@@chiokjarse risky click to see if it was some random spam and I am pleasantly surprised to see it was actually about Mr. Monster in Ms. Marvel. Thank you.
"that's a really good argument... I find myself swayed... You have convinced me" said no one else on the Internet ever. Just fell in love with Brandon as a human being all over again! Why can't more discussions go this way?? I think even Dan was somewhat surprised... 🤣
I have DID and I felt like the did a pretty accurate representation. Brandon you were explaining pretty well what the alters were for. Obviously each alter is different for each situation. I also just want to say that I appreciate so much that you guys do the research on the mental illness before writing about it. Shallan is my absolute favorite because it was the first time the person with DID wasn’t the serial killer
I think it was actually Osiris who brought Mark/Steven back to life. Khonshu only notices that Mark is back afterward and then reinstates his powers. There's a line from Tawaret when she notices: "Oh Osiris, you old softie."
Yup, when they died the first time, they didn't have the Moon Knight mantle to heal them. And Tawaret even said,if they did get returned to life, it would be in a body with a bullet hole in it, so they would just die again shortly after that anyway, unless Konshu was free at that point to restore their powers and heal them.
I would love to see/hear them react to season four of Stranger Things. I appreciate that they say that they are “narrative“ experts. Stringing a narrative along for four seasons, trying to keep it fresh as actors get older, sticking to similar themes all the while is something that I think I would appreciate their take on.
As bad as the trailers have been, I honestly can't wait to see how she does it in She-Hulk, since generally Jennifer and She-Hulk are VERY different from each other, and she's the perfect actress for that. I just wish that they were simply giving her green facepaint, rather than superimposing weird green CGI over her face. It'll be a lot harder to pick up on the nuances of her performance that way. Seriously, you can CGI the size and muscles, just leave the face alone!
And it’s not that “I refuse to do these things” as Brandon also explainedit’s that marks mind shields himself from his mothers abuse and creates alters. Steven to forget about all of the pain and abuse of his childhood, and jake be strong enough to take the emotional and physical abuse. It’s jake exists to protect mark from emotionaly breaking situations such as murdering therefore mark retreats and jake comes out whenever that situation arises
Veil is more of a combo of mark and jake if Steven was the main personality She exists to take the brunt of shallons pain. but shallan is aware when they switch alts and seemingly can do it at will, when she’s in pain though she switches automatically
Orphan Black is AMAZING. Not only are the many characters perfectly different. But there are several times when one of the characters is impersonating another one and you can always see both layers. It's not a crude blending of the two characters, but the second character being interpreted from the perspective of the actual character, and being performed through the skills of that actual character. Masterful performances!!
The reason that a lot of people are confused by the Steven’s origin scene is that it’s framed as though he would be taking the punishment, but that doesn’t make sense to his character and turns out to not be true moments later. And if Mark didn’t take the punishment either, then it’s weird that he leaves Steven to assume he did. I’m all for ambiguity and leaving clues, but it does kinda feel like the scene was rewritten or edited to avoid acknowledging the third guy.
I haven't finished the ep so maybe they mention this, but yeah Steven and Marc holding twin idiot balls about how maybe there's a third guy is the biggest issue for me.
One of my very favourite cases of an actor doing an amazing job of portraying multiple characters is Orphan Black with Tatiana Maslany. The stand out scene for me, was when the character of Sarah Manning (main character, small time con woman) has to pretend to be Alison Hendrix (3rd main character, soccer mom) in, I think, season 1 episode 6. Somehow, you can tell, that the character of Sarah is pretending to be Alison.. even though both are played by Tatiana, she does an almost Alison as if you were Sarah to perfection.
I have always liked Hawkeye and the Hawkeye show gave so much dimension to that character. The scenes where Hawkeye and Kate are interacting are so powerful. I cried when Hawkeye was trying to talk to his son on the phone but couldn't hear him and Kate was passing him notes.
Jake Lockley is the 3rd alter. You are correct. Also, my favorite part of Hawkeye is the banter between Hailee Steinfeld and Florence Pugh. I would pay to see more of that.
Yes, there is evidence of the existence of Jake lockley since the first episode. I rewatched Moon Knight to notice the details people kept pointing out on their posts where they analyzed each scene; it's easily the most popular marvel show here in Egypt, no wonder.. Getting that kind of decent representation feels great! Oscar Isaac did a marvelous job I can't imagine it working that well it the cast someone else.. also May made us love Layla and want to see her more, I liked her. (Older family members are not fans of marvel but give it a chance only because Mohamed Diab was directing)
I really liked Moon Knight, I agree it wasn't perfect but Oscar Isaac's performance was the best part. One thing that didn't make much sense was Mark and Stephen needed to "balance" but Jake is another part of them and he could just stay locked away in the sarcophagus. They saw it rattling around but never opened it. I agree with Brandon that Jake was being hinted at early and he is the one doing the killing. I really enjoy Ms Marvel so my top 3 shows are WandaVision, Moon Knight and Ms Marvel
One other thing I enjoyed about Moon Knight was them saving people on a personal scale. I get that when you defeat a Thanos or whoever to save the world, you are saving people, but I enjoyed watching them pull people out of a vehicle during the final fight. That kind of thing really grounds a conflict, but the MCU hasn't been great about that since the earlier movies.
