Everything was a LIE!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- This week I found out some very disturbing information about Black Jack's past. I'm really upset in this video, so please excuse the fast talking and rambling. As a novice horse owner, I knew that I should never buy a horse from an auction. That's why I took the advice from someone I trusted when buying my first horse. And now I know that everything he told me was a LIE!
When buying a horse always request a vetcheck before buying!!!!🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴
I did. His issues just didn't show up on the PPE.
Even with the prepurchase exam, you don't know what the horse truly knows, plus some medical issues...😢
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Was he ever checked for ulcers/infection? This condition can make riding, even bareback, painful for a horse.
Great advice, but gets real expensive real quick if you're looking at several candidates...
Even with a vetcheck many issues are not discovered
until later.
Always report any form of abuse.
SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE.
Protect the animals.
Please trust that I am not taking this lightly.
Sadly, animal welfare laws are very lax. As long as he had food, water and shelter, that is all that is required in the majority of states. They can even stand in a foot of manure, but if they have those three things, there isn't a lot that can be done on a law enforcement level.
@@farmgirlrebel1333
Fight to change the animal laws.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
I'm so sorry this happened to you! But sadly, horses do get sick or injured & most of us know & accept it as part of owning them... It just sucks that he took advantage of you and you haven't even had the pleasure of riding and enjoying him yet! I hope you talk to people at other stables to get several recommendations for good local trainers that you can observe with different horses to see if they are kind, competent, and gently but firmly & respectfully handle horses. Then, hopefully the trainer you choose can come out or you may need to trailer Blackjack to their stable for an evaluation and help to decide if you can ride and keep him or if he needs a more experienced rider. Depends on his training and temperament... Hopefully, you'll be able to ride & take lessons on BJ! Even if you have to spend some more money having the trainer give BJ a refresher course for a month or 3... He's a very handsome boy and seems sweet when he looks to you for attention. It's important when working with horses, to be calm. centered and focused on him. Take deep belly breaths in thru your nose, hold for 8 count & slowly blow it out thru your mouth. like blowing out candles. Repeat 3-5 times, as needed. Horses can feel our emotions & intentions. If you are frustrated or frazzled, don't work him anymore. Put him up and walk away... Don't take it personally, he may think on the lesson overnite & do it perfectly the bext day! 😅 Start with short 15 minute sessions to see how fast he learns or if he is stubborn and a lot of patience is necessary. Build up as slowly. but don't exceed an hour at most ever.Always end on a positive note, doing something right that he already knows or if he finally gives you the right response to a cue you've been working on!😊 Pet and praise him! Yay! 👏🏻 🤗😘
A side note: I hope you built him up to grazing slowly as grass or any food change can cause colic. Sounds like you already had an experience with it. your best bet is to research. study and absorb as much knowledge about horse care first and foremost. Theres a lot to it & it keeps it interesting, but it's also a matter of life & death. as something as simple as colic can kill them... So slow transitions with food or a strange environment are best. Spend your spare time, getting to know each other. Groom him, will he pick up his feet for you so you can clean them & inspect for injuries, abscesses, fungus or stones, brush his mane and tail, standing close and to the side..Always watch for his reactions & for things that might spook him and get you hurt...
Make sure he is respectful of your space and isn't crowding or bumping you. Brush his face. gently touch, rub and brush his ears. Make sure he isn't head shy or pulling away. Watch and learn from mam videos! Ryan Rose, Tristan Tucker of TRT are very good at groundwork and explaining why they're doing it and why the horse is reacting to it a certain way. Steve Young works with problem, troubled horses, so. if you hit a snag. he might show you how to fix an extreme issue. but a professional would be best to handle him as long as they're not abusive.
I'm surprised the vet isn't having you wrap the tendon for support. Did he recommend liniment or warm water soaks in a bucket with Epsom salts or something else to encourage blood flow? Take heart, tendons should heal unless it was badly torn...
Then he may only be able to do very light walking work. I hope you'll show us a close up of his jnjured leg, & any treatments you're doing for it. Even grooming and walking him is interesting!
As soon as he can move without pain. back and sideways, have a trainer or some of the horse ladies come do groundwork with him. Watch Ryan Rose and have them imitate his training lessons. You may want to subscribe to his Patreon page to get the full stories and all the training details He's very, very good with horses, patient & methodical, which is key. He understands them, mentally emotionally and how they'll react physically. too.
If you are coordinated and have quick reflexes, maybe you can try some of the groundwork too? Wear boots and jeans for protection, maybe even a helmetfor safety, in case he swings his head or gives you a full body blow, whirling around! Since we don't know his behavior at all yet, really.,.. I hope he's a good guy and works out for you!🙏🏻🤲🏻 🕊
Best of Luck! 🥰🤗😘
@@calista1280 LOVE Ryan Rose's videos!
I was scammed too with my first horse, who wasn't the beginners horse I was looking for back then, either. She's still with me and I love her with all my heart.
Well that’s encouraging! Thank you!
Don't give up on Black Jack. He seems very comfortable with you. Don't be afraid of him. He looks like he would be a great ride.
We're pretty good friends at this point! :)
He's lame apparently
I agree he’s going to be a great horse. He just needs love guidance and time. ♥️ enjoy
This horse is very lucky to have you and you’re actually lucky to have him. You will learn SO much from this whole situation. He looks like a happy horse with you and doesn’t want you out of his sight ❤❤❤
Thank you! I'm definitely trying to think of this as a learning experience. He's SO DARNED happy now! And I'm glad I was able to do that for him.
That poor baby.
Your experience is shared by just about every horse owner. Even experienced horse people get fooled now and then. But, fortunately, Black Jack, despite his troubles, is a good horse for a beginner. He’s quiet, doesn’t fuss when tied up, lets you work around him brushing and cleaning his feet, and it sounds like he has been cooperative when being examined by the vet. He trailers and is good with the farrier. I believe he is a trained horse, and I still believe he will become sound enough for pleasure riding. It is just going to take time. Bucking under saddle always has a reason, pain being highest on the list from poor fitting saddles which are often placed right on top of their shoulder blades, to pinching girths and crooked riders. Then there is kissing spine, displaced vertebrae, lack of muscle. People who lie about the horse they are trying to sell typically do not even consider the horse’s comfort, and then wonder why the horse acts out. You are wise to have an experienced rider check him out first, but from what I have seen of him, I think he will be a great horse once he is sound enough to ride.
Thank you! I think Black Jack's personality and demeanor makes him a great first horse, for one that can't be ridden. I totally lucked out on this sweet boy in that way!
Absolutely correct post. We have all been taken at one time or another. I solved that by buying yearlings and training myself. Now too old, and don't trust anyone, so not sure if I will keep riding.
And Blackjack likes and trusts you
Ya you have alot of good advice there. Hopefully she'll be riding him soon. What a horrible man and irresponsible man to sell her a horse who had problems.
Absolute facts. You've touched on almost every single important bit of info a new owner should know. I've no doubt with work this boy will be fine if he's able to stay sound.
I have a similar story with my first horse Scooby. He’s my heart and soul - and he was sold to me with a stifle issue that makes him unrideable. I had a PPE and a “trainer” who didn’t know what she was doing. I was the fourth person to own Scooby in a year. I have no idea what his situation was before me…or where he might’ve ended up without me. It took me MONTHS to get over my dreams for him. Now I focus on how happy I am to be a horse owner and all the honest friends I’ve made along the way. I hope you and Blackjack are able to continue growing your partnership! He’s lucky that you found him.
Awwww! Sounds like Scooby is a lucky boy too! So glad you kept him and didn't push him along like all the others. And I totally get what you mean by getting over your dreams for him. That's where I'm at right now (which I'm sure is terribly obvious.)
I am very glad you are posting these videos because it may open someone else's eyes about the disgusting trickery of some people in the horse industry.
But also, I am glad that Black Jack ended up with you instead of continuing a miserable existence for years inside a stall.
He's such a happy boy now! Once we get a better idea of his prognosis and continuing treatment, I want to move him to full time pasture boarding. I think he'd be happiest outside full time.
This is a common problem in the horse trade. I’m very sorry you have been treated like this. I’m in north Texas and was a horse trainer for many years and am happy to help you whenever you decide to pursue purchasing a new horse. Or anything you have questions about. I’m partially disabled now and have free time. Happy to help anyone who has your commitment to being a responsible horse owner. I truly hope y’all come through this and he can get sound.
THANK YOU!! When I get to the point where I'm ready to start looking, I'll keep this in mind!
Bless you for your kind offer ❤
It’s nice to hear from an honest horse person in the end, I think people would go much further being honest with people. People would grow to trust you and referrals would be off the wall. Nothing like a good reputation in a less than honest profession to move you to the top of the game. Why don’t people see this? ❤
If you don't mind, i have a couple questions...
