Also that move being worse surf until gen 4 doesn't help (it doesn't have its flinch chance it has weaker power surf doesn't hit your ally in doubles in gen 3 etc.)
Presenting: the seaking paradox. Seaking, by being the most average Pokemon, is made unique in its averageness. As such, seaking cannot be average. However, if seaking is not average, then it loses any claim it had to the title of most average. Loss of this title, however, makes a seaking the most average once again...
@@blip_existsCounter-counterpoint: That would mean that Seaking's specialty is nullified, as it is no longer unique, so it is average once again. However, this reinstates the paradox. Basically, the comment's paradox switches from Plane 0 and Plane 1, and you added Plane 2, which folds back into Plane 1.
This would only apply if the title of the video was "who is the most uninteresting pokemon". Because we have not made any claim about how being average is uninteresting, there's no paradox ;)
@@ClaraDeLemon not necessarily. if a Pokemon is unique, then by definition it cannot be average. By being average, seaking is made unique. Uniqueness by definition removes any possibility of averageness because something that is unique has deviated from the norm
Regarding Seaking having previously had a signature move-Slack Off used to be a signature move of the Slakoth line so that isn’t a point for Vigoroth either
@@blip_exists Especially the older mons, mainly because there was so few mons and so few moves in the early gens that it was almost inevitable a move you see every day on so many Pokemon used to be a signature move
Waterfall. Everyone forgets about it because rarity and even if you used a Seaking, Surf is better and probably available by the time you can learn it.
@@johnruhd5917 This is most powerful in the romhack meta, where people occasionally just plumb forget Seaking learns it by level, and thus you can sneak into all the funny postgame stuff early
I mean If you are using seaking you are using it for the fact it only has 1 weakness with lightning rod and resist boltbeam and surf beam. Basically you are dunking on starmie with a fish
Arbok is notable for it’s role with team Rocket and having different markings per region Vigoroth being part of a gimmick evolution line (Slaking with truant) and formerly having ‘Slack off’ as a signature move makes too distinguishable from average
It depends on what you consider to be the average. This video was based mostly on stats, typing, abilities, and forms, not evolutions and sprites, but certainly, if you changed the criteria for what it means to be average, Vigoroth and Arbok would lose some footing to Seaking.
Something you missed that could have removed Arbok earlier: The pattern on it changes depending on region. Don’t remember if it's per game or per region caught in tho.
I mean, I was basing most of this off of stats abilities and typing, but I guess I could've? Though it is based on the Game, and it is not the only Pokemon where the design varies between games.
Sadly, they dropped this design quirk at some point. The Pokédex said that its pattern changes, and the game reflects that, but somewhere around gen 5 or 6 they just stopped. (It's also worth noting that it wasn't so much as unique different patterns depending on where Arbok was caught, but more of a "they just keep redesigning this Pokémon" probably for technical or logistical reasons. Would be cool if they kept it up)
@@nicocchi It was gen 6. Technically gen 7. Because they made the Arbok model than promptly stopped caring. Because the models have been so good for the series and everything about it, amirite.
It shows how fun Pokémon design is since you can find something unique and interesting about basically any Pokémon if you dig deep enough, shown by all of the arguments against any of these 3 being most average.
@@duckymomo7935 -Makes manaphy more interesting -Serves as a fun secret -Adds a social aspect to the obtainment of a mythical manaphy; a manaphy won't just rot in your box forever. You could trade phione to your friends who lacked manaphy.
@@duckymomo7935It is, though. It's the only "baby Pokemon" that can never evolve into it's superior form (Manaphy) in any possible way. That's extremely unique
@@duckymomo7935What Phoine is possibly one of the most unique Pokemon ever being the baby of a Mythical Pokemon and being a pokemon who can come from an egg that cant evolve or breed
Another notch against Vigeroth is that it is notable for being very different from the other members of it's evolution line.... bouncing up and down full of energy, as opposed to... So lazy they skip half of their turns unless you get rid of their ability.
It would be nice to find the most average of fully evolved pokemon, maybe including pokemon that were intended to be fully evolved at time of creation, because the inclusion of first stage pokemon will be pulling the stat average down enough that as seen here a lot of the candidates ended up second stages of three-stage lines.
Seaking has a fun niche in vertain competitive formats, being the only water type with lightningrod, it's really good for monotype doubles teams, of which a few mono-water vgc team existed back in the swsh era.
Oh yeah. Some dude entered a vgc competition with Seaking, and he themed his team around One Piece as a joke. He wasn't even planning to go far, but he surprisingly got a fair placement. Source: False Swipe Gaming's video titled "How GOOD was Seaking ACTUALLY?"
I think a lot of them ended up being from older generations, because Gamefreak didn't care about making Pokemon unique. Nowadays, every Pokemon has something unique, and fairly minmaxxed stats, at least compared to older generations. In gen 3 they just gave a pokemon stat barf, and called it good.
