Orchid keiki Vs. new growth
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2016
- Since we were talking about Orchids with too many keikis, here is a video about the difference between a keiki and what we call a new growth on an orchid.
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A keiki is a baby plant created by an already mature, or close to mature orchid. It is by all means a stand alone plant that will produce all the structures necessary to live on its own when detached from the mother plant, given enough time to develop. Monopodial orchids such as Phalaenopsis, Vanda, Angraecum and Sedirea can produce keikis either from the axis, or from the flower spikes (Phalaenopsis case).
Sympodial orchids produce new pseudobulbs periodical as part of their growth pattern. A pseudobulb is not a stand alone plant, but rather another structure that forms an entire plant. Separated it cannot develop normally, if at all, as it depends on the mother plant and is connected to its growth. orchids like Cattleya, Gongora, Maxillaria and Oncidiums do not produce keikis, or at least it is extremely rare to see one. Some Sympodials however do produce keikis, such as Dendrobiums, Tolumnias, Psychopsis.
Here are some videos on growth patterns of several orchids:
Oncidium • Growth stages of Oncid...
Cattleya • Growth stages of Cattl...
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I was watching your other videos first and I was like "What's a cakey" lmao
I'm just learning about orchids and have just learned that I have 2 keikis growing off a tall spike on a Phalaenopsis plant that reflowered. I was so excited when it reflowered- but now I need to know what to do. Thanks for your informative videos.
one of my Phals is growing a Keiki for the first time. It's the first one that's done this. I think it's because of the new watering system I started last November. Your videos have really helped.
Preparing to separate my first keiki's from my Dendrobrium, thanks for this primer
I LOVE your videos! Just getting into orchids and I find your videos and knowledge so very, very helpful. THANK YOU!!!
I have a keiki!!!!!! On the flower stalk. I recognized what it was because of this channel!
Drake: keiki do you love me, are you riding. Say you'll never ever leave
I'll leave now
I love this comment so much. Also, thank you @MissOrchidGirl. Thanks to you I'm a proud orchid mama.
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Thank you😊☺
Really great video. Thanks.
Very helpful
What about a video specific to caring for a phalaenopsis orchid that is growing a keiki on one stalk? My phalaaenopsis orchid developed a keiki late last fall. It does not have roots yet and I understand that could take 2 years. In the meantime do I cut the other flower stalk that just dropped it's last flower. And, during this time do I refrain from repotting? I have somehow managed to keep this orchid alive for SEVERAL years despite having no clue what I was doing. Now that I have found your site I know what I'm doing and I am so grateful. I would like to be able to get the keiki to a point where I can remove it and pot it and give it to my daughter. She purchased this orchid for me several Mother's Day ago. Seems like a great circle to complete. Thank you so much for your videos they are extremely helpful!!!
Great video
oooh thank you so much! i wasn't sure if my dendrobium was pushing up a new growth or a keiki! now i know she is making a new cane! :)
Mellie that's what I was looking for as well when I found this video. Looks like I'm gonna be a Grandma 😊
@@klee9016 I'm now grandmother of quadruplets😁
Need one for phalianopsis... but very interested none the less!
Wow I love your miltassia Shelob it looks so amazing! I have one but it's still a seedling so I'll have to wait a few more years. Great video!
Thanks, it's one of my favs and has better color this year actually than when I bought it :)
cool!
I always love your videos! So much information. My dendrobium has a keiki on it. Do I have to remove it? I’m going to search more of your videos to see if you have an answer. It’s on there very tightly, the roots are really coming out well but I’m afraid to separate it.
How am I only just discovering you now? You're voice is so calming! Xx
I have been listening to Danny for months and Danny you have made me an orckid lover. Before I listened to you I kill 3 orckids because I over water them. But when I found you I have 50 orckids. All sorts. And the Pham are my least favorite! Well it was nice to write you. I would love to come visit! Lisa Pitmam
Hi, glad you enjoy my videos :D
I acquired a orchid from my daughter 6 months ago. It has put on 3 sets of leaves. Iwatched a couple of your videos . Now I have twin babies, and twin flowers. What do I do next? How big do I let them get? Truly amazing!
Dani - other than time and waiting it out is there any other way to tell a basal keiki from a flower spike early on?
