The Weirdest MTG Cheaters Getting Caught!
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Former MtG superstar Mark Justice was once caught cheating in a weird way in GP Atlanta 1997. He submitted a draft list with four Muscle Slivers even though he was only able to draft three. He then went to a dealer to buy a fourth Muscle Sliver but was caught because the one he bought had a different print run. He told the judge that he was simply replacing a misprinted copy he drafted then threw away. The judge asked him to point to which specific trash can he threw the card into and would be allowed to play if it's really there. Needless to say, he got DQ'd and left MtG soon after.
The drafted cards were not stamped ? I thought it was always the case in pro drafts
@@Lanta0dofun if it wasn't the case before, now you why stamping became a thing.
@@Lanta0dofun GPs were being held for barely 2 years at the time and the practice hasn't been adopted yet.
One might say that "Justice was served" on that particular day.
That is such a stupid cheat that I'm kinda inclined to believe him, because I struggle to imagine anyone with the faculties for magic doing such a stupid plan for one more card in your deck.
Random personal story about why Olivier Ruel will always be my favorite pro player. I went to a Grand Prix near Orlando when Lorwyn came out and the format was sealed. I made a 5 color mostly jund elemental pile. The coolest thing the deck could do was exile mulldrifter with galepowder mage and hope that put me far enough ahead to win. I was lucky enough to play against Tiago chan (snapcaster mage) in one round. He was friendly and beat me quickly and moved on which is what we all do. Got paired against Olivier in the next round. I pull off my 2 card power play in game 1 and win. Game 2 he cast protective bubble on aethersnipe and I have no answer. Game 3 I got stuck on 2 lands for majority of the game and he beat me. After that he asked if I wanted to play another game just for fun since I got mana screwed that game. I was surprised but said yes and we played another game talking about our favorite cards. I don't remember who won that game and it doesn't matter. He didn't have to do that. He could have moved on after he won the round but chose to take the time and play an extra game with a random stranger just because we were having fun playing. It was an awesome memory and will always be the highlight of competitive magic for me. At the end of the day we are all people and he chose to spend part of his day connecting with a person which is kind of the main reason to play.
I think a lot of people including pros think highly of Olivier Ruel. In the same vein, a lot of people think highly of Japanese players and often look to them as the meta/trend setters in the early 2000s. Cheating makes you a bad player/gamer but that doesnt mean that you're a bad person. I'm just an optimist, man.
@@kobisjeruk naive is more the word youre looking for
@@kobisjeruk Morality isn't black or white, good or bad. People can be kind to some and underhanded to others. It would be hard for me to trust anyone that had no qualms with cheating, though.
Some people just don't see anything unethical about cheating (usually with the context of "it's not my fault cheating is so effective, I'm just trying to do the best I can, it's everyone for themselves"). And those people will cheat if they can get away with it. Best we can do is make sure they don't get away with it.
I had a similar thing happen. I made a super janky deck back in Innistrad standard that, when it worked correctly, pumped out 5/5 flying demons like nobody's business. I got swept, but my opponent could see what my deck was supposed to do, so he asked to play the third match to see if my deck would go off. It did. It was great.
I think this “Cheaters Exposed” series is good because no game wants to talk about cheating in their game so this is a good way to educate folks about the past of cheating in Magic
Don't watch any poker channels do ya 😉
The funny part is, it's now the correct way to cast a spell,, to move it from your hand to the stack, then calculate its cost, then pay it. There mechanics that require you to do this to use them like convoke and improvise.
Yeah didn’t age well that dq. Sometimes with convoke I’d tapp the lands cast the spell and then tapp additional creatures.
The old rule was that effects resolved in "batches" instead of a stack and tapping lands for mana was considered an interrupt-speed effect (an instant but faster). It was really convoluted back then.
@@mikotagayuna8494 Oh god now that you mention it i remember that now. Way back in the day (I think 5th edition and older) lands even had the effect text "tap: add (symbol-ed) mana to your mana pool."
Saito stepped down from his position as Hareruya CEO and President earlier this year after he was involved in illegal gambling activities. Unknown exactly what he was doing (appears to have just been poker) and the severity of it as Japan has weird gambling laws.
