Pokemon is all about battling, but what if we tried to do that as little as possible? How many battles can we eliminate and how do we get through the game?
I know this is a boring strategy but you can leave a pokemon at the daycare and level it up without training, i don't know if there is a daycare in red and blue but for any other game you can level up to level 100 so you dont care about not getting experience in battles.
not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but in additon to jrose considering the pokedoll at pokemon tower as a glitch, it is also an item to use in-battle, which goes against the rules.
If you keep pressing right past the Squirtle when selecting a starter the game will let you past to select the Bulbasaur, that isn't developer intended so counts as a glitch
@@LimeymanZero bulbasaur is super effective against 5 kanto gyms and resists 6 of them. Bulbasaur also evolves early so it's actually one of the better starters
@@Jrose11 I kinda find a Red with such bad social anxiety funny, like he's so nervous to make eye contact with people so he doesn't get into battles often is funny to me. (especially compared to how he's portrayed in later pokemon games)
Great video. Just in case someone else hasn't already said it, I believe Agatha actually has "bad" AI. It's a fun twist since this can make her more of a pain to deal with due her moves being selected randomly. You can't take advantage of the dumb "good" AI like with the other trainers.
Watching this almost a year later, it feels weird. Jrose says he can't set up against a frozen golbat while having withdraw to set up 6 badge boost glitch, and him surprised that Mimic is good…
To be fair, the Badge Boost Glitch was obscure and extremely poorly understood until around 2020 (even when the Squirtle solo happened), so he likely didn’t know about it. Mimic is also not learned by level-up by anything other than Sudowoodo before Gen 3, and Gen 1 trainers don’t use TMs, so there’s no reason it would ever be encountered in a run, not to mention you have to buy an item you have no real reason to own and take it to another city to even get the TM.
Bulbasaur; 1) Super effective against Brock’s Pokémon. 2) Super effective against Misty’s Pokémon 3) Resists Lt. Surges electric moves. 4) Neutral matchup against Erica. 5) Cannot be poisoned by Koga 6) Good matchup against Giovanni. 7) Razor Leaf having STAB and always criting because high crit chance means it crits in gen 1, effectively make it base 165. Bulbasaur might not be a fire breathing lizard or an adorable turtle, but it is the easy mode when it comes to Red and Blue. I WILL DEFEND THIS TO THE DAY I DIE!!!
That is 110% FACTUALLY TRUE! It is QUITE OFTEN considered AND implied among the long-time fans of Pokemon that if you pick Bulbasaur, it is picking EASY MODE. If you pick Squirtle, it is picking NORMAL MODE, and if you pick Charmander, it is picking HARD MODE. HECK, even in Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen it states accordingly if you click on Bulbasaur, it says quote on quote; "Ahh, so you picked BULBASAUR. It is very easy to raise.", implying that you're picking the EASY MODE. If you click on Squirtle, it says; "Ahh, so you picked SQUIRTLE. It is one worth raising", implying that you're picking the NORMAL MODE. And if you click on Charmander, it says; "Ahh, so you pick CHARMANDER. You should raise it patiently.", implying that you're picking the HARD MODE. I don't know if you already know this or not, but I'm just telling you this to bring up a bit of a fun fact about the original Red and Blue games AND about their Remakes FireRed and LeafGreen, JUST in case if you didn't know about that particularly. Have a GREAT day wherever you are!😉👍🏽
Since you picked trainers with the fewest pokemon when given a choice, this run should actually qualify for "fewest KOs". If you took the trainers with more pokemon, you might have gotten slightly more experience to work with. It also seems to me that fewest KOs implies least total EXP gained.
The implication is false, unfortunately. 5 magikarps @ 5 exp < 1 gyrados @ 30 exp. But using this run as a base it should be easy to find the glitchless minimum exp run
he never had to make that decision of 5 low xp Pokemon or 1 high xp Pokemon. generally, the trainers that had high xp Pokemon also had more Pokemon in general, and by taking the fewer number of KOs, he also took less xp.
@@steveh1474 yeah he did. After the nugget bridge and at the grass gym. Usually the game gives a trainer 1-2 strong Pokémon (beauties, cue balls, etc) or 3-5 weak pokemon (bug catchers, breeders, etc). This is for balance. Although I do think in the end fighting the trainers with fewer pokemon will give less exp overall.
@@rarepepe1572 yes. A real in-game example is in the Erika gym. Trainer 1: beauty Lvl 26 exegcute - 546 exp Trainer 2: cooltrainer Lvl 24 gloom - 678 exp Lvl 24 - weepinbell Lvl 24 - ivysaur I didn't calc the rest, but the gloom alone is worth more than the trainer with less pokemon in this case.
@@Jrose11 Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm always open to hang out and talk TH-cam if you ever want to! I've been doing a video a day for 8 years now so I've got no shortage of stuff to talk about
Mine was "grind the hell outta Charizard because it's the coolest and forget the other Pokemon." It took me a few hours but Charizard and Friends (re: Meat Shields) eventually got through the whole thing.
me too but yet i like wild pokemon pokemon x but you cant slov the furfuw puzzle me: yay i did the puzzle time to go to the 2 gym The gym leder: i will beat you with my rock pokemon me: sends out leval 55 delfox The gym leder: sends out his leval 23 pokemon gym leder: 😱 literly 2 minits later gym leter: you win me: i thout you were ment to be hard me: well time to find a eevee I leve the gym gym leder: that was strat up not far AND THATS HOW BAD MY SPELLING IS
I actually like bide in-game sometimes; I usually don't use things that can learn bide, but if I'm doing a nuzlocke, sometimes it really comes in handy!
