Loggers do some cuts that us residential arborists in rural areas who fell alot of trees don't use, for a number of reasons. I used to occasionally employ an old logger friend in OR for big jobs. I'd be rigging ropes to make sure a hung storm damage tree went exactly where I wanted it to. He'd walk over and say somethink like, why don't you just do a shizzy scadoo? One time I stood back and let him. He did a bore cut that freaked me out but the tree jumped back four feet and saved me an hour of screwing around. I generally refer to stuff like that as a pool shot and because of the law of averages i stay away when assets are targets. But its still an impressive skill set. Hats off to the boys in the woods.
@Good.Fellers an arborist is someone who works on trees. A certified arborist is someone who has passed a relatively comprehensive test, demonstrating knowledge of plant identification, physiology, biology, soil structure, cabling, rigging, etc. A board certified master arborist is a much more comprehensive test. It's largely a means of helping customers know that they are hiring a knowledgeable tree guy. There are plenty of good technicians who aren't certified and there are plenty of certified folks who don't actually know anything about hands-on tree work. There you have it
Very interesting. My ex's grandpa was an old logger and we'd cut up fallen trees for fire wood. He had the farm select cut timber and talked about how the logger now a days were bad and wasted to much wood. He said they get to much tear out and leave nasty stumps. He showed me a lot of stuff but never showes me anything like this because he said it was to dangerous. I did a lot around the farm with that old man & I really miss him. He was an encyclopedia full of knowledge that I'm proud to have learned from him!! RIP PAP!!
I was a heli rappeller in Idaho for the forest service and had to drop in to clear cut landing zones and forestry projects as well as fight fires on untouchable terrain. Most people talk about loggers or arborist. Both are very different than what I’m used to and we have no roads or machinery to help us.
@@Good.Fellers I've had trees that appeared to be healthy spiral as they fell and change direction. That's scary. I respect your skill. I don't have it. I usually pull trees with my tractor to safely guide them. I just paid $700 to have trees over/ near my house cut down.
@@hdtvcamera1I too, have become much more cautious as I have aged. I also use the tractor whenever I'm the least bit uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with wanting to wake up tomorrow...
Indeed, admiring a good spot to mount an outdoor anvil. That cut saving around 10 minutes of work or so. And a few toes, a finger and nostril... ;) OK, I'm not really *that* bad with a chainsaw, just seriously out of practice.
@@smeagolmazurenko5238 Guess your small mind got no concept, the world is a big place and your mother legs can not even spread that far.. Sit down before your small mind hurts itself..
its not keyboard warrior as much as people that has actually worked in the business that dont want a noob trying to cut a tree down in his yard do this and get killed.
I was a climber for a master arborist, as well as a builder of bridges and back country structures using chainsaw carpentry milling with an Alaska mill. Not a "keyboard logger". My question is why is this an advantage over a facecut/back cut with a hinge. So it rolls out of another tree's canopy so it doesn't hang up?
No fiber pull, rolls off other trees. Fast, different, cool, dangerous, and a good way to show off. In all reality it’s only something you would do in the right circumstances.
A narrow angle hinge cut would also enable roll of from other trees. If the tree is very valuable , there is "trunk belts " you can strap on before felling to prevent cracking / loss of bottom log length.
There isn't an advantage it's just a sloppy technique, old school but this sort of thing has killed or permanently crippled many. Much better to letterbox the hinge wood from the front (widely used in Europe on hardwood log) you don't pull any fibers when done correctly but still have control. Wouldn't be surprised if it's been put up as a classic showy "look at me I'm a dangerous manly man" also farming rage clicks from professionals who actually know the proper way to do it.
@@mrln247 He literally says in his first reply......" Fast, different, cool, dangerous, and a good way to show off. In all reality it’s only something you would do in the right circumstances." 🤷♂️😂🤣
I can certainly see the rationale behind this one. The tree is obviously leaning away from the little offshoot. Plunging in to leave holding wood on the tension side and getting some of it hollowed out. Then releaving the compression side before finishing to get the rest of it cut. Then its just a matter of cutting the trigger and getting the hell out of dodge. I probably will never need to use this, like the tongue and grove notch, but its a good one to add to the toolbox.
I am so confused…1). Why do it 2). When you first started did you bore all the way through?…cameraman left us dangling. 3). Am I correct in assuming you did bore all the way through and then walked your tip around4). WTF happened and when did you cut the whole damn tree? I thought you told her you were just using the tip?
The big advantage of this cut is it saves more of the tree for lumber. Doing a traditional face cut damages the best part of the tree and it adds up over time. Don’t even think about trying this unless you are in the business with substantial experience. This will get a green person killed.
Perfect demonstration. Definitely don’t want to use this method if you don’t have experience you will most likely pinch you saw definitely bring 2 saw if your going to try it out
I’ve done this so many times but on an exponentially smaller, suburban playing field. Armed with only a plug-in B&D gator! Working alone, these types of cuts have saved me so much time!
Random question. What is your favorite felling saw? I have a 550xp with a 3/8 chain on it and a 20'' bar for felling and a 572xp with a 24'' bar for bucking. Love the power of the 572 but it gets heavy after a while
Right now I’m pumped on the ported 500i but overall I run a 592 more than anything else. I had a 572 and gave it away because it couldn’t handle what I do.
@@Good.Fellers yeah you guys have very large timber. Average size is 8-10 inches at the stump in my area. Mostly softwood. Great content on your part! 👍
95% or more of the people who are watching this video should not only never try a cut like this, they shouldn't even own a chainsaw. I said what I said.
