Thanks for watching. I wasn't kidding -- until my friend pointed me at some papers, I had no idea spider senses were so spectacular. Hope this blew your mind like it did mine. Also, lots of comments about sponsorships, but that's just how digital businesses run these days, and sometimes the sponsor doesn't line up exactly with the topic. But that's fine! Enjoy any video game you want. Video games for all! -- KH
Nope, i refuse to go with destiny ever again... its a black hole for your pockets, i stopped buying their crap dlc right after the house of wolves. I refuse to give them any more of my money for half produced games and poorly written dialogue. I'm sorry but a little of my respect was lost from this video, but i still love ya even if you are a corporate shill ;)....... jk you will always be awesome keep the great content rolling!
You forgot to mention how they can sense changes in the electrical charge of the air in order to balloon without needing lift from a breeze. That's pretty dope, too.
Since Destiny 2: Forsaken sponsored this episode, can we presume you can ever do videos based on the powers of Destiny and Destiny 2? For instance, a focus on the various Supers of the Guardians (if all the paracausal stuff is outside of reach).
Could I point out that in Destiny 2: Forsaken you deal a lot with an alien insectoid species called "The Fallen" and one of their leaders, who is actually allied to the player, is called "The Spider"? P.S. Yes, I know spiders are not insects. :P
they probably can - my assumption is that it’s similar to DareDevils heightened senses, and he can hear people’s hearts beating with helps him know if they are lying because their heart rate increases slightly
All of this crazy sensitivity spiders have is also without the benefit of a human brain to process it. Personally, I think that combination would make it even more super. I lost a nerve in my ear due to an infection and suddenly my entire sense of balance went haywire. I couldn't even crawl, everything was spinning too much to tell where the floor was. Then, after some time, my brain just learned how to balance itself without the nerve. How crazy is that? My brain just took over because I lost something important and is doing it so well that I can't tell the difference anymore. Our brains are incredible! Putting that amazing power together with the super sensitive spider sense would probably result in things we can't even imagine.
There is a ted talk about how we as humans can add senses by using a camera or some type of recording device to move a device upon the lower back. Doing this they have seen results for blind people being able to "see" using their back. They can also do this with things like a infrared and ultraviolet cameras to be able to sense waves in the air.
This effect is called neuro-plasticity. It was not accepted among neurologists until approximately one or two decades ago. Today it is one of the hottest fields of neurological study and research. It describes the brains capability to rewire itsself even through only the process of thinking about itsself. Yes, it is possible, but very, Very, VERY difficult to achieve. The older a brain becomes, the more set in its ways a brain becomes. The process is too difficult to describe in depth here. But effectively it boils down to: you start learning something new, and your brain needs lots and lots of neurons to make this knowledge become instinctual. Once it reaches the instinctual level, the numbers of neurons the brain requires dies down, and the total numbers of neural connections is reduced significantly. In the same way new neural input (such as from cameras, artifically reversed viewing fields (up is down and vice versa), an artifical sense of 'north' by adding vibrations to the body's sides, sensing electrical fields, etc) can all be learned similar to our 'normal' senses. It requires a significant amount of contiuous training as well as quite some time for the brain to accept it. And the predisposition of the brain's owner's will to make changes to his own brain plays part of a role here, too.
Interesting. My understanding was that a lot of the speed of learning had to do with the input of stimuli. A lot of my PT was all about making myself dizzy in new and interesting ways and then giving my brain time to process the new information and repeating. I was always doing "get dizzy, rest" thing, but without changing it up and adding new stimuli, I wouldn't progress as fast. When something stopped making me dizzy, we'd move on to a new way. If stimuli is connected to learning that closely, then maybe part of the reason why the brain gets so set in its ways as it gets older is because there's just not as much new stimuli. Not only because we've seen more of what there is to see, but there's also the fact that a lot of people's world retracts as they age, not being able to do as much as before. It could be easier for the brain to process it all and get set in its ways that kind of environment. If my hypothesis is correct then a bunch of brand new stimuli, like a huge increase in sensation, would wake even an old brain up and let it be open to processing all that new information. I suppose the best place to look for information supporting my hypothesis would be in the results of adjusting to cochlear implants, artificial limbs, or even colorblind glasses. I mean, if I were actually a scientist and could understand any of the research results or read the papers on it.
except take the "and suddenly my entire sense of balance went haywire. I couldn't even crawl, everything was spinning too much to tell where the floor was" and apply it in the context of "crazy sensitive"
"They are able to feel against their hairs, the individual impacts of atoms and molecules." Let's all just take a moment to consider how OCD a person would become if they had such a sensitivity to their surroundings, such awareness of the tiniest of motions, it would likely drive a man insane if he didn't have the discipline to control it.
Normal humans are already massively perceptible with all their senses combined, but the brain filters most of it out. Otherwise the sound of our own breathing and the constant sight of our nose would drive us crazy. ^^ If Spider-Man were real he couldn't otherwise even wear his suit, let alone fight people, if his brain wouldn't moderate his senses.
@@2nd3rd1st but that does not happen instantly, its like suddenly getting all senses of touch amplifies times a million, it would likely take a long time to get used to, especially since pain will assumably also be amplified and other sensations that go with touch, eg simply walking on anything could feel like your walking on a literal bed of nails, even in socks you would constantly feel the sock individual molecules on ur skin poking you causing you discomfort, oh god could you even be able to wear clothes without being extreamly disconforted
For those who worry about Spider-man being overloaded with sensory inputs from his spider-sense, no he would not be even with Kyle's version of the spider sense. This is due to the fact that every normal human brain can tune out certain inputs from our senses already. With Peter's mutation, due to comic book logic, would make Peter fully adapted in using spider-sense without the stimuli overload cause spiders don't seem to be. If spiders are suffering from sensory overload then that's just a dick move, evolution... dick move.
It might not be the sensory overload alone that would be Peter's problem. Having such a power could possibly put a greater strain on Peter's brain. Similar to how having more limbs demands more resources devoted to motor control, having an additional sense potentially could require more resources from certain parts of the brain. Depending on which lobe the sense developed, it could mean a sacrifice from the lobe(s) involved to accommodate the new function. For example, if the sense was added to the frontal lobe, Peter could potentially lose some of his higher-level functions like his ability to do the science and math he is known for. While it is possible for Peter's brain to fold in over on itself to make this accommodation, there is still only a limited amount of space in his skull before this becomes an issue. Frequent headaches might become a reality for him at the least. Also, this additional sense could potentially require more energy from his body, which might change his eating and sleeping habits, especially with the additional muscle mass. Even with the ability for him to ignore certain inputs from his new senses, he might not survive it long enough to maintain his sanity and get a good night's sleep because of how long it might take him to get used to all of the "noise." In short, you would wind up with a more animalistic Peter Parker, whose sole existence would make him more like the creature from Kafka's "Metamorphasis" than the Spider-Man of legendary heroic fame.
scrwbll19 That is true though and that's not accounting for his heightened reflexes and reaction time. That would put additional load on his brain to process that fast. I would be guessing Peter's spider sense is, in a way, inferior to actual spider sense due to how ridiculously sensitive real spider sense is. Peter's spider sense may not need to be as sensitive as the real spider sense as spiders have evolved to adapt to these changed whereas Peter had a week or so with his body mutating. It's a bit of a cop out but Peter's mutation may already include the ability to just not be overloaded with his spider sense and on top of that, evolved his Cerrebellum to absolute superhuman levels in the same amount of space hence not loosing higher brain function. That's just the only way that it can work given the constraints presented.
I think MCU Spidey was a good intermediate between realism and comic book logic. Peter explained in Civil War that he was suffering from sensory overload at first and acclimated to the sensory noise over time.
also add to that, Peter still has human hair, it is not as many as spiders' per skin area... his "hair sense" maybe not that as strong as a spider, but still way above average than humans'
True. We have not even tackled this issues that might develop with other parts of his body as well. For example, his skin would have to rapidly accommodate all of the new pores while his nervous system would have to add so many cells to make the nervous connections to his brain. Likewise, his muscular system, tendons, and ligaments would have to make space as they were rewired by Peter's newfound strength. In response to all of these changes, his autoimmune system might view these changes as it would to cancer cells, causing him to have something akin to an allergic response at best and HIV/AIDs at worst. In other words, "I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark" would not even begin to cover it.
Some pointed out some problems that I think are not : 1. Spidey has no exoskeleton, which is true, but slit sensilla are very similar to lumbar disc or to articular cartilage (sinovial cavity for example). We can accept, according to "comics logic" that his body is working as the "exoskeleton" directly, and then, from every part of his body, he could feel tiny moves or bends applied to him. 2. Spidey has a full body suit, and then the tactile hairs won't be effective. Although I believe that he would be more effective completely naked, but so much less respected, the fact that the average hair concentration is about 40 000 hairs/cm^2 gives us a hint about the size of every individual hair. I easily believe that hair is able to just passing through the suit, knowing that textile is composed with tiny gaps caused by the way the fabric is arranged. 3. The sensory overload problem. Of course, it means a lot, but really a lot of neuronal information for Spidey, but for me, the problem is not that it would be a lot to process, the problem would be to select what to process, and I think that this is the keys to the problem. By selecting what neuronal message to process (call it Spidey Selection), it becomes a lot more plausible to deal with, no? Otherwise, just imagine a simple day with all these sensibilities, you'll be forever crying... sad way to see Spider-Man ! Let's just add that of course, his brain adapted to this new input of information. By the way Kyle, I wanna to really thank you to read all the comments. Your topics are really good as usual, and it's a real pleasure to listen to.
Well, the full body suit might be specifically to help reduce sensory overload, resolving both 2 and 3, to get the right balance for just the right amount of information
Why not ? The only limitation to this hypothesis is that we never see Spidey having more difficulty to deal with his power without his suit. In fact, he seems to be the exactly the same with or without it ! But I liked the hypothesis !
You're right, I remember that. But none of his Spidey-sense needs his vision. In fact, with what we've learned with Kyle is that Spidey could be completely blind and still, see (feel) absolutely everything around him.
Anybody remember that one crossover fan comic where Spider-man and that girl that wears pink white and black From mha was looking at him and he asked her what's wrong while looking the other way, I'll send the link
Well, in the comics, his abilities really do come off more as kinetic/psionic versions of a spider's abilities, as his clinging works all over his body, not just his hands and feet. And his Spider-Sense operates on a truly ESP-like level, allowing him to disarm bombs just by sensing which wire would trigger the bomb, which I think is beyond the abilities of hyper-sensitive touch.
i think... maybe FLIES are more sensitives... because you can SMASH (Or SHMASH like safiya) a spider... ¡YOU CAN'T CATCH A FLY! DON'T TRY IT, ¡YOU CAN'T DO IT! *_IS THE TRUE¨, ¡¡ACCEPT IT!!_* xD ¡¡Chaoo!! ;-)
Paul Jenkins once wrote in a comic that the Spider-Sense was like looking through individual frames from a video so slow to the point Peter could observe individual pulses of electricity in the lightbulbs of a room. Like he could see the changes in light and dark between each pulse while he was dodging an attack. Absolutely insane
Spider Sense in the MCU is really inconsistent. He seems to have them in the Russo Films, but it is completely absent in his stand alone films except the end of FAR FROM HOME, which is called peter tingle for some reason
@@arycogito as a joke... And he lost it during infinity war, in home coming he sensed a explosion and during civil war he sensed ant man and that car door thrown at him, plus he did say he was being a loner/self made hero for 6 months which meant he good probably still training his spider sense and he did say the (turns out to be camera lenses) helped him focused
+Seren Soriano I was gonna mention that too lol. But I think he mentions the Cabal for the "new players" since they will most likely be playing through the base campaign first.
So here's what should be an obvious follow-up, would you actually want real-life spider senses? My initial thinking would be "oh gods, the sensory input, this is way too much, please make it stop". But that's kind of true for all of our senses now, the brain simply filters and processes data so that it ignores certain types of input and focuses in on others. Would real-life spider senses similarly be capable of honing in on useful sensory input without overloading the system and yet still be useful enough to give us nearly precognitive awareness?