My favorite Jake moment is when mark is in the suit fighting a bunch of goons and he is losing, then he something happen, and moonknight stars winning but also stars killing the goons. This is another shift from mark to jake.
I think Marc puts himself in a mental asylum because he has known he's had DID for, like, all of his adult life. So I think we're meant to understand that Marc has lived at least a little in fear of ending up in an asylum and that's why his death realm or whatever looks like that.
So many times people say "you won't convince me and I won't convince you, so let's drop it." People have literally forgotten how to talk to each other.
I think both of you would enjoy Mr. Robot. Amazing character work and a lot to say about coping mechanisms. The show is about a depressed hacker that wants to save the world from the invisible hand.
While I was watching Moon Knight, I thought for sure the way they would bring Marc/Steven/Jake back to life is that he would become the Hippo goddess’s avatar and her power would let him come back to life until they could free Khonshu. When that didn’t happen I felt the same way that there was something missing. And I understand that they wanted Layla to be her avatar or whatever, but I still think that would have left the story with less plot holes. It was a fantastic show anyways though.
Awesome episode, as always… but you know what’s not awesome? The fact that as soon as I got into the valley yesterday, I went to check out the highly suggested Sam Hawk Korean place, only to find it permanently closed! (If either of you need to write another epic tragedy in your books, you can use this experience for inspiration) Because of this, I feel that I speak for the many when I say we need another suggestion for good Korean food. Oh great and powerful producer Adam, please get this info across. Baring this, we can compromise and Dan can just take me to Valters.
The best of what if is how it ties everything together. That was totally a surprise for me! And the dr. strange one was awesome, made me sad up to this day.
Totally forgot to mention it on the last Moon Knight episode, but I will not let it die. Oscar Issac would be a fantastic Dalinar if/when Stormlight gets a Dune level adaption
Regarding Marvel Zombies: Anyone who used weapons, advanced tech, or magic shouldn't have been able function as anything more than a normal zombie, due to lack of brain power (the comics had intelligent zombies, but the show didn't seem to). And anyone with super-healing should've been immune, or else it should've been able to effect the ants and other animals (it should've anyway, since it effects completely alien life). The most you should get is a zombie with super strength or speed (like in most zombie media anymore). Honestly, the wierd attractor should've been from how the characters handled a zombie apocalypse scenario, not from how scary a kung fu, magic, or archery zombie would be.
If you haven’t seen them, the Disney+ series called Assembled has interesting behind the scenes episodes of many of the Marvel movies and series. The Moon Knight Assembled episode is quite good.
They actually used oscar issacs brother for a lot of the non speaking parts so I wouldn't be surprised if for the screaming scene with the hippo its actually 2 different actors. Whats also interesting is instead of each of them playing 1 character they had Oscar play which ever role had more speaking lines so its hard to tell who is playing which.
I think you’re confused, or maybe I understood you wrong, but His brother was a stand in so he could play off of someone’s reactions. Oscar would pick which role to do first, then give his brother tips on how to react when certain lines were said and so on so Oscar could organically react in the scene. Then they would switch and Oscar would play the other, then his brother was cut out and they would splice the scenes together to only have Oscar on screen. His brother was on set for reference. He’s not in the show.
For the what-if series I think that it helps to think that there are more variables changed than just the one major event in the what-if. There could have been other subtle differences in this timeline as well that led to the change or that happened as well in the changed timeline. It's not really how the show is presented but I seem to recall reading somewhere that this was the explanation for why Thanos lost to Ultron because this version of Thanos did not prepare as well.
I think it isn't the Hippo God that brings them back. I think it's Osiris being moved by their brotherly display of affection. Like, she says something about the gates of Osiris being a way out, but they haven't opened in forever. Then, when they open, she says something about Osiris being sentimental old bird or something.
Yeah, one of the things Osiris is responsible for is resurrection, so he was presumably moved by Marc’s sacrifice (and Steven’s before his) and resurrected both of them. And then also opened the gate to let them out of the underworld. I think those were distinct things - he just did them simultaneously.
