im with you, but they are right about a few things lol. you seem to only look at the bad side of things.. Like Elon, im not a fan of him at all, but i can not deny that he has made some great things happen
I love how you take destructive criticism and turn it into smart talking points but I disagree with you in a litlle thing, you can ALWAYS demonize capitalism!
I remember getting into an argument with grown men on Facebook cos I thought a maximum wage was a good idea since it would mean CEOs would be forced to put the rest of the money into the business and paying their employees a livable wage. The billionaire stans were acting like suggesting such a thing was the same as taking money from a struggling business...
and the replies that were like "oh yeah well Jeff Bezoes and Bill Gates are bad too, how bout THAT!" are even more depressing, it's like they think he just stans *different* billionaires and literally can't conceive of not liking billionaires at all.
I absolutely agree that undue criticism should not be hurled at billionaires (or you know... anyone), but the people who defend people like Musk or Trump don't only go after 'undue' criticism. They seem to think any critique of these people is a personal attack on them.
The problem with Mr. Beast has nothing to do with what Mr. Beast is doing or who he is. The problem is that people in the richest country in the world should not need to depend or hope for the generosity of one rich person to get their essential needs met. It is easy to take these feel-good stories of people getting their needs met at face value, and not see the (usually very solvable) problem that led those people to need charity to begin with, or worse use these examples of charity as evidence that societal change isn't needed. For example, Mr. Beast did an amazing thing by paying for 1,000 people's cataract surgery and giving their sight back. However, according the the CDC, of the 20 million people over 40 who have cataracts in at least one eye, only about 6.1 million are able to get the recommended surgical treatment (about 30 percent). Millions of people are suffering because they can't get a simple surgery without being put into years or decades of medical debt. This problem cannot be solved by individual charity- it needs to be done by societal change.
I'm always reminded of this one tweet: Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used
Perhaps those orphans need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and out of the orphan crushing machine. Sadly, as they are orphans, they have neither boots nor straps. But, all is not lost, gentlemen! The tears of crying children are the lubricant of the wheels of modern commerce.
Yes but you do have to remember several things about Mr. Beast. 1. Mr. Beast pushes his charities onto poor people who can't use his donations, like the father who said he can't pay for electricity as Mr Beast pushes Iphones onto him. And Mr. Beast makes an entertainment about how poor people are while tooting his horn on how charitable he is...even though he often misses the mark about their needs. Most of the time, Mr. Beast uses people's desperation to win prize money (only 1 winner in his own Squid Games) and he doesn't pay them for appearing on his TH-cam channel. And importantly, Mr Beast has never said what percentage of the donations goes to people in need. 2. Mr Beast likes to greenwash in his Team Trees campaign and Team Seas, Team Trees used to work for Arbor Day Foundation which supports are from oil, energy and plastic corporates. ADF doesn't tell anyone whether those trees are still living, what type they are (nilly willy planting can destroy eco-systems) and that's only in the US. In other countries listed, Team Trees does not list which organizations they work with. Team Seas clean up instead of cleaning up what's already in the ocean, it's better to clean up the rivers BEFORE the trash hits the ocean which is a lot more effective in efficiency and cost. Also make legislation to punish corporates that dump into the ocean (a percentage of their earnings, not measly sums) is far better that getting 1 million USD from a plastic bottle company (1 such donater in Mr Beast's Team Seas but others are also oil & energy companies) which is patting themselves on the back and pretend to be so "green" while not making any effort to change themselves. Mr Beast is a defender that "capitalism is good" when everything is just hypocrisy and pretense to not improve societies. He's literally paid by corporates. Oh and I forgot 1 thing, remember that CSGO lotto? Mr Beast was 1 of the investors of that scammy website.
The fact that your anti-woke viewers are suggesting that you save the “woke content” for the end to create some sort of safe … region … where they won’t get … stirred … is pretty deep into indistinguishable parody
I love how conservatives like to co-opt progressive language but only to serve their interests instead of actually understanding what they mean. Saying that there is "alot of bigotry towards successful people these days," as if mean words on the internet are really gonna do anything to mark their life. I'm sure elon and all the other "successful" people are going to be so hurt by a YTber criticizing their morals. The woke mob is simply this unstoppable force that not even the highest of high can escape from. They don't even get anything from this, they do this for free. It reminds me of this saying where, "The left never really got off in america cause everyone thinks they're just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire." And I think this rings true here. They've all been so invested in the system and believing they have a chance, that any criticism towards a rich person/system itself is like criticizing their own life choices. If the capitalist dream is a myth that only a lucky few can participate in, then a HUGE chunk of their life has been wasted in pursuit of it. That's a hard thing for people to accept.
I remember when one of my local manufacturing plants went on strike, one of my friends who was scarcely 20 was talking about how unreasonable the union was being and how they were asking for too much. As if he'd know. We are trained to have cognitive dissonance: to identify with the more affluent owner or managerial class, and to show up to work every day for our wages. If this dissonance didn't exist, we would be more able to face up to our reality as workers (which isn't fun, kinda grim really) and be more empowered to act in our interests, and get what we really want out of life.
i don't think most people really believe they'll one day be the ones at the top some may believe that one day some of their descendants might slowly scale that ladder, but really the propaganda machine of neoliberalism has just inflicted most with a deeply held belief that there NEEDS to be people at the top and that the people at the top DESERVE to be there in some way natural hierarchy, consider the lobster, etc etc
This is very amusing to me because as a non-native English speaker, I sort of took for granted that the term whitewashing had some other connotation I wasn't familiar with.
Oh yeah, it's actually a pretty fun example of "semantic progression": Originally, white-washing referred to using a mixture of lime dust and water (whitewash) to make things white. Specifically, whitewash was cheaper than paint, and slightly anti-bacterial, so it was used in like, cheap housing for the poor, or working buildings like dairy sheds, slaughterhouses, barns, etc. So this idea sprang up that a lot of these places were hiding sloppiness or bad practices by just throwing cheap white-wash over them/the need of "whitewash" to tidy up something that's getting somewhat questionable or complicated: it doesn't have to be complicated if it's just blank white. This becomes a political and social metaphor, and stays that way for about 200 years. Then, in the last 10 or 15 years (the earliest I've found is a Smithsonian article from 2012 that hints at the idea without directly using it*) the phrase gets a new meaning, referring to Hollywood casting white actors to portray roles that "should" go to actors of color, as part of a complicated re-inspection of race in Hollywood that was growing in awareness at the time, with the obvious parallel or literally making something white serving as the metaphorical anchor.
It seems so tiring to be a conservative. People joke about leftists never enjoying things but I can't imagine losing my mind because I heard a youtuber say the word "white". Like these people legitimately get upset and seemingly have their day ruined by so much as hearing the word.
I watched a grown man have a literal screaming meltdown because the videogame Starfield had the woke mind virus to... ask you if you prefer he/she/they pronouns during character creator. That was it. That was enough to make them scream until they were hoarse, on camera, posting to the world how mad they were.
the more you interact with them the more you start to realize that nothing actually matters to them except getting a reaction out of you, they hold no actual positions or beliefs except hurting the people they don't like and they will say or do anything no matter how contradictory or self-defeating it is
I agree. Lets have a velvet divorce. Easy enough you only make laws that apply to your people, we only make laws that apply to ours. Easy and we can never talk to each other again.
@@trouty606it’s the same with people complaining about Baldur’s Gate having the ability to have gay/lesbian romances. Like that really showed me the level of crybaby some of these guys have. To think that a story is “ruined” because it gives you a choice to be non-straight is just so strange. Like if you don’t want to play a gay guy then just, don’t. There’s nothing stopping you from having a relationship with Shadowheart, or the two other female companions in the game. To swipe away hours of genius storytelling and game mechanics because of the gay is just idiotic.
As someone with a yellow lampshade lamp in their room who has wanted to take photos in said room, I feel your jaundiced pain. First video was great, so was this, Elon fan boys never fail to amaze and disappoint me. And I would 100% watch a Mr. Beast Wonka movie.
My Walls are orange, the last owner decided sherbert orange was a fantastic wall color and I hate them. I want to paint them but dealing with the furniture is a pain and I don't feel like it
It'll never not be hilarious that conservatives will whine for WEEKS on end about movies that they think are "woke", and the majority of the time have no complaints other than "woke", "feminist", "anti white", "degenerate", "harmful to kids", but any time anyone on the left, or just not conservative, makes maybe one video discussing a movie/franchise in full, they go INSANE. They talk about free speech all the time but they cannot handle people actually speaking freely or intelligently about something. They just listen for buzzwords that make them angry, regardless of whatever context is attached, screech about how they feel personally threatened in the comments, and click off the video instead of actually paying attention to anything. It's so hypocritical.
It's mainly American republicans along with some people on the right from other countries who have spent too long in internet spaces filled with American Republicans. The party is a joke to anyone who's remotely sane, to the point that some of them are now threatening violence if Trump goes to prison, and a lot of companies and campaign groups that represent them made a 900+ page document essentially detailing a takeover plan of the USA, and a Nazi-germany-like manhunt for LGBT people if they get elected in 2024. Because I guess if they can't be loved, fear is a good enough substitute for them.
also I don't think I've ever seen an actual thoughtful video from conservatives about any one piece of media like the ones Jack (or others) does. and I've never seen a leftist scream and cry about them the same way conservatives do
What if I just wanna watch a video and don't want it to be political. I'm not agreeing with THOSE people And I'm not agreeing with the other people Weather you're an asshole or not, I'm fucking tired of terms like "leftist" and "conservative" It's so annoying
@@cherricake1796 Are you also tired of hearing about "realists" and "idealists" in video essays discussing international relations? Or maybe the dreadful "empiricists" and "rationalists" in discussions of epistemology? Just a hint for yah here bucko, if I were tired of hearing about Manchester City and Bayern Munich, I would simply not watch videos about about the top tier of football ;)
In America- it was the left that turned woke into being aware of injustices to being identity politics and fighting things I don’t like. U have it backwards
Just keep on using it in a positive way, we still say in the black community way before it was codified by racist white people who turned it into what it is now "thing I don't like(usually black)"
I thought they turned it into a term for "Help I'm a mental deficient that convinced myself that I am a free thinker and now my brain is sliding out of my ear"
They also totally corrupted the entire idea of free thought. It was once something meant to question things. Now it's an excuse to not listen to anything you don't want to hear. 😢
@lolafierling2154 any time one of those dumbass anti woke morons says that theyre a free thinker, I ask them if they're in the market for these magic beans I have.
