Why The Dark Side Itself HATED the Death Star - Star Wars Explained
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Reminds me of when Sidious told Vader that he wished not to rule over an Empire of the Dead. The Dark Side is all about power and control. But even the Dark Side needs life in order to bring about its chaos
Indeed.
The Dark Side is wielded to dominate both life and death.
There was one sith during the Republic Dark Age who just wanted everyone/thing dead, actually. His name was Odion and he was frickin crazy lol. Needless to say, he didn’t succeed
Necromancer would like to have a word
Also Darth Nihilus, man was his own Death Star
@@Interdacted except Nihilus was a living wound in the force, which is why he didn't care if he destroyed entire planets.
Darth Vader did warn tarkin and the other imperial officers not to be to proud of this mechanical monstrosity they have built
Thank you that's exactly what I was about to say.
When the baby killer calls you a monster, you messed up.
@@jtjames79 in his defense even maul said he wanted to die if fucking maul wants to die cause of how the empire is the kids would have been hanging like coats on a coat rack 10 months into the empire anyway while suffering before their death
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet, or even a whole system, is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader, A New Hope
@@twinodoom Yeah, but blowing up a whole planet has a bit more "oomph" than most Force abilities we've seen.
@@josephmort4039 ...Nihilus and Valkorion (Tenebrea/Vitiate) entered the chat....
Dang, adds a whole new layer to:
“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror which you’ve constructed, the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.”
I always wondered what Vader ment by that. Now it makes sense, anything that upsets “the Balance” is seen as a threat by the Force. Thus the Force destroys it.
@@underworldguardian704 I think he foresaw the death star being destroyed by a force sensitive person
@@MrCharrrles I doubt he foresaw it as opposed to knowing that it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that it could happen.
He knew SYSADMIN Force wasntt going to permit that thing’s continued activity. He predicted accurately enough it would gets deleted.
@@underworldguardian704 Darth Kreia was right
Damn, you know you messed up when both the Light and Dark Side Hate your invention (Looking at you Sidious)
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As stated by Yoda, the Force comes from Life. Life nurisihes it, makes it grow, if I recall correctly. The Force could not exist without life, nor could life exist without the Force. As long as life continues, the Force can grow, so on an individual level, the Force cares not who lives and dies, as long as the enviroment continues living. A superweapon like the Death Star wipes out that enviroment in a single instant, to such an extent where life simply cannot continue, nor grow again. This is the wound in the Force Stupendous Wave talks about. So you can have all your fancy lightsaber battles that you want as long as it's small groups who die and not the *entire planet*.
The Dark Side may be about change, but it certainly as hell does not wish to *stop existing*.
Of course, then we get to the Yuuzang Vong which kind of throws a monkey wrench into the above statements, so do with it as you will.
iirc the Vong were cut off from the force because of their behavior, so if thats right the force didnt like them either
@@marsar1775 To be honest, I am not very familiar with the Yuuzang Vong myself. Other than that they were very much in biological manipulation (comparisons to using Sith Alchemy to reshape the living might be apt here), a huge anti-technological stance and an immunity or great resistance to the Force, I haven't read much lore of them.
I recall them being 'rejected' or 'jettisoned' from the Force, but more as a backup plan to replace life in case the infighting between the Light and Dark sides caused a massive extinction (... caused by superweapons like the Death Star?), rather than something the Vong themselves did. I thought they were more or less left to their own devices by the Force.
Perhaps I should seek out a holocron of Stupendous Wave dealing with these beings, if one exists.
@Nic Beings like that (cut off from the force) is what Sith Lord Darth Traya(Otherwise known as Kreia) wanted for all living things. She believed that the force would be unable to influence people's lives if everyone was cut off from it
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In fairness that might may be for the better.
Idk. The philosophy of Kreia said that life could exist without the force and that the exile was living proof of this. Once she realizes life could continue without the force, she sought to destroy the nature of the force itself in a final battle with the exile.
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." Vader was always critical of the plan to build the first Death Star, and even back before all the other lore was added, when it was just Star Wars, Vader knew that the Force was significantly stronger than the station.
Something that just struck me when reading your comment, Vader especially knows this to be true because he's living proof. Following his defeat on Mustafar, Vader relies on mechanical parts to stay alive and thus his force potential was greatly reduced. He's partially thinking about what he could've been if he didn't need the suit.
It sucks that legends and the non-film canon lore always show Vader as this unstoppable Sith. They miss the point of his defeat, they miss the point of why Sidious wanted Luke instead of Vader.
