Plasma vs. OLED 2023 | What a Difference a Decade Makes!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2024
- Plasma TVs still have something of a cult following. Once the pinnacle of TV technology, plasma televisions offered the best black levels, most accurate colors, and smoothest motion ever seen from a TV before. Today, OLED has supplanted plasma as the top TV technology on the market, but how do the two compare? We pit Samsung's best plasma TV (also the brightest plasma ever against Samsung's best OLED TV ever. Let the fun (and nostalgia) begin!
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01:02 Plasma Rewind
04:21 Plasma Performance
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08:42 Plasma SDR vs OLED HDR Comparison
11:02 Motion Resolution
12:01 Final Thoughts
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Hey everyone! Just want to acknowledge and apologize for the frame-rate issues seen in some of the A-roll on this video. We had to switch back and forth between frame-rates to eliminate a significant amount of flicker and scan lines seen on the Plasma. We think the frequent switching freaked out the render AND TH-cam (in different ways), but we didn’t catch until it was live and running. Thanks for your patience and understanding. I’m extremely proud of our history of quality control, and this one just slipped through. Safe to say it won’t happen again! Thanks for all your support!
I had to turn on my Motion smoothing for this. And I NEVER use motion smoothing :)
@@ThujanK Nooooooooo! Dang it! I hate to hear it! LOL
Was watching on my sony oled master series thought it was dieing 😂
Hi Caleb! I wanted to share an invitation with your team. I have a Sony FW-900 and would be happy to invite your team to use it for comparison. I’m located around Boston and have a variety of other CRTs if you’re looking for a big deep dive.
I thought it was my TH-cam app freaking out, but it was you all along ;)
I have a 15 year old Samsung 50" 1080p Plasma TV and it's absolutely amazing...the best room heater available to date!!
Yeaaaa....that is one of my primary upgrade reasons: from a maximum 438watts to a maximum 60watts....
@@theextraordinarypants4909 Yes my 50 inch Panasonic Plasma runs "WARM"... and we pay top dollar for electricity in SF Bay area so 441w on mine is bad.
Lol I forgot how HOT 🥵 they got.
I owned the big dawg of Plasma (Pioneer Kuro Pro 151FD), and I still own a Panasonic ZT 65 😁😁😁
Hahaha, that's great.. Two in one.
I still have my Panasonic Plasma in the Living Room! Hard to retire because the picture is so amazing!
I agree. I am still using my Panasonic Plasma from 2005
The thing I liked most about plasma was that content just looked natural. No messing with 27 different settings to get motion and color to look correct. You just plugged it in and everything worked flawlessly. I love my 77" A80J but find the "features" almost overwhelming.
That's something missing in this comparison: the texture of the picture is really different. I made myself the comparison two years ago netween my OLED G1 and my Panasonic Plasma.
OLED is very gorgeous thanks to HDR indeed, but it has a very "digital" picture, almost cold, compared to the Plasma more organic one.
In the end, I think OLED is still better. But we lost something the Plasma could do that the OLED can't, due to their difference in tech.
As we did lost stuff that the CRT could do and neither the Plasma or the OLED can (most notably Motion Clarity and the absence of lag)
I had a Samsung plasma, and I definitely had to mess with a lot of settings to get it looking correct.
I miss the days of crt that the only setting you need to change was the volume lol
@@arnaudcalistri2433 This is just romanticizing old technology. OLED is as much "analog" as plasma. Plasma uses tiny cells filled with gas that emit light when charged. OLED uses microscopic cells of organic molecules that emit light when charged. Both are equally "analog" in the sense that the light being emitted from the cells can be infinitely varied between the "on" and "off" states (digital, BY DEFINITION would mean a pixel could either flip on OR flip off, with no gradations between the "on" and "off" states).
Plasma was obviously superior compared to competing display technologies at the time, but there is nothing "cold" or "digital" about OLED pictures that somehow make them inferior to plasma. As Caleb's video shows without doubt, today's OLED is far superior in just about every way.
@@vitaboy I never said Plasma was analogue, read my comment again. I just said the OLED picture looked more "digital" and less organic than a Plasma one and I stand by it. That's how I feel when I compare both pictures. But it's ok if you don't feel the same :)
I now own a LG OLED but I had a Panasonic plasma for about 6 years and I must say, there are still aspects about it that I miss. It was especially great for watching sports and fast moving action movies.
Love the OLED though, easily best TV I've ever owned
Panasonic OLED is KING
@@Da-ikenwrong Sony OLED is including the reference monitor every mastering studio uses. Nice try though!
Totally agree, owned a 65" flagship Panasonic for many years. Was excellent both as a computer monitor (yes not a sign of burn-in after some heavy PC absue), and as a console gaming TV. Sure it only had 60hz, but very nice motion handling, easy better than any oled in 60hz (for gaming). I think it had very good black lvls, and not as washed out as I (yes i know it's through youtube) that Samsung Plasma seems to have. Still miss that TV, and I'm on a 83" LG G1 today.
I still have a 60" panasonic plasma from 2013(And a 65" LG C1 OLED), and i prefer the plasma for movies and TV simply because it has less motion blur, HD motion clarity and noticeably less film judder. Plus the colors are miles better than any WRGB OLED and it doesn't suffer from 'out of box' black crushing which can only be corrected with a pro calibration, $600 CAD later. :P
Watching movies & TV on OLED & QD-OLED without black frame insertion is a big downgrade. Motion winds up looking so artificial, mushy and low res, topped off by the tech's excess film judder. Most people don't know any better because they've been using LED's for years now ever since plasma's demise back in 2014.
@@80sHolic7 I agree on everything but the colors. My plasma may have had more accurate color (wasn't calibrated and neither is the C1) But HDR makes a lot of difference imo, it brings more life to the picture imo, even though dark areas sometimes gets to dark and is hard to balance it imo. Which I never experienced on the plasma. That being said, the Pana plasma was never pitch black like the oled so, there is that.
I still have my plasma TV and personally I use it more than my oled, motion just looks so natural no matter what frames I throw at it. Picture to me looks better too and does not hurt my eyes looking at it for more than an hour .
Lol stop
Yeah, cause that 1080p SDR just slaps!!😂🤣
@@NexGenTek Your that guy that loves Soap Opera Effect i guess?
@@bigcdub Most content like 90% is 1080p max. So you will be forced to watch lots of that if you like lots of shows etc.. when you own a UHD TV. So you comment is a rather dumb comment.
@@fortynine3225That's just a flat out lie, unless you're watching regular TV, everyone streams 4K now, and most sets upscale to 4K anyway. You must be stuck in the past like your Plasma.
Panny ZT60 still rules. Watching a blu ray on it is as good as it gets, but I still have hope for the future.
OLED just doesn't cut it. A ZT is arguably the greatest picture ever made.