@@Good.Fellershave to agree. I’ve cut timber over thirty years and never even heard of it. But I never stood with the bottom of the saw facing me. If the chain breaks or jumps it can severely cut you like that . I always stand behind the saw and keep a hand behind the inertia brake. It’s designed to work when held properly. But I’m still willing to learn more , but I only use what I know is safe .
I feel like everything I do is safe. I work slow and methodically. I feel like there’s a lot of bs out there about safety and gear. A little common sense will get you a lot further then any thing else.
Wow! I’m impressed you cut the tree close to the ground! I have gotten paid very well to cut trees the pros cut 3’ above the ground. At 62 I may fall the tree from 3’ but I always make the stump grinders job easy (sometimes that’s me too but I rent the machine).
Hey, great result from that cut method, thanks! Haven’t seen it before! I wouldn’t recommend standing that close and directly behind the stump though. A flying chip is gun a hurt real bad from there. 🫠
Nice clean cut, but it lacks the directional support you get from hinge cut. Ie if not in perfect conditions, tree can fall where ever. If there is any trees hindering the fall those will effect where fell ends up, including coming back towards you and you dont want almost a metric ton of tree giving you a bump.
You can see in the comments all the people who think they are loggers who haven’t cut more than 5 loads of logs in their life. This cut is used in production logging in valuable hardwood. It is not used in a residential situation
Ridiculously easier job than an urban climbing removal guy's job. They might fall back to the job of a feller at around 60 or 70 years old instead of retiring.
@@treemands I have done a lot of experience doing both and it is hard to compare them it is two completely different worlds. But with modern gear climbing is way easier than ever before with modern saddles that don’t kill you and srt so by the time you get up the tree you don’t feel like you just ran a marathon
This is a ridiculous comment. Neither job is that hard if you’re in good shape and good at what you do. It’s real hard if you smoke, drink, and eat garbage. Or if you’re under qualified.
Safe to say, we really appreciate the professional advice. 10/10. Personally, I often question which is the heavy side. Odd, considering I was a carpenter and have a usually great comprehension of physics. I haven’t been wrong yet, but I question myself too much for the confidence required for those l beautiful cuts. Good thing I’m making firewood and most trees are already tipped over. If Husky and tsumura aren’t sponsoring you, they’re missing out.
@@Good.Fellersfeel free to ignore me from here on, I never receive notifications of replies. I specifically came back to say- People would be interested in other products you like(boots, files, oil, etc.). You obviously have been doing this for sometime and people appreciate honest recommendations from those with professional experience.
@@Good.Fellerseye protection and hat especially. Maybe reach out to the manufacturer’s about affiliate links and such first(considering you’re interested, of course).
Can't tell from the video, but that looked like Hickory on the inside, but the ark didn't appear to be. I give?? I can't tell you how much I miss the woods and how I always admired a really good cutter. You qualify my friend 😂😂 Can you say how long you've been cutting??
I been cutting about 14 years. I buy all my own timber. I never custom cut. I sell my own logs to sawmills, exporters, veneer plants etc. I love logging but the fact that you can’t hire any help is starting to get to me. I’m not gonna lie. It was a poorly colored Bur/White Oak.
@@Good.Fellers Just curious, but do you bid on consulting forester jobs or contact land owners directly?? Consultants will bid the hell out of timber, no loyalties there. There was only 1, what I called a good one, and I could only buy 1 or so a year. At the end there were just getting to be too many unreptutable buyers and they were finding ways of just destroying a woods. Selective cutting became a 4 letter word it seemed like. Wish you well. Stay safe.
I would never under any circumstances buy from a second party seller. I have seen more woods destroyed by leaches in this industry. I can pay top prices as I deal with no middle men on the sale of logs and owe nothing to any mill, plant etc. In saying that I will deal with no middle men when I purchase timber. I recommend any land owner that considers selling their timber to do their research and when they’re ready to collect a check for said timber to call me. I could go on for days about the atrocities I have seen with “consulting foresters”. You’re better off hiring an attorney than a forester. I can say it will save/make you money in the long term. I will go on to say that a person collecting a percentage of sale price without adding value has questionable ethics to say the least. Just to be clear adding value means manufacturing of a product such as Logs, lumber, veneer, paneling, pallets, the list goes on.
@@Good.Fellers I wish I had met you when I was still buying veneer. I think we could have done some good business. Do you bid your logs or do you have a buyer you sell to most of the time? Any time I was requested to leave a bid, I told them my price was good as long as they could see my taillights as I drove away. 🤣🤣
@ronallen6578 lol, depends on the type of tree and market. To be honest I can tell a buyer what I have and they can tell me if they’re in the realm of reality. I do what makes sense on a job to job basis. In today’s world the younger generation of buyers are very unprofessional and hard to deal with. I have good luck with guys that know logs and know how-to grade veneer and lumber. I do poorly with buyers who don’t actually know the logs. I would say most logs are offered over the phone to different buyers but I try hard to waste no man’s time including my own. I get about a Chinese contact a month trying to buy direct. I have some very good relationships with American companies that are not exporters. I deal a little with exporters but they’re not as competitive as they were a couple years ago. Honestly mills keep going out of business and it’s kind of a situation where I try to keep good relationships but money is key.
Ohhhhh... That looks dangerous! Don't ever do that! But man, look at that nice extra long log... Hmmmm Thanks for the well narrated and demonstrated warning video of something never to do!
I have felled exactly zero trees but would you say that last little cut was holding the tree up in tension a bit? I guess you did say the front was already sitting down so perhaps it isn't much.