@@asmrreviews8979 To be fair, Vader as a true Sith was nearly unstoppable. Despite his limitations, he was still immensely powerful in the Force. The few canon times Vader did lose was because of interactions that forced Anakin's life to resurface in his thoughts. Anakin was always the Achilles Heel of Vader. Yes, Palpatine wanted Luke, but until he first learned of Luke, he settled on Vader for lack of anywhere near as much Force potential in anyone else in the Galaxy. Which is why Yoda knew Luke and Leia had to be hidden from the Empire. If Palpatine knew they were alive, he absolutely would've kidnapped one or both as infants, and raised them as a true Sith.
@@tromedlovdrolmai I guess that's where I disagree. If Palpatine knew of Padme's medical condition, then I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have known about the kids too.
Sidious wasn't going to take the time to train a kid when he had just become emperor. So, he waited to see which one showed the most potential before making a move. Exactly the same way he watched Vader's career "with great interest" before trying to convert him.
Sidious would've kept this knowledge from Vader for three reasons: 1. He views familial love as a weakness. 2. He knew that Vader would want to overthrow him with Luke (he was right of course). 3. If Sidious (and/or Plagueis) was responsible for Anakin's conception, then he would've truly believed that Luke was his to control.
@@asmrreviews8979 the things is in the Canon EU Palpy used an force Ability called Essence transfer to keep Annikan Alive the Reason why Padme died was because Palpy stole her life force
Palpatine made Death Star to destroy planets, Darth Nihilus didn’t need a super weapon to destroy planets, he only needed the force
"LOOK AT WHAT THEY NEED TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER!"
He devour it more then he used it. Nilhilus effectively had became a blackhole in the force.
Like Vader said “the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force”
Nihilus couldn't destroy planets. All the people on them, sure, but he couldn't make a planet explode. And that was always a bit shaky, considering he couldn't do anything to the fleet you lead against him. Kotor 2 was a brilliant mess.
Later in Dark Empire, Palpatine was able to cripple planets with his force storms.
"The dead don't suffer" that's why the dark side hated the Death Star
Also you can't kill that which is dead.
What is dead may never die 😄
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough You can't torture something that's already dead.
Dark and Light are simply two aspects of the same thing, the mass destruction of life isn't just a problem for the light it hurts the dark aspect equally.
Suffering, in a way, affirms life. Pain reminds us we are alive. Suffering brings truths.
The Death Star was just a giant expensive target with not nearly enough defense. Blown up twice by a bunch of teenagers.
It had enough to take on a conventual enemy fleet but was run with incompetence... Like takin should have drowned the rebel star fighters with his own... But he was over confident the turbo lasers had them covered for some reaosn...
I heard blowing that thing up was like shooting womp-rats in Beggar’s Canyon.
I think Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles were a little older than teenagers when they blew up the Death Star in ROTJ.
Most of the Saudians who carried out the 9/11 attacks were also quite young. Nothing can destructively hate quite like a young man can. I'd be more impressed if the Death Star was taken out by a bunch of geriatrics.
Palpatine: “That thing wasn’t even fully paid off yet!! Do you…… do you have any idea what this is gonna do to my credit?”
All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
Maybe this is why the darkside of the force needed to intervene. It does not want the galaxy corrupted by such devastation, where nothing but devastation rules.
It should also be noted that {and I cringe to say this} in the Disney Trilogy both Starkiller base and the Sith Fleet were both destroyed shortly after they were discovered. Even Lord Momin whom was a devout follower of the Dark Side made this error, causing his downfall. A man whom followed the will of the Dark Side unlike many Sith even of his era.
The biggest issue the force has with the Death Star is it’s vast waste of life. Whether from the firing of the super weapon or the space station exploding
And yet they kept making the damn thing like it's Warhammer 40K levels of easy to do.
It’s crazy to think about the logistics of simply just manufacturing the Death Star (let alone 2 of them). Just imagine the amount of metals needed just to create an artificial moon. Let alone all the other materials needed for the completion of said project. Therefore it makes sense that the ‘force’ would be opposed to something so universally out of balance.
The Death stars were so big I imagined they had their own gravity but they would still need artificial gravity to simulate 1 G.
Sci-fi fans trying to understand the scale on just how big a galaxy truly is.
Impossible challenge.
@@marrqi7wini54 Yep. Assuming there’s around 100-200 billion planets in the galaxy, they would have nearly infinite raw materials/natural resources.
