Do Foil MTG Cards Cause Cheating?
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- This is a re-upload with some correction, as I got the person's pronouns wrong, and I ain't about that. Let talk: Warped foils found to be giving the player playing them advantages in a game, and get's them disqualified at Dreamhack.
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My issue with this is that WOTC prints cards that are "tournament legal" but almost universally aren't because of warping, but they can't just come out and say it because then people won't buy them as much. What we end up with is tournament goers are required to know this information that is intentionally unclear (on WOTCs part). Sure people who play and go to tournaments regularly are aware of this, but a new player coming in and seeing Secret Lairs are going to think these are legal cards (when 'common' knowledge in the community is that they can get you banned). Considering WOTC keeps talking up accessibility for newer players, it really doesn't seem like they mean it.
I agree 101%
WotC can't come out and say that Secret Lair foils are not allowed at tournaments because that could cause a lawsuit since Secret Lairs are advertised as being tournament legal
@@austinnowak5414 Well then in that case, it wasn't cheating - the player did not modify the cards, their warping wasn't on him. The situation is bollocks.
@@MrMeszaros if only important cards are foil then it does look bad on the player
It's also just conceptually incredibly stupid. Imagine getting banned from a tournament for playing with cards you bought directly from the company that owns your game
It sure seems wrong that premium cards are almost unplayable in tournaments. Even if wotc ignores the secondary market, secret lairs cards should be legal. Really hope they just work on quality on foils.
I feel like Wizards needs to allow proxies for foil cards in tournaments if they’re going to sell them and claim they’re tournament legal cards
@@muddlewait8844 just allow proxies for all cards at all events, decouple the card game from the collectibles
Yes, it is nefarious business practice to print cards that can not be used in tournament play right out of the pack, ESPECIALLY when they are the more expensive "luxury" versions of the card. Its infuriating. FIX YOUR DAMN CARD STOCK WOTC
@@vulcanh254 like in the video, say it's been a few turns and only select cards are foil, that can influence a decision (like an upkeep coco to avoid drawing a target).
The last 2 prints of CoCo were only available in foil. If you wanted to use nonfoils, the last opportunity to get them was DTK in 2015.... 7 years ago. A few shady characters have poisoned the well water about this discussion when the onus should be on the company producing the product in the first place. Some of these junk foils and shoddy cardstock aren't even fit for commander and casual play.
i mean yeah idt that's a controversial take to say wotc needs to produce better foils, but foils shouldnt even be allowed in official tournaments.
It is 100% on him. The DTK nonfoil versions of CoCo cost about the same as the SL version, it's not like they're prohibitively expensive. He admitted to knowing beforehand that it could be a problem and yet didn't ask a judge if they were okay, therefore he knowingly used cards he could have gained an advantage from and needed to be DQ'd.
Non foil Collected company is like $10 on tcgplayer. There's no issue here.
@@aidanchutkan8662 It's definitely a shame that this cheater is getting press for cheating and getting caught, instead of it being a more expensive card with only special reprintings and so on, a cleaner case for "WOTC needs to get its shit together" than this one. Because WOTC needs to ensure people can actually play the fancy versions of the cards they treasure and value.
Banning foils in official tournaments is actually a pretty effective way to 1) Avoid the issue of curled foils giving players additional information, 2) make it so if WOTC wants there to be an effective reprint of something they have to print it in nonfoil, and 3) likely drive down the price of foil cards for more casual players.
I may be wronng but aren't ALL SL available in nonfoil? I only have ever bought 1 annd it was non foil.
@@lracseroom8286 Unfortunately no, some secret lairs have only been available in foil.
@@lracseroom8286 Imagine thinking Wotc would make magic product consistent and sensible 🤣
Or... Make higher quality cards...
Maybe if they actually made their foils properly, they wouldn't hard curl. The new transformer foils don't even have an actual rare indicator stamped on them, the entire foil front and back of the card is just more or less a sticker they put onto the cardboard.
I had a commander deck with a warped foil. I play over webcam so I don't have an opponent cutting my deck. I did a little test, and shuffled through my deck a good twenty times or so, each time I was able to hit that card and flip over my cut at exactly that point.
Full foil, fixed.
@@iSupportDaThing curling is inconsintent between prints
Idk if he was cheating but it's a sad state of affairs that the most expensive cards are literally unplayable due to known manufacturing defects.