This always seems kind of obvious to me. I knew spiders had amazing senses (though to be fair I didn't know HOW amazing), and the movies and stuff have always shown Peter's hair standing on end when his Spidey Sense is going off the first time or so. It would make sense that Peter's Brain would perceive this much information being processed by his subconscious as almost pre-cognitive. Especially since if the Trichobothria are so sensitive they can pick up disturbances of light, in a way they could "see" all around him. Still can't explain how it works through the suit though, unless they actually come out of the suit like the little grip hairs in the first original movie.
I've been waiting for this episode. The feats and limitations of this power that makes Spider-Man too formidable in a fight. Marvel should consult Because Science for future films.
So theoretically if Spider-Man were to learn magic and increase his knowledge of the quantum realm, and maybe also get an infinity stone, he could actually perceive the changes in atoms and molecules and learn how to manipulate them.
Fun side note: With his wall-clinging ability, Spidey is able to duck faster than anyone else by holding on to the ground and pulling himself down. Likewise with dodging, as everyone else is limited by how much traction they have. The only ones who could come close are the flyers that use forcefields/levitation/TK to yank themselves around.
So, one gripe, you said “the minute disturbances a fly’s wing makes from a few body lengths away.” Aka, the sound. My bosses old lab a few years ago found that specifically jumping spiders, and now probably all spiders, can “hear” from much further than that, like, measured in meters, not centimeters. So, if you scale it up like you do in your example, though I don’t think direct scaling would work, as the hairs don’t get any more sensitive, there’s just more of them, the distance would be ludicrous. Also, one thing you didn’t mention, Not entirely relevant to spidey sense, but relevant to the ep maybe, specifically jumping spiders have INSANELY good vision, like similar level of detail to a humans vision in front of them, and then still quite good 360 around them. With a brain the size of a poppy seed. Thinking back to my previous point, even if the hairs are not more sensitive, the immensely larger computing power of the human brain and larger number of hairs could probably mean that Spider-Man would be able to hear better than daredevil, and therefor know whenever anything was going down in all of New York Perks of spending the last two summers doing research on jumping spiders: I get to maybe be mentioned in a TH-cam vid
His hearing would be enhanced most likely given how we receive sound waves and turn them into sound. So all these things combined he could feel the “bass” or disruption of air pressure of something far away and also hear more accurately. Hard to explain but his brain would be combining these senses into what seems like one sense. That and like you said some spiders have great eyesight. That and his reaction time due to all the hairs and nerves would be insane and it would probably make someone think you had precognition.
It also makes sense for Spider-Man to use synthetic web shooters. Spiders have the genetic ability to know the exact chemical code for 1,000s of different web varieties. When he was bitten, Peter gained this knowledge, letting him create synthetic webbing of his own way.
I noticed one time that our normal human senses sometimes behave at a supernatural way (almost spider sense). When I’m walking on the street and I notice a dog aproaching me barking and growling, I can really feel those chills down my spine and the tingling sensation on the back of my neck as described on the comic book, the hairs of my whole body actually rise (as seen on Tom Hollnd’s Spider-Man) and go back to normal when the danger alert is gone, my body temperature also decreases.
So spider-sense, at least according to you, Mr. Kyle, essentially converts the entirety of Peter Parker's skin into one big hearing organ much like an ear. Depending on how the radioactive spider venom mutated Peter Parker, he could in theory use echolocation, a skill already possible with normal humans as seen mostly developed in blind people. Having Parker his whole skin become one big ear, he could essentially see everything around him at all times leaving no blind spots whatsoever. Edit: Above covers what the trichobothria sense would do. The Slit Sensilla would imbue Peter Parker with another sense that is similar to how elephants can listen through their feet. I imagine this could be achieved by the mutation Peter would have in his joints. Given how ridiculously sensitive it is already in a spider, Peter's version of the Slit Sensilla sense may not need to be as sensitive. Like elephants, Peter could theoretically sense an earthquake coming.
Well spiderman is able to detect things all around him if u have seen in some shows or the spiderman 1 when he was about to get punched by flash Thompson
Another question would be, does the mutation do anything to the time it takes for the nervous system to transmit information? A spider has a lot shorter distance to transmit then a human.
So basically Peter became Daredevil but with more strength, durability, smartness, and over all hell of a lot more functional physiology than it should be capable in such a small body than him. A dig it. Question. Since Peter is so durable that his bones are stronger than steel itself and yet be so light weight (Vibranium like bones now?) and that durability is stretched out across his body. This should mean Peter's skin is much more durable and therefore thicker, and heavier. Shouldn't this balance or affect his sensitivity? Think of it like having near bulletproof skin. Like been almost something like Colossus or Luke Cage. What effect would this have on Peter? We have seen him been toasted across multiple concrete walls many times already and just go like "This nothin' but a scratch". Hell. Guy punched hulk hard enough he made him face the opposite way. *Hhmmm* Also... Shouldn't Peter be so much susceptible to pain then? Having all those nerve endings and stuff across all of his body. I understand Daredevil does. What about Peter? I still don't think Peter's Spider Sense works this way anyways. (Krrrhum big symbiote-covered-skin guys, Swinging around that also has this capability kkrrhum)
ZenKai Yes! This is one of the instances that made me believe that Peter's spider-sense is like echolocation but on a much more subconscious level for Peter.
Thomas Dosman Unsure if Peter's nerves need to transmit signals much faster but seeing Spider man's ridiculous reaction time, I guess there might be some mutation in Peter's nerves as well. I can't say how this is done though.
So basically Peter became Daredevil but with more strength, durability, smartness, and over all hell of a lot more functional physiology than it should be capable in such a small body than him. A dig it. Question. Since Peter is so durable that his bones are stronger than steel itself and yet be so light weight (Vibranium like bones now?) and that durability is stretched out across his body. This should mean Peter's skin is much more durable and therefore thicker, and heavier. Shouldn't this balance or affect his sensitivity? Think of it like having near bulletproof skin. Like been almost something like Colossus or Luke Cage. What effect would this have on Peter? We have seen him been toasted across multiple concrete walls many times already and just go like "This nothin' but a scratch". Hell. Guy punched hulk hard enough he made him face the opposite way. *Hhmmm* Also... Shouldn't Peter be so much susceptible to pain then? Having all those nerve endings and stuff across all of his body. I understand Daredevil does. What about Peter? I still don't think Peter's Spider Sense works this way anyways. (Krrrhum big symbiote-covered-skin guys, Swinging around that also has this capability kkrrhum)
Well, after having attached itself to Peter, i am quite sure any symbiote would be able to replicate the biological functions responsible for the Spidey Sense, and given its usefulness, they... Well, they indeed have done it. You also answer your own question, Peter's bones are stronger than steel *and yet* the same original weight and thickness, the same applies to his skin, stronger but still the original weight and thickness. Furthermore, given his spidey sense being based on his skeleton(as opposed to exoskeleton in spiders) and the hairs on his skin, no change to his skin would actually cause any change to his sensory abilities, also given the perception being on his hairs and not his skin, he would not be any more susceptible to pain on his skin itself. Although, i imagine putting duct tape on his arm and then ripping it off would be excruciating.
Well Kyle, let me tell you a story about a similar apparent precognition ability in humans: After Spider-Man seemingly lost his spider-sense, he acted on the advice of Madame Web and turned to Shang-Chi, the Master of Kung Fu, for help. After sparring with Shang-Chi, Spider-Man used his new knowledge of martial arts that he gained from Shang-Chi and combined it with the combat training he received from Captain America to create his own fighting style. He called it the "Way of the Spider." Complimented by his superhuman strength and agility, the Way of the Spider has proved to be an extremely potent fighting style that he was able to use to defeat Spider-Woman in hand-to-hand combat. It should be noted that prior to learning the Way of the Spider, Spider-Man was unable to defeat Spider-Woman. The eventual return of his spider-sense gave him a tremendous boost to his already-exceptional fighting skills. This actually mirrors the martial artists training. They learned how to identify the smallest body motions to figure out how the person is going to act and react, giving credit to the psychic martial arts myth. In other words, you can develop a spider-sense. But not with the way of the spider, but with the way of martial arts. Why? BECAUSE SCIENCE!
When I was a child I saw how the other children tortured the spiders. They would take a leg of the spider and pull it off. They did it again, and again until it died. If the spider has more nerves and can even feel a light, then you can just imagine in how much pain that spider was😢 P. S. If there are those who are scared of spiders or have arachnophobia, there is a way to get rid of the spider by not killing it. Just take a glass and some kind of paper. Then trap the spider in the glass and slowly put it on top of the paper, be careful not to pull off the legs (sometimes they get stuck). Then go to the balcony or outside and let it go. If they keep coming back you can try searching ways to repel them.
The problem is the spider will still exist near your home. So that's not a solution. Just give it a quick death. I let daddy long legs live though, as long as they keep their space.
This actually also helps explain Spider Man's ability to withstand tons of pain. Mechanoreceptors relay touch/sensation signals, nociceptors relay pain signals. These two processes both meet at Wide Dynamic Range neurons and send signals to the brain. If the mechanoreceptor signal overpowers the nociceptor signal, then the nociception won't be transmitted to the brain. So it would make sense that if Spider Man is constantly receiving such extreme mechanical stimuli, his ability to receive nociceptive signals would be decreased. This isn't to say that he would never feel pain because pain and nociception are not the same thing. Pain is much less straightforward than nociception (and we can feel pain without receiving nociceptive input) but I think it does mean that at times when he would be using his spidey sense, he would be desensitized to nociceptive input. Again, pain and nociception are very complex, nuanced, and still require lots of research, but I think the general idea helps us understand how Spider Man can receive such a beating and still fight.
2:47 Cool. I had the exact same thought. Spiders are so cool and cute. These spider senses are another reason why the myth of spiders crawling in your mouth at night can't be and isn't true. They are way too sensitive for that to happen. Spiders would feel your heat and breath and everything else of your movements. To all people with arachnophobia: Don't worry, spiders don't come near you voluntarily. They are too shy and too careful because they don't want to be eaten. Probably too late for footnotes, again. :( Kyle, timezones are killing me. Btw love your show, watched all the episodes and you deserve way more subscribers. Really!
I would love to see a follow up with "Would you really want spider powers?" Or maybe just any one of Spider-Man's powers whether it being spider-sense, wall crawling, or web shooting?
Kyle, just want to say thank you for making all these shows. My kids and I watch you each week and absolutely love the energy, positive attitude, jokes, and fun you bring to each show. The fact that you keep it family friendly, like language and references, matters a ton to this 35 yr old dad of 2. Thank you Eli, Eli-Deon, and Annabelle
Hello Kyle. I've got a question(s): Could the spider that bit Peter Parker really have been radioactive? Is it even remotely possible for such an organism to be made of atoms with unstable nuclei with varying degrees of decay? If it did, would it have lived long enough to deliver that bite to Peter? Wouldn't Peter have suffered from radioactive poisoning or radiation sickness? Is it safe to assume that Horizontal Gene Transfer (HGT) was the mechanism by which Peter got his powers? Could the CRISPR Cas9 system been involved?
Steve Mayor well, not all versions of the Spider that bit Peter are radioactive, in the Ultimate comics, it had an experimental super soldier serum tested on it. Noir, magic Spider God. 2099, genetically altered to try and replicate the original Spider-Man. It varies from each universe.
To add to Ultragodzillafan's String of thought... after a While in 616 there was this kinda Reveal that the spider's Radioactivity isn't even what Made it give him powers, turns out it was actually a Magic Spider Choosing it's avatar, that just Happened to be Radioactive, the Radioactivity Actually causes problems down the line for Peter....
That's why Marvel has retconned his origin story a couple of times, as well as quit a few other heroes and villains. We, the human race, and even comic book writers have learned a lot about radiation and what it really does, as well as genetic engineering and modification since most of these characters were created. (The original explanation for Tony Starks Iron Man armor was the power of transistors) Sometimes they go with a more sciencey explanation and sometimes they double down on the original storyline and just say because I said so.