Moon Knight was a good example of how good acting can't save a bad story and Moon Knight was a bad story. It really was only enjoyable because of the great acting
What I can't figure out is why the Duat sequence didn't follow the River through the Twelve Houses of Night. It could've been a Dagobah-style journey where Mark was just focused on getting back to the land of the living to save his wife, but he needed to face his demons (both literal and figurative) in order to progress and petition Osiris. (Action, flashbacks, and mental health analogies all in one.) They could've even kept some form of the mental hospital scenes when Mark reaches the House of Rest and Tawaret introduces him to the beings that attend to the lost souls and dead gods that reside there! They even could've had Khonsu gambling with the gods (or supernatural jailers, depending on where they left him) while he waited for Mark to catch up (Shabti are golems, not genie bottles). Why can't Disney writers do any research before writing their stories? The old Marvel comics from the 70's did better research and with less access to information than the show's script writers. (Also, wasn't Ammut the pet lion/hippo/crocodile of Anubis? The Egyptian equivalent of the Native American and Nordic hell-hounds and the Greco-Roman Cerberus? Prime mastermind material, that. 🤦)
Another great show that had an episode with similar themes is the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer titled "Normal Again". The last moments of the episode could very well be interpreted by the audience as evidence that the entire shows is a delusion . ...In the hospital, Buffy is still sitting in her corner of the room, now completely unresponsive as the doctor shines light into her pupils. He tells Buffy's parents that she's gone...
Brandon do you know that Loki its Titanic 2 from episodes back? Basically a heist in apocalipsis moments of history. It has a really interesting worldbuilding.
I'm surprised they didn't mention how Harrow was defeated in the final episode...there's a switch of control, and then Harrow is laying there defeated. It's pretty brave for Marvel to not actually show the moment of defeat for the bad guy when their brand for the MCU is action.
I'm pretty sure we do not ever see Jake in action until the after credit scene in the final episode. We only see the result. I'm pretty sure if or when we see him Moon Knighting, it will be in a different suit. One that would make the All New Scarlet Scarab ask, "What the hell was that?" (or something to that effect) She has seen Jake in action but not the audience. I get the impression that Taweret is performing the duties of Anubis because he has been entombed in stone. What say you? It is Anubis that weighs the souls of the dead upon his scale. Or, that CGI is really expensive to mocap an actress and lets keep the number of gods to a manageable, three.
There's a scene in episode 4 where he's talking to Lalya in a car and I'm convinced it's not Marc or Steven, he just seems really out of character for both of them and I think that was intentional rather than that scene being poorly written. I don't think Jake would necessarily have a different suit if he Moon-Knighted up, because Steven only had the distinctly different one 'cause he had absolutely no idea what was expected of him. Marc seemed to imply that the suit was a specific suit, the "ceremonial armour from Khonsu's temple", so assuming that Jake knew full well what he was getting himself into, he too would presumably be using the traditional suit. And I agree that Anubis was most likely one of the ones who had been previously entombed. I paused the screen during the end credits where they show a bunch of ushabtis - on the assumption that they may be showing which gods had been restrained - and Anubis was front and centre. The others, from what I could work out, were: (from left to right) Heqat, Khnum, Meretserger, Neith, Anubis, Sekhmet, possibly Amun, unsure but probably one of the other goddesses of the Ogdoad, Kheper, and Bes at the front.
Just FYI, the pointless fight scene might have been a reshoot: so the main desert Prince guy (as in the actor for it) passess away in real life due to car accident, so I think he was meant to be returning in future episodes but since he passed away mid shooting, it feels pointless but I think it was too late to change the story as well. But this is assumption, I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true!
I don't think Mark made it up. They talk about how different people see the afterlife in different ways. In Rick Riordan's Kane Chronicles (his Egyptian mythology series) the main characters had to get the Sun God Ra from the afterlife which was portrayed as an assisted living home for the Egyptian gods. I believe Marvel was trying to take a similar approach.
I would like to see Dan and Brandon rank the MCU TV including the Netflix shows, because imo Jessica Jones (series 1) is better than all of the Disney+ shows by a million miles.
What did you both think of Legion (if you watched it)? I found it uneven, but in places really inspired. Moon Knight I really enjoyed, and generally agree with your comments.
Interesting food heists of history are cataloged in free ebooks on Google Books in old criminal records. For example, "Buckler, Henry. Central Criminal Court. Minutes of Evidence. United Kingdom, George Herbert, 1836." on page 341-343 there's a fascinating burglary of goods including "1 dead turkey, 24 lbs of raisins, and 4lbs of cake." There's quite a few of those in there...
I have so been looking forward to Branden‘s take on the backstory episode :-). I loved so much of moon night , Especially the Oscar Isaac Ness of it but I was really sad they kept “flipping back to reality“ during the mental hospital as if they wanted to make Mark and Stephen that it was real but always keep the audience on page that it wasn’t… I would’ve really loved to dwell more in the doubt and the confusion that we got an episode one. That being said, SO cool.
Well, if you didn't finish What If then you wouldn't know that it was a series and it was tied together at the end. You can say for yourselves if it was well done at the end or not, but it wasn't too bad. I agree that the Zombie episode was bad because of Vision doing weird stuff, but the rest of that ep was pretty cool.