"You can't do less than one with a single Not Very Effective hit" not true! It's just that if you somehow get in a position where that happens the game gets confused and says that you missed. At this point i'm surprised the Gen 1 cartidges don't somehow catch on fire with how barely held together they are
@@clqliveson i can't remember who it was, but someone did a challenge run where they were so underleveled for Brock that their Not Very Effective move "missed" like 10 times in a row. Unless there's just some nutty RNG happening there's no way it was legitimately missing. It might've been Gamechamp but not sure.
@@edfreak9001 It happened in one of Mah-Dry-Bread's challenges, apparently what was happening was that he was dealing damage so far below 1 that the game rounds it down to 0 because it's the closest integer when calculating how much HP to deduct. Because the game thinks missing an attack is the only way to deal 0 damage, it displays the "Attack Missed" text.
What a run. I actually forgot Mimic was a move, and the Bide strategy was brilliant. I would love to see the improved run, and a merry Christmas to you.
I almost always pick the grass type, they're so underrated, everyone's always going for the fire type. I mean, the first two gyms are rock and water, both weak to grass why aren't people choosing Bulbasaur?
@@RooftopRose079 there is a simple reason to choose charmender in gen-1 that being type coverage. you see while it is true that squirtlle and bulbasaur are better against earlier gyms, brocks rock types have shitty special stats and don't actually know any rock our ground moves so ember can do the job and then you can catch grass types before misty and you can get a water type before mount moon by buying the magicarp, you can find good replacements for both bulbasaur and squirtle very early on. good fire types however don't become available until cinnabar island.
Early game strategy that was completely overlooked: Buy the Magikarp. Using it is optional, but now you have a 2nd Pokémon you didn't need to battle for. Upon beating Misty, pop either of them into the Daycare, then abuse the bike and any other means of saving real-life time to accelerate their EXP gains without ever battling anyone. Use the cash from selling items you can't use in battle to pay the daycare to get your now over-levelled Pokémon back out. This strategy will get you a beefier Ivysaur to ease the difficult SS Anne rival battle and it will get you a Gyarados using the Magikarp. Then you steamroll the rest of the game.
You forgot to mention using the poke doll in the tower is considered an item in battle which is against the rules anyway. So the other reasons you brought up don't even matter. You went and ruffled some feathers for nothing lol. Great video.
I'm just glad somebody else knows the truth of the marowak ghost glitch. awesome work man, i didn't think anything would top no damage... But this actually seems way harder
I love going back through these. Just got to the final four Agetha and 3 years ago when "mimic" was a brand new Strat. Since then, mimic seems to be a fairly standard toolbox option for otherwise limited runs. Love it
@31:15 I'm with you on that, I consider skipping what is intended to be a mandatory battle which is intended to send you to another location for what is intended to be a mandatory item after clearing other mandatory battles... yeah I consider that a glitch. It's a very easy to activate glitch, but so are a lot of glitches in the game, just by doing other mundane or normal actions. I would argue the PokeDoll is NOT fulfilling its intended function of skipping 1 battle, because it's being used to skip a game section full of battles it doesn't work on by escaping "one" battle. To me, it's no different than saving past the kid by Brock's gym. You're saving the game, which is an intended function. In your current location, which is where saves are intended to keep you. And you're loading the game which loads you into that location, which is what loading saves is intended to do. It just happens to break the entire game when you do so.
@@joshstephens413 There's no justifications or assumptions at work here, bucko, these are the actual arguments used by actual speedrunners. "Oh the item itself is working as intended so skipping a roadblock and entire sections of the game with it it isnt a glitch, even though every other way of attempting to skip that roadbloack doesn't work!" is something literally only a brainlet or a speedrunner using bias to justify a shortcut would believe.
@@Xeronoia Just because a game design lets you use a programming oversight to skip parts of a game doesn't mean it is necessarily a glitch. I'm not arguing whether the poke doll skip is a glitch or not, but it skipping parts of the game doesn't make it one. Go loo up the definition of a glitch.
Looking back - knowing about the badge boost glitch - that freeze on the Golbat in the Agatha battle wouldve been perfect for setting up withdraw, boosting your speed to hopefully outspeed the final gengar haha
How can someone not love these videos they are so interesting and Jrose has so much integrity to even bypass making things easier. Love these videos one of my favorite channels
Celebrating you GETTING AN EDITOR that's super awesome by watching and commenting and each of your minimum battles/tier list series. Nothing big, just a few sentences to make sure it helps the algorithm. And the videos are grea.
Sooo, guess who found out that you can skip the fights in Blaine's Gym by using those quiz machines today. Me... I always just assumed they were for aesthetic lol
When I played Let's Go I was like "did they add a quiz show here"? Because I could not remember the quiz AT ALL from my childhood days, so I GUESS I always just fought.
Hey man, just wanted to say that I love your videos! I love watching these really unique runs, and it's clear you have a lot of passion for the game that meant so much to both of us growing up. Keep up the good work
I would love to see the consistent strats. Also, this may be my favorite challenge run. It was really fun and clever (using Mimic, WOW!) I would certainly also love to see more challenge runs in the future use the "least amount of battles/no optional battles" thing. I still can't believe Red/Blue was beaten with NO optional battles.