The Dave Mills one is especially crazy considering that rules have been clarified in magic now. Now technically you cast a spell and THEN pay for it. There is no priority shift in this time so it's not like a player can react to the cast to force you to not be able to pay the mana, but otherwise cards like Hinata, Dawn-Crowned just would not work.
Something to note thats not often talking about this DQ is that cheating in magic at this point was extremely rampant including at this event. The judge at this event choosing to punish him for this entirely superficial play order issue over the real cheating instances thst took place that day shows how unserious said judge was taking their job
@@aidencorby8745 because you know what other calls this same judge made that day? you're talking out of your ass.
Before I write the rest of the comment, I feel the need to state that I also find the ruling terrible and nonsensical.
If I had to defend the judge though, I would point out that a player could play a spell, not tap his lands yet, see if the opponent reacts or not and then tap different lands depending on the opponents reaction. Of course a smart opponent won't slam down a counterspell or say "resolves" until the appropriate mana is paid, but it's not unfeasible to think that someone might slip up if EVERYONE else does "payment -> cast" and only one person does "cast -> payment"
'Bribery' is legal in Modern, Legacy, Vintage, and Commander..
I'll show myself out.
My Bribery Deck is made exclusively out of $50 bills
The mana-tapping issue is interesting to me. They changed the rules because of this, but now we now have the abomination that is the Panglacial Wurm/Deranged Assistant rules interaction. To sum up a complicated interaction, Panglacial Wurm can be cast from your library *during* a search effect. In order to cast it, you have to pay its cost, and as part of paying the cost of a spell, you are allowed to produce mana with mana abilities (from lands, Llanowar Elves, etc.). Deranged Assistant (or Millikin) has a mana ability that adds a colorless mana, but also mills a card to do so. This means that anytime a player searches their deck, there is a possibility that they could play the Wurm and mill the top card of their library *during* that search. As such, the order of your library matters even during a search effect and should be maintained.
Thats nothing compared to the Selvala,Explorer Returned Panglacial Wurm interaction.
So you can tap Selvala to add mana. Because of how you pay for spells, you can do this while Panglacial Wurm is on the stack while searching your library.
So you reveal and draw the top card of your library. But wait. Selvala doesn't always add the same amount of mana. And attempting to cast Panglacial Wurm is legal as long as its possible for you to have enough mana. And so if you had 5 forests and cracking an evolving wilds to search, its possible you would have enough mana to cast Panglacial Wurm. But if your opponent reveals a land you don't have the mana to cast Panglacial Wurm. Normally this would just reverse everything. Except you can't reverse the Selvala activation since it drew a card.
So a Judge has to make a ruling on if you used the search to gain advantage by knowing your Selvala draw, the Panglacial Wurm has to return to the exact position it was in the library before, and all other lands get untapped.
@@Dylan-vs6sf It's more that the rules for "what is a manasource ability" are weird and unintuitive. Suddenly, we get those effects that normally could be responded to(like mill or reveal the top card), but now cannot. Their existence is, at least, telegraphed by being always on the board, but it's still weird.
The rule is bad. You should have to tap mana first then cast the spell. This rule probably increased cheating because now you can fast play and avoid paying correct mana costs.
Could Dave Mills have claimed he was just showing a card before playing it? It isn't cheating to have your opponent see a card, right?
I think I'm just tuning in to listen to Vince's ability to tell stories
I didn’t realise this until way later, but one of my regular Magic haunts had a large contingent of Asian players (I’m in Australia, so not that unusual). During pre-releases some of the players would have their friends stand behind their opponents and talk about the cards in their hands in their native tongue. Not even at a tournament, at a goddamn pre-release 🤬
For that last one yeah, that was pretty dumb DQ. As long as hes not using that then Untapped mana to try and sneak extra spells out and used tapping it correctly then that should be fine.
That shuffle cheat video is amazing... made me very insightful and cognizant for my shuffling (realized that I might have shuffling the deck where I couldn't see the bottom card, but half the table might be).
Yeah same here. The way I would shuffle is I don't look at my deck, I cut the deck in half and push both halves back together several times and then cut the deck and finally take the middle half of my cards amd and put it to the top of the deck.
Some people thought I was cheating. Didn't understand it till we caught some players doing slight of hand to cheat cards to the top of the deck.