Lesson horses often come from diverse backgrounds and are ridden by students who would not be consistent in their riding techniques (including doing a lot of wrong behaviors).
1) how do trainers ensure that those horses' training and responses remain good and reliable?
2) How "easy" should a horse be to ride for beginners? How normal is it that new students would need to exert a lot of control and do a lot of kicking as they are just trying to learn how to sit, steer, and trot a horse?
What is considered normal?
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
I love that Black Jack found a soft landing. He looks quite happy in your pasture! You're an angel 😇
Thank you! He's definitely a much happier boy now!
You have saved Black Jack from a fate worse than death... and he will always be your baby...slowly slowly he will prove his worth to you x
Thank you. I appreciate the reminder of patience!
He certainly is beautiful…hope everything works out for you and Blackjack.
Thank you! I think he's beautiful too!
He will heal emotionally. Give him love, treats, groom him. You have done an amazing thing for this gorgeous boy.
Once he feels completely comfortable with you. He will do anything you ask of him.
If his lameness heals you can do the rest. ❤
You know, I love how you suggested to let him heal emotionally. I hadn't stopped to think of the impact of all this abuse/neglect would have on him emotionally. I mean, it makes all the sense in the world, but I just hadn't thought of him needing to heal from it. Thank you for that reminder.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Great comment above. If you haven't already found her, look up The Clever Cowgirl. She is a horse rehabber who often purchases from auctions. She gives the horses time to heal on all levels and now has a few that will be with her permanently because of their very sad backstories. I'm sorry for your experience but happy Black Jack has you now.
Don’t beat yourself up. We have all learned the hard way. Look at the knowledge you are gaining. As a horse owner, I’m fascinated with your journey. I am so sorry you are going through this. Black Jack is lucky. I rescued an “untrainable” horse. I ride him every day. He was kept in a
I hit send on an oops. My boy was never socialized to horses or humans. He was kept alone in a stud pen. It took years but I ride him almost everyday. We are so bonded. He is beautiful, athletic and sweet. He is lowest on the pecking order with my other horses. Yet, he could whoop them all. He was separated from all horses young. Social isolation from other horses is cruel.
Wow! I'm sorry your horse went through that. So sad to be kept all alone. I'm glad he has you and is getting on well with our other horses!!
I am sorry for what you are going through. My first horse was a foundered horse, the owners lied as well. I don’t know what it is about the horse world that this is so common. You should not fell embarrassed at all. You should be proud of the way you take care of Black Jack and your attitude about keeping him no matter what. You are an exceptional horse owner! I hope things go well at your next vet visit.
@@louise7429 Thank you so much for those kind words. They do help as it's been a rough few days. The comments on this video are going a long way to restoring my faith in humanity!
@@louise7429 There are people like this in all walks of life. I'm sure you've heard of the "used car salesman" just another type of person who will sell a gullible person something totally useless/broken/sick/etc for a profit.
I have friends who have had similar experiences. It’s really hard to trust anybody nowadays. Horse dealers are some of the worst. He’s absolutely beautiful. I hope you can find someone to work with him.
Thank you!!!
You are sooooo not alone. I’ve been down the same path. People suck - I literally lost my faith in mankind for a while. Good on you (and me too) for taking responsibility for your boy and giving him his best life despite how he was acquired. My boy Trooper is now 100% pasture pet and I love him dearly. It’s taken me 2 1/2 years to find my next horse and I brought him home last week. My 2 boys - Trooper and now Cisco - bonded immediately (thank heavens) and I now have a sound horse to ride and enjoy for as long as I can.
Do your homework (Samantha Harvey - Alternative Horsemanship - has a video explaining what to look for and what to consider when buying a horse. I took 6 pages of handwritten notes from her video - super helpful) BUT even armed with all this info - when buying a horse there are no guarantees … they could blow a tendon stepping off the trailer!
Anyway - good luck 🍀 & don’t give up !
Oh wow! That's so inspiring! And I'm so glad to hear that you're keeping Trooper and he's got a great new mate. Thank you for the recommendation too. I'm looking for that video now!
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
Contact Samantha via her website … she also does remote horse coaching. If I remember correctly, I ‘rented’ the video for a week - well worth the price. Best wishes on your search. 🌺
Black Jack is a beautiful boy and I'm so glad you have him. I'm 77 and no longer have horses but have always loved them since I was a little girl. My first experience was when my parents bought me a pony who was five years old I was six at the time. I had her until she died. I've had many horses over the years and never mistreated them . I have many experiences with them and worked at a few stables over the years. If they were mistreated I wouldn't stay. Most people are kind to their horses but there some should never,never come near a horse.if that is the case they most often are not nice people anyway!
You're so lucky that you got to start with horses at such a young age. I would have loved that as a child, and it would have been a totally different life for me. I 100% agree with you that if people aren't kind to their horses, they are not nice people anyway!!
All I can say is I am soooo glad you are his mama now...regardless of all his issues....
He's such a sweet boy! I can't say I'm sad that I have him!
Thank you!!
The previous barn buys auction horses for lessons, don't provide drinkable water in their pastures & sell lame horses (they don't know) to beginner clients. Wow😮
It's really something, isn't it???
It disgusts me to no end! I would warn people about that barn.
Poor Black Jack! People sure can suck!
It's amazing, isn't it!
The whole way through this video all I could think was "you're such a good owner already". It's awful and I am so sorry that you were lied to, but your determination to give him a good life no matter what he ends up being or doing is the mark of a great owner who truly cares about their horse. I hope he has a speedy recovery, and that you two have many happy years together to come ❤
Thank you! I’m really trying to do right by him.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Darf er bleiben? Black Jack ist zu Dir gekommen, weil es richtig ist. Er ist ein tolles Pferd.
Und ich liebe Deine Einstellung, sehr sympathisch. Abo und herzliche Grüße aus Deutschland, ich habe Dir echt gerne zugehört!
Every horse owner I know has gone thru this. Our first girl died six weeks after we bought her… heart attack. Second was a crypto, not disclosed and very mare aggressive. Third I just kept because I love him, not sure I’ll get to ever ride him because undisclosed he was a bucking stock that hurt his front hooves too bad to continue. But we are working on it. Fourth had kissing spines too severely to be ridden.Mind you these horses were bought for children by people we trusted. All that said, some of the worst people are in the equestrian community. But some of the very best are too. ❤
Oh wow! What a crazy story! I'm sorry you went through all that! I have found some very great horse people, so that's blessing!
And sometimes the only way to find out which side of the community a person is on is to purchase something from them...
Sadly, horse people often can’t be trusted. It makes us all look bad unfortunately 😢 Like you said, imagine if you took him out on the trails and you were seriously injured. It’s just wrong and I don’t know how people sleep at night.
I don't know how they sleep either. I just don't get it...
exactly! been riding since age 4. first horse at the age 12 was a 2 yr old unbroke paint filly. I will not work in the horse 'industry' because there are 2 types of horse people: those that see the horse as a tool and the 2nd type that want to slap the 1st type!
Well said!
I too get SO ANGRY !; @&%🤬 ; when people cheat beginners, like this.
I don't understand how they can "sleep at night," knowing they've sold a lame and sick horse to a beginner.
Like others here are saying... IT CAN COST A PERSON THEIR LIVE !!
😥
@@stephaniedavis7033 started riding at age 7, with a paint pony gelding that seller showed to my dad, with younger kids all around. That pony allowed us kids to walk underneath his belly, and all around his legs. Got him home, you couldn’t go near him, without him charging, ears flattened, and full blown feet flying, mouth open to bite. We finally got him loaded into a trailer, don’t know who my dad sold him to. My next horse was part welsh pony. We developed such a close relationship, she followed me everywhere, like a dog, but no lead, no halter etc. She lived to 22 y.old on our farm, in large pastures, with other horses. I can no longer ride, 70 y old with 2 back surgeries. Dr has said if I can guarantee horse will only walk, not spook, I could ride. Otherwise, I could be permanently paralyzed. Since I know you can never guarantee that, I get my “horse” fill by going to stables, and interacting on ground with them. Love them always❤
"Sadly, [SOME] horse people often can’t be trusted. There. Fixed it for ya.
Why wouldn't you call out the barn publicly? You could be saving someone else from this very same fate. I assume people from the barn have seen the videos of Blackjack? Has anyone else commented from the old barn? As someone who has always wanted a horse, your story breaks my heart. I am subscribed. Please get another horse so at least you can ride. This is a cautionary tale for me for sure. Thank you for vlogging your journey.
People are extremely litigious in these times.
Exactly
I'm not sure if anyone who works at the barn has seen his videos, but I wouldn't be surprised. Please use my story as a learning experience when you get a horse! At least then I'm helping someone. :)
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Beautiful attitude!