100% Never argue with idiots@@Stoddardian
Plasma is dead. Hail the king: OLED. You dinosaurs just can’t accept it.
@@targetrender9529 I will never accept it because it's a downgrade. And there are still excellent used plasmas available.
I have the zt60 too and a oled the plasma looks more natural to me
Still using a Pioneer Elite plasma from 2006. It refuses to die and pumps out a beautiful picture to this day. The black levels will still roast and toast LED TVs. My plasma has its place until it eventually says it can't go on.
Mine is from 2009 and still works great
OLED is different from LED.
In OLED the lights are off when true blacks are displayed.
Still got a 50” Pioneer plasma in our main room upstairs. Still looks great, deep blacks and vibrant picture. Oh, it’s a 720p as well. Yes, we have newer stuff elsewhere, but it’s still the king. Yeah baby. 👍🤪🇨🇦
I remember being mesmerized by the first plasma TVs at BestBuy. I think it was somewhere in the late 90s or early 2000s.
The cheapest 40''/42'' TV were around 10000$ back then.
I remember trying to talk my parents into buying one. 😂
Still have a 50" Panasonic Viera Plasma that's 13 years old and it looks great. We haven't had 1 issue with this tv. The key question will be, how long are these OLED's going to last without burn-in??? Will these OLED's still be going strong after 10, 13, 15 & 18 years??? People love their Plasma's because of their reliability and still great picture quality.
I have that exact TV I bought in 2009 and am still using it, just not as much lately. I'd like to get something bigger but this one just keeps running. Figured upgrade if/ when if finally dies. Seems bulletproof.
especially when you watch the comparison on it and say "yes the oled is so much better, the water isnt murky" hahaha Also Neo Plasma Panasonic viera, Killer Machine !
My 2008 panasonic plasma developed a buzz to when i fell and landed on it last year. i feel like its unreplaceable i dont like what oleds look like and leds are just trash
My mother's plasma is going reasonably well after 15 years. Has a few problems mainly with sound not so clear. Helps it has mostly had moderate use.
My parents still have their 2010 Panasonic plasma, looks great still and there’s something very natural and organic about the picture, which I suspect is at least in part related to the motion.
I still have my Panasonic plasma tv from 2007. Still going strong. They indeed have a more natural and organic picture.
It's the motion. The high motion clarity and lower motion persistence(low motion blur) and less film judder makes the picture look more movie-like, smoother and natural on plasma. Watching movies on OLED & QD-OLED looks more artificial since they're inferior in all 3 areas, even with Black frame insertion. Higher motion blur, 300p motion resolution and excess judder is just a straight up downgrade. But if you use BFI it reduces motion blur by half and increases motion clarity to 600p. You shelve probably more than half of your TV's brightness and there can be a noticeable flickering effect on whites, but it's the only way to get solid motion on OLED & QD-OLED. Film judder still ends up sucking though.
Still have mine . Panasonic made the best plasma tv’s
It’s one thing to compare them side by side
but by itself my plasma looks just fine
@@80sHolic7 Yeah. That's something I failed to mention. Movies. Watching movies on plasma is amazing. They indeed have that "cinema" feel.
It's a shame that they stopped making plasma TV's but if I remember correctly it was because of cost of production. They could no longer compete with how other companies could manufacture other LCD technologies much cheaper. Panasonic was one of the last hold outs to offer plasma TVs for a while but they eventually gave in and discontinued the technology.
Unfortunately they do consume more electricity as well.
I still have my Panasonic plasma as well. Even in this video, the lion face looks more realistic in the plasma. People loves saturation of natural colors for some reason.
I still have a Panasonic plasma and the picture - after all these years is still beautiful at 1080p
I still have and still love my plasma tv. I watch alot of live sports and action movies and really love my plasma. to be honest, when I watch the same type of content on a OLED, I actually dont see that much of a difference, that is why I still have not upgraded my tv yet.
I have spent hours since 2013 with my 60” Panasonic Plasma. I want to make the jump to QD OLED, but I just can’t throw the plasma away and no one wants to buy it. The picture still looks great too
just get one and keep the tv
I have a 600M Pioneer Kuro that had its blacks lowered during calibration (didn’t register on meter) and a Sony A90J. That Samsung plasma had below average blacks. Oled has brightness, resolution and color volume (Plasma colors are awesome still) and better blacks in bright room. Plasma has motion advantage. Blacks in dark room are similar. The plasma has a very organic looking picture despite not being as technically advanced. But the oled is just awesome to look at. What was impressive about the pioneer Kuro is it took many years for something to come after and beat it, it was so far ahead. Now TVs are bested every year by the next generation. I do most viewing in almost pitch black room where eyes start to hurt with too much brightness. In that setting plasma is closer than you’d think.
Ah yes, I remember my old Panasonic plasma quite fondly. I think America is missing out by not having Panasonic TVs as a buying option. Most of the time their accuracy out of the box is stellar compared to other brands and even their entry level offerings are better than a lot of other brands mid tier or even top level offerings. They just make great TVs, plus they’re the only brand that supports every format of HDR available.
I moved from the US to a foreign country and had the good fortune of being able to buy a Panasonic JZ OLED TV. My ST60 is still sitting in storage back in the States.
I just wish 60" TVs were still made. I feel like my 55" model could be bigger, but in my price range I faced a choice between inferior 65" models and a 55" OLED. I think I made the right choice (the TV is one of the best ever), but I would have sprung an extra couple hundred bucks for a 60" model.
@@robertbash380 Yeah. Panasonic OLEDs are great TVs. They use LG EX panels but Panasonic calibrate them really well and a lot of tech experts say that their accuracy is top notch out of the box. Even their LED TVs are better than most on the market.
Differences are very small now. This isn't like the days when there was the Pioneer Kuro. All TVs share panels and it's just processing differences. AVForums just reviewed the LG G3 and gave it a 10 and they have reviewed tons of Panasonic's and stated the differences today are very small as the processing between the brands has narrowed a lot. LG G3 has Calman integration and perfect for a calibration.
Also Panasonic you can't get MLA without buying the more expensive MZ2000 and they have no 77" MLA.
@@vlcthefish I’d choose a panasonic over a LG any day,They are definitely a night and day difference.
@@Jza-GZa They had multiple shootouts (some blind) with them all calibrated and the results say otherwise. They are all close and Panasonic isn't some major leader anymore as they've lost many categories.
Plasma has buttery smooth motion,3D if you want it and half decent blacks.Had mine since 2009 and still very happy with it.Oled has its own set of issues but when my plasma goes to the big tv graveyard,I will invest in Oled.
Your missing out like crazy
@@NexGenTek We really aren't.
@@NexGenTek He isn't. Motion is the key. You want to watch slideshows, OLED is king. You want to watch moving pictures and do not like the soap opera effect or seizure inducing stuttering, get a plasma. They produce smooth motion with 24p, something no OLED can do.