Idk why people do such sketchy shit. I am competitive. I am involved in my modern community. But if i can see my opponents hand for some reason, i call a judge to fix the problem.
Tomoharu is huge in Japan, he has his own chain of game/card stores and has his own, very successful TH-cam channel "Tomohappy". A great watch if you can understand a little Japanese. Cool guy overall
That’s dumbest one I’ve heard of, but glad it worked out in the end… I love these “lore” videos about the games past.
I had a migraine during a tournament once, so I wore sunglasses. Then someone accused me of cheating and called a judge. I WAS NOT CHEATING! I was in agony! Anyway, I played the rest of the tournament in pain. Please Wotc, do not ban sunglasses.
I dont get how sunglasses are against the rules? If anything they help the opponent
I have a 380 card deck that's specifically designed to screw with cheaters as much as possible. If that doesn't work I just beat them up in the bathroom.
Honestly, the last one is just unfortunate, and was handled about as well as it could have been.
He was doing something that was against the (admittedly daft) rules, and had been warned multiple times to stop. During a PT isn't the time to change the rules.
Fortunately, WotC figured out that the rule was stupid and changed it, so this wouldn't happen in the future.
Honestly, it reminds me somewhat of the 'Borbyrgmos' incident in that way.
Yeah, the Bobarygmos thing was just grimy, because everybody knew what he was talking about. Good that they changed that rule.
the borby incident was a player intentionally abusing the sportsmanship of the game, much different situation
Honestly I don't think it matters that he was warned, playing for a major tournament with money on line inevitable means your under a lot of stress, and that means small stupid mistakes happen, I constantly flip between paying for a spell before I show it and paying for it after I show it, because it just doesn't matter 99 percent of the time and even if it does matter when it comes down to it, like then the opponent that put the counter on it is the one who misplayed, he should have waited for him to go through with his intentions, before he casts a counterspell,
@@calebbarnhouse496 The warnings matter because of the way things escalate. A warning isn't just a judge says "do better next time", but an official mark against that player that they're doing something wrong, and are often used to identify patterns of cheating.
You collect enough warnings, it upgrades to a game loss, then eventually to a DQ.
The reason for this is because people often try to hide cheats behind sloppy behaviour. (Plus it also gives incentive to sharpen up your play if you're actually making mistakes).
Note that I'm not defending the rule he got DQ'd for (it was a dumb rule, and rightfully got removed), just defending the judging team for sticking to the rules until WotC changed them. (I'm also happy that he got his winnings back, and was awarded 2nd).
You really don't want the judging team to be making up decisions on the fly.
@@simonteesdale9752 the problem is that it doesn't matter what the offical tour tournament rules for what is right or wrong, it's entirely on if it is right or wrong, if I go to the bathroom and come back to the table and I approach from behind him and I accidentally see his hand, that's wrong even if it is considered legal, legalility is never and can never equal what is the right call every time, you look at the spirit of the law, not the letter unless your a power tripping ego maniac or just dislike the guy, if he had a good reason to issue the DQ he would have used that, but he didn't so he used an excuse for it, the fact is the job of a judge is not to read a rulebook and copy it letter per letter, the job of a judge is to make sure the spirit of the game comes through, if a judge could issue minor penalties for minor problems fine, but if they are having a problem in a high stress environment it is not your job to throw away the tournament, nothing about it was righr
Two Explores.
I sad hi to my Mom for you, PK.
She yelled at me sceaming "Where's that drink he owes me?"
Seeing his opponents hand in sunglasses is on his opponent.
Correct, but lying to a judge is on him though...
For everytime someone gets caught cheating there's dozens of times they weren't caught. Any "good" player caught cheating should just be assumed to have been cheating their whole career.
That's such a cope, while yes obviously they won't get caught every time, pretending anyone that cheats is always bad is stupid, when money is on the line even the best professional athletes in the world cheat, why would a pay to win card game be any different?
@@calebbarnhouse496 i would work on your reading comprehension there bud.
@@calebbarnhouse496 I recommend working on your reading comprehension.
@@calebbarnhouse496 very non-literate take
@@calebbarnhouse496they can still be good players. They’re probably just good cheaters too. The main point isn’t their skill though, it’s that they shouldn’t be given second chances when they’re caught, because so many cheaters who are shown leniency end up being repeat offenders.