@Hawk66100 a fully populated galaxy can probably crowdfund an artificial moon from the citizens of one backwater system lol
@@marrqi7wini54I think the Science Fiction that understood resource and scale best was Trek (not new Trek).
The purpose of the force is to evolve life. The light side brings stability for life to nurture. The dark side brings challenges so life doesnt fall into stagnation.
I really like that analogy. That means that the Dark Side is not inherently evil, but addictive which can lead to evil.
The idea that the Force is this omnipresent entity trying to maintain its version of "balance" is one I'd love to see toyed with more. Everyone and their existence in the Star Wars Universe are completely subservient to its will, even the most powerful people and weapons are helpless against its power. Almost like an eldritch entity that has complete control, but for some reason, is either incapable, unable, or unwilling to achieve its ultimate goal of "balance." Whatever that balance may be.
I believe this information makes Palpatine look even stronger as a Sith as in both Canon and legends he almost got away with super weapons on a scale unlike any other.
This ain't anything new lol
Seriously, how many super weapons did the Empire churn out in Legends ffs? World Devastator. Galaxy Gun. Sovereign and Eclipse class SSDs. Sun Crusher. Eye of Palpatine. Death Star Prototype. I know I'm missing quite a few.
@@DanteYuy Palpatine certainly felt it was his God given right to have super weapons and rule the galaxy based solely on fear despite the Dark(And light) sides say on the matter.
Haven't watched yet, wanted to comment my guess on the title. The death star used kyber, which were force sensitive, so they felt the dark side and connected to the dark side in the kyber users. Also, it killed force users en masse, so it robbed the dark side of potential users. The dark side is the path to power, the force is power, the death star let non dark side users desecrate kyber and force sensitives. Making the dark side want its power and sway back over the galaxy
Death Star was an alternative to the force or even mass wipeout of planets. The dark side wasn’t impressed. But Anakin was evil and the super weapon was used for fear instead of using the force a lot. It was enough for the dark side to recede after it’s first test or use.
The Sith pretty much made a tradition out of desecrating Kyber crystals and Force Sensitives though.
@@dungeonguy88 The kyber crystals, yes.. But the thing with the sith was the concept of "survival of the fittest", or perhaps that the fit shall rule.
Which means that while you aren't to question the authority, on the opposite side of the coin it means if you question it but then win - you become the authority.
The Force could use this methodology to control who - specifically - is allowed to rule the Sith. Someone causing a little too much trouble? Well, a few midichlorians here, a few traumatic events there.. Badabing badaboom, we have a rival to overshadow and bring down this tyrant!
@@krel7160 Survival of the fittest isn't exactly the ideal of the Sith.
That would imply that they place a higher value on actually being superior to the one they topple. When in truth, the greatest weakness of the Sith is that they only care about seizing power. Through any means.
The most present example is Darth Sidious with his own Master Darth Plagueis. Darth Plagueis was arguably more powerful in the Force and in general. But Sith ideals compelled Palpatine to poison Plagueis the moment he let down his guard.
The Sith aren't just meant to question the authority of their Masters, but to actively undermine it. To get away with everything they can, and suffer for any failures.
Not only did the Force hate the Death Star, it hated Sidious too. The Force hated Darth Sidious so much, it ultimately betrayed him. In both Legends and Disney Sidious was betrayed by the very thing he worshipped and manipulated. The Force is a living thing that controls all.
There are several series of books by Jeff Wheeler, that while not an exact 1:1 comparison, I think embodies an excellent example of the Force. In these books there is a power know as "The Fountain" it encompasses everything (similar to the force) and guides those who can hear it to do great things. These "Fountain Blessed" are fairly similar to the jedi of the Star Wars universe but have more specialized powers.
Anyway, the Fountain is neither good nor evil, but does not align itself with those who have used its gifted powers (or powers obtain through other means) for evil purposes. When something like that happens. A person becomes corrupted by their power as king, or a Fountain Blessed abuses their powers, the Fountain would seek to rebalance things. Guiding someone who seeks to do good in the world to help and bring balance.
Reminds me a bit of the Philosophy of Kreia. Creating echos in the force.