@@incredulousdisbelief9841 Its not even debatable. The new OLEDs will obliterate every plasma ever made in basically every single category except motion for some I'll take the soap opera effect everyday over plasma motion besides that doesn't even come close.
@@kadajawi6567 Slide show yeah... You've never seen an oled there's a reason it got obliterated in this video plasma is long dead. Being honest it's disgusting to watch nowadays this can't and will not be an argument there's no comparing anymore AT ALL!!
I still have a 50" Pioneer Kuro from 2008, currently hooked up to my PC as a 3rd monitor but only used when watching movies and playing some games and yea It's pretty crazy how good motion handling is on the Plasma, even at 60Hz / 60fps it still manages to have better motion handling vs my main 27" PC monitor at 144Hz / 144fps (Dell TN panel / Freesync / Gsync compatible).
Plasma does very well with motion as it doesn't hold frames like LCD. It redraws each one like a CRT.
Even at 30 FPS the motion on a plasma is butter smooth.
@Stoddardian 30 fps sucks, unless you're playing a game with a controller.
Yeah, I'm a console gamer.@@Johnnybomb1
I am still running my Panasonic 60ST60 and I never feel that the picture is not good enough. Sure I’ve seen the delicious displays in OLED but with all the other callings for spend, I simply haven’t tipped over to a new TV yet.
I’ve been considering a LG C2/CS 77” as they become clearance items but the only real justification is to get the most out of my PS5.
There is zero blur in sports, I dialed in the settings using a Disney WOW BluRay. Movies look amazing.
I can tell the HDR contrast is clearly better in this video however taking the example of the clip of the lion - the OLED seems to over saturate the colour, it just doesn’t seem real. The plasma seems to have a more natural look.
I’ll get a new tv at some point. The fact is that TVs have to be the quickest depreciating tech ever. Prices tumble constantly as technology improves, so for now that’s beating out my FOMO.
I'd definitly wait. After my plasma broke I suffered through the lcd gray black decade. Once I got an oled it's worth it. But for you, you were able to skip the crap lcds's. If you wait longer maybe you can skip to the next gen, so when the next oled tech comes out you can either get that or get regular oled for way cheap. And the regular oled will be new to you and you will love it. So staying a generation behind is the way to go.
I'm actually still using my Samsung F-8500 Plasma TV that was purchased in 2014. Incidentally, when I bought this particular TV it may have been the last remaining brand-new 51" model that was available for sale in the United States (though I learned that some retailers in Canada had a few more in stock). I liked this plasma right from the start and it still gives me great viewing pleasure. I won't try to claim that it's superior to today's TVs, but one of its qualities that continues to appeal to me is its ability to display skin tones accurately, so that people look lifelike rather than artificial. This plasma TV may be old and "obsolete", but I'll keep it until it gives up the ghost because I don't like the idea of discarding electronics that continue to function well.
My dad still has his 65" Pioneer Kuro. Still an amazing TV and holds up.
More comparisons like this. Most of us don't buy new TVs every year, but perhaps every 5-10 years, so this kind of video is exactly what we need. I still haven't upgraded from my LG B7 OLED (i.e. model year 2017), and part of the reason is that I'm not sure it's worth it only with regards to picture quality. I recently bought a smaller LG C2 for another room and compared that to my B7, and the difference where subtle.
Some people buy new tv every month instead every year.
Still rocking a Samsung F8500 60”, Panasonic VT50 55" and a GT50 60". Love them all still as they look great. I plan to upgrade to OLED, but all 3 are still gorgeous in my opinion.
Still used mine until last year until it started getting HDMI issues. Loved that TV and miss it dearly. I upgraded to an LG OLED which is great but damn the F8500 was amazing for its time.
@@flashbang217 😢
What is up with your frame rate? You animating on 2's to save some money on shots?
Ikr I was so confused
Lmao! Animating on 2s!
Having had both the Samsung and the Z series ZT60 Panasonic Plasma, the Panasonic was easily the better television. Now having just said that, I can't wait to see the Sony A95L QD-OLED as I'm sure it will be my next television.
Sure but i hope for 83'' at least , i hate my 83A90J 😢 Fu.... white subpixel !!!!
Same here man, I had the F8500 in the past but sold it to keep my ZT60 plasma, which is still my preferred way to watch movies even though I also own an LG C1 oled. If only Panasonic still sold their TVs here in the states I would’ve gotten the MZ2000! But now the A95L looks to be the current king…
Still have my 60” Panasonic plasma I paid $700 for in 2010. Room is completely dark. Still looks great! I can wait another decade for a new tv.
I still have my Panasonic VT 60 Viera 65" from 2013. Technically, I gave it to my Father and 'he loves it ! And when I go to my parent's house to visit them, and they have that TV on, I'm still impressed with the picture quality 'til this day. And here we are 10 years later, no burn-in. The plasmas just have this certain look to them. I wish so badly they would have continued the R&D of Plasma and give it the 4K treatment with brightness that these 2023 QD and MLA Oleds have now.
you're forgetting one of plasma's major drawbacks.......power consumption which made it work as a heater.
Getting 4K out of plasma technology would have driven up the power consumption significantly. Considering that it was super high to begin with, it just didn't make sense to push plasmas to 4K. It would have been illegal in many regions and even if not, running it would have been too expensive.
@@swifty1969 Yes, there was that.
Still rockin' the plasma tvs; 60" Samsung in the theater room, 50" Pioneer Kuro in the living room and a 42" Panasonic in the bedroom. 😀
I have a Panasonic plasma GT60 and I still love that TV but the wife wanted a new TV that didn’t heat up the living room. We needed a TV that would support newer formats and looked as close to the plasma’s color saturation and viewing angles, so we got a 77” LG C2. While the picture looks better in most ways, the plasma by far handles motion way better. I have never found another type of TV that handles motion like plasma does. I did not get ride of the GT60, I moved it into my office. When it comes to 1080p content, I think it still looks slightly better than the OLED. I will be keeping this TV until it gives out.
From what Caleb and others have mentioned, Sony seems to be the only one able to produce the best motion in today’s oleds that can satisfy us plasma holdouts. That Sony tax though.
@@puresynergyflo I’m not willing to pay the Sony tax. The tv does good enough to satisfy my needs. I purchased a TCL 6 series a few years ago and the jutter was bad enough that over time I got tired of it and retired it to the kids play area TV.
I have oled and plasma, and I still like the plasma a lot. The "feel" we find different with plasma vs oled is like film vs video. Some TV shows on the oled look like they were filmed on a phone and not processed, vs looking like a movie on the plasma. So the oled might be way more exact, but it's not always better.
Alot of HDR looks like video raw. SDR looks much better to me.