Cheaters love playing spells before tapping lands, they'll place the card down as if they were casting it, if they get a reaction from their opponent e.g. a counter spell or response that's bad for them, they can then pick up the card again and say "I didn't cast that, I never paid for the spell, I was just revealing/putting the card down and working out in my head how I wanted to play my turn"
Honestly, cheaters in magic are fucking exhausting, they make the rest of us good people have to play like robots and watch their moves like a hawk
I watch these series by multiple TH-camrs and will continue to. I've recently gotten into MTG. Haven't played in locals in awhile as I want to build a fun deck first, but I've been to 1 local so far. I used to play yugioh religiously until recently. Anyway these videos are educational. Let's me know what to look for. For instance, shuffle cheaters.
If I were bribed for not going to an event. I would accept the money (cash), and then STILL go to the event. My opponent couldn't complain because everyone would know he cheated and get him disqualified, or even if he calls on me, he cannot prove it, and still be disqualified for admiting bribering.
The best thing about that last story is this. The rules change that lets you tap you mana afther playing the spell. Turned karakclan ironworks into a living rules nightmare later on.
Real talk these cheat video are nice, the war hammer ones I have no idea what the game is about, but I still watched it, thanks Vince for the entertaining contents
Congrats on 100k man you crank some of the best mtg content out there you deserve it
At this point I'm convinced that Vince just mispronounces these people's names on purpose
First off bribery is legal in modern, vintage, Legacy, and Commander.
Other than that awful joke, wouldn't spliting a prize pool by both you and your opponents agreeing to a draw for the last match? Cause that's not uncommon in events
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I once got knocked out of a semi-competative multi-player game (3 person pod single elimination Standard free for all) at an lgs in the first round when one of my opponents said to my other opponent 'if we knock this guy out (that guy being myself) we can take first and second and split the prizes.' I called them out for it after the game as cheating. I was really more miffed about being so blatantly ganged up on and losing to scummy greedy politics than being outplayed by better opponents.
fellow player at my shop told a story about an opponent trying to get him banned.
Final turn of his match, he was about to swing for lethal and his opponent called a judge and pointed out that the corner of one of the cards in his hand was damaged and was therefor marked. He confirmed with the judge that he could just put sleeves on the cards for the next round or remove the card from his deck, but it had no bearing on the current match and the judge agreed.
The deck reorganizing thing: he thought he was playing tournament chess.
The first time I ever played MTG publicly was at a Throne of Eldraine pre-release; I had only played a few games on Arena prior and watched some introductory videos on TH-cam. My first opponent was very nice and helped teach me, which was great, but there was like a four guys who took it upon themselves to watch my every move and insinuate I was cheating because I looked down at my deck when I first shuffled.. like that's literally it.
The whole event's vibe felt very hostile and cut throat and I didn't go to another public event for another year because of it. I'm glad cheaters are getting caught and WotC is no longer tolerating it, but the obsession amongst players with catching cheaters, especially at non-competitive events, really needs to stop.
That’s crazy, I got disqualified from a GP because my opponent slow played and I called the judge twice…. Judge says I was fishing for ruling 🤨
And now I don’t play competitive anymore. Glad I did now, looking at judges now I somehow feel it is even worse.
Oh well, non-sanctioned events maintain my addiction lol
Not sure if this video is correct, last I checked Bribery was legal in Modern, just not legal in standard.
I got one.
when I started playing in like 97 in elementary school we just read the cards and did what they said with no idea of the broader rules. then one day a kid came by with a book of rules, THE rules and claimed he read it cover to cover and proceded to tell us what we were doing right and wrong and he was our rules arbiter for me entire time playing.
of course he never read it, I learned like 20 years later when I tried out arena and discovered that stack exists. to his credit, he lost a lot of games and I don't think he was actually malicious or trying to cheat everyone. I think that was his way in to make friends as kid but he didn't actually want to read the very long book of rules.
I played in the Columbus GP 2010! I also played merfolk, but I didn't cheat or splash black in merfolk so I lost
A guy I knew would stand behind people his friend played against while wearing large sunglasses.