@MissOrchidGirl I been looking into orchids and would like advice on if a west facing window would be alright for a Phalaenopsis type
Great (y)
What type of orchid is the last one shown in the video? It was so beautiful!
Do I have to wait for my orchid to finish flowering b4 I apply the keiki paste?
Would have liked a picture of each structure root, keiki, or flower stalk to know the difference. .
I have a Dendrobium "Green Dragon". It is now producing 2 flower buds on one cane and below them, on the same cane, there is a Keiki forming. Might the Keiki inhibit the development of the flowers?
What is your education/background? You are super knowledgeable; a botanist or some such? Thanks!
Hello, MissOrchidGril! Thanks a lot for all the information. I have another question: I have 3 orchids (phalanenopsis). One of them gave 2 keiki, later died (I think that is my problem with watering), but now the other orchid also produces keiki! Is that normal? Am I doing something wrong if everyone produces keikis? They bloomed, flowering lasted almost 5 months, beautiful. And now keikis :(
Hi Danny, I have a phalaenopsis which has a new growth halfway up its stem, between two leafs of the main stem and no roots of its own but clearly it is a new plant with a stem of its own. Should I cut it off the mother plant and try to have it develop roots of its own and what are its chances of survival ? Thanks Danny.
I still don't understand what are those green sprouts at the end of some roots. My orchid's roots are sprouting and idk what that means.
I am trying to sort out my Granny's orchid and have got addicted myself! Was wondering if you have any advice on what to do about a baby plant growing on a cut flower spike - It has no roots yet but has 1 leaf sitting in the air!!
Hello
My Orchid has 3 Keikis on top of each other. I don't know where to cut it. I really want to send you a picture so you can help as this Orchid is really important to me and i dont want to cut them incorrectly. Thank you so much 😊
Hi Danni! Thank you so much for making this video. I do have another question now, though. LOL. My mini phaeleonopsis is growing/has sprouted a keiki. Is that a good thing or does it take away from the original plant? Also, how do I know when it is time to separate the two, and how do I do that without harming either?
Thank you again, I love your videos.
Tracy (Canada)
Hi Tracy, well one or even 2 keikis are ok on one orchid, they should develop ok while the mother plant will grow normally (if she is healthy). More than that could become problematic and producing keikis every year again keeps the orchid from fully recovering.
If i cut the KeiKi and grow separate ,will it Survive ?
I have an orchid and it looks like it is growing a keiki, but I'm not sure. Where can I send you a picture at so you can look at it?
Hi Danny. I have a dendrobium nobile with 2 keikis, they only have aerial roots. The plant also has these little green bulbs (not sure if it’s flower bulbs). One keiki produced a flower but it dried out. The problem is I should really change the medium, I’m afraid it’s infected with those little flies. I’m not sure if I should separate the keikis they look very good now on the mother plant. It’s one of my first orchids (I already killed one unfortunately) so I’m just learning now from the beginning from your videos. Your videos are brilliant and they turn mistery into sense so it’s great help, thank you. I will try to paste few pictures here of my plant,not sure if it will work.
Ok I can’t see an option to insert pictures, how could I share pictures with you?
Hi danny (sorry about spelling?)
What orchid is that at 15 seconds onward in your video? I’d love to purchase one someday. Also, congrats on your partnership with reporte.com. I love their products, I use their plastic orchid pots and use their Phal Monterey dark imperial orchid mix and have great success with leaf and root growth and overall plant success with nice blooms. Thanks for taking the time to read this and for your response. Much appreciated from Idaho, USA.
So the phlylenopsis get Keikis on their canes?
Hello, I have some weird things going on with my orchid. It is just a phalenopsis. I can not tell it is have a kekie or a new growth happening. It is going fast considering. And this is on an orchid I thought I killed back in the summer. Do you have a more up to date understanding of new growth and kekie
so a keiki is a new leaf at the top of a flower spike on a node?? i think i have one. i have a phalenopsis
Is there any way I can send you a pic of my orchid? She is a phalaenopsis, and I'm not sure of she is producing a new growth or a keiki. It does not seem to have it's own roots.
Thanks for a great video! Would love to see demo of separating keiki from mother plant...I don't *think* I see one in your channel video history...