You may also be interested to know that virtually everything in normal life is sliiightly radioactive. For example, radioactive Carbon-14 exists in all organic matter
Wouldn't he get overwhelmed with all the sensations he'll be surrounded by seeing the amount of motions and constant chaos around him? Even normal people with heightened senses feel all the pain that comes with that increases sensitivity, and seeing how Spidey is going through all the things he does, I'm surprised he hasn't gone mental or turned evil yet
I feel like it would be something you'd learn to adapt to and your brain would eventually tune most of it out. Especially in the comic world. It's how Superman deals with his hyper senses.
Hey Kyle, does your office have a heavier O2 content than earths atmosphere? because a giant spider could probably survive in a heavier oxygen environment. the problem with upscaling arachnids and insects is that the trachea would only give oxygen to the places closet to them. the heavy oxygen environment is likely how insects got so big around 300 million years ago. you probably knew this because your office filled with giant insects catches on fire a lot...
Watch the size of life by kurzgesagt. oxygen isn't the only factor to consider when talking about the size of living things, surface area to volume ratio is very important when talking about cells.
According to the most realistic theories, giant flying insects were possible because the atmospheric pressure was 4-5x greater at that time. Greater pressure makes trachea breathing more efficient.
@Jason Mullings And as for your suggestion of Infra sound? The venom symbiotes could vibrate It's body to produce a counter sound much like those used by high tech noise canceling head phones.
@Jason Mullings True, and that is why higher pitches and louder sounds hurt him perhaps? Because infra sound is a lower pitch that human hearing while he is frequently hurt by Ultrasound
If they show Spiderman's origin in the newer movies, I'm hoping show his transformation after being bit like this: Super Strength: He get's a Goku-like appetite and slowly gets buff throughout the course of a week or more, because you can't go from skinny to buff overnight unless you have some sort of nutrient intake or stored like fat. Those superpowered muscles can't be built out of nothing. Meanwhile, people think it could be a normal teenage appetite, but are skeptic on how extreme it is. Spider Sense: The heightened senses cause him to act like he has a constant hangover and a little skittish. He's more sensitive to light and sound so he would wear sunglasses all the time and would be affected by any little noise. He would also be pretty jumpy if someone like his friend approached him from behind. Meanwhile, people might assume he's been partying, drinking, and/or taking drugs. It's a bit different from the other movies and makes at least a bit more sense scientifically.
My only problem with spider sense as we know it is that is is portrayed regularly as only picking up dangers, and not other movements within range. I like to imagine a scenario where someone moves in to give Peter Parker a gentle, friendly hug, and he would feel the motions and the hug before it happened, but he's so used to his "spider sense" going off when in danger that the man flinches or freaks out.
Being born half deaf and regaining my full hearing later in life i find it a bit comical how easilly movies brush off the fact that spiderman and other superheros would probaly go insane with the amount of sensory input they suddenly recieve. When i was around 14y old i was able to wear hearing aids to somewhat mimic fully functional hearing. This drove me almost to tears, i ripped them off my ears the second i walked on the streets, the wind,cars and mostly people all make so much noice that i could barely handle it. 8 years later and i still find loud noices to be extremly annoying (especially womans high pitch yamming, sorry!) it's not something you just let go off.
if we were to incorporate all real life experience and other stuff a) Spider-Man won't exist b)it would be a boring story c)its a comic where physics is constantly defied d) these movies all so brush off so many other things like how peters spine hasn't broken yet and other stuff e)it's not real,never claimed to be
There have been some shows / movies that have shown this. Yes they did tone it down a bit, but it was there. I did feel that the Daredevil series did pretty decent job with it.
I feel like having spidy sense would be a double edge sword. On one hand you are constantly aware and in tune with your environment on a sensory level that would make sonar and echolocation mere child's play, but everyday life would be troublesome. For example (if we are going by the science laid out here) Peter would not only have an increase in the number of nerves but how they function. On one hand increasing the amount of nerves alone will cause some issues. To give a conparison a super taster has over 30 papillae on their tongue, a medium taster has 15 - 30 papillae and a non taster has under 15. Because of this, super tasters are more sensitive to certain strong tastes such as bitterness where as a non taster wont have much issues at all. The differences between super tasters and medium/non tasters are not that much but they have significant differences. Same logic would apply with the nervous system on the body. Increasing the amount of nerves by a few could produce significant results. And this has been proven (by most unfortunate circumstances... Thow must say no more ✂🍌)... But results showed that those that "had it" were up 7x less sensitive than those who didn't. And those were a few thousand nerves and the same type one has on their lips and finger tips. Gross brutality aside, his nervous system wouldn't have a few thousand more nerve cells. It would have a few billion more nerve cells which would make him not only sensitive to his surroundings but hed be very susceptible to it. Hed be extremely vulnerable to irritants anything from vineager, to dish soap, to bleach and fiber glass. Now going to the trigger hairs on that he would have developed that would also prove to be problematic. His spidersense is not a voluntary ability. Just like Wolverines healing, it is passive and therefor cannot be controlled or turned off so it would be constantly active and would constantly fire even at the most minuscule events. Because of this there would be no way to differentiate between a threat and a harmless. His senses can only tell so much. They would only give him general information about imbalances of his area. Not the specifics (in other words he would have the what and where, but not the why). So it would be up to him to determin what that why is.
No, most likely he was referencing Amazing Spider-Man #1 which came out March 1963. OP is correct that spider-sense (along with Spider-Man) was established 1962.
This is amazing! Another reason to love spiders :D I do struggle to imagine how scientists measured such tiny forces and distances accurately and consistently when doing these experiments, but I'll check out the links.
Is it wrong that I experienced piloerection at this video and Kyle's portmanteau title? There is the question about signal to noise ratio. As sensitivity increases, the ability to sense minor variations increases but what about background noise. If tricobothria and slit sensilla are basically very^(some really big frickin' number) sensitive variation of touch (using fluid air and atoms and molecules as in Brownian motion) then what about the background "noise" in the fluid. I would compare it to trying hear a whisper during a Norwegian black metal concert or trying to feel someone blowing on your arm during a tornado. Unlike bats that emit characteristic sound (frequency and modulation I think), bird calls that use a pattern of variation in frequency/duration, and mothers that recognise the nuances of their own offspring call (goats and elephants), I am curious about the information contained in what the spider senses (frequency and amplitude of the vibration) and whether the size, shape, speed, or material composition can be discerned. A m^3 of styrofoam and a m^3 of steel would displace identical volumes of air when thrown at the same velocity but I would not be too concerned with getting hit in the face by the styrofoam. As an aside, my friend Luke's girlfriend's parents are deaf and have "unique" tastes in music because it is a tactile experience for them. And I remember the animal communication stuff from reading "Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel" by Carl Safina. Adam Savage recommended it in one of his podcasts.
I don't think it's like that. At least as a example, dogs obviously can hear very good, but they have no problems living for example in a loud town. So I would be surprised if spiders would feel everything 1000 times harder.
Also, spiders don't have pain receptors (and even if they did, they could easily have a vastly different sensitivity) so they actually probably feel a lot less pain than humans with the same impact, if any at all.
Not to make it weird but this (to varying degrees) is why erogenous zones work the way they do. They aren't reading hair movement, but they ARE reading pressure on the skin, relating this to the CNS, and passing it further. This allowed the body to identify the zone in which the body is both comfortable and aroused. There is a zone for that, and it is VERY much individual to the person.
Imagine suddenly getting those super senses and then having to adapt to all the extra sensory information. You would be easily startled, overwhelmed and incredibly ADD for a while: you could feel everyone's footsteps, feel the breeze as they moved, and if someone brushed past you in a hallway, you would feel it exponentially more. I can imagine that the "Spider Sense" would take some getting used to while Peter learned to ignore all the extraneous information.
This was truly an awesome and informative video. I had no idea just how cool spiders were. That said, I cannot imagine the amount of sense noise that Peter Parker would be taking in every moment of every day. Maybe it is answered by spiders once again, but how the hell would spiders (or Peter Parker) even sleep, better yet function day to day, without wanting to tremble and jump every second of their life? I picture the same thing as background stories for DareDevil and other super-sense heroes as they deal with all the information coming in and having to learn to cope. Side note: That makes me realize that I would LOVE to see a Spiderman origin movie where he is literally suffering from his new senses while he learns to control them.
Because Spiderman's Spider Senses would be biological organs... that means THEY WOULDN'T HELP HIM IN VIDEOGAMES!!!! This is actually really cool because Peter Parker wouldn't have any sort of superhuman advantage in videogames, he could play any sort of Online or Singleplayer games without feeling too bored! Sure he has superior reflexes, but a lot of those abilities can be explained by his Spider Sense, Videogames are purely visual and auditory, meaning that all of his Spider Sense Organs wouldn't be useful while playing! Other than being unusually fast, he could be just a normal gamer, which fits Peter's personality really well!
Except he'd be able to feel the electricity of the controller and game system and eventually be able to respond accordingly. Even if he played online there would be the possibility of him reacting to the wireless data transfer (which is also energy) in addition to the system. So the only things that would be able to beat him would be lag, hax, and eventual banishment from most game servers.
I'm seeing in the comments that people are equating nerves to pain, and since spiders apparently have many thousands of more nerves per square centimeter than a human, they must be extremely sensitive to the sensation of pain. This has been an ongoing and hotly debated topic in entomology. In the human world, pain acts as kind of a warning that something about our bodies needs to be addressed and requires intervention. I'd think we're MORE sensitive to pain than spiders because (for example) we have less limbs that can't regrow and damage to any of them could jeopardize our survival. When we break a leg, our bodies react with severe pain because we only have two and fixing the broken leg requires our intervention. For a spider though, the sensation of pain should be much different. Not only do they have four times as many legs, but their bodies can fix broken ones and even regrow them! So the need for pain isn't as necessary. Their bodies do not require intervention and have evolved to deal with injuries and lost limbs naturally. Therefore, spiders have evolved a much greater propensity to sense other things to help it survive - not so much pain (at least in the sense of broken/lost limbs).
I came on here to issue a nerdrection (Nerd-correction?) about using outliers as representatives for a cohort and how that can lead to mis-representation of a group and poor generalization. But, I think my assumptions may have been off. When I first heard your figures, I assumed you were taking extreme examples of spider perceptions from research *from across a large number of species*. This is something I see often in fiction that irks me; where you have a guy who is called "Snake man", after being bitten by a radioactive garter snake he gains: the fangs of a Gaboon pit viper, the venom of an inland tipan, the swallowing capacity of a reticulated python and the musculature of a green anaconda, with NO actual discussion on the page of any of those species. We are just to assume that "snakes" come with all of those traits baked in. And so here I was to nerdily rebuke your use of a variety of spiders to upgrade our Peter Parker with scientifically accurate spidey sense (awesome!), but from what I can see through my own lit review it appears most of your figures come from research done on cupiennius salei (Wandering Spider) which is the "white lab rat" of spider research. In which case, your generalizability to run of the mill spiders should be pretty darn good (entymologists feel free to correct me). Anyway, if this is correct, then I retract my correction! Nerd on Kyle!
Nature never ceases to amaze me. After becoming a bit of an ant-lover after both the antman movies and a video game in which you control a small ant colony (which tbh is set in pretty realistic environments), I'm now starting to love spiders.