Of all the super weapons of the dark side, the star forge is something i enjoyed
The star forge could also be the reason why the Rakata lost their ability to wield the Force. The Force might have caused that mutation in the disease infecting the Rakata which took away their connection to the Force and the dark side. iirc there were multiple Star Forges at the peak of the Rakatan Empire
@@jaredevans8263 makes way too much sense and explains why revan destroyed this ingenious piece of rakatan tech
@Timothy Vera yes I agree. The Star Forge used tremendous amounts of Force energy to create ships and equipment from star matter. The Force is an energy field that has to maintain life and everything else since it "bonds the galaxy together". The Star Forge(s) drawing up so much Force energy and star matter of all things so quickly likely weakened the Force as a whole, which is likely what Revan understood about it and laid the star forge to rest
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the force." - Darth Vader
An observation embodied by this video's subject matter.
I like this. "although i pulled the trigger, it was the force that ultimately rid the Galaxy of the deathstar" as basically the same thing happened when Lando destroyed the 2nd deathstar, just becore it was able to be used again.
As Yoda said of the Force, "Life creates it, makes it grow." He was speaking of the Force in its entirety, not one Side or the other.
Nihilus wasn't just a wound in the force, he was a rot. A simple wound exists in a localized area, and it remains in a constant state. Nihilus was like gangrene, in that he moved about the galaxy and caused more wounds like an infection in the force. He was a walking disease to the force. Btw "nihil" is latin for "nothing", which is what would've become of the galaxy if Nihilus was allowed to live.
Vader: we made this massive musk weapon that can blow up planets.
Dark side: bruh Wtf man.
light side: don't worry fam i got you!, *sips* "now watch this drive"
Yoda explained it far more easily - the Force needs life to exist. Even the Dark side. Destroying entire planets weakens the Force, light side and dark. It is as if we would start eradicating entire species that we depend on for food.
Indeed.
Planets steeped in the Dark Side were still very much teeming with life. The Dark Side was deeply entrenched into the fabric of Dathomir, and it was full of different creatures and life.
All of those creatures were awful and life was miserable there, but it was very much alive.
i think the star forge could also be used for good, if it wasn't corrupted by the darkside it could be used to do so much good from building civilizations destroyed from war and natural disasters, same with the world devestators.
It reminds me of empires that become too powerful, they always eventually fall
You can put Vitiate/Valkorion/Tenebrae in this category. as we see even in the end the force put a stop to him. Edit I posted this before you mentioned him.
For some weird reason, I actually liked the Death Star...as well as all the other super weapons that the Empire created.
I always wonder what would become of the galaxy if Kreia's plot to "kill the Force" or "deafen the galaxy to the Force" had have succeeded.
I was surprised it wasn't mentioned (Though explaining it would add 30min to the video)...but Kreia's interpretation of the force seems to me to be a parallel of the real physical forces that govern our universe (a la Determinism)...we never seem to be in control, there is always some deeper and more basic forces in the chain of causality that creates the universe and manipulates the things we see. It almost becomes a perfect parallel when we look into things like quantum mechanics and find that we cannot make sense of the rules...is there a controlling influence behind that level? How would we know even if we could find it? It's the question we've been struggling with since the dawn of philosophy, "What is existence, is there something beyond the universe we experience?" The force is very real in Star Wars, so is there anything beyond that? (We could get into the original conception of the Book of the Whills, but that's a whole other discussion...lol...)
@@42Mrgreenman See! Now THIS is comment section discussion! Well said and well written. To be sure. I am only vaguely aware of the concepts of Quantum Mechanics and Science, but what I do know fascinates me. These are the things that occupy my waking mind. I have little care for the machinations of the ant like creatures I share kinship with as of late. Busy little drones chasing money and never thinking beyond the material and physical. But I digress. Great comment! 😊
the force must of absolulty despised starkiller base than
Honestly this just proves that Palpatine is one of the most evil individuals in fiction.
This sounds like it can be compared to Order 66 which I think was a huge wound in the force. It changed the galaxy in a fairly short time.
I think that Order 66 is more of a series of very small wounds, and then a redistribution of the Light Side. Lots of powerful people dying in a very short time causing the wounds, but they were spread over the entire galaxy causing a series of minor injuries. Similar to how the Death Star was a sword that could remove limbs, Order 66 was a bed of nails causing minor injuries in multiple places simultaneously.
So, we learned from Luceno's book that the Kyber crystals were attuned to the Force, in fact, they got their power amplifying ability from the force. From other sources we also know that they are aligned with the light side of the force as the Sith need to make the kyber crystals bleed in order to create their red-colored lightsabers. So the question is, if the Force hated the Death Star so much, why did it not make the kyber crystals in the superlaser fail and explode? Bang, two birds with one stone - Alderaan saved, superweapon destroyed. I know, Ep IV would have been kinda lame with the superlaser sputtering and dying...