I hope the Wonka movie takes a sharp left turn midway through and pivots from Willy's origin of chocolate making and sellingto Willy's origin of gaslighting and monopolizing
This would be an amazing subversion of expectations, but I highly doubt it will happen in reality bc big corporations are usually terrified to include capitalism evil messages in their works because they'd immediately get called out for hypocrisy. The lorax movie has an unused song called "biggering" thats like a dramatic rock ballad of the onceler becoming corrupted by greed and losing his morality, but they replaced it with "how bad can I be" which is this cutesy, goofy, sanitized version of the same idea. I think the moviemakers felt it was too realistic, and what we ended up with is a joke of a movie. I feel like Wonka will end up in a similar way. We could have this plot twist where a simple man with a dream becomes corrupted by his greed for financial success and fame, but instead well probably get a fluffy inspiration p*rn movie that washes out any traces of the exploitation we all recognize the character to avoid making audiences uncomfortable or question things like labor ethics that the moviemakers themselves are guilty of :/
Honestly, if it was a Lorax Willy Wonka movie with a bad ending it’d be great. like the movie is Willy discovering his love of making and selling candy, then getting corrupted by greed to the point of enslaving an entire group of Oompa Loompas because their original jungle home was destroyed when he built the giant chocolate castle for that one Indian king, and so he “offered” them the “choice” to come work with him when the castle inevitably melted, then it cuts to him much older at the top of his factory realizing how much he’s ruined the world by enabling spoiled brats and a corrupt industrial culture, and eventually ending with a shot of Charlie getting the golden ticket, leaving us with the grim sadness of the terrible deeds a once young and inspired Willy Wonka did but also an optimistic hope for the future that comes with a new young and inspired Charlie. But nah, it’ll probably just be a Fantastic Beasts knock-off where Willy Wonka does nothing wrong.
@DownTrodded well why even do a remake if your choosing to take out everything that made the original piece memorable? Oh right, using a preexisting title means financial success, the same greed these media were criticizing, if you replaced the environment/labor aspect with creative integrity
@@nonymouswisp8176Then you fall into some Orwellian BS of controlling thought through controlling language. Who gets to head the Department of Slurs and decide who's allowed to speak their mind? In one example, a girl who got in a fight on a bus said she was called racial slurs, such as "whale" which is "a large black mammal". That's an insult about weight, not race.
The comment about Jewish people really struck me as odd. I can't believe how many people believe that all Jewish people actually dislike non-Jewish people. My best friend is Jewish and ever since I was young, her family has been the kindest, inviting me to all sorts of important celebrations (like her Bat Mitzvah) without ever pushing the religion itself on to me. EDIT: I understand that anti-semitism is very widespread, and comments like this are just a product of people being racist. I'm just commenting on how you can always tell that people like this have never actually had any real relationships with Jewish people, nor have they tried.
did you know the talmud says gentiles cant eat with jews? should be treated more like cattle than fellow men? and murdering them is no different than killing an animal? how about the fact Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 says gentiles are lesser than dogs?
Some people think Jewish people are like, a big scary imaginary entity and not just folks that you see and hang around with who have a religion and an ethnicity just like most people do. It's weird. They've gotta be stuck in a pretty serious echo chamber.
He's being petty. The slang meaning of whitewashing has replaced the traditional, biblical meaning of "covering up a bad deed" in popular media. I bet most people under 20 have rarely even heard the word used properly, That's just low for this guy to say they have "worms in their brains" for assuming he meant the more common usage of whitewashing!
@@yeoldegunporn What are you talking about? I'm saying that words can have two meanings and that popular meanings shift. Would you tell a zoomer his head was "full of worms" because he didn't get that you meant someone was "happy and carefree" when you called them gay?
I genuinely wish that were true but the brain poison that is the 'woke is all the things I am told to dislike' has spread waaaay past America at this point. Canada, Australia, the UK, basically any Eastern European country, tons of people across Western Europe. It's become a chud rallying cry because it's got no actual definition to them beyond, "thing that we dislike."
@@Moonpie124 "woke" as slang originated in the US, and was deemed negative by US conservatives. So yeah, anyone not in the US who claims to be "anti-woke" literally just got it from US conservative propagandists
I can say without a doubt, 100% of your points came through in the original video. I caught everything you reiterate in this video. But making this video is quite pointless because the commenters were not making any arguments in good faith. It's clear they just want to paint anyone who says something they don't like as wrong. Everyone thinks now that the image of their persona as it is depicted on "The Almighty Screen" is the most important thing in the world. It's so bad that if someone is told they misremembered something, they now believe it is because they're from an alternative universe. We are living in bonkers times. There's nothing wrong with being wrong or ignorant of some situation. No one goes through life without making mistakes and learning things. But many people will stop a video on the first half of a sentence to avoid feeling wrong only to miss the nuance that says that they aren't necessarily wrong.
Its true that this video might not have been necessary, but knowing jack, he probs just took it as a chance to reflect on things as he kinda always has. Which is healthy, if you're not taking the bad faith criticisms seriously. But also it is just funny. This is a good laugh at some silly lads
He HASN'T SEEN the new version! He admits it around 25:00. He's done TWO VIDEOS just critiquing and being criticized and reacting to the criticism...over CRAP HE HASN'T EVEN SEEN! The triggered by the previews blind review trend has to stop.
@@marthademovimaus5140 The original video was more about the concept of Wonka and his character/story, and how it functions with the context it already had. Talking about how things may or may not function the same way with new spins on them isn't as much of a "triggered blind review" situation. Felt much more in-depth than that to me at the very least.
@@juneaupaws1477 It's not just him. U2 bers are doing bogus reviews off previews left and right....the thumbnails are clickbait for views from an audience that want to know if a new show is good or not, when the so- called reviewers haven't actually seen it!!
The real mistake here is treating the TH-cam comment section for anything more than a zoo where you can watch the least sane individuals throw shit at each other
I find youtube comment sections to be generally pleasant places full of interesting viewpoints from pleasant people. I was really surprosed by this but I guess most videographers I watch moderate well or attract a good audience?
@@morgantrias3103 These days comments also seem to disappear if they get downvoted or reported enough. Maybe you might be lucky and either avoid controversial comment sections, or arrive late enough for them to be filtered out?
@@wowanothercookie Indeed! That still relies on the other comment section denizens being good enough to upvote good commentss and downvote shit ones. So still a win for my friends of the comment section. Taking out their own trash.
@@wowanothercookie That feels kind of fucked up if true. Wouldn't that feature be easily abusable by people with bad intentions and the willingness to organize?
The fact that his name has never been Ronald is really ruining my life so so much more than thinking critically about Matilda when I read it. I fucked up so bad reading his name as a kid I don't really know if I can recover from it
It's not the contents of the video, it's the fact that the viewer attention span keeps getting shorter and essay-type videos are most often played as background noise instead of listened to. This results in hearing a certain word and making "an educated assumption" on what is being said. And, of course, getting mad about it. On top of it, there's a gross amount of individuals that search for things like "wonka bad", hear you're not actually talking about the casting choices and, again, get mad. Sadly, the numbers of such people will always surpass the number of those that are specifically after the material you produce.
It's especially hilarious when someone makes one of those assumptions, comments about it, then gets corrected by someone who actually watched the video, only for them to go "Yeah, well, I commented that while I was watching the video!" ...Okay, so... don't do that then?
if so, that's really depressing. I cannot imagine not rewinding the video a dozen times to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that what I heard was actually what was said.. don't want to make a fool of myself. For some of us, self doubt can be crippling. For others... I'm beginning to think they could actually benefit from a little more doubt lol
I have a bet with myself that you'll explain your take on this movie a second time and a bunch of people will STILL comment that you're deluded... after not watching the video. This is just an internet disease or something.
@@mason96575 eh, I like the video. Even if it's an exercise in futility to be patient and understanding with people who just wanted to complain. 😂 engagement is good
hottest take is the one about crispin glover, you're so right about the tragedy there. he would have been perfect. i wish we'd gotten him instead of depp
Yes, and they can seriously mess you up, they can cause you to wake up paralyzed, can make it difficult to think even, and can really just mess you the f*ck up, and can ruin your entire life. I know this cause it happened to someone very dear and close to me, and it actually ruined their life for a couple of years. They're all better now, but it can genuinely ruin your life.
@@SamanDroid…no they don’t think it crawled in through her ear. They think she accidentally ate the parasite when it was an egg and it migrated through her body. Remember to wash your hands and your fresh food!
I didn't really get it, but I decided to just move on instead of getting mad about a concept I don't really understand. People are so sensitive nowadays
i didn't really get it bc english isn't my first language but it didn't really affect my enjoyment and uderstandment of the rest of the video, ppl are just so ridiculous it's unbelievable
@@melonstarzz It seemed to me that this was about the way white-washing was used in the OG Wonka video, which didn't describe POC roles getting replaced but rather the story being 'cleaned up'.
As an American I’m embarrassed to be an American with our conservatives being so loud and wrong. They have literal videos on tiktok saying they “had to act like a democrat to pass my college classes”… like..? So the facts go against you’re Republican values?.. idk I think that might be a sign… this is coming from someone who used to be a conservative until I LITERALLY just looked up the facts and got past my personal biases.😭😭
FYI not being hateful because I didn’t understanding different demographics of people has absolutely improved my mental state. Conservatives just need to touch paper and grass, or just their phones… we have credible websites just sitting there.💀
You get that there are facts; "X% of group A are in prison", and then there's the INTERPRETATION of those facts by the professor, who must be obeyed if you want to pass! Does the stat mean group A have criminal tendencies or does it mean the cops must be racist against group A? It's all up to the professor.
@@FeeshUnofficial you misunderstand: it ain't about researching the facts or what reality says. they don't care about that. "the facts" as they (mis)use them, are simply tools to enforce their ideals. if reality lines up neatly to what they believe(and it doesn't) then great! but if it doesn't, then that is simply an inconvenience at most. they don't hold the heinous beliefs they do because they're misguided, they pretend to be misguided because it's what they want to believe. in other words: they're fully aware that they're probably wrong about the nature of much of reality, but they don't care, because *they have an agenda.* their agenda is selfishness. that's all conservatism really is; selfishness applied as an ideology. surely some of them are simply ignorant and getting lost in the sauce. but don't make the mistake of thinking the majority of them are like that. they want what THEY want. period. reality should, and if they can help it--will, conform to their desires.
“However hard he worked, and however fast he screwed on the caps, was never able to make enough to buy one half of the things that so large a family needed.” Yeah, can't imagine how anyone could ever interpret anything relating to this book as being a little bit critical of some aspects of capitalism...
Im curious if the people who wrote it off as "woke" would have been as upset if the same phenomenon was described as "santitized" or something else other than "whitewashed". I feel like that kind of person can be completely on board with something but when certain words they've become trained to be mad at get mentioned they kinda turn their brain off and get mad.