You can of course be sued, but it is in no way illegal to tell the truth about these people. Being sued is not the same as being convicted, & if you have evidence (& they have none---where's that bill of sale from the "cowboy?" Can they produce any kids who had lessons on him?) chances are they wouldn't sue b/c they know & a lawyer would know they don't have a case. People do this b/c they get away with it, but I understand just wanting to put the unpleasantness behind, take care of B.J., and move forward. Next time, though, do bring a vet & a trainer out to take a look at any horse in which you are interested.
I am so sorry that this happened to you. We have all had bad experiences buying or selling-it pays to be careful and do not trust what is being said. He sure is pretty and maybe, just maybe, the tendon will heal well and he can be used for quiet rides either on the trail or in the pasture. I want to add something...ALL horses buck. ALL horses spook. You will not ever find a perfectly bombproof horse and it is important to approach every potential sale with that knowledge. Once you have a horse, then you start work on training. The purchase price is just the beginning. Good luck to Black Jack and you. This will be okay and you may ride him in the future or find another suitable horse for yourself.
Such a kind response. Thank you! I certainly don't blame Jack for bucking... poor boy! And you're right, I should expect a bombproof horse or a horse that spook. If someone tries to tell me that again... well, let's just say it's on my walk-away list.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
I have come to believe; in reading many of these post and your responses to them, that you, my dear are grittier than people give you credit for. You go girl!! This is YOUR path, your writing YOUR history with BJ. No one else.
My heart goes out to you both ❤ with horses we really open ourselves up to both love & vulnerability in a big way... and we learn....
I wanna say this is all happening for a reason...you & Blackjack are on a special journey Dawn, thank you for sharing it with us :)))
What a sweet comment; it really makes me feel better. Thank you!
Agreed
I would 💯 call out the seller for this. It sucks that you were taken such advantage of. I feel very lucky to have had references on my horse from people I trusted in the rescue world.
I'm not planning on letting the seller off on this one, which is all I feel comfortable saying at this point.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I definitely understand that. But when the time comes, kick @$$
@@cmoorewv Guaranteed!
The fact that other people at that facility loved him and saw the good in him speaks volumes to the potential he may have. Horses have a huge capacity to respond to love and care. Hopefully he heals and with some gentle training or retraining and trust building you end up with a good kind responsible equine partner. Patience will be the key here. He is a beautiful boy. Speaking to trusting people overall but especially in the horse world good luck. I, like you decided to make my dream com true and get back into horses after 30 some years (definitely consider myself a novice) and purchased a horse. I was lucky enough to have a lady with me to help me assess and decide (she knew more about horses than most vets) and I have had myself a steady loveable beautiful Morgan gelding for 17 years now. We are growing old together. I wish you lots of luck with Black Jack and am so delighted to hear you will be keeping him no matter what. Don’t be jaded take this as a lesson learned and trust your instincts (you are building horse sense). You will learn much from Black Jack. Horses are exceptional teachers. This is the journey your were meant to take so have fun and happy trails.
Thank you for such a wonderful comment! Morgans are so beautiful!
That is a beautiful interpretation of this situation❤
I have learned the hard way never to trust anyone selling you something...never take their word for it especially for large amounts of money....always do your homework.
Thank you. I'm sorry you had to learn the hard way too. Seems a very common thing with horses.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJackit is common every where in today's world.
Any time you get on social media for a time I see scammers post a friendly comment. UNTIL you open up to them ... then .... watch out. Before you know it you may lose $$$$, big time. I know; it's embarrassing and you feel like a fool bc you believe you followed all the protocols to protect you from that very thing. Lessons learned and unfortunately you have lost some serious money.
Some times, even though you do the homework, there's a twist to it that slips by you and "experts".
You're not stupid. Shame on them. I am sorry you had this experience. Not everyone is like this. I, for one, would make sure my horse goes to the right place and give all information I have to match the horse to the right home.
Thank you! I know there are good horse sellers out there! Just have to find them...
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJackYou will. You have a horse now and will learn and make new connections with time. Don't feel too bad. Horses can injure themselves at any moment, too. Some of us have "companion" horses that are not ridable even if nobody cheated. It happens when you have those beautiful animals in your life. Hopefully your next experience will be full of joy and positive surprises!
It’s good your informing the public on what you could end up with at an Auction; drugged Horse with physical and mental problems, abuse comes with an Auction Horse but not always. Horse plus is the best place to adopt!
Mentally, I think Black Jack is okay now! He was definitely depressed at the other barn, but now he's bright and interested in everything.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
Good sign
The organization that you mentioned is Horse Plus Humane Society for those who are unfamiliar with them. They buy horses from out of the slaughter pipeline, some they are able to save and rehabilitate and send them on to their forever home. Others are so injured/sick/old or otherwise in a state where the best course of action is "the last act of kindness" where they humanely euthanize these horses with all the love and care that particular individual needs during the process.
The plus in their name is for all the other critters they accept a the shelter. I've seen pigs, guinea pigs, dogs, cats, chickens, ducks and other assorted animals. They have a TH-cam channel so it's easy to look them up.
Hello Dawn!! Don't beat yourself up, we all make mistakes. That's part of the learning curve. Least you have a walk list for the next time... Unfortunately there are people in the horse business that are "shady" which sucks because they make those of us who care & are doing right by horses look bad. Karma is a b*!$% & I believe that trainer that did that to Black Jack will get his!!... Black Jack definately looks much better at the barn where he is now, all thanks to you!! Keep doing what you are doing because there is a bond starting to form that can be seen in this video. I believe you will be able to ride him, maybe not on trails but on flat ground. Patience, you got this!!😉
I'd be thrilled to even ride him in an arena. :) It does suck for everyone doing things the right way because this shadiness destroys people's trust in everyone. Thank you!!
I'm so sorry that those people took advantage of you ☹️
Glad you were able to talk to someone at your past barn, great info!!
Drugged - yes that was my first thought when you asked us for your 'must have checklist' for horse buying. That barn owner was very dishonest and it's so good you left that barn. Sadly, there are many owners who sell unsound horses and use drugs and other means to show the horse as calm. Shoving a horse in a stall for months at a time is traumatic.
You did have a vet check (PPE), but I guess they didn't do a drug test. Maybe that's not a normal part of it, but it should be. Of course, drugs can be missed it it's not a common used drug to sedate a horse.
I'm certainly going to be asking for a drug test at any future PPE. I just don't understand why people have to suck so much! ;)
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack It's not just horse people, it's all walks of life where you have good ones and ones that are only looking for a way to take advantage of you. Fortunately, the former is more prevalent that the latter (although it sometimes seems as though it's the other way around...).
I know this is not in your neck of the woods, but you can absolutely trust Kevin Shaw at Shaw Performance Horses. I bought my horse from him and I have been wit him and his wife Lindsay for 4 years. I had not ridden in about 30 years and when I bought Coco, I was 69. Coco takes care of me. They are in Huntersville, NC. He knows people all over the US . Cannot get any better than Kevin and Lindsay
What a great recommendation. Who knows what the future brings, so thank you for sharing!
Wow. I'm 64 and thinking my horse days are long over. You inspire me.
@@songsayswhat Who says they have to be over!?!? ❤
One thing I have learned so far, people selling horses or making profit on horses, are most often snakes in the grass. It's very disheartening.
You got scammed out of your money, on top of it the seller has put your life at risk, misleading you to believe horse is sound of body and mind. I have doubts if that's legal.
In life sometimes animals find us, when we are both in need. There's a chance he would've perished, if it wasn't for you, right there and then.
I know it's difficult for you, that's not what you signed up for, but all the love and care you give him will let him heal. He must've been in a horrific pain, it will take a while to get over the trauma. You are on the right track 💪🏼 thank you so much for being such kind soul and a guardian angel for this pony. I wish you all the best 💕
I agree, I'm wondering if this is actionable from a legal perspective. If she could sue them for at least part of the purchase price that money can go toward Black Jack's care.
Thank you for such kind words. I think there's a reason I found him when I did, and I'm trying to think of him as a rescue horse at this point. I just want him to have a good life, and I will change my expectations of him as he needs.
I've consulted with an attorney, so I really can't get into it to much at this point. But you're not wrong.
I'm so sorry that you had such a negative experience. When I moved across country several years ago, I had to sell 5 of my horses. As someone who wanted nothing more than to find them good, lifelong homes, I wrote up very long, detailed sales ads and was honest about every little thing. When one woman came to look at my gelding, I asked her if she had any questions and she said, "Nope! I think your ad covered all of it." Unfortunately, one buyer flipped one of my horses a month later and sold her for 3x what she had paid. That mare has bounced all over- which is ridiculous, as she was such a great horse- but I simply don't have the funds to buy her back. I've vowed since to never, ever sell another horse if I can help it. So even buyers can be shady!
Wow! That’s terrible! And I agree. I don’t trust anyone to care for Black Jack like he needs.