It is to my understanding that there are two ways of casting spells, floating mana and using already floated mana then declaring a cast, and declaring a cast then paying the mana to cast it by tapping or other effects, so when playing a spell to declare the cast (only playing it and not casting it yet) then tapping sources to pay for it it is well within the rules, and this distinction was important for certain cases of being able to pay the mana for a spell but needing other requirements to cast it
They changed the rule
Hence my confusion, thanks for the notification @@nemomoriarty4303
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Feel like that judge for Dave Mills should be banned from any events. What a petty loser.
Not a cheater but Travis Woo would make an...Interesting video.
I disagree on the judge DQ'ing a guy for not tapping mana first as being a bad call. It's a good call. The rules state it and they are there to enforce it. It's also one of those things that if left unchecked would lead to people not paying correct mana cost to use spells by fast playing.
Thé 8:40 one is one of my favorite DQ stories.
He wasn’t cheating, it’s not against the rules to see your opponents hand in the reflection of their glasses.
But lying to a Judge is a cut and dry DQ.
Imma about to cast my spells and THEN tap my mana.
Played against this infamous player a few years ago at a scg, Jeff Hoogland. Just completely insufferable to play against the entire round and was a sore loser after taking the round in 3 games.
During a sanctioned lgs event involving precon decks I was banned for using the deck I was given which was the ajani half of ajani vs nicol bolas because it contained the card crusade.
yeah i'm sure the disposable bot account is telling the truth about culture war bullshit
I think that if you cheat once, you are banned for 5 years. If you cheat twice, or lie to a judge....permanent ban.
Don't cheat. Follow all steps and phases as if a judge is over your shoulder. Have respect for the cards, that means your cards and your opponents cards. No drinks on the table. This is my rule 0.
Grats on 100k mate
So how *_DO_* you approach a prize split without making it sound like you're trying to initiate a bribe? Because I know those are things you can do, and they don't always have to be completely even. I know someone who got to the final round of an event and offered to split the prize such that the opponent would get all the cash prize but he would get the card prizes instead (including the relatively new store-name stamped wurmcoil promo).
I didn't get dq'ed, but I did get a game loss at my LGS because I had a copy of scathe zombies in my deck but 6th edition had rotated out of standard...
i got dqed for having cfb sleeves that were sticking together and i had one too many cards in hand and didn't realize it until after drawing a card. None of the judges even looked at the cards. Wizards ruled that they couldn't prove i did anything wrong but went with the decision anyway. it was utter bullshit
I've accidentally have played spells then tapped and then i would realize what i did then freakout and say to my opponent oh I'm so sorry i did that backwards. I'm not trying to cheat! Meanwhile I'm scrambling to get the card back. He then says oh no they changed that rule. I was like........ Oh okay...... I freaked out for nothing. Him: new to magic? Me: yes
Because so many of these top players cheat it makes me wonder if my deck building and playing is better than I think.
To be honest I feel bad for cheaters . How pathetic of a person they must be to cheat in a card game . cheaters never win .
Every time Saitou cheated it feels like a Looney Tunes skit... unlike most other cheaters I feel like those incidents were the only times he did it lol because he's so bad at it
If his opponent couldn’t make it to the tournament anyways, how is it cheating to offer a consolation prize?
Ok I'm sure someone has answered this somewhere.
Do you actually own land in Scotland now? Is there a 1ftx1ft plot somewhere that is legally yours?
Hello Kenobi, I wonder if you could do a video about cheating in Warhammer? Maybe not in the competitive scene, but just in general maybe?
I know basically nothing about wh, but ypu made me curious if there are like crooked measuring tapes, that mark 1 inch at 1.1inch or something like that
@@tornad8063 I know people use weighted dice and shit like that. It wouldn’t shock me to hear of a rigged measuring tape.
@@starmanda88 do thwy actually buy special over average dice, o just buy over 1000 of them and water test their balance?
I 100% agree with dqing for improper tapping. What happens when I counter you and you never tapped mana so you just ditch the card and don’t pay for it. Now I’ve wasted mana and a counter and you wasted just one card. If you are at pro levels and can’t possibly fathom “tap first you idiot” then you shouldn’t be there. Dq him all day long
Best goodbyes on TH-cam .
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Mentioning how Olivier Ruel is still in the Hall of Fame just makes me so angry thinking about all the other scumbags like Owen Turtenwald that are still in the Hall of Fame. If they were willing to eject Yuuya Watanabe due to cheating, why the hell are these two still in the Hall of Fame??