That would be shit, just like Starship Troopers. Seriously, compare ST to Robocop and it's clear how genuinely great at satire was Robocop and ways the ads were mostly complementary while ST plot doesn't have that much elements in the main plot to be satirical and uses ads as a crunch, leaving us with typical B-action movie with satirical aspirations which mostly back fire, all the while gaining unearned praise due to directors cult of personality and some leftist inability to understand that if you have bugs who eat brain, it automatically takes away from satire on fascism because in that context you make their actions justified. Doesn't help that director barely read the thing and cut scenes that would make protagonist actually villainous, like the bombing on aliens.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Look up the word satire then look up the word parody. You need to take a few steps back and learn proper definitions and distinctions between words that are similar before you analyze media.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117If you can find the DVD edition, watch Starship Troopers with the director and writer commentary track enabled. Literally every frame is a satire of fascist art, it's quite a revelation.
The slang meaning of whitewashing has replaced the traditional, biblical meaning of "covering up a bad deed" in popular media. I bet most people under 20 have rarely even heard the word used properly, That's just low for this guy to say they have "worms in their brains" for assuming he meant the more common usage of whitewashing!
@@marthademovimaus5140it's not quite that low when you can realise there's no mention of race around the usages of "whitewashing", and no mention of race in th video as a whole
@@oatmeal5672 Get real. The slang meaning of whitewashing is about the only meaning being used in popular media these days! Plus, that's just pathetic AF that this guy can't even come up with a counter-argument, so he goes with the worms-in - brain insult and posts an article about worms ( unrelated to the argument) to make himself look "scientific"!
@@marthademovimaus5140 that doesn't change the fact that context clues exist. Obviously the most common use of it is race related but all it takes is looking at what he's saying, realising it's unrelated to race and then thinking "oh, maybe it's a different meaning". I agree that it's a little low to insult them for it, but it really wasn't an easy mistake to make, since all it would take to avoid it is paying attention.
@@marthademovimaus5140 to be fair you kinda do have to have worms in your brain to hear the word "whitewash" one (1) time in a video and immediately leave a comment complaining about how it offends you. like don't defend them they were being extremely silly :\
I loved your initial Wonka video! Sad you got so much flak for it. I like how so many people seem to look at Wonka like "he's just a man with a dream who built an empire! He's fun and magical and here to teach the kids lessons but he's not mean about it" and while some aspect of that may be true, i always think back to this book of short stories I read once that had a whole section on the author at the end. I can't remember word for word but it had pictures of some of his handwritten notes and the concept for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory simply read like "What if you had the most fantastic factory in the world but it was run by an absolute madman?" 😂 Like stories change in the drafts but seems like even Dahl thought Wonka was supposed to balance both wonder and threat.
I think a significant amount of what makes Dahl memorable as a children's author is his engagement with cruelty. The fantastical tyrants and gory comeuppances give it an edge that the whimsy wouldn't hold up by itself
The fact that you needed to make this video, proves to me that no matter how well you explain yourself without any outrageous takes, most people are just insanely dumb and were never taught how take in and literally understand larger pieces of media or information. They just hear one key word and have their opinions ready, not able to understand any type of context. Baffling, really.
I was among the many people who happened to discover your content with that video. I enjoyed it. Decided I'd definitely be checking out more of your work. Based on the type of negative feedback you're getting from the video I'm glad you're having fun with it. You can definitely tell the type of people who're reacting poorly. Many of those comments are telling.
The fact that your pretty interesting take on a capitalist nightmare story got slammed for being woke is a shame tbh because it wasn't particularly woke? I mean wtf even is woke. I'm tired of this buzzword being used as a label for something people dislike. I watched the original vid and thought it was really good. Honestly just keep up the good work.
As far as I was aware and taught, Woke meant low quality left-leaning writing that uses beliefs it doesn't actually believe in as a crutch, as a result of the gaming market trying to capitalize on the gamergate controversy. It's legitimately confusing to see it being used as a synonym for bad.
@@derpfluidvariant0916 Woke was originally used to keep people aware of the implied biases and discrimination in the US, of course it got cooped to mean anything that someone doesn't like.
You’ve changed, you’re daring, you’re different in the woods. More sure, more sharing, you’re getting us through the woods. If you could see you’re not the man who started And much more open hearted than I knew you to be (‘into the woods’ is my new special interest so I like that you went into the woods for this video)
It's weird to me how Elon stans will simultaneously hold these notions that Elon is a genius who is going to change the world but also that things he does are not anyone's business but his own and criticizing him is crossing some kind of line. Like, okay buddy, sure, but here''s the thing. I live in the world.
Wow, I thought that video was really interesting. I love it when people with a better imagination than me describe how they would rewrite films and books or what they would focus on differently. I'm always amazed by the creativity.
I can't believe people missed the point so hard. I thought it was a super interesting insightful video and got me to look at Willy Wonka in a way I never had before.
The word really doesn't mean anything anymore. One might say it lost it since it got stolen from black culture. I mean, it vaguely translates to "vaguely a centimetre left of me" which can be anything from climate change, a woman, a woman putting a pants, and anything and everything in between. TL;DR: "Woke" is a nothing word.
I think there was a very narrow period of time where people use it unironically. I think most people either use it jokingly now, or they don't understand where it started or that its mostly a joke term now and want to "destroy woke culture"
Running away from mean internet comments frantically while holding a small dog in the forest is the new vibe. Not up for debate. This is my personality now.
i think when it comes to the issue of having a problematic historic novel who's main demographic is children, the publisher should just make two edits of the books readily available. the original version goes in adult fiction, and the one that's sanded down a bit goes into kid's fiction. i can understand a teacher hesitating to have their class read the original charlie & the chocolate factory, the oompa loompas could be really upsetting to a child.
But the author is dead, and what happens in another 100 years when society changes again? And 200? Do we just edit and change everything, forever, to match what is currently acceptable?
The questions is what should be changed and how much ut should be changed. Another famous example is Pippi Longstocking. Almost every edition nowadays edits out the word "n*gro" and I can't really argue against that, especially when thinking about how the book nowadays will be presented mostly to mixed race classrooms. But on the other hand I can't help but feel how removal of that word "whitewashes" (in the sense of the word that Jack used^^) the colonialist fantasy of a white man ruling over black people at the heart of what is otherwise a progressive for its time book. Much like the editing of the Oompa Loompa Lore did for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Should that message instead be removed completely? Or should it be taken as an opportunity to talk about colonialism in a classroom setting? How much can you change a book before it becomes a different book altogether?
@@juliamavroidi8601 i also feel you on having a discussion on colonialism and the like in the classroom, it would be a good opportunity for it! and if teachers don't wanna get into colonialism in the classroom, they should pick a book that doesn't feature it in the first place. maybe the publisher can just skip the whole deal of rewriting a book and just add a warning to the start of the novel similar to those added to older animated shorts/movies with offensive content. in the end, its better to preserve the original text and teach its failings than to pretend it doesnt exist at all.
I'm a teacher, & the reading program I taught in recently added this book to its (already pretty problematic) curriculum. The fat phobia in particular was pretty rough, but the kids navigated our discussion really well. My conclusion is that there's a big difference between having a book that is available for children to read vs using that book to teach. Generally I'm against revising, censoring, or limiting children's access to books. But when choosing books specifically to teach with, there are so many incredible books out there that there's no reason to pick one you would have to modify. Every book is a snapshot of when it was written, & if we change them, we do kids a disservice by distorting the past. I think that ultimately makes kids more susceptible to the kinds of people who use nostalgia for an idealized past to manipulate them into regressive politics. A working knowledge of what norms were before your time is valuable, in my opinion. When selecting curricula, we have so many outstanding children's books for any purpose. Are we trying to teach basic reading skills? Then let's pick a book all the kids can enjoy without dated cheap shots at marginalized identities, because the kids in those groups are in the class as fellow participants, not subjects to be talked about-- if they've shown up as part of a reading curriculum, they deserve to have the same relaxed time working on their skills as the other kids. And when the book is being taught as a vehicle for this purpose, it comes with an implicit endorsement. But is it a class of slightly older kids who have mastered these skills & are ready for some deeper, more critical discussions? Is it a class whose purpose allows that to be a focus, so that enough time can be spent on it? In that case, a broader selection of excerpts to compare & contrast is of more value, imo, than a single text-- and of course, modifying or censoring them defeats the purpose. Developing all of these skills also requires a huge volume of free reading outside of class, so we let the books that don't work -- for whatever reason-- for a specific class setting stay in the library. Then kids can enjoy them to their heart's content, but we don't have to stress out a bunch of 9 year olds with depictions that make them feel like shit or have to break from fluency practice to talk about incidental racism.
@@DichotomousRexEverything has to be changed, adapted, and translated constantly to remain comprehensible... Unless you're reading the Bible or any other foreign book in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. you're relying on others to translate the messages for you. In fact, every time a scribe had to make a copy before printing became a thing, changes were sometimes made intentionally or intentionally based entirely on one individual's knowledge base.
I don’t think I’ve seen so much growth from a TH-camr as one who sees the feedback “save whitewashing shit for the end so you don’t lose consoomers” and then, taking this criticism to heart, says “look at these slugs! They’ve been ducking” in the last few seconds of this one.
The white washing thing is funny. White wash is a kind of cheap paint so thin it may as well be white water, hence the name. And it was used a lot as a cheap way to temporarily maintain the appearance of a fence or a building. New coats would need applied constantly to coverup the flaws or damage in the paint. So when someone says for example "history is a whitewash" what they're saying is that the way history is told paints over all of the flaws and imperfections really poorly. Now, has this term been used to describe white actors being cast in black or brown roles? Sure, but thats an outcropping of the original meaning. When people say that they're implying that to the white creators the black and brown people are the things being covered up and made invisible. And even funnier if you're an american who doesn’t know what whitewash is i have to assume you flunked english class because you didn't read mark twain and his iconic scene where tom sawyer cons all the other kids into white washing his fence for him.
If anything, whitewashing is what many would call "historical revisionism" (which does somewhat describe casting white actors to play the roles of POC since it basically alters history to make it more palatable to white supremacists). Hearing people get mad over a word that has been used for so many years is tiring, yet funny.
@devofficialchannel There is a Canadian woman who wants to change the term "white paper" because it might offend indigenous people. Now is a chance to prove you are not a hypocrite and equally mock your own side.
@@aaronmaas22 Has she offered any alternative names to "white paper"? And most of all, does she really think names of colours are offensive or has she given a long reason as to why she think it's offensive to indigenous people? (which again, it hard to actually find any other liberation group that has the same thinking)
I also see many articles that talk about Japan whitewashing its own Imperial history and they did use the term "whitewashing". So whitewashing is an overall "history is written by the winners".
@@devofficialchannel She wants to call them "position papers". It doesn't matter what sane arguments you have, it is a leftist power flex and they will proceed with eliminating the term no matter what you say. The conclusion has already been decided. Some idiot right leaning commenter who doesn't get the meaning of "whitewashing" is not the equivalent.