You nailed it !!! Can you imagine how that bounced around mare feels ???
Not a horse owner. But i watch several horse channels, they all say, never ever trust what tge seller is telling you. So sorry u didn't get a healthy 1st horse, however you have him for a reason...give him the love and care he should have been getting from the start❤ Glad i found your channel!
I hope you keep watching! Surely my videos will get more optimistic! :)
I’m very sorry the seller lied to you. Even experienced horse people have gotten scammed by dishonest sellers. I bought an expensive horse and had a thorough vet check but the horse bucked and was wild when I rode him. It turned out that he had serious back and hoof issues. Blackjack is a beautiful horse but might be better as a pasture puff. I recently bought a wonderful quiet palomino quarter horse that’s been wonderful and I love him dearly. Try to find an experienced horse person at your current barn who can help you look for a safe sound horse. A thorough vet exam from a vet who doesn’t service the seller is a good idea. Best wishes in your riding journey ❤️🐴🐴🐴
Thank you for your kind words! I'm thinking he might be better off as a pasture pet too, but we'll see what the vet says this month. I'm just setting my expectations low!
Typically there is a reason why someone is selling a horse - it’s the buyers job to figure out why - the reason and what is being said do not always match
@@RedHybiscus You're right. I should have tried to figure out why he was selling a "lesson horse" when he needed horses for the lessons. I know better now!
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I am glad he is safe, has a home, and is loved. Maybe God just worked it out that way. Just blinded your ability to reason so that you would take him 🤷♀️❤️
@@RedHybiscus I love that thought! God does work in mysterious ways!
Even if it came about through a lie, I'm glad you were able to save him. He looks so much happier now.
He's a very happy horse! I'm so thankful for that.
YOU ARE RIGHT YOU CANNOT TRUST A LOT OF HORSE PEOPLE... SO SAD.. I HAVE AND STILL HAVE RESCUE HORSES... I LOVE THEM VERY MUCH.. THANK YOU FOR HELPING BLACK JACK..
I'm glad people like you are out there rescuing horses!
Look forward to your next video. Xx you saved him, that in itself is wonderful, PLEASE DO NOT PUT YOURSELF DOWN, HUGS TO YOU BOTH XX LOVE AND PEACE
Thank you for your kind words!!
Yay to you for taking in Black Jack! You've got a great heart. I'm sorry to hear how badly he was treated, and you as well. I just happened on your video. Nicely done. I watch The Clever Cowgirl, on youtube, and she buys from auctions all the time and rehabs and then finds new homes for the horses. You might check her out. She might have the perfect horse for you, except she's in Montana. :-) Wishing you and Black Jack all the best!
Yeah, Montana is crazy far from Texas, but I sure do love her videos!
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack She recently bought a horse from a sale in Texas. If I remember right, the shipping to Montana was higher than the purchase price.
I wonder how many other people have been conned/duped, whatever you want to call it by the owner of your previous barn. The only good thing to come out of this is that Black Jack has benefited from your very kind heart and his life has improved 100%. Another thing to add to your “walk away” list is know when something is over priced and the art of negotiation. It’s all hindsight isn’t it. Black Jack is one lucky horse and you are a one very lovely human. ❤xx
I wonder too; surely I'm not the only one. I need to get better at negotiation or bring someone with me who's good at it. Hindsight is wonderful! lol
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I think it's a good thing overall to have a second set of eyes when you go looking as the other person might notice that you don't.
One example I have from my own life was decades ago. A friend of mine wanted to get a surprise gift for her young teenage daughter who had been riding with me for a year or so. So we started looking for a kid gentle horse for her.
One of the very first ones we looked at was in a pen with another horse. When we went out to see the horse, he immediately turned his butt to us. The owner said that she would go and get some grain to catch him. So meanwhile I'm trying to get to the horse's head to even see if he was friendly, he was having none of it. But the other horse was willing to come up and say hi and get petted. So I wordlessly shook my head on the first horse to my friend without the owner seeing me. When the owner came back with grain, I asked if the other horse was for sale. "No, he's my husband's horse, he's not for sale."
This wasn't an unusual experience at the time. All I could think of was who would buy that horse as a kid's horse and discover afterward, he wasn't. In the woman's defense, I don't think she knew much about horses herself as I suspect that it was her husband's hobby, not hers.
We eventually found the right horse for her daughter after I crawled all over her and crawled under her belly without her moving an inch. It was a great partnership for both of them until the family moved out of state for a job transfer and couldn't take her with them.
I am sorry about what happened to you but I am so thankful for Black Jack that he has you.
Thank you!!
Regarding “trusting Black Jack,” don’t be so quick to assume that he won’t be safe for you. Has he ever been aggressive towards you or attempted to hurt you? Horses often behave differently with different people. His “explosive behavior was likely due to pain. If has a good bond with you AND he feels safe with you, he will return your kindness. A horse that wants to hurt you will attempt to do so the minute you enter his space (stall, pen, or “striking distance”). That doesn’t seem like the Black Jack that you have shown us.
I grew up on a ranch with a family that had trained horses for generations. My own horse was one that had been labeled as dangerous. I literally saved him from being euthanized-I was 7 and nagged my father until he gave in and we adopted the horse. That horse hated the grown men in the ranch-they couldn’t get within 20 feet of him. However, he was like a puppy with us kids and with my stepmother, who had never been around horses before. We were the ones to care for him until he learned to feel safe. It turned out that he had been violently abused by the man that owned him before us. As a result, he was severely traumatized and associated men with pain-he was defending himself. Once we got him to a place where he felt safe and secure, he slowly began to trust the men in the family, as long as they didn’t try to bully him, he was fine.
When I got old enough to learn to train, my uncles decided that I would work with “problem horses” because I had so much success with my horse. It’s dangerous work, but in my experience, horses lash out because they have been psychologically traumatized, they are in pain, or in rare cases they have had some kind of neurological illness or injury to their brain. I only saw the last scenario once, and it was heartbreaking because we couldn’t help him. We did try, but he’d survived encephalitis a few years earlier, and the necropsy revealed a lesion on his brain, which was likely the cause of his explosive outbursts.
Black Jack could have ended up at that auction for a number of reasons that had nothing to do with being dangerous. My guess is that he was chronically lame and his owners either didn’t have the money to pursue diagnosis and treatment, or they were simply ignorant and assumed the problem couldn’t be treated.
For now, just focus on building a loving, tightly bonded relationship with Black Jack while he is recovering. When you are cleared to start riding him, go slowly. Start in a pen-a round pen if that is available. Then, using a mounting block try just laying across his back and see how he responds-slowly work up to it. You don’t need to saddle him. You can bridle him if you want to, but a halter will be fine. Then lead him to the block and spend a while just petting him all over before you try to get on him. Pay attention to his body language and if he tenses up at any point, just pause and start petting him again. Chances are that if you have built a good relationship with him, he will stay relaxed. If you pay attention, he will communicate his boundaries to you-and it won’t be with a kick in the head. The more time you spend with him, the easy it will be for you to read his signals.
Now, when you go to get on the mounting block, watch what he does with his head, his ears, etc. If he shows any sign of aggression. Stop. Get a trainer. However, given the way he has behaved with you on camera, I don’t think he wants to hurt you. His skill set may be rusty, when it comes to riding, and a trainer might be helpful at that point. But get hung up on his history. He’s in a new place, with a new person, and he’s got a much better quality of life. THAT WILL IMPACT HIS BEHAVIOR in a positive way.
Regarding your mindset, understand that ANY HORSE WILL BUCK under the right set of circumstances-even those that are normally bombproof. In that regard, they are like cars-any car can get into a wreck. Does that mean you shouldn’t drive or ride in a car? No! It’s just something you have to make peace with if you are going to ride. One of the best horses I ever had bucked every time I rode him-it was like his warmup ritual. But once he got it out of his system, he was all business and we won our class every time I showed him. His bucking habit also made me a much better rider because I was no longer frightened that my horse might buck. I knew he would. At that point my job was to make sure we were in a space where we wouldn’t hurt anyone, and hold on. Once he got his bucking out of his system, he was rock-solid-reliable. I could even put small children on him. Some horses are just like that, and you’ll never change them. The best you can hope for is to live in harmony with them.
Good luck! I will look forward to watching your adventures with Black Jack unfold.
What a fantastic comment! Thank you for taking the time to share that with me. Black Jack has never shown any aggression towards me or anyone else. He's a sweet, kind boy. Even the lady who told me about his bucking said she thought it was due to a kidney infection, which we all know is crazy painful. You're right. I need to remember all that's in the past. Black Jack is so much happier now, and this will surely impact his behavior. I like your methodical approach to riding him, and I will refer back to this once I get to ride him again!