Also, the Force is kinda hypocritical...
Villain: Imma just smash this planet and maybe dat one too....
Force: No, you cannot snuff out life in an eyeblink on such a massive scale like that. Dat wounds me... and I get pissed and you don't want me get pissed
Villain: Damn... then Imma kill them by the million... is dat okay?
Force: Fine, go ahead.
Kreia had a good reason to hate the Force. Its efforts to rebalance itself cost trillions of lives even without superweapons and planet consuming Force users like Nihilus.
Glory to the light side!🌅 Glory to the holocron archives!🙏
"Death cannot reign in a world without Life!" -Mortanius
Or in the case of Star Wars: "Death cannot reign in a Galaxy without Life/Force!"
In case of the death star there might have been something else - basically the super laser was based on Kyber crystals - crystals that were gathered and then perverted to create the weapon - bascially a light side crystals used as tools for evil purpose - this alone might have been enough to make the force despise the deathstar due to that reason.
I would think it would spring from a jealousy thing:
The Dark Side would want to tease you with that power, with visions of it to make you embrace. The idea that any person could just flip a switch and gain that strength would be considered anathema.
The Darkside is part of the living force. Explains everything. Living force.
I think this was George Lucas’ intention from the beginning. Back when it was just “Star Wars” and nothing else, we get the “Don’t be so proud of this technological terror you have constructed, the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force.” line. Even Vader knew that the Death Star was doomed to fail, it was an affront to all living things, and there for, the Force itself. The Force, Dark Side included, needs life to exist. And even though the Dark Side loves chaos and change, it doesn’t want to, you know, *stop existing*
You know why the super weapons are promptly and conveniently disposed short after they are created? Because the writers wanted to keep writing.
that and ancient super powerful weapons being forgotten to time and possibly still being out there is a super cool idea that adds intrigue and a sense of the great unknown for the galaxy.
It's also a trope in historical warfare. Super weapons tend to attract attention and not last long in the field.
Force = Writers confirmed! 1!1!11
I AM THE DEATH STAR
Maybe a wound in the force is more akin to the anti-force penetrating our galaxy and that’s why the dark side hates the creation of more wounds. After all, the Force is life, the dark side is just one aspect of it.
Huh, I never heard of this Mass Shadow Generator, let me google it.
Okay, that’s enough Internet for me tonight.
ORDER 66
Silent reaper? Did you mean the dark reaper that was featured in the star wars: the clone wars video game. The one that introduced the saber tank?
I wonder if the force also hated the fact that the crystal caves were depleted to build the death star.
Was so good to see Tarks again in Rogue One.
Huge fan of the fact that he and Christopher Lee were close friends.
Reminder that Darth Sidious himself doesn't adhere to the theme of the Sith either. The whole point of the Rule of Two is that the successor eventually is the stronger one. But he kills Darth Plaguis in his sleep.
The guy used the Dark Side but he didn't embrace the Dark Side the way Anakin did that and the Light.
If Sith believed the dark side should serve them while the Jedi believed they should serve the light side, though the only Jedi I can really think of who did that is Qui Gon, were there any sith who were servants to the dark side instead?
According to comic lore, Darth Momin. "The dark side does not serve us. We serve the dark side. If we glorify it through our acts and our work and our art, it gives us power. It gives us life. Even life eternal." But Momin was deemed to be heretical by other Sith.
in short, a planet-destroying superweapon is enough for the entire dark side to say "Hey! Stop that! That's going way too far; enough is enough!"
WHAT THE HELL IS AN ALUMINIUM FALCON?
Shout out to Robot Chicken
I'm still a fan of the theory that the force, "light or dark", hates the sith. The sith throws off the balance between the light and dark.
I was reading through the comments and this one struck out because of this "balance" that gets talked about. The Jedi always looked upon the Sith and the dark side of the force as a cancer, not as a true part of the force. The Jedi looked upon a Chosen One to balance the Jedi or light side of the force, not as a way to include the dark side. They wanted the Sith and Dark side completely eliminated from the force.
@@TheRealSexiness yea thats pretty spot on. The real cancer in the force is the Sith who, in my view, pervert the "dark side" of the force and try to bend it to their will with their sith magic. When palpatine and plagueis , based on their novel I believe, pushed against the force in one of their experieme the the force pushed back bringing Anakin into existence.
The Jedi and their contemporaries just got used to associating sith with dark side and couldn't see them apart. So the sith were the cancer onto the dark side which resulted in the light and dark fighting each other like a bodies immune system weakening them both as the sith took over.