I think there's a based version of Wonka with a little nudge - one where Charlie doesn't accept the factory, tells Wonka to shove it and liberates the Loompas. Or one where Charlie accepting the factory isn't framed as positive. Ofc there's no saving the reboot, but not just because Chalamet or the Muskification imo, because Dahl's uniting thing is child-parent relationships so a young adult Wonka is cursed from conception. What if Matilda but like, sexy? I'd do it for Mara Wilson but so cursed.
What about a 3rd option where Charlie accepts it but then gives ownership of the factory to the oompa loompas as soon as he can I mean if he just flipped off Wonka he'd probably have all his winner stuff revoked, be kicked out then Wonka would be like "welp time to find a new heir ig" But either way, all power to the oompa loompa union
I like the idea of Charlie being a spy on the inside- pretending to want to take it over, but as soon as he's able to, he's gonna bounce and give the factory to the Oompa Loompas. Because like you said, if he'd flipped Wonka off straight away, Wonka's just gonna change his mind about the winner and find an heir more like the actual Charlie in the books- so it would make more sense for Charlie to get to a point where he knows he's able to basically bounce and let the Oompa Loompas take over. @@StormgemThunder
Honestly your responses to the anti woke brigade always being you enjoying nature and your family and literally touching grass is always so funny to me idk if it's always intentional but it's great
In general, I enjoyed the essay, and the only slight issue I took is the implication that Dahl didn't understand capitalistic implications of his own story. In the book, the father had a miserable, boring job in a toothpaste squeezing factory, and honest, true Charlie is constantly compared to characters going hog wild with greed and consumption. But of course it's a story written for children, without the adult implications spelled out.
No disrespect, but I don't understand why you thought that was implied. He talks in the video about how the commentary on capitalism is there in the source material.
I found you through the Wonka video and must say im impressed and intrigued by what else you will cover on the channel. You speak calmly, and cite sources often like, what's not to love?
Watching a video that’s intellectually over your head, refusing to google a word you don’t understand, inventing a new definition that no one uses and then getting mad at the creator because you’re upset about something you imagined in your head while watching their video is a slippery slope to cringe. In this essay, I will explain my case for why TH-cam needs proficiency tests for viewing content-
To be fair, how often do you hear about people painting an object white, compared to Twitter drama? Edit: zoinks I completely forgot that it could also refer to the sanding down of edgier story telling. Yeah, honestly not surprised if the people making those comments were younger then. Every English teacher I've had would've used the term bowdlerize.
God it must be hard being conservative. Imagine having all of the privilege and rights to yourself, yet still not being able to enjoy that because you saw a gay person on tv
They had gay people on TV for a long time, the shows were enjoyable because they didn't make the characters obnoxious, but I'm glad the pebbles enjoy today's filth. Do you need to simplify things to that degree to feel victimised?
@@sushilampa8287 Why do all zoomer pebbles talk this way? So devoid of any sense of self even down to how you write. It's repulsive to read. Where did I victimise myself? Stating reality is victimisation? Of whom?
23:36 - "Have you considered learning a second word you fucking NPCs" is one of the mightiest, juiciest, most satisfying-to-hear takedowns of offensive meme-commenters that I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.
Honestly, a movie about Wonka should literally be such an easy look at a corporate product but because it’s easy to just hire Leonardo Jr. (not in the sense of you know) and bring his super fans to fill seats this seems to be depressing
This video has convinced me i need to start commenting batshit takes in order for them to be addressed in a video in order to feed my deep seated pathological desire to be acknowledged by strangers on the internet
Concerning the Capitalism Bad segment, I believe that Willy Wonka a bit of an oxymoron. It’s not that capitalists can’t be creative, but the most creative, well-spoken people I’ve met and even heard about either don’t have an opinion on capitalism or are against it. Capitalism is the status quo and art is created by /subverting/ the status quo, because art with political and social commentary is meant to change something or have some sort of impact. If there is no status quo subversion, then in my opinion, the art will suffer.
TH-cam comments section always has something crazy. Like, I can't believe that one dude gave you fucking business advice? "Hey, put the WOKE at the end, you'll make more money that way you soy boy😡😡😤" Like, he's telling you his disgust for you, but also trying to give you a hand? Just wild.
I don’t know why I don’t watch your videos right when they come out; you are so funny. Not to make fun of… like genuine dry humor that makes me laugh out loud. Good luck in hiding. 😸
its fun to think about the Everlasting Gobstopper, right? its a candy to last a poor kid forever. Its this one note thing. like i dont remember what it tastes like, but as far as texture goes, its gonna be hard candy. there's still other desires to be had, and those, well those can be bought. theres no Everlasting nougat, or malt balls, or caramels, etc- just the gobstopper. so like, would it not have just been more efficient to just mass produce Normallasting Gobstoppers and then sell them at a slight loss? cus like, if you sell an infinite candy, it would only need to be replaced when its swallowed or lost. (Note: um, you dont *have* to get a new one if you swallow it...) but its for poor kids, so the price point has to be affordable so a poor kid can buy it. but like, its not about helping the poors, is it? its about the spectacle and pride of having made such a thing. not to get all Jack Saint about it, but that is just such a rich asshole move. "i make the electric cars so save environment its future!" no, you don't care about the environment, you just want to be the one who owns the Everlasting Gobstopper. its all spectacle, its all about being the one who created this amazing property and who solely owns it. If he really cared about poor kids, he'd just open source the creation method for EGs so that any factory could make them. like, even if the other factories did start making them, and decided to jack up the price, someone else would make them slightly cheaper. or hell, no one would bother creating an infinite candy that the creation process is openly available. or double hell, if wonka still cared, he could just always have the product available for as cheap as he cared to stock it. He's 100% losing money on it anyway, what point is there even to charging for it, or being the sole owner of the method? it drives me mad
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im with you, but they are right about a few things lol. you seem to only look at the bad side of things..
Like Elon, im not a fan of him at all, but i can not deny that he has made some great things happen
I love how you take destructive criticism and turn it into smart talking points but I disagree with you in a litlle thing, you can ALWAYS demonize capitalism!
@@c64116Great things done intentionally for the benefit of all?
umm tbh i live on a third rate country where your salary is just enough to pay your bills and meal for a week or days.
Elon dumb
Stanning a billionaire is like the saddest shit ever.
I remember getting into an argument with grown men on Facebook cos I thought a maximum wage was a good idea since it would mean CEOs would be forced to put the rest of the money into the business and paying their employees a livable wage. The billionaire stans were acting like suggesting such a thing was the same as taking money from a struggling business...
and the replies that were like "oh yeah well Jeff Bezoes and Bill Gates are bad too, how bout THAT!" are even more depressing, it's like they think he just stans *different* billionaires and literally can't conceive of not liking billionaires at all.
it's not sad it's just plain stupid
Your Wonka video was the first one of yours I’ve ever seen. Accurate critique I thought. Love your lean-to.
I absolutely agree that undue criticism should not be hurled at billionaires (or you know... anyone), but the people who defend people like Musk or Trump don't only go after 'undue' criticism.
They seem to think any critique of these people is a personal attack on them.
The problem with Mr. Beast has nothing to do with what Mr. Beast is doing or who he is. The problem is that people in the richest country in the world should not need to depend or hope for the generosity of one rich person to get their essential needs met. It is easy to take these feel-good stories of people getting their needs met at face value, and not see the (usually very solvable) problem that led those people to need charity to begin with, or worse use these examples of charity as evidence that societal change isn't needed. For example, Mr. Beast did an amazing thing by paying for 1,000 people's cataract surgery and giving their sight back. However, according the the CDC, of the 20 million people over 40 who have cataracts in at least one eye, only about 6.1 million are able to get the recommended surgical treatment (about 30 percent). Millions of people are suffering because they can't get a simple surgery without being put into years or decades of medical debt. This problem cannot be solved by individual charity- it needs to be done by societal change.
I'm always reminded of this one tweet: Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used
He sold NFTs and crypto,. That's enough for me to decide he's garbage.
Ffs I was going to comment exactly that.
Perhaps those orphans need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and out of the orphan crushing machine. Sadly, as they are orphans, they have neither boots nor straps. But, all is not lost, gentlemen! The tears of crying children are the lubricant of the wheels of modern commerce.
Yes but you do have to remember several things about Mr. Beast.
1. Mr. Beast pushes his charities onto poor people who can't use his donations, like the father who said he can't pay for electricity as Mr Beast pushes Iphones onto him.
And Mr. Beast makes an entertainment about how poor people are while tooting his horn on how charitable he is...even though he often misses the mark about their needs.
Most of the time, Mr. Beast uses people's desperation to win prize money (only 1 winner in his own Squid Games) and he doesn't pay them for appearing on his TH-cam channel.
And importantly, Mr Beast has never said what percentage of the donations goes to people in need.
2. Mr Beast likes to greenwash in his Team Trees campaign and Team Seas,
Team Trees used to work for Arbor Day Foundation which supports are from oil, energy and plastic corporates. ADF doesn't tell anyone whether those trees are still living, what type they are (nilly willy planting can destroy eco-systems) and that's only in the US. In other countries listed, Team Trees does not list which organizations they work with.
Team Seas clean up instead of cleaning up what's already in the ocean, it's better to clean up the rivers BEFORE the trash hits the ocean which is a lot more effective in efficiency and cost. Also make legislation to punish corporates that dump into the ocean (a percentage of their earnings, not measly sums) is far better that getting 1 million USD from a plastic bottle company (1 such donater in Mr Beast's Team Seas but others are also oil & energy companies) which is patting themselves on the back and pretend to be so "green" while not making any effort to change themselves.
Mr Beast is a defender that "capitalism is good" when everything is just hypocrisy and pretense to not improve societies. He's literally paid by corporates.
Oh and I forgot 1 thing, remember that CSGO lotto? Mr Beast was 1 of the investors of that scammy website.
The best thing about Wonka for me as a Russian is the fact that with that writing style "Wonka" really looks like "Жопка" which means "a little ass".
kxopka
@@Somebodyherefornowu cant pronounce Ж in english XD
This is too woke for me
NOOO I CANT UNSEE IT NOW WHY
@@leoalpha5429 because it’s funny
The fact that your anti-woke viewers are suggesting that you save the “woke content” for the end to create some sort of safe … region … where they won’t get … stirred … is pretty deep into indistinguishable parody
i dont know why theyre even watching the video or how they found it😭
its so ironic honestly the jokes write themselves
a sort of secure area, if you will.
@@amordesdemona A sealed volume, perhaps?
@@drvurruct2274 maybe a shielded venue?
Jack is literally one of the most mellow and tactful TH-camrs. If you’re getting mad about that then idk what pickled your cucumber.