I was looking at my 4k and yep the shows do look like it was filmed on phones. My 4k is properly calibrated too. My hd crt projection has even well produced youtube videos looking cinematic
Although some of that motion resolution advantage on plasma does come from its lower brightness, most is due to the subfield drive. Plasma displays output each frame in a partial pulse that is only composed into a full image within your head.
Each pulse makes 1/10th of a frame on the F8500, which on a standard 60hz signal is where the 600hz marketing number comes from. Slo-mo Guys have a very cool video showing how that actually looks, but the result is well tuned against retinal persistence for stellar motion clarity and minimal flicker.
The limit is that the trick really only works well with a 60hz video source. Fantastic for 60fps games and sports, but 24fps movies can still suffer some motion judder when there's a bright object moving against a dark scene.
You're absolutely right about plasma's motion resolution advantages, but I don't agree that 24hz looked bad on them at all. All the high end plasmas that I've owned (two Kuros and the F8500) looked absolutely perfect with a 24hz source, and way, way better in motion than a modern display.
Just left a similar comment!
I fully agree except for 24p... at least on my VT30 24p looks absolutely spectacular. Modern TVs can't even come close.
I do wonder if it would be possible to drive an OLED the same way, or rather, if it would be possible to emulate the way a plasma works. Why can't the pixels be pulsed as well in a similar way? If they'd achieve that I'd switch.
@@kadajawi6567 The underlying tech for OLED could be pulsed that way, but it would need to be driven at least to 480hz to match a pedestrian plasma TV. That's beyond the current rates, but it doesn't seem more than a few years off. It might be a little more flickery without plasma's phosphor decay, but I bet it wouldn't be much of an issue at 600hz. We may be using fully phosphor-based OLED by then anyways.
As for 24p, it's certainly not _bad_ at all on plasma, but it'd be remiss to say there is never any judder at all, especially if one has grown used to the smeary smoothness of most non-gaming focused LCDs. Plasma doesn't change the underlying drive frequency for 24p and still has tremendous pixel response time, so frame duplication occurs and judder can happen. It's not imaginary -- I still have a PDP TV.
Still have my Pioneer Kuro 6020 (from 2008 I think) and love it but I have to say that my Samsung QN90A NeoQLED blows it out of the water (not to mention it's 25 inches bigger). Also, the Kuro cost me twice as much.
Interesting. I was very pleasantly surprised by how good my QN90B turned out to be. It's the first modern TV (within the past decade) that I've been genuinely impressed with (I like it more than my LG CX). However, in my case I still prefer my plasmas for most content.
Still a great display in its day. Held its own for many years after its release.
@Cyber Edge the qn85b is more closer to plasma as it uses a ips panel instead of blurry blown out contrast va panel
@@wingedhussar1453 your description makes no sense. VA has the best contrast. The only reason yours would be "blown out" is if it needs calibration.
@Eric Franke why does ads panel look better and more natural then va
Something about plasma makes it look natural. Don't know how else to describe it.
It's a lifelike image. HDR is false unreal contrast and colours.
I still have the last Viera 65" 1080p plasma that Panasonic ever made in my house. We've used it quite a bit, but we're moving and are going to sell it. Not because it's bad - and not even because it's only HD - but because the thing weighs more than some cars.
I appreciate the advancement of TVs over the last decade if for no other reason than because I can move them without a forklift. :D
My 60 inch Pioneer Kuro weighs well over 100 pounds.
My ST55 from 2012 is moved from room to room pretty frequently, was the 65" dramatically heavier?
Not to mention, you cannot lay down or overly tilt the plasma display. I've moved mine between 4 houses over the years and always moved it myself. To risky to let anyone unknowledgeable of plasma quirks touch it.
I worked as a home theatre installer back in the early 00’s in my first job out of high school. You don’t know heavy tv’s until you’ve dealt with 80cm+ CRT’s haha. Those weighed over 200 lbs.
@@dws84 Oh, I know. I had a couple massive CRTs, but I also had an older 55" rear projection big-screen and a 65" Mitsubishi Diamond DLP that were both BEASTS.
The Plasma technology reduces the persistence in 4x and hence the brightness in 4x to improve the motion clarity in 4x! The Plasma TVs at 60fps can look as good as 240fps. This is based on the Talbot-Plateau's Law and the Blur Busters Law.
The Plasma is flashing the entire screen 10 times for each frame and 2 or 3 out of those flashes are significantly brighter than the rest of them (2+3)/2=2.5 meaning 25% of the time is significantly brighter than the rest of the pictures. Based on the Talbot-Plateau's Law that means that the actual brightness is approximately the measured 280x4= 1120nits! Very close to the S95c. The Plasma is just trading brightness for motion clarity! Which is something fantastic!
60fps sample and hold looks like a blurry mess: you get 16 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second based on the Blur Busters Law.
1000 pixels per second means that the ufo test takes 4 seconds to cover screen width on a 4k screen (960x4=3840 pixels on the horizontal axis of a 4k TV).
Yeah, this is really the whole plasma advantage. OLEDs are superior is basically every other respect, but the motion resolution advantage that plasmas still have is HUGE deal.
@@chrisherbert Not just motion resolution but also smoothness. 24p on a plasma can look smoother than 60p on an OLED. And all the content I consume is 24p, so that's kind of a big deal.
@@kadajawi6567 Have you tried using an OLED with black frame insertion? I've found that really helps with the strobing effect.
@@chrisherbert I have, however I found the flickering on a C1 unbearable (except at the lowest setting, where it did little to help). Which model would you recommend? I tried the S95B for a bit too, and it was acceptable, perhaps. Not sure. For 20-30 minutes I could stand it, but a plasma it is not. I'm worried that it is so strong I'd get eye strain after a while. Also, BFI only works properly at 24p. At 25p it's bad. I think the A95K was a little better at 24, but yeah, still meh.
The THX Certified Panasonic Plasma TV and the Pioneer Kuro were phenomenal and still hold up today .. Plasma still wins the smooth video
But no Samsung plasma, Panasonic and Pioneer were the best plasma tvs you could get.
@@walterverbeeck6929 Samsung plasmas were mostly inferior to Pioneer and Panasonic, but the F8500 was an exception. I've owned plasmas from all the major brands, and in my opinion it's the best ever made. Even better than Kuros.
@@chrisherbert Yeah =) When you compare the details next to the black on the KURO and on the F8500, it turns out that your Samsung has low detail in the shadows -it's easier to dither, whereas the KURO has a higher detail in the shadows than the OLED from Sony. KURO is not a TV, it is a professional plasma monitor with a TV tuner
@@dirtgarry I owned a Kuro monitor as well (KRM-500M) and the darker portions of the image were a little cleaner than the F8500. But overall the Kuro's image was noisy enough that I much preferred the Samsung.