A couple of problems i would see with just up-scaling a spiders sensory system to human size, adapting it to human physiology and our environment: 1. Effective range The effective range of the spider senses (tactile hair or trichobothria) wouldn't scale linear to the mass increase of the user, but even sink, because the sensitivity would be roughly reciprocal to the mass increase of the sensory hair (double the mass, double the energy need for activation), though the directional accuracy should slightly improve (bigger detector). Detecting a bullet mid-flight and reacting to it fast enough should be near impossible, because of its high velocity and small cross section. The increased size would also limit the sensitivity of the slit sensilla (roughly reciprocal to the increase in length of the leg-segment) 2. No exoskeleton The fact the we are not clad in an exoskeleton would, in my opinion, pose other problems with the detection sensibility. Our connective tissue, sinews, muscles and bones function far better as a shock absorber than an exoskeleton would and will significantly lessen any forces transferred and therefore would up the minimum forces needed to trigger the activation of slit sensilla. 3. Changes to your nervous system. Having that high a density of receptors covering our skin would probably require several hundred times the amount of sensory nerve fibers than we currently have, which would make it quite difficult to fit inside inside our spine. 4. Wearing a full-body suit. The obvious problem is that you cover your sensory array with a material that shields it from its form of input (in this instance probably even triggering just about every single one, bent by the fabric, but at least significantly lowering the sensibility) Even if we were to disregard the self-imposed sensory deprivation induced by covering your sensory organ with a layer of fabric, i still see another, possibly more pressing problem with the suit. By covering your whole body with an elastic fabric you more or less link every tactile hair or trichobothria with each other, creating a net that reacts to every motion you make by triggering about every sensory receptor covered by the suit. Even something as insignificant as flexing your muscle or shifting your weight a small fraction, would potentially drown any life-saving information out. Though we would have similar problems every time we move, because every change in motion or direction would accelerate the sensory hairs and possibly trigger them. 5. Effectiveness inside the city All the different sound and shock waves generated in the city, travelling through air and concrete should make it quite difficult to take up on the often smaller stimuli which would be generated by the possible threat. Nonetheless was this episode once again quite enjoyable!
Great video, Kyle! Wouldn't Spidey's web fluid be cold since it's adiabatically expanding once released from the pressurized web cartridge? I always imagined it'd be similar to silly string. Do you think it'd be warm because it's also expanding like a spray foam? I'm sure I've heard webhead mention that the fluid expands dramatically once it hits air...
The chemical reactions between the chemicals in spray foam that cause it to actually become a foam are exothermic; it gives off heat as the reactions progress. I haven't been able to find a source for whether spider silk's reactions are exothermic or endothermic, but it seems that Kyle is arguing the former. I think adiabatic processes are more in play for gases than liquids (or whatever spider silk is classified as).
As much as I love the Raimi Spidey Sense, I think that if it had included the hair response from Infinity War it would have been the perfect Spidey Sense.
Spiders also have an additional sense (or at least the way their brain is weird, idk the exact details.) But basically, with all their CRAZY senses, you would think they are constantly being overwhelmed by sensations, but... Nope. They can feel a butterfly fart across the world basically means they feel everything, always, but their senses only actually consciously pick up on something if they want it to, or if it's relevant to them. So even with 3 different layers of crazy touch sensitive organs, they don't go crazy, and are able to respond to information that's actually relevant.
To be fair, any human aware of their surroundings would be able to tell when the Vulture blocks the sun. However, unlike normal humans, Spidey would be able to tell that with a much smaller shadow cast on him from a Vulture much further away.
Not only can spiders detect the slight movements of fluids, the ground they stand on and the incredibly minute pressure on their hairs, but there have been studies done on ballooning spiders (you covered this a bit in a previous video) that allows them to detect slight changes in atmospheric static charge. If the atmosphere is positive enough that day and there isn't much wind, then and only then will they take flight.
I’ve got one for you. When I was at university we did a study on if it’s possible for the body to make synthetic web strands. And surprisingly it was. Not in the way Spider-man can in the comics but a very thin visible stand was able to be made from the plasma found in blood. I’ll explain. Say you have a small blister or in the studies case a skin reaction that can leave your hands with tiny heat bumps that have blister like fluid. We managed to pull a stand of the fluid and suspend it in the air and it dried just like spider silk!!
Hey Kyle So if we had spider senses, we'd probably be naked. Clothes would set off the sensors constantly and unless we learned to ignore it, it would make the sense completely useless. Even if we learned to ignore the trigger from clothing it would lessen the effectiveness of the sense. Since spiderman is completely covered in a suit, his senses would be constantly overloaded unless like you suggested he found a workaround that let the hairs through or put the hairs on the suit, the latter which doesn't seem canon to spiderman. Thanks! Mike
Maybe he wears the suit for the same reason he told Tony Stark he wore the goggles: He gets overstimulated. The light bothers his eyes, so all that movement might be too much touching for him?
Wouldn't it be like our other senses? Like when you get used to a smell, you can't smell it as much but if a new smell is introduced then your sense of smell gets triggered again. So if you're feeling the same vibrations or whatever, that sensation would dull but once a new vibration is introduced, it becomes more noticeable.
Clothes wouldn't even be the problem he would feel the air move when he walks or breaths or the vibrations of the constant mini earthquakes happening in the world
Technically speaking, his regular suit is light material. He had stated before that when he wears it, it feels like he's wearing nothing. So i believe that his tactile hair would work if the suit is light material, if he could feel the wind through his suit then I'm confident that his mutated hairs would still work through making his spider sense still as effective as it is
Thanks for the video, I am a big Spiderman fan and this video gives me more respect for spiderman's powers. I wish I had spiderman's powers even if physics and science would probably beg to differ, for as your other videos said super strenght could be a gift but also a curse. Spectacular video, also amazing.
Maybe Peter (or Tony Stark in the MCU) could build a neural amplifier under the suit that can enhance a little bit the Spider sense so Peter could feel it as he doesn't have the suit on. The problem would be adapting this in the Iron Spider suit, although in the MCU it's made with nanotech, but still it's made of metal, and would be difficult to conduct the nerve impulses of the Spider sense accurately
!? Why... Do you not understand that all man does is a procession of sequential emergence, which is why correlations are perceivable at every level of man's activity. There isn't a thing that is "totally made up." This is because people are inspired by other things and other people, also; cognitive redundancy makes us all have strikingly similar realizations~connections in the most abstract of abstractions.-It's all just math...
Spiderman could not feel a bullet approaching because of its atmospheric disturbances. Bullets travel at speeds exceeding the speed of sound, thus the pressure wave the bullet creates could not extend past the tip of the bullet ( which creates a mach cone, suepersonic bang etc.)
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Thanks for watching. I wasn't kidding -- until my friend pointed me at some papers, I had no idea spider senses were so spectacular. Hope this blew your mind like it did mine. Also, lots of comments about sponsorships, but that's just how digital businesses run these days, and sometimes the sponsor doesn't line up exactly with the topic. But that's fine! Enjoy any video game you want. Video games for all! -- KH
Nope, i refuse to go with destiny ever again... its a black hole for your pockets, i stopped buying their crap dlc right after the house of wolves. I refuse to give them any more of my money for half produced games and poorly written dialogue. I'm sorry but a little of my respect was lost from this video, but i still love ya even if you are a corporate shill ;)....... jk you will always be awesome keep the great content rolling!
You forgot to mention how they can sense changes in the electrical charge of the air in order to balloon without needing lift from a breeze. That's pretty dope, too.
Because Science make a video about the possibility of super abilities like the ones in destiny 2
Since Destiny 2: Forsaken sponsored this episode, can we presume you can ever do videos based on the powers of Destiny and Destiny 2? For instance, a focus on the various Supers of the Guardians (if all the paracausal stuff is outside of reach).
Could I point out that in Destiny 2: Forsaken you deal a lot with an alien insectoid species called "The Fallen" and one of their leaders, who is actually allied to the player, is called "The Spider"? P.S. Yes, I know spiders are not insects. :P
It sounds like they could feel our hearts beating in our chests.
they probably can - my assumption is that it’s similar to DareDevils heightened senses, and he can hear people’s hearts beating with helps him know if they are lying because their heart rate increases slightly
Sharks can up to a certain distance..I think it's between 200-300ft
Yet we can kill them so easily
If you wish upon a starrrrRR
They're pretty much like vampires, so yeah, they kind of need that.
All of this crazy sensitivity spiders have is also without the benefit of a human brain to process it. Personally, I think that combination would make it even more super. I lost a nerve in my ear due to an infection and suddenly my entire sense of balance went haywire. I couldn't even crawl, everything was spinning too much to tell where the floor was. Then, after some time, my brain just learned how to balance itself without the nerve. How crazy is that? My brain just took over because I lost something important and is doing it so well that I can't tell the difference anymore. Our brains are incredible! Putting that amazing power together with the super sensitive spider sense would probably result in things we can't even imagine.
There is a ted talk about how we as humans can add senses by using a camera or some type of recording device to move a device upon the lower back. Doing this they have seen results for blind people being able to "see" using their back. They can also do this with things like a infrared and ultraviolet cameras to be able to sense waves in the air.
This effect is called neuro-plasticity. It was not accepted among neurologists until approximately one or two decades ago.
Today it is one of the hottest fields of neurological study and research.
It describes the brains capability to rewire itsself even through only the process of thinking about itsself. Yes, it is possible, but very, Very, VERY difficult to achieve.
The older a brain becomes, the more set in its ways a brain becomes. The process is too difficult to describe in depth here.
But effectively it boils down to: you start learning something new, and your brain needs lots and lots of neurons to make this knowledge become instinctual. Once it reaches the instinctual level, the numbers of neurons the brain requires dies down, and the total numbers of neural connections is reduced significantly.
In the same way new neural input (such as from cameras, artifically reversed viewing fields (up is down and vice versa), an artifical sense of 'north' by adding vibrations to the body's sides, sensing electrical fields, etc) can all be learned similar to our 'normal' senses. It requires a significant amount of contiuous training as well as quite some time for the brain to accept it. And the predisposition of the brain's owner's will to make changes to his own brain plays part of a role here, too.
Interesting. My understanding was that a lot of the speed of learning had to do with the input of stimuli. A lot of my PT was all about making myself dizzy in new and interesting ways and then giving my brain time to process the new information and repeating. I was always doing "get dizzy, rest" thing, but without changing it up and adding new stimuli, I wouldn't progress as fast. When something stopped making me dizzy, we'd move on to a new way.
If stimuli is connected to learning that closely, then maybe part of the reason why the brain gets so set in its ways as it gets older is because there's just not as much new stimuli. Not only because we've seen more of what there is to see, but there's also the fact that a lot of people's world retracts as they age, not being able to do as much as before. It could be easier for the brain to process it all and get set in its ways that kind of environment.
If my hypothesis is correct then a bunch of brand new stimuli, like a huge increase in sensation, would wake even an old brain up and let it be open to processing all that new information. I suppose the best place to look for information supporting my hypothesis would be in the results of adjusting to cochlear implants, artificial limbs, or even colorblind glasses. I mean, if I were actually a scientist and could understand any of the research results or read the papers on it.
except take the "and suddenly my entire sense of balance went haywire. I couldn't even crawl, everything was spinning too much to tell where the floor was" and apply it in the context of "crazy sensitive"
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"They are able to feel against their hairs, the individual impacts of atoms and molecules." Let's all just take a moment to consider how OCD a person would become if they had such a sensitivity to their surroundings, such awareness of the tiniest of motions, it would likely drive a man insane if he didn't have the discipline to control it.
Normal humans are already massively perceptible with all their senses combined, but the brain filters most of it out. Otherwise the sound of our own breathing and the constant sight of our nose would drive us crazy. ^^ If Spider-Man were real he couldn't otherwise even wear his suit, let alone fight people, if his brain wouldn't moderate his senses.
My daughter has OCD
true asf lmao
@@2nd3rd1st but that does not happen instantly, its like suddenly getting all senses of touch amplifies times a million, it would likely take a long time to get used to, especially since pain will assumably also be amplified and other sensations that go with touch, eg simply walking on anything could feel like your walking on a literal bed of nails, even in socks you would constantly feel the sock individual molecules on ur skin poking you causing you discomfort, oh god could you even be able to wear clothes without being extreamly disconforted
That's a very Joker thing to say
For those who worry about Spider-man being overloaded with sensory inputs from his spider-sense, no he would not be even with Kyle's version of the spider sense. This is due to the fact that every normal human brain can tune out certain inputs from our senses already. With Peter's mutation, due to comic book logic, would make Peter fully adapted in using spider-sense without the stimuli overload cause spiders don't seem to be. If spiders are suffering from sensory overload then that's just a dick move, evolution... dick move.