@@blip_exists A ton of older Pokemon have signature moves/abilities that became more distributed which is something that still happens to this day, look at how Delphoxs Mystical Fire is now Flutter Mane and Sylveons main coverage
I would love to see an expanded version of this video. 14 minutes, 40 minutes or you just go over all of the Pokémon that we’re contenders for this list and why
Despite Arbok losing, I 100% agree with it being top 3. After using it in fire red, i never was destroying enemies with it, but it still got the job done. It did what it had to do, being a completely average team member
It actually got a slight Attack Boost in Gen 6 or 7, making it hits slightly harder (though still impressive). I used one in USUM, though and I came to the same conclusion. Intimidate is always nice, though
I would argue that waterfall being a signature move isn't enough to make Seaking unique, but learning an HM move by level up is. There are only 4 pokemon that do that, one is rayquaza, one is salamence, and the other two are goldeen and Seaking. (This is based on the bulbapedia list, and honestly it miflght not be worth including because that list excludes pokemon that learn whirlpool. Which was an hm move and is learned by a lot of pokemon.)
Clicking on this video, I was thinking "hmm, the most average would be a generic water type" and seaking immediately came to mind. Turns out I was right
Haka-mo-o has a very rare typing, one that only its evolution line has, so I wouldn't say that the most average pokemon is Haka-mo-o, at least if you include typing.
@@blip_exists ah I did it solely by bst, and used a different averaging system, because the most average Pokémon has a lot of routes to go down, I chose the mon that deviates from the mean stats by the least amount, which meant it and castform were the most average
@@blip_existswhich had me disqualify seaking due to its higher than average Atk and SpD. Make no mistake I’m not discrediting your work, moreso acknowledging the many different ways to find new average Pokémon
@@leoshaw4675 Ok that does make sense that you could get hakamo-o that way, and in general their were a lot of the pseudo legends at the top of the list for most average stats.
All of these evolution lines at the end had a unique move in their inception - Waterfall for Seaking, Slack Off for Vigoroth and Glare for Arbok. Waterfall is definitely the most generic of the three as numerous moves flinch, fewer are a fixed HP heal and fewer still are a straight paralysis move. Bite, Headbutt, Hyper Fang, Heart Stamp, Fire/Ice/Thunder Fang and Stomp are all attacking moves that can flinch (and there's probably a few I missed). Recover, Heal Order and Soft-Boiled are the other moves that always heal 50% as others can have the amount boosted or weakened or have some other quirk to them like Wish. The only other status moves that paralyze are Thunder Wave and Stun Spore.
Waterfall didn't get the Flinching Chance until gen 4 I think. So early on, it was just a worse Surf. It was its signature move in Gen 1, though, which made it technically unique
This video proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that Seaking is truly the most Pokémon of all time 👏👏 Congratulations Seaking, you truly are. Imagine being so much, like Seaking is.
I definitely agree that Seaking is insanely average, perhaps even the most average; however I always liked its incredible niche of being a Water type with Lightning Rod, and likely the only pokemon who highly benefits from it, as the rest are either resistant or immune to it. (Except Alolan-Marowak.) Only one weakness (Grass) is not too shabby. My personal "most average" pokemon would probably be some sort of boring middle evolution, like Steenee or Carkol.
Part of that comes from a change to lightning rod in gen 5, it now makes you immune to electric type attacks. Without that baked in immunity you would only want lightning rod if you were already immune or resistant to electric type attacks. And the benefit was exclusively for protecting your ally in double battles. Starting in gen 5 lightning rod would now protect you from all damage and boost your spec attack stat stage by 1. This makes it finally directly benefit the pokemon with the ability, and makes it viable for non-ground types. Coincidentally this was also the generation they added hidden abilities which allowed them to give out the enhanced ability to other pokemon who could now benefit from it. (Which was apparently just the Pikachu line, Goldeen line, and Plusle.) A few more mons definitely could have used this as a hidden ability. Any water or flying type could use it if you can sufficiently justify it.(Skarmory is a great candidate, and Zapdos should have kept it past gen 5, or atleast not have had it replaced with static considering this is obviously a balance change/nerf.)
@@jasonreed7522 Oh huh, that's cool actually. I thought it just always worked as it had and Seaking'd had it since the start. i guess poor Seaking's still fodder in Fire Red/Leaf Green then.
I feel like it should of gone to Lumineon, basically just Seaking but minus the lightning rod ability. When I saw Seaking in the final 3, my initial reaction was that it couldn't be given the most average because of lightning rod and I was surprised when it did.
Now that we did that, let's see the most uncommon pokemon Rarest type Rare abilities Biggest stat variation Let's exclude legendaries that are beyond standard variation to make it fun, no 780BST or Eternamax-Eternatus
I might eventually make a video on this, but it will be a little bit more complex then this one, due to their being so many ways a pokemon can be unique. Defining the average is a lot easier, due to there being something of a converging point of average. For being unique tho, everything is all over the place, like how would you compare Smeargle to Shedinja to Shuckle. So the video is a maybe, and it would be different from this one.
That's probably quite easy: Shedinja. Nothing else has its ability, nothing else has its type, and its going to be hard to get more deviation from the stat average than 1 HP.
Though I don't think this outdoes Shedinja, Aegislash is also a pretty decent contender here that I think is worth mentioning. Unique ability, unique stats especially due to Stance Change, a Dual-Typing almost exclusive to its evolution line, and is also the Pokémon that probably had the biggest BST change over a generation.