@@chrisherbert I've never heard such nonsense before. Anyone who understands the topic of plasmas will say that only Kuro could give details in the shadows next to black without dithering thanks to a complex matrix, even the panasonic zt60 cannot work without dithering in black, especially Samsung. There are consumer plasmas and there are kuro. I'm sure you've never had a kuro, otherwise you wouldn't write such nonsense
I still have Panasonic and Pioneer Plasma TV’s and they look great! Especially the Pioneer Kuro, which I think still has an excellent picture. Bought it at BB on a close out for $2000 (55”) and have never regretted it.
Would love to get a 77” G3 for our great room, but we’re OK for now.
I bought a 48” LG A2 OLED last year for $569, and love it in our bedroom.
Enjoy your reviews-very informative, and helped a lot with my recent TV purchases.
Thank you.
I still have my pioneer elite which is about 15 years old and works great probably because it is used 4 or 5 hrs a day in a cool dry family room
I thought that I was OK for now also with my 2012 Panasonic 65" GT50 until I bought the LG G2 77" last year. Trust me, the step up is very big especially when watching HDR Dolby Vision content. Sadly it leaves my beloved Panny in the dust.
@@wayne611 I know. Our Kuro is in a spare bedroom now, and doesn’t get a lot of use, but when I do watch it I’m still amazed at the beautiful picture! However it does get rather warm😏
@@howardlittell I can’t wait to see the new G3-have read that it’s amazing!
A couple years back I snagged a 60" F8500 plasma on market place for $20. someone spilled soda down the back of it right on the power board. Replaced the board and it has been flawless ever since. It replaced the TCL 4 series that was in my bedroom.... I can say it is waaaayyyy better than the TCL. For SDR streaming content it really is just solid.
Have LG OLED in living room, and Panasonic Plasma in bedroom (purchased 21 years ago). Both have great picture quality. The Plasma is seriously close to my OLED in quality. Would not give up my plasma unless it simply stopped working.
Close? In my opinion plasma is better.
I bought a Panasonic TH-37PX70B in 2003 and it’s still working. I gave it to my partner when I bought the Samsung S95B a few months back. I love the QD OLED upgrade so much, but the Panasonic is way better than the Sony LED my partner was watching (and forcing me to watch at her house). So hats off to those plasmas - even the 20 year old ones looked better than a lot of LED sets that came later. I don’t know if I’ll wait another 20 years before upgrading, but it sure does pay to try and buy the best quality you can.
I had a Panasonic 50" plasma tv I bought a year before they stopped production. LOVED IT! I liked their 3D too. Ended up selling it a few years later to a TV engineer for a video company for a good price.
I have the last generation of Panasonic plasma televisions. Now probably 90% of everything we watch is still Blu-ray that aren't available on 4K, so honestly the difference is negligible. The plasma still has absolutely stunning blacks, especially when watched in a darkened room as we do. And even when we're watching 4K material, the plasma can look absolutely gorgeous. Maybe if you put the two sets next to each other you're going to notice a difference but for most people if you put them down in front of the TV and you put on a really high quality source they'll think it looks outstanding and not notice a difference. Mind you, when my plasma does give up the ghost I'm going to buy an OLED because even the best LEDs still have black issues and some blooming around bright objects, which as a film fan I would find intolerable. No matter how good the local dimming is it can't hold a candle to an OLED. But for a TV set that's now reached 10 years old,it can still provide an absolutely stunning picture, and combined with my surround sound system which incorporates Dolby Atmos and DTS x, the difference is certainly not worth me dropping 2 or 3,000 at a minimum for perhaps 10% of my media consumption that's 4K. And I say this is somebody who still buys actual discs so I don't have to worry about compression or whatever streaming site I subscribed to suddenly no longer having something I really want(physical media rules)
There been a lot of improvement since that plasma came out, but that's not the same the same as saying the plasma is no longer a remarkable TV set. As a side note, I've spent the last 30 years as a television producer and editor, so I'm pretty picky about what I watch at and how it looks. And I do love the quality of the oleds. But the difference becomes less and less with each improvement and for many people 1080p looks absolutely beautiful on any set 65 and under from a normal viewing distance. Actually once the little experiment in our studio. We had clients coming in and they were watching some production we had done for them that was in 4k. Without telling them I changed the output so that what they were viewing was no longer 4k, but 1080p. And not a single one of them noticed. Again, not saying that someone who's a real video file won't see a difference, or that there isn't a difference, it's just is the difference enough for the average person to drop a couple Grand on a set when they have one that's still looks pretty damn nice. Runaway consumerism can be a bit exhausting on both your brain and your wallet.
may I add that what is on is far more important than the TV you are watching it on. When it comes to actual tools, like monitors for graphic artists, then colour matters. For gamers, the input lag and pixel response really matters.
...LA OTRA VENTAJA QUE EL TELEVISOR DE PLASMA FUNCIONA ¡ ESPECTACULAR! CON LA DEFINICION ESTANDAR 48Op...QUE SON LAS REPRODUCCIONES DVD....EN CAMBIO EL OLED SE MUERE...
Blu-ray still gets upscaled to 4K though, and a lot of shows and movies are 4K in streaming apps, even though it's still compressed.
i agree big time thats how i feel about my panasonic 60u50 60 inch 2012
Which Oled would you recommend in the 55 inch size?
Plasma has better shadow details and transition from bright to dark. Though oled often looks contrasty its due to the sharp transition and black crush leads to loss of dark details. Its getting better but still not the same level as LED or Plasma.
Lmao, OLED is literally, leagues better than plasma and Led, I still have my Kuro, my S95C destroys it easily, shadow detail, brightness, contrast, and it's 4K. A technology like LED, that uses a backlight, and Dimming Zones, could never match the infinite contrast, and true blacks of OLED, additionally, even the best MiniLeds still suffer from blooming and bad viewing angles...
I still own an LG Plasma from one of the last years they did them (it’s over 10 years old) and I would say it still beats most mid tier OLED’s in picture quality and definitely motion because of the refresh rate.
I still use a 50" LG plasma from 2012 and it beats all the cheap crap out there. When I can afford OLED I'll replace it ...someday.
I bought this exact Plasma back in November 2013. 51 incher. Paid $800. Mine didn't have the anti-glare film that the slightly better model had. It was actually my third choice as I had renovated my living room at the time, but it was the best I could get that my sound bar at the time wouldn't cut off part of the screen.
I am so glad I bought it. The glare drove me insane, but it gave me CRT vibes when playing older video games. I let my best friend keep it once I moved out of his place after living with him for a year from 2018 to 2019. He sold me his $4000 65" flagship Samsung TV from 2015 for only $400 when I moved out.
He's offered me my old TV back for free, and I am likely going to accept, simply because I only own one 3DTV (his $4000 2015 TV he sold me back in 2019 for $400. Samsung's last 3DTV, and it's amazing), and I am a HUGE 3D guy to this day. I want as many 3DTV's as I can get so I can "stock up" on them.