It might not be the sensory overload alone that would be Peter's problem. Having such a power could possibly put a greater strain on Peter's brain. Similar to how having more limbs demands more resources devoted to motor control, having an additional sense potentially could require more resources from certain parts of the brain. Depending on which lobe the sense developed, it could mean a sacrifice from the lobe(s) involved to accommodate the new function. For example, if the sense was added to the frontal lobe, Peter could potentially lose some of his higher-level functions like his ability to do the science and math he is known for. While it is possible for Peter's brain to fold in over on itself to make this accommodation, there is still only a limited amount of space in his skull before this becomes an issue. Frequent headaches might become a reality for him at the least. Also, this additional sense could potentially require more energy from his body, which might change his eating and sleeping habits, especially with the additional muscle mass. Even with the ability for him to ignore certain inputs from his new senses, he might not survive it long enough to maintain his sanity and get a good night's sleep because of how long it might take him to get used to all of the "noise." In short, you would wind up with a more animalistic Peter Parker, whose sole existence would make him more like the creature from Kafka's "Metamorphasis" than the Spider-Man of legendary heroic fame.
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That is true though and that's not accounting for his heightened reflexes and reaction time. That would put additional load on his brain to process that fast. I would be guessing Peter's spider sense is, in a way, inferior to actual spider sense due to how ridiculously sensitive real spider sense is. Peter's spider sense may not need to be as sensitive as the real spider sense as spiders have evolved to adapt to these changed whereas Peter had a week or so with his body mutating.
It's a bit of a cop out but Peter's mutation may already include the ability to just not be overloaded with his spider sense and on top of that, evolved his Cerrebellum to absolute superhuman levels in the same amount of space hence not loosing higher brain function. That's just the only way that it can work given the constraints presented.
I think MCU Spidey was a good intermediate between realism and comic book logic. Peter explained in Civil War that he was suffering from sensory overload at first and acclimated to the sensory noise over time.
also add to that, Peter still has human hair, it is not as many as spiders' per skin area... his "hair sense" maybe not that as strong as a spider, but still way above average than humans'
True. We have not even tackled this issues that might develop with other parts of his body as well. For example, his skin would have to rapidly accommodate all of the new pores while his nervous system would have to add so many cells to make the nervous connections to his brain. Likewise, his muscular system, tendons, and ligaments would have to make space as they were rewired by Peter's newfound strength. In response to all of these changes, his autoimmune system might view these changes as it would to cancer cells, causing him to have something akin to an allergic response at best and HIV/AIDs at worst. In other words, "I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark" would not even begin to cover it.
Some pointed out some problems that I think are not :
1. Spidey has no exoskeleton, which is true, but slit sensilla are very similar to lumbar disc or to articular cartilage (sinovial cavity for example). We can accept, according to "comics logic" that his body is working as the "exoskeleton" directly, and then, from every part of his body, he could feel tiny moves or bends applied to him.
2. Spidey has a full body suit, and then the tactile hairs won't be effective. Although I believe that he would be more effective completely naked, but so much less respected, the fact that the average hair concentration is about 40 000 hairs/cm^2 gives us a hint about the size of every individual hair. I easily believe that hair is able to just passing through the suit, knowing that textile is composed with tiny gaps caused by the way the fabric is arranged.
3. The sensory overload problem. Of course, it means a lot, but really a lot of neuronal information for Spidey, but for me, the problem is not that it would be a lot to process, the problem would be to select what to process, and I think that this is the keys to the problem. By selecting what neuronal message to process (call it Spidey Selection), it becomes a lot more plausible to deal with, no? Otherwise, just imagine a simple day with all these sensibilities, you'll be forever crying... sad way to see Spider-Man ! Let's just add that of course, his brain adapted to this new input of information.
By the way Kyle, I wanna to really thank you to read all the comments. Your topics are really good as usual, and it's a real pleasure to listen to.
Well, the full body suit might be specifically to help reduce sensory overload, resolving both 2 and 3, to get the right balance for just the right amount of information
Why not ? The only limitation to this hypothesis is that we never see Spidey having more difficulty to deal with his power without his suit. In fact, he seems to be the exactly the same with or without it ! But I liked the hypothesis !
We never hear about the suit specifically, but he did mention that his goggles was specifically designed to reduce some sensory overload.
You're right, I remember that. But none of his Spidey-sense needs his vision. In fact, with what we've learned with Kyle is that Spidey could be completely blind and still, see (feel) absolutely everything around him.
That's an interesting thought. Much like daredevil can use sound to essentially echo locate everything around him, just with different avenues.
So spiders could literally feel the infrared radiation from a person/animals body heat.
Spiders literally know if someone is looking at them.
Anybody remember that one crossover fan comic where Spider-man and that girl that wears pink white and black From mha was looking at him and he asked her what's wrong while looking the other way, I'll send the link
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@@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183 where's that link?
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mN= mili Newton 8:14
Micro would be denoted by the Greek letter "µ"
Mahadev Pande right
So it was milli-newton... not micro-newton. Ha, busted!
Came here just to say that. Thanks
Came here to say the same
he also said mili meter when he had 10^-9 m. that is nano meter 9:18
Well, in the comics, his abilities really do come off more as kinetic/psionic versions of a spider's abilities, as his clinging works all over his body, not just his hands and feet. And his Spider-Sense operates on a truly ESP-like level, allowing him to disarm bombs just by sensing which wire would trigger the bomb, which I think is beyond the abilities of hyper-sensitive touch.
maybe he also has slight ferropathy?
@@LineOfThywhat's that?
@@SW-jj1sw ability to detect metal or metallic or magnetic substances. “Ferro” means iron and “pathy” means mind/feelings
"I have a confession to make"
It's ok. We knew you were the real Thor all along
Reality: paper plane has been thrown.
Spidey sense: TACTICAL NUKE! INCOMING!
Lol 😂
XD
You just made spiderman way cooler.
Ikr
Yes, but the big takeaway I got from it is he made spiders themselves more interesting (and a bit less scary).
Was he not before
@@Kenroy_Tatoute Oh, he was cool AF before, but now...his cool-factor has been increased about a thousand times.
Too bad it's not really how his Spider Sense works.
This video was awesome! I had no idea that spiders were this sensitive. I think we should take a minute to appreciate spiders. 🕷
I agree -- KH
No
i think... maybe FLIES are more sensitives... because you can SMASH (Or SHMASH like safiya) a spider... ¡YOU CAN'T CATCH A FLY! DON'T TRY IT, ¡YOU CAN'T DO IT! *_IS THE TRUE¨, ¡¡ACCEPT IT!!_* xD
¡¡Chaoo!! ;-)
@@guijilope flies just have better reflexes
Even more. You missed out that they use their hairs to fly via electric channels too.
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From what I have seen on this channel, it looks like Spider-Man is also the most plausible superhero.
or Batman, he's just a rich guy trained in over 100 different martial arts
Little bit of genetic editing maybe in a few years
Nar520 he’s not really a superhero, no superpowers. He’s more like a crazy rich guy with ptsd who beats up criminals.
His powers are plausible based on nature but giving those powers to a person is not plausible at all.
yet
Paul Jenkins once wrote in a comic that the Spider-Sense was like looking through individual frames from a video so slow to the point Peter could observe individual pulses of electricity in the lightbulbs of a room. Like he could see the changes in light and dark between each pulse while he was dodging an attack. Absolutely insane
Spider-Man
Spider-Man
Does whatever a spider can
Everything’s going dark
I don’t feel so good Mr.stark
Oh no!
There goes Spider-Man
Wow... What poetry😢
Lmao give this person a medal for the best poetry ever written in history
what a MAD LAD!
Clorax I read that in tune with the song and I’m depressed now
A friend showed me this today,glad to see this here too
I like the hair idea because in Infinity War his hairs alert him to the UFO.
yeah
Spider Sense in the MCU is really inconsistent. He seems to have them in the Russo Films, but it is completely absent in his stand alone films except the end of FAR FROM HOME, which is called peter tingle for some reason
No he had in civil war they just didn't show it and far from home he had it to
@@arycogito Its a nickname. Not officially called that.
@@arycogito as a joke... And he lost it during infinity war, in home coming he sensed a explosion and during civil war he sensed ant man and that car door thrown at him, plus he did say he was being a loner/self made hero for 6 months which meant he good probably still training his spider sense and he did say the (turns out to be camera lenses) helped him focused
I lost it when he cooed off-camera, “Ooh, you’re a big boy!” 😂
Kyle: Gets sponsored by destiny.
Kyle: Makes a video about spider sense.
Listen, as a still somewhat destiny fan, the best way to talk about it is often to just not XD
Kyle: Says Cabal and not Scorn in sponsored section
Destiny Foreskin is gonna be just as bad as destiny 1 lmao
Benzodiazepine lemme tell ya- it’s fuckin great mate
+Seren Soriano I was gonna mention that too lol. But I think he mentions the Cabal for the "new players" since they will most likely be playing through the base campaign first.
Soooooo, would a spider be able to feel a shadow? Like the change in light??
Probably ive killed a spider and before i killed it my shadow was all around it and it stopped moving
It might notice the change in the pressure of the photons
or it could just see that its suddenly darker. they do still have eyes
Yea buy u just dont suddenly stop when it gets all dark and u r still able to see
Yah i was curiouse if the change in pressure of the photons is noticeable, ro a spider
I wonder what it would feel like to shave with that level of sensitivity.
why would you shave, I want to feel my friend waving at me from across the room with my facial hair
Imagine getting tickled. It would become a form of torture.
@@tenacity2633 It's already a form of torture
So here's what should be an obvious follow-up, would you actually want real-life spider senses? My initial thinking would be "oh gods, the sensory input, this is way too much, please make it stop". But that's kind of true for all of our senses now, the brain simply filters and processes data so that it ignores certain types of input and focuses in on others. Would real-life spider senses similarly be capable of honing in on useful sensory input without overloading the system and yet still be useful enough to give us nearly precognitive awareness?
Short answer Yes
long answer: Ask a scientist lol
_SPECTACULAR_ video :)
Loved your video about iroh! Keep it up man. Cheers from Argentina
Thanks for all your support! -- KH
Tough like the marvel heros?
You here ^^
I dunno, I think it's more _amazing_, myself.
I still love coming back to this from time to time to remind myself JUST how awesome spiders are. Thank you Kyle.
Spider-Man video not sponsored by the upcoming Spider-Man game Smh
Terry Lewis agreed very disappointed...
I know, it got upstaged by Destiny!
Ifkr
Sometimes the business stuff doesn't always align with the creative stuff. -- KH
@Because Science yea, but destiny... really?
I'm here early for this video because my Spidey Sense told me Because Science just uploaded.
Seems your Spidey Sense came in handy.
Lol
So your phone vibrated and you sensed it? 🤔
She sense the vibrate before the vibrate happened. She most likely responsed to the movining of the atoms in her phone lol
Destiny is getting desperate
Aren't they
This always seems kind of obvious to me. I knew spiders had amazing senses (though to be fair I didn't know HOW amazing), and the movies and stuff have always shown Peter's hair standing on end when his Spidey Sense is going off the first time or so. It would make sense that Peter's Brain would perceive this much information being processed by his subconscious as almost pre-cognitive. Especially since if the Trichobothria are so sensitive they can pick up disturbances of light, in a way they could "see" all around him. Still can't explain how it works through the suit though, unless they actually come out of the suit like the little grip hairs in the first original movie.
his brain would eventually adjust to the way the suit alters/affects the incoming information no?
yeah
I've been waiting for this episode. The feats and limitations of this power that makes Spider-Man too formidable in a fight. Marvel should consult Because Science for future films.
I agree. @becausescience should be consulted for all future marvel films
Yea.
I know some of the scientists who consult on the Marvel films... -- KH
You should be one of them KH. Also you should run for president.
Not necessarily. Watch Sasuke vs Rock Lee.
So theoretically if Spider-Man were to learn magic and increase his knowledge of the quantum realm, and maybe also get an infinity stone, he could actually perceive the changes in atoms and molecules and learn how to manipulate them.
They did a Cosmic Spider Man in the comics. Check it out.