It's really crucial. What If is really bad if you stop after two episodes, but the pay-off is some of the biggest of the series, imho. Still far from perfect, but if I ever had to go "no, really, watch it," it's What If. The good outshines the bad.
Wasn't Jake Lockley's accent more of like a Brooklyn accent? Oscar Isaac switches into it at one point in the hospital too. Ah no I forgot he spoke spanish in the after credits scene. I think the brooklyn acent in the hospital was still him though. Weird accent switch otherwise.
I would be interested to get both of the author's opinions on Star Wars Visons because it's sort of like a Star Wars version of a "What If" anthology, but written by screenwriters that have a really different view of the universe
What if the mental institution is for when Jake takes control? Also. I agree with most of your assessment. Hawkeye was good. What if was better. At least some of the episodes. Than falcon and the winter soldier. Moon knight was really good compared to all the other work Disney has been doing with series lately.
Kohnshu was locked up when Marc/Steven was shot and went into the afterlife so Marc had no powers then, he had to get his friend to smash the Kohnshu statue to release the god and then revive Marc/Steven
I think Brandon is right about the third altar because in the first episode when Steven is in control he says oh it's the idiot one again. If there was only one other the comment doesn't make sense.
The confusing part is that the Asylum is the afterlife, but Dr. Harrow and his office are imaginary. At first the show makes it seem like his office is just another room of the Asylum.
The thing that bothered me about What If is that it felt like introduction to a bunch of premises with no real exploration of what those premises would actually mean. I didn't feel like the episodes actually answered the question in the title.
Speaking of other Marvel shows that exist, if you guys could stand to make it through the Inhumans show, I would be interested in hearing how you would completely rewrite it.
I guess minor spoilers for Dr Strange 2 and Spider man 3, but with the multiverse being confirmed as real, doesn't that make What If...? technically canon? In fact when I first saw trailers of Dr Strange 2 I assumed that that evil Dr Strange was actually the one from What If, like I thought it would be a tie-in.
I just recently started watching these. Can someone tell me what is Brandon signing? Is something like "well, i have to atuograph theses every week for 40min, so I might just as well record a podcast while I'm at it"?
He is signing pages for the Words of Radiance leatherbound kickstarter next year, and yeah; he has to sign autographs for more like 2 hours every week.
In case it hasn't been pointed out. Mr Monster by Dan Wells is on Bruno's bookshelf in Ms Marvel episode 3. That book officially exists in the MCU.
Link: th-cam.com/video/hxaQJWUFD2E/w-d-xo.html
That’s awesome
@@chiokjarse risky click to see if it was some random spam and I am pleasantly surprised to see it was actually about Mr. Monster in Ms. Marvel. Thank you.
This is amazing!
Good thing you pointed it out because most of us who’ll never bother to watch Ms. Marvel would’ve never known.
"that's a really good argument... I find myself swayed... You have convinced me" said no one else on the Internet ever. Just fell in love with Brandon as a human being all over again! Why can't more discussions go this way?? I think even Dan was somewhat surprised... 🤣
I have DID and I felt like the did a pretty accurate representation. Brandon you were explaining pretty well what the alters were for. Obviously each alter is different for each situation. I also just want to say that I appreciate so much that you guys do the research on the mental illness before writing about it. Shallan is my absolute favorite because it was the first time the person with DID wasn’t the serial killer
Oh ,you are a very brave person. Hope you were able to overcome all the abuse and trauma that you faced as a child
I think it was actually Osiris who brought Mark/Steven back to life. Khonshu only notices that Mark is back afterward and then reinstates his powers. There's a line from Tawaret when she notices: "Oh Osiris, you old softie."
This is why I read comments before I post mine, beat me to the explanation haha
Yup, when they died the first time, they didn't have the Moon Knight mantle to heal them. And Tawaret even said,if they did get returned to life, it would be in a body with a bullet hole in it, so they would just die again shortly after that anyway, unless Konshu was free at that point to restore their powers and heal them.
I love how Brandon can find something to be deeply flawed but also still enjoy it. You're the best, Brandon!
I would love to see/hear them react to season four of Stranger Things. I appreciate that they say that they are “narrative“ experts. Stringing a narrative along for four seasons, trying to keep it fresh as actors get older, sticking to similar themes all the while is something that I think I would appreciate their take on.
Dan creating his own food heists now. I always knew his fascination would lead to the dark side.
eventually, even the real heists will be created by dan.
You got it right it is Jake Lockley.
YES the lead in Orphan Black absolutely NAILED playing different characters alongside herself.
As bad as the trailers have been, I honestly can't wait to see how she does it in She-Hulk, since generally Jennifer and She-Hulk are VERY different from each other, and she's the perfect actress for that.
I just wish that they were simply giving her green facepaint, rather than superimposing weird green CGI over her face. It'll be a lot harder to pick up on the nuances of her performance that way. Seriously, you can CGI the size and muscles, just leave the face alone!