I thought the Wonka video was really well made, didn't think there was anything to be mad about. Watched it about 3 times since he uploaded it
I liked this just for the phrase 'pickled your cucumber' lol
@@KaleighCeeThey said "pickle your cucumber". Funniest comment I've ever read
man, they have nothing better to do with their lives than this, what do you expect? 😔
more like the most Yellow youtuber goteeeeeeem
I love how conservatives like to co-opt progressive language but only to serve their interests instead of actually understanding what they mean. Saying that there is "alot of bigotry towards successful people these days," as if mean words on the internet are really gonna do anything to mark their life. I'm sure elon and all the other "successful" people are going to be so hurt by a YTber criticizing their morals. The woke mob is simply this unstoppable force that not even the highest of high can escape from.
They don't even get anything from this, they do this for free. It reminds me of this saying where, "The left never really got off in america cause everyone thinks they're just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire." And I think this rings true here. They've all been so invested in the system and believing they have a chance, that any criticism towards a rich person/system itself is like criticizing their own life choices. If the capitalist dream is a myth that only a lucky few can participate in, then a HUGE chunk of their life has been wasted in pursuit of it. That's a hard thing for people to accept.
Perfectly said
Righties do it for free
I remember when one of my local manufacturing plants went on strike, one of my friends who was scarcely 20 was talking about how unreasonable the union was being and how they were asking for too much. As if he'd know.
We are trained to have cognitive dissonance: to identify with the more affluent owner or managerial class, and to show up to work every day for our wages. If this dissonance didn't exist, we would be more able to face up to our reality as workers (which isn't fun, kinda grim really) and be more empowered to act in our interests, and get what we really want out of life.
i don't think most people really believe they'll one day be the ones at the top
some may believe that one day some of their descendants might slowly scale that ladder, but really the propaganda machine of neoliberalism has just inflicted most with a deeply held belief that there NEEDS to be people at the top and that the people at the top DESERVE to be there in some way
natural hierarchy, consider the lobster, etc etc
"It's a movie it's not that deep" why are people so anti-thinking?
"it's not that deep" mfs when they learn about symbolism:
seriously the worst type of people
Because they can't think, so they get upset when others do It.
They hated high school English class and now they're making their grudge everyone else's problem
I want to force those people to critically analyse like, any film they watch.
Christ almighty, those comments were unhinged.
Lol at the "Cheap jab at Elon Musk" comment. Like his mere existence isn't a joke.
Simping for billionaires
@@Tacom4ster the absolute *coolest* way to spend your hard-earned free-time after a working all day: simpin' for the boss! Ohhh yeah 😎
There's a reason I despair when I'm at a dickriding contest and an Elon Musk simp enters
@@idontwantahandlethoughif we win enough Internet Points, Space Daddy might shoot us to a new planet when we’re done ruining this one!
at least jokes are meant to be funny
I desperately wish my biggest problems in life were seeing black people in movie trailers and deciding that it's a woke mob out to get me
life must be good for those people, financially at least
my life would actually be so much easier
First world problem
I wish my biggest problem in my life was choosing which gender I was gonna be 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pablogarcia6188 as a trans person, thats not our biggest problem lmao
This is very amusing to me because as a non-native English speaker, I sort of took for granted that the term whitewashing had some other connotation I wasn't familiar with.
Oh yeah, it's actually a pretty fun example of "semantic progression": Originally, white-washing referred to using a mixture of lime dust and water (whitewash) to make things white. Specifically, whitewash was cheaper than paint, and slightly anti-bacterial, so it was used in like, cheap housing for the poor, or working buildings like dairy sheds, slaughterhouses, barns, etc.
So this idea sprang up that a lot of these places were hiding sloppiness or bad practices by just throwing cheap white-wash over them/the need of "whitewash" to tidy up something that's getting somewhat questionable or complicated: it doesn't have to be complicated if it's just blank white. This becomes a political and social metaphor, and stays that way for about 200 years.
Then, in the last 10 or 15 years (the earliest I've found is a Smithsonian article from 2012 that hints at the idea without directly using it*) the phrase gets a new meaning, referring to Hollywood casting white actors to portray roles that "should" go to actors of color, as part of a complicated re-inspection of race in Hollywood that was growing in awareness at the time, with the obvious parallel or literally making something white serving as the metaphorical anchor.
@@AllWIllFall2MeI appreciate your comment. Very well thought-out and explained.
In my language (Dutch) white-washing (witwassen) means money laundering and I didn't know it meant white actors playing non-white characters.
As a native monolingual English speaker, neither did I tbh
Off topic but I like ur pfp lol 💯
how can somebody genuinely consume any media about willy Wonka and say "no this has nothing to do with capitalism"
the "why are you trying to force anti-capitalism into Wonka?" is like the "why are they making Star Treck woke now?" takes
"I hope they don't ruin Cyberpunk with politics."
"Star Wars is too political"
“call of duty doesn’t have anything to do with politics what do you mean”
"fallout is an apolitical game"
"Why does FF7 have an environmental message?"
It seems so tiring to be a conservative. People joke about leftists never enjoying things but I can't imagine losing my mind because I heard a youtuber say the word "white". Like these people legitimately get upset and seemingly have their day ruined by so much as hearing the word.
I watched a grown man have a literal screaming meltdown because the videogame Starfield had the woke mind virus to... ask you if you prefer he/she/they pronouns during character creator. That was it. That was enough to make them scream until they were hoarse, on camera, posting to the world how mad they were.
the more you interact with them the more you start to realize that nothing actually matters to them except getting a reaction out of you, they hold no actual positions or beliefs except hurting the people they don't like and they will say or do anything no matter how contradictory or self-defeating it is
I agree. Lets have a velvet divorce. Easy enough you only make laws that apply to your people, we only make laws that apply to ours. Easy and we can never talk to each other again.
That's why im only friends with people that dont care about politics.
@@trouty606it’s the same with people complaining about Baldur’s Gate having the ability to have gay/lesbian romances. Like that really showed me the level of crybaby some of these guys have. To think that a story is “ruined” because it gives you a choice to be non-straight is just so strange. Like if you don’t want to play a gay guy then just, don’t. There’s nothing stopping you from having a relationship with Shadowheart, or the two other female companions in the game. To swipe away hours of genius storytelling and game mechanics because of the gay is just idiotic.
As someone with a yellow lampshade lamp in their room who has wanted to take photos in said room, I feel your jaundiced pain. First video was great, so was this, Elon fan boys never fail to amaze and disappoint me. And I would 100% watch a Mr. Beast Wonka movie.
Willy Beast*
My Walls are orange, the last owner decided sherbert orange was a fantastic wall color and I hate them. I want to paint them but dealing with the furniture is a pain and I don't feel like it
It'll never not be hilarious that conservatives will whine for WEEKS on end about movies that they think are "woke", and the majority of the time have no complaints other than "woke", "feminist", "anti white", "degenerate", "harmful to kids", but any time anyone on the left, or just not conservative, makes maybe one video discussing a movie/franchise in full, they go INSANE. They talk about free speech all the time but they cannot handle people actually speaking freely or intelligently about something. They just listen for buzzwords that make them angry, regardless of whatever context is attached, screech about how they feel personally threatened in the comments, and click off the video instead of actually paying attention to anything. It's so hypocritical.
It's mainly American republicans along with some people on the right from other countries who have spent too long in internet spaces filled with American Republicans.
The party is a joke to anyone who's remotely sane, to the point that some of them are now threatening violence if Trump goes to prison, and a lot of companies and campaign groups that represent them made a 900+ page document essentially detailing a takeover plan of the USA, and a Nazi-germany-like manhunt for LGBT people if they get elected in 2024. Because I guess if they can't be loved, fear is a good enough substitute for them.
also I don't think I've ever seen an actual thoughtful video from conservatives about any one piece of media like the ones Jack (or others) does. and I've never seen a leftist scream and cry about them the same way conservatives do
What if I just wanna watch a video and don't want it to be political.
I'm not agreeing with THOSE people
And I'm not agreeing with the other people
Weather you're an asshole or not, I'm fucking tired of terms like "leftist" and "conservative"
It's so annoying
@@cherricake1796 Then don't watch political content! Hope this helped!
@@cherricake1796 Are you also tired of hearing about "realists" and "idealists" in video essays discussing international relations? Or maybe the dreadful "empiricists" and "rationalists" in discussions of epistemology?
Just a hint for yah here bucko, if I were tired of hearing about Manchester City and Bayern Munich, I would simply not watch videos about about the top tier of football ;)
I'm never forgiving the American right for destroying the actual meaning of the word "woke" and turning it into "thing I don't like"
In America- it was the left that turned woke into being aware of injustices to being identity politics and fighting things I don’t like. U have it backwards
Just keep on using it in a positive way, we still say in the black community way before it was codified by racist white people who turned it into what it is now "thing I don't like(usually black)"
I thought they turned it into a term for "Help I'm a mental deficient that convinced myself that I am a free thinker and now my brain is sliding out of my ear"
They also totally corrupted the entire idea of free thought. It was once something meant to question things. Now it's an excuse to not listen to anything you don't want to hear. 😢
@lolafierling2154 any time one of those dumbass anti woke morons says that theyre a free thinker, I ask them if they're in the market for these magic beans I have.
I hope the Wonka movie takes a sharp left turn midway through and pivots from Willy's origin of chocolate making and sellingto Willy's origin of gaslighting and monopolizing
He’s a twist villain while being the main protagonist is a funny idea.
This would be an amazing subversion of expectations, but I highly doubt it will happen in reality bc big corporations are usually terrified to include capitalism evil messages in their works because they'd immediately get called out for hypocrisy. The lorax movie has an unused song called "biggering" thats like a dramatic rock ballad of the onceler becoming corrupted by greed and losing his morality, but they replaced it with "how bad can I be" which is this cutesy, goofy, sanitized version of the same idea. I think the moviemakers felt it was too realistic, and what we ended up with is a joke of a movie. I feel like Wonka will end up in a similar way. We could have this plot twist where a simple man with a dream becomes corrupted by his greed for financial success and fame, but instead well probably get a fluffy inspiration p*rn movie that washes out any traces of the exploitation we all recognize the character to avoid making audiences uncomfortable or question things like labor ethics that the moviemakers themselves are guilty of :/
@@AqueerianLeo So…just go back and watch gene wilder act his heart out and just watch the original short animated Lorax film from the 70s?
Honestly, if it was a Lorax Willy Wonka movie with a bad ending it’d be great.
like the movie is Willy discovering his love of making and selling candy, then getting corrupted by greed to the point of enslaving an entire group of Oompa Loompas because their original jungle home was destroyed when he built the giant chocolate castle for that one Indian king, and so he “offered” them the “choice” to come work with him when the castle inevitably melted, then it cuts to him much older at the top of his factory realizing how much he’s ruined the world by enabling spoiled brats and a corrupt industrial culture, and eventually ending with a shot of Charlie getting the golden ticket, leaving us with the grim sadness of the terrible deeds a once young and inspired Willy Wonka did but also an optimistic hope for the future that comes with a new young and inspired Charlie.