She did a video where she separated a Keiki from a phalaenopsis
Ok I'll take a look again, thx.
Hi, here is the video th-cam.com/video/sIWxb3Lo3xM/w-d-xo.html I need to redo it though, my camera stopped working at some point but hope it helps :)
Thx so much!
Dani- that is the orchid species at the beginning of the video?!?
I have a phal that has a little baby looking plant growing beside it. I am not too sure if it is a baby or a new growth but it doesn't seem to be attached to the stem of the mother plant. I have been thinking of repotting this particular orchid but so scared that if the little plant is indeed another orchid growing, I might kill it.
Hi Danni, I have been encouraging my phal to produce a keki, after all of my flowers fell off. I placed keki paste on a node. However it grew a flower branch instead. But the first node on the branch grew a leaf. Wanting my orchid to focus on the keki, I cut the flower branch so it could grow better. And the leaf is growing and getting bigger. Just the one leaf right now. However my orchid seem to determine to grow more flowers. It has created another flower stem connected to the leaf. I really don't want my orchid to get too stressed out growing a keki a flower spike and a leaf on the mother plant. Is this behavior normal and should just let the orchid do what she wants or should I intervene somehow?
Hi Craig, well as far as I've seen from other people using the keiki paste, it doesn't always induce keikis, actually maybe 50% of the times or less. It can induce indeed other spikes and some people even had deformed spikes. I think you should let this one do what it wants and if you want try the paste on a different orchid :)
Hi New subbie, and Orchid mommy🤗
Hey, congrats and welcome to my channel :D
I have this theory in my head (which means unproven), that all "keikis" and "new growths" are homologous structures and developed their differences through divergent evolution; they have a common origin. And perhaps monopodial orchids are just sympodial orchids that have selected (through time) to produce fewer and fewer "new growths" and many of them just have that part of the gene turned off. #Ishouldreallyspendmoretimeactuallyworkingthandaydreaming
Hi Trac, well I don't think you are that far from the truth, there has to have been a common ancestor at some point before all the diversity, but I am not sure which one was first, the monopodal or sympodial :P that's a good topic to research thanks!
I have a den phal I've been struggling with. When I bought it in February all its roots were desicated so I cut them off, and it still hasn't grown any. But one cane produced 2 basal keikis which look great. Another cane has an available eye at the base which hasn't done anything and a keiki came out of the top, in between the leaves, where a flower spike should have grown. I let this go for awhile, but then that cane started losing its leaves, until there was only one left. So I removed that keiki and potted it. The leaf is still left, so I'm glad I removed the keiki. However, I'm having trouble keeping this keiki moist enough. I know it was probably too young to remove, but it had good roots and I was worried for it and the mother plant that its growth at the top of the cane would kill them both. Any suggestions on how I can save this baby plant? Also, the mother plant still has no roots, and the leaf on the cane I was talking about is actually the only leaf the entire plant has left. Do you think it will recover? Or is it pretty much just an energy source for the keikis at this point?
Hi, sorry to hear about your dendrobium, it's hard to tell how depleted he is so as long as there s still some green to it (even without leaves) let it be, it might start to grow when he is ready. If not, no worries, it just happens and it will teach you something new for the future. About the keiki, using loose sphagnum moss might help it stay moist for longer, what medium are you using now?
I have it in a combination of bark chips and sphagnum moss in a tiny little clay pot.
Will keikis separate from the mother on its own over time?
Don't forget the bulbils that can be confusing for a beginner also.
My Orchid grew a flower spike in the middle of the plant where the leaves grow out .. and then in the middle of the spike there is a leaf .. no roots just a small leaf and this spike has been blooming for 1 and a half years straight. 4 on the way now again.