I’m still using two panny plasmas (UT 65 and VT 55) and enjoy them very much. Very natural colors and smooth motion. Once they die I will get the best oled available. Thanks for the great review.
But…. What if they never die?
@@ShotgunSandwichENT Then he'll have the best TVs ever made. Including today. Plasmas are still significantly better at motion, so depending on priorities (I prefer movies over slide shows) they still win. I wonder if any new tech will ever be as good... sure hope so.
My VT30 (50 inch) from 2011 also refuses to die, the full hd pictures stil pops today. .
One thing is for sure, Panasonic built tvs that last a long long time.
@@walterverbeeck6929 that was in the past ; now everything have downgraded life quality .
@@kadajawi6567 I’m sure things will continue to improve. And I agree there shouldn’t be any motion issues in 2023.
Thanks for the video. The absolute king of the hill for plasma technology was the Pioneer Elite Pro - particularly the last run that was a monitor only. I still have mine sitting in my office. The inky blacks on the Pioneer are just as good as my LG OLED C8. OLEDs are the closest we will ever get to the film like quality of a plasma. The clear advantage of the OLEDs is brightness and resolution, especially in HDR mode.
10:30 this is what I've been thinking for years. HDR is the biggest upgrade, sitting back on the couch I barely notice the higher resolution (beyond 1440p or so) but HDR and all the color/depth/highlights/etc. it brings is just awesome.
I still have 2 Panasonic Plasmas in my basement and love them. They don't do HDR but I don't miss it really.
I still have my 50" Panasonic PZ800U in the guest bedroom. Sold so many Panasonic and Samsung plasmas back in college at Circuit City. As much as I loved plasma back in the day, OLED is a far superior technology with HDR being the biggest jump in picture quality since HD arrived.
My step dad swears that his 12 year old plasma tv has better picture quality than my oled 💃
He needs to get his eyes checked. 😂😂😂
Plasma has a higher motion resolution ( doesn't blur as bad when the picture moves) than modern sample and hold displays, but it will be dimmer, and it will have inferior black levels.
It has better motion and better colors. At least comparing SDR. The way a plasma phosphor glows is different from how an led emits light. Just like a halogen bulb and LED light bulb is different.
He may have one of the Kuro's. 🤷♂️
@@paulcox2447 no way a plasma has better colors than a QD-OLED
Your dad needs glasses and possibly a psychiatrist 😂
Great comparison, which took me back in time. I bought my first 720p Plasma back in 2006. It was a Panasonic in 42 inch. That was a serious step up, comparing to my previous Grundig CTR TV. The colours, the clarity, the size ... yes, 42 inch was a massive size those days ... lol. In 2012 I got my second Panasonic Plasma in 50 inch with 1080p and 3D function, which was also a killer feature at that time. That was state of the art tech back then. After a few experiments with LED and QLED, I ended up very happy with an LG Oled in 77 inch and that could be the conclusion of my expensive but also exiting journey through the development of TV technology ... but I guess there'll still be more to come.
Very similar if not identical tv history.. I had a 42 in Panny which replaced a 36"Toshiba CRT. The 42 went to the bedroom when I got the 64 F8500, it the power supply didn't go out (2nd time) on the 64, I would still have it, loved that tv. Finally replaced that with a 77 C2 OLED in Jan.
Ahh, love this video! I still have a Panasonic plasma in my storage around here that I've offered to give away to a couple of people, but they never actually take it, and each time, I'm just SLIGHTLY happy that I still have it 😅 The good old 1080P blu-ray, PS3 days still bring back fond memories 🙂
We have a 60 in Samsung plasma tv for 15 yrs. i was told years ago that it would burn out although, at the time, several tv sellers I spoke with said they owned a plasma. Guests at our house always comment on how vibrant the picture looks. Not sure what to make of it all but the plasma is still going strong.
We have a 2012 64" Samsung flagship plasma with 10's of thousands of hours on it and although it definitely is not as bright as it used to be, the picture is still amazing.
It was used for gaming, watching movies, etc...my daughter has been the primary user for the /ast 3 - 4 years, and she loves it.
I have been using a 48" C1 as my PC monitor and multimedia screen since March 3/22 and I already have just over 7,000 hours on it...and I love it.
Having said that, every time I see my daughter gaming or watching something on the plasma, I am still impressed with how good it looks.
I would love to see where plasma would be at today, had it not been for the manufactures abandoning it.
I still have my Panasonic zt60..there was a period of time when it wasn't turned on for 8 years, which is why it looks fantastic today.
About 12 or 13 years ago I decided I wanted to try a plasma television. Back then the only manufacturer who sold plasma was Panasonic. I decided to get the 60” model and really liked it and kept it for 10 years. It was the only television I bought that wasn’t a Sony. Decided to get an OLED. And a couple years ago I bought a new Sony A80J, great television.
My 65" Panasonic plasma from 2009 is still going strong. I will upgrade one day, but not before it dies or lasts a full 20 years - whichever comes first.
Same for me, I got a Panasonic 50ST50 3D plasma back in 2012. I got a Sony 65" A80J OLED a couple years ago. But the plasma still works so I moved it to the bedroom. I have two sets of active 3D glasses for the 3D plasma TV, one is a Panasonic 3D glasses with rechargeable battery that came with the TV and another is a Samsung 3D glasses I bought at Best Buy back then and it uses a lithium battery cell.
@@donb7574 I’m still rocking my Panasonic 50ST50 and likely going to jump into a Sony or Samsung QD-OLED later this year. I love the motion but the Panasonic buzz on bright scenes and the 50” size is getting old. Any regrets or is anything worse on the oled vs. the plasma that your can share? I know the biggest difference will be HDR content but unfortunately there’s still a lot of SDR content and I feel plasma continues to be close.
Still rocking my 65zt60 in a dark room. I absolutely love it still, but I have said for a few years now, the LG OLEDs would be a step up. I remember debating between the Zt60 and the Samsung at the time. I believe the Pano was the better TV. Not as bright, but just perfect in ever other way. It also holds it's black levels with ambient light extremely well.
Yeah Pana and Pioneer plasmas musch better than samsung crap plasmas...
Still rocking my 60” Pioneer Kuro after 15 years. I have people regularly remark how nice the picture looks to this day. “It looks natural” they say, not realizing it’s an old plasma. It’s one of the best buys of my life. I’ve told myself I’ll replace it with an oled when they reach an affordable 100 inches.
Ditto. My 150FD is still amazing. This review should have used the Kuro. Mine also doubles as a room heater :)
This is such an awesome video! I feel like we take a lot of insanely cool tech and progress as granted without realizing just how much work goes into. The gap here is a decade? And the TVs are pretty close when accounted for the differences. But then also, what a difference do they have! It’s unbelievable! And also at much more reasonable prices compared to back then too for some insanely high end tech and picture quality. Hell you can an LG OLED from last year at 65” for under $1500. That’s insane considering the first ones were tens of thousands. We need more videos like this guys! Keep up the great work!