😮
Fun side note: With his wall-clinging ability, Spidey is able to duck faster than anyone else by holding on to the ground and pulling himself down. Likewise with dodging, as everyone else is limited by how much traction they have. The only ones who could come close are the flyers that use forcefields/levitation/TK to yank themselves around.
I've been waiting for this episode since forever
Profile pic gave it away lol
So, one gripe, you said “the minute disturbances a fly’s wing makes from a few body lengths away.” Aka, the sound. My bosses old lab a few years ago found that specifically jumping spiders, and now probably all spiders, can “hear” from much further than that, like, measured in meters, not centimeters. So, if you scale it up like you do in your example, though I don’t think direct scaling would work, as the hairs don’t get any more sensitive, there’s just more of them, the distance would be ludicrous.
Also, one thing you didn’t mention, Not entirely relevant to spidey sense, but relevant to the ep maybe, specifically jumping spiders have INSANELY good vision, like similar level of detail to a humans vision in front of them, and then still quite good 360 around them. With a brain the size of a poppy seed.
Thinking back to my previous point, even if the hairs are not more sensitive, the immensely larger computing power of the human brain and larger number of hairs could probably mean that Spider-Man would be able to hear better than daredevil, and therefor know whenever anything was going down in all of New York
Perks of spending the last two summers doing research on jumping spiders: I get to maybe be mentioned in a TH-cam vid
Well technically sound works in a similar fashion to hair/touch sensors, just greatly refined.
I appreciate you.
Spiderman is just a better daredevil. Can now confirm.
I think he meant air pressure from the wings.
His hearing would be enhanced most likely given how we receive sound waves and turn them into sound. So all these things combined he could feel the “bass” or disruption of air pressure of something far away and also hear more accurately. Hard to explain but his brain would be combining these senses into what seems like one sense. That and like you said some spiders have great eyesight. That and his reaction time due to all the hairs and nerves would be insane and it would probably make someone think you had precognition.
this guy is such an aura of light and happiness i love it, and him
While Spider-Man has a great Spider Sense he still couldn't see Drax.
Because Drax was standing still.
So still that he seems invisible.
Even though he's eating nuts very slowly
He still might be able to sense his breathing. So he would know someone was around even if drax went invisible
Drax is a master of standing perfectly still.
It also makes sense for Spider-Man to use synthetic web shooters. Spiders have the genetic ability to know the exact chemical code for 1,000s of different web varieties. When he was bitten, Peter gained this knowledge, letting him create synthetic webbing of his own way.
It sounds to me like Peter was already a science wiz but that the radioactive spider enhanced his genius even more.
I noticed one time that our normal human senses sometimes behave at a supernatural way (almost spider sense). When I’m walking on the street and I notice a dog aproaching me barking and growling, I can really feel those chills down my spine and the tingling sensation on the back of my neck as described on the comic book, the hairs of my whole body actually rise (as seen on Tom Hollnd’s Spider-Man) and go back to normal when the danger alert is gone, my body temperature also decreases.
So spider-sense, at least according to you, Mr. Kyle, essentially converts the entirety of Peter Parker's skin into one big hearing organ much like an ear. Depending on how the radioactive spider venom mutated Peter Parker, he could in theory use echolocation, a skill already possible with normal humans as seen mostly developed in blind people. Having Parker his whole skin become one big ear, he could essentially see everything around him at all times leaving no blind spots whatsoever.
Edit: Above covers what the trichobothria sense would do. The Slit Sensilla would imbue Peter Parker with another sense that is similar to how elephants can listen through their feet. I imagine this could be achieved by the mutation Peter would have in his joints. Given how ridiculously sensitive it is already in a spider, Peter's version of the Slit Sensilla sense may not need to be as sensitive. Like elephants, Peter could theoretically sense an earthquake coming.
Well spiderman is able to detect things all around him if u have seen in some shows or the spiderman 1 when he was about to get punched by flash Thompson
Another question would be, does the mutation do anything to the time it takes for the nervous system to transmit information? A spider has a lot shorter distance to transmit then a human.
So basically Peter became Daredevil but with more strength, durability, smartness, and over all hell of a lot more functional physiology than it should be capable in such a small body than him.
A dig it.
Question. Since Peter is so durable that his bones are stronger than steel itself and yet be so light weight (Vibranium like bones now?) and that durability is stretched out across his body.
This should mean Peter's skin is much more durable and therefore thicker, and heavier.
Shouldn't this balance or affect his sensitivity?
Think of it like having near bulletproof skin. Like been almost something like Colossus or Luke Cage.
What effect would this have on Peter? We have seen him been toasted across multiple concrete walls many times already and just go like "This nothin' but a scratch".
Hell. Guy punched hulk hard enough he made him face the opposite way.
*Hhmmm* Also... Shouldn't Peter be so much susceptible to pain then? Having all those nerve endings and stuff across all of his body.
I understand Daredevil does. What about Peter?
I still don't think Peter's Spider Sense works this way anyways. (Krrrhum big symbiote-covered-skin guys, Swinging around that also has this capability kkrrhum)
ZenKai
Yes! This is one of the instances that made me believe that Peter's spider-sense is like echolocation but on a much more subconscious level for Peter.
Thomas Dosman
Unsure if Peter's nerves need to transmit signals much faster but seeing Spider man's ridiculous reaction time, I guess there might be some mutation in Peter's nerves as well. I can't say how this is done though.
So basically Peter became Daredevil but with more strength, durability, smartness, and over all hell of a lot more functional physiology than it should be capable in such a small body than him.
A dig it.
Question. Since Peter is so durable that his bones are stronger than steel itself and yet be so light weight (Vibranium like bones now?) and that durability is stretched out across his body.
This should mean Peter's skin is much more durable and therefore thicker, and heavier.
Shouldn't this balance or affect his sensitivity?
Think of it like having near bulletproof skin. Like been almost something like Colossus or Luke Cage.
What effect would this have on Peter? We have seen him been toasted across multiple concrete walls many times already and just go like "This nothin' but a scratch".
Hell. Guy punched hulk hard enough he made him face the opposite way.
*Hhmmm* Also... Shouldn't Peter be so much susceptible to pain then? Having all those nerve endings and stuff across all of his body.
I understand Daredevil does. What about Peter?
I still don't think Peter's Spider Sense works this way anyways. (Krrrhum big symbiote-covered-skin guys, Swinging around that also has this capability kkrrhum)
Well, after having attached itself to Peter, i am quite sure any symbiote would be able to replicate the biological functions responsible for the Spidey Sense, and given its usefulness, they... Well, they indeed have done it.
You also answer your own question, Peter's bones are stronger than steel *and yet* the same original weight and thickness, the same applies to his skin, stronger but still the original weight and thickness. Furthermore, given his spidey sense being based on his skeleton(as opposed to exoskeleton in spiders) and the hairs on his skin, no change to his skin would actually cause any change to his sensory abilities, also given the perception being on his hairs and not his skin, he would not be any more susceptible to pain on his skin itself.
Although, i imagine putting duct tape on his arm and then ripping it off would be excruciating.
His skin isn't thicker, just more durable.
100% agreed "Hhmmm Also... Shouldn't Peter be so much susceptible to pain then? Having all those nerve endings and stuff across all of his body."
he can also see
Fullest auto
If the nerves worked the same way as in real spiders that level of sensitivity wouldn't relate to his sense of pain at all.
5:15 "Like a turd, in the wind." #WeAreVenom
Well Kyle, let me tell you a story about a similar apparent precognition ability in humans:
After Spider-Man seemingly lost his spider-sense, he acted on the advice of Madame Web and turned to Shang-Chi, the Master of Kung Fu, for help.
After sparring with Shang-Chi, Spider-Man used his new knowledge of martial arts that he gained from Shang-Chi and combined it with the combat training he received from Captain America to create his own fighting style. He called it the "Way of the Spider."
Complimented by his superhuman strength and agility, the Way of the Spider has proved to be an extremely potent fighting style that he was able to use to defeat Spider-Woman in hand-to-hand combat. It should be noted that prior to learning the Way of the Spider, Spider-Man was unable to defeat Spider-Woman.
The eventual return of his spider-sense gave him a tremendous boost to his already-exceptional fighting skills.
This actually mirrors the martial artists training.
They learned how to identify the smallest body motions to figure out how the person is going to act and react, giving credit to the psychic martial arts myth.
In other words, you can develop a spider-sense.
But not with the way of the spider, but with the way of martial arts.
Why?
BECAUSE SCIENCE!
Christian, Sebastiano Baudo you're getting super nerd. Ok calling it now.
Spider 602
I HOPE! :)
It sounds like with enough repetition you can sense what your opponent is going to do almost magically. Lol
YUP! :)
wow 0.o
When I was a child I saw how the other children tortured the spiders. They would take a leg of the spider and pull it off. They did it again, and again until it died. If the spider has more nerves and can even feel a light, then you can just imagine in how much pain that spider was😢
P. S. If there are those who are scared of spiders or have arachnophobia, there is a way to get rid of the spider by not killing it. Just take a glass and some kind of paper. Then trap the spider in the glass and slowly put it on top of the paper, be careful not to pull off the legs (sometimes they get stuck). Then go to the balcony or outside and let it go. If they keep coming back you can try searching ways to repel them.
The problem is the spider will still exist near your home. So that's not a solution. Just give it a quick death.
I let daddy long legs live though, as long as they keep their space.
I just spray them down with something lml almost had a nervous breakdown from it
Naw burn wit faya.
Do you know what a phobia is?
@@andregroo Yes, my aunt has arachnophobia.
This actually also helps explain Spider Man's ability to withstand tons of pain.
Mechanoreceptors relay touch/sensation signals, nociceptors relay pain signals. These two processes both meet at Wide Dynamic Range neurons and send signals to the brain. If the mechanoreceptor signal overpowers the nociceptor signal, then the nociception won't be transmitted to the brain. So it would make sense that if Spider Man is constantly receiving such extreme mechanical stimuli, his ability to receive nociceptive signals would be decreased.
This isn't to say that he would never feel pain because pain and nociception are not the same thing. Pain is much less straightforward than nociception (and we can feel pain without receiving nociceptive input) but I think it does mean that at times when he would be using his spidey sense, he would be desensitized to nociceptive input.
Again, pain and nociception are very complex, nuanced, and still require lots of research, but I think the general idea helps us understand how Spider Man can receive such a beating and still fight.
2:47 Cool. I had the exact same thought.
Spiders are so cool and cute. These spider senses are another reason why the myth of spiders crawling in your mouth at night can't be and isn't true. They are way too sensitive for that to happen. Spiders would feel your heat and breath and everything else of your movements.
To all people with arachnophobia: Don't worry, spiders don't come near you voluntarily. They are too shy and too careful because they don't want to be eaten.
Probably too late for footnotes, again. :(
Kyle, timezones are killing me. Btw love your show, watched all the episodes and you deserve way more subscribers. Really!
Yeah, same here with the footnotes and time zones. Great explanation though!
Some spiders are quite aggressive through. For instance, the redback spider and the funnel web spider. Ever been to australia? ;)
What about Venomous spiders?
You find spiders cute 😨😨
I would love to see a follow up with "Would you really want spider powers?" Or maybe just any one of Spider-Man's powers whether it being spider-sense, wall crawling, or web shooting?
Kyle, just want to say thank you for making all these shows. My kids and I watch you each week and absolutely love the energy, positive attitude, jokes, and fun you bring to each show. The fact that you keep it family friendly, like language and references, matters a ton to this 35 yr old dad of 2.
Thank you
Eli, Eli-Deon, and Annabelle
Hello Kyle.
I've got a question(s): Could the spider that bit Peter Parker really have been radioactive? Is it even remotely possible for such an organism to be made of atoms with unstable nuclei with varying degrees of decay? If it did, would it have lived long enough to deliver that bite to Peter? Wouldn't Peter have suffered from radioactive poisoning or radiation sickness? Is it safe to assume that Horizontal Gene Transfer (HGT) was the mechanism by which Peter got his powers? Could the CRISPR Cas9 system been involved?
Steve Mayor well, not all versions of the Spider that bit Peter are radioactive, in the Ultimate comics, it had an experimental super soldier serum tested on it. Noir, magic Spider God. 2099, genetically altered to try and replicate the original Spider-Man. It varies from each universe.
