i'm curious about how Memokeepers view and intereact with followers of MYTHUS, the ENIGMATA : it seems they are fundamentally enemies. And maybe that's why Black Swan wants us on Amphoreus : if the Enigmata is one of the three Path involved on Amphoreus, maybe the Garden of Recollection wants us to do their "dirtry work" for them, and elimnate the Enigmata from the planet ?
If it was remembrance, erudition and enigmata.. Imagine remembrance trying to record everything but enigmata is just changing shit and erudition is just trying to explain what the actual case is to remembrance but each time they update their files the enigmata comes in and changes things again and it goes round and roung like this 😂
@@Maevix3142 i have the feeling Remembrance is not YET on Amphoreus, but rather wants to become its "player 4". If that's right, we could have a "Fatal4-Way" between Enigmata, Erudition, Remembrance... and ELATION (Aha is always involved somehow). Just imagine the chaos....
What if the frog is Reca. In fact every animal in the story is actually the main characters.. Elio the cat, Owlbert the own, reca the frog, primitive the monkey and the most diabolical of them all Peppy... On a more serious note, I could definitely see Reca being a summon type character given 3.0 is set to have a lot of those types
There should be a *New Term* for people that got gifted by an Aeon. Because unlike Emanators that can draw out power driectly from an Aeon, these people got gifted by an Aeon that made them special from normal Pathstriders. *These people/creatures are:* • Memokeepers • Fu Xuan • Long's decendant • Denizen of Abundance • Trailblazer • Swarm • Jing Yuan And many more And there's a case where Emanators gave gifts to normal people too, such as: • 10 Stone Hearts • Amphoreus 13 heroes (probably)
@Maevix3142 lore wise, perhaps no one has decided the term for these special cases. It'll be funny if MC got their erudition path because they decided to invent a new term for these new concept and got a noble from Genius Society for no reason lol.
My current belief is that remembrance, Enigmata and Erudition are the 3 paths dead locking amphorous, specifically we know Erudition is involved(knowledge through calculations), Remebrance is bringing us their(Knowledge through Recording), and My guess is enigmata to continue the pattern(Destruction of knowledge but theoretically by knowing everything that isnt true the truth the truth can theoretically be derived
I wonder if Welt wasn't simply misinformed about Memokeepers being outright Emanators. Sure they are powerful and hold influence, but when you look at the sheer gravitas of outright confirmed Emanators like Diamond, Herta and Acheron, they seem a bit.. less impressive? Also we have so far been introduced to like three of them with relatively little fanfare, one of them even presenting as a faceless npc. Counting then as Emenators makes the whole thing feel less exclusive and special. Plus didn't they mention they needed an Emenator to deal with Ena's dream, yet Black Swan was never brought in as an option. Given how big of a deal people have made out of others being Emenators, it is weird that so far this just hasn't been brought up with BS or Mr. Reca. I suppose we will have to wait and see if this is ever adressed in the future.
Honestly I wont be surprised if this gets retconned or something but perhaps the memokeepers are a varied group with some having crazy powers and others just being like black swan
Another point about Mr Reca being a cremator, at the end of 2.6 story he erased memories of the banana story in most of their minds. He decided that story was done and unimportant for anyone except those that he needed to remember it like the trailblazers and the galaxy rangers.
Maybe it’s cause I’ve been with Genshin lore longer. Tbh I find the opposite. The lore in Genshin is more grounded and personal than the epic space opera of Star Rail(which is still good btw) but it makes for a story that touches my heart a little more
HSR story is far grander and all-encompassing but Genshin lore is more focused on one world rather than the whole universe, which allows them to flesh out each individual aspect of the world in way more depth than star rail does. honestly it's hard to even compare lore of those two games because their goals are completely different, one uses worlds as tools to tell a larger story about the entire universe while the other hyperfocuses on only one world. if i would compare Genshin lore to any other Hoyo games it would be more fitting to compare it to Hi3rd or ZZZ as they also tell a hyperfocused story on one world.
@@jessedaniels4494 While I think HSR's lore is more interesting/creative than Genshin's, Genshin's storytelling is a lot more personal. Traveler is more of a character than Trailblazer for sure at this point, and accordingly has a lot more intimate connections with characters from each place. I am more attached to Welt/Himeko/March than I am any individual story on Penacony/Jarilo-VI/Xianzhou, but in Genshin I care a lot about all the archons and several important characters per area. It's a different kind of storytelling. But I do think the like, philosophy/ideals fighting via Aeons/Emanators is more interesting and multifaceted than the very very slow burn of Brother-Sister, Archons stole their powers, etc. Penacony was a huge jump in quality from Jarilo/Xianzhou though, so here's hoping it gets even better. It had a better start than Genshin's story but that also had a massive leap in quality from Inazuma or arguably Sumeru and on.
I feel star rails story is kind of larger scale in the sense that the world/universe itself evolves regardless of what the main characters are doing while in genshin the story follows the traveller and only progresses in their vicinity. But to be fair I havent really continued with genshin since 5.1 so I might be a bit biased at this point. Star rail just reminds me a bit of one piece, theres stuff going on all over the place even if the MC isnt there. Both are good just depends what you prefer i suppose
@@Maevix3142 you haven't continued Genshin since 5.1? you are saying this as if 5.1 wasn't 1 patch ago. so maybe you mean 4.1? because if not then i am confused as to why you are bringing up this point kek
The despise people have for the IPC, I despise the Garden of Recollection. Albeit most of that is for the cremators. What interests me is what would be the antithesis of the Remembrance? Is it Destruction? Or maybe Enigmata?
I’ve thought about this, and came to the conclusion that “preserving” memories is the power of Remembrance that is most praised, but it isn’t the core power of Remembrance. Cremators show us that Remembrance can destroy memories. Memosnatchers use Remembrance to steal memories. Memokeepers use Remembrance to record memories. In Penacony, we see Black Swan completely steal the memories from Sparkle and Sampo, like a Memosnatcher. Interestingly enough, she also said that if she had enough time, she could convince the Family that she herself was Xipe the Harmony THEMSELVES, so the Remembrance can also create memories. In fact, we have an entry about Fuli saying that everyone REMEMBERS this Aeon always existing since forever, this detail was rather emphasized upon, suggesting that their memory was tampered with, the Aeon of Remembrance fabricated memory on a universal scale. Let’s keep in mind that the Garden of Recollection executes Cremators, but since Cremators are memetic entities as well, the Garden of Recollection has to use the Path of Remembrance to destroy the Cremators for using the Path of Remembrance to destroy memories. A rather ironic situation. So, it’s much more accurate to say, that the Path of Remembrance has the power to MANIPULATE memories. Preserving these Memories is just simply the most praised form of memory manipulation. So, the Antithesis to Remembrance would be the incapability to Manipulate Memory. Although Nihility nullifies other Paths, this is more of a repellent towards every Path rather than a specific opposition of Remembrance. (It’s like a Hand Sanitizer that tells everyone it destroys 99.99% of germs) The Enigmata has always been advertised as the antithesis to Erudition, and in all fairness … Enigmata having so many connections with Remembrance makes so much sense since the Enigmata also seems capable of Manipulating Memory to cause obstacles against every form of Erudition. (Perhaps that Entry that says Enigmata was born from Remembrance was another way of telling us that Enigmata is simply just a Path that separated from Remembrance?) The Destruction would definitely do its job of destroying everything which should include memory as well, but the destruction of memory is just simply one form of Manipulation of memory. However the Destruction isn’t the Path of Memory Manipulation, so these destroyed memories can be restored by Remembrance, the Destruction is more like a cosmic annoyance for the Remembrance. Plus, the Destruction is the main antagonist to everything, not just Remembrance. With all of these Paths being eliminated, we should look closer at Paths that can potentially disable this level of manipulation … this might be the Path of Remembrance itself? Disabling the Capability of Manipulating Memory is considered a form of Manipulation itself, right? The Path of Finality might also be a slight contender, but only because it would possess Memories of the Future, Memories that have yet to occur, so since these Memories don’t exist YET, the Remembrance just simply cannot Manipulate the nonexistent Memories. Nonexistent to the point that it has promise to soon exist, not Nonexistent to the point that it’s existence has been revoked.
@@TinkRomeroI'm spitballing here, but... The Beauty maybe? As a path, it seems to find value (beauty) in observing everything that exist in the present. Memories are fundamentally things of the past. I really don't know though.
@ as someone who is extremely intrigued by The Beauty, I love it being a potential antithesis to The Remembrance. From what I can personally assume about The Beauty’s prowess … it’s the Manipulation of Reality based off of your Mentality. Subconscious Reality Bending. So, theoretically … if someone who follows The Beauty was to find Beauty in a literal memory, then that Memory will stay fixed in place, and probably cannot be altered by any of the other Paths? (This might depend on the individual’s subconscious willpower and other such variables?) So, following this theoretical assumption of mine … The Beauty can, under very strict requirements, protect a Memory from the Manipulation if it takes form of altering the Memory. So theoretically, as long as someone doesn’t try to alter the Memory, then they can do whatever else to it, like Record the Memory. Unless the individual finds the Memory to be of The Beauty due to its complete unique existence and therefore shouldn’t ever be Manipulated to ANY degree whatsoever, harmful, or beneficial. Of course this is extremely theoretical, based off of the very little we’re told about The Beauty. Of course, I don’t think the assumption I’ve made about the core power of The Beauty will change, but the extent of its capabilities may be shown at a later point that could completely debunk my theoretical assumption about its near omnipotent capabilities. Now, even if this is how The Beauty would actually work, I still don’t think it’s count as an Antitheses to Remembrance. The Beauty may prove to be a consistent hinderance, but the complete extent of the requirements allowed tells us that The Beauty can consequently bother The Remembrance, but it isn’t a Path designed to be the complete opposite of The Remembrance, otherwise it’s prowess would naturally be an obstacle against The Remembrance at every step of the way. It’s more of a Physical form of Reality Bending, rather than a Non-Physical form of Reality Bending. It’s possible that The Beauty has absolutely no domain of power over or anywhere near the subject of Memories. The Beauty’s biggest enemy is The Beauty itself, where one must constantly appreciate The Beauty before them otherwise The Beauty will reconstruct the Reality around them until the individual can perceive it to be Beauty. The Beauty is it’s own Antithesis as well as it’s own Thesis. (Perhaps, every Path is flexible enough to be its own Thesis and Antithesis? Every Path simply has the capability of interacting with other Paths to their own unique circumstances, but rarely if ever to the exact opposition of that Path. Even The Elation accepts Tragedy, and that’s why we have a Faction of Elation who is entirely against The Elation.)
Ashikai made a video on the duality of Aeons, and matched Remembrance with Preservation. Conservation of the intangible vs conversation of the tangible.
@ oh, I almost forgot about that. The Claretwheel Temple, a Faction of Equilibrium, does state that they feel that for every Aeon, there will come a new Aeon to counter. I still think that Paths can poison themselves to a certain degree, the fact that there is some force creating Aeons to counter each other also exists. Since Ashikai already made a video discussing her theory that Permanence counters Remembrance, I’ll just agree along with her since she’s very insightful about these topics. So … yeah there is a slight inaccuracy in your comment, Ashikai pairs Remembrance with Permanence, not with Preservation.
I want Mr. Reca to do something big in the story 😭
You mean like... direct it?
i'm curious about how Memokeepers view and intereact with followers of MYTHUS, the ENIGMATA : it seems they are fundamentally enemies.
And maybe that's why Black Swan wants us on Amphoreus : if the Enigmata is one of the three Path involved on Amphoreus, maybe the Garden of Recollection wants us to do their "dirtry work" for them, and elimnate the Enigmata from the planet ?
I have a feeling the deadlock is Remeberance, Erudition (this one is confirmed), and Enigmata, honestly sounds super interesting
If it was remembrance, erudition and enigmata.. Imagine remembrance trying to record everything but enigmata is just changing shit and erudition is just trying to explain what the actual case is to remembrance but each time they update their files the enigmata comes in and changes things again and it goes round and roung like this 😂
@@Maevix3142 i have the feeling Remembrance is not YET on Amphoreus, but rather wants to become its "player 4".
If that's right, we could have a "Fatal4-Way" between Enigmata, Erudition, Remembrance... and ELATION (Aha is always involved somehow). Just imagine the chaos....
@@sammy5480 That chaos would be so much fun
It would be cool if Mr.reca is playable and his frog assistant be a summon
What if the frog is Reca. In fact every animal in the story is actually the main characters.. Elio the cat, Owlbert the own, reca the frog, primitive the monkey and the most diabolical of them all Peppy...
On a more serious note, I could definitely see Reca being a summon type character given 3.0 is set to have a lot of those types
There should be a *New Term* for people that got gifted by an Aeon. Because unlike Emanators that can draw out power driectly from an Aeon, these people got gifted by an Aeon that made them special from normal Pathstriders.
*These people/creatures are:*
• Memokeepers
• Fu Xuan
• Long's decendant
• Denizen of Abundance
• Trailblazer
• Swarm
• Jing Yuan
And many more
And there's a case where Emanators gave gifts to normal people too, such as:
• 10 Stone Hearts
• Amphoreus 13 heroes (probably)
I think once we get more factions and emanators giving out their powers there will eventually be a term for it just to avoid the confusion 😂
@Maevix3142 lore wise, perhaps no one has decided the term for these special cases. It'll be funny if MC got their erudition path because they decided to invent a new term for these new concept and got a noble from Genius Society for no reason lol.
My current belief is that remembrance, Enigmata and Erudition are the 3 paths dead locking amphorous, specifically we know Erudition is involved(knowledge through calculations), Remebrance is bringing us their(Knowledge through Recording), and My guess is enigmata to continue the pattern(Destruction of knowledge but theoretically by knowing everything that isnt true the truth the truth can theoretically be derived
I wonder if Welt wasn't simply misinformed about Memokeepers being outright Emanators. Sure they are powerful and hold influence, but when you look at the sheer gravitas of outright confirmed Emanators like Diamond, Herta and Acheron, they seem a bit.. less impressive? Also we have so far been introduced to like three of them with relatively little fanfare, one of them even presenting as a faceless npc.
Counting then as Emenators makes the whole thing feel less exclusive and special.
Plus didn't they mention they needed an Emenator to deal with Ena's dream, yet Black Swan was never brought in as an option.
Given how big of a deal people have made out of others being Emenators, it is weird that so far this just hasn't been brought up with BS or Mr. Reca.
I suppose we will have to wait and see if this is ever adressed in the future.
Honestly I wont be surprised if this gets retconned or something but perhaps the memokeepers are a varied group with some having crazy powers and others just being like black swan
Mr Reca is definitely a cremator.
That is the current prevaling theory
Another point about Mr Reca being a cremator, at the end of 2.6 story he erased memories of the banana story in most of their minds. He decided that story was done and unimportant for anyone except those that he needed to remember it like the trailblazers and the galaxy rangers.
TBH I find HSR lore much much more creative and intriguing than Genshin lore
Maybe it’s cause I’ve been with Genshin lore longer. Tbh I find the opposite. The lore in Genshin is more grounded and personal than the epic space opera of Star Rail(which is still good btw) but it makes for a story that touches my heart a little more
HSR story is far grander and all-encompassing but Genshin lore is more focused on one world rather than the whole universe, which allows them to flesh out each individual aspect of the world in way more depth than star rail does.
honestly it's hard to even compare lore of those two games because their goals are completely different, one uses worlds as tools to tell a larger story about the entire universe while the other hyperfocuses on only one world.
if i would compare Genshin lore to any other Hoyo games it would be more fitting to compare it to Hi3rd or ZZZ as they also tell a hyperfocused story on one world.
@@jessedaniels4494 While I think HSR's lore is more interesting/creative than Genshin's, Genshin's storytelling is a lot more personal. Traveler is more of a character than Trailblazer for sure at this point, and accordingly has a lot more intimate connections with characters from each place. I am more attached to Welt/Himeko/March than I am any individual story on Penacony/Jarilo-VI/Xianzhou, but in Genshin I care a lot about all the archons and several important characters per area.
It's a different kind of storytelling. But I do think the like, philosophy/ideals fighting via Aeons/Emanators is more interesting and multifaceted than the very very slow burn of Brother-Sister, Archons stole their powers, etc.
Penacony was a huge jump in quality from Jarilo/Xianzhou though, so here's hoping it gets even better. It had a better start than Genshin's story but that also had a massive leap in quality from Inazuma or arguably Sumeru and on.
I feel star rails story is kind of larger scale in the sense that the world/universe itself evolves regardless of what the main characters are doing while in genshin the story follows the traveller and only progresses in their vicinity. But to be fair I havent really continued with genshin since 5.1 so I might be a bit biased at this point. Star rail just reminds me a bit of one piece, theres stuff going on all over the place even if the MC isnt there. Both are good just depends what you prefer i suppose
@@Maevix3142 you haven't continued Genshin since 5.1? you are saying this as if 5.1 wasn't 1 patch ago.
so maybe you mean 4.1? because if not then i am confused as to why you are bringing up this point kek
Blade rerun chances slowly increasing I can feel it
The despise people have for the IPC, I despise the Garden of Recollection. Albeit most of that is for the cremators. What interests me is what would be the antithesis of the Remembrance? Is it Destruction? Or maybe Enigmata?
I’ve thought about this, and came to the conclusion that “preserving” memories is the power of Remembrance that is most praised, but it isn’t the core power of Remembrance.
Cremators show us that Remembrance can destroy memories.
Memosnatchers use Remembrance to steal memories.
Memokeepers use Remembrance to record memories.
In Penacony, we see Black Swan completely steal the memories from Sparkle and Sampo, like a Memosnatcher. Interestingly enough, she also said that if she had enough time, she could convince the Family that she herself was Xipe the Harmony THEMSELVES, so the Remembrance can also create memories.
In fact, we have an entry about Fuli saying that everyone REMEMBERS this Aeon always existing since forever, this detail was rather emphasized upon, suggesting that their memory was tampered with, the Aeon of Remembrance fabricated memory on a universal scale.
Let’s keep in mind that the Garden of Recollection executes Cremators, but since Cremators are memetic entities as well, the Garden of Recollection has to use the Path of Remembrance to destroy the Cremators for using the Path of Remembrance to destroy memories. A rather ironic situation.
So, it’s much more accurate to say, that the Path of Remembrance has the power to MANIPULATE memories. Preserving these Memories is just simply the most praised form of memory manipulation.
So, the Antithesis to Remembrance would be the incapability to Manipulate Memory.
Although Nihility nullifies other Paths, this is more of a repellent towards every Path rather than a specific opposition of Remembrance. (It’s like a Hand Sanitizer that tells everyone it destroys 99.99% of germs)
The Enigmata has always been advertised as the antithesis to Erudition, and in all fairness … Enigmata having so many connections with Remembrance makes so much sense since the Enigmata also seems capable of Manipulating Memory to cause obstacles against every form of Erudition. (Perhaps that Entry that says Enigmata was born from Remembrance was another way of telling us that Enigmata is simply just a Path that separated from Remembrance?)
The Destruction would definitely do its job of destroying everything which should include memory as well, but the destruction of memory is just simply one form of Manipulation of memory. However the Destruction isn’t the Path of Memory Manipulation, so these destroyed memories can be restored by Remembrance, the Destruction is more like a cosmic annoyance for the Remembrance. Plus, the Destruction is the main antagonist to everything, not just Remembrance.
With all of these Paths being eliminated, we should look closer at Paths that can potentially disable this level of manipulation … this might be the Path of Remembrance itself? Disabling the Capability of Manipulating Memory is considered a form of Manipulation itself, right?
The Path of Finality might also be a slight contender, but only because it would possess Memories of the Future, Memories that have yet to occur, so since these Memories don’t exist YET, the Remembrance just simply cannot Manipulate the nonexistent Memories. Nonexistent to the point that it has promise to soon exist, not Nonexistent to the point that it’s existence has been revoked.
@@TinkRomeroI'm spitballing here, but...
The Beauty maybe? As a path, it seems to find value (beauty) in observing everything that exist in the present. Memories are fundamentally things of the past.
I really don't know though.
@ as someone who is extremely intrigued by The Beauty, I love it being a potential antithesis to The Remembrance.
From what I can personally assume about The Beauty’s prowess … it’s the Manipulation of Reality based off of your Mentality. Subconscious Reality Bending.
So, theoretically … if someone who follows The Beauty was to find Beauty in a literal memory, then that Memory will stay fixed in place, and probably cannot be altered by any of the other Paths? (This might depend on the individual’s subconscious willpower and other such variables?)
So, following this theoretical assumption of mine … The Beauty can, under very strict requirements, protect a Memory from the Manipulation if it takes form of altering the Memory. So theoretically, as long as someone doesn’t try to alter the Memory, then they can do whatever else to it, like Record the Memory. Unless the individual finds the Memory to be of The Beauty due to its complete unique existence and therefore shouldn’t ever be Manipulated to ANY degree whatsoever, harmful, or beneficial.
Of course this is extremely theoretical, based off of the very little we’re told about The Beauty. Of course, I don’t think the assumption I’ve made about the core power of The Beauty will change, but the extent of its capabilities may be shown at a later point that could completely debunk my theoretical assumption about its near omnipotent capabilities.
Now, even if this is how The Beauty would actually work, I still don’t think it’s count as an Antitheses to Remembrance. The Beauty may prove to be a consistent hinderance, but the complete extent of the requirements allowed tells us that The Beauty can consequently bother The Remembrance, but it isn’t a Path designed to be the complete opposite of The Remembrance, otherwise it’s prowess would naturally be an obstacle against The Remembrance at every step of the way. It’s more of a Physical form of Reality Bending, rather than a Non-Physical form of Reality Bending.
It’s possible that The Beauty has absolutely no domain of power over or anywhere near the subject of Memories. The Beauty’s biggest enemy is The Beauty itself, where one must constantly appreciate The Beauty before them otherwise The Beauty will reconstruct the Reality around them until the individual can perceive it to be Beauty. The Beauty is it’s own Antithesis as well as it’s own Thesis. (Perhaps, every Path is flexible enough to be its own Thesis and Antithesis? Every Path simply has the capability of interacting with other Paths to their own unique circumstances, but rarely if ever to the exact opposition of that Path. Even The Elation accepts Tragedy, and that’s why we have a Faction of Elation who is entirely against The Elation.)
Ashikai made a video on the duality of Aeons, and matched Remembrance with Preservation. Conservation of the intangible vs conversation of the tangible.
@ oh, I almost forgot about that. The Claretwheel Temple, a Faction of Equilibrium, does state that they feel that for every Aeon, there will come a new Aeon to counter.
I still think that Paths can poison themselves to a certain degree, the fact that there is some force creating Aeons to counter each other also exists.
Since Ashikai already made a video discussing her theory that Permanence counters Remembrance, I’ll just agree along with her since she’s very insightful about these topics.
So … yeah there is a slight inaccuracy in your comment, Ashikai pairs Remembrance with Permanence, not with Preservation.
The chef has cooked once again
This 3.0 update less feel like greek/roman more feel like Troy
why Dehya though?
Because fire.. cremator.. look i couldnt find any nice fire looking pics and dehya is pretty cool 😂
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