One thing that might have made this a bit less of a challenge. A little ol house called the "Day care house" yes you couldnt use it untill you got the fossil since you cant put in HM pokemon. Or the Eevee before evolving. Also wheres the fun walking back and forth for litteral days so good vid did like or something
or if the rules allow it, you can also use any% cheats to skip ALL trainers ;P but that would ruin the fun, so Itemless/trade less/ cheatless is the most fun.
I think that the HM thing was from later games, I don't see why you couldn't put in the eevee, and you can get a magikarp before Mount Moon without a battle.
Going back and watching this after the solo runs and all the things you've learned I wanna see how much better this could be now that you know a ton more about these games
Love how you find creative strategies with terrible moves. Really solid content. I feel like maybe the running commentary of every major battle could be a bit streamlined in your videos, but I really enjoy your challenge runs :3
68 battles "We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close." But anyway, great video, alone because of the massive time effort on your side. Really would like to see the updated strats. But still, great great video, can't stress this enough. And, enjoy the rest of your day!
I really liked this video. I really like Pokemon challenges, but after the fourth "can I beat this game with only said Pokemon?" video, which are just enormous grindfests, this video was such a relief and a pleasure to watch. Beautiful showcasing your deep knowledge of the game, the innovative strategies and the fact you couldn't grind, you had to work with what you had. Congratulations on a work well done!
I'd like to see the battle number for an average casual playthrough compared to grind-intense runs and this because I think that would be really interesting
Actually I thought of why you can't use the Poke Doll to escape Mother Marowak. You forbid the use of items in battle for your run so if you used the Poke Doll you break your own challenge rule.
What an incredibly cool run. I was just glued to my screen for the full 80 minutes :D And great choice of music, too, especially Marnie 2 for the final battle!
glad you made the video, was very entertaining, you thought about doing more videos like this, challenge runs seem to be the in thing atm... ps that bide strat... im crying
Wow, great job on this video. Must have been really challenging. I'd be interested in seeing a really refined strategy. And I thought you're take on the pokedoll was interesting. I didn't know how I felt about it until you explained your thoughts, and I gotta say that won me over.
1:16:41 switching to a Pokémon to tank a hit can be a really useful technique. If you know you need to switch, having an intermediate Pokémon go out first will keep the next one safe. It can also be used to protect a main Pokémon from moves like Solar Beam.
My guess would be about 80, considering the gym leaders and trainers, team rocket, rival battles, necessary npcs, and elite 4. On second thought its probably closer to like 95ish lol
I agree with almost everything you said about the Poke Doll skip. With the exception of it being a glitch. It is not as the developers intended, but the game mechanic of the Poke Doll does work as intended, with an oversight. As you said, the oversight was that the devs did not mean for the Poke Doll to be able to skip over the Ghost. As such, by definition, with the game mechanic working as intended but with an oversight, it is an exploit. That being said, you could have mentioned wanting to do this run as no glitches and no exploits. In addition, you would have had to do Rocket Hideout anyway, as the Poke Doll's use would have broken your "no items in battle" rule. When you started in on the Poke Doll, I was hoping that you would do Rocket Hideout. I was not disappointed. I have a lot of respect for you for going into that explanation of what you think about the Poke Doll, especially for playing the game as intended, no exceptions, on such a challenging run and for holding yourself to such a high standard. I believe there is a difference between a glitchless run and a run where the game is played entirely as intended. A completely as intended run would be no glitches, no exploits, and patched as much as possible to remove bugs. However, when patches remove bugs, it changes the original game, which is why some re-releases of games, including gen 1 of Pokemon, have all the glitches, exploits and bugs included. As these issues that a game has also gives it a lot of it's charm.
omg, when you said "This strategy, I'm surprised it worked" I KNEW it was gonna be Bide! I actually thought of it just while you were talking about Kadabra needing to use Teleport. This is one of the few times when I've come up with the same solution that you used :D To be fair, in Gen 1 there's only so many options so it's much easier, plus Gen 1 is the generation I know by far the most about.
Interesting video. I'm surprised u didn't mention the toxic + leech seed combo. I understand it's a glitch (or exploit) but it's why I always pick bulbasaur in red and blue.
1:07:05 Gotta admit, that is rare, but while playing my Bronzor only run I got 17 Hypnosis misses in a row (with no changes to accuracy or evasiveness)... Since that moment I'm just used to see Hypnosis miss
Wooooo! Merry Christmas everyone! I’m super excited to have a Jrose video for Christmas! I really hope that you keep making content. I’m sorry that the trashy algorithm screws over your videos but you seriously make the best Pokémon content on TH-cam. I hope you have a fantastic holiday!
i'd love to see your refined strategy. this was a really interesting video! as for the daycare thing, i think it obviously goes against the spirit of the challenge. anyone can drop a gift pokemon in the daycare and get it to level 100 to cheese their way through the game. there's no point in doing a challenge like this if that's the way you want to do it. might as well just play the game normally by that point.
If jrose hasn't/isn't going to, you should 1000% try this in yellow Scott! Having watched your recent content, this would be fun to see! You'd have to tweek the starter, maybe an Eevee since it's technically a starter that's given by Oak (just not to the player) in yellow! Or any (reasonable) pokemon that would make it possible to actually clear Brock and move on to the rest of the game. The rest of the game is a challenge enough on it's own and would be wildly different than red/blue even when only considering the main story battles!