It amazes me that literally millions of Magic players still don't know that pile shuffling or "power shuffling" is cheating.
I'm getting ready to make another video, and how much people are going to dislike that.
@@PleasantKenobi can you include that pile shuffling was how many of us used to shuffle when we were small babies and the cards were too big for our hands?
I'm not sure I would ever be at the galaxy(?) brain(??) level of "I'm going to do something illegal to try to trick my opponent into doing something illegal to try to make them get a game loss."
Watanabe tron lands marking
Imagine if saitous opponent just called the judge like I’m not cutting that.
lol thats what ith ought when i was watching. if my opponent just picked up theri deck and started rearranging i would immediately have my hand in the air
10000% the tapping mana after thing is bullshit. when i do that, or my opponent does that, we just don't consider the spell properly being cast until the mana is also tapped. it's very simple
It was an old rule, got changed after this specific dq happend.
If you don't heed a warning, you should be DQed.
If it seemed cruel, and the Judge should have let it go, what's the point of a warning?
Personally, I have no problem with DQing a player who repeatedly taps their mana after casting the spell. MTG is a game about steps and rules. What do the rules say about drawing your card before you untap or do upkeep effects? If you can't handle playing the game by the rules then you aren't professional, your sloppy play creates space for cheating and mistakes, and you should be DQ'd. Yes, I play white decks.
Loving the cheaters vids! One tiny gripe, though. 'Saitou' is pronounced like the English words 'sigh' and 'toe.' You were saying something more along the lines of Seitou/Seituu. Not a condemnation or anything of course.
While it is obvious that a player should have no knowledge of unrevealed cards, the sunglasses rulings are weird to me. If I show up to a CCG tournament wearing a frikking mirror on my chest, will I win through having all my opponents getting DQ'd?
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the guy that DQ'd your friend is the last person that should be a judge.
If you cheat in a casual game you are just an insecure jackass. If you cheat when there is a prize, you are that and a thief.
so you are saying the Japanese guy was cheating because he offered money to someone who could not attend the match? I mean I don't know why he would try to bribe someone if they are already not going to show up. Am I missing something?
You have a fine topic but the way you present it is so boring. You just yap and yap and doesnt even show (in visual) how they cheat. Watch some of youtuber Nickachu's video for examples of entertaining videos about mtg cheaters. Watch and learn. I hope your channel improves.
Nikachu's reaction content is pretty simple and basic. Alot of other people seem to enjoy my content. I hope your ability to not be a basic bitch improves.
@@PleasantKenobi it seems you are not keen on taking criticism to improve your content. Believe me, watching you explain the the cheats with just you on the camera doesnt give much perspective on the topic. Nikachu shows it visually and points out the exact time they cheat. Seriously i get drowsy on your video in just 2 mins with all i see is your face yapping around. Pls grow up. If you cant accept criticism, you will never improve. You are definitely not pleasant nor a jedi.
Telling someone they are "yapping" isn't criticism. Try not being such a dickhead right off the bat and people might listen.
@@PleasantKenobi it is also sad you berate nikachu as simple and basic while anyone who would watch his video and compare it to yours would say otherwise. This just show you reject new ideas instead of absorbing it to improve yourself.
I think he has a point. Visuals would really help your video improve. Show some clips of the actual cheating. Your explanation and voice is already great.
Dumb or not, the rules are the rules. Dave Mills could not follow the rules, and was disqualified. I'm glad the rules were changed and he was eventually awarded the prize money, but that judge was more than generous made the right call in the moment.
That last one is a big oof.
I've watched all your videos about cheaters but I'm still really bad at it, you need to make better tutorials smh
Nice one
The best way I've advised people talking about towing the "bribery/splitting" line : match results and prizes MUST be separate islands. One may discuss intentional Concessions/Draws, or splitting prizes. However the moment one topic is breached, the other should not be touched.
Note : This isn't a guarantee, always consult your event's judge if you're concerned about crossing any lines when negotiating.
I am fairly sure that Saitou doesn't own hareruya anymore. He got caught by Japanese police/officials for illegal gambling and as most forms of gambling are illegal in Japan its hard to say what he actually did, Hareruya released a statement regarding this on their english twitter in early june
Some people just don't know when to quit, huh.