idk what is going on lol
Hi, well it's not uncommon for Phalaenopsis :) a spike in the middle of the crown is called a terminal spike, it usually means that the orchid cannot grow anymore leaves, but it will try to produce a keiki, either on a spike, either basal. Leaves on spikes are not uncommon either, they are undeveloped keikis, but I bet the orchid will try to make a keiki somewhere due to the terminal spike :)
awesome thank you so much!!! I really hope the orchid grows one!!!! :):):)
I just looked it up and its exactly what it is :D
Glad to help :)
Hi Danny, I have a problem with my orchid. A year ago my new leaf had grown through the old one (it ripped apart the middle of the old leaf) and it couldn't develop properly. So I decided to cut both the leafs out. After a while some new growth started to develope between two leafs. I thought it was a keiki but now I'm not sure. It looks like it couldn't be separated from the mother plant (it is connected to the mother plant with a whole surface not just some stem that could be cut off). Where can I send you photos? Thank you ☺
Hi, a photo would be great so I can understand better the situation, just upload a picture to photobucket, flickr, instagram, imgur or g plus and share the link in a comment here, I'll take a look :)
I have sent you on Instagram DM. Thank you so much ☺
I think im about to have twins form my phalaenopsis..
My fiance and I raid the trees in search of dying orchids from construction sites, roads, cut trees etc. and rescue them. We recently rescued a huge phalaenopsis that seems to have fallen from a tree as it was still attached to a branch piece. It has 4 leaves, one yellowing, another detached 1/2 from the base but looks alive (and is actually the bigger leaf) and 2 more leafs that are missing half (seemingly eaten by a bug) it has an underdeveloped spike and seems to be growing a new leaf. Care to assist on how I could help her heal? I simply cleaned the rotten roots and covered them with plastic wrap (with holes) and placed it in a plastic basket (similar to laundry basket but smaller) I don't wanna remove the half detached leaf as it seems still alive and is the only leaf that is complete, if it wasn't half detached from the base that is. Thanks!
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That's a pic of her, she's our rescue number 5 I call her Gaja (elephant in Sanskrit) as she has huge elephant 'ears' 😄
How and when is it safe to separate the keiki from mother plant?
Hi, wait for the keiki to have 3-4 roots of about 6-10 cm (2-4 inches) and then you can separate it ☺️
danny should i get a phal bellina or gigantia
Urm i know that thank u just wanted her approval i have been watching here since urm the time which she has a lot of phals
well it's all up to you, which one do you like best? do you want more fragrance than colors?
I think my baby is having a baby!
I heard that a keiki is a mature plant in miniature size, so they may produce flowers in a year, in the opposite of a baby orchid that may take years to reach maturity and flower. Is that true?
Hi, well.. yes and no :) a keiki benefits from water and nutrients from the mother orchid, so it grows faster and it blooms faster yes. A seedling needs to go through all growth stages alone, with no help from any mother plant, and that takes a much longer time. Also a keiki doesn't have to grow from a minuscule seed indeed, so some steps are skipped ;)
MissOrchidGirl How long does it take for the keiki to mature enough to be seperated from the mother, in average? I just discovered one... 😊
I am looking for the answer through your helpful videos, so far I just discovered the keiki origins...
They should breed orchids for their keiki. They should make them make more keike.
Can the keiki develop from the crown of a Phal? I have one that started growing what I thought was just new leaf growth that was small due to set back, but it grew multiple small leaves very quickly. Now it is developing roots from one leaf below the crown. Could this be a keiki? It appears as if I could separate this growth from the rest of the plant very easily and it would have its own root system. If this is a keiki and I do separate it, what would happen to the "mother" plant since this came from the crown?I know that's a lot of questions. I'm new to orchid growing and had never heard of keikis (in spite of all the books I've read) until I came across your video. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us. All of your videos have really helped me. Keep up the good work.
Yes, that can happen. The mother plant will unfortunately not produce any more growth, I believe, because that sounds like what's called a terminal spike. Orchids grow leaves on top of each other and once something else grows from the top of the leaves, the plant can no longer produce a new leaf. It's a natural occurrence but rare. If you haven't separated them yet, I would wait until the keiki roots are developed (as you said they might be already). Then plant it in the same pot as the mother plant until it's ready to be potted independently.
Thanks for the feedback. I thought that might be the issue.
Orchid Keiki
You stole the idea from me hahahaha. I was planning on making a video about this very subject for my own channel.
As you said, some orchids cn create strange things that aren't really keikis nor new growths. I've seen Prosthechea cochleata grow these things on top of the pseudobulb, just like you commented on the Oncidiums.
No problem, you can definitely make your own video on the topic, all opinions and experiences are different :)
That's totally true. Specially since my channel is in spanish.
Leafy...
+Leonard Wenk he's not here :))
I’m confused now.