Just my 2 cents.
@@babomberman by that nature the Jedi are just as guilty. trying to destroy the dark side completely and as such an affront to nature and balance. the Jedi and Sith both must be destroyed to restore balance and ironically that is exactly what Anakin actually does.
@@ValirianDefiance I always thought that balance meant the Jedi knowing about dark side energies but not indulging in them. This is why Anakin was thought of as the Chosen One, he was supposed to manifest all sorts of dark side energy for the Jedi to examine and convert it into light. Anakin was supposed to be the example of a Jedi exposed to so much dark side energy who still maintained his good side that no Jedi would ever overindulge again (This is what Luke accomplished btw.) Jedi don't want to destroy the dark side so much as merely acknowledge it. Yoda for instance lived next to a cave with dark side energy on Dagobah.
Jedi want to destroy the Sith who are individuals that indulge in dark side activities in secret. The Sith traditionally are like serial killers who hide their evil acts away from others. A superweapon built by the Sith however is usually out in the open and acts like a beacon for light siders to destroy it. I can see why Sith generally don't like giant superweapons for this reason.
That's a stupid theory in fact the og sith served the dark side which is Canon
You know it seems like that everything darkside related there gonna hate basically anything just like in real life people are gonna hate on anything
popped up randomly but glad it did. This is a great video.
I think its interesting that human beings (humanoids occupants of SW)
Can come up with things so evil and vile even the Dark Side of the force rejects it...
Its like...becoming more evil than even "god" thought was possible 😮
Vitiate wasn't human though...
I'm just gonna say this cause it relates to a wound in the force.
I have a Star Wars OC who's also a walking wound in the force, an OC who forgot his original name but had adopted the name the citizens of The Galaxy had given him as his own, though with much annoyance with it, Darth Plague, Darth Plague *HATES* The Sith, but this is the closest he has to a name so he's stuck with it. Anyways, the wound in the force he represents is Order 66 itself, and instead of using this new found harmed connection to the force for selfish reasons, he uses this new found power to ensure that something like he just went through will *never* happen again.
Force: I don't like superweapons
Centerpoint Station: Am I a joke to you
The Dark Side hates superweapons likely because it is an insult to the power of the Force. This is proven in Legends when Valkorion used the Dark Side to destroy much more than what the Death Star can accomplish. Darth Vader doesn't like the Death Star while Sidious, considered sometimes a Sith Heretic, wanted to use its power. Vader called Sidious' works of monsters and machines heresy to the Sith ideology. This shows how Sidious crossed boundaries that Ancient Sith would not cross (never defy the Force). Nevertheless, the Ancient Sith did practice making powerful superweapons powered by Kyber Crystals.
From what i understand, that’s not how the force works either. The force is one thing actually, the dark is more of a philosophy, it means using the force as a tool for yourself, bending it to your will, while what Jedi define as the light side is carrying out the will of the force. So the force is the force, the dark and light manifest based on how your using it in relation to its natural flow.
All super weapons got wrecked meanwhile the Star Forge be self repairin & chillin
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Darth Vader: “Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet, or even a whole system, is insignificant next to the power of the Force.”
Not sure if i agree with the Light and Dark view, but that sure is a fascinating take.
Okay yeah, now I see why the Eternal Alliance in Swtor is no were to be seen outside the game
It's actually a really amazing theory. I think that's going to be my head cannon from now on. It's amazing to think that both the dark side and the light side put aside their difference and form just the force to deal with super weapons 🤣😂
The force hated the Death Star so much that it made its exhaust port into an un-xhaust port.
That actually makes sense. Its a very good video
I though that both sides of the force required certain planets to be a certain way like a go board the desth star and other likeminded superweapons are almost irreparable damages to the grand tally.
Food for thought. IS the will of the Force choosing to act for the Mandolorians. The Mando Verse stories seem so spiritual in nature, could they be the next choosen warriors by the force?
imagine what the force would think if the infinity gauntlet.
the IG makes the force obsolete
Imagine making something so monstrously catastrophic that the dark side of the force goes "ay ay, you goin a bit too far my guy"
Is that why those proton torpedoes made a 90 degree turn for no reason?
Pretty sure that was Luke using the Force to move them telekinetically.
Since they were unguided torpedoes, that would be the only way Luke could have made the shot.