I think it has to go to Shedinja or Deoxys. Shedinja has the most unique evolution method, spontaneously generating itself, a unique typing, one of the most unique abilities, and a unique programming quirk that overrides traditional stats. Deoxys is one pokemon, with four different sets of stats and four different level up movepools. While changing forms nowadays is bog standard, back in the day it had the strange quirk of needing to be in a specific game to get a particular form. It also gets the lore bump of being an alien virus that I guess decided to Thing into a pokemon. I think Shedinja is probably more unique, but both the hard coded HP and evolution quirks of Shedinja, and the strange game based form changes of Deoxys are utterly unique things that no other pokemon has had, or had anything similar to, that is outside the realm of normal unique variance, and isn't just trivia about stat totals or anything.
vigoroth is kind of a gimmick Pokémon too; its gimmick is just "drops the gimmick that its evo and prevo both have," which I believe makes it completely unique among all Pokémon.
Seaking being a two stage pokemon also feels fitting. Like a certain percentage of pokemon are in three part lines and a certain percentage are only basic pokemon, so a pokemon being the final part of a two step evolution feels pretty on par with what average would be evolutionarily.
I think Vigoroth's ability is actually more average because it's such a nothing burger - you can feel the effects of swift swim in a playthrough, but how often will Vital Spirit pop?
I mean, how average is it to have an ability that does something as opposed to nothing? This isn't about the most "nothing" pokemon, its the most average, but if average for you means having a nothing ability, I could see you leaning toward Vigoroth as what you consider to be the most average pokemon
Before watching the video, I'm gonna say Golduck. The only thing that's noteworthy about it is that it evolves from Psyduck (which *is* a noteworthy mon) and nothing else. At least Seaking has Lightningrod, which gives it something to do.
I liked the video! Would’ve loved to hear more of an explanation about some more of the runner ups, which could’ve maybe made the video a bit longer. Maybe you could also do one on the least average Pokémon? Overall, good work :)
Seaking has one thing notable, being one of the first Pokemon meme with "F#ck yeah, Seaking!" but if we're including memes then that's a whole different mess.
I mean, yeah, Seaking is one of the closest depictions in Pokémon of just “a fish”. If you told me it was a fish mob from another jrpg I’d believe you.
I'd also say arbok having intimidate really put it out of being the most average. Intimidate may be incredibly common, but it's still remarkably useful to have, making it noteworthy in almost any situation. Swift swim is perfectly average, being useful in some cases, but not something you'd jump at the chance to get.
Another point against Arbok is that it gets the status move Coil, which is uniquely only available to a small group of snake like and long serpentine Pokemon.
1:24 ok lemme take a looka these. mightyena and arbok are out for intimidate, i think... naganadel? the baby ultra beast? has beast boost so that's a no, Klang's a steel type, misdreavus has 3 immunities, volbeat and illumise have tail glow (signature move, basically, so less than 10 know it i think?), basculin has adaptability, and that leaves vigoroth, lumineon, chimecho, mothim, venomoth, watchog. my guess is watchog so the others will be compared to them. vigoroth has a large gap in stats, especially with weak special stats, so vigoroth's out. lumineon has a good typing but more importantly their relatively high speed stat helps outweigh their slightly more average stats (by like, 7-ish points). chimecho also has gaps in their stats with FIFTY attack. i forgot, mothim gets tinted lens, which is a great ability- actually, venomoth too. so yup, that's all. gotta be watchog! oh right their name is poipole that's such a good name i should be behind bars for forgetting wh- hold up, so "more average" is... literally having LESS average stats because of physical attackers being more common? bruh -.- 2:11 wh- BUT IT'S SUCH A GOOD ONE, IT'S BASICALLY UNDOING THE AVERAGE STATS DUE TO ARTIFICIALLY STRENGTHENING DEFENSE AGAINST MANY OPPONENTS think i forgot about seaking anyway, but their stats are also imbalanced by my standards and also lightning rod on a water type is really unique. waitwaitwait, water's being seen as MORE average? OK I guess that follows the same logic as the ability thing and physical attackers thing but like, water's an above average type defensively. so like... not the definition. meanwhile normal is among the most average. seaking? bruh nahhh 3:43 SINCE WHEN WAS THAT A FACTOR
We need to create the perfectly average pokemon, with every stat being the average of all pokemon for that stat (rounded to the nearest whole), the most common type combination, and the most common ability. Layer on a fittingly drab appearance, and there we have it.
I disagree only because Seaking has Lightning Rod, which afaik makes it unique in that it's the only Pokémon weak to Electric type moves that has an ability that completely negates that weakness.
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 For the video, I didn't consider them any differently, but if you view them as needing to be considered differently, then what you consider to be the most average Pokemon would possibly be different.
In Kanto specifically you could make an argument for Arbok because Poison types are ridiculously common there, but then that would screw with your dataset. You would need to readjust your sample to include only the original 151 as seen in either RBY or FRLG, or the original 151 plus regional variants as seen in LGPE. That being said though, Arbok and Seaking would probably still be contenders in any case.
I'm surprised golduck wasn't mentionned I think it's the definition of average it has average stats /movepool typing and abilities it is very similar to seeking
Golduck's stats aren't actually average. Its BST is 59 points away from the average, as opposed to Seaking's 9 points. Thats the main reason why. However, besides stats, it is very average.
If I were a sufficiently bored game designer, I'd have to struggle to prevent myself from adding a secret encounter in the game: An optional fight in a secret area in Victory Road where one youngster has Arbok, Seaking, Mightyena, Chimecho, Mothim and Watchog at 100, give the player a super potion at the end of the battle and refuse to elaborate.