But nah, it’ll probably just be a Fantastic Beasts knock-off where Willy Wonka does nothing wrong.
@DownTrodded well why even do a remake if your choosing to take out everything that made the original piece memorable? Oh right, using a preexisting title means financial success, the same greed these media were criticizing, if you replaced the environment/labor aspect with creative integrity
Everybody asks if Jack Saint was wrong about Wonka, but nobody ever asks if he was wonk about Wrongka smh
Wronga* since the "wrong" is replaced with "wonk" 🤓🤓
Cringe go off
Cringe go on
I hate how funny I think this is
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“I’d recommend removing the slur from the comment and reposting it” how far have we fallen to get to this point where this needs to be said 💀
it's also funny cause the slur was the whole comment 💀
So do you agree with the 1950s censorship policies that removed all violence, drugs, and swearing from TV and movies?
@@reilysmith5187you can make a point with violence sex and drugs, if you need a slur to make your point, your point is not worth saying
he says it so matter of factly, a truly masterful approach to that kind of dumb shit lol
@@nonymouswisp8176Then you fall into some Orwellian BS of controlling thought through controlling language. Who gets to head the Department of Slurs and decide who's allowed to speak their mind?
In one example, a girl who got in a fight on a bus said she was called racial slurs, such as "whale" which is "a large black mammal". That's an insult about weight, not race.
I will never understand Elon bros. Like, do y'all even realize you're embarrassing yourselves?
It's bad enough to stan a billionaire, but they really had to stan the WORST one huh 💀
Almost as much as Elon embarrasses himself on the daily
@sophitiaofhyrule I mean they could be unironically pro-koch brothers
The comment about Jewish people really struck me as odd. I can't believe how many people believe that all Jewish people actually dislike non-Jewish people. My best friend is Jewish and ever since I was young, her family has been the kindest, inviting me to all sorts of important celebrations (like her Bat Mitzvah) without ever pushing the religion itself on to me.
EDIT: I understand that anti-semitism is very widespread, and comments like this are just a product of people being racist. I'm just commenting on how you can always tell that people like this have never actually had any real relationships with Jewish people, nor have they tried.
Smart people + in-group preference = a lot of rich jews. people get jealous.
Anti-semites just wanna be oppressed so bad so they can have something to whine about
@@jextra1313a tale as old as nazi
did you know the talmud says gentiles cant eat with jews?
should be treated more like cattle than fellow men?
and murdering them is no different than killing an animal?
how about the fact Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 says gentiles are lesser than dogs?
Some people think Jewish people are like, a big scary imaginary entity and not just folks that you see and hang around with who have a religion and an ethnicity just like most people do. It's weird. They've gotta be stuck in a pretty serious echo chamber.
Conservatives getting triggered is sure really common for how much they complain about people being triggered by sth
Lol Jack’s out here asking conservatives to listen, reflect and maybe even hold onto more than one thought at once. God speed my friend.
I wish him all the luck, and hope he can at least reach one with that message, but I expect nothing.
It’s like asking a chihuahua to ace a calculus test
He's being petty. The slang meaning of whitewashing has replaced the traditional, biblical meaning of "covering up a bad deed" in popular media. I bet most people under 20 have rarely even heard the word used properly, That's just low for this guy to say they have "worms in their brains" for assuming he meant the more common usage of whitewashing!
@@marthademovimaus5140 weird how using a popular character to whitewash slavery doesn’t fall under your own definition. Not surprising but telling.
@@yeoldegunporn What are you talking about? I'm saying that words can have two meanings and that popular meanings shift. Would you tell a zoomer his head was "full of worms" because he didn't get that you meant someone was "happy and carefree" when you called them gay?
The Internet really is an Insane Asylum that anyone can join
joker moment!
Why didn't he just turn off the internet? Is he stupid?
joker moment!
Considering most people have a presence online, we can determine that this is just the general population talking out loud.
joker moment!
People that hear the term "whitewashing" and immediately cry "wOkE!" are 100% Americans. 😂
Nah man a lot of people from other place's probably do that to
I genuinely wish that were true but the brain poison that is the 'woke is all the things I am told to dislike' has spread waaaay past America at this point. Canada, Australia, the UK, basically any Eastern European country, tons of people across Western Europe. It's become a chud rallying cry because it's got no actual definition to them beyond, "thing that we dislike."
It's probably the English, they're usually bitching about something imagined
@@Moonpie124 "woke" as slang originated in the US, and was deemed negative by US conservatives.
So yeah, anyone not in the US who claims to be "anti-woke" literally just got it from US conservative propagandists
@@Moonpie124 Can we assume that you're also American?
I can say without a doubt, 100% of your points came through in the original video. I caught everything you reiterate in this video. But making this video is quite pointless because the commenters were not making any arguments in good faith.
It's clear they just want to paint anyone who says something they don't like as wrong. Everyone thinks now that the image of their persona as it is depicted on "The Almighty Screen" is the most important thing in the world. It's so bad that if someone is told they misremembered something, they now believe it is because they're from an alternative universe.
We are living in bonkers times. There's nothing wrong with being wrong or ignorant of some situation. No one goes through life without making mistakes and learning things. But many people will stop a video on the first half of a sentence to avoid feeling wrong only to miss the nuance that says that they aren't necessarily wrong.
Its true that this video might not have been necessary, but knowing jack, he probs just took it as a chance to reflect on things as he kinda always has. Which is healthy, if you're not taking the bad faith criticisms seriously.
But also it is just funny. This is a good laugh at some silly lads
I don't know, the yellow criticism raises some important points
He HASN'T SEEN the new version! He admits it around 25:00. He's done TWO VIDEOS just critiquing and being criticized and reacting to the criticism...over CRAP HE HASN'T EVEN SEEN!
The triggered by the previews blind review trend has to stop.
@@marthademovimaus5140 The original video was more about the concept of Wonka and his character/story, and how it functions with the context it already had. Talking about how things may or may not function the same way with new spins on them isn't as much of a "triggered blind review" situation. Felt much more in-depth than that to me at the very least.
@@juneaupaws1477 It's not just him. U2 bers are doing bogus reviews off previews left and right....the thumbnails are clickbait for views from an audience that want to know if a new show is good or not, when the so- called reviewers haven't actually seen it!!
The real mistake here is treating the TH-cam comment section for anything more than a zoo where you can watch the least sane individuals throw shit at each other
I find youtube comment sections to be generally pleasant places full of interesting viewpoints from pleasant people. I was really surprosed by this but I guess most videographers I watch moderate well or attract a good audience?
@@morgantrias3103 These days comments also seem to disappear if they get downvoted or reported enough. Maybe you might be lucky and either avoid controversial comment sections, or arrive late enough for them to be filtered out?
@@wowanothercookie Indeed! That still relies on the other comment section denizens being good enough to upvote good commentss and downvote shit ones. So still a win for my friends of the comment section. Taking out their own trash.
@@wowanothercookie That feels kind of fucked up if true. Wouldn't that feature be easily abusable by people with bad intentions and the willingness to organize?
Beware of "anti-woke" crybabies! They need to tell you who you can be and who you can be with.
The fact that his name has never been Ronald is really ruining my life so so much more than thinking critically about Matilda when I read it. I fucked up so bad reading his name as a kid I don't really know if I can recover from it
It's not the contents of the video, it's the fact that the viewer attention span keeps getting shorter and essay-type videos are most often played as background noise instead of listened to. This results in hearing a certain word and making "an educated assumption" on what is being said. And, of course, getting mad about it. On top of it, there's a gross amount of individuals that search for things like "wonka bad", hear you're not actually talking about the casting choices and, again, get mad. Sadly, the numbers of such people will always surpass the number of those that are specifically after the material you produce.
It's especially hilarious when someone makes one of those assumptions, comments about it, then gets corrected by someone who actually watched the video, only for them to go "Yeah, well, I commented that while I was watching the video!"
...Okay, so... don't do that then?
if so, that's really depressing. I cannot imagine not rewinding the video a dozen times to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that what I heard was actually what was said.. don't want to make a fool of myself.
For some of us, self doubt can be crippling. For others... I'm beginning to think they could actually benefit from a little more doubt lol
@@idontwantahandlethough I find myself thinking that last part all the time
I have a bet with myself that you'll explain your take on this movie a second time and a bunch of people will STILL comment that you're deluded... after not watching the video. This is just an internet disease or something.
Exactly... he shouldn't give in to the trolls like this.
@@mason96575 eh, I like the video. Even if it's an exercise in futility to be patient and understanding with people who just wanted to complain. 😂 engagement is good
Yup ! It won’t matter , they already chose to be offended so they will be regardless
I thought your take on Wonka was thought-provoking. Keep it up!
I agree, it inspired me to do a paper on the character for an assignment
same, i enjoyed it
@@thelenbax8497 Hope the paper goes well! Good luck!
@@corican thanks!
that's why so many ppl got mad, you see, the act of "thinking" is just so absurd and such a wild and disrespectful thing to do! (irony)
hottest take is the one about crispin glover, you're so right about the tragedy there. he would have been perfect. i wish we'd gotten him instead of depp
Gotta admire Jack for trying to give a thoughtful response to people who hate critical thinking. I'd just point and laugh.
There can be worm in my brain? Thanks for that new fear/anxiety Jack!
Yes, and they can seriously mess you up, they can cause you to wake up paralyzed, can make it difficult to think even, and can really just mess you the f*ck up, and can ruin your entire life. I know this cause it happened to someone very dear and close to me, and it actually ruined their life for a couple of years. They're all better now, but it can genuinely ruin your life.
She had brain fog for years before they found the worm that they assumed crawled in through her ear.
So think about that every time you forget a word
baldur's gate 3 is a fun simulation of this scenario!
@@SamanDroid…no they don’t think it crawled in through her ear. They think she accidentally ate the parasite when it was an egg and it migrated through her body. Remember to wash your hands and your fresh food!
Dude I totally got what you meant by whitewashing. Crazy that people get so offended & can't pick up on context clues
I didn't really get it, but I decided to just move on instead of getting mad about a concept I don't really understand. People are so sensitive nowadays
Conservatives tend to have negative media literacy
@@jackalexande the concept is pretty important tho cause like, the erasure of non-poc is ignorant lol
i didn't really get it bc english isn't my first language but it didn't really affect my enjoyment and uderstandment of the rest of the video, ppl are just so ridiculous it's unbelievable
@@melonstarzz It seemed to me that this was about the way white-washing was used in the OG Wonka video, which didn't describe POC roles getting replaced but rather the story being 'cleaned up'.