This is the first video of yours I saw @Jrose11... Its hilarious now looking back after watching so many of your videos and seeing your discovery of mimic... but more than that getting to 1:08:00 with the frozen Golbat and upon hearing "Can I set up?", and immediately thinking "withdraw for the badge boost glitch", then hearing "No, not really...". Legit got more impressed with this run, knowing you did it without the power you would become famous for 🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised he didn't go with Zapdos, was expecting that when he mentioned the surfing thing Nevermind, just realised it's another battle and using item in battle
Disappointed that it was one less than perfect number Seriously, these challenge videos are so addictive and fun to watch. Thank you for suffering through them
Wanna see a sequel to this video? Let's get this one to 10,000 likes and I'll release a follow up with a much improved strat! Happy holidays everyone!
I'd love to see the sequel.
brb, making 7000 new accounts.
I know this is a boring strategy but you can leave a pokemon at the daycare and level it up without training, i don't know if there is a daycare in red and blue but for any other game you can level up to level 100 so you dont care about not getting experience in battles.
Nikola Q this is absolutely possible, there is indeed a daycare. i wonder why op didnt think of this
If you ever do this again, ban daycares, they're OP in this challenge
not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but in additon to jrose considering the pokedoll at pokemon tower as a glitch, it is also an item to use in-battle, which goes against the rules.
If you keep pressing right past the Squirtle when selecting a starter the game will let you past to select the Bulbasaur, that isn't developer intended so counts as a glitch
@@LimeymanZero what
@@Earthboundmike It's a joke, just like Bulbasaur
@@Demonhornz I think the rule was no items in battle, so the repels are not a problem.
@@LimeymanZero bulbasaur is super effective against 5 kanto gyms and resists 6 of them. Bulbasaur also evolves early so it's actually one of the better starters
Social anxiety percent
Honestly this was my idea of Low% but I feel like it's an insult to pretend this is a speedrun lol.
@@Jrose11 I kinda find a Red with such bad social anxiety funny, like he's so nervous to make eye contact with people so he doesn't get into battles often is funny to me. (especially compared to how he's portrayed in later pokemon games)
I actually hope that if 68 Battles % becomes a thing for speedrunners, it becomes SocialAnxiety%
@@Jrose11 Could always become one now that we know it's possible (thanks to you)!
Interacting with as few NPCs as possible
Jrose11: " I didn't pick Omanyte for the meme"
*names him LORD HELIX*
I mean Kabuto has lower Special so...
Hail Lord Helix!
tbf he said "not JUST for the meme"
Don’t disrespect your gods
Filthy, filthy Omanyte, we all know Ratata is best fossil.
Running away is still affecting the pokemon.
It's hurting its feelings
Anon BonBon
Oh my gosh I love it
GET OUT!
@@PANZERFAUST90 bro I wish
It's super effective 😥
so does roar by scaring the poor thing away.
"That makes Zubat really dangerous"
There's a sentence that had never before been uttered.
Agatha: I’ll show you how a real trainer battles!
Also Agatha: *spams hypnosis and confuse ray*
Nintendo and their love of rng
Agatha: I'll show you how a real *drunk* trainer battles!
at 3 AM
Misty- I choose an all-out offensive with pokemon!
*uses an X Defend*
Agatha fights with anime rules obviously. If a pokemon is asleep it is called unable to battle!
final battle counter: 68
*we've won, but at what cost?*
Could justify a mewtwo battle...?
lets count the whole challenge as a single battle and make that count 69
Obviously challenge failed
Count snortlax
Under 100 uh?
*"Local hippie overthrows government with peace&love, a plant and two literal fossils"*
Great video. Just in case someone else hasn't already said it, I believe Agatha actually has "bad" AI. It's a fun twist since this can make her more of a pain to deal with due her moves being selected randomly. You can't take advantage of the dumb "good" AI like with the other trainers.
Yeah... That's the biggest exemption from most trainers with "good" AI, like Lorelei, Lance, and Blue.
Basically, Gen 1 is a complete mess of a game.
Correct. Out of all the Elite Four members, only Lorelei and Lance have the "good" AI.
As if Bruno would benefit from "good Ai"
I think it's meant to show how she's a bit senile, but has the opposite effect.
@@2bluedragons492 yeah it makes her the extremely unpredictable creepy old lady instead.
Gen 1 Venusaur be like a salad
Watching this almost a year later, it feels weird. Jrose says he can't set up against a frozen golbat while having withdraw to set up 6 badge boost glitch, and him surprised that Mimic is good…
Current JRose would do so much better on this run! The run has become so optimized.
To be fair, the Badge Boost Glitch was obscure and extremely poorly understood until around 2020 (even when the Squirtle solo happened), so he likely didn’t know about it.
Mimic is also not learned by level-up by anything other than Sudowoodo before Gen 3, and Gen 1 trainers don’t use TMs, so there’s no reason it would ever be encountered in a run, not to mention you have to buy an item you have no real reason to own and take it to another city to even get the TM.
Bulbasaur;
1) Super effective against Brock’s Pokémon.
2) Super effective against Misty’s Pokémon
3) Resists Lt. Surges electric moves.
4) Neutral matchup against Erica.
5) Cannot be poisoned by Koga
6) Good matchup against Giovanni.
7) Razor Leaf having STAB and always criting because high crit chance means it crits in gen 1, effectively make it base 165.
Bulbasaur might not be a fire breathing lizard or an adorable turtle, but it is the easy mode when it comes to Red and Blue. I WILL DEFEND THIS TO THE DAY I DIE!!!