Can someone explain why this is dangerous? Is it because itll fall on you if you go too deep too early? I have never cut a tree, nor do i plan on it. Just curious.
@@Good.Fellers yeah, I’m also not afraid of danger but now I still don’t know in what situation this is the best option. I have nearly a year of experience so I’m still learning a lot, I genuinely would like to know when this is useful… in what scenario would you use this and what are the advantages compared to craving a notch?
Faster, no fiber pull, it allows tree to roll off other timber as opposed to breaking the butt or limbs. Efficient, these are several reasons you might use it. If you really want to know watch my TH-cam videos it’s all there my man.
I have cut MANY THOUSANDS OF VERY HIGH GRADE trees that way for over 60 years when harvesting big veneer trees. If I notch a tree I normally use the humbolt under cut. Always clean out a GOOD escspe route before ever putting the ssw to a tree. Never take your eyes off of a tree until it is down and has stopped moving.
I tend to worry about what's going on above me while the cut tree is doing what it's going to do. The branches that get sprung and flung are even more dangerous.
It would be nice to show the position of the tip of the bar at the end of the first cut. I to watch this about 10+ times to understand what some extra camera angles would have given.
That was a textbook fall. It's not as easy as it looks. Use ropes and a traditional pie cut unless you're 100% confident. The guy who showed me that cut had a plan once the tree started rolling... He threw his saw into a nearby brush pile and got the heck out of there. There's two solid reasons to call it a jump cut. First, the tree is likely to jump off the stump as there is no holding wood hinge. Second, the sawer jumps out of the way once the cut is made.😅❤🎉
I have a dozen chainsaws and I use two or three. Every once in a while if a tree sets down on my bar, I grab another saw to cut it out. This happens less frequently with experience but sometimes when trees are tangled up it happens more often due to misreading the forces involved. Some saws I have not started in over 7 years, they should be fine and ready to go in case of an apocalypse, I suppose.
@@Good.Fellers my colleague once did this. He got fired on the spot, and taken his licences away the day after. The job is already dangerous enough, why make it even more dangerous. You’re sending a tree of its stump without any way possible to control it. That’s simply just incredibly stupid and dangerous.
@@Good.Fellers Im would love to have a conversation with you, to see if you’re actually seriously or taking the piss. Because either there must be something to it, or the person doing this is.. different
Disclaimer: ****DANGER DON'T DO THIS***** Narrator: "How to jump cut. Okay guys, first thing you're gonna do is...." I know, ...I get it, I get...idiots will try it and get their tip stuck in too far...
Is a former tree service owner this is the most dangerous cut I have ever seen, the reason this is called a jump cut is because the tree has a tendency to jump back at you. This cut should only be used when the tree has a natural lean in the direction that you wanted to fall, without the notch cut there's nothing stopped in the tree from coming back and killing you. Not saying it cannot be done but this is not rookies. 🤔🧐
A smooth cut but not what we hillbillys call a jump cut. We make a very narrow face cut, bore into the face to remove chance of pulls in the heart, leaving holding wood on the sides only. Usually bore into the side just behind the hinge wood then cut towards the back. Sometimes you have to cut from the opposite side if the tree is big. The tree starts to fall, the face closes and the tree pops the little holding wood that is left, the tree actually jumps off the stump, with the butt 4 to 6 feet away from the stump. Used to maximize the good lumber that can be sawn from high value timber.
Was a feller for 12 yrs on tree length pine and hardwood tie logs. Thanks man ! I didn't have to watch some igit cut half an extra large pepperoni with mushrooms out of a good tree then leave a 4' stump. Skidder hands on a rocky slope don't seem to appreciate those.
That's a Husqvarna XP high performance fuel injected saw correct. I have one and it's always been a b**** to start from day one. I have some other husqvarna's that weren't as expensive as that that always start. I have figured out you pull on the the pull start about 8 to 10:10 just partial up about 8:10 and it seems to Prime the saw as soon as it pops take off the choke. I've even had to have my wife who's been working with me outside which is a good thing she's awesome about it hold the actual handle of the trigger so once it pops you can keep it running unlocked blade just wondering best regards good luck thank you for your videos God bless and be careful😊
@@shoobaloobabobdingalingadong We made the mistake of buying one of the electroniic self tuning Huskies. A PIECE OF CRAP. Hard to start. NO MORE HUSKIES FOR ME!! We will stay with Stihl!!!
It’s used by hardwood fallers to get trees down fast without pulling any fibers. It allows the tree to roll off other trees reducing damage to residual timber. It’s also considered dangerous by some and isn’t advisable to use.
I was not trained to do that in the Park Service.North Cascade National Park. You made a widow maker, snags are overhanging branches that could come down on you. Notch the back.
I live in Nebraska we don't have a lot of forest but we do have loggers and this is how they drop those Walnut and other kind of trees because they don't want to take any loss they'll dig down around the root and actually cut off slightly below the ground.
I do this all the time in the River bottoms in Missouri with trees without much lean to them works really good and fast but if you don’t have experience at DO NOT DO IT practice on smaller trees first before the big Timber
Good technique on higher value logs that you gotta avoid fiber pull from the hinge wood. That walnut had a ton of sapwood, not really what your looking for in walnut.