To add to Ultragodzillafan's String of thought... after a While in 616 there was this kinda Reveal that the spider's Radioactivity isn't even what Made it give him powers, turns out it was actually a Magic Spider Choosing it's avatar, that just Happened to be Radioactive, the Radioactivity Actually causes problems down the line for Peter....
KG Motte I’m pretty sure the Radioactivity gave him powers, it was just destined to bite Peter.
That's why Marvel has retconned his origin story a couple of times, as well as quit a few other heroes and villains. We, the human race, and even comic book writers have learned a lot about radiation and what it really does, as well as genetic engineering and modification since most of these characters were created. (The original explanation for Tony Starks Iron Man armor was the power of transistors) Sometimes they go with a more sciencey explanation and sometimes they double down on the original storyline and just say because I said so.
You may also be interested to know that virtually everything in normal life is sliiightly radioactive.
For example, radioactive Carbon-14 exists in all organic matter
0:43 you mean Peter parkour?
Wouldn't he get overwhelmed with all the sensations he'll be surrounded by seeing the amount of motions and constant chaos around him?
Even normal people with heightened senses feel all the pain that comes with that increases sensitivity, and seeing how Spidey is going through all the things he does, I'm surprised he hasn't gone mental or turned evil yet
I feel like it would be something you'd learn to adapt to and your brain would eventually tune most of it out. Especially in the comic world. It's how Superman deals with his hyper senses.
Hey Kyle, does your office have a heavier O2 content than earths atmosphere? because a giant spider could probably survive in a heavier oxygen environment. the problem with upscaling arachnids and insects is that the trachea would only give oxygen to the places closet to them.
the heavy oxygen environment is likely how insects got so big around 300 million years ago.
you probably knew this because your office filled with giant insects catches on fire a lot...
Watch the size of life by kurzgesagt. oxygen isn't the only factor to consider when talking about the size of living things, surface area to volume ratio is very important when talking about cells.
According to the most realistic theories, giant flying insects were possible because the atmospheric pressure was 4-5x greater at that time. Greater pressure makes trachea breathing more efficient.
At 8:17 you say micro newtons but on the screen you have written mN which is milli newtons. So which one is it?
Hugo Bergengrip this was bothering me too haha
I'd think micro newtons since it's a smaller amount
its probs more likely the illustrators didnt know what symbol to use than him misreading/miswriting the script
Jonathan Odude for micro it’s mew isn’t it?
Venom dosn't set off spider sense because he is "fluid" and dosn't disturb air like other enemies
The explanation in comics is since he bonded with the symbiotic that is venom, it and all of its offspring don’t register as hostile to his body.
@@skritrit28 thank you for that
@Jason Mullings I would direct you to Alpha 25's response to my comment which has what he States is the official answer to the venom aspect
@Jason Mullings And as for your suggestion of Infra sound? The venom symbiotes could vibrate It's body to produce a counter sound much like those used by high tech noise canceling head phones.
@Jason Mullings True, and that is why higher pitches and louder sounds hurt him perhaps? Because infra sound is a lower pitch that human hearing while he is frequently hurt by Ultrasound
Thanks Kyle. This video makes a lot of sense.
I see you everywhere.. Even on SciShow Psych
Booo -- KH
If they show Spiderman's origin in the newer movies, I'm hoping show his transformation after being bit like this:
Super Strength:
He get's a Goku-like appetite and slowly gets buff throughout the course of a week or more, because you can't go from skinny to buff overnight unless you have some sort of nutrient intake or stored like fat. Those superpowered muscles can't be built out of nothing. Meanwhile, people think it could be a normal teenage appetite, but are skeptic on how extreme it is.
Spider Sense:
The heightened senses cause him to act like he has a constant hangover and a little skittish. He's more sensitive to light and sound so he would wear sunglasses all the time and would be affected by any little noise. He would also be pretty jumpy if someone like his friend approached him from behind. Meanwhile, people might assume he's been partying, drinking, and/or taking drugs.
It's a bit different from the other movies and makes at least a bit more sense scientifically.
A bit more "sense." I saw what you did there.
My only problem with spider sense as we know it is that is is portrayed regularly as only picking up dangers, and not other movements within range. I like to imagine a scenario where someone moves in to give Peter Parker a gentle, friendly hug, and he would feel the motions and the hug before it happened, but he's so used to his "spider sense" going off when in danger that the man flinches or freaks out.
Being born half deaf and regaining my full hearing later in life i find it a bit comical how easilly movies brush off the fact that spiderman and other superheros would probaly go insane with the amount of sensory input they suddenly recieve.
When i was around 14y old i was able to wear hearing aids to somewhat mimic fully functional hearing.
This drove me almost to tears, i ripped them off my ears the second i walked on the streets, the wind,cars and mostly people all make so much noice that i could barely handle it.
8 years later and i still find loud noices to be extremly annoying (especially womans high pitch yamming, sorry!) it's not something you just let go off.
I'm taking note of this for future story ideas. Thanks for sharing
Why would it drive you to tears bro? I don't get that 😶😶
if we were to incorporate all real life experience and other stuff a) Spider-Man won't exist
b)it would be a boring story
c)its a comic where physics is constantly defied
d) these movies all so brush off so many other things like how peters spine hasn't broken yet and other stuff
e)it's not real,never claimed to be
and happy to hear about your recovery hope you can have a good life
There have been some shows / movies that have shown this. Yes they did tone it down a bit, but it was there. I did feel that the Daredevil series did pretty decent job with it.
Great... now I have to go home and point a laser at a spider...
Well...fuck.
Why?? I think i missed something in the video
@@cherrydragon3120 they can feel the pressure of the phothons of the laser
Gee... And I was gonna do stuff today...
@@otomafra3533 oh thats cool :o
I feel like having spidy sense would be a double edge sword. On one hand you are constantly aware and in tune with your environment on a sensory level that would make sonar and echolocation mere child's play, but everyday life would be troublesome. For example (if we are going by the science laid out here) Peter would not only have an increase in the number of nerves but how they function. On one hand increasing the amount of nerves alone will cause some issues. To give a conparison a super taster has over 30 papillae on their tongue, a medium taster has 15 - 30 papillae and a non taster has under 15. Because of this, super tasters are more sensitive to certain strong tastes such as bitterness where as a non taster wont have much issues at all. The differences between super tasters and medium/non tasters are not that much but they have significant differences. Same logic would apply with the nervous system on the body. Increasing the amount of nerves by a few could produce significant results. And this has been proven (by most unfortunate circumstances... Thow must say no more ✂🍌)... But results showed that those that "had it" were up 7x less sensitive than those who didn't. And those were a few thousand nerves and the same type one has on their lips and finger tips. Gross brutality aside, his nervous system wouldn't have a few thousand more nerve cells. It would have a few billion more nerve cells which would make him not only sensitive to his surroundings but hed be very susceptible to it. Hed be extremely vulnerable to irritants anything from vineager, to dish soap, to bleach and fiber glass.
Now going to the trigger hairs on that he would have developed that would also prove to be problematic. His spidersense is not a voluntary ability. Just like Wolverines healing, it is passive and therefor cannot be controlled or turned off so it would be constantly active and would constantly fire even at the most minuscule events. Because of this there would be no way to differentiate between a threat and a harmless. His senses can only tell so much. They would only give him general information about imbalances of his area. Not the specifics (in other words he would have the what and where, but not the why). So it would be up to him to determin what that why is.
so, if they go realistic, they should make tom holland looks like chewbacca
Yeah but hair is so small that he doesn't even look like Chewbacca at all
Or at least a tony stark / dr strange goatee
omg lmfao
rahadian panji oki Good thing the spider sense is a magic-based psychic power in canon.
chewbacca having spider sense if amazing
Actually Kyle, Spider-man first came out in Amazing Fantasy #15, which was published in August 1962, not 1963.
Timur Shah Was he referencing a part of his powers not developed until that time?
No, most likely he was referencing Amazing Spider-Man #1 which came out March 1963. OP is correct that spider-sense (along with Spider-Man) was established 1962.
Next going to happen: spider's receptors being so accurate they can even detect gravitational waves
This is amazing! Another reason to love spiders :D
I do struggle to imagine how scientists measured such tiny forces and distances accurately and consistently when doing these experiments, but I'll check out the links.
Is it wrong that I experienced piloerection at this video and Kyle's portmanteau title?
There is the question about signal to noise ratio. As sensitivity increases, the ability to sense minor variations increases but what about background noise. If tricobothria and slit sensilla are basically very^(some really big frickin' number) sensitive variation of touch (using fluid air and atoms and molecules as in Brownian motion) then what about the background "noise" in the fluid. I would compare it to trying hear a whisper during a Norwegian black metal concert or trying to feel someone blowing on your arm during a tornado. Unlike bats that emit characteristic sound (frequency and modulation I think), bird calls that use a pattern of variation in frequency/duration, and mothers that recognise the nuances of their own offspring call (goats and elephants), I am curious about the information contained in what the spider senses (frequency and amplitude of the vibration) and whether the size, shape, speed, or material composition can be discerned. A m^3 of styrofoam and a m^3 of steel would displace identical volumes of air when thrown at the same velocity but I would not be too concerned with getting hit in the face by the styrofoam.
As an aside, my friend Luke's girlfriend's parents are deaf and have "unique" tastes in music because it is a tactile experience for them. And I remember the animal communication stuff from reading "Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel" by Carl Safina. Adam Savage recommended it in one of his podcasts.
Maybe they could combine the sensations of multiple hairs to cancel out the noise?
So. Tactile hairs are sensitive to touch
Trichbothria are sensitive to air flow
Slit sensila are sensitive to vibrations in the ground
I... I just enjoy learning from you.
Your passion makes me more attentive. This was an amazing episode.
4:44
So if i was spiderman, I'd not only be able to hear my roommate snore, I'd be able to *feel* it too?
Eww
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-Alright alright Johnny I’m sorry.....
Wait... wtf do u mean u fEeL it???
I feel you, my wife snores like a freight train, and it took 5 years to learn to tune it out..... mostly.
This is one of my favorite episodes of Because Science. Spiders fine tuned senses have blown away my brain to Jupiter and back.
Problem with this : If it's that sensitive to movement-- just imagine what it feels like to get hurt. It would be agonizing.
I don't think it's like that. At least as a example, dogs obviously can hear very good, but they have no problems living for example in a loud town. So I would be surprised if spiders would feel everything 1000 times harder.
Also, spiders don't have pain receptors (and even if they did, they could easily have a vastly different sensitivity) so they actually probably feel a lot less pain than humans with the same impact, if any at all.
Not to make it weird but this (to varying degrees) is why erogenous zones work the way they do. They aren't reading hair movement, but they ARE reading pressure on the skin, relating this to the CNS, and passing it further. This allowed the body to identify the zone in which the body is both comfortable and aroused. There is a zone for that, and it is VERY much individual to the person.
Imagine suddenly getting those super senses and then having to adapt to all the extra sensory information. You would be easily startled, overwhelmed and incredibly ADD for a while: you could feel everyone's footsteps, feel the breeze as they moved, and if someone brushed past you in a hallway, you would feel it exponentially more. I can imagine that the "Spider Sense" would take some getting used to while Peter learned to ignore all the extraneous information.
This was truly an awesome and informative video. I had no idea just how cool spiders were. That said, I cannot imagine the amount of sense noise that Peter Parker would be taking in every moment of every day. Maybe it is answered by spiders once again, but how the hell would spiders (or Peter Parker) even sleep, better yet function day to day, without wanting to tremble and jump every second of their life? I picture the same thing as background stories for DareDevil and other super-sense heroes as they deal with all the information coming in and having to learn to cope.
Side note: That makes me realize that I would LOVE to see a Spiderman origin movie where he is literally suffering from his new senses while he learns to control them.
Because Spiderman's Spider Senses would be biological organs... that means THEY WOULDN'T HELP HIM IN VIDEOGAMES!!!!