As an American I’m embarrassed to be an American with our conservatives being so loud and wrong. They have literal videos on tiktok saying they “had to act like a democrat to pass my college classes”… like..? So the facts go against you’re Republican values?.. idk I think that might be a sign… this is coming from someone who used to be a conservative until I LITERALLY just looked up the facts and got past my personal biases.😭😭
FYI not being hateful because I didn’t understanding different demographics of people has absolutely improved my mental state. Conservatives just need to touch paper and grass, or just their phones… we have credible websites just sitting there.💀
@@Cicada11011it always baffles me how wilfully bad at research US conservatives are
You get that there are facts; "X% of group A are in prison", and then there's the INTERPRETATION of those facts by the professor, who must be obeyed if you want to pass! Does the stat mean group A have criminal tendencies or does it mean the cops must be racist against group A? It's all up to the professor.
@@FeeshUnofficial you misunderstand: it ain't about researching the facts or what reality says. they don't care about that. "the facts" as they (mis)use them, are simply tools to enforce their ideals. if reality lines up neatly to what they believe(and it doesn't) then great! but if it doesn't, then that is simply an inconvenience at most. they don't hold the heinous beliefs they do because they're misguided, they pretend to be misguided because it's what they want to believe.
in other words: they're fully aware that they're probably wrong about the nature of much of reality, but they don't care, because *they have an agenda.* their agenda is selfishness. that's all conservatism really is; selfishness applied as an ideology.
surely some of them are simply ignorant and getting lost in the sauce. but don't make the mistake of thinking the majority of them are like that. they want what THEY want. period. reality should, and if they can help it--will, conform to their desires.
“However hard he worked, and however fast he screwed on the caps, was never able to make enough to buy one half of the things that so large a family needed.”
Yeah, can't imagine how anyone could ever interpret anything relating to this book as being a little bit critical of some aspects of capitalism...
You don't need to try hiding that much, since they won't go anywhere near any grass. side-note: I appreciate the use of ds1 music throughout the video
Bahaha 😂
“It’s not that deep” is the new “Let people enjoy things”
There was nothing in his review that even implied that it was deep. People just have a really low bar for “deep fiction” I guess
@@Slater2113 they're version of deep is realising a band called "rage against the machine" is anti-establishment
True depth is realising Rage Against the Machine are part of the system.
it's just explicit anti-intellectualism, it's denying art the capability to have meaning. Folding Ideas has a great video on Annihilation about it.
Funny thing is that it ain't even deep. The themes, morals and messaging are often blatant, but some people will still miss the point anyways.
Im curious if the people who wrote it off as "woke" would have been as upset if the same phenomenon was described as "santitized" or something else other than "whitewashed". I feel like that kind of person can be completely on board with something but when certain words they've become trained to be mad at get mentioned they kinda turn their brain off and get mad.
Thinking whitewashing necessarily has something to do with race is a bit like thinking greenwashing literally means turning things green .
Greenwashing is casting Martians in traditionally white roles
Paul Verhoeven should adapt the book as a satire like Starship Troopers
This is the way the clear path forward.
That would be shit, just like Starship Troopers. Seriously, compare ST to Robocop and it's clear how genuinely great at satire was Robocop and ways the ads were mostly complementary while ST plot doesn't have that much elements in the main plot to be satirical and uses ads as a crunch, leaving us with typical B-action movie with satirical aspirations which mostly back fire, all the while gaining unearned praise due to directors cult of personality and some leftist inability to understand that if you have bugs who eat brain, it automatically takes away from satire on fascism because in that context you make their actions justified. Doesn't help that director barely read the thing and cut scenes that would make protagonist actually villainous, like the bombing on aliens.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Look up the word satire then look up the word parody.
You need to take a few steps back and learn proper definitions and distinctions between words that are similar before you analyze media.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117If you can find the DVD edition, watch Starship Troopers with the director and writer commentary track enabled. Literally every frame is a satire of fascist art, it's quite a revelation.
How have they never heard "whitewashing" be used outside of a racial context lmao
The slang meaning of whitewashing has replaced the traditional, biblical meaning of "covering up a bad deed" in popular media. I bet most people under 20 have rarely even heard the word used properly, That's just low for this guy to say they have "worms in their brains" for assuming he meant the more common usage of whitewashing!
@@marthademovimaus5140it's not quite that low when you can realise there's no mention of race around the usages of "whitewashing", and no mention of race in th video as a whole
@@oatmeal5672 Get real. The slang meaning of whitewashing is about the only meaning being used in popular media these days! Plus, that's just pathetic AF that this guy can't even come up with a counter-argument, so he goes with the worms-in - brain insult and posts an article about worms ( unrelated to the argument) to make himself look "scientific"!
@@marthademovimaus5140 that doesn't change the fact that context clues exist. Obviously the most common use of it is race related but all it takes is looking at what he's saying, realising it's unrelated to race and then thinking "oh, maybe it's a different meaning". I agree that it's a little low to insult them for it, but it really wasn't an easy mistake to make, since all it would take to avoid it is paying attention.
@@marthademovimaus5140 to be fair you kinda do have to have worms in your brain to hear the word "whitewash" one (1) time in a video and immediately leave a comment complaining about how it offends you. like don't defend them they were being extremely silly :\
I loved your initial Wonka video! Sad you got so much flak for it.
I like how so many people seem to look at Wonka like "he's just a man with a dream who built an empire! He's fun and magical and here to teach the kids lessons but he's not mean about it" and while some aspect of that may be true, i always think back to this book of short stories I read once that had a whole section on the author at the end. I can't remember word for word but it had pictures of some of his handwritten notes and the concept for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory simply read like "What if you had the most fantastic factory in the world but it was run by an absolute madman?" 😂 Like stories change in the drafts but seems like even Dahl thought Wonka was supposed to balance both wonder and threat.
I think a significant amount of what makes Dahl memorable as a children's author is his engagement with cruelty. The fantastical tyrants and gory comeuppances give it an edge that the whimsy wouldn't hold up by itself
The fact that you needed to make this video, proves to me that no matter how well you explain yourself without any outrageous takes, most people are just insanely dumb and were never taught how take in and literally understand larger pieces of media or information. They just hear one key word and have their opinions ready, not able to understand any type of context. Baffling, really.
Missed opportunity to title this video "Was I Wronka?"
you won't believe (hyperbole) what he changed the title to
The idea that anti woke people don’t know what a synonym is is very funny to me
Well, they don't know what pronouns are, so it's not very surprising.
Loved the criticism tier list gag, definitely a joke that landed squarely in my wheel house
yeah ikr
Looking forward to Jack's "witness protection" era
I was among the many people who happened to discover your content with that video. I enjoyed it. Decided I'd definitely be checking out more of your work. Based on the type of negative feedback you're getting from the video I'm glad you're having fun with it. You can definitely tell the type of people who're reacting poorly. Many of those comments are telling.
The fact that your pretty interesting take on a capitalist nightmare story got slammed for being woke is a shame tbh because it wasn't particularly woke? I mean wtf even is woke. I'm tired of this buzzword being used as a label for something people dislike. I watched the original vid and thought it was really good. Honestly just keep up the good work.
Woke is when someone say thing make my brain hurt - conservatives
As far as I was aware and taught, Woke meant low quality left-leaning writing that uses beliefs it doesn't actually believe in as a crutch, as a result of the gaming market trying to capitalize on the gamergate controversy. It's legitimately confusing to see it being used as a synonym for bad.
@@derpfluidvariant0916 Woke was originally used to keep people aware of the implied biases and discrimination in the US, of course it got cooped to mean anything that someone doesn't like.
You’ve changed, you’re daring, you’re different in the woods.
More sure, more sharing, you’re getting us through the woods.
If you could see you’re not the man who started
And much more open hearted than I knew you to be
(‘into the woods’ is my new special interest so I like that you went into the woods for this video)
tbh its very funny that the haters only tool against you is to give you engagement
It was big of you to come clean about the uncorrected yellow tone. Bravo, Jack!
It's weird to me how Elon stans will simultaneously hold these notions that Elon is a genius who is going to change the world but also that things he does are not anyone's business but his own and criticizing him is crossing some kind of line.
Like, okay buddy, sure, but here''s the thing.
I live in the world.
Wow, I thought that video was really interesting. I love it when people with a better imagination than me describe how they would rewrite films and books or what they would focus on differently. I'm always amazed by the creativity.
“And I love you random citizen.”
I can't believe people missed the point so hard. I thought it was a super interesting insightful video and got me to look at Willy Wonka in a way I never had before.
if two people can separately have the same definition of "woke," without any bitterness or snark, maybe i'll take the term more seriously
The word really doesn't mean anything anymore. One might say it lost it since it got stolen from black culture.
I mean, it vaguely translates to "vaguely a centimetre left of me" which can be anything from climate change, a woman, a woman putting a pants, and anything and everything in between.
TL;DR: "Woke" is a nothing word.
I think there was a very narrow period of time where people use it unironically. I think most people either use it jokingly now, or they don't understand where it started or that its mostly a joke term now and want to "destroy woke culture"
@@bloodyneptune exactly, and nobody even knows what "woke culture" means because its such a broad term and it started out as a joke
@@Alex-nw5xu but "woke" didn't start out as a joke, as far as I know. Or do you mean "woke culture" as a complete term?
Running away from mean internet comments frantically while holding a small dog in the forest is the new vibe. Not up for debate. This is my personality now.
i think when it comes to the issue of having a problematic historic novel who's main demographic is children, the publisher should just make two edits of the books readily available. the original version goes in adult fiction, and the one that's sanded down a bit goes into kid's fiction. i can understand a teacher hesitating to have their class read the original charlie & the chocolate factory, the oompa loompas could be really upsetting to a child.
But the author is dead, and what happens in another 100 years when society changes again? And 200? Do we just edit and change everything, forever, to match what is currently acceptable?
The questions is what should be changed and how much ut should be changed. Another famous example is Pippi Longstocking. Almost every edition nowadays edits out the word "n*gro" and I can't really argue against that, especially when thinking about how the book nowadays will be presented mostly to mixed race classrooms. But on the other hand I can't help but feel how removal of that word "whitewashes" (in the sense of the word that Jack used^^) the colonialist fantasy of a white man ruling over black people at the heart of what is otherwise a progressive for its time book. Much like the editing of the Oompa Loompa Lore did for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Should that message instead be removed completely? Or should it be taken as an opportunity to talk about colonialism in a classroom setting? How much can you change a book before it becomes a different book altogether?
@@juliamavroidi8601 i also feel you on having a discussion on colonialism and the like in the classroom, it would be a good opportunity for it! and if teachers don't wanna get into colonialism in the classroom, they should pick a book that doesn't feature it in the first place. maybe the publisher can just skip the whole deal of rewriting a book and just add a warning to the start of the novel similar to those added to older animated shorts/movies with offensive content. in the end, its better to preserve the original text and teach its failings than to pretend it doesnt exist at all.
I'm a teacher, & the reading program I taught in recently added this book to its (already pretty problematic) curriculum. The fat phobia in particular was pretty rough, but the kids navigated our discussion really well.