You know, something about Seaking having a signature move isn't a super unique thing when people don't even realize it was their signature move or that it existed to begin with. A lot of people miss the fact that Waterfall was in Gen 1 as Seaking's signature move, before becoming more common by virtue of being a Gen 2 HM-is it really that notable if people only notice it when pointed out? That's sort of the logic I'm trying to go with. Then again, that's just how learning stuff works in general so I'm probably being harsh to the generic funny fish mono water mon #1
Lol, no way. Within the first minute I was thinking about it and put my bet on seaking as the most average when I thought about stats and moves and typing and what it can do
Also a very simple thing that no one has mentioned about Seaking. It's just a fish, lots of Pokémon are just a fish. Seaking is one of the most fish to ever fish.
It depends. A lot of what makes an average pokemon may vary from person to person. All three of Arbok Seaking and Vigoroth could arguably have a gimmick, depending on who you ask.
i wouldve went with vigoroth since seaking is the only water monotype with lightning rod as an ability. it's the only water type without ground type to have exactly 1 weakness to grass. it definitely stands out on a team because of it.
ngl, Seaking was my first thought. I changed my mind a few second later because I remembered it gets an immunity through Lightning Rod . But then I came back to it when I remembered that Seaking was still very mid with that because its still a Seaking.
I mean, part of the reason the meme was a thing in the first place was because of how average seaking was. And this is kinda where the subjectivity of this whole thing comes in, as so many pokemon will have something unique about them.
I would have distributed by type. I know that dual typing interferes with that, but dual types are a nature of pokémon and you could sort by primary and ignore secondary if needed. Then you would have the 18 pokémon that most appropriately represents their type
One could argue Seaking is the wrong choice because it's the only Electric immune non-Ground type Water type Pokémon thanks to Lightning Rod, also being the only Electric weak Pokémon who gets that ability
2:38 got me in the first half, not gonna lie
I think Seaking’s signature move immediately becoming a super common HM move the next generation just further signifies its “averageness”
Also that move being worse surf until gen 4 doesn't help (it doesn't have its flinch chance it has weaker power surf doesn't hit your ally in doubles in gen 3 etc.)
Fun fact: Vigoroth could not use the Dream World in Black and White, since it's only ability is Vital Spirit, which prevents it from falling asleep.
Presenting: the seaking paradox. Seaking, by being the most average Pokemon, is made unique in its averageness. As such, seaking cannot be average. However, if seaking is not average, then it loses any claim it had to the title of most average. Loss of this title, however, makes a seaking the most average once again...
In counterpoint: Most Pokemon have SOMETHING special about them, so because Seaking has a single thing special about it, it is even more normal.
@@blip_existsCounter-counterpoint: That would mean that Seaking's specialty is nullified, as it is no longer unique, so it is average once again. However, this reinstates the paradox.
Basically, the comment's paradox switches from Plane 0 and Plane 1, and you added Plane 2, which folds back into Plane 1.
This would only apply if the title of the video was "who is the most uninteresting pokemon". Because we have not made any claim about how being average is uninteresting, there's no paradox ;)
@@ClaraDeLemon not necessarily. if a Pokemon is unique, then by definition it cannot be average. By being average, seaking is made unique. Uniqueness by definition removes any possibility of averageness because something that is unique has deviated from the norm
@@ClaraDeLemonadditionally, interestingness definitely is an aspect to uniqueness
Fun fact: lightning rod seaking is the only mono type Pokémon that can’t be hit neutrally by bolt beam coverage.
I know what I'm bringing to my Uber matches now. Regieleki won't stand a chance.
*insert Magnezone line here*
@@luisfradique2031The keyword was Monotype
Without lighting rod it still can't be hit neautrally
That's interesting
Regarding Seaking having previously had a signature move-Slack Off used to be a signature move of the Slakoth line so that isn’t a point for Vigoroth either
Ooh good point. Its weird how many pokemon have signature moves, or at least moves that where at one point signature moves.
@@blip_exists Especially the older mons, mainly because there was so few mons and so few moves in the early gens that it was almost inevitable a move you see every day on so many Pokemon used to be a signature move
Waterfall. Everyone forgets about it because rarity and even if you used a Seaking, Surf is better and probably available by the time you can learn it.
@@johnruhd5917
This is most powerful in the romhack meta, where people occasionally just plumb forget Seaking learns it by level, and thus you can sneak into all the funny postgame stuff early
I predicted that it would be a Swift Swim pure Water type, so I’m glad that was correct.
My favourite part about Swift Swim Water Types, is that they exist in real life
I mean If you are using seaking you are using it for the fact it only has 1 weakness with lightning rod and resist boltbeam and surf beam. Basically you are dunking on starmie with a fish
Arbok is notable for it’s role with team Rocket and having different markings per region
Vigoroth being part of a gimmick evolution line (Slaking with truant) and formerly having ‘Slack off’ as a signature move makes too distinguishable from average
It depends on what you consider to be the average. This video was based mostly on stats, typing, abilities, and forms, not evolutions and sprites, but certainly, if you changed the criteria for what it means to be average, Vigoroth and Arbok would lose some footing to Seaking.
also add in thta vigoroth has been good in lower tiers for a while now, so like
Tbf seaking also had a signature move originally in Waterfall
Something you missed that could have removed Arbok earlier: The pattern on it changes depending on region. Don’t remember if it's per game or per region caught in tho.