Brandon on marks alters "I refused to do these things, so we need alter number three"-- very reminiscent of Shallan and Veil
Not quite the same
And it’s not that “I refuse to do these things” as Brandon also explainedit’s that marks mind shields himself from his mothers abuse and creates alters. Steven to forget about all of the pain and abuse of his childhood, and jake be strong enough to take the emotional and physical abuse. It’s jake exists to protect mark from emotionaly breaking situations such as murdering therefore mark retreats and jake comes out whenever that situation arises
Veil is more of a combo of mark and jake if Steven was the main personality
She exists to take the brunt of shallons pain. but shallan is aware when they switch alts and seemingly can do it at will, when she’s in pain though she switches automatically
Orphan Black is AMAZING. Not only are the many characters perfectly different. But there are several times when one of the characters is impersonating another one and you can always see both layers. It's not a crude blending of the two characters, but the second character being interpreted from the perspective of the actual character, and being performed through the skills of that actual character. Masterful performances!!
The reason that a lot of people are confused by the Steven’s origin scene is that it’s framed as though he would be taking the punishment, but that doesn’t make sense to his character and turns out to not be true moments later. And if Mark didn’t take the punishment either, then it’s weird that he leaves Steven to assume he did.
I’m all for ambiguity and leaving clues, but it does kinda feel like the scene was rewritten or edited to avoid acknowledging the third guy.
I haven't finished the ep so maybe they mention this, but yeah Steven and Marc holding twin idiot balls about how maybe there's a third guy is the biggest issue for me.
One of my very favourite cases of an actor doing an amazing job of portraying multiple characters is Orphan Black with Tatiana Maslany. The stand out scene for me, was when the character of Sarah Manning (main character, small time con woman) has to pretend to be Alison Hendrix (3rd main character, soccer mom) in, I think, season 1 episode 6. Somehow, you can tell, that the character of Sarah is pretending to be Alison.. even though both are played by Tatiana, she does an almost Alison as if you were Sarah to perfection.
I have always liked Hawkeye and the Hawkeye show gave so much dimension to that character. The scenes where Hawkeye and Kate are interacting are so powerful. I cried when Hawkeye was trying to talk to his son on the phone but couldn't hear him and Kate was passing him notes.
Jake Lockley is the 3rd alter. You are correct. Also, my favorite part of Hawkeye is the banter between Hailee Steinfeld and Florence Pugh. I would pay to see more of that.
I enjoyed Moon Knight quite a lot, even if the finale felt really rushed. Oscar Isaac killed it in this role.
All of 'em!
Heh killed it.
Yes, there is evidence of the existence of Jake lockley since the first episode. I rewatched Moon Knight to notice the details people kept pointing out on their posts where they analyzed each scene; it's easily the most popular marvel show here in Egypt, no wonder.. Getting that kind of decent representation feels great!
Oscar Isaac did a marvelous job I can't imagine it working that well it the cast someone else.. also May made us love Layla and want to see her more, I liked her.
(Older family members are not fans of marvel but give it a chance only because Mohamed Diab was directing)
I really liked Moon Knight, I agree it wasn't perfect but Oscar Isaac's performance was the best part. One thing that didn't make much sense was Mark and Stephen needed to "balance" but Jake is another part of them and he could just stay locked away in the sarcophagus. They saw it rattling around but never opened it. I agree with Brandon that Jake was being hinted at early and he is the one doing the killing. I really enjoy Ms Marvel so my top 3 shows are WandaVision, Moon Knight and Ms Marvel
7:40 I think the bigger narrative hint is that anytime WE don’t see what happened, it was Lockley.
One other thing I enjoyed about Moon Knight was them saving people on a personal scale. I get that when you defeat a Thanos or whoever to save the world, you are saving people, but I enjoyed watching them pull people out of a vehicle during the final fight. That kind of thing really grounds a conflict, but the MCU hasn't been great about that since the earlier movies.
My favorite Jake moment is when mark is in the suit fighting a bunch of goons and he is losing, then he something happen, and moonknight stars winning but also stars killing the goons. This is another shift from mark to jake.
I think Marc puts himself in a mental asylum because he has known he's had DID for, like, all of his adult life. So I think we're meant to understand that Marc has lived at least a little in fear of ending up in an asylum and that's why his death realm or whatever looks like that.
This!
"That is a really good argument. I find myself swayed." is something I think we need to see more of on the internet.
I respectfully disagree. We need more proper respectful conversation where people agree to disagree.
So many times people say "you won't convince me and I won't convince you, so let's drop it." People have literally forgotten how to talk to each other.
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I think both of you would enjoy Mr. Robot. Amazing character work and a lot to say about coping mechanisms.
The show is about a depressed hacker that wants to save the world from the invisible hand.