That is 110% FACTUALLY TRUE! It is QUITE OFTEN considered AND implied among the long-time fans of Pokemon that if you pick Bulbasaur, it is picking EASY MODE. If you pick Squirtle, it is picking NORMAL MODE, and if you pick Charmander, it is picking HARD MODE. HECK, even in Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen it states accordingly if you click on Bulbasaur, it says quote on quote; "Ahh, so you picked BULBASAUR. It is very easy to raise.", implying that you're picking the EASY MODE. If you click on Squirtle, it says; "Ahh, so you picked SQUIRTLE. It is one worth raising", implying that you're picking the NORMAL MODE. And if you click on Charmander, it says; "Ahh, so you pick CHARMANDER. You should raise it patiently.", implying that you're picking the HARD MODE.
I don't know if you already know this or not, but I'm just telling you this to bring up a bit of a fun fact about the original Red and Blue games AND about their Remakes FireRed and LeafGreen, JUST in case if you didn't know about that particularly. Have a GREAT day wherever you are!😉👍🏽
Since you picked trainers with the fewest pokemon when given a choice, this run should actually qualify for "fewest KOs". If you took the trainers with more pokemon, you might have gotten slightly more experience to work with. It also seems to me that fewest KOs implies least total EXP gained.
The implication is false, unfortunately. 5 magikarps @ 5 exp < 1 gyrados @ 30 exp. But using this run as a base it should be easy to find the glitchless minimum exp run
he never had to make that decision of 5 low xp Pokemon or 1 high xp Pokemon.
generally, the trainers that had high xp Pokemon also had more Pokemon in general, and by taking the fewer number of KOs, he also took less xp.
@@steveh1474 yeah he did. After the nugget bridge and at the grass gym. Usually the game gives a trainer 1-2 strong Pokémon (beauties, cue balls, etc) or 3-5 weak pokemon (bug catchers, breeders, etc). This is for balance. Although I do think in the end fighting the trainers with fewer pokemon will give less exp overall.
@@justin02905 so what he implied was correct in the end, just not a foregone conclusion
@@rarepepe1572 yes. A real in-game example is in the Erika gym.
Trainer 1: beauty
Lvl 26 exegcute - 546 exp
Trainer 2: cooltrainer
Lvl 24 gloom - 678 exp
Lvl 24 - weepinbell
Lvl 24 - ivysaur
I didn't calc the rest, but the gloom alone is worth more than the trainer with less pokemon in this case.
A solid Christmas Present!
Hi Bread
Thanks man, love the videos you've been putting out, really amazing runs lately!!
@@Jrose11 Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm always open to hang out and talk TH-cam if you ever want to! I've been doing a video a day for 8 years now so I've got no shortage of stuff to talk about
Tasty bread for our jrose sandwich
Mah-Dry-Bread - Gameplay & Streams! I wish your vids were better. :(
Avoiding every battle i could was literally how i played pokemon as a kid. Which made it so i could never beat the elite 4.
I was the same way! I was like, afraid of encountering trainers lmao
Mine was "grind the hell outta Charizard because it's the coolest and forget the other Pokemon."
It took me a few hours but Charizard and Friends (re: Meat Shields) eventually got through the whole thing.
@@_UnknownStory I did the same with my sceptile back then.
Let's be real, Kanto Elite Four kicked all our asses at some point
me too but yet i like wild pokemon
pokemon x but you cant slov the furfuw puzzle
me: yay i did the puzzle time to go to the 2 gym
The gym leder: i will beat you with my rock pokemon
me: sends out leval 55 delfox
The gym leder: sends out his leval 23 pokemon
gym leder: 😱
literly 2 minits later
gym leter: you win
me: i thout you were ment to be hard
me: well time to find a eevee
I leve the gym
gym leder: that was strat up not far
AND THATS HOW BAD MY SPELLING IS
"So we are really nearing the homestretch here" He says 39 minutes into am 80 minute video :D
give this man a noble peace price for FINALLY finding a use for bide
nsm 64 this is like Pikasprey finding a use for flash
nsm 64
Nobel*
I actually like bide in-game sometimes; I usually don't use things that can learn bide, but if I'm doing a nuzlocke, sometimes it really comes in handy!
@@DingoTheDemon: nuzlocke time, let's use the attack that just has me getting hurt on purpose
@@Rediblackdragon if I have a mostly defensive Pokemon at low levels then yes :D
"You can't do less than one with a single Not Very Effective hit"
not true! It's just that if you somehow get in a position where that happens the game gets confused and says that you missed.
At this point i'm surprised the Gen 1 cartidges don't somehow catch on fire with how barely held together they are
Thats a 1/256 miss.... not a "0"
@@clqliveson i can't remember who it was, but someone did a challenge run where they were so underleveled for Brock that their Not Very Effective move "missed" like 10 times in a row. Unless there's just some nutty RNG happening there's no way it was legitimately missing.
It might've been Gamechamp but not sure.
@@edfreak9001 It happened in one of Mah-Dry-Bread's challenges, apparently what was happening was that he was dealing damage so far below 1 that the game rounds it down to 0 because it's the closest integer when calculating how much HP to deduct. Because the game thinks missing an attack is the only way to deal 0 damage, it displays the "Attack Missed" text.
Honestly I want a gen 8 game with gen 1’s shitty coding, that sounds so fun. Smogon get on that.
@@caritahearts2405 dear god what kind of hell will that create
It's so weird hearing Jrose mentioning using Mimic as tho that's a novel concept considering how much he would use it in later runs.
What a run. I actually forgot Mimic was a move, and the Bide strategy was brilliant. I would love to see the improved run, and a merry Christmas to you.