Amazing how I have foils from invasion that have never seen the inside of a sleeve just as straight as the day they came out of the pack yet modern foils curl in an hour of being exposed to slightly moist air
More like Pringled before even being opened, I bought the brothers war commander precons, both foil commanders in both decks looked like Pringles as soon as I opened the plastic wrap.
Yes, it made me mad when he said that old foils curl also. I have MANY MANY old foils that have never curled at all and are straight as can be. Where as new foils are curled out the pack. Its crap and needs to be addressed.
@@J_Dubb1 Yeah. When people talking about old foils, they don't mean Lorwyn, they mean Scourge, Torment, Judgement, etc.
It's clearly WotC's fault, too. They print the cards and don't do enough to prevent the foils from curling.
The etched foils and foils from the Bro set boosters are honestly fantastic. Perfectly flat. They need to use these as the base foil style.
The default penalty for Marked Cards is a Warning. If there appears to be a discernible pattern (even if it's not a perfect pattern), and the judge believes noticing the pattern would give the player an advantage, it's a Game Loss. If the cards being Marked appears to be intentional, then it's a Disqualification.
I really don't see how this is not falling under some consumer protection laws. I can't see any analogy were you can buy a product and be punished for using it as intended.
I def see the cheat here, creatures all bent ... Collected company
Especially given these are Secret Lairs so single cards that could and should by rights be replaced if they are not fit for use.
It really sounds like the only real reason to upkeep a CoCo is if you know the top card of your deck is a creature you're looking to hit (not "down 2" because then you'd just draw and still play CoCo for the creature that's now just "down 1"), or in response to something you're opponent is doing.
Yep, on rare occasions I will play Coco on upkeep if I had put something on top with Flamekin Harbinger, for instance. I could see a scenario where you are desperate to top deck a bolt and have a creature in your deck that may affect your draw (like a creature that scrys on ETB) but that scenario seems tenuous at best.
@@enderak1780 right, there's definitely a ton of cards like Brainstorm, Mirri's Guile, SDT (you know, not the ones legal in Modern) where you'd legitimately know the top card. This sounds like they illegitimately knew...
Incidentally, end stepping a Congregation at Dawn in a CoCo deck seems strong (but you still wouldn't upkeep the CoCo, because you'd just draw the Mana dork and then have the next 2 cards be the 3 drops...).
funny enough I had a similar situation with a completely different ending this weekend. i was playing in Sofia at the RC Europe with my phoenix deck. basically every card that has an alternate artwork/extended border etc available is in my deck (non foil) the only "fancry' printings of Aether Gust(secret lair) and Disdainful Stroke (FNM Promo) are foil. so I asked the judge before round 1 and they told me Stroke is fine and my Gusts aren't so I swapped them and had no more issues.
I was like 'oh cool new pk video' then I went 'wait a minute, I've already heard this bit'
good on you mate
I had an entire commander 40K foil deck that was curled out of the box….but this slightly different scenario I guess
I understand that Tournament Rules specify you can issue proxies as headjudge for foil cards "for whitch there is no non-foil version available"; however I've always thought that to be unecesarilly restrictive. Just issue them a proxy and let then play. They do own a ""legal"" copy of the card.
I got a game loss once for shuffling wrong. Got distracted late in the day and pushed half my deck in upside down, and a judge reckoned that I was doing it to find Courser of Kruphix. Like, 2/4's don't win games.
I feel like there's got to be more to this story. Was a certain type of card they only ones upside down? Or maybe all your sideboard cards or something?
@@ozzfan46 a lot of enchantments in a constellation deck, in game 2. Not enough that it was all copies, but enough to be "consistent". I was never bothered about keeping cards the right way around, so mash shuffling a bunch without care for sleeves and order in deck eventually caught up to me.
@@diagnosisninja that's actually why I've moved to art sleeves. Easy to tell when I box shuffle myself and then fix it without changing the order of the deck
2/4's that give card advantage absolutely can win games.
One of the reasons why I don't use foils in my deck. Since I use tons of Guru lands, and beta duals, my mana base alone will be non-foil, if I foil the other non-lands then, due to how the foils tend to curve, if I can differentiate by looking at the deck and can tell which ones are lands and non-lands that feels like marking it. in a high REL setting, wouldnt want to risk it.
This can also apply to people who's only foils in the deck are their win-cons / combo pieces, and the rest not foiled.
My buddies that play a lot of tournaments mentioned the issue with having specific cards as foil in a deck, so I honestly just ponied up and completely foiled out my Mono-G Tron deck. If I loose a match at least I'll loose in style. Also when I double-sleeve my foils in perfect fits and Dragonshields, which do very good at preventing warping.