This is actually really cool because Peter Parker wouldn't have any sort of superhuman advantage in videogames, he could play any sort of Online or Singleplayer games without feeling too bored! Sure he has superior reflexes, but a lot of those abilities can be explained by his Spider Sense, Videogames are purely visual and auditory, meaning that all of his Spider Sense Organs wouldn't be useful while playing! Other than being unusually fast, he could be just a normal gamer, which fits Peter's personality really well!
so if peter parker were to play an actual video game - he would probably be average then :T
i wonder what video game he would play tho
Except he'd be able to feel the electricity of the controller and game system and eventually be able to respond accordingly. Even if he played online there would be the possibility of him reacting to the wireless data transfer (which is also energy) in addition to the system. So the only things that would be able to beat him would be lag, hax, and eventual banishment from most game servers.
Yes because that's what is inportant
Wouldn't his reaction time be a lot better than a normal person times a million.
But if he can literally feel light,such as from the bright screen of an electronic,it might help him if he senses the changes
I'm seeing in the comments that people are equating nerves to pain, and since spiders apparently have many thousands of more nerves per square centimeter than a human, they must be extremely sensitive to the sensation of pain.
This has been an ongoing and hotly debated topic in entomology.
In the human world, pain acts as kind of a warning that something about our bodies needs to be addressed and requires intervention. I'd think we're MORE sensitive to pain than spiders because (for example) we have less limbs that can't regrow and damage to any of them could jeopardize our survival. When we break a leg, our bodies react with severe pain because we only have two and fixing the broken leg requires our intervention.
For a spider though, the sensation of pain should be much different. Not only do they have four times as many legs, but their bodies can fix broken ones and even regrow them! So the need for pain isn't as necessary. Their bodies do not require intervention and have evolved to deal with injuries and lost limbs naturally. Therefore, spiders have evolved a much greater propensity to sense other things to help it survive - not so much pain (at least in the sense of broken/lost limbs).
huh, Infinity War was correct:Exhibit A:almost the very first scene with Spiderman in it
I came on here to issue a nerdrection (Nerd-correction?) about using outliers as representatives for a cohort and how that can lead to mis-representation of a group and poor generalization. But, I think my assumptions may have been off. When I first heard your figures, I assumed you were taking extreme examples of spider perceptions from research *from across a large number of species*.
This is something I see often in fiction that irks me; where you have a guy who is called "Snake man", after being bitten by a radioactive garter snake he gains: the fangs of a Gaboon pit viper, the venom of an inland tipan, the swallowing capacity of a reticulated python and the musculature of a green anaconda, with NO actual discussion on the page of any of those species. We are just to assume that "snakes" come with all of those traits baked in.
And so here I was to nerdily rebuke your use of a variety of spiders to upgrade our Peter Parker with scientifically accurate spidey sense (awesome!), but from what I can see through my own lit review it appears most of your figures come from research done on cupiennius salei (Wandering Spider) which is the "white lab rat" of spider research. In which case, your generalizability to run of the mill spiders should be pretty darn good (entymologists feel free to correct me).
Anyway, if this is correct, then I retract my correction! Nerd on Kyle!
Nature never ceases to amaze me. After becoming a bit of an ant-lover after both the antman movies and a video game in which you control a small ant colony (which tbh is set in pretty realistic environments), I'm now starting to love spiders.
Wow, what an amazing episode. I never knew spiders were so cool. I bet you had loads of fun making this one.
So if you do a silent fart. THEY KNOOOOW XD
Oh god that would be horrible. Imagine having spider sense and thermal vision and seeing and FEELING your crush fart, 🤢🤢why did i even think of that?
@@AlexandrBorschchev bro fr. u would never forigive it
@@AlexandrBorschchev lmaooooo it would feel like violating someone’s privacy when it’s just your senses doing their job
@@AlexandrBorschchev 😂
A couple of problems i would see with just up-scaling a spiders sensory system to human size, adapting it to human physiology and our environment:
1. Effective range
The effective range of the spider senses (tactile hair or trichobothria) wouldn't scale linear to the mass increase of the user, but even sink, because the sensitivity would be roughly reciprocal to the mass increase of the sensory hair (double the mass, double the energy need for activation), though the directional accuracy should slightly improve (bigger detector). Detecting a bullet mid-flight and reacting to it fast enough should be near impossible, because of its high velocity and small cross section.
The increased size would also limit the sensitivity of the slit sensilla (roughly reciprocal to the increase in length of the leg-segment)
2. No exoskeleton
The fact the we are not clad in an exoskeleton would, in my opinion, pose other problems with the detection sensibility. Our connective tissue, sinews, muscles and bones function far better as a shock absorber than an exoskeleton would and will significantly lessen any forces transferred and therefore would up the minimum forces needed to trigger the activation of slit sensilla.
3. Changes to your nervous system.
Having that high a density of receptors covering our skin would probably require several hundred times the amount of sensory nerve fibers than we currently have, which would make it quite difficult to fit inside inside our spine.
4. Wearing a full-body suit.
The obvious problem is that you cover your sensory array with a material that shields it from its form of input (in this instance probably even triggering just about every single one, bent by the fabric, but at least significantly lowering the sensibility)
Even if we were to disregard the self-imposed sensory deprivation induced by covering your sensory organ with a layer of fabric, i still see another, possibly more pressing problem with the suit. By covering your whole body with an elastic fabric you more or less link every tactile hair or trichobothria with each other, creating a net that reacts to every motion you make by triggering about every sensory receptor covered by the suit. Even something as insignificant as flexing your muscle or shifting your weight a small fraction, would potentially drown any life-saving information out.
Though we would have similar problems every time we move, because every change in motion or direction would accelerate the sensory hairs and possibly trigger them.
5. Effectiveness inside the city
All the different sound and shock waves generated in the city, travelling through air and concrete should make it quite difficult to take up on the often smaller stimuli which would be generated by the possible threat.
Nonetheless was this episode once again quite enjoyable!
Great video. Though kinda strange to see this particular topic sponsored by Destiny 2 and not the Spiderman game thats releasing tonight. lol
Just imagine Teen Spidey sitting down in his class and suddenly he felt a *thrust* of vibration coming from that one weird in the corner of the class.
Spiders have sensitive hairs that can sense slight motion so Peter wouldn’t only sense enemies he would sense EVERYTHING
Great video, Kyle!
Wouldn't Spidey's web fluid be cold since it's adiabatically expanding once released from the pressurized web cartridge? I always imagined it'd be similar to silly string.
Do you think it'd be warm because it's also expanding like a spray foam? I'm sure I've heard webhead mention that the fluid expands dramatically once it hits air...
The chemical reactions between the chemicals in spray foam that cause it to actually become a foam are exothermic; it gives off heat as the reactions progress. I haven't been able to find a source for whether spider silk's reactions are exothermic or endothermic, but it seems that Kyle is arguing the former. I think adiabatic processes are more in play for gases than liquids (or whatever spider silk is classified as).
Is it possible that he is implying that he was hit with an actual spider's launched webbing fresh from whatever organ the spider uses?
As much as I love the Raimi Spidey Sense, I think that if it had included the hair response from Infinity War it would have been the perfect Spidey Sense.
Spiders also have an additional sense (or at least the way their brain is weird, idk the exact details.)
But basically, with all their CRAZY senses, you would think they are constantly being overwhelmed by sensations, but... Nope. They can feel a butterfly fart across the world basically means they feel everything, always, but their senses only actually consciously pick up on something if they want it to, or if it's relevant to them. So even with 3 different layers of crazy touch sensitive organs, they don't go crazy, and are able to respond to information that's actually relevant.
So in theory spiderman could feel the vulture flying towards him blocking the Sunlight, right ?
Yep.
To be fair, any human aware of their surroundings would be able to tell when the Vulture blocks the sun. However, unlike normal humans, Spidey would be able to tell that with a much smaller shadow cast on him from a Vulture much further away.
@@BFCrusader or with his eyes closed and/or dimmer light conditions.
“Oooooh~ you’re a big boy~” well now 😂
What
Not only can spiders detect the slight movements of fluids, the ground they stand on and the incredibly minute pressure on their hairs, but there have been studies done on ballooning spiders (you covered this a bit in a previous video) that allows them to detect slight changes in atmospheric static charge. If the atmosphere is positive enough that day and there isn't much wind, then and only then will they take flight.
This is so cool! I had already thought Spiderman was really incredible, but knowing all this now, HE'S TEN TIMES MORE AMAZING!!!!!!
If this is how a spider sense works, then I'm a bit confused how characters like Venom and Carnage are able to remain undetected by it
I’ve got one for you. When I was at university we did a study on if it’s possible for the body to make synthetic web strands. And surprisingly it was. Not in the way Spider-man can in the comics but a very thin visible stand was able to be made from the plasma found in blood.
I’ll explain.
Say you have a small blister or in the studies case a skin reaction that can leave your hands with tiny heat bumps that have blister like fluid.
We managed to pull a stand of the fluid and suspend it in the air and it dried just like spider silk!!
You now realize you need to do a 'why you wouldn't actually want Spidey sense' video, right?
Hey Kyle
So if we had spider senses, we'd probably be naked. Clothes would set off the sensors constantly and unless we learned to ignore it, it would make the sense completely useless. Even if we learned to ignore the trigger from clothing it would lessen the effectiveness of the sense.
Since spiderman is completely covered in a suit, his senses would be constantly overloaded unless like you suggested he found a workaround that let the hairs through or put the hairs on the suit, the latter which doesn't seem canon to spiderman.
Thanks!
Mike
Maybe he wears the suit for the same reason he told Tony Stark he wore the goggles: He gets overstimulated. The light bothers his eyes, so all that movement might be too much touching for him?
But we already have spider senses, albeit to a smaller extent. That's what tactile sensory is.
Wouldn't it be like our other senses? Like when you get used to a smell, you can't smell it as much but if a new smell is introduced then your sense of smell gets triggered again. So if you're feeling the same vibrations or whatever, that sensation would dull but once a new vibration is introduced, it becomes more noticeable.
@@jakesimm5889 well maybe, but I dont know if we'd be able to ignore things if we were as sensitive as described.
Clothes wouldn't even be the problem he would feel the air move when he walks or breaths or the vibrations of the constant mini earthquakes happening in the world
Technically speaking, his regular suit is light material. He had stated before that when he wears it, it feels like he's wearing nothing. So i believe that his tactile hair would work if the suit is light material, if he could feel the wind through his suit then I'm confident that his mutated hairs would still work through making his spider sense still as effective as it is
2:18 theirs a shadow on you're arm i thought you edited everything in
Thanks for the video, I am a big Spiderman fan and this video gives me more respect for spiderman's powers.
I wish I had spiderman's powers even if physics and science would probably beg to differ, for as your other videos said super strenght could be a gift but also a curse. Spectacular video, also amazing.
Maybe Peter (or Tony Stark in the MCU) could build a neural amplifier under the suit that can enhance a little bit the Spider sense so Peter could feel it as he doesn't have the suit on. The problem would be adapting this in the Iron Spider suit, although in the MCU it's made with nanotech, but still it's made of metal, and would be difficult to conduct the nerve impulses of the Spider sense accurately
Great work! I've just watched Spider-Man Homecoming...again...and this is a good cuestion 😄.
Thanks for explaining spider sense. I also always thought it was just something totally made up.
!? Why... Do you not understand that all man does is a procession of sequential emergence, which is why correlations are perceivable at every level of man's activity.
There isn't a thing that is "totally made up."
This is because people are inspired by other things and other people, also; cognitive redundancy makes us all have strikingly similar realizations~connections in the most abstract of abstractions.-It's all just math...
@@linyenchin6773 interesting
Also it was made up, It was made up of Atoms... sorry for the bad pun but it was made up... by Stan Lee
It's ok, I made up my mind to accept the pun-ishment for attempted elucidation on my world view....
Spiderman could not feel a bullet approaching because of its atmospheric disturbances. Bullets travel at speeds exceeding the speed of sound, thus the pressure wave the bullet creates could not extend past the tip of the bullet ( which creates a mach cone, suepersonic bang etc.)
Hold me, and then just touch me, so I can get my, spidy senses.