What I got from the T'Challa "What If" episode was grief processing over Chadwick Bosman passing away. Like a reminiscing type of deal.
While I was watching Moon Knight, I thought for sure the way they would bring Marc/Steven/Jake back to life is that he would become the Hippo goddess’s avatar and her power would let him come back to life until they could free Khonshu. When that didn’t happen I felt the same way that there was something missing. And I understand that they wanted Layla to be her avatar or whatever, but I still think that would have left the story with less plot holes. It was a fantastic show anyways though.
Awesome episode, as always… but you know what’s not awesome? The fact that as soon as I got into the valley yesterday, I went to check out the highly suggested Sam Hawk Korean place, only to find it permanently closed! (If either of you need to write another epic tragedy in your books, you can use this experience for inspiration)
Because of this, I feel that I speak for the many when I say we need another suggestion for good Korean food. Oh great and powerful producer Adam, please get this info across. Baring this, we can compromise and Dan can just take me to Valters.
I want to hear Brandon and Dan talk about Obi-wan
That segue at the beginning from food heists to Moon Knight. 10/10
Last two what if episodes are amazing, highly recommend.
The best of what if is how it ties everything together. That was totally a surprise for me! And the dr. strange one was awesome, made me sad up to this day.
Totally forgot to mention it on the last Moon Knight episode, but I will not let it die. Oscar Issac would be a fantastic Dalinar if/when Stormlight gets a Dune level adaption
At this point I'm pretty sure Oscar Isaac could play my mother believably 😆 the man has range!
Regarding Marvel Zombies:
Anyone who used weapons, advanced tech, or magic shouldn't have been able function as anything more than a normal zombie, due to lack of brain power (the comics had intelligent zombies, but the show didn't seem to). And anyone with super-healing should've been immune, or else it should've been able to effect the ants and other animals (it should've anyway, since it effects completely alien life). The most you should get is a zombie with super strength or speed (like in most zombie media anymore).
Honestly, the wierd attractor should've been from how the characters handled a zombie apocalypse scenario, not from how scary a kung fu, magic, or archery zombie would be.
@Brandon Check out 'His Dark Materials' for a zombie apocalypse plotline where children are immune. You expressed interest in the idea a while ago.
Love the shirt Brandon.
"Praise the Sun"
- Solaire of Astora
If you haven’t seen them, the Disney+ series called Assembled has interesting behind the scenes episodes of many of the Marvel movies and series. The Moon Knight Assembled episode is quite good.
I really liked Moon Knight but the finale was underwhelming
mr Robot is great show but if you want to keep it in the MCU... watch Legion. It is still my absolute favourite MCU TV show to date.
Legion isn't part of the MCU. It's part of the Fox X-Men universe.
The circus episode is a little sad, because the actor that played the person they went to see, died shortly after they finished filming.
Congratulations to Dan for officially becoming Canon to the MCU
They actually used oscar issacs brother for a lot of the non speaking parts so I wouldn't be surprised if for the screaming scene with the hippo its actually 2 different actors. Whats also interesting is instead of each of them playing 1 character they had Oscar play which ever role had more speaking lines so its hard to tell who is playing which.
I think you’re confused, or maybe I understood you wrong, but His brother was a stand in so he could play off of someone’s reactions. Oscar would pick which role to do first, then give his brother tips on how to react when certain lines were said and so on so Oscar could organically react in the scene. Then they would switch and Oscar would play the other, then his brother was cut out and they would splice the scenes together to only have Oscar on screen.
His brother was on set for reference. He’s not in the show.
For the what-if series I think that it helps to think that there are more variables changed than just the one major event in the what-if. There could have been other subtle differences in this timeline as well that led to the change or that happened as well in the changed timeline. It's not really how the show is presented but I seem to recall reading somewhere that this was the explanation for why Thanos lost to Ultron because this version of Thanos did not prepare as well.
I think it isn't the Hippo God that brings them back. I think it's Osiris being moved by their brotherly display of affection.
Like, she says something about the gates of Osiris being a way out, but they haven't opened in forever. Then, when they open, she says something about Osiris being sentimental old bird or something.
Yeah, one of the things Osiris is responsible for is resurrection, so he was presumably moved by Marc’s sacrifice (and Steven’s before his) and resurrected both of them. And then also opened the gate to let them out of the underworld. I think those were distinct things - he just did them simultaneously.
@@JordanSedai Yeah. Osiris out here with a tear in his eye and his hand over the "open-gate" button.
Would be awesome to hear Brandon (Dan too if he did one) talk about the MFA experience as a genre fiction writer
Moon Knight was a good example of how good acting can't save a bad story and Moon Knight was a bad story. It really was only enjoyable because of the great acting
Isn't the Parent Trap also real twins?
The Olsens ?