I had to play the last two games of the final round of the local PTQ for PT Charleston under the watchful eye of a judge because the only foils in my deck were copies of Battlefield Forge. I was young and naive. I hadn't even thought about the potential for advantage.
Urza block was the first one with foils, specifically Urza's Legacy.
I thought it was 7th edition?
It was actually Urza’s Saga, the promo’s were the first foils released to the large public.
The player wasn't DQ'd for having foils - he was DQ'd for having marked cards in his deck. The foil story is just him trying to get ahead of it and spin his own narrative. Supposedly specific cards were in foil and the corners of the sleeves were bent to help him identify certain cards in the deck.
Foils do normally curl on their own.
So: Only your opponent gets to cut your deck.
That being said, i did catch a player cheating by placing all of their lands near the top of their sleeves. The upshot of that is they can see where their land is when they are deciding whether to keep a draw or mulligan. I can see using all foil lands in the same way.
So much of the competitive Magic scene is shitty. Even before WotC got rid of the Judges program and slashed all support for competitive play when Arena came out, the top tables were full of the biggest dickheads in the room squeezing wins out of minor technical misplays or cheating in grey area ways. This kind of shit makes me not want to bother even more. Several friends of mine who judge big events regularly comment all the time about how it's hard for them to even keep track of what a real Magic card looks like anymore with all the Secret Lair and alt-art treatments going around.
Once I stopped signing up for main events at GPs and MagicFests and just went to play side events, trade, hang out with friends, shop at vendors, and meet artists, the game became way more fun. Competitive main events should still exist so those annoying uber-spike players can go over to that other side of the convention hall while I can enjoy playing with reasonable people on my side. 😛
My collection is so old I don't really have foils. Remember the days when there were no foils and rare was the highest rarity?
The tournament should have supplied him with a tournament-sanctioned proxy to use, it would cost them nothing and make it fair for everyone, since these are apparently legal cards.
So pre-Urza's saga? You realize that was 24 years ago, and there were just 4 years of rarity only.
Strange thing to be caught up on.
The thing here is that the player just presented the deck at the beginning of every round until it was noticed. If at the start of the event they went to the judges to solve it, it'd be fine with a basic land with a CoCo written in it, but this was not the case. Having played with the curled cards makes it possible to gain an advante
I have always stayed away from foil if I'm building a deck for competition since I cannot afford everything to be foil cards. I don't like being questioned by anyone when playing at an event, it makes me tilt...
I still don't get why foils are desired. I pretty much sell any I open immediately. They are the same bloody cards except they are shit quality. Why pay more for a worse product?
I feel the exact same way. Foils just bring more problems than what they are worth. They are more expensive, it ruins the card quality and now they're not tournament legal? Just play proxies seriously
Very true…I think the foil effect actually distracts from the artwork as well. Never liked foils.
Me too! Aesthetically I think they look awful. If I could opt to buy packs without foils, I totally would.
I've actually had curled foils give me a DISadvantage many many times, where cards that I absolutely did NOT want cut to the top or bottom ended up there consistently... It's one of the reasons I don't engage with paper TCGs anymore. (The other being money, of course.)
mad respect for the reupload, watching again to appease the algorithm
foils have always been a tournament issue and it is on the players to check, but at the same time players should be able to trust the product they are buying is fit for purpose. One of the selling points for SL is the abilty to personalise your deck and make it your own and to "bling it out" and this is making the foils in games more of an issue than it was in the past. They know the SL foils they are selling are for playing with and you cant play with them. Just because there isnt judges at casual levels doesnt mean all the same problems with using foils doent exist everywhere else.
A player shouldnt have to buy 2 copies of the deck just incase its not legal because of foils
I don't play outside of kitchen table anymore. Most times I play against Deep IQ or one of the Challenge Decks. When I was touring local tournaments I'd catch opponents attempting all kinds of shenanigans with their libraries from crimping lands and turning preferred cards to flat out forced shuffling.
This is more a case of an exploit than cheat. It's not much different than when players discover a strange interaction that causes infinite mana or damage or 1/1 creature tokens with haste. Getting banned for breaking the game? Sounds like the Emperor needs new clothes.
If you keep foils in a humidity controlled environment they don't curl. Use a sealed container and a humidity control pack. Don't know the exact humidity level but you can probably google that.