I mean, I was basing most of this off of stats abilities and typing, but I guess I could've? Though it is based on the Game, and it is not the only Pokemon where the design varies between games.
Sadly, they dropped this design quirk at some point. The Pokédex said that its pattern changes, and the game reflects that, but somewhere around gen 5 or 6 they just stopped.
(It's also worth noting that it wasn't so much as unique different patterns depending on where Arbok was caught, but more of a "they just keep redesigning this Pokémon" probably for technical or logistical reasons. Would be cool if they kept it up)
@@nicocchiGen 6 is when it stopped as beyond that, the model doesn't change
@@nicocchi
It was gen 6. Technically gen 7. Because they made the Arbok model than promptly stopped caring.
Because the models have been so good for the series and everything about it, amirite.
@@nicocchiI think it was when they made the 3D model. Yet more proof that the jump to 3D was bad
I think they accidentally made waterfall seakings signature move and just forgot to give it to other Pokémon
It shows how fun Pokémon design is since you can find something unique and interesting about basically any Pokémon if you dig deep enough, shown by all of the arguments against any of these 3 being most average.
Phione is pointless and nothing about it is interesting
@@duckymomo7935
-Makes manaphy more interesting
-Serves as a fun secret
-Adds a social aspect to the obtainment of a mythical manaphy; a manaphy won't just rot in your box forever. You could trade phione to your friends who lacked manaphy.
@@duckymomo7935It is, though.
It's the only "baby Pokemon" that can never evolve into it's superior form (Manaphy) in any possible way. That's extremely unique
@@duckymomo7935What Phoine is possibly one of the most unique Pokemon ever being the baby of a Mythical Pokemon and being a pokemon who can come from an egg that cant evolve or breed
You could argue that vigoroth is a gimmick Mon because it’s the only one that can not sleep and enter the Pokémon dream world
Seaking is special because he's been a meme since Gen 4. Fck yeah, Seaking!
Another notch against Vigeroth is that it is notable for being very different from the other members of it's evolution line.... bouncing up and down full of energy, as opposed to... So lazy they skip half of their turns unless you get rid of their ability.
I swear at the start of the video I thought "it's probably some mid water type" and I thought about Goldeen and then BOOM it's Seaking xD
It would be nice to find the most average of fully evolved pokemon, maybe including pokemon that were intended to be fully evolved at time of creation, because the inclusion of first stage pokemon will be pulling the stat average down enough that as seen here a lot of the candidates ended up second stages of three-stage lines.
This is what I was thinking.
It might also be worth cutting Legendary and Mythical Pokemon, since those are also outliers in terms of their base stats.
Seaking has a fun niche in vertain competitive formats, being the only water type with lightningrod, it's really good for monotype doubles teams, of which a few mono-water vgc team existed back in the swsh era.
this^
Not really a niche with the other electric immune waters around since much longer
@@sablesalt but the ability to draw electric attacks away from your ally is extremely valuable in doubles
@@Greatbabyred not really, you can indeed just solve it with murder like much of lifes problems
Oh yeah. Some dude entered a vgc competition with Seaking, and he themed his team around One Piece as a joke. He wasn't even planning to go far, but he surprisingly got a fair placement.
Source: False Swipe Gaming's video titled "How GOOD was Seaking ACTUALLY?"
The fact that most of the Most Average Pokemon are in Gen 3 feels rather unique, dont ya think lol?
I think a lot of them ended up being from older generations, because Gamefreak didn't care about making Pokemon unique. Nowadays, every Pokemon has something unique, and fairly minmaxxed stats, at least compared to older generations. In gen 3 they just gave a pokemon stat barf, and called it good.
@@blip_exists A ton of older Pokemon have signature moves/abilities that became more distributed which is something that still happens to this day, look at how Delphoxs Mystical Fire is now Flutter Mane and Sylveons main coverage
I would love to see an expanded version of this video. 14 minutes, 40 minutes or you just go over all of the Pokémon that we’re contenders for this list and why
Despite Arbok losing, I 100% agree with it being top 3. After using it in fire red, i never was destroying enemies with it, but it still got the job done. It did what it had to do, being a completely average team member
It actually got a slight Attack Boost in Gen 6 or 7, making it hits slightly harder (though still impressive).
I used one in USUM, though and I came to the same conclusion. Intimidate is always nice, though
I would argue that waterfall being a signature move isn't enough to make Seaking unique, but learning an HM move by level up is.
There are only 4 pokemon that do that, one is rayquaza, one is salamence, and the other two are goldeen and Seaking.
(This is based on the bulbapedia list, and honestly it miflght not be worth including because that list excludes pokemon that learn whirlpool. Which was an hm move and is learned by a lot of pokemon.)
Clicking on this video, I was thinking "hmm, the most average would be a generic water type" and seaking immediately came to mind. Turns out I was right
Seaking finally living up to the "f*** yeah Seaking" meme from decades ago
Its funny before the video even started i thought it was probably gonna be seaking Despite Waterfall
I did an experiment similar to this and concluded it was haka-mo-o
Haka-mo-o has a very rare typing, one that only its evolution line has, so I wouldn't say that the most average pokemon is Haka-mo-o, at least if you include typing.