What I can't figure out is why the Duat sequence didn't follow the River through the Twelve Houses of Night. It could've been a Dagobah-style journey where Mark was just focused on getting back to the land of the living to save his wife, but he needed to face his demons (both literal and figurative) in order to progress and petition Osiris. (Action, flashbacks, and mental health analogies all in one.)
They could've even kept some form of the mental hospital scenes when Mark reaches the House of Rest and Tawaret introduces him to the beings that attend to the lost souls and dead gods that reside there! They even could've had Khonsu gambling with the gods (or supernatural jailers, depending on where they left him) while he waited for Mark to catch up (Shabti are golems, not genie bottles).
Why can't Disney writers do any research before writing their stories? The old Marvel comics from the 70's did better research and with less access to information than the show's script writers.
(Also, wasn't Ammut the pet lion/hippo/crocodile of Anubis? The Egyptian equivalent of the Native American and Nordic hell-hounds and the Greco-Roman Cerberus? Prime mastermind material, that. 🤦)
This was so enjoyable.
Thanks for sharing :)
very nice glasses to the both of you gentlemen. Love the podcast.
Another great show that had an episode with similar themes is the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer titled "Normal Again". The last moments of the episode could very well be interpreted by the audience as evidence that the entire shows is a delusion .
...In the hospital, Buffy is still sitting in her corner of the room, now completely unresponsive as the doctor shines light into her pupils. He tells Buffy's parents that she's gone...
You guys should talk about Everything Everywhere All at Once
Brandon do you know that Loki its Titanic 2 from episodes back? Basically a heist in apocalipsis moments of history. It has a really interesting worldbuilding.
how interesting most mcu fans I have seen preferred episode 4-5 over one vastly
The Hawkeye show was a surprise. It made me care about that character and look forward to more of a new character in Kate Bishop.
dental advancements are great, the root canal i got a couple years ago, hurt way less then the cavity fillings i got over 20 years ago.
I think Brandon is giving more interesting reasons for things in Moon Knight than the authors thought of.
I'm surprised they didn't mention how Harrow was defeated in the final episode...there's a switch of control, and then Harrow is laying there defeated. It's pretty brave for Marvel to not actually show the moment of defeat for the bad guy when their brand for the MCU is action.
Not really. We had a big punch kaiju fight.
yes i love the marvel episodes!
I'm pretty sure we do not ever see Jake in action until the after credit scene in the final episode. We only see the result. I'm pretty sure if or when we see him Moon Knighting, it will be in a different suit. One that would make the All New Scarlet Scarab ask, "What the hell was that?" (or something to that effect) She has seen Jake in action but not the audience.
I get the impression that Taweret is performing the duties of Anubis because he has been entombed in stone. What say you? It is Anubis that weighs the souls of the dead upon his scale. Or, that CGI is really expensive to mocap an actress and lets keep the number of gods to a manageable, three.
There's a scene in episode 4 where he's talking to Lalya in a car and I'm convinced it's not Marc or Steven, he just seems really out of character for both of them and I think that was intentional rather than that scene being poorly written. I don't think Jake would necessarily have a different suit if he Moon-Knighted up, because Steven only had the distinctly different one 'cause he had absolutely no idea what was expected of him. Marc seemed to imply that the suit was a specific suit, the "ceremonial armour from Khonsu's temple", so assuming that Jake knew full well what he was getting himself into, he too would presumably be using the traditional suit. And I agree that Anubis was most likely one of the ones who had been previously entombed. I paused the screen during the end credits where they show a bunch of ushabtis - on the assumption that they may be showing which gods had been restrained - and Anubis was front and centre. The others, from what I could work out, were: (from left to right) Heqat, Khnum, Meretserger, Neith, Anubis, Sekhmet, possibly Amun, unsure but probably one of the other goddesses of the Ogdoad, Kheper, and Bes at the front.
Just FYI, the pointless fight scene might have been a reshoot: so the main desert Prince guy (as in the actor for it) passess away in real life due to car accident, so I think he was meant to be returning in future episodes but since he passed away mid shooting, it feels pointless but I think it was too late to change the story as well. But this is assumption, I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true!
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BOTH HAVE PHONES LOL
I don't think Mark made it up. They talk about how different people see the afterlife in different ways. In Rick Riordan's Kane Chronicles (his Egyptian mythology series) the main characters had to get the Sun God Ra from the afterlife which was portrayed as an assisted living home for the Egyptian gods. I believe Marvel was trying to take a similar approach.
The last 2 episodes of what if are worth watching even if you skip the rest, I hope they give it a try.
Yes, yes! Last two episodes probably the best thing from marvel on disney+
thank you gentlemen.
Idk why I've never noticed it because I'm sure it's been there for a while, but does Dan Wells have a Shallan doll on his shelf?
Loki
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
Falcon
What if?
Wandavision.
You guys are the only people I've see who put Wanda up top.
I would like to see Dan and Brandon rank the MCU TV including the Netflix shows, because imo Jessica Jones (series 1) is better than all of the Disney+ shows by a million miles.