Loggers do some cuts that us residential arborists in rural areas who fell alot of trees don't use, for a number of reasons. I used to occasionally employ an old logger friend in OR for big jobs. I'd be rigging ropes to make sure a hung storm damage tree went exactly where I wanted it to. He'd walk over and say somethink like, why don't you just do a shizzy scadoo? One time I stood back and let him. He did a bore cut that freaked me out but the tree jumped back four feet and saved me an hour of screwing around. I generally refer to stuff like that as a pool shot and because of the law of averages i stay away when assets are targets. But its still an impressive skill set. Hats off to the boys in the woods.
Hey thank you. I’m not sure the definition of Arborist but I know I’m not one.
Totally different game.
@Good.Fellers an arborist is someone who works on trees. A certified arborist is someone who has passed a relatively comprehensive test, demonstrating knowledge of plant identification, physiology, biology, soil structure, cabling, rigging, etc. A board certified master arborist is a much more comprehensive test. It's largely a means of helping customers know that they are hiring a knowledgeable tree guy. There are plenty of good technicians who aren't certified and there are plenty of certified folks who don't actually know anything about hands-on tree work. There you have it
@@Good.Fellers I think I remember. He called it a razzmatazz. Is that familiar to you?
@owemylife never heard of it. Lol
@owemylife Sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
Don't try this until you have fallen 1000 trees using normal methods.
Don’t do it at all.
@@Good.Fellers Yeah, eff that. 😂
Lol
They are going to get the back yard loggers killed.
@@Good.Fellersaparently it works
Very interesting. My ex's grandpa was an old logger and we'd cut up fallen trees for fire wood. He had the farm select cut timber and talked about how the logger now a days were bad and wasted to much wood. He said they get to much tear out and leave nasty stumps. He showed me a lot of stuff but never showes me anything like this because he said it was to dangerous.
I did a lot around the farm with that old man & I really miss him. He was an encyclopedia full of knowledge that I'm proud to have learned from him!! RIP PAP!!
There’s still a few good loggers around. But as a whole I agree.
Knowing which way the tree is leaning is a skill in itself.
@IamMrDisaster truth
@IamMrDisaster they can sometimes be deceiving
Yep
you're the only cutter I've seen explain his methods as he does it, I appreciate that.
Glad ya like it.
@@Good.Fellers what is the use of this cut? Like in a real life situation
@Dede-dw4oj cutting veneer trees
They say it’s dangerous but it’s fast efficient and helps save the butt log and surrounding timber
Cutter? 😂 we are Arborists. Or Axemen. Or shoot. I'd accepts "tree guy" 😅
@@dakota9618 how about "pedantic child" ? Thats all you've demonstrated to be.
The real reason they call that a "jump cut" is because you always have to "jump" out of the way from the tree so it don't kill you!!!!
Death from above lol
I was thinking the same thing
I was a heli rappeller in Idaho for the forest service and had to drop in to clear cut landing zones and forestry projects as well as fight fires on untouchable terrain. Most people talk about loggers or arborist. Both are very different than what I’m used to and we have no roads or machinery to help us.
@@tim43137 sounds bad ass 🫡
@@tim43137yea and it literally doesn’t matter if you send a tree the wrong direction 90 percent of the time either. That was a really weird flex lol
After years of logging I can say that’s one of the most dangerous things you can do. Please don’t try this.
Lol
It’s always impressive to see experience at work. I still struggle with bar pinch so this was magic to me.
Glad ya liked it.
I'd never do this because I'm a chicken. I've become more cautious as I've grown older.
Don’t do it
@@Good.Fellers I've had trees that appeared to be healthy spiral as they fell and change direction. That's scary.
I respect your skill. I don't have it. I usually pull trees with my tractor to safely guide them. I just paid $700 to have trees over/ near my house cut down.
@hdtvcamera1 Be safe out there.
True.
@@hdtvcamera1I too, have become much more cautious as I have aged. I also use the tractor whenever I'm the least bit uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with wanting to wake up tomorrow...
Thats a pro cut...weekend firewood warriors dont do this if they have any sense. Nice drop though
Hey thank you!
Beautiful cut !
Requires a LOT of skill.
Thanx for sharing !
Hey thank you!
what size saw is he using?
@budtackett8347 592
Indeed, admiring a good spot to mount an outdoor anvil.
That cut saving around 10 minutes of work or so.
And a few toes, a finger and nostril... ;)
OK, I'm not really *that* bad with a chainsaw, just seriously out of practice.
@spvillano lol
You’re gonna have the keyboard warriors out with this one haha.
Lol
Never would have guessed so many internet loggers are the equivalent of gun-range Fudds
@@smeagolmazurenko5238you tube my guy. It makes the wanna bees into heroes and the lame into the aggressive.
@@smeagolmazurenko5238 Guess your small mind got no concept, the world is a big place and your mother legs can not even spread that far..
Sit down before your small mind hurts itself..
its not keyboard warrior as much as people that has actually worked in the business that dont want a noob trying to cut a tree down in his yard do this and get killed.
I like your skill level and understanding of how the process is going to unfold. Fun to watch.
Glad ya dig it!
I was a climber for a master arborist, as well as a builder of bridges and back country structures using chainsaw carpentry milling with an Alaska mill. Not a "keyboard logger". My question is why is this an advantage over a facecut/back cut with a hinge. So it rolls out of another tree's canopy so it doesn't hang up?
No fiber pull, rolls off other trees. Fast, different, cool, dangerous, and a good way to show off. In all reality it’s only something you would do in the right circumstances.
A narrow angle hinge cut would also enable roll of from other trees.
If the tree is very valuable , there is "trunk belts " you can strap on before felling to prevent cracking / loss of bottom log length.
@perstaffanlundgren why waste time?