Plasma's motion resolution is simply awesome. And for SDR content, plasma is plenty bright, and the later models also get plenty black. So for SDR content, which is still the vast majority of content, I still find that plasma is somewhat better. Of course plasma doesn't do HDR at all, nor 4k, and input lag for gaming is dramatically worse, so as an all around tv for 2023 they're clearly worse. But for watching live sports or SDR movies they're still the best imo.
EL PLASMA SIGUE SIENDO EL MEJOR TELEVISOR DEL MUNDO..LA UNICA DESVENTAJA ES SU CONSUMO DE ENERGIA...
Pro tip: If you want a similar HDR effect on your plasma, just turn up the colour untill it is unnatural and over saturated 😅
i agree i still have panasonic 60u50 2012 60 inch i love still if not more than my lg c2 oled
My dad still has his Panasonic plasma from almost 20 years ago without a single sign of burn in or any dead pixels, amazing
I’m really enjoying these comparison videos. They are both interesting from a tech enthusiast perspective and informative from a practical buying perspective.
I still rock my Pioneer Elite Pro 151fd 60 inch. People still marvel at the picture quality. Note: we typically have a pretty dark room when we watch movies.
But I’m thinking of moving to an LG G3 77 inch this year. Since I don’t really watch sports, I think it will be a significant step up with the color depth, brightness, resolution, size and, yes, probably even noticeably better black levels.
Brian, I did the same a couple years ago...exactly your setup...you will not be disappointed.
I would wait until oleds are bigger and less chance of burn in until they have a warranty that covers that I’m not buying any oleds I went and bought a native 4K front projector because of size and no chance of burnin and don’t get rid of that plasma keep it till it doesn’t work
@@justincrossley1913 I have had plasma tv's for quite a while and have never seen an issue with burn in. I'm not saying burn in is not possible but in real world use it does not seem to be an issue. you can do some searches on TH-cam and find many videos that support this. While a 4K front projector is really great for size of screen, it really requires a dark room. that's just not realistic for many people.
@@justincrossley1913 LG G Series have always come with a 5yr warranty as standard that covers burn in.
@@justincrossley1913 Burn in is not an issue with LG OLEDs in real life. They still suck, but burn-in isn't the reason to avoid them. Also, plasmas do burn in.
If you watch movies, are sensitive to stuttering and dislike the soap opera effect, then stay with the plasma. If you can bear the stuttering, then switch. In all other aspects OLED is better. However, colors on those LG panels aren't particularly good, the plasma does better. QD-OLED doesn't have the same issues, though they are more prone to burn in.
Excellent comparison Caleb! I've compared Plasmas to oleds but never the Brightest plasma of all time .
The Samsung blacks are not that good so i would never chose that TV. Also the guy simply does not get that Plasma motion and naturalness outshines other flatscreen techs. It is not about the specs! Not even talking about lack of content and lack of decent motion on these UHD TVs.
I'd take a Pioneer Elite right now. Those things were amazing
Im still using my Panasonic ST50 60 inch plasma from 2012 and plan to until it dies. It still has a great picture and with out a OLED sitting next to it. It looks amazing the way it is.
As many have already said, Plasma today still excels at live sports. Given most live events are broadcasted at 720p and 1080i, the motion flow is superior to OLED. I just gave away a 65” Panasonic that listed at $4,000 in 2011. I miss it watching sports in my dedicated theater room. I now have a Sony 65” premium OLED and enjoy the limiter 4k soccer out of Europe but…. Saturday ND games will never be the same. Thanks for the great video.
Motion is even better on a CRT 😉
All Plasmas are 600hz, the technology wasn't available at the time to push it past 60hz.
Thanks for answering a question that I often thought about. Very entertaining and educational, too.
honestly, I had a plasma for years. it died end of last year and I have to get an OLED.
I know that the picture quality is better on my new tv, but if I could still get a plasma, I still would. I miss that TV. I like the look of it (maybe because I was used to it over the years).
I stuck with a 2009 720p plasma tv until 2016. Everyone here already had a 3D Full HD Smart LED but i still prefered my plasma because of its outstanding blacks and precise colours, it was unmatched. I hated that blueish blacks from the leds. Unfortunatly i had to sell it but it was still working beautifully.
Come man led tv is better
Going from plasma to LED is going backwards. It's literally a massive regression. I owned a Panasonic plasma for 12 years and bought a very expensive LED from the same brand to replace it. I couldn't believe how bad it was compared to plasma, especially the motion handling. I like to game from time to time, and the motion blur on a LED is nauseating. Plasmas on the other hand were incredibly smooth. I now have an OLED though, but even though it's technically superior, I still prefer a plasma.
@@sussybaka7198 Nice try troll.
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I still have my 51" Samsung 3D Plasma TV. It still works perfectly and looks gorgeous. No burned-out pixels or dimming that I can tell. The blacks are still great compared to my LCD TVs and projector.
I still have the Panasonic ZT65 which is arguably the best plasma ever made . I've been waiting for this comparison a long time. I want to see if it is now worth upgrading.
I own a ZT60 and will switch over to an OLED later this year when the prices come down on the LG and Samsung as the Panny is developing a slight green blob on the screen that's noticeable on single color background. I loved my ZT60, though!
I think it is. Panasonic were the best at making plasma displays. I wish I could have upgraded my panny 65in st50. Oh well, when it finally dies I’ll get my first OLED
Don’t do it. I have done it (buying a Sony A95K) and I regret it. Unless you like blurry motions, flickering and stuttering.
@@carveratutube that is interesting. I suppose you have experienced plasma and got used to it , it’s difficult to get used to Oled after plasma. Maybe I'll wait.
@@carveratutube yep. High contrast and high resolution means nothing if it looks artificial.
I just replaced a 50" Panasonic commercial plasma monitor with a S95B! It's definitely a different world, though the monitor had an HDMI module that plugged in so connectivity wasn't an issue. I do have a Samsung 3D plasma in the house but that developed horizontal lines across the screen so it's just gathering dust.
What a fun video, thanks! I loved my plasmas, but image retention took out both of them. Probably why I’m a little shy with OLED yet.
Just switched from one of the last kuro’s ever made to an lg oled. It has been the right time to upgrade. However the Kuro is still a beast that really holds up very well. However it’s a tough one the get sold on the second hand market.
My main tv is still a 55” Panasonic viera plasma. It looks great. I keep thinking it’s time to upgrade to 4k oled but it’s hard to justify when the Panasonic is still working perfectly well.
One thing to consider, is if you were in europe/UK and have to pay a fortune for electricity, then the plasma with typical use would be costing about £50-£100 more than an OLED.
my second hand Kuro will serve me for a long time. Only 768p but the motion clarity is unmatched, approaching CRT speeds. I also game a lot so this is the most important aspect for me.