My conclusion is that there's a big difference between having a book that is available for children to read vs using that book to teach. Generally I'm against revising, censoring, or limiting children's access to books. But when choosing books specifically to teach with, there are so many incredible books out there that there's no reason to pick one you would have to modify.
Every book is a snapshot of when it was written, & if we change them, we do kids a disservice by distorting the past. I think that ultimately makes kids more susceptible to the kinds of people who use nostalgia for an idealized past to manipulate them into regressive politics. A working knowledge of what norms were before your time is valuable, in my opinion.
When selecting curricula, we have so many outstanding children's books for any purpose. Are we trying to teach basic reading skills? Then let's pick a book all the kids can enjoy without dated cheap shots at marginalized identities, because the kids in those groups are in the class as fellow participants, not subjects to be talked about-- if they've shown up as part of a reading curriculum, they deserve to have the same relaxed time working on their skills as the other kids. And when the book is being taught as a vehicle for this purpose, it comes with an implicit endorsement. But is it a class of slightly older kids who have mastered these skills & are ready for some deeper, more critical discussions? Is it a class whose purpose allows that to be a focus, so that enough time can be spent on it? In that case, a broader selection of excerpts to compare & contrast is of more value, imo, than a single text-- and of course, modifying or censoring them defeats the purpose.
Developing all of these skills also requires a huge volume of free reading outside of class, so we let the books that don't work -- for whatever reason-- for a specific class setting stay in the library. Then kids can enjoy them to their heart's content, but we don't have to stress out a bunch of 9 year olds with depictions that make them feel like shit or have to break from fluency practice to talk about incidental racism.
@@DichotomousRexEverything has to be changed, adapted, and translated constantly to remain comprehensible...
Unless you're reading the Bible or any other foreign book in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. you're relying on others to translate the messages for you.
In fact, every time a scribe had to make a copy before printing became a thing, changes were sometimes made intentionally or intentionally based entirely on one individual's knowledge base.
These people watched Willy impoverish an entire city and cheered, "Yass, King~ This movie understands how cool Elon Musk is."
Can’t believe you never said “look, I’m touching grass!” I think that’s the point of being in the woods 😂
his mastery of subtlety is too great
The saddest thing about this is that most of the people who left "criticisms" will probably never see this response
yeah...
They could never really be reached anyway.
Videos like this however do give those you can be reached the chance to learn a little.
lol the elon bros are so sensitive
I love how you put Capitalism Bad in the Taylor Swift Eras Tour font Really nice choice Jack :)
I don’t think I’ve seen so much growth from a TH-camr as one who sees the feedback “save whitewashing shit for the end so you don’t lose consoomers” and then, taking this criticism to heart, says “look at these slugs! They’ve been ducking” in the last few seconds of this one.
The white washing thing is funny. White wash is a kind of cheap paint so thin it may as well be white water, hence the name. And it was used a lot as a cheap way to temporarily maintain the appearance of a fence or a building. New coats would need applied constantly to coverup the flaws or damage in the paint. So when someone says for example "history is a whitewash" what they're saying is that the way history is told paints over all of the flaws and imperfections really poorly. Now, has this term been used to describe white actors being cast in black or brown roles? Sure, but thats an outcropping of the original meaning. When people say that they're implying that to the white creators the black and brown people are the things being covered up and made invisible. And even funnier if you're an american who doesn’t know what whitewash is i have to assume you flunked english class because you didn't read mark twain and his iconic scene where tom sawyer cons all the other kids into white washing his fence for him.
If anything, whitewashing is what many would call "historical revisionism" (which does somewhat describe casting white actors to play the roles of POC since it basically alters history to make it more palatable to white supremacists).
Hearing people get mad over a word that has been used for so many years is tiring, yet funny.
@devofficialchannel There is a Canadian woman who wants to change the term "white paper" because it might offend indigenous people.
Now is a chance to prove you are not a hypocrite and equally mock your own side.
@@aaronmaas22 Has she offered any alternative names to "white paper"?
And most of all, does she really think names of colours are offensive or has she given a long reason as to why she think it's offensive to indigenous people? (which again, it hard to actually find any other liberation group that has the same thinking)
I also see many articles that talk about Japan whitewashing its own Imperial history and they did use the term "whitewashing".
So whitewashing is an overall "history is written by the winners".
@@devofficialchannel She wants to call them "position papers".
It doesn't matter what sane arguments you have, it is a leftist power flex and they will proceed with eliminating the term no matter what you say. The conclusion has already been decided.
Some idiot right leaning commenter who doesn't get the meaning of "whitewashing" is not the equivalent.
19:27 hmm, it's almost like these anti-woke viewers don't actually watch or pay attention to the video they are criticizing
I think there's a based version of Wonka with a little nudge - one where Charlie doesn't accept the factory, tells Wonka to shove it and liberates the Loompas. Or one where Charlie accepting the factory isn't framed as positive. Ofc there's no saving the reboot, but not just because Chalamet or the Muskification imo, because Dahl's uniting thing is child-parent relationships so a young adult Wonka is cursed from conception. What if Matilda but like, sexy? I'd do it for Mara Wilson but so cursed.
What about a 3rd option where Charlie accepts it but then gives ownership of the factory to the oompa loompas as soon as he can
I mean if he just flipped off Wonka he'd probably have all his winner stuff revoked, be kicked out then Wonka would be like "welp time to find a new heir ig"
But either way, all power to the oompa loompa union
I like the idea of Charlie being a spy on the inside- pretending to want to take it over, but as soon as he's able to, he's gonna bounce and give the factory to the Oompa Loompas. Because like you said, if he'd flipped Wonka off straight away, Wonka's just gonna change his mind about the winner and find an heir more like the actual Charlie in the books- so it would make more sense for Charlie to get to a point where he knows he's able to basically bounce and let the Oompa Loompas take over. @@StormgemThunder
The movie completely changing genre as Wonka is taken to court for trafficking, numerous health violations and crimes against humanity
It will never cease to stun me how the people who shout most about how easily offended people are, are in fact incredibly easily offended.
Replying to comments WHILE in touch with grass, how the hell am I supposed make a aggressive comment now?
Honestly your responses to the anti woke brigade always being you enjoying nature and your family and literally touching grass is always so funny to me idk if it's always intentional but it's great
In general, I enjoyed the essay, and the only slight issue I took is the implication that Dahl didn't understand capitalistic implications of his own story. In the book, the father had a miserable, boring job in a toothpaste squeezing factory, and honest, true Charlie is constantly compared to characters going hog wild with greed and consumption. But of course it's a story written for children, without the adult implications spelled out.
No disrespect, but I don't understand why you thought that was implied. He talks in the video about how the commentary on capitalism is there in the source material.
Yeah where was that implied, he literally SAID the exact opposite
Fun fact: Elon Musk was born 2 days before Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory premiered in theaters on 30 June 1971.
I found you through the Wonka video and must say im impressed and intrigued by what else you will cover on the channel. You speak calmly, and cite sources often like, what's not to love?
you uploaded this video literally 8 minutes before i finished watching the first one. what great timing truly
People have no chill these days,everything is always personal.
Love your work.❤
Are you talking about me?
I enjoyed everything in the video up until the slugs. I watch these videos with my kids and I don't want them to know that animals exist.
have you told them about the birds and the bees yet
@@hefdef9961 Please don't use the B-words around my children.
it's amazing how we are not allowed to even mildly criticize a molecule of Mr. Beast in any way
Congratulations and sincerest condolences on your Willy Wonka video being your sixth most watched video ever.
Who up Wonkin’ they Willy rn?
Watching a video that’s intellectually over your head, refusing to google a word you don’t understand, inventing a new definition that no one uses and then getting mad at the creator because you’re upset about something you imagined in your head while watching their video is a slippery slope to cringe. In this essay, I will explain my case for why TH-cam needs proficiency tests for viewing content-
Wow! Do people not know the original definition of “whitewashing” now??
As a non English speaker, i never did.
To be fair, how often do you hear about people painting an object white, compared to Twitter drama?
Edit: zoinks I completely forgot that it could also refer to the sanding down of edgier story telling. Yeah, honestly not surprised if the people making those comments were younger then. Every English teacher I've had would've used the term bowdlerize.
Your editing makes me laugh, it’s very good
God it must be hard being conservative. Imagine having all of the privilege and rights to yourself, yet still not being able to enjoy that because you saw a gay person on tv
They hate America and freedom.
They had gay people on TV for a long time, the shows were enjoyable because they didn't make the characters obnoxious, but I'm glad the pebbles enjoy today's filth. Do you need to simplify things to that degree to feel victimised?
@@mason96575 Define freedom.
@snapplegu6100 my guy you're literally victimizing yourself, ironic
@@sushilampa8287 Why do all zoomer pebbles talk this way? So devoid of any sense of self even down to how you write. It's repulsive to read. Where did I victimise myself? Stating reality is victimisation? Of whom?
23:36 - "Have you considered learning a second word you fucking NPCs" is one of the mightiest, juiciest, most satisfying-to-hear takedowns of offensive meme-commenters that I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.
Honestly, a movie about Wonka should literally be such an easy look at a corporate product but because it’s easy to just hire Leonardo Jr. (not in the sense of you know) and bring his super fans to fill seats this seems to be depressing
This video has convinced me i need to start commenting batshit takes in order for them to be addressed in a video in order to feed my deep seated pathological desire to be acknowledged by strangers on the internet
Concerning the Capitalism Bad segment, I believe that Willy Wonka a bit of an oxymoron. It’s not that capitalists can’t be creative, but the most creative, well-spoken people I’ve met and even heard about either don’t have an opinion on capitalism or are against it. Capitalism is the status quo and art is created by /subverting/ the status quo, because art with political and social commentary is meant to change something or have some sort of impact. If there is no status quo subversion, then in my opinion, the art will suffer.
“Capitalism bad” This but unironically
A much more palatable British TH-camr than HeelVsBabyface 😂 keep fighting the good fight 🫡
I was trying to get immersed in the Jack Saint universe and enjoy the video but NOO! Fucking capitalism! Current day! California shit!
TH-cam comments section always has something crazy. Like, I can't believe that one dude gave you fucking business advice? "Hey, put the WOKE at the end, you'll make more money that way you soy boy😡😡😤" Like, he's telling you his disgust for you, but also trying to give you a hand? Just wild.
11:11 i’m actually crying at how that dude wrote a whole manifesto towards you, over Willy Mf Wonka 😭 grown adult men, mad over willy wonka
They heard whitewashing and closed their ears off
Gene Wilder will NEVER be cancelled! The man was a saint, excellent human
Oh good, now you've definitely jinxed it
I don’t know why I don’t watch your videos right when they come out; you are so funny. Not to make fun of… like genuine dry humor that makes me laugh out loud. Good luck in hiding. 😸
I