There isn't an advantage it's just a sloppy technique, old school but this sort of thing has killed or permanently crippled many.
Much better to letterbox the hinge wood from the front (widely used in Europe on hardwood log) you don't pull any fibers when done correctly but still have control.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's been put up as a classic showy "look at me I'm a dangerous manly man" also farming rage clicks from professionals who actually know the proper way to do it.
@@mrln247 He literally says in his first reply......" Fast, different, cool, dangerous, and a good way to show off. In all reality it’s only something you would do in the right circumstances." 🤷♂️😂🤣
Any cut that doesn't use hinge wood is dangerous and should only be attempted by experienced cutters, if ever.
I don’t disagree but would add that cutting trees in general is pretty dangerous
I can certainly see the rationale behind this one. The tree is obviously leaning away from the little offshoot. Plunging in to leave holding wood on the tension side and getting some of it hollowed out. Then releaving the compression side before finishing to get the rest of it cut. Then its just a matter of cutting the trigger and getting the hell out of dodge.
I probably will never need to use this, like the tongue and grove notch, but its a good one to add to the toolbox.
I’m glad you liked this video.
What husky saw is that? One of the new “digital” ones? I picked one of the last old school ones a few years back, so I’m just curious. Good video!
592xp
that's not a jump cut out west.. that's called slick stumping... very dangerous ... not recommended unless you wanna die on the job
Who told you this
@@Good.Fellers i lived it.. cut timber out west for over 20yrs
@HolzMichel hope ya like the channel
I am so confused…1). Why do it 2). When you first started did you bore all the way through?…cameraman left us dangling. 3). Am I correct in assuming you did bore all the way through and then walked your tip around4). WTF happened and when did you cut the whole damn tree? I thought you told her you were just using the tip?
The big advantage of this cut is it saves more of the tree for lumber. Doing a traditional face cut damages the best part of the tree and it adds up over time. Don’t even think about trying this unless you are in the business with substantial experience. This will get a green person killed.
Perfect demonstration. Definitely don’t want to use this method if you don’t have experience you will most likely pinch you saw definitely bring 2 saw if your going to try it out
Facts!
So.. cut then jump? Lol
Love it!
lol!
I’ve done this so many times but on an exponentially smaller, suburban playing field.
Armed with only a plug-in B&D gator! Working alone, these types of cuts have saved me so much time!
Sweet
Like butter!
@tcecchinijr yes
What if the tip is in and there’s no more length on the shaft.
😂
Sounds like a personal problem. I can go harder, faster... Can't go deeper 😆
Seems that there is a shortcoming soon to occur
Lol
Random question. What is your favorite felling saw? I have a 550xp with a 3/8 chain on it and a 20'' bar for felling and a 572xp with a 24'' bar for bucking. Love the power of the 572 but it gets heavy after a while
Right now I’m pumped on the ported 500i but overall I run a 592 more than anything else. I had a 572 and gave it away because it couldn’t handle what I do.
@@Good.Fellers yeah you guys have very large timber. Average size is 8-10 inches at the stump in my area. Mostly softwood. Great content on your part! 👍
@RaymondLapointe88 glad ya dig it.
95% or more of the people who are watching this video should not only never try a cut like this, they shouldn't even own a chainsaw. I said what I said.
Thank you for the comment!
99% of people shouldn’t try a lot of things😂
Problem is only 99% of us agree with you.
Your probably one of them 😢
People don't get how dangerous it is! And they think a pair of chaps will save them!
When is this necessary ?
Never
@@Good.Fellershave to agree. I’ve cut timber over thirty years and never even heard of it. But I never stood with the bottom of the saw facing me. If the chain breaks or jumps it can severely cut you like that . I always stand behind the saw and keep a hand behind the inertia brake. It’s designed to work when held properly. But I’m still willing to learn more , but I only use what I know is safe .
I feel like everything I do is safe. I work slow and methodically. I feel like there’s a lot of bs out there about safety and gear. A little common sense will get you a lot further then any thing else.
I know right, I've been wondering that myself. I can't think of a reason to use this over traditional methods.
The reason you would use this is that it’s fast, efficient, and prevents fiber pull.
What brand/model fixed blade are you wearing on your hip?
It’s a file and saw wrench
I'm noticing it fell in a different direction.. Yeah I'm just going to stick with how I was taught. (weight up top matters)
Lol
Badass. What’s it’s best application?
Cutting veneer
There's a banner on the screen that says don't do this. Then we have someone teaching us how to do this.
Don’t do it
Wow! I’m impressed you cut the tree close to the ground! I have gotten paid very well to cut trees the pros cut 3’ above the ground. At 62 I may fall the tree from 3’ but I always make the stump grinders job easy (sometimes that’s me too but I rent the machine).
Pro timber fallers cutting veneer trees cut like me.
I worked with some old school loggers years ago. We used alot of unkosher down and dirty methods.
@@rustyshackleford842 right on
What sharpener are you using
7/32 file
😮 that was a clean ass cut too
Yes sir!
what brand is this saw?
Husqvarna
Hey, great result from that cut method, thanks! Haven’t seen it before! I wouldn’t recommend standing that close and directly behind the stump though. A flying chip is gun a hurt real bad from there. 🫠
Glad you liked it
Nice clean cut, but it lacks the directional support you get from hinge cut. Ie if not in perfect conditions, tree can fall where ever. If there is any trees hindering the fall those will effect where fell ends up, including coming back towards you and you dont want almost a metric ton of tree giving you a bump.