@@blip_exists ah I did it solely by bst, and used a different averaging system, because the most average Pokémon has a lot of routes to go down, I chose the mon that deviates from the mean stats by the least amount, which meant it and castform were the most average
@@blip_existswhich had me disqualify seaking due to its higher than average Atk and SpD. Make no mistake I’m not discrediting your work, moreso acknowledging the many different ways to find new average Pokémon
@@leoshaw4675 Ok that does make sense that you could get hakamo-o that way, and in general their were a lot of the pseudo legends at the top of the list for most average stats.
Fuck Yeah Seaking
On the exactly moment I opened the vídeo I said to myself "it's certainly Seaking"
sweet and short video, love it man
All of these evolution lines at the end had a unique move in their inception - Waterfall for Seaking, Slack Off for Vigoroth and Glare for Arbok. Waterfall is definitely the most generic of the three as numerous moves flinch, fewer are a fixed HP heal and fewer still are a straight paralysis move. Bite, Headbutt, Hyper Fang, Heart Stamp, Fire/Ice/Thunder Fang and Stomp are all attacking moves that can flinch (and there's probably a few I missed). Recover, Heal Order and Soft-Boiled are the other moves that always heal 50% as others can have the amount boosted or weakened or have some other quirk to them like Wish. The only other status moves that paralyze are Thunder Wave and Stun Spore.
Waterfall didn't get the Flinching Chance until gen 4 I think. So early on, it was just a worse Surf.
It was its signature move in Gen 1, though, which made it technically unique
This video proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that Seaking is truly the most Pokémon of all time 👏👏
Congratulations Seaking, you truly are. Imagine being so much, like Seaking is.
I definitely agree that Seaking is insanely average, perhaps even the most average; however I always liked its incredible niche of being a Water type with Lightning Rod, and likely the only pokemon who highly benefits from it, as the rest are either resistant or immune to it. (Except Alolan-Marowak.)
Only one weakness (Grass) is not too shabby.
My personal "most average" pokemon would probably be some sort of boring middle evolution, like Steenee or Carkol.
Part of that comes from a change to lightning rod in gen 5, it now makes you immune to electric type attacks.
Without that baked in immunity you would only want lightning rod if you were already immune or resistant to electric type attacks. And the benefit was exclusively for protecting your ally in double battles.
Starting in gen 5 lightning rod would now protect you from all damage and boost your spec attack stat stage by 1. This makes it finally directly benefit the pokemon with the ability, and makes it viable for non-ground types. Coincidentally this was also the generation they added hidden abilities which allowed them to give out the enhanced ability to other pokemon who could now benefit from it. (Which was apparently just the Pikachu line, Goldeen line, and Plusle.)
A few more mons definitely could have used this as a hidden ability. Any water or flying type could use it if you can sufficiently justify it.(Skarmory is a great candidate, and Zapdos should have kept it past gen 5, or atleast not have had it replaced with static considering this is obviously a balance change/nerf.)
@@jasonreed7522 Oh huh, that's cool actually. I thought it just always worked as it had and Seaking'd had it since the start. i guess poor Seaking's still fodder in Fire Red/Leaf Green then.
I feel like it should of gone to Lumineon, basically just Seaking but minus the lightning rod ability. When I saw Seaking in the final 3, my initial reaction was that it couldn't be given the most average because of lightning rod and I was surprised when it did.
@@ZwoolkTheNarwhaleidk lumineon is the best rental in battle revolution I wouldn’t call it most average
Now that we did that, let's see the most uncommon pokemon
Rarest type
Rare abilities
Biggest stat variation
Let's exclude legendaries that are beyond standard variation to make it fun, no 780BST or Eternamax-Eternatus
I might eventually make a video on this, but it will be a little bit more complex then this one, due to their being so many ways a pokemon can be unique. Defining the average is a lot easier, due to there being something of a converging point of average. For being unique tho, everything is all over the place, like how would you compare Smeargle to Shedinja to Shuckle. So the video is a maybe, and it would be different from this one.
That's probably quite easy: Shedinja. Nothing else has its ability, nothing else has its type, and its going to be hard to get more deviation from the stat average than 1 HP.
Though I don't think this outdoes Shedinja, Aegislash is also a pretty decent contender here that I think is worth mentioning. Unique ability, unique stats especially due to Stance Change, a Dual-Typing almost exclusive to its evolution line, and is also the Pokémon that probably had the biggest BST change over a generation.
I think it has to go to Shedinja or Deoxys.
Shedinja has the most unique evolution method, spontaneously generating itself, a unique typing, one of the most unique abilities, and a unique programming quirk that overrides traditional stats.
Deoxys is one pokemon, with four different sets of stats and four different level up movepools.
While changing forms nowadays is bog standard, back in the day it had the strange quirk of needing to be in a specific game to get a particular form. It also gets the lore bump of being an alien virus that I guess decided to Thing into a pokemon.
I think Shedinja is probably more unique, but both the hard coded HP and evolution quirks of Shedinja, and the strange game based form changes of Deoxys are utterly unique things that no other pokemon has had, or had anything similar to, that is outside the realm of normal unique variance, and isn't just trivia about stat totals or anything.
Shuckel is just the specialist boi
Seaking being the most average does make a lot of sense, good video!
Seaking is my favorite Pokémon LETS GOOO
vigoroth is kind of a gimmick Pokémon too; its gimmick is just "drops the gimmick that its evo and prevo both have," which I believe makes it completely unique among all Pokémon.