Yes, I would like to suffer as much as humanly possible please? Oh, this challenge? This will do quite nicely
Nobody tell this guy about Nuzlocke. I don't wanna break his heart
There's a lad who beat pokémon Red without taking a single hit. Perhaps that will bring you the desired amount of suffering.
its funny because its true
ok wanna suffer more? do the run with all your pokemon paralyzed.
When it comes to starters, do not underestimate the power of the Grass side!
I always choose grass anyway
@@shironasama0445 :fire:
I almost always pick the grass type, they're so underrated, everyone's always going for the fire type. I mean, the first two gyms are rock and water, both weak to grass why aren't people choosing Bulbasaur?
@@RooftopRose079 i always choose water
@@RooftopRose079 there is a simple reason to choose charmender in gen-1
that being type coverage.
you see while it is true that squirtlle and bulbasaur are better against earlier gyms, brocks rock types have shitty special stats and don't actually know any rock our ground moves so ember can do the job and then you can catch grass types before misty and you can get a water type before mount moon by buying the magicarp, you can find good replacements for both bulbasaur and squirtle very early on.
good fire types however don't become available until cinnabar island.
Early game strategy that was completely overlooked:
Buy the Magikarp. Using it is optional, but now you have a 2nd Pokémon you didn't need to battle for. Upon beating Misty, pop either of them into the Daycare, then abuse the bike and any other means of saving real-life time to accelerate their EXP gains without ever battling anyone. Use the cash from selling items you can't use in battle to pay the daycare to get your now over-levelled Pokémon back out. This strategy will get you a beefier Ivysaur to ease the difficult SS Anne rival battle and it will get you a Gyarados using the Magikarp. Then you steamroll the rest of the game.
gamerdude491 yeah, there’s no daycare in gen one
@@oilvre_ there is
Gamechamp3000 used it in his no damage gen 1 playthrough
@@oilvre_ that's where you are wrong, buddy. It's right after misty
The daycare was my first thought as well.
TheTweeJaguar lmao found the dude born in 2012 😂
You forgot to mention using the poke doll in the tower is considered an item in battle which is against the rules anyway. So the other reasons you brought up don't even matter. You went and ruffled some feathers for nothing lol. Great video.
I'm just glad somebody else knows the truth of the marowak ghost glitch.
awesome work man, i didn't think anything would top no damage... But this actually seems way harder
"... and you can see how deadly Night Shade is."
I see what you did there
Little did he know, by using mimic on agility in the lance battle, he activate the badge boost glitch.
Ah, the good old days of playing the game the way it was meant to. Good times...
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Jrose: Unedited 1 hour explanations
Perfect present man.
Dude, you have no idea how much I edit lol, I get what you're saying but it takes forever to make these. I just really like being thorough
Jrose11 we are all thankful
@@Jrose11 Wow lol. We still love your content man!
"Gen I giveth and Gen I taketh away" lmao
nice pfp
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Also Jrose11:
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“Mr. Mime is a joke”
This opinion would be short lived
If used correctly Mr Mime can be an absolute nightmare to deal with lol
My boy Bulbasaur pulling some weight, lol
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I love going back through these. Just got to the final four Agetha and 3 years ago when "mimic" was a brand new Strat. Since then, mimic seems to be a fairly standard toolbox option for otherwise limited runs. Love it
It’s so weird to see mimicking Agility without talking about the badge boost glitch. I love your videos, man!
@31:15 I'm with you on that, I consider skipping what is intended to be a mandatory battle which is intended to send you to another location for what is intended to be a mandatory item after clearing other mandatory battles... yeah I consider that a glitch. It's a very easy to activate glitch, but so are a lot of glitches in the game, just by doing other mundane or normal actions. I would argue the PokeDoll is NOT fulfilling its intended function of skipping 1 battle, because it's being used to skip a game section full of battles it doesn't work on by escaping "one" battle. To me, it's no different than saving past the kid by Brock's gym.
You're saving the game, which is an intended function. In your current location, which is where saves are intended to keep you. And you're loading the game which loads you into that location, which is what loading saves is intended to do. It just happens to break the entire game when you do so.
Agreed, and well said. Speedrunners are completely insane though, and justify all kinds of stupidity in "Glitchless" categories.
@@Xeronoia Says the insane people creating all kinds of justifications for why they think speedrunners justify glitches.
@@joshstephens413 There's no justifications or assumptions at work here, bucko, these are the actual arguments used by actual speedrunners. "Oh the item itself is working as intended so skipping a roadblock and entire sections of the game with it it isnt a glitch, even though every other way of attempting to skip that roadbloack doesn't work!" is something literally only a brainlet or a speedrunner using bias to justify a shortcut would believe.
@@Xeronoia Just because a game design lets you use a programming oversight to skip parts of a game doesn't mean it is necessarily a glitch. I'm not arguing whether the poke doll skip is a glitch or not, but it skipping parts of the game doesn't make it one. Go loo up the definition of a glitch.
@@wombat4191 So I take it you're a brainlet or a speedrunner then.
I took the helix fossil *not for the meme*
Yeah sure
Did he refer to MahDryBread?
@@bossboy191919 he did
I'm pretty sure that by "meme" he was referring to Lord Helix, not MDB.
only reason he said it's not for the meme is because it was for the meme, you wouldn't bring up a meme if you were avoiding it.
Looking back - knowing about the badge boost glitch - that freeze on the Golbat in the Agatha battle wouldve been perfect for setting up withdraw, boosting your speed to hopefully outspeed the final gengar haha
Wow, I had no idea that you would skip learning new moves if you get multiple levels from one big exp chunk
How can someone not love these videos they are so interesting and Jrose has so much integrity to even bypass making things easier. Love these videos one of my favorite channels
What the run-on sentence was that???