@@dungeonguy88 I think the explanation involves the physics of the Death Star and the way the exhaust port works. I don’t think it was Luke. He’d just learned what the force was a day or two prior. And two years later he was still struggling to pull his saber out of the snow.
@@DirtyDemon917 Exhaust ports literally push things out. That is their core purpose.
Not to suck things in.
As the torpedoes were unguided, with no targeting data, the only way they could turn at all is by an external force moving them.
The exhaust port, by definition, wouldn't pull them into itself.
Which leaves the only other likely contender.
The Force.
Which has telekinesis as one of its most commonly seen abilities for its wielders.
Deductive reasoning. The only thing it could have been is Luke using the Force to move the torpedoes into the exhaust port himself.
@@dungeonguy88 I’m not an expert on the technical workings of the Death Star and how it’s shielding reacts with proton torpedoes. There’s a LOT of theories out there with a quick search. The truth is it was for plot convenience. Lucas wanted the fighters to fly along a latitudinal trench but then also launch a missile at the core at high speed from the trench. He didn’t have time to think of how they’d rotate.
But the farm boy using telekinesis to turn the torpedoes 90 degrees two days after learning about the force did not happen.
If you use deductive reasoning the other way, say you don’t believe any theories as to why they turned, then please tell me what the rebels plan was. By your logic telekinesis was a necessity. Was Porkins aware he would need to use force telekinesis to land the shot?
Also, if you use complete deductive reasoning you’ll discover that there was one more force user in the trench. A powerful force user with decades of experience. Vader. Also, you could argue that Vader had more of a motive to blow up the Death Star than Luke. He was the only imperial to voice his displeasure with the battle station in the film. As we saw, come ESB Vader was a much higher rank with tarkin dead. Vader was spinning around in space when the torpedoes went in but it’s still more likely than Luke being the one.
@@DirtyDemon917 Point of Order:
Torpedoes can turn on their own IF they have targeting data to follow. Which was the whole point of the targeting computers, to tell the torpedoes to fly down the exhaust port.
Luke did not use his targeting computer.
All of the other pilots DID use their targeting computers, in the hopes that the torpedoes would be able to make the abrupt turn.
And again, exhaust ports push things out of them. They don't suck things in.
And Darth Vader was focusing all of his attention on shooting down Luke at the time.
And by the time Luke had made his shot, Han had already disrupted his flight, causing him to spiral out of control.
Also, there were other Imperials that thought the Death Star was wildly impractical.
Also failing to protect the Death Star would put Darth Vader on Palpatine's shit-list. So he has a very good reason to defend it, no matter how he feels about it.
Luke guided the unguided torpedoes into the exhaust port with telekinesis.
He was the only one with the ability to do so and the motive.
So superweapons don't align with the Dark Side, but rather with chaos and destruction in a way that unbalances the force as a whole? If we connect the Dark Side to the Son, I can't help but then connect the nature of these kinds of superweapons to Aboleth.
I wouldn't be surprised that the force hated the death star with how many kyber crystal went into making it's laser
It wasn't the Star Forge that glassed Taris, it was a fleet action, the Star Forge never left its hidden location. Requiring a sun to power its abilities it wasn't nearly as mobile as the Death Star. Though it could travel it couldn't be used without a star as a power supply and rescource gathering point.
Great video as always!
I was thinking if something actually wipes out all life, or all intelligent life, then what the dark side stands for could not continue after that point. There wouldnt be any passion, ambition, competing for powers and strong emotions, crucial things to the dark side. Something with the capacity to exterminate all life threatens the dark side itself (as well as the light side)
And just think, Palpatine built not one but two. And considering both Disney and Legends continuity, he KEPT BUILDING SHIT LIKE THIS.
I just imagine both Light and Dark side of the force eventually going "How many times must we teach you this lesson OLD MAN!?"
Dark or light, the force depends on the energy of life itself. It is not surprising that anything that is designed to destroy life on a huge scale would be apposed by the dark side of the force since those deaths would weaken it, even threaten its existence.
No life, no force, no dark side.
Curious question where does project Blackwing fall under this. I know it only shows up rarely and in a couple books as well as the one book that it first introduced in as far as somewhere but you also have the original strain of the virus in red Harvest not just in death Troopers on that note actually would you be willing to do a video on those events
All this means the dark side is not truly evil, or to put it in another way, it doesn't care about mortals' definitions of good and evil.
For me Sidious’s power began to wain as soon as his empire turned from conquest to control. The dark side is chaos, evolution, and transformative destruction. The Rule of Two Sith were gravely mistaken in thinking it was more analogous to poison because, in the end, it burned them
It sounds like the Force only acts after destruction of a mass scale is imposed. So SuperWeapons are allowed to be made, but not used.