This reminded me of that really old, forced meme of, "SEAKING, YEAH!"
“FUCK YEAH, SEAKING” was the meme, and I still have loads of it saved on my PC from like 2006
Seaking being a two stage pokemon also feels fitting. Like a certain percentage of pokemon are in three part lines and a certain percentage are only basic pokemon, so a pokemon being the final part of a two step evolution feels pretty on par with what average would be evolutionarily.
I think Vigoroth's ability is actually more average because it's such a nothing burger - you can feel the effects of swift swim in a playthrough, but how often will Vital Spirit pop?
I mean, how average is it to have an ability that does something as opposed to nothing? This isn't about the most "nothing" pokemon, its the most average, but if average for you means having a nothing ability, I could see you leaning toward Vigoroth as what you consider to be the most average pokemon
Ok but Seaking's signature move is, to my knowledge, the only one that eventually became an HM in a later generation.
Seaking honestly just looks average.
Saw the thumbnail and thought, “hmm maybe Arbok or something”. I was genuinely surprised at that guess
What makes seaking even more average is that its just the 100th fish pokemon but nothing to make it stand out like the others.
Before watching the video, I'm gonna say Golduck. The only thing that's noteworthy about it is that it evolves from Psyduck (which *is* a noteworthy mon) and nothing else. At least Seaking has Lightningrod, which gives it something to do.
“Which Pokémon is the most forgettable? [shows a Maractus]”
I’m calling the police.
Seaking was my Nr One Pick for a Pokemon in need of a Mega evolution.
Before I started watching, I bet the winner was gonna be a fish-mon I forgot existed and I was right.
I liked the video! Would’ve loved to hear more of an explanation about some more of the runner ups, which could’ve maybe made the video a bit longer. Maybe you could also do one on the least average Pokémon? Overall, good work :)
Seaking has one thing notable, being one of the first Pokemon meme with "F#ck yeah, Seaking!" but if we're including memes then that's a whole different mess.
Think you nailed it - Seaking is an average-ass Pokemon
I mean, yeah, Seaking is one of the closest depictions in Pokémon of just “a fish”. If you told me it was a fish mob from another jrpg I’d believe you.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I'd also say arbok having intimidate really put it out of being the most average. Intimidate may be incredibly common, but it's still remarkably useful to have, making it noteworthy in almost any situation. Swift swim is perfectly average, being useful in some cases, but not something you'd jump at the chance to get.
Useful doesn't mean it can't be average, at least in my opinion.
I love this video. I totally agree with this result too, Seaking would be way up there on my list of "average" pokemon and might even be my #1 too.
Another point against Arbok is that it gets the status move Coil, which is uniquely only available to a small group of snake like and long serpentine Pokemon.
It’s also pretty uniquely suited to using it with stab gunk shot
22 minutes and only 64 views? Nah, we should bring that number up
Ah, but Seaking has a whole meme devoted to it! That's an exceptional trait, ergo Vigroth should have one.
I love that the most average pokemon is just some plain looking fish. Like yeah, that’s pretty unremarkable.
FYEAH SEAKING!!!!
FUCK YEAH SEAKING
Straight to the point
1:24 ok lemme take a looka these. mightyena and arbok are out for intimidate, i think... naganadel? the baby ultra beast? has beast boost so that's a no, Klang's a steel type, misdreavus has 3 immunities, volbeat and illumise have tail glow (signature move, basically, so less than 10 know it i think?), basculin has adaptability, and that leaves vigoroth, lumineon, chimecho, mothim, venomoth, watchog. my guess is watchog so the others will be compared to them. vigoroth has a large gap in stats, especially with weak special stats, so vigoroth's out. lumineon has a good typing but more importantly their relatively high speed stat helps outweigh their slightly more average stats (by like, 7-ish points). chimecho also has gaps in their stats with FIFTY attack. i forgot, mothim gets tinted lens, which is a great ability- actually, venomoth too. so yup, that's all. gotta be watchog!
oh right their name is poipole that's such a good name i should be behind bars for forgetting
wh- hold up, so "more average" is... literally having LESS average stats because of physical attackers being more common? bruh -.-
2:11 wh- BUT IT'S SUCH A GOOD ONE, IT'S BASICALLY UNDOING THE AVERAGE STATS DUE TO ARTIFICIALLY STRENGTHENING DEFENSE AGAINST MANY OPPONENTS
think i forgot about seaking anyway, but their stats are also imbalanced by my standards and also lightning rod on a water type is really unique.
waitwaitwait, water's being seen as MORE average? OK I guess that follows the same logic as the ability thing and physical attackers thing but like, water's an above average type defensively. so like... not the definition. meanwhile normal is among the most average.
seaking? bruh nahhh
3:43 SINCE WHEN WAS THAT A FACTOR
We need to create the perfectly average pokemon, with every stat being the average of all pokemon for that stat (rounded to the nearest whole), the most common type combination, and the most common ability. Layer on a fittingly drab appearance, and there we have it.
That’s so weird, I picked Vigoroth in my head for a couple seconds then discounted it, so for it to be a finalist is crazy
fuck yeah seaking
I disagree only because Seaking has Lightning Rod, which afaik makes it unique in that it's the only Pokémon weak to Electric type moves that has an ability that completely negates that weakness.