Pretty uncommon for a tree to bounce back the wrong way.
Sometimes all it takes is a little gust of wind at the wrong moment. What purpose does this serve? I think I'll stick with the notch and hinge.
Omg 😲 a metric toN!?! Is that a bunch more than a sh*t ton?
yeah the point is going right over your head lol. he clearly states to start the cut on the heavy side. The keyboard warrior in you is coming out....
It's not stated in the video, but I think the purpose is to save every inch for lumber. I would not do this just for firewood.@@blairleighton3343
great,
which side is the "heavy" side?
Takes experience to learn.
This one is a Complete New one! Never heard of this !!!
Dangerous don’t do it
Okay, now I know the how. Could someone please explain the why? 😅
What's the benefit of this over the conventional method?
Just a another option
You can see in the comments all the people who think they are loggers who haven’t cut more than 5 loads of logs in their life. This cut is used in production logging in valuable hardwood. It is not used in a residential situation
You are correct.
Ridiculously easier job than an urban climbing removal guy's job. They might fall back to the job of a feller at around 60 or 70 years old instead of retiring.
@@treemands I have done a lot of experience doing both and it is hard to compare them it is two completely different worlds. But with modern gear climbing is way easier than ever before with modern saddles that don’t kill you and srt so by the time you get up the tree you don’t feel like you just ran a marathon
This is a ridiculous comment. Neither job is that hard if you’re in good shape and good at what you do. It’s real hard if you smoke, drink, and eat garbage. Or if you’re under qualified.
Humboldt would be my choice to preserve as much as possible, because I am not an expert and I never want to think I am an expert tree feller.
What factors determine when to “jump cut”?
Hard to explain in comments I’ll talk in vids.
I'm always inpressed with your sawmanship & how well the saws cut 😮
Thank you sir!
😮....wooow.
Greetings from Germany Peter 😎
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Safe to say, we really appreciate the professional advice. 10/10.
Personally, I often question which is the heavy side. Odd, considering I was a carpenter and have a usually great comprehension of physics.
I haven’t been wrong yet, but I question myself too much for the confidence required for those l beautiful cuts. Good thing I’m making firewood and most trees are already tipped over.
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Glad you like the channel
No sponsors at this time
Maybe someday lol
@@Good.Fellersfeel free to ignore me from here on, I never receive notifications of replies. I specifically came back to say-
People would be interested in other products you like(boots, files, oil, etc.). You obviously have been doing this for sometime and people appreciate honest recommendations from those with professional experience.
@@Good.Fellerseye protection and hat especially. Maybe reach out to the manufacturer’s about affiliate links and such first(considering you’re interested, of course).
@WontSeeReplies yeah I agree ☝️
@WontSeeReplies yeah I figure if I get big enough following they will come to me.
Dude! You F’n cut a tabletop! That’s incredible and definitely top tier skills. 🙌
Thank you
If you don’t know what you’re doing do not try this. This can go wrong in too many ways
Thanks for the comment.
Next episode: How to barber chair.
Cant barber chair any of the way I cut trees.
How the heck could it barber chair like that
It can't barber chair when there's no holding wood left. You wouldn't do this on a strong leaner anyways.
@verteup facts!
@@Good.Fellers : All kidding aside, what is the advantage to this type of cut please?
Can't tell from the video, but that looked like Hickory on the inside, but the ark didn't appear to be. I give?? I can't tell you how much I miss the woods and how I always admired a really good cutter. You qualify my friend 😂😂
Can you say how long you've been cutting??
I been cutting about 14 years. I buy all my own timber. I never custom cut. I sell my own logs to sawmills, exporters, veneer plants etc.
I love logging but the fact that you can’t hire any help is starting to get to me. I’m not gonna lie.
It was a poorly colored Bur/White Oak.
@@Good.Fellers Just curious, but do you bid on consulting forester jobs or contact land owners directly?? Consultants will bid the hell out of timber, no loyalties there. There was only 1, what I called a good one, and I could only buy 1 or so a year. At the end there were just getting to be too many unreptutable buyers and they were finding ways of just destroying a woods. Selective cutting became a 4 letter word it seemed like. Wish you well. Stay safe.
I would never under any circumstances buy from a second party seller. I have seen more woods destroyed by leaches in this industry. I can pay top prices as I deal with no middle men on the sale of logs and owe nothing to any mill, plant etc.
In saying that I will deal with no middle men when I purchase timber. I recommend any land owner that considers selling their timber to do their research and when they’re ready to collect a check for said timber to call me.
I could go on for days about the atrocities I have seen with “consulting foresters”. You’re better off hiring an attorney than a forester. I can say it will save/make you money in the long term.
I will go on to say that a person collecting a percentage of sale price without adding value has questionable ethics to say the least.
Just to be clear adding value means manufacturing of a product such as Logs, lumber, veneer, paneling, pallets, the list goes on.
@@Good.Fellers I wish I had met you when I was still buying veneer. I think we could have done some good business. Do you bid your logs or do you have a buyer you sell to most of the time? Any time I was requested to leave a bid, I told them my price was good as long as they could see my taillights as I drove away. 🤣🤣
@ronallen6578 lol, depends on the type of tree and market. To be honest I can tell a buyer what I have and they can tell me if they’re in the realm of reality. I do what makes sense on a job to job basis. In today’s world the younger generation of buyers are very unprofessional and hard to deal with. I have good luck with guys that know logs and know how-to grade veneer and lumber. I do poorly with buyers who don’t actually know the logs. I would say most logs are offered over the phone to different buyers but I try hard to waste no man’s time including my own.