Plus he was in a stall 24/7 probably overfed on grain. That'll make any horse nuts
@@tamom64 Which, in my mind, makes so much sense that BJ prefers being out on pasture. Horses are meant to be grazers, eating a little at a time and walking between bites, covering a large area. They are also herd animals.
Coop them up in a stall 24/7 with no interaction with other horses is a recipe for disaster. And even through all that, he's still sweet to humans. That's AMAZING!
With all the lies your lucky you didn’t get hurt because they really didn’t know.
Wow. Just WOW !!! Seriously makes me mad because you k ow what ? I would’ve believed that POS also and bought BJ also!!!!!! Unreal. I wish that they’d get charged but your such a good person you don’t even give the name !!!
Thanks for sharing because I am buying soon and I’ll remember what happened to you !!!
And your NOT stupid whatsoever. Im very sure the next horse you get will get will be everything you e dreamed of and thank you for taking such good care of him !! ❤️🐴
Thank you! I wish you much luck with your future horse buying - and that my experience will help you not make my same mistakes.
I feel badly that you spent a lot on your horse. He does look comfortable around you, and he's going to have a better quality of life with you by his side. I have been watching the clever cowgirl, and she has a lot of good tips if you are interested. I am not sure how much you know about horses since this is the 1st time I have seen your video, but she seems to know a lot about them and me not knowing much about them I have learned a lot. I am not saying anything negative, and I dont want you to think this. Obviously, you know way more than I do because you have purchased a horses. I just wish you the best of luck and will keep you and your horse in my prayers.
Thank you! I do love the Clever Cowgirl! Just got done watching her most recent Skeletor update.
I've been angry with those who mislead you from the beginning, but now I'm angry on a whole new level. They abused you and they abused poor sweet Black Jack. I'm only comforted by the fact that you came into BJ's life because you have definitely saved him. I also think his love for you has and will definitely enrich your life. But it was lucky that you found him because it was more likely that he would have ended up at another auction with dire consequences. I'm so happy you decided to share your story because it has definitely helped me and apparently countless other people. I continue to look forward to seeing your updates and look forward to your eventual triumphs and general good times! 💝 Edited to add: Wanted to emphasize a BIG positive development as it seems like you are building community (Allison, et.al) and that is what it takes, one trustworthy person at a time.
Thank you!! I do hope my videos help other beginners avoid what I've gone through, and I'm happy that I've been able to help Black Jack. I've made some really good, trustworthy friends through this process. In addition to Allison, another lady from his old barn (who I didn't even know) came to see him last weekend and someone else wants to come see him too. He was definitely a barn favorite.
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You most likely saved his life. Everything happens for a reason, thank God there are people like you in this world.
Thank you! :)
In the UK everyone buying gets a 5 grade vetting before purchase even from friends unless of course you're buying something as a companion and know the horse's limits. Some even get a full spinal x-ray as everyone now realises what a huge issue kissing spine is. Our yard manager has just had a full body scan on his horse at a horse hospital which is about 40 scans and has answered many questions about the way she goes. It cost abut £900 but she's insured. She's 14 and the prognosis is that she fine for low level dressage, no collection and hacking.
Interesting! That level of testing is not the norm here, unless you’re purchasing an expensive performance horse.
Poor baby boy! 😢 Thank you for being there for him now 🙏❤
At least he's living the good life now. He's feeling so much better!
He seems a lovely horse and he has bonded with you too. I'm sorry you've been lied to. Hoping it all comes well for you.
Thank you. He is certainly a lovely boy!
I wasn't scammed when I bought a nine year old gelding. I bought him. He exhibted as very FLAT, he was SO SHUT DOWN from non-use and little interactions with rider. Took about six months and he woke up and become himself. Horses that have sat are most likely mentally unfit because lack of socialization.
I feel for you it’s so not the introduction to horse ownership that you want.
I’m very happy for Blackjack though, he’s very lucky to have you❤
Thank you. While it's not how I dreamed of my first horse experience, I am happy that Black Jack has a great life now. And he's so darned sweet that I can't be unhappy for too long!
I'm a horse, owned horses all my life(60s). Worked at several barns that showed high level. Selling horses is horrendously dishonest. Please develope a relationship with a trainer or someone really knowledgeable to help you. A beginner/novice (i wouldn't even shop alone) should never buy alone. I dont understand how this person could do thus to you as you were a boarder(at the time). Did you ever see him ridden? Watch him ridden before buying? Based on prices these days, vet check?
Good luck going firward, he is very handsome.
I did a vet check with a vet not associated with the barn. But I did NOT see him ridden by anyone at the barn; I just rode him myself in a lesson. Lesson learned on my part. Thankfully, I have a friend who's got a great person who can help me when it comes time for a new horse.
Really enjoy your vlogs ! So sorry you have had to learn about horses this way. There are many honest people in the horse world.
I hope I can find them! lol I'm glad you're enjoying my videos. I'm hoping someday I'll have some really positive ones to share!!
My daughter tried to buy a horse from a reputable dealer, bombproof she said.Looked great , what the dealer didn’t know that my son was a veterinary surgeon and examined the horse and diagnosed it with chronic lameness .They were willing to sell a dud to a young girl, utterly despicable
So lucky that your son was able to determine that! Some people just really suck.
girl, we all have a story like yours or know somebody who does. so many jerks out there selling bad/lame/sick /drugged horses. I guess the best you can do from next time is pay for an extensive PPE with drug screens. i am thinking about breeding my mare for my next trail horse so at least i would know the whole horse. ugg . you are a great owner and have done right by him, way more that some may have and who knows he may make a recovery enough to trail ride on.
Thank you! You're right, he might surprise us all and heal up and turn out to be the best riding horse ever! If I had the time and experience, I might do the same as you, just because it's so hard to trust these people selling horses.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack There are ethical sellers out there. I raised Connemara ponies for a few years prior to the pandemic. In that community, we all know or have heard of the other breeders. If they're not ethical, they don't stay long. (BTW I never made any money on my ponies, a good home was the most important thing to me. They all ended up in amazing homes, although I did have one that the buyer wasn't who she proclaimed to be. So he was sold on to another buyer who helped him overcome the bad experiences he had and now he's a joy to his new owner.)
I've also known of people who mistreat a well-loved horse after the purchase is completed. So it's not just the sellers that can be misleading but the buyers can be as well.
Rescued horses are the most gentle and grateful ones. They know you saved them and that they are better with you ❤
That's so sweet!
You are just the right,caring person to look after Black Jack. I really feel he has, at last landed on his feet, with such an amazing person who loves him and will always put his best interests first. I realise you must feel betrayed and disappointed, but my goodness you have an excellent plan for you both. Best wishes and good luck to you both. I’m following you now, so pleased I found your video. 👏👍 😊
Thank you for subscribing and for your kind words. Black Jack has a safe place with me. My husband and I were just talking last night about how he’s never leaving us. 💜
I'm planning on purchasing my first horse soon, what I did was watch a lot of TH-cam videos on what to look for and how to go about. You may learn a lot there if you watch those videos before you buy your next horse. I wish you all the best and am happy you're choosing to keep this Beautiful boy!!!!! Kudos to you!!!!
Thank you!!
This really breaks my heart. Are you kidding me!!! I've been watching you from day one and always hoped for the best! This is a very unbelievable story.....probably not a ranch horse either! This past horse owner needs to be stopped! This is also why he (Black Jack) was overweight. No exercise ! This story does sound like a lawsuit to me....of course, this is up to you!! None of this Black Jack's fault! Yes, if he does become sound, a good trainer will tell you the good and the bad about Black Jack. Please take your time before purchasing another horse, get to know several true horse owners, people that live a horse life. They will be your best protector when it is time to buy a new horse. Also, a vet that has an excellent reputation. I'm truly so, so sorry about this news! I do want to give you a big hug and tell you everything will be okay! Yes. Through the years, I've heard of these types of dishonest people, but once they burn someone, the words get around very fast and no one will deal with them. Hang in there, we are here for you! God bless ❤...😊
I will take that hug!! :) And thank you SO much for following me from the start! This is not what I envisioned with this channel, but hopefully I can help someone in a similar situation. Plus, you guys are SO helpful for me as a new horse owner!
Why not lease a horse til you feel more confident? What are the laws in Texas regarding selling a horse under false pretenses? So sorry you had to go through this, just know you aren’t alone. 🍎🐴😐
@@starda01 I’m considering leasing. Just haven’t put out feelers at my barn yet. And yes, there are laws in Texas that apply here.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I had a friend who did just that when her daughter's pony had to be put down due to progressive health issues. Since she was in high school and was planning on going to college out of state, my friend found a horse to lease for a year. That way she didn't have to find one in her price range and then have to keep it until she could find a good buyer for it. It was a very good decision for the family.