I wonder if other tcgs have the same issue. I knew that foils warped, but people using that to cheat never occurred to me, but I always played super casually and haven't played since pre-covid. It also sounds like wotc is providing resources for people to cheat due to the nature of how badly the foils curl even right out of the packaging
its pretty common in yugioh and pokemon, they're just smaller games and not mtg so if you exclusively consume mtg content you'll never see it.
Yu-Gi-Oh has it to a pretty negligible degree, Force of Will (RIP you beautiful game) had such high quality and stiff cardstock that the cards were almost like plastic, Pokemon cards are between MTG and YGO in curlyness. The really shittery about MTG's cards is that the foil curling got worse tenfold since around Oath of the Gatewach.
Are there any sleeves that straighten out warped cards? You'd have thought there would at least be some hard inner sleeves or something to help.
Buckle up for a easy going scenic educational ride 😉 Lesson in competitive play, dont foil out your competitive decks. Sad times.
If wizards prints a card I should be able to use it as long as I take good care of the card....With foils it's really out of my hands if it warps or not or maybe it was warped right out the box kinda like my prerelase promos from brothers war. 😜
Reuploading just to respect a pronoun real class act man keep it up
What was the change anyway?
a joke. right?
You ever pray to the god of memes that a comment is some kind of joke?
@@MisanthropicCurmudgeon no, I’m an adult with a job
@@MisanthropicCurmudgeonyou ever pray that people will learn some respect or will at least learn something?
I unbuckled my seatbelt, at your suggestion, and the ensuing excitement resulted in a traumatic brain injury.
Why Kenobs?
Do you think magic is going to serve players online and collectors/investors in paper?
It really sucks that this isn't a more-clean case of foils fucking something up, because this guy was CLEARLY cheating.
I wish there was a cleaner situation for this where maybe the guy brought his deck to judges for evaluation and couldn't play his deck because he didn't have non-foil versions on hand or time to source them. WOTC needs to get its shit together finally about foils, this has always been a problem. I'd rather they print better physical quality cards, but they need to make a ruling.
As a judge who also only uses the same color sleeves (black matte dragonshield aka the best sleeves) I wouldn't have issued a warning to you either, unless there was a pattern. I would give a warning to someone with obvious curve in their deck due to foils but we can give them proxy cards to fix that problem.
For real though. Rather than DQ, you should be allowing proxies in a situation like this.
Saw this was taken down yesterday cool to see it got re uploaded
if official products enable cheating, then the blame is at least partly on the official product.
I can see a scenario where the upkeep Coco makes sense though I dont know if thats the situation they were in.
if you have a skyclave apparition with something under it and have cast 2 spells this turn and your opponent has a moonrage brute on the battlefield doing a coco in upkeep when night has turn to day and moonrage brute is back to being a brutal cathar means you can hit your own skyclave or brutal cathar with your opponents brutal cathar abillity on the stack, brutal cathar has new templating so removing it before the abillity resolves means the abillity did nothing so your skyclave with potentially a 4 mana card under it never leaves the field. now you could have done this in the end step but you'd lose 3 life thanks to brutal cathars ward abillity.
not really about the upkeep coco, its more about the fact they got these warped foils and making that decisions means they likely had some intuition about the next few cards (due to his foils being warped)
@@islandultra yes of course but the warping of the cards doesn't mean that activating the coco in the upkeep isn't the correct thing to do regardless of cheating or not
@@ck3763 in a vacuum no, but it begs to question why you ignore the totality of the circumstance, he had already asked if some of the cards were too damaged, so he knew to some extent he may get called out for it.
Okay, but if they knew, why not at opponents end step?
was the library shuffled inbetween?
I don't think they were cheating. Maybe if the tournament had a Public announcement that one cannot use foils or something like that.
Upkeep was the soonest he could do it. His lands were tapped in the end step
Tupperware and moisture packets fix CURLING but nobody talks about that.
By any law of physics they should just re-curl as soon as you take the deck anywhere, though?
Nawh and it turns out they're drying up instead of becoming more moist.
People do talk about it, MTGgoldfish has a whole article about it. Also it depends if there too much or too little moisture to determine if moisture pack or silica packs are used.
@@leress I just want to live in a world where we take care of our pringles.
idk how about wotc makes better foils that don't turn into taquitos
WOTC, Lessen the deluge of products and increase print, inking and card stock quality.
A couple books, a big ziploc bag and a couple boveda packs will straighten them cards right up without issue.
Man rerecorded and reuploaded an entire video just to correct the pronouns. Mad respect for that.
If a card is legal, it can't be cheating imo. No matter what advantage you can get out of it.