Seaking also had the least signature move ever. like waterfall was only signature in gen 1, then every single water type could learn the HM in gen 2.
1:20 wait, but exactly 27 pokemon share the same ability as Thwackey, same with Brionne
Grassy Surge and Liquid Voice are the abilities I was talking about, not torrent and overgrow.
@@blip_exists should hidden abilities really have the same weight as normal abilities for most average?
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 For the video, I didn't consider them any differently, but if you view them as needing to be considered differently, then what you consider to be the most average Pokemon would possibly be different.
at the start I thought of goldeen. Good to see its evolution making it up
Another point against vigoroth is that it's ability changes TWICE within its evolution line. Already a notable trait!
Fuck yeah seaking
In Kanto specifically you could make an argument for Arbok because Poison types are ridiculously common there, but then that would screw with your dataset. You would need to readjust your sample to include only the original 151 as seen in either RBY or FRLG, or the original 151 plus regional variants as seen in LGPE.
That being said though, Arbok and Seaking would probably still be contenders in any case.
I'm surprised golduck wasn't mentionned I think it's the definition of average it has average stats /movepool typing and abilities it is very similar to seeking
Golduck's stats aren't actually average. Its BST is 59 points away from the average, as opposed to Seaking's 9 points. Thats the main reason why. However, besides stats, it is very average.
Also, Cloud Nine is a pretty unique ability.
Excellent methodology. I fully agree.
If I were a sufficiently bored game designer, I'd have to struggle to prevent myself from adding a secret encounter in the game:
An optional fight in a secret area in Victory Road where one youngster has Arbok, Seaking, Mightyena, Chimecho, Mothim and Watchog at 100, give the player a super potion at the end of the battle and refuse to elaborate.
would be interesting to see how the results vary if nfe pokemon are unconsidered
I mean, that would just remove Vigoroth from the top three, and my personal choice to replace it would be Venomoth.
Funny how poison was the most common type back in gen 1.
Guess they are overcompensating nowadays.
You know, something about Seaking having a signature move isn't a super unique thing when people don't even realize it was their signature move or that it existed to begin with. A lot of people miss the fact that Waterfall was in Gen 1 as Seaking's signature move, before becoming more common by virtue of being a Gen 2 HM-is it really that notable if people only notice it when pointed out? That's sort of the logic I'm trying to go with.
Then again, that's just how learning stuff works in general so I'm probably being harsh to the generic funny fish mono water mon #1
i like these quick vids, theyre just as analytical as your bigger works. hope youre liking the content creation!
Lightning rod would knock seaking out of running. Had on a water only Nuzlocke. Fantastic Pokémon.
Average doesn't mean it can't be fantastic! Its better then 50% of pokemon after all!
Seaking is actually a really good choice for most average pokemon even if you don't use stats and math
Lol, no way. Within the first minute I was thinking about it and put my bet on seaking as the most average when I thought about stats and moves and typing and what it can do
Well seaking has the super rare quality of resisting both eletric and ice
Also a very simple thing that no one has mentioned about Seaking.
It's just a fish, lots of Pokémon are just a fish. Seaking is one of the most fish to ever fish.
I feel like Vigoroth does have a gimmick though? Like, its the not lazy sloth. To me it really stands out because its like the reverse of Kakuna? IDK.
It depends. A lot of what makes an average pokemon may vary from person to person. All three of Arbok Seaking and Vigoroth could arguably have a gimmick, depending on who you ask.
I'm suprised flamigo wasn't mentioned
Flamigo has stats that are a bit to high, and I somewhat rare typing. While its design is average, both its awesomeness, and in-game design are not
As a statistics nerd and a pokemon fan i approve of this vid
Yeah I thought about lumineon for the same reasons of seaking, but I didn't think about physical being the most common attacking side
seaking is actually cool though, its the only water type with lightning rod.
i wouldve went with vigoroth since seaking is the only water monotype with lightning rod as an ability. it's the only water type without ground type to have exactly 1 weakness to grass. it definitely stands out on a team because of it.
You definitely should have taken more into account Vigiroths evolution. That’s a huge factor since it’s not even fully grown yet
ngl, Seaking was my first thought. I changed my mind a few second later because I remembered it gets an immunity through Lightning Rod . But then I came back to it when I remembered that Seaking was still very mid with that because its still a Seaking.
Seaking has always been one of my favourites.
It does help that the largest type proportion in most games is water, making it the embodiment of average pokemon.
I do think waterfall does change this, if only because it's a hm learned by level up
i think giving it to seaking is unfair, as seaking had memes around it back in the day and arbok was in the anime as a main mon for years
I mean, part of the reason the meme was a thing in the first place was because of how average seaking was. And this is kinda where the subjectivity of this whole thing comes in, as so many pokemon will have something unique about them.
I know moves go against your criteria but seaking is the only Pokémon to have it’s signature move turned into an hm
I would have distributed by type. I know that dual typing interferes with that, but dual types are a nature of pokémon and you could sort by primary and ignore secondary if needed.
Then you would have the 18 pokémon that most appropriately represents their type
In conclusion, Seaking is the most mid pokemon of all time
One could argue Seaking is the wrong choice because it's the only Electric immune non-Ground type Water type Pokémon thanks to Lightning Rod, also being the only Electric weak Pokémon who gets that ability