It wasn't the hippo that brought him back it was Osiris. The hippo then said something like " He's getting soft"
As much as i love sandersons work, im only here for dan
What did you both think of Legion (if you watched it)? I found it uneven, but in places really inspired. Moon Knight I really enjoyed, and generally agree with your comments.
Interesting food heists of history are cataloged in free ebooks on Google Books in old criminal records. For example, "Buckler, Henry. Central Criminal Court. Minutes of Evidence. United Kingdom, George Herbert, 1836." on page 341-343 there's a fascinating burglary of goods including "1 dead turkey, 24 lbs of raisins, and 4lbs of cake." There's quite a few of those in there...
By a fun coincidence, Dan is wearing the same shirt I am currently wearing it as I watch this.
I have so been looking forward to Branden‘s take on the backstory episode :-). I loved so much of moon night , Especially the Oscar Isaac Ness of it but I was really sad they kept “flipping back to reality“ during the mental hospital as if they wanted to make Mark and Stephen that it was real but always keep the audience on page that it wasn’t… I would’ve really loved to dwell more in the doubt and the confusion that we got an episode one. That being said, SO cool.
As a dentist, I would love to hear my favourite author's opinion on dentists.
Well, if you didn't finish What If then you wouldn't know that it was a series and it was tied together at the end. You can say for yourselves if it was well done at the end or not, but it wasn't too bad. I agree that the Zombie episode was bad because of Vision doing weird stuff, but the rest of that ep was pretty cool.
It's really crucial. What If is really bad if you stop after two episodes, but the pay-off is some of the biggest of the series, imho. Still far from perfect, but if I ever had to go "no, really, watch it," it's What If. The good outshines the bad.
Alt Show Titles (taken out of context): ... On the Floor Rolling in Pain ... or ... I Self-Medicate When I need It.
Wasn't Jake Lockley's accent more of like a Brooklyn accent? Oscar Isaac switches into it at one point in the hospital too. Ah no I forgot he spoke spanish in the after credits scene. I think the brooklyn acent in the hospital was still him though. Weird accent switch otherwise.
I would be interested to get both of the author's opinions on Star Wars Visons because it's sort of like a Star Wars version of a "What If" anthology, but written by screenwriters that have a really different view of the universe
Dan should make a secret lego set while they are talking and reveal it at the end.
Hawkeye is my fav, followed by Loki then Wandavision, I liked Moonknight, but was not as hooked into it as much.
Hawkeye is the best for me, i never cared about him before and wasnt even planning on watching the show but im glad i did
What if the mental institution is for when Jake takes control? Also. I agree with most of your assessment. Hawkeye was good. What if was better. At least some of the episodes. Than falcon and the winter soldier. Moon knight was really good compared to all the other work Disney has been doing with series lately.
I'd love to get Brandon's take on Dead Cells after listening to the Hades episode.
Kohnshu was locked up when Marc/Steven was shot and went into the afterlife so Marc had no powers then, he had to get his friend to smash the Kohnshu statue to release the god and then revive Marc/Steven
You should talk about Top Gun: Maverick.
I think Brandon is right about the third altar because in the first episode when Steven is in control he says oh it's the idiot one again.
If there was only one other the comment doesn't make sense.
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When I watched the Asylum parts of the show, I viewed it as a part of the after-life, and not as being generated entirely by his brain.
The confusing part is that the Asylum is the afterlife, but Dr. Harrow and his office are imaginary. At first the show makes it seem like his office is just another room of the Asylum.
The thing that bothered me about What If is that it felt like introduction to a bunch of premises with no real exploration of what those premises would actually mean. I didn't feel like the episodes actually answered the question in the title.
Speaking of other Marvel shows that exist, if you guys could stand to make it through the Inhumans show, I would be interested in hearing how you would completely rewrite it.
Im just waiting for moon knight to hallucinate about Iron man Captain america
Curious about their thoughts on "Mr. Robot." Have they done an episode on that?
I don’t think Brandon had seen mr robot.
I would argue that Whatif gets reteoactivly better after the last episode
when you talk about food heist long enough you become the food heist
I guess minor spoilers for Dr Strange 2 and Spider man 3,
but with the multiverse being confirmed as real, doesn't that make What If...? technically canon? In fact when I first saw trailers of Dr Strange 2 I assumed that that evil Dr Strange was actually the one from What If, like I thought it would be a tie-in.
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I just recently started watching these. Can someone tell me what is Brandon signing? Is something like "well, i have to atuograph theses every week for 40min, so I might just as well record a podcast while I'm at it"?
He is signing pages for the Words of Radiance leatherbound kickstarter next year, and yeah; he has to sign autographs for more like 2 hours every week.
It’s called multitasking
@@Sam-vk8xd He's so good at that he writes a book while writing a book on the side