Either you ban foil cards altogether or you allow them, this kind of ban is nonsense.
So I don't think foils should be banned. There's a lot of misinformation about foils out there, but as a judge I can tell you just make sure you can't cut to it and you're fine. I play judge chalices in my 8 cast deck, they are 2 Snow Islands (Etched) are the only foils in the main. I double sleeve with KMC perfect hard inner sleeves and you cannot tell the difference between those and any other card in my deck. Hell the only reason I play judge chalices are they are the ones I have. I got them from conferences and such, and yes I could trade them and get non-foil ones but I like this art. Same with my snow islands. I am very picky when it comes to the arts in my deck and typically try to go non-foil unless it only has a foil version, or I go after Etched because they don't warp. So again, don't be worried about foils if they aren't distinguishable from other cards in your deck. If they are don't play them. Also don't be "that guy" trying to call out your opponent for playing foils and hoping to get a game loss for them unless you notice an obvious flaw (curling, something off with the sleeve, DFCs visible through the sleeve, etc).
The problem with foils is that wizards is just cheap and shitty with their printing process. yugioh doesn't get this problem because even with 16 different kinds of foiling they still have consistent print quality and their cards don't warp so easily.
From The original upload:Worth to note that Collected Company has only been reprinted as a Judge Promo and a Secret Lair after its original printing in 2015. I would assume this makes it harder to get a non-foil playset
If they know foils curl, then fix it.
So you're saying foils aren't tournament legal. You're saying foils are proxies. You're saying that WotC has always supported proxies.
I love paying money for an official product that end up not being tournament legal. /s
Foils have the same practical value as proxies at this point
So Non foils are game pieces and foils are meant to be put in a binder on a shelf and looked at and not played with is what I'm gathering ? Why say they are ok in casual and commander why would the cheating potential be ok there? Tournments need to adopt a zero foil policy if mid game a legal piece can become a cheating one.
I dont see how people can have a problem with this. I have foils in my modern deck but they are in ultra pro sleeves held very tight in a deckbox. When I pull those bad boys out, they are flatter than a pancake. Sure if you just leave your deck laying loose for a long time in a high humidity room or something the card could curl up a bit and then be a problem, but WHO DOES THAT?
It's pretty screwed up that you can have a deck of tournament legal cards and be forced to purchase additional product
So if the foils are causing cheating why not ban them in competitive? And I'm not defending the player but if it was something outside of the manufacturing of the card then it would be guaranteed but this is a fault of the product itself so it's more of an interpretation of the situation to actually be intentional cheating for a simple fact the foils are playable and the issue at hand can happen without being tampered by the owner of the card. Just another consideration before determining the results and banning someone who may not have intentionally tried to get advantage.
Thought i was going a bit crazy when i saw this video had been uploaded a few mins ago when i had already seen it lol. Respect on respecting their pronouns
Does this mean that foils are not tournament legal now if this is a thing.
Wotc printing faulty products IS the problem. If you buy their products and cannot be used in official tournaments, then the product maker is at fault.
This is bigger than one person trying to exploit a manufacturing defect.
I think that if wotc wants to continue to sell this product, at minimum, they should include a disclaimer that there is a possibility their cards won’t be tournament legal.
Why can't if you have foils just let your opponent cut?
This is why I build almost all foil decks Pringle all the way
Hot take: foils=fool's gold. Just my opinion, thought that when they first came out...
If the card is curled so much that, when your deck is sitting there on the table, you can see where it is in the deck, it's your fault lol.
Sorry, if you can't play with the original card of the game that's wrong, that a wotc problem that type of card need to be accepted because it's ORIGINAL BY THEN the quality is shit because wotc treats the game like shit so the tournaments have to ban legal prints because of this it's just absurd to me
So basically WotC has such cheap production standards, that their official cards are not tournament legal...
Do buy a box promos still exist? Because I bought a Baldur's Gate box for cheap and didn't get a promo and makes me wonder because youtubers opening boxes don't seem to get promos either
Yes. Baldur's Gate was a full alt art Elder Brain.
I used to play in foils exclusively but their curling got to be too much.
Idk man i have plenty of old foils that dont have any curl to them
I've never had a problem with foils curling.
Store your cards under pressure.
I get that you could cheat but most judges assume that you are a magician. Like I got a game loss because I did quick tokens with cards that were in different sleeves and everything
They said I could have used one of them in game. How? You mean to tell me that in a competitive game my opponent would not notice me take out the cards of their sleeves and resleeve them then used a card that's never been used in the history of pioneer?