I had a Panasonic TH-58PZ800U in my bedroom until this past December when I picked up a 55" LG B2. The plasma still displays a beautiful picture but the heat output was a bit ridiculous for use in a bedroom.
What's with the framerate? Did you accidentally export this in 14fps?
I thought it was just me!
Awesome video, been waiting for this comparison for a while. I still believe plasma tvs handle motion in a nicer way than oled, but that’s it. I had a Panasonic plasma 3D 2012 model and compared it to my Sony 2017 oled, the difference in black levels is quite a lot. Great video
Still rockin' a Panasonic ST60! Bought in 2014 for $1000 and still works and looks amazing. I think that the only way I would ever replace it would be if it ever quit working. This is also a 3D TV that came with 2 pairs of glasses.
Hey thanks for showing the comparison between the Plasma and the oled tv's. I currently own a Panasonic TCP65GT30 Plasma 1080p that I purchased June 6, 2011 and I have an LG 55" 4K model OLED55C8PUA that I purchased on May 01, 2019. I have surround sound systems attached to both televisions. I still love my Plasma TV and watch it all the time and also watch my Oled all the time. I have no problem going from one to the other and both provide me with a great picture. I would not mind a larger than 65 inch tv at some point in time but I have been so happy with the quality of my Plasma that I have not had the incentive to get rid of it. I do not use the smart features of either of these two tv's and rather go through an apple tv box so the interface is the same to me. I would imagine if I used the smart features of the LG tv that this would have a different feel for me. It also does not bother me that the Plasma is a 1080 p model vs the 4k on the OLED. I sit at a far enough distance that I cannot see the pixels. Both OLED and Plasma offer good pictures at off angles which is sometimes a bonus in the setup I have and tend to choose tv's that allow for viewing at different angles. Thanks for all the great videos. I enjoy your content very much.
Back in the day we had an LG plasma when digital TV was introduced in Australia. The picture quality was spectacular and I still think it was better than our current HD LCD screen, After a while it developed a problem with a vertical Pink line on screen. (The only way to remove the line was watch Spongebob for 15-20 minutes - the kids loved it). It was very warm to touch and prone to screen burn.
Pair a old plasma with a new Apple 🍎 tv 📺 and boom !
I still have this plasma tv! I have two lines of dead pixels but still going strong! Gaming is particularly fun!
I gamed on an F8500 for years, but man, that input lag is absolutely brutal. I'm critical of modern displays, but one thing that manufacturers have gotten right is prioritizing latency.
Funny enough I still have an F8500 in our living room and it still looks fantastic. Mine is calibrated to D65 standard and 1080p movies look great! I have the OLED in the bedroom and the HDR on that is game changing. Great video Caleb!
Honestly I think the debate should be the Panasonic zt60 instead of the samsung. I still daily my zt60.
if plasma then kuro
I've had a PANASONIC TC-P60ST60 for 10 years. Love it, Love it, Love it. Dreading the day it stops working. But watching Caleb's videos to be ready with a replacement.
this retro re-review is so cool. would love to see more of this now and then in the future. great job Caleb!
Rocking a Panasonic plasma here
Would love to see a comparison of the new TCL QM8 vs the OLEDS/QD OLEDS. See how Mini LED stacks up against the OLEDS!
I had burn in on my ZT60 and Best Buy gave me almost the full value in store credit for the F8500. It had great picture but I think the ZT60 had better blacks.
As I watch your video I'm looking at my 65' Panasonic last year of plasma production and am still amazed at the black level and color fidelity - and no burn-in. Every time I think of a new tv the rational side of my brain asks Why?
I never had the privilege of owning a plasma TV, but I have a couple of OLEDs. Plasma TVs were an amazing tech showcase when they hit the market, as they really brought the flat panel form factor into the premium market way before LCD finally caught up using FALD tech. I do kind of wander what would have happened if manufacturers had kept pushing the envelope of plasma tech...
Plasma is bad it is fat ,
oled perfect black
As engineers at Panasonic found, the trend in the TV industry of 2013 toward going to the adoption of 4k resolution as the new standard for consumer TVs, rendered plasma obsolete, because the tinier
pixels in a 4k display (and 4 times as many of them) compared those of a 1080p display, would make
a 4k plasma much dimmer than a 1080p plasma, unless some VERY expensive engineering would be built into a 4k plasma. And FORGET a 4k plasma ever having good HDR compared to an OLED. And maybe, THE factor that REALLY showed plasma engineers that the technology was doomed, was the fact that 4k plasma TVs would be so power hungry that they could NOT be sold in places like the state of California, where laws require that TVs must meet a minimal standard of electrical efficiency, so
they can be legally sold. So only some extremely expensive engineering solution to that power usage problem, could have enabled 4k plasmas to be sold in places like California. But such a solution for low energy efficiency, if used for 4k plasmas today, would make their prices MUCH higher than those of 2023's same sized OLEDs. And 4k plasma would still have LOUSY HDR ability compared to OLED!
So in a nutshell, I think that it WAS 4k which REALLY prevented Plasma TVs from having a FUTURE!
@@mrb0775actually they were going to make a 4K plasma. The industry actually paid them off to stop it because had they made a 4K plasma it would have been the best technology ever and the best picture. Regardless of the extra pixels drawing more energy they can just make a thinner screen. Even now a 1080p plasma still beats some 4K OLED tvs
@@sussybaka7198 The guy in the video choose a Plasma with lesser blacks and more brightness. There are actually Plasmas that get very close to OLED blacks but they do not use them in videos like this because the purpuse is to talk people into selling their Plasma and buy a OLED...it is all about money.
@@sussybaka7198 NO TIENES IDEA DE LO QUE ES CAPAZ UN PLASMA..ESPECIALMENTE PANASONIC..
I do look forward to one day upgrading to the latest and greatest OLED display. But as long as my now 14 year old 65" Panasonic plasma still puts pretty images on its very heavy glass I'll be happy to wait. I'm thinking it could hit 20 years of heavy service fairly easily and that's money saved in my book. It's already outlived the 27" CRT that it replaced back in 2009. Think of the display tech that will be available in 2030. Stuff that we're drooling over now will be much more affordable, if not laughable, and already way beyond what my video needs will ever be. I grew up with a 19" black and white RCA CRT as our main tv until I was nearly 10 years old. 85" 4k 120Hz OLED for less than $1k in the next 5 years? I can make that work, lol.
My 2007 Panasonic PZ700 is still going strong as the day I got it. Don’t have the heart to replace it as I can’t just throw it away when it is still working fine and doubles as a room heater in winter at 640 watts 😊 although the picture quality on the latest tvs is beautiful. One day.
Panasonic TH-58PZ800U still going strong! Gotta love the excellent viewing angles.