Waaat? Anyone know what kind of gambling?
@@joe.5103 poker - Japan has some stringent gambling laws
Gambling for money with games like Poker is straight up forbidden in Japan.
For example, Pachinko (Japans most popular style of gambling machine) works via a loophole. Instead of winning money from the machines the players gain a currency which they can exchange for a variety of weird and mostly low value items (Like, for example, a teddy bear).
However: Directly besides a pachinko parlor (Or very close by) is a pawnshop where they can exchange the prize they just aquired for money (and said prize returning to the prize selection, because the Pawnshop and the Pachinko Parlor is most often owned by the same company/people)
How is Hareruya viewed outside of Japan? (currently living in Japan and it's the only place I can reliably buy and play MTG)
Do I think that you should get DQ’d from an event for an intricacy like playing your spell then tapping your land? No.
Do I think you should get DQ’d from an event for doing something consistently after being told by a judge multiple times to stop and even getting a warning? Probably
the one thing about the mana disqualifications is how thorough the rules are nowadays about how the first thing you ever do when casting a spell, is announcing that you're casting said spell. i'd love to see the rulebook back then about how casting spells worked.
Back then mana burn was a thing, remember? The process for casting a spell was different. You had to have the mana in your mana pool already before attempting to cast a spell. Otherwise what it looks like you could be doing (obviously he wasn't), but it looks like you might be trying to cast the first spell for free, then tap the mana for a 2nd spell if you're opponent isn't paying attention.
Yep. Any attempt at deception should be eliminated in high level play at a minimum
@@damionwhitehead1165 but that's the thing, if i know what spell my opponent is casting ahead of time i can pay more attention to how he taps for mana. mana burn being irrelevant wether you casted the spell for free or you paid for it before or afterwards.
time proved it was a dumb rule since it got changed later.
@@ShinkuDragon isn't this what made control viable at all back then? killing people with mana burn
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 i honestly don't know if that's how mana worked when countering spells back then
Speed runners have a similar issue. The cheaters are usually highly skilled players who have been trying so hard but fall short of their goal, so they cheat because they feel they deserve the win
You also can't cheat without getting caught unless you know as much about the intricacies of a game as anyone else
Speed runner cheaters usually get caught when someone figures out some extremely minor detail doesn't quite match up, and I'm sure a lot of clever MTG players have never been caught because you can't hyper analyse every second of their play
Who the fuck brings reflective sunglasses to a card game in a building lol
Anyway, kinda sad how so many pro players (or close to) blatantly cheated their way in many events. Probably only a part of them got actually caught!
Was really cool to see you on commentary for the fab protour.
10:16 Fucking gasp made me jump
I love how that last guy's dq was so controversial it changed the pro tour rules
As somebody who's never kept up with competitive Magic I greatly enjoy your videos going over its long historys highlights
As someone for whom sunglasses are necessary to see in some environments, I really hope that I won't have to show up with a doctor's note and/or constantly be forced to defend my wearing them in certain venues (an issue I have in some non-mtg scenarios). At the same time, I try to take particular effort not to align them with my hand, making it more difficult for my opponents to sneak a peek (in theory). That said, it seems to be common courtesy to alert one's opponent if such reflections are visible, even if failing to do so isn't an actual infraction.
Dumbest DQ in MtG history? Yes. Deserved? Also yes. You know how to play the game properly for your time. You have MULTIPLE warnings from MULTIPLE judges. They’re fed up with telling you at that point. Especially for something so minor. I am glad he got his prize second place prize money in the end.
Not trying to nit pick, but Saito is pronounced as an i and not an a. Its pronounced like Sightoe. The ai makes an i sound.
Wait isnt the rule anounce your spell than pay it? Because if you have a chromatic sphere you can let it count for affinity and afterwords pay the spell wich was discounted with it. 601.2. To cast a spell is to take it from where it is (usually the hand), put it on the stack, and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect.
So now its more correct to put it on stack and pay the mana afterwords. Or did he pay after the resolution what would still be wrong (if you are a rulesshark)
mega-brain move: wear big sunglasses to purposefully reflect your hand, then get your opponent DQ'd for cheating when they inevitably look