Basically save your super weapons for a rainy day.
Palpatine: This is my cool Death Star!
The whole Sith Lineage before Palpatine: Sheev this is the 7th time you’ve brought the Death Star to the show and tell
The force:I'm not angry .... I'm very livid
Considering the fact that main purpose of Death Star was being a Galaxy's boogieman to keep it from disobedience makes it even funnier.
The Empire would unironically got beter benefits from Thrawn's TIE-defender programm.
I have a question. Why did didn’t the destruction of olderon create a wound in the force?
because they passed quickly & alderaan was not heavily populated at least to other examples, thus did not reach the threshold required to create a noticeable wound.
now if it were any other world with massive populations it would have certainly created a wound.
@@cr90captain89 oohhh that makes more sense, I appreciate the response, Just recapping what you said but the reason It didn’t create a wound was because of how quick it happened, So that would mean the force is affected through time that’s Very interesting.
Or rather time is a factor
The Force hates super weapons.
The Force also created The Chosen One.
Oh so I guess when it makes a super weapon like a chosen one then it's all kosher, but if people make one then Ohhhh noooo.
Would you really let your underlings make weapons behind your back that can damage you?
The Force has a god complex
SO except for sidious did anyone else like the death star idea. It seems everyone except the emperor thought it was a bad idea lmao
It was mostly Tarkin, Palpatine, and any of their respective cronies.
2:40 Sidious on deathsticks
Day 119 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
only hated the death star in the sense that vader hated palpatine's lightsaber. it would not bend to his will through mechu deru and anyone who tries with the death star has a great risk of destroying themselves.
Even the Darkside is like "We can't just kill EVERYONE"
So question was it luke & not anakin that was the chosen one? Anakin ultimately brought the force even further out of balance while luke brought the balance back. Even in Luke’s teaching sounds like he took a more balanced approach
From my understanding the force wanted Anakin to be the chosen one, but then sidious happened and he fell to the dark side. Luckily tho Anakin got down and dirty with a senator and created two replacements for him who the force gave a similar potential to in the hopes that eventually one of them would fulfill the prophecy and bring back balance, which eventually Luke did
@@ratatoskr5561 well from what i can tell had he not fallen in love with padme he wouldn't have fallen. was ultimately his fear of losing her that lead to him giving in to sidious
@@catbert2412 I Blame it on the Jedi Order specifically the high council.
For Example
1. They gave him a master that just wasn't ready. Obi wan just finished being a Padawan at Episode 1. Anakin needed a Father Figure not a Brother
2. Most of them treated him like garbage and were jealous
3. They were Hypocrites through and through
4. They betrayed his trust multiple times, for example when Kenobi faked his death
5. betraying his Padawan
6. using him for Hard and Traumatic Missions without even saying Thank you ONCE. the Zygiria slave Mission for example
and many more Yes Anakin wasn't flawless. but no one is flawless. I think they contributed more to him Turning Dark then Palpatine, he simply played the Cards he was delt by the jedi Order alongside his own Cards here and there
I reckon Sidious did not get that Force Memo 🤭
Assuming my understanding of the Force is correct, i.e. the Light Side is the will of all life and the Dark Side is the derailment of others' will by selfish desire, then mass genocide would indeed hurt both because selfish indulgence cannot exist in a void - the Dark Side is the aura of life's desire for itself in disregard of others, the desire to dominate and subjugate through raw pwoer, but those desires are meaningless if there is nothing but ash-choked wastes. It's like a quote from a story I heard a long time ago and don't remember the name of; the villain touting that he was going to destroy the entire world and then rule it as king, and the hero spat back "If you succeed, all you'll be king of is dust and roaches".
That's a very good quote!!!
Wouldn't the DARK SIDE, literally HATE everything including ITSELF! You know that would explain a lot!
You know I'm starting to get the feeling that ANAKIN/VADER's memeable HATRED for SAND sounds entirely possible within the Star Wars canon as it would be a source of power for a DARK SIDER! After all if the DARK SIDE hates everything, that would include SAND!
Of course, we cannot forget Darth Vader's iconic argument with Motti regarding the POWER of the FORCE VS the POWER of the DEATH STAR! Ultimately VADER was proven correct ironically by his own son using the Force to guide the Proton Torpedo which destroyed the DEATH STAR & Motti along with it!