You are smart to not name the barn publicly - it opens you up to a defamation lawsuit- privately discuss with people you trust! Best of luck with him! I have my own mid-life 1st horse- hasn’t had medical stuff, thankfully, but I’ve invested a lot in training! 💜🐴
Thank you! You get it; that's exactly why I'm not putting the name of this barn anywhere.
I’m going to make a generalized comment here. Please, I ask everyone to read through the entire comment before jumping on me and telling me that I’m wrong. I might be wrong, but this is just my experience
I grew up riding horses. This is in the 1960s. I was fortunate enough to be at a quarter horse barn where the horses were treated as all-around horses.
We did all kinds of things with them, from barrels, to trail riding, riding on the road, swimming them in the pond bareback, going to local 4-H horse shows, playing Cowboys and Indians games that involved capturing another person‘s horse by the bridle and making that horse’s rider jump up behind you double bareback. The horses not only tolerated all of our shenanigans, they seemed to thrive on it and to like the attention. They were enthusiastic participants.
The horses I rode were intelligent, sound, and had great temperaments and minds.
After that, I grew older, and for financial and personal reasons, was not around quarter horses very much for about 25 years.
When I was able to get into horses again, I had a child of my own. Naturally, I started looking at quarter horses. But I found that in in the 70s, 80s, and the early 1990s, things had changed a lot.
The quarter horse barns that I went to did not believe in horse turn out. They were afraid the horses would get the blemishes that a horse gets when he is turned out with a herd. Somehow, show people did not want that the minor wear-and-tear marks of outside living to show on a horse’s hide anymore.
Additionally, the new fashion was to make a quarter horse go so slowly that when trotting, they barely trotted. When cantering, they barely cantered. All of their beautiful movement, dexterity, and versatility seem to be gone. Horses were only used for specialized genres, such as, western pleasure, etc. No more versatility, only specialization.
I rode a number of these sequestered horses. It was like riding a dead cow. The horses were shut down emotionally, had no experience of life, other than arena riding, had little personality, had not been socialized to think through challenging situations out on their own, and basically were like riding an inanimate object.
I realize that a bunch of people will be inclined to jump in here and tell me that I am wrong.
Let me say it again: I love quarter horses. I always have. All I am doing is comparing the plight of many current quarter horses to the active types of quarter horses I grew up with.
At a number of barns, I have observed that the quarter horses are stalled 24/7. I could not understand that because they didn’t get to socialize with other horses. I knew that a quarter horse colt that stood in a stall for the three years I was at that barn. He was never allowed to come out, except if he went to a show , or if someone spent 20 minutes with him in an arena.
In a way, this has become normalized for people to see. It doesn’t surprise me that Blackjack was shuffled off to a stall after he bucked. What truly appalls me is that he had a serious infection that could’ve killed him for several months before a vet was called to see if pain or illness was the cause of the bucking.
I realize that there are a lot of people who breed quarter horses the old-fashioned way. They tend to refer to them as “ranch-bred” horses because they carry the foundation quarter horse bloodlines. They are raised in big pastures with their parents in herds. They learn how to run over rough ground. Those horses appear to be very athletic and capable of being very good using horses to me. I’m too old now to buy a horse, so I have not investigated further.
From an amateur point of view, please be aware that some people in the quarter horse world truly think that it’s normal to keep a horse in a stall, except when you’re riding them. I don’t think this is a good practice, no matter how you look at it. However, it’s possible that you may come upon this scenario if and when you go looking for a second horse.
I wish you the best of luck. Ideally, you will find someone trustworthy from whom to buy a second horse. They do exist. But too many people sell horses after buying them at auction and trying to flip them for a quick and unearned profit.
I’m pretty sure that that was what your former barn owner intended to do Blackjack. It just didn’t work out very well for him, so he got stuck with him for two years until he sold him to you. Had you not bought him, he would’ve ended up in Mexico at the slaughterhouse.
What an interesting comment! I am not quite as old as you and I wasn’t able to be around horses when I was a child (mom was deathly allergic), but I certainly believe the possibility of what you wrote here. There was a guy at my old barn who had performance horses, and they were NEVER allowed in the pasture. I just didn’t understand it because even I know horses do best in a more natural environment with their horse friends. I was told they couldn’t risk them getting hurt. I felt so bad for those horses. At my new barn, the horses with stalls get to go out to pasture every day (right now it’s at night) so that’s much better. But my goal for Jack is to get him on 100% pasture once we see how his leg is going to do.
I also believe you’re right that the barn owner was simply intending to flip him, and it didn’t work out for him. I’m just so thankful Jack’s not at a slaughterhouse, which seems like a likely scenario for him. Zero chance of that now.
You speak 100% truth. I live in Germany and thank goodness Quarter horses are nearly 90% family owned horse with the people doing the same fun stuff with them as you did. I recently came across a video of a Quater horse pleasure show. I was so shocked to see ALL of the horses loping in such an almost standing speed and they all looked lame on the back legs because it just didn't look natural for them and was certainly causing them pain. I am so sad that horses are not always treated so good in the States. The laws are non existent and seeing all the auctions and slaughter is heartbreaking. I don't know anyone here in Germany that doesn't keep their horse til the last breath. The laws are very strict here. My best friend had to sadly have the last act of kindness done for her 32 year old Quaterhorse Joe last week, he was also my horse's best friend when they shared pastures at a stable where we were at the time. It's a cruel world now 😢 take care ❤❤❤
@@charlotterockel-kennedy8913 I am relieved to hear that things are different in Germany. And you are correct that making quarter horses perform with their heads, pulled down to their knees while barely moving their bodies is devastating to them physically. I have a good friend who was an equine massage specialist who worked on all kinds of breeds. She told me that the quarter horses she worked on were sore all over their bodies, so terribly sore that they would flinch when she touched them at first. She was able to give them temporary relief, but so many of them develop arthritis in their necks because they are not allowed to carry their heads and necks naturally. Quarter horses are the most numerous breed of horse in North America, so it’s hard to say how many horses suffer from this kind of training. Thanks for your reply.
Totally agree with your comment I had quater horses best horse ever ❤
Don't forget about the "round pens", heavily overused and people who use them consider them as turn out. They are not large enough for a horse to trot. We didn't have a large property but we had 3 and 5 acre fields where they could kick up their heels and have a good run. We also had woods where they would spend the hottest time of the day in summer. It seemed, to me, that they were quite happy and I could walk up to any one of them with a halter and they would just let me come. Whenever I sold one, I would only sell if the horse actually accepted the person and I had 1st refusal if they decided to sell at a future date along with permission to visit without an appointment.
Everything you are doing with this horse is right on. I can’t believe people that keep horses in stalls, very cruel. My guy is out 24/7 here in Canada. Horses need to move. I hope he heals and you guys can trust one another one day. You are awesome and I’m so happy he found you.
Thank you! My goal is for Black Jack to eventually be 24/7 in the pasture. Just need to see how he does with his lameness.
I had a very similar experience when I got bought my first horse. Honestly, it doesn't get easier buying another one. But I love having my horses in my life and they and the experienced has taught me tons.
At least I'm not alone!! :)
Dawn! Please don't feel bad for being a trusting person. The horse biz is full of a- holes. So glad you have him. You guys will learn so much together even if he's not sound to ride. Animals find the people they need.
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Thank you! Even with all that we've gone through, I'm glad I have him too.
Love Ryan Rose! I was on his Patreon for a while until Black Jack went lame. May have to get back on there.
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I'm only halfway through the video, but I feel for you and Blackjack. I took my aunt to look at a former big lick Tennessee Walker and this poor horse is a mess and rarely gets out of his stall. It's terrible for them to live that way. I don't know if she's going to buy him...he has lots of issues that the owner seems to be playing down. I'm urging her to ask for permission to speak with the vet who examined him last month. If they have an issue with that, there's definitely a problem.
Oh wow! Big lick is horrifying! Those poor horses. I hope she gets a thorough vet exam because it seems those horses are ruined at such a young age. Should be completely outlawed, in my opinion.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I definitely agree. Big Lick is supposedly regulated but it really isn't. This horse is 10 and moves like he's 20+. The current seller does not show, but he has major show horse bloodlines and was definitely shown at a high level and was completely used up. I hate big lick too. With a passion.
@@cmoorewv I'd never heard of Big Lick until I started back into riding lessons last year. Just watching the videos on TH-cam made me sick. If I had an unending supply of money, I'd have to rescue all those poor horses.
I watch a rescue channel that gets a lot of Big Lick horses from the slaughter pipeline when they're too ruined to compete. It's disgusting and how anyone would even consider what they force those animals into as a sport makes me question humanity. It needs to be illegal, period.
@@sometimessiri.8559 if there are no objections, can you share that channel with me?