Foil cards? More like fail cards!
if this is a potential problem , simple make a rule no foils are allowed in tournament!
M25 has the best curl, or From the vaults.
Wizards not fixing their foils is just lazy. Both Pokémon and yugioh have almost no issues with fouls curling
Wtf? This is kids stuff. I played MtG back in Ice Age, I qualified for the first Vs System pro tour at Gencon. Ever since the days of Pokémon we all knew could feel different and shuffle different. Either all foils or none. Durp.
What if 100% of your deck is Pringles?
Foils suck. I actively avoid them and will pay more for a non foil. That’s sad
I have contacted WOTC about this SEVERAL TIMES. I have a bunch of old foils that are not curled at all, all my curled foils are from the last 10 years approx. I do not agree that it is not WOTCs fault, it ABSOLUTELY is their fault. MANY MANY other TCG's are able to print foils that do not curl. They just need to use a card stock that is of high enough quality that it does not happen, but they do not want to do this because of the extra cost to them out the gate. I do not like that you are giving WOTC the credit they do not deserve. As WOTC has decreased the quality of the card stock the cards have curled significantly more (see Ixlan era for NON foils that curled out the pack). So it is an fairly easy fix and CAN BE DONE if they were not so f'ing cheap.
I suppose making foils that don't warp is out of the question.
I stopped being a judge when they started charging a fee to be one, but I remember that official tournament rules say that you can proxy any card in your deck if you have the real cards with you and you get the proxies approved by a judge before the tournament begins. The rule was implemented so you didn't have to shuffle and play with your black Black Lotus or whatever and lower its value. This rule is also necessary for when someone doesn't have fully opaque sleeves and has old and damaged cards or transform cards.
Is this incorrect. You can only get a proxy if it's damaged during the tournament or only foil printings exist.
@@tiptopa1 After doing some research, it looks like you are correct. This is very disappointing. If you own the card, but can't play it because it is foil and curled, a judge should be allowed to issue a proxy to be used in its stead.
Magic keeps giving me more reasons to be proud of myself that I quit this game.
Deja vu
We’re his basic lands foiled?
The are all warped so no nevermind.
So why was this re-uploaded? Anyhow....
I live in Michigan, USA, an extremely humid state. So it's not just humidity. We didn't have these problems with foils until FTV started and WotC introduced their new foiling process. There's still foils from before FTV that STILL are flat as a normal card. So stop blaming humidity and blame WotC's cheap-ass foiling process.
As for foils, I have no sympathy for anyone that gets busted on these things. It's been known for over a decade that foils suck.
kind of sad how shitty card printing in this game is that the foils do that. Just make thicker cards ffs
Capable of cheating, gotta get this guy out of magic permanently. Actual cheating, take a time out, when you're ready c'mon back Johnny Pro Player.
This guy cheated and deserved to be banned. WOTC does not give two squirts about this issue as they have blatantly ignored this major problem for years. Players don't understand the drawback of secret lairs and endless promos but boy are events gonna bring them to understand the large amount of trash they support by endlessly buying crap. If your gonna do more videos about this do your homework next time.
Yugioh doesn't have the Pringle problem
Wizards if more seasoned, fucking hell
Thanks for reuploading with fixed pronouns, gonna watch this again! And yeah the way they do foils in MTG is pretty fucked, I play Yugioh and while there is some curling it is much less extreme - WOTC really need to fix their shit.
Do foil cards cause cheating? here are some better questions:
1. How is it that I have foils that are well over a decade old from other games that are still flat while I can buy a pack of brothers war and ALL the cards are fucking pringles depite being “fresh from the press” and costing multiple times more?
2. Should pro players be suing WOTC/Mattel for printing cards that are made so shittily that they curl before arrival despite every product from the foil secret lair drops to the foil 40k commander decks having the word “premium” slapped on it like we’re supposed to believe anyone in WOTC/Mattel’s marketing even knows what that word means
Hasbro, not Mattel
I respect you for the fix ^^ I have seen the video yesterday, and am now watching it again ^^
Same
Foils not being viable for competitive play may not be new for magic but it’s a bit of an anomaly as most TCG have cards that only come in foil and don’t warp as bad as mtg foils
case in point, most JP TCGs dont warp as much and those cards are so shinny, its mindbogglingly blinding.
Finally. A better way to pay to win.
Most of my foils from pre-Ravnica city of guilds are not even slightly curled. My strixxhaven foils might as well be Pringles