I get about a Chinese contact a month trying to buy direct. I have some very good relationships with American companies that are not exporters. I deal a little with exporters but they’re not as competitive as they were a couple years ago. Honestly mills keep going out of business and it’s kind of a situation where I try to keep good relationships but money is key.
I did this many years ago, working for blank, and I got two weeks off with no pay thanks to the city of Palo Alto
Dang
I don't really het when this cut would be preferred. For leaning trees?
Just another way to cut a tree. It the tree is leaning hard it will slide off the stump backwards which could be dangerous
Ohhhhh... That looks dangerous!
Don't ever do that!
But man, look at that nice extra long log... Hmmmm
Thanks for the well narrated and demonstrated warning video of something never to do!
Your welcome !
Yup don’t ever do it!
Your chain is super sharp!
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When the tip is just in wait for the saw to kick back at you
It doesn’t if you know what you’re doing.
I have felled exactly zero trees but would you say that last little cut was holding the tree up in tension a bit? I guess you did say the front was already sitting down so perhaps it isn't much.
It’s amazing how someone experienced is able to make it look so simple!
Thank you!
So what makes it a jump cut?
It’s just a name for the cut.
You dont have to warn the cameraman, they always survive.
Yes
Nice sac's domar Saw too great job cutting it correct 💯
It’s a husky
only dangerous if you don't know what you're doing with a chainsaw
That’s true.
You can know perfectly well how a chainsaw works, but you need to be able to read trees to do this.
@Bryan-yl7mg fact!
danger do not attempt... 100% im attempting for my next round of mill logs 😂😂. great tip, thanks man.
Don’t do it!
This faller method creates more wood witch = more money on a clear log
How big does a tree have to be in order to be considered counted as a felled tree?
10”
@@Good.Fellers Thanks, your response was in record time!
@xbhendrix yup
Our hotshot crews call this a boring back cut 🔥🌲
Can someone explain why this is dangerous? Is it because itll fall on you if you go too deep too early? I have never cut a tree, nor do i plan on it. Just curious.
I would like to hear these explanations as well.
Great bait, I wont even nibble
😂👍
but you did
Now I would like to know in which situation this could possibly be the best or safest option…
Danger!!!
@@Good.Fellers yeah, I’m also not afraid of danger but now I still don’t know in what situation this is the best option.
I have nearly a year of experience so I’m still learning a lot, I genuinely would like to know when this is useful… in what scenario would you use this and what are the advantages compared to craving a notch?
Faster, no fiber pull, it allows tree to roll off other timber as opposed to breaking the butt or limbs. Efficient, these are several reasons you might use it. If you really want to know watch my TH-cam videos it’s all there my man.
@@Good.Fellers thanks, I’ll check it out 👍
@Wannabearborist no prob, be safe out there
I have felled a couple trees. Dont do this kids. Dont bother with trigger cuts. Stick to what works.
What works?
Good job. Clean work
Thank you!
ONCE IT STARTS TO FALL,GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
Always!
Nice work bro 🤝
Thank you!
I have cut MANY THOUSANDS OF VERY HIGH GRADE trees that way for over 60 years when harvesting big veneer trees.
If I notch a tree I normally use the humbolt under cut.
Always clean out a GOOD escspe route before ever putting the ssw to a tree. Never take your eyes off of a tree until it is down and has stopped moving.
Right on right on right on
That’s the spirit!🫡
I tend to worry about what's going on above me while the cut tree is doing what it's going to do. The branches that get sprung and flung are even more dangerous.
They definitely can be.
Good advice. One of the most dangerous jobs
It would be nice to show the position of the tip of the bar at the end of the first cut. I to watch this about 10+ times to understand what some extra camera angles would have given.
Watch the long form videos on my channel and you’ll see everything
I don't care how many trees you've cut, don't do this ever!...unless you're purposefully trying to unalive yourself.
lol.
It's also officially illegal in Oregon
That’s sad if it’s true
@dougboyer2104 I live by gods law
Unalive..? What a stupid, gen z, brainrot term.
That was a textbook fall. It's not as easy as it looks. Use ropes and a traditional pie cut unless you're 100% confident. The guy who showed me that cut had a plan once the tree started rolling... He threw his saw into a nearby brush pile and got the heck out of there. There's two solid reasons to call it a jump cut. First, the tree is likely to jump off the stump as there is no holding wood hinge. Second, the sawer jumps out of the way once the cut is made.😅❤🎉
Yes
I have no use for a chainsaw, but I think I'm going to buy one👍
Lol
It’ll up your man score 😅
I have a dozen chainsaws and I use two or three. Every once in a while if a tree sets down on my bar, I grab another saw to cut it out. This happens less frequently with experience but sometimes when trees are tangled up it happens more often due to misreading the forces involved. Some saws I have not started in over 7 years, they should be fine and ready to go in case of an apocalypse, I suppose.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 awesome!
What's the advantage to this method? When and why would you choose this method?
I don’t recommend it to anyone, but it prevents pulled fibers and allows tree to roll off obstacles without damaging them.
So its more to save the timber than you?
It’s to do a good and respectable job. I take a lot of pride in my work.
Logger/climber/treeworker here, please never ever ever ever ever use this, unless you genuinely have a death wish.
Oh jeeze! I have seen thousands of trees cut this way.
@@Good.Fellers my colleague once did this. He got fired on the spot, and taken his licences away the day after. The job is already dangerous enough, why make it even more dangerous. You’re sending a tree of its stump without any way possible to control it. That’s simply just incredibly stupid and dangerous.