I applaud you for sticking with Black Jack. Forget the past and move forward with him. I think his pasture rest will work wonders. Keep him vet checked to avoid future health or lameness issues. He may never be the full time riding horse you want but God works in mysterious ways. Black Jack is meant to be yours. In addition, it appears the horse world is full of scoundrels so now you know what you are dealing with. Being informed now puts you at an advantage if you have to buy another horse.
Thank you! I think God put Black Jack in my life for a reason, and I'm very thankful for that!
Do NOT buy ANY level performance horse until YOU are a confident, proficient rider. If you do, it won't be long before your trained horse drops to your level. Keep up the lessons until you find out if Blackjack is sound. If he is, find a reputable trainer that can evaluate Blackjack and who will work with you and Blackjack together. Unfortunately, your story is all too common. Also, your handsome boy is getting dangerously fat. I would worry about laminitis plus the extra weight he is carrying doesn't help any tendon issues. Can you hand walk him for some exercise or is that against the vet's wishes? *** Get some horse friends. Knowledgeable horse friends! I have had horses for over sixty years and am a little knowledgeable, but am still learning. Nice to have met you on TH-cam! Jodi
Hi Jodi! Thank you for your comments!
I certainly don't want to spend the money on a horse and have it lose it's training. I know how much these horses cost, and honestly, I'm not sure that'll ever be in my budget. I really hope Black Jack can get better enough to be a reliable ride.
I know he's fat, but he's actually losing weight at his new barn. At the previous barn, there was a barn hand just just kept feeing him grain and huge amounts of alfalfa because he "loved" him. Sigh...
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Worked for a small animal vet almost 50 years ago and there were some clients that LOVED their dogs/cats that way. We had one come in to be spayed that was so fat she looked like a tick. It took her days to recover from the anesthesia as fat releases it much more slowly that muscle.
Had a lameness vet tell an owner her horse had Arthritis when the horse had laminitis. But the horse wasn’t exhibiting laminitis. She changed her hay, no treats, no turn out, no sugary grain and a year later, the horse is doing beautifully.
You’ve rescued BJ again, this time for good 😊
Yup! He's not going anywhere now!
Thank you for telling your story. Your information will be helpful to other buyers.
So sorry for your disappointment. Some GOOD will come from you
sharing this upsetting experience. It will convince other buyers to do much research before handing over their money to sellers.
I hope so! Honestly, that's one reason why I'm so brutally honest in these videos. When I first started the channel, I was hoping other beginners could learn from me and from my mistakes as I learned how to ride a horse. Just haven't gotten to that part YET! lol But another good thing that came from all this is that I have Jack, and he's still the culmination of a life-long dream!
Almost the exact same situation happened to me. I was 50, first horse, pretty green at the time. I still have him, 7 years later and that horse has taught me so much! Learning the hard way sucks and I am sorry this happened to you. Bottom line, safety first. He is gorgeous and best of luck and thank you for loving him.
I'm glad it's worked out for you!! Learning the hard way really does suck, but I guess we won't forget!! lol
You still saved him from the slaughter pipeline. Also have someone that is an equine chiropractor.
I'm calling one tomorrow! The reminder just came up in my phone tonight. :)
It's so irresponsible of these people who sold you a horse while knowing the horse had issues, I mean that's not only bad for the horse that they didn't help the horse with whatever was going on, but by selling him to you knowing you had limited experience they put you in danger without even warning you or even caring, I'm sure once his issue's are helped he will really be a fantastic horse, atleast with you he has a chance as I'd hate to imagine his future or lack of if he'd have ended up back in the auction ring,
It really is frustrating that there's owners out there who would rather spend money on covering up a horse's health woes to fool others than spend the money on sorting them out for good, it's like they aren't willing to put in the time or effort, in your case it's someone you thought of as a friend that let you down and that's awful that they were willing to lie to you for a sale,
I agree, it's incredibly frustrating! I have also been surprised - and saddened - to find out that this is not an unusual situation. The good news is that at least Black Jack is in a safe place now, and I'm not going to sell him.
I was told when I was new to the horse world that ‘horse people are the best and the worst people you will ever meet, no in-between’. Over the years I have found this to be true time and time again. My gut feeling about Black Jack is that he is a solid, quiet horse. Once he heals, and I’m confident he will heal, I would definitely have him evaluated by an experienced rider/trainer. Unfortunately some trainers will take advantage of us too, tell you that your horse has x,y & z problems and offer to fix them, which can end up being a long, drawn out, expensive endeavor. So, I like to really ask around to find someone with a good reputation, I’d start asking now, before you even need a trainer. After I ask around and find some good options I like to have a few (3) or at the very least, a couple of evaluations done to see if each trainer is seeing the same issues. And I prefer that they are from outside facilities, not all from my barn, maybe just one from the barn where I’d board, the others I’d trailer to for an evaluation. I’ve found that shopping around ends up costing less than getting a trainer who wants to never fix the problem because it means he can keep charging you, again this can last years. Black Jack looks better already under your care, it’s nice that he checks in with you and says hi, not every horse does that, there’s something to say for a horse that cares.
Thank you for the idea of having multiple evaluations. I would not have thought of that! And I've also found that your first statement is so true! I've found some really GREAT people since I got Black Jack. In fact, one of them is coming to see him today!
Four different people can see the same event happen and have four different “opinions” or views as to what happened. My heart goes out to you…. I wish there were a horse court where one could hold bad horse traders accountable. Don’t give up on him just yet some injuries take a long, long time to be resolved. Keep faith in good veterinary advice and guidance. In the meanwhile if I were you I would continue to take lessons where you are and go onto discover more about yourself and what you ultimately really want. You say you would like to have a performance horse? What is your definition of a performance horse, barrels,stake bends, or dressage or jumping? You may find as your riding abilities continue to grow that so does what you expect your next horse to be capable of. I’m with you on the trail riding, great for the body, mind and soul.
Thank you for your comment! You're right. I need to be patient with Black Jack's healing. Maybe someday he'll be the horse I was hoping to buy! I do have some thoughts on performance horses, which I'll share on another video. Definitely a conflict between my desire, age, and financial reality! lol
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I hear you,lol, about the desire, age and money. Don’t sell yourself short. A good read is, I believe it is a book titled the Search for Adele von Ohl Parker, a most remarkable horsewoman from Cleveland, Ohio my father and I had the privilege of meeting and having quite a lengthy conversation with her. Most remarkable lady. Quite a remarkable journey she had throughout her life. She was 70 plus years old when I watched her jump her horse over a mind- blowing jump made of what looked like telephone poles stacked up. (Real ones). I think they made a movie about her also which I must make a point of find it on line and watching it. I know I keep saying remarkable but that is exactly what she was, remarkable. My best friend’s parents knew her well because they rode there as very young adults before they were married. They didn’t have my girlfriend until they were 40 some years old, my friend and I got to know her after we had graduated from high school. Gee that makes me really old…..lol. The book is really a good read, one that you will never forget.
@@sharonbeck-hl7cf Thank you for the recommendation! I'll keep my eye out for that book. Right now it's on Amazon for $95. lol
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack Wow!
Maybe the library can get it for you.
Horses do heal. Give him the time he needs to properly heal and eventually you will ride him.
I sure hope so! I love your optimism, and I want to feel it too! :)
I have 50 years of riding, Tevis, AQHA, APHA showing, etc., on and on. Some horses you can never trust. It is not worth death. I have had 5 friends who were angles, but they all died trying to change an explosive horse.
@@truthbetold6942 Black Jack is NOT an explosive horse. He has medical issues; that doesn’t make him dangerous.
@@truthbetold6942 Thank you for commenting, and I appreciate your concern for safety. Black Jack is a kind horse; I believe he just needs some help after a very rocky road recently.
@@truthbetold6942 It doesn't look like BJ is like that since he was found to have a bladder/kidney infection. PLUS she rode him once in the arena before she bought him. At the present time, she not planning on riding him unless and until he recovers from his lameness issue. She has stated that he will be a forever pasture pet if that is the case.
And, yes, there are some horses that are so dangerous that the "last act of kindness" is the best thing for them.
Maybe try him as a harness horse? It would allow him exercise and interaction while allowing the healing. Don't give up on him, kindness and respect of an animal can be a miracle.
I'm definitely not giving up on him!!
When I heard the word tendon my immediate thought was laser treatment! If you can check that out and see if that is a treatment option for him. I’ve used it for myself and it saved my dog from surgery. Hope this helps.
I'll ask about it!
Laser treatment works great. My friend is having similar issues with a bad tendon problem. After 6 months her horse is now allowed to be ridden but only walking, no trotting or gallops. The laser treatment she had done twice a week. Only controlled exercise and she had a long list of to do and what not and the vet frequently out to do an ultrasound.