Actually he made it easier by not using the pokedoll slip
This is me playing as a 10 year old
[A spinner catches me and I start crying]
I'm the complete opposite, I was the kid who went out of his way to find every trainer on every route lol
@@wibblemu9 same, i always thought that was the point in playing it haha
@@mclarge90 haha ikr I have to enter every building and talk to ever NPC, make sure I get everything
Please do this challenge for every generation! It was such a fun run to watch!
Celebrating you GETTING AN EDITOR that's super awesome by watching and commenting and each of your minimum battles/tier list series. Nothing big, just a few sentences to make sure it helps the algorithm. And the videos are grea.
Sooo, guess who found out that you can skip the fights in Blaine's Gym by using those quiz machines today. Me... I always just assumed they were for aesthetic lol
I just always get them wrong on purpose.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 me too.
I kinda feel bad skipping those battles
When I played Let's Go I was like "did they add a quiz show here"? Because I could not remember the quiz AT ALL from my childhood days, so I GUESS I always just fought.
You sack of potatoes 😂
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 You can always talk to the guy anyway to battle him.
Hey man, just wanted to say that I love your videos! I love watching these really unique runs, and it's clear you have a lot of passion for the game that meant so much to both of us growing up. Keep up the good work
I would love to see the consistent strats. Also, this may be my favorite challenge run. It was really fun and clever (using Mimic, WOW!)
I would certainly also love to see more challenge runs in the future use the "least amount of battles/no optional battles" thing. I still can't believe Red/Blue was beaten with NO optional battles.
Watched it all the way through, enjoyed it thoroughly. You put so much effort into these and it shows. A pleasure to watch as always, jrose
just blew my mind with the bide strat, I swear of all these crazy pokemon runs you have the best
THE MIMIC STRAT!!! THIS ABSOLUTE MAD LAD
One thing that might have made this a bit less of a challenge. A little ol house called the "Day care house" yes you couldnt use it untill you got the fossil since you cant put in HM pokemon. Or the Eevee before evolving. Also wheres the fun walking back and forth for litteral days so good vid did like or something
There’s no day care in gen1
@@JimothiesMemeShack there is, it's near Cerulean
@@JimothiesMemeShack its south of cerulean, you cant breed pokemom but you can level them
or if the rules allow it, you can also use any% cheats to skip ALL trainers ;P but that would ruin the fun, so Itemless/trade less/ cheatless is the most fun.
I think that the HM thing was from later games, I don't see why you couldn't put in the eevee, and you can get a magikarp before Mount Moon without a battle.
Definitely want to see a video with an updated strat! Love your content and enjoy seeing you critically think through these runs. Keep it up!
Editting it right now, should be out in a couple days.
Going back and watching this after the solo runs and all the things you've learned I wanna see how much better this could be now that you know a ton more about these games
I subbed as soon as you said that Vaporeon is one of your favorites. I love Vaporeon so much, I had him on my birthay cake :D
Love how you find creative strategies with terrible moves. Really solid content. I feel like maybe the running commentary of every major battle could be a bit streamlined in your videos, but I really enjoy your challenge runs :3
Jrose, thank you for putting so much time into your videos, and also for answering questions I never would have even asked
It's so cool that he did this challenge. I recommended it a while ago. Thank you mate. Really enjoyed it. The bide trick was fantastic.
68 battles
"We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close."
But anyway, great video, alone because of the massive time effort on your side. Really would like to see the updated strats. But still, great great video, can't stress this enough. And, enjoy the rest of your day!
Merry Christmas Jrose, Merry Christmas
Have a good one
I really liked this video. I really like Pokemon challenges, but after the fourth "can I beat this game with only said Pokemon?" video, which are just enormous grindfests, this video was such a relief and a pleasure to watch.
Beautiful showcasing your deep knowledge of the game, the innovative strategies and the fact you couldn't grind, you had to work with what you had. Congratulations on a work well done!
Please, keep making these. These long challenges are awesome and I love watching them .
I'd like to see the battle number for an average casual playthrough compared to grind-intense runs and this because I think that would be really interesting
Actually I thought of why you can't use the Poke Doll to escape Mother Marowak. You forbid the use of items in battle for your run so if you used the Poke Doll you break your own challenge rule.
He has been using in battle items from the start. WTF are you smoking and why aren't you sharing?
Spectacular, thorough and enjoyable video as usual. I’d love to see more!!
What an incredibly cool run. I was just glued to my screen for the full 80 minutes :D
And great choice of music, too, especially Marnie 2 for the final battle!
glad you made the video, was very entertaining, you thought about doing more videos like this, challenge runs seem to be the in thing atm... ps that bide strat... im crying
I’d be happy to see the improved strats.
This was awesome! One of if not the most interesting of challenge runs I've seen. Would most def love to see a redo video.
Idk how you kept me entertained for nearly 1 hour and 20 mins but your content always, always lives up to jrose expectations
Another long jrose video... an amazing christmas gift
Finally somebody calls out the glitch exploit thing. I've always had a problem with that.
Wow, great job on this video. Must have been really challenging. I'd be interested in seeing a really refined strategy. And I thought you're take on the pokedoll was interesting. I didn't know how I felt about it until you explained your thoughts, and I gotta say that won me over.
This man just keeps invigorating my interest in Pokémon and makes me appreciate the games more than I did as a kid.