@@Good.Fellers Im would love to have a conversation with you, to see if you’re actually seriously or taking the piss. Because either there must be something to it, or the person doing this is.. different
The guys I know cutting this way are definitely different. But I’ve seen a lot of trees cut this way.
@@Good.Fellers and all of them are still alive? No accidents happend? All trees landed where they planned to land?
Wow, nice technique 👌
Thank you!
no !!! its a stoopid thing to do
@ajaxmule4994 🤘
Disclaimer: ****DANGER DON'T DO THIS*****
Narrator: "How to jump cut. Okay guys, first thing you're gonna do is...."
I know, ...I get it, I get...idiots will try it and get their tip stuck in too far...
Yes sir
Just the tip is too much for a man, you always end up all the way in.
Lol
As you put just the tip in wait for it to kick back at you
Is a former tree service owner this is the most dangerous cut I have ever seen, the reason this is called a jump cut is because the tree has a tendency to jump back at you. This cut should only be used when the tree has a natural lean in the direction that you wanted to fall, without the notch cut there's nothing stopped in the tree from coming back and killing you. Not saying it cannot be done but this is not rookies. 🤔🧐
That’s cool!👍
Nice clean cut.
Thank you
Can anyone explain a scenario where this cut would be used?
Cutting veneer in the woods.
What's the purpose of using a jump cut? So it will roll if it's gunna get caught in another top?
Yes with out damage to either tree.
A smooth cut but not what we hillbillys call a jump cut. We make a very narrow face cut, bore into the face to remove chance of pulls in the heart, leaving holding wood on the sides only. Usually bore into the side just behind the hinge wood then cut towards the back. Sometimes you have to cut from the opposite side if the tree is big. The tree starts to fall, the face closes and the tree pops the little holding wood that is left, the tree actually jumps off the stump, with the butt 4 to 6 feet away from the stump. Used to maximize the good lumber that can be sawn from high value timber.
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Was a feller for 12 yrs on tree length pine and hardwood tie logs. Thanks man ! I didn't have to watch some igit cut half an extra large pepperoni with mushrooms out of a good tree then leave a 4' stump. Skidder hands on a rocky slope don't seem to appreciate those.
Right on Brother.
Should call this the "Unnecessarily risk your life and those around you for an additional 6" of board length on the log" cut.
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Thats how we used to cut hard leaners years ago before we figured out the hinge cut. We just called it chasing.
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I also found that if you go in this direction that the shavings from the saw blade will partially fill the cut to help prevent jamming.
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That's a Husqvarna XP high performance fuel injected saw correct. I have one and it's always been a b**** to start from day one. I have some other husqvarna's that weren't as expensive as that that always start. I have figured out you pull on the the pull start about 8 to 10:10 just partial up about 8:10 and it seems to Prime the saw as soon as it pops take off the choke. I've even had to have my wife who's been working with me outside which is a good thing she's awesome about it hold the actual handle of the trigger so once it pops you can keep it running unlocked blade just wondering best regards good luck thank you for your videos God bless and be careful😊
Hey thank you!!!
I started running their latest top- handle, the T540XP mark iii. That thing is always a pain to keep running. Maybe it's user error....
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We made the mistake of buying one of the electroniic self tuning Huskies. A PIECE OF CRAP.
Hard to start.
NO MORE HUSKIES FOR ME!!
We will stay with Stihl!!!
@gailhopper3863 I won’t run a stihl.
That was perfect. Great job buddy.
Thank you!
What is the reason or purpose for this method ?!?!
Speed
Efficiency
No fiber pull
Protect surrounding timber
What benefit is there for this cut? What circumstances would it be used for. Thank you.
It’s used by hardwood fallers to get trees down fast without pulling any fibers. It allows the tree to roll off other trees reducing damage to residual timber. It’s also considered dangerous by some and isn’t advisable to use.
@@Good.Fellers Thanks so much for explaining to to me.
I was not trained to do that in the Park Service.North Cascade National Park. You made a widow maker, snags are overhanging branches that could come down on you. Notch the back.
Notch the back?
This video came up the day after Halloween for me and it’s by far the spookiest thing I’ve ever seen.
Lol
I hope to see more of your work. That's awesome
Glad ya liked it.
NO!!! thi sis stupid and dangerous
Super interesting technique. I am way too much of an amateur to even think of doing this. Cool video.
Thank you!!!
I live in Nebraska we don't have a lot of forest but we do have loggers and this is how they drop those Walnut and other kind of trees because they don't want to take any loss they'll dig down around the root and actually cut off slightly below the ground.
I’m very familiar with
I do this all the time in the River bottoms in Missouri with trees without much lean to them works really good and fast but if you don’t have experience at DO NOT DO IT practice on smaller trees first before the big Timber
Yes!
u,are a dead man walkijng
Good technique on higher value logs that you gotta avoid fiber pull from the hinge wood. That walnut had a ton of sapwood, not really what your looking for in walnut.
That was a white oak my man
@Good.Fellers Silly me, florida boys dont know much about black walnut. Best regards.
@kurtsmith4657 right on !!!
If I have to cut a tree that valuable I'll get someone who knows what they're doing- otherwise I'm cutting a notch. Nice job by the way!
Thanks bud
I learned that when I was young play New England they call the Kentucky mach cut hard to make must know the lean 💯 or your scewed.thanks for video
Glad ya liked it.
X cert arborist here. Looks like a lot of stuck chains and bars before one masters this. But I like it.
All true.