I'm so sorry you've been through this situation, but happy for Black Jack! Please, always do due diligence when buying a horse....on EVERYTHING. the sellern, the conditions the horse has been kept in. Have they been ridden regularly,if not, why not. Ask about the horse's history. Ask to see their papers if they're registered. Info regarding breeder should also be on those papers, research them. Ensure the seller allows you to see the horse under saddle, if possible with more than one rider. Ride them yourself. And ALWAYS have them fully vet checked, including blood work and X-rays.
The silver lining is that Black Jack at least now has a great home. I agree 100% on all your suggestions. I thought I was doing most of that the first time around, but in hind sight, I didn't press hard enough on anything.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack yep, Black Jack has a guardian angel for sure
Consider buying Your next horse through a reputable rescue…. They are more interested in getting a horse into the right Home than making a few bucks.
I've had enough people suggest a rescue that I will give them a look! Thank you!
No to the rescue. We almost bought a horse with a shoulder issue until an experienced horse owner said they should never have advertised her as safe. Rescue people have big hearts and often only tell you the positive aspects of
Horse is very blessed to have you .
Because you giving him lots lots of love .
Go forward …. Not everyone is a lier .
You giving him a second chance of his Life.
That person eventually will get what he does to others people.
You doing good.
Blessings ❤️🐎
Thank you! I do agree I think he will reap what he's sown.
No you should not have a bad experience when getting your horse. You have learnt so much from your experiences- now what you could consider is taking a look at some of the horses that have been rescued and brought on . For example Horse rescue plus or PonyTales. These organisations have great equines that need forever homes - also if things dont go very well for either you or the horse -they will buy take them back (for a small fee).
Thank you for those references! I will check them out! Maybe adoption is a better way to go, assuming they're okay with adoptees boarding their horses (rather than owning land).
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I don’t think owning your own land is a even an issue - the point is they do vet your situation and the fact you already have a fabulous looking setup and another horse - which you are obviously looking after very well and meeting his needs - it could be a marriage made in heaven for all concerned
I follow both and I would certainly trust buying a horse from either of them. It's heartbreaking seeing all the auction horses 😢
@@charlotterockel-kennedy8913 i know Charlotte I live in the uk 🇬🇧 and I know our auctions have their flaws but I was so shocked by what i saw …..PonyTales was the first insight I had and then Horseplus rescue and honestly they do such a great job
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack A correction with the name of one of the shelters mentioned. It is Horse Plus Humane Society, the plus in their name is because they take all sorts of critters other than horses. They are based in Tennessee.
You are a wonderful person and I think blackjack is so lucky that he ended up in your hands. You have been absolutely betrayed by dreadful people, but sometimes I think horses find you and he needed you to save him. If it doesn’t work out just love on him and find a horse for you to ride, I’m so sorry this happened to you but I’m glad for blackjack that he found you. Sending hugs for both of you from Australia.
Thank you for the hugs from Australia!!!
I have suspected this since I saw your first videos. A lot of things didn't add up. Is it possible the former owner drugged him for your PPE? In any case, I'm sorry this has happened to you and you are doing an awesome job of rehabbing Black Jack!
I absolutely would not put it past him to have drugged him for the PPE. He knew when the vet was coming, so he totally could have done it.
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack By any chance, did this vet happen to do a lot of business at that barn, perhaps even with the barn owner as a client? My first purchased horse, who was "quiet and perfect for a teenager", passed his vet check with flying colors despite having extensive arthritic changes at just six years old. After we left that barn, we later learned that nearly everyone who boarded at that facility knew the regular barn vet had been paid off to pass him. I subsequently have heard a disturbing number of similar stories from other people who've had similar experiences.
Also, be very, very leery of horses travel extensive distances to be sold (another red flag we didn't know at the time). Sometimes it's legitimately just a horse from an area with not much of a local market being moved to an area where there might be more interest, but at least as often, it's a horse with issues known to its local community being sold where nobody knows its real history.
@@bluefrogcreations6132 Thankfully, the vet was completely separate from the barn. He said he didn't have any clients there at all, and I believed him. Originally, I'd called the vet that the barn used, and they wouldn't do the PPE because it was a conflict of interest. I thought that was pretty decent of them.
Didn't think about the distance thing. I'll add that to my ever expanding list!
It’s common for flippers to buy a horse at auction in one state, then trailer them vast distances to an auction in another state to sell them quickly.
I know several instances of this . In one case, the first auction was in Vermont, then the horse was sold in Michigan at auction. In another case, the horse was from Montana, and was taken to Illinois for the second auction.
It’s not always easy to figure this out in advance.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. This is unfortunately not uncommon so don't be hard on yourself. I have to say I'm so glad he is with you... you obviously care very much about him and are making his life much better. It's so expensive to buy a horse, but always worth insisting on a vet check before money exchanges hands. You're right in not trusting a lot of people who want to sell a horse... it's just a sad fact. If you get him sound and healthy there's no reason he won't be a great pleasure horse and companion for you. He looks like a level-headed sweetheart! Maybe you just needed to come into his life to get him safe and healthy.
Thank you! He is just SUCH a sweet heart! I couldn't have asked for a horse with a better nature. I am so lucky in that way!
I know you might not think so right now but there are some trustworthy horse people out there you just have to search
Black Jack is gorgeous he is the same color as my horse
Hope his next lameness check goes well😊😊😊
Thank you! I'm really curious to see how his next appointment goes!!
What you said today, we're my thoughts, when I saw your first videos. I think he is a trustworthy horse, otherwise not so many people would have loved him. When he got along with so many children in summer camp, he must be a very relaxed horse. I worked in a summer camp and nothing is more chaotic than exited children in astable. May be you take him for walks than you can see his character, and it would be good for him. There is a You Tube channel called Horse Plus Humane Society. They buy, evaluate and rehome auction horses. They have horses for every level of rider. They are trustworthy and do great work. May be they have something for you.
He's definitely a sweet boy, and I do trust him on the ground. Not a mean bone in his body. Just not sure whether I could trust him to ride, only because of my experience level. IF (and that's a huge IF) we ever get there, I'll have him evaluated and tuned up.
Ps I wish I could look that cute all hot and sweaty !!! I’m just a puddle in this Florida heat.
Again, thanks for the vid and being the great horse owner you are !!!❤️🐴
LOL! Thank you! By the time I was done, I was bright red and soaking wet. Plus no makeup because who puts on makeup to go to the barn??? lol
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I saw a baseball hat with the message, barn hair, don't care. I know of NO ONE who gets dressed up to go to the barn to do chores or spend time with their horses!
I have had two horses that had been abused in different ways and had mental and health issues but with time and patience and lots of love they both turned around and I learnt to trust them and them me. We don’t come across these animals by chance and I think we are led to them. I’m a 68yr old and six years ago it was the last thing I wanted an abused horse but anyway that’s what I got and I wouldn’t change her for the world. That’s all through patience, love and trust and using an animal communicator who found out so much about her past history and pain. Keep on trusting and things will come out right.
I'm so glad you were able to help your poor girl!
He’s lucky to have you ❤
He is Gorgeous. I hope he gets better. Hang in there with him. I am a firm believer that horses come into our lives for a reason. :)
I believe you’re right. ❤️
I’m so sorry this happened to you some people have no morals… you on the other hand I think blackjack found his guardian angel 👼 when the two of you met.. it breaks my heart that these beautiful animals end up in the slaughter pipe line no animal deserves that and what they g 18:51 o through is just barbaric sending well wishes and blessings from England 🇬🇧 uk xx ❤❤❤
Hi there over in England!! I don't understand people, I really don't. But at least Black Jack is enjoying life now...
Thank you for sharing! Your horse has a brand on his near shoulder. This is great news, because if it's a registered brand, you can look up his breeder and maybe find out some history on him. It's sad that there are crooks in the industry wanting to take advantage of less experienced owners. Good luck!
Yes, he does have a brand. It looks kind of like a cancer ribbon, and I've tried to research it in the past with no luck. I need to try some more because I'd LOVE to find out more information about him.
Well I would talk to your husband about this maybe you should not beat yourself up so much for what happened I am so glad you are his momma now and taking good care of him
Thank you! My husband is awesome and totally supports me. I will always take good care of Jack because that's what people are supposed to do. Love that boy...
Why would you assume her husband is unaware of the situation?
Thank you so much for sharing. I too, started horseback riding lessons recently. In fact it's only been 11 times. My childhood dream was also to own a horse and I'm hoping one day to feel experienced enough to get my own horse.
LEARN FROM ME!!! lol I hope you get to live out your dream!!
He is so beautiful.
Thank you! I think so too. :)
I"m glad you did get your baby!!!
So many people are so unethical.
It's sad.
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Wild Yam helps w/ pain.
DMSO is also good for pain, alkalizing,
cleansing, oxygenating.
Horses NEED to be turned out and
allowed to run/move!
Black jack is lucky that you have and love him.
He seems very sweet.
Thank you!! He's the sweetest boy. I got very lucky in that way!