God I love this channel so much
1:16:41 switching to a
Pokémon to tank a hit can be a really useful technique. If you know you need to switch, having an intermediate Pokémon go out first will keep the next one safe. It can also be used to protect a main Pokémon from moves like Solar Beam.
All your runs are super interesting and creative. I watch all your videos; keep up the great work!
Great video Jrose! Always a gift seeing you upload!! Keep up the great work
Here: Level 25 Ivysaur vs Level 16-19 Pokémon: "I'm not overleveled"
On the 2nd run: Level 20 Ivysaur vs Level 15-17 Pokémon: "I'm overleveled"
My guess would be about 80, considering the gym leaders and trainers, team rocket, rival battles, necessary npcs, and elite 4. On second thought its probably closer to like 95ish lol
First guess wasn't too far off.
I didn't realize the last few gyms didn't require you to fight many of the trainers. Between that, and the rocket hideout lol it could've made 80
I agree with almost everything you said about the Poke Doll skip. With the exception of it being a glitch. It is not as the developers intended, but the game mechanic of the Poke Doll does work as intended, with an oversight. As you said, the oversight was that the devs did not mean for the Poke Doll to be able to skip over the Ghost. As such, by definition, with the game mechanic working as intended but with an oversight, it is an exploit. That being said, you could have mentioned wanting to do this run as no glitches and no exploits. In addition, you would have had to do Rocket Hideout anyway, as the Poke Doll's use would have broken your "no items in battle" rule.
When you started in on the Poke Doll, I was hoping that you would do Rocket Hideout. I was not disappointed. I have a lot of respect for you for going into that explanation of what you think about the Poke Doll, especially for playing the game as intended, no exceptions, on such a challenging run and for holding yourself to such a high standard.
I believe there is a difference between a glitchless run and a run where the game is played entirely as intended. A completely as intended run would be no glitches, no exploits, and patched as much as possible to remove bugs. However, when patches remove bugs, it changes the original game, which is why some re-releases of games, including gen 1 of Pokemon, have all the glitches, exploits and bugs included. As these issues that a game has also gives it a lot of it's charm.
Have a great holiday season! I am so happy every time I see you in my sub feed. Keep up the great work!
This comment serves only to help with your stats. Merry Christmas.
57:47 You can be unfrozen if a fire move hits you or if you use items in battle, hence why it doesn't kill you.
That name tho
Dunno how I skipped this one, but I'm glad, since now I have a long episode to watch! :) Thanks for the content btw!
omg, when you said "This strategy, I'm surprised it worked" I KNEW it was gonna be Bide! I actually thought of it just while you were talking about Kadabra needing to use Teleport. This is one of the few times when I've come up with the same solution that you used :D To be fair, in Gen 1 there's only so many options so it's much easier, plus Gen 1 is the generation I know by far the most about.
Interesting video. I'm surprised u didn't mention the toxic + leech seed combo. I understand it's a glitch (or exploit) but it's why I always pick bulbasaur in red and blue.
1:07:05 Gotta admit, that is rare, but while playing my Bronzor only run I got 17 Hypnosis misses in a row (with no changes to accuracy or evasiveness)... Since that moment I'm just used to see Hypnosis miss
Wooooo! Merry Christmas everyone! I’m super excited to have a Jrose video for Christmas! I really hope that you keep making content. I’m sorry that the trashy algorithm screws over your videos but you seriously make the best Pokémon content on TH-cam. I hope you have a fantastic holiday!
great video like always, would absolutely love to see the improved strategy!
Dude Leech Seed is OP and my favorite attack in the game!
yup mix leech seed with toxic and that is pain
i'd love to see your refined strategy. this was a really interesting video!
as for the daycare thing, i think it obviously goes against the spirit of the challenge. anyone can drop a gift pokemon in the daycare and get it to level 100 to cheese their way through the game. there's no point in doing a challenge like this if that's the way you want to do it. might as well just play the game normally by that point.
Wow, that battle against Agatha was really intense. It's really cool to see obscure moves being used to save the day. This was a great challenge.
I love these long videos. I know so much went into it so thanks for a great video
Ah, yes, the “My Childhood” run.
Lol until we found the missing number glitch
Bide and Mimic finally have their moment in the sun!
Great video! Doing my research for an upcoming challenge I'm doing! You're stuff is great and inspiring. Keep it up!
Love your stuff keep it up
If jrose hasn't/isn't going to, you should 1000% try this in yellow Scott!
Having watched your recent content, this would be fun to see! You'd have to tweek the starter, maybe an Eevee since it's technically a starter that's given by Oak (just not to the player) in yellow!
Or any (reasonable) pokemon that would make it possible to actually clear Brock and move on to the rest of the game.
The rest of the game is a challenge enough on it's own and would be wildly different than red/blue even when only considering the main story battles!
This is the first video of yours I saw @Jrose11...
Its hilarious now looking back after watching so many of your videos and seeing your discovery of mimic... but more than that getting to 1:08:00 with the frozen Golbat and upon hearing "Can I set up?", and immediately thinking "withdraw for the badge boost glitch", then hearing "No, not really...".
Legit got more impressed with this run, knowing you did it without the power you would become famous for 🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised he didn't go with Zapdos, was expecting that when he mentioned the surfing thing
Nevermind, just realised it's another battle and using item in battle
Disappointed that it was one less than perfect number
Seriously, these challenge videos are so addictive and fun to watch. Thank you for suffering through them
Loved this and all of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Great video, as always! A nice treat for the holiday's