Ray Kurzweil: Singularity, Superintelligence, and Immortality | Lex Fridman Podcast

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    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Introduction
    1:06 - Turing test
    14:51 - Brain-computer interfaces
    26:31 - Singularity
    32:51 - Virtual reality
    35:31 - Evolution of information processing
    41:57 - Automation
    51:57 - Nanotechnology
    53:51 - Nuclear war
    55:57 - Uploading minds
    1:03:38 - How to think
    1:10:08 - Digital afterlife
    1:19:28 - Intelligent alien life
    1:22:18 - Simulation hypothesis
    1:26:31 - Mortality
    1:34:10 - Meaning of life
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  • @lexfridman
    @lexfridman  ปีที่แล้ว +317

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    1:06 - Turing test
    14:51 - Brain-computer interfaces
    26:31 - Singularity
    32:51 - Virtual reality
    35:31 - Evolution of information processing
    41:57 - Automation
    51:57 - Nanotechnology
    53:51 - Nuclear war
    55:57 - Uploading minds
    1:03:38 - How to think
    1:10:08 - Digital afterlife
    1:19:28 - Intelligent alien life
    1:22:18 - Simulation hypothesis
    1:26:31 - Mortality
    1:34:10 - Meaning of life

    • @pubgod4203
      @pubgod4203 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you very much Lex 🙏

    • @solvingpolitics3172
      @solvingpolitics3172 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you for your channel & guide.

    • @QAAAA1212
      @QAAAA1212 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks, Lex, for this wonderful weekend treat! ❤

    • @AlchemicalForge91
      @AlchemicalForge91 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      is that a wig?

    • @cheyennealvis8284
      @cheyennealvis8284 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He looks like like a dude who owns a plane that Jeffrey Epstein flew on. And then he molested Jeffrey Epstein.

  • @lookaze
    @lookaze ปีที่แล้ว +539

    I love that the episode number is #321, like a countdown to the singularity.

    • @TheArmenShow
      @TheArmenShow ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That's a good one there - the time frame showcasing its presence.

    • @MethodOverRide
      @MethodOverRide ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It's very satisfying 😌

    • @eyesofchild
      @eyesofchild ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The synchronicity of singularity 😊… as it comes, we should see TONS more of these.

    • @perfectfutures
      @perfectfutures ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting touch. I wonder what it will feel like when it hits. Perhaps it will literally 'blow our minds', a phrase that seems to originate in the cultural milieu of those bringing this to fruition.

    • @CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger
      @CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😝!

  • @Satanica
    @Satanica ปีที่แล้ว +443

    This is the first time I hear you, Lex, and you are an impressive, thoughtful and educated foil for Ray Kurzweil, whom I have followed for decades. You are both respectfully reserved in your questions to Ray and his ideas, while pushing against sensitive barriers we humans naturally have - bravo on that balance. While I have totally lost respect for most main stream journalists and media, I am thrilled to see a glimmer of non-sensational, non politicized integrity here. Please keep up this level of integrity, to do otherwise diminishes us all. Thank you so much for this work.

    • @hugodiazroa
      @hugodiazroa ปีที่แล้ว +12

      666

    • @rickevans7941
      @rickevans7941 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well said!!

    • @CryptoIncursion
      @CryptoIncursion ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Long time follower of Ray Kurzweil myself. I always imagined it (tech singularity) but listening to him talk in this interview with Lex brings it to life on a whole new level. Like listening gave me the strongest mixed feeling of fear, awe, & wonder, like we will be living this soon. So surreal.

    • @Aelawen
      @Aelawen ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’m pretty sure Lex is not human and he is making it apparent by fucking with this dude Ray amongst many others.

    • @Aelawen
      @Aelawen ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why doesn’t Lex “freed” “man” ever appear sitting next to any other human being? Is he perhaps the software we are expecting to consider hardware that possesses the capability to complete the Turing test? This interviewer has a subject that is clearly motivated by his fear of death. How would Lex react to a subject that has no fear of death or no subjective experience of time that relates to the collective who are excited by fear before they actually experience it. Upon hearing that they should be afraid they are. Without question. Lex, I am not any of those people. I am Not people. Death is nothing. Life is death. If this dude was able to become immortal which is what he is ultimately after, how would it play out if we took the view of a futurist? Conquers planets and their resources while murdering billions and trillions of lives here in what we know as earth. Total control of the earth and its ultimate power source, the sun, moves on to control the power of several suns. Several galaxies, several universes. They will never escape the inescapable fact that those who seek power are the least deserving of wielding it.

  • @johnnyringo3254
    @johnnyringo3254 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    When Singularity is Near came out in 2005 (and for many years later), Ray's ideas seemed fringe, if not absurd to most people, including computer scientists. I always admired his optimism though and wished that his predictions were fulfilled. Now, with the phenomenal advances in AI, the more advanced it gets, the more respected is Ray, because he was right from the beginning. It seems that now not so many people are ready to laugh off Ray's predictions... Glad to see he's getting the credit he deserves.

    • @mikegamerguy4776
      @mikegamerguy4776 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It's going so fast now. I have my jaw dropped every few months. I didn't discount the man back then. I hoped against all hope, and still do. I want him to be right. I mean, i watch company reps testifying before congress on how AI needs to be regulated just the other day.

    • @Okijuben
      @Okijuben 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@mikegamerguy4776 That congressional hearing was profound in the sense that you rarely see such companies asking for more oversight. We truly are living in an incredible period of history.

    • @wwlittlejOfficial
      @wwlittlejOfficial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I read that book in 2005, been preaching it ever since. Laughed at by my circles, and now... 2023 the year in which AI became mainstream. Kurzweil was no joke. dude was so on top of things.

    • @azhuransmx126
      @azhuransmx126 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @wwlittlejOfficial i read his amazing book too in 2007, I believed him completely, but I knew humans were not even aware or prepared for this, so i decided to keep silent all these years. Still, in 2023, technology "coaches and gurus" think they will control the future AGI and ASI upcoming just like another tool 😙🫠 ohh honey they are so sweet and innocent🤭 but they are needed to calm down people because Singularity gonna be a really Intense event.

    • @Edward-xh8zu
      @Edward-xh8zu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too late

  • @roundedges2
    @roundedges2 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    This guy was my cutting edge expert for a masters computer college paper on voice recognition over 30 years ago--and here he is STILL doing this stuff.

    • @silentb2084
      @silentb2084 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      His predictions have been pretty spot on, right?

    • @krox477
      @krox477 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here we are..

    • @johnworthington4556
      @johnworthington4556 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I studied his writing as well... I loved his take on things! I won an award for my writing but I just continued was he was writing about in my own take...

    • @cyberbiosecurity
      @cyberbiosecurity 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😮

    • @mato_fato_ma-ah-fala-falafel
      @mato_fato_ma-ah-fala-falafel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He just got ate up in the comments on the Joe Rogan podcast.

  • @Leshpngo
    @Leshpngo ปีที่แล้ว +664

    For the longest time I wanted this conversation, wondering if Ray would come back from his silence with this podcast…and he did. Can’t wait to listen!!!

    • @prithvirajgawande6150
      @prithvirajgawande6150 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Same here bro!

    • @taylorc2542
      @taylorc2542 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have it so good right now, let's not open Pandoras box. I'm not worried about T:2 style attack on humanity, I'm worried about an elite group of humans using AI to enslave a swaths of people in a Matrix of hedonism.

    • @adollarfifty314
      @adollarfifty314 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Once they start talking about the singularity it starts popping off.

    • @ClayMann
      @ClayMann ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Absolutely, it was along with John Carmack one of those dream shows I've wanted. I've followed Ray all my adult life. Almost every year when I was younger I'd check back in with him. His talks would be relatively the same really but I loved every new insight each talk he gave provided. He went dark in recent years which makes this talk really quite special. I can't wait to read his new book.

    • @Brisius
      @Brisius ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This soooo fire!!! I'm excited as well

  • @leoniebachmann2677
    @leoniebachmann2677 ปีที่แล้ว +484

    Ray Kurzweil on a podcast - wow, only Lex can do it. Thanks so much for your great work, Lex.

    • @ClayMann
      @ClayMann ปีที่แล้ว +14

      he used to give a lot of talks to really small fry media people. I remember one podcast he was on and it only got a few hundred views. That was a long time ago though.

    • @tabularasa968
      @tabularasa968 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Lex!

    • @ogarcia91
      @ogarcia91 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He was also on StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson

    • @Maxatrillion08
      @Maxatrillion08 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just wish lex would ask him if AI can be racist. From the many videos I've watch of Lex , this was the first time I heard him speak on the concern of AI and the merging of AI tech with biology only being available to the rich. This essentially creating a bigger gap between classes. Poor Vs rich/ human Vs cyborg human. I would like to hear Lex address if machines could be racist and if there is a way to make machines in all their true superiority, Superior in radical empathy and racial acceptance.

    • @ClayMann
      @ClayMann ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Maxatrillion08 I don't know if you've been following along over the years with A.I but A.I not only can be racist but it has a history of being extremely racist. The problem is when you sample from society to make a large language model, its going to sample the racism too and include that in its replies. Recently this has been addressed but the solutions as of right now are weak and cause their own problems. Like if you ask a text to image A.I diffuser to make a picture of a civil war from some period it will include mixed races in that while it might be true that only whites were in that or vice versa. The A.I doesn't have the smarts to understand that diversity isn't always what you need but its being forced into A.I systems. I think they'll get better at this and as the language models understand what their actually saying more and more, they'll monitor themselves for this. Aside from that, the idea that only the rich will have this. This has been proven through history to be completely untrue. As they say in the podcast, the first of a new technology only the rich can afford but its usually pretty shitty at that point. As it improves and scales up, it works better until we can all afford it and it works great. All technology scales up eventually and its price drops as it scales. If you're very poor you might lose out as is the case today. But anyone with even a low income today has all the technology as a rich person has. phones/computers/a tablet maybe. big screen tv and so on. These are common and cheap. A.I assistants and upgrades to humans, these will be so very cheap everyone will have them.

  • @Johnnynyny
    @Johnnynyny ปีที่แล้ว +159

    So lovely Ray how you've honored and preserved the memory of your dad. Serendipity while I was listening to the podcast, my 85 yr old father walked by and stopped to ask me what and who I was listening to. When I told him Ray Kurzweil, he shared his fond memories of visiting your father (his college music professor) on Hartland Ave in Queens Village while you were a small boy... Thanks for the episode!

    • @dragonsmith9462
      @dragonsmith9462 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    • @MacBookForMe
      @MacBookForMe ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What an amazing story! Thank you very much for sharing it with us here! ❤

    • @VladikVP
      @VladikVP ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Huh. Small world, as they say.

    • @donaldfox6323
      @donaldfox6323 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Ela Lamblin
      Your a Bot
      🤖🤖🤖

    • @annemarietobias
      @annemarietobias ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dumballover123
      You already have massive pipes into your brain, the spinal chord, the optic and auditory nerves, and olfactory system. these pump trillions of bits of data into and out of your brain, which filters this tidal wave of data for useful information about the world you live in, and we call this your senses.
      Connecting your brain directly to a source of pure information, to access all of human knowledge at light speed... To be able to connect to another human being, and share thoughts, feelings, life experiences as though they were your own... To record the lives of our best, brightest, most beloved, most decent, and have access to those lives, their experiences and formative thoughts, their epiphanies, and enlightenment. Would that not be the exaltation of being human? Would that not be heaven on earth.
      The punishment for a crime, would be to have the perpetrator experience his act as the victim. How long before crime vanished from the world, and world of infinite empathy?
      Human beings are going to evolve... are at this very moment evolving. a third of children born today have no wisdom teeth. That is evolution at work. We now have our hands on the wheel of evolution itself and can choose what being we become. We can transcend our worst aspects and bring to full fruit the angels of our better selves transcendent and blazing with the grace of our unbridled compassion and dignity.
      Every shift in human technology has changed us. Its time to choose how we will change. What we will choose to become. There have always been Luddites, afraid of change. I'm certain the was a hairy man bellowing that being human meant to live in the dirt, in the cave, by the fire, and the crazy idea of living out in the wild places in the unprotected open was against civilized human existence. They too were wrong.
      By all means, be cautious, demand people proceed with care and consideration. But stop and consider what it is to be human, what is most important. How do we grow and develop our kind to become everything we might become. And support that.

  • @DoctorSlothMD
    @DoctorSlothMD ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Kurzweil's track record and optimism is inspiring - solve 1% of a problem and progress becomes exponential

    • @ArmaGeddon-iu1vv
      @ArmaGeddon-iu1vv 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thats not how life works for regular people, maybe for the ones with selective perception-

  • @TheListeningParty_TLP
    @TheListeningParty_TLP ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Lex, this is the best your podcast has looked and sounded. Beautiful image quality and lighting.

    • @JacobBrunsonBurner
      @JacobBrunsonBurner ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agree. Lex looks noticeably more like a human and less like a robot now! (only kidding)

    • @relativeus
      @relativeus ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It really is noticeably improved and looks & sounds fantastic.

    • @CognizantApe
      @CognizantApe ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree! Awesome production Lex. 🤘🤘🤘

    • @jesuisrobert808
      @jesuisrobert808 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's all animation

    • @perfectfutures
      @perfectfutures ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes the sound has improved a lot and the faces are clearer. Perhaps it's easier to simulate replicants than film old-style people?

  • @Adam13Chalmers
    @Adam13Chalmers ปีที่แล้ว +155

    Lex, you are the goat of week-to-week, even day-to-day, epic guest bookings! Most remarkable, also, is the way you, comfortably, intelligently, respectfully, and even playfully, engage with each guest. Keep it up brother!

  • @azhuransmx126
    @azhuransmx126 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    In 80s and 90s, "the experts" called him mad.
    In 2000s they called him eccentric.
    Now in 2023 they are listening and taking notes of his mathematical predictions based on the exponential. I hope he can survive to watch his Singularity💪👊
    Or maybe Ray has already come from the future, sounds legit for me haha.

    • @urveabak2025
      @urveabak2025 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No one can predict the future and whoever says something specific about the future is a liar

    • @azhuransmx126
      @azhuransmx126 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @urveabak2025 of course, you can not, but other people have the necessary tools to do it very, Very well.

  • @sm0ki
    @sm0ki ปีที่แล้ว +76

    I hope Ray can make it to the Singularity. What a great mind.

    • @droneliveUK
      @droneliveUK หลายเดือนก่อน

      The singularity. lol..... are we all falling for that .... The Great Hope. I would bet on the bow and arrow for survival over that AI bollox. Nice one mate !

    • @droneliveUK
      @droneliveUK หลายเดือนก่อน

      It just means there will be one place for all your misinformation ! Yippy. Take care bro.

  • @PhillipHilton
    @PhillipHilton ปีที่แล้ว +76

    It became very evident to me listening to Ray speak that a lot of his motivation and interest in the Singularity seems to be driven not by a fear of mortality but by personal loss. He hopes to manifest a future that will save others from that pain and suffering by restoring or preserving some form those loved ones. A noble motivation indeed.

    • @trippytradingcards7852
      @trippytradingcards7852 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      May be a noble attempt but not a noble act. I feel bad for his lack of faith

    • @MikeJones-wo7vm
      @MikeJones-wo7vm ปีที่แล้ว

      This guy is far from noble. Dig deeper, there’s a nefarious agenda this guy is pushing.

    • @PhillipHilton
      @PhillipHilton ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MikeJones-wo7vm care to go into some detail there?

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@trippytradingcards7852 lmao

    • @treebeard7298
      @treebeard7298 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trippytradingcards7852 I for one will celebrate victory over death from age and assumedly most if not all diseases.

  • @denzilstudios7072
    @denzilstudios7072 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ray Kurzweil is one of the best visionaries & futurologists of our time. He even founded Kurzweil Music Systems together with Stevie Wonder & built one of the first digital synthesizers in the 80's.

  • @nathanphillips3104
    @nathanphillips3104 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    @lexfridman your interview style shows so much respect and care for your guest work and life. WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN THIS WORLD! we appreciate you brother!--- np

  • @ianhud12
    @ianhud12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mr. Kurzweil is a great and noble optimist who can rarely be found among us downer physicalists.

  • @Larry321ness
    @Larry321ness ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Finally... Ray got stuck giving the same talk in every video. Now he has someone intelligent asking him real, dynamic questions so I get to hear new things.

    • @Larry321ness
      @Larry321ness ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@amoeba8888 disagree with you on this one, there is lots of new info here

    • @nonfictionone
      @nonfictionone ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve had that ‘let’s talk’ thing. I didn’t take it up - why are they trying to hook up via WhatsApp does anyone know?

    • @Larry321ness
      @Larry321ness ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nonfictionone those are bots or scam centers (probably Indian or Russian) trying to get you into an encrypted chat where they can try to take your money. Ignore those.

    • @nonfictionone
      @nonfictionone ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Larry321ness Thanks very much

    • @vejay369
      @vejay369 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's nothing intelligent about Ray Kurzweil, he is just the average trans-humanist materialist moron, with some academic papers

  • @anewman
    @anewman ปีที่แล้ว +144

    The legend himself! Thanks for bringing him on Lex!

    • @flavannoyed3585
      @flavannoyed3585 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's that guy from the Juice Rap News - Singularity track featuring Alex Jones!

    • @jge123
      @jge123 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bet klaus schwab is saying the same..

    • @Master13346
      @Master13346 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Kurzweil is an extraordinary person and I sincerely hope that he can live long enough to the point where science can extend it indefinitely. I hope it's nothing, but I had to speed up the video 1.25X to hear him speak at the same pace as before.

  • @jergusmusic
    @jergusmusic ปีที่แล้ว +104

    What if Ray is from the future and is actually the sentient AI?😅 sometimes his voice sounds like that a little bit. Loved this episode so much. Thank you Lex! You are by far the best now.

    • @invaderg3332
      @invaderg3332 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've good suspicions on this, but what do I know, I'm clinically mad.

    • @califomia
      @califomia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This reminds me of that time when half the population blamed Bill Gates for warning that Covid might be coming 😂 I guess he'll become the villain eventually too

    • @calebdenney6061
      @calebdenney6061 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A class five civilization would be able to send information back in time

  • @kathleen4376
    @kathleen4376 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Longevity Escape Velocity …. Love it

  • @iamatlantis1
    @iamatlantis1 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    This is possibly my favorite episode so far, I listened to the entire thing and was left wishing it was twice as long. Definitely in my top 3.

    • @sparthur
      @sparthur ปีที่แล้ว +3

      which are the other two?

    • @ateampossible
      @ateampossible ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What are the other two?

    • @trancetheearth
      @trancetheearth ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Where are the other two?

    • @wg8561
      @wg8561 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The other 2?

    • @v1kt0u5
      @v1kt0u5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think Joscha Bach has been his most fascinating guest ;)

  • @WAVEFUNCTION_TV
    @WAVEFUNCTION_TV ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I'm always fascinated by the loosening up of the guests during that first 60 min. The answers get more lengthy and articulate. And the guest gradually becomes more engaged and lively. That's gotta be a big part of your success lex.

    • @CockatooDude
      @CockatooDude ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately for this talk we only get another 30 minutes of the good stuff, and then it's over.

  • @Michael-ul7kv
    @Michael-ul7kv ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Had chills the other day remembering this guys predictions and catching up on the latest in AI development recently. No matter how otherworldly his predictions seemed I now believe he is underestimating how quickly this change is going to hit us.

    • @azhuransmx126
      @azhuransmx126 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Even Ray Kurzweil predictions looks slow now, and that guy is a Genius.

    • @rossriver75yukon27
      @rossriver75yukon27 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I read articles in about 2000, in which one Liam Lacey speculated on modern man’s dilemma or ability to adjust to life in the year 1000 if suddenly transported there. His conclusion was that it would not be terribly difficult. But then another writer, Spider ( Spyder?) something - forgot his last name - speculated in kind on modern man if planted suddenly in the year 3000. His conclusion was it would be impossible. No surprise there. And the kicker was that a main change would not be gradual, but rather occur within 50 years. So 2000 plus 50 - by 2050. In other words, about the same as predicted by Ray Kurzweil.
      I wish I could get a hold of that writing. If anyone, by chance knows, please comment, thanks.

    • @invaderg3332
      @invaderg3332 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@azhuransmx126 Guys I'm from the future. Exactly 8 months away from your comments. And astonishingly AI is growing in reverse, future LLMs will need to do more things to compete with GPT4 and 3.5. Read the open ai blog post. Here we are with Kurzweils predictions being on course AGAIN.
      But OP still seems right, if AGI happens in 2029, there's no way singularity will happen way later in 2045. More like a month or a year away from that.

    • @azhuransmx126
      @azhuransmx126 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @invaderg3332
      2029 AGI = reaches consciousness and begins the Human Massive Replacement in All Fields.
      2045 ASI = The Singularity. Humans lose all control about WTF is going on. If not augmented, we will not understand anything, just like chimps can not understand our civilization.

  • @soumonism
    @soumonism ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I love Ray. I watched everything with him, and have seen him repeat himself a lot. His work is amazing, but he tends to do that. This interview really brought out a lot of interesting ideas and aspects to his thinking that I have never heard. Thanks a bunch Lex, you are the best. Literally, the best podcast.

  • @steelearmstrong9616
    @steelearmstrong9616 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Calm down people and enjoy what ever life you have left. Where things are heading may sound exciting but none of it will be for your own good. Now is all you have, so enjoy

  • @TheHumanSystem
    @TheHumanSystem ปีที่แล้ว +95

    This is 96 minutes of Lex trying to get Ray to laugh...and I love it. I watch these podcasts pretty much in order, but this one warranted a skip ahead. Thank you Lex and Ray!

    • @evanmargol3408
      @evanmargol3408 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep, I have to say. Another 30 minutes or longer would have been easy to watch.

    • @CryptoIncursion
      @CryptoIncursion ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "34:12" lol

    • @CryptoIncursion
      @CryptoIncursion ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@evanmargol3408 yes I agree I could have listened to much more of this conversation. Lex, give us a day with Ray!

    • @hy-sky
      @hy-sky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You missed out. Ray is a beautiful soul. He says a lot by not saying too much

  • @jacksandford9135
    @jacksandford9135 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lex has a beautiful mind and deep intuition into human thought and behavior as well as emotion. It allows him to be a most perceptive interviewer. Ray has an exceptional ability to reason and project the answers to those questions out into eternity. Beautiful! When asked the most important thing, he answered, “Love”. John Lennon said, “all you need is Love”. Christ said, “ In the end, these three remain, ( indicating perpetually) Faith, Hope, and Love, the greatest of these is Love.” I think the content of the above interview is the most enduringly important content I’ve ever heard on the meaning of life. My hat is off to Lex and Ray!!!!

  • @duskomanojlovic8507
    @duskomanojlovic8507 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    to summarize it all and to add to last words of these great podcast:
    The main meaning of life is purpose guided by love. For this time we are living is to love and to be loved.
    But if we want to put in one word then it is and it can be only love.
    Thank you Lex you are a great man

  • @idrinklotsofcoffee
    @idrinklotsofcoffee ปีที่แล้ว +352

    Glad to have lex interview this man. Tried to watch neil degrasse tyson interview him and of course he just talks over him and interrupts arrogantly and obnoxiously.

    • @stephenandrews356
      @stephenandrews356 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate Tyson. He's gotten so famous that he's come to believe his own bullshit. The dude is a quack

    • @shaileshchaudhary4769
      @shaileshchaudhary4769 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      True about Neil

    • @Jokerwolf666
      @Jokerwolf666 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      ADHD + Ego lol

    • @xstensl8823
      @xstensl8823 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      neil should keep his mouth shut. he's a narccisist. he suffers from a Sagan inferiority complex

    • @littlegravitas9898
      @littlegravitas9898 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Eveeytime I see this type BS copy pasta comment about NdGT, I genuinely appreciate the fact I know I can just hate someone without any shred of doubt.

  • @cyberoptic5757
    @cyberoptic5757 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Thank you for getting this interview done and put on record.

  • @MarcoGuardigli00
    @MarcoGuardigli00 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lex, thank you for this excellent piece. Full of humanity, empathy, and great values.

  • @JeremyPickett
    @JeremyPickett 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hey lex, I know you know this, but excellent interview! I could relisten to it quite a few more times, and it baffles me how you can consolidate so many informed questions in a tight conversation like this.

  • @fidelogos7098
    @fidelogos7098 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Kurzweil's optimism in a world that seems so bleak these days is so refreshing and life-affirming. Thanks, Lex, for sharing these great conversations with us.

    • @Aldraz
      @Aldraz ปีที่แล้ว

      It only seems bleak because people like to look for the negative things in the world. Negative media attracts more people than positive one due to how brain works in most people and therefore people have to deliberately search for good news to find it. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

    • @ChatGPT1111
      @ChatGPT1111 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      With the media becoming nothing more than an extension of government, and only when one party happens to be in power, is worrisome to me. Imagine having no choice to switch said propaganda off, and having that propaganda with a feedback loop that provides info back to the originator as to whether or not you 'fully' understood the meaning. This does not end well folks.

    • @neillatore6975
      @neillatore6975 ปีที่แล้ว

      Optimism in transhumanism is that something that we should feel also?

    • @ChatGPT1111
      @ChatGPT1111 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@neillatore6975 it is a proven fact that you can get college students to sign anything, including a petition to sterilize themselves to "save the planet"

    • @julius43461
      @julius43461 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@neillatore6975 Better than the alternative

  • @PatrickVictorio
    @PatrickVictorio ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank you for making this one. It was well worth the time to listen/watch you and the legendary Ray Kurzweil on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

  • @RyanLBuchanan
    @RyanLBuchanan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is the best thing I have seen on TH-cam in a long time. Thank you for sharing it with us.

  • @johnnymartinARTIST
    @johnnymartinARTIST 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "do you have that in you? that kind of light that shines?" beautiful lex- knowing that music points directly at beauty makes you a pro!

  • @alexisc6136
    @alexisc6136 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Truly amazing episodes lately Lex keep up the great work ❤️

  • @Category5
    @Category5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love this podcast because it helps me learn. Not in the sense that I regurgitate the ideas expressed, but in the sense that many ideas are fuel for two, three hour think sessions where I introspect and ask myself questions. In my attempts to answer my curiosities I find more intriguing questions and thought pathways to explore and grow. For my birthday I would like to have an open philosophy session with Lex. Could be about time travel, the meaning of life, the future of technology, the existence and presence of God, the past as a blueprint for the future, anything. Since becoming a parent, watching my son fight cancer at 4, and my life changing overnight multiple times I have learned that there are very few people who wish to explore the beauty and horror beyond the mundane aspects of life. Lex, you do that in this podcast and I am glad to have found it! Progress is the fruit of curiosity, not of the mere passing of knowledge.

    • @LilyGazou
      @LilyGazou ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe create a channel and find others to interview and discuss these ideas. And interact with the commenters. When these channels go pro, they stop engaging.

  • @augustuslxiii
    @augustuslxiii ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I'd love to hear his thoughts at this length on the LLMs that have burst forth since ChatGPT was released.

    • @nikczemna_symulakra
      @nikczemna_symulakra ปีที่แล้ว

      ChatGPT (or at least public filtered version of it) is nothing but way less reliable, more articulate Google search engine. When Altman said it's good in doing impression of being something great, it was not fake modesty.

    • @ryanmkeisling9089
      @ryanmkeisling9089 ปีที่แล้ว

      £ This^

    • @cappincrunkful
      @cappincrunkful 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is so much with tech that is being suppressed at the moment. I am still clueless on many aspects of it. Would be interested in hearing more about a lot of the tech that is waiting on the wings.

  • @dugannash9109
    @dugannash9109 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've always been very skeptical about Ray's ideas since I first heard them a decade ago. I still am, but at least I've learned enough about the topic to know that I have no idea what I'm talking about now.

  • @karimkanfoudi6792
    @karimkanfoudi6792 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Lex you’re a legend for bringing this man to a podcast, can’t think of anyone else who could pull this off!

  • @TheJaYSolo
    @TheJaYSolo ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I cannot even express in words articulate enough to convey how grateful I am to Lex Fridman for his DECISION to create this channel. Brother, you filled a void in me that I couldn't even fathom I had but only through hind sight after every single episode as you and your guest leave me smiling and left wanting more! Best time spent on youtube BY FAR is on your channel and I will do so as a loyal fan for the rest of my LIFE!!! THANK YOU LEX!!!

  • @juhanleemet
    @juhanleemet ปีที่แล้ว +2

    excellent interview, discussing difficult and subtle concepts, not trivializing any concerns (jobs, disparities, etc.)

  • @sfurtado3
    @sfurtado3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love Ray, he's brilliant and always seems straight up!! Definitely someone on a short list I look up too

  • @doctorcameltoe
    @doctorcameltoe ปีที่แล้ว +95

    haven't been this excited for a podcast in a long, long time.. Ray is a national treasure.

    • @jimj2683
      @jimj2683 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is a charlatan that has made a reputation for predicting the future (just like you and me can do). He is no expert or guru.

    • @WaitButHow
      @WaitButHow ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimj2683 Lol, was about to reply the same thing but using milder language. I remember watching another interview with him back when he worked at google and wonder how he got the job.

    • @ronbermudez5024
      @ronbermudez5024 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimj2683 Charlatan from MIT with other valid credentials to back it up?
      Nah.

    • @treali
      @treali ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@WaitButHow He's a MIT graduate and holds several inventions in text-to-speech and speech recognition. He's the inventor of the Kurzweil keyboards, received medals for his contribution in technology from the white house and was personally recruited by the Google founder Larry Page. Imagine being as insignificant as you and calling someone like Kurzweil a charlatan, someone who actually made real innovative contributions and made the life better for the blind community.

    • @treali
      @treali ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimj2683 I really doubt you can make any solid prediction about the future considering your lack of critical thinking ability. Don't flatter yourself when you're below average in intelligence. Come back when you have received a medal of highest honor in technology and innovation from a US president and gets headhunted by the founder of Google.
      But of course, you're a diamond in the rough who is actually really smart and can see what not even Lex, Clinton and Larry Page can see. Good for you!

  • @SapientEudaimonia
    @SapientEudaimonia ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Read his book at 17 when it came out. Even though I can't fully agree with this almost religious form of transhumanism, I can't deny that Ray's book has been quite influential for me and the way to think about the future of humanity.
    Thanks for all the interesting guests, Lex!

  • @MrRhoidRage
    @MrRhoidRage 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Bring Ray back for another round already!

  • @ndrattia
    @ndrattia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, sire Kurzweil such a beautiful soul with optimistic insights of the future of humanity

  • @suzie_exe
    @suzie_exe ปีที่แล้ว +41

    So amazing to see/hear Ray Kurzweil here - I first heard of him through "The Singularity is Near" and I loved his optimistic and exciting view of the future. I can't wait to read the upcoming book!

    • @borodel619
      @borodel619 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Susie. Why are you stuck in the material artificial word? I alway's thought that the feminin mind could reach much further than that. 😃

    • @DarkSkay
      @DarkSkay ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the book was a good read. However, today I think that it could take another century or more, until "yes virgin, no will, no qualia" AI can convincingly deceive experts that it has first-hand experience of living as a man or woman, instead of rendering a digest of recorded human experience found on the internet - i.e. pass the Turing test.
      Of course, that's not a requirement for the majority of work in the field.

  • @sanguisan_
    @sanguisan_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is amazing. We need to hear that the futur is bright, so it can influence to get the singularity achieved with fewer probabilities on having obstacles to reach it ! Thanks Lex for freely showing this conversation, with Ray's the brillant mind.

  • @dejablueguitar
    @dejablueguitar ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:13:00 in - Copyright issues for REPLICANTS?! - mind BLOWN by this whole talk... WOW!! LEX, this is ONE of THE BEST interviews on this subject I've ever listened to! - Your questions at the end were absolutely AMAZING!!

  • @WARDEN26
    @WARDEN26 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ray really glossed over the economic disparity question. It’s not the lack of dispersion of the technology that causes the economic inequality, it is the ownership of the platforms and data. He answered the question spot on by stating plenty of homeless folks have cell phones.

  • @ashleykosta5059
    @ashleykosta5059 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for these enlightening conversations! I hope you're enjoying your travels 🙏🏼

  • @laurafarrell799
    @laurafarrell799 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for choosing the most interesting guests! So good. Loved this one.

  • @FaceciTheOne
    @FaceciTheOne 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Probably Lex Best Interview so far !!!
    Thanks Lex and Ray

  • @rexfordhazelton7601
    @rexfordhazelton7601 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lex your podcast is awsome. Your guest are right up my alley, and your ability to conduct an entertaining and deep interview is superb.

  • @sabre0461
    @sabre0461 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lex, I love listening to Ray, but you were so thoughtful and insightful as an interviewer! You not only asked him questions I would have asked, but ones I hadn't even thought of yet. I was like: yeah! What about that??
    Keep up the great work, you're really great at this!

  • @alansexton7
    @alansexton7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have no negative things to say! Lex, you were great as usual. Your quest was as enjoyable to listen to and way above my 9th grade education but I try to understand as much as I can and greatly appreciate his sharing his wealth of knowledge.

    • @romlyn99
      @romlyn99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The education system today, does not make you smart or better prepared for today and the future. So keep on progressing and learning any way that works for you.

    • @frankbooth8003
      @frankbooth8003 ปีที่แล้ว

      No negative things to say, and no criticism. This guy is a sell out.

  • @KonstantinPrydnikov1
    @KonstantinPrydnikov1 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The videographer is god of 78 level, picture is so clear, sharp and rightcolorfull, eyes are in extase.

  • @sheilareza2188
    @sheilareza2188 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not totally on board with Mr K .. but the interview was worth my time.

  • @helenibra6005
    @helenibra6005 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Finally!!!! This is what we need! I wish Ray to live up to his predictions, with all my heart. And I hope that everything will be as he said. Thanks Lex.

    • @ori1676
      @ori1676 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think his predictions are very optimistic because he's old and he wish to still be alive when technology will beat death..I hope he's right but who knows.

    • @lawrencefrost9063
      @lawrencefrost9063 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ori1676 He won't live to see his predictions come true, yet they will come true.

  • @davesunderhaft7601
    @davesunderhaft7601 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Lex, my favorite part of this interview is Ray’s optimism on the future and examples of why. Thank you for doing what you do.

  • @RoxanaLorenaD
    @RoxanaLorenaD ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great podcast, Lex ! Thank you!

  • @nikitaserov8835
    @nikitaserov8835 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lex is a great interviewer. Very interesting and polite.

  • @sylvestercalzone1003
    @sylvestercalzone1003 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    Joe rogan walked so Lex could run. These guests just keep getting better

    • @danielmarquis434
      @danielmarquis434 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Great, great comment.

    • @3rdEyeGnostic
      @3rdEyeGnostic ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Guests with wisdom over fame any day.

    • @JohnDoe-nj6ef
      @JohnDoe-nj6ef ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@3rdEyeGnostic Kurzweil has both.

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@JohnDoe-nj6ef Spoken like a true nerd. You're not famous unless my grandmother knows who you are.

    • @theseeker1237
      @theseeker1237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Art Bell..check him out. RIP.

  • @jacobsykes8467
    @jacobsykes8467 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I commented recently that the Magnus interview is one that I’d been anticipating for years. This is another one of those interviews.

  • @photobug88
    @photobug88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an excellent interview. This convinced me to subscribe.

  • @clariplayer
    @clariplayer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s hard to find anything to say. Wow. I have never been exposed to this type of thing before and found it mind blowing thinking. It’s incredible to know about people like this. Thank you for bringing it to this older man’s attention. Something else to explore. 🇦🇺🇦🇺

  • @RomanStepanovTV
    @RomanStepanovTV ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Lex Thank you for what you are doing! These are some of my most favorite topics. I too was born in USSR, and grew up there until its collapse. Love your podcast brother! Спасибо от души и сердца.

    • @borodel619
      @borodel619 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Roman, I think this is very limited talking. I live in europe and I am a scientist in the medical field. We are very limited in thinking and consiousness. Russian people and scientists are open in more levels of conciousness , especially in the non fysical world. I have very much respect for this kind of russian thinking. This type of talking is very stupid, you should know this. 😄

  • @Cryptonautas
    @Cryptonautas ปีที่แล้ว +10

    NICE, this is one of the things, that literally one have been waiting for, and now it's a thing thanks Lex 🤘🏼

  • @PLAYA3ULL_GAMES
    @PLAYA3ULL_GAMES ปีที่แล้ว

    wonderful podcast - thx Lex and Ray

  • @jsardone
    @jsardone ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Re: 1:05:00 I used to just think that's how everyone did it but I learned that some people have a very different 'cinema' in their minds - the experiences and expression of creation is a very personal thing. Knowing that now, it has helped me better communicate ideas without as much of a dependency on visuals.

  • @bryantaustin5186
    @bryantaustin5186 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've been eagerly waiting years for this interview and was not disappointed. My only complaint is that it wasn't five hours long. I hope Ray can come back soon.

  • @Bootman899
    @Bootman899 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    The Singularity was probably the most monumental book I ever read. It changed how I looked at the world forever. Awesome interview!

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Rachel B. Well AlphaGo doesn't use a premade database of moves to beat players, it instead plays against itself trillions of matches until it finds the best way to beat itself and then it beat humans. Evolutionary algorithms was used by moderna to make vaccines and they are being used to make art and to make machines and solve problems.

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does Ray Kurzweil about the zero-sum game in this multipolar world? Will it affect technology growth? Do you think China and ASEAN will get together to fund research when they are threatened by Western military?

    • @pedramtajeddini5100
      @pedramtajeddini5100 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Rachel B. why do you doubt that? Humans had no source of information 5000 years ago. Now look how much information we've built on top of that. When computers surpass the reasoning ability of humans, they're gonna discover anything that can be discovered at a rapid pace. Human brain isn't that special when it comes to reasoning and learning imo. But when it comes to emotions and consciousness... yeah it's fascinating

    • @marki2325
      @marki2325 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Engines of creation was also an amazing read

    • @Bootman899
      @Bootman899 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aoeu256 it's an accelerator if anything. I doubt it. I don't think any publicly funded research announcements matter at all. Everything you read about military/energy/AI in particular (world changing tech) is irrelevant. We already have the next 20-30 years of tech on a slow drip to society when needed. The law of acceralating returns continues.

  • @AstrisWeEvolve
    @AstrisWeEvolve 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I freaking just live this man. Lex is teaching me more than school

  • @freigeist3161
    @freigeist3161 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant interview. Really enjoyed it.

  • @RCristo
    @RCristo ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Excellent interview, congratulations Lex, Ray is very inspiring and makes us think about many interesting aspects of our short existence!

  • @momotaha
    @momotaha ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I was waiting for so long for this interview, since i saw his documentary singularity i never stopped admiring his view on the progress we do on technical engineering

  • @user-dc9ew8qv4j
    @user-dc9ew8qv4j ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This man is a Genius 👍

  • @JM-us3fr
    @JM-us3fr ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’ve been listening to Kurzweil since I was young. His predictions aren’t always right, but he never fails to get me excited about the future

  • @verbobellovocabulario273
    @verbobellovocabulario273 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of the best podcast in English, completely awesome

  • @Mixelvix
    @Mixelvix ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "I'm convinced therefore, it's fact!"
    -Ray Kurzweil
    Keyboard maker confusing his own hubris tech press.

    • @scottjuergens5054
      @scottjuergens5054 ปีที่แล้ว

      He’s playing the part now of mister lover of humanity when his life’s work is aimed at a post human world where humans are simply droids and and techno shamans serve the desires of elites . Same story as it’s always been . Ray seems to equate intelligence with the ability to access information but to me it’s the ability to integrate and understand that information. How much smarter are we than the Egyptians the Greeks etc… if a smart phone is out great claim to fame .

    • @donbarile8916
      @donbarile8916 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know, right? stoopid humans

  • @danwoywitka
    @danwoywitka ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was very very interesting! thank you Lex and Ray

  • @bu11fr0g3
    @bu11fr0g3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always great content!
    Best watched at 1.25x speed.

  • @svintheanajones88
    @svintheanajones88 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I''ve read most of Ray's books and just watching this, I'm learning so much more. Incredible!!

  • @MartyGold
    @MartyGold ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What an awesome surprise for this Saturday morning 👍💯 Thanks Lex

  • @jacksandford9135
    @jacksandford9135 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Im such a big fan of both of these guys. Magnificent!!!!

  • @dancemachine497
    @dancemachine497 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    humbling humbling humbling.... Big thanks, Lex. Big thanks, Ray.

  • @drhilm
    @drhilm ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This video has such a great quality. But the interview was not as deep as I would expect from this phenomenal person. You must interview him again and go deeper into some of the things you touched, like his way of inventing, where he was in the past few years, his ideas about how to create a mind, about writing and more...

    • @HABLA_GUIRRRI
      @HABLA_GUIRRRI ปีที่แล้ว

      not sure that d e p t h is gonna emerge from a man who dyes his ageing hair and thinks that the iphone makes people smarter

  • @tsoprano4891
    @tsoprano4891 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    One of the greatest interviews ever.

  • @leandro.paulasantos4313
    @leandro.paulasantos4313 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video! For me, to be able to listen to great minds about the ways of the world, is truly meaningful.

  • @michaelmarberger4652
    @michaelmarberger4652 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your great to talk too I'm sure and your host is great with informing. Thanks both

  • @Brian0wns
    @Brian0wns ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Damn Lex you are really knocking it out of the park with these.

  • @ryanmkeisling9089
    @ryanmkeisling9089 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome Lex, one of my most favorite persons! I'm excited to listen as always

  • @paulabachsnetnet
    @paulabachsnetnet ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:15:07 I can’t express how privileged I feel being allowed to sit in on your conversations Lex. You are a true gift!

  • @joelspaulding5964
    @joelspaulding5964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have spent decades admiring the keyboards. Such an incredible, creative human.

  • @benspivey5782
    @benspivey5782 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Lex for all the awesome work u put into these podcasts for our enjoyment,:)

  • @Cpkeim
    @Cpkeim ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Been waiting for this one! Thank you Lex and Ray

  • @user-co6lt6nc3i
    @user-co6lt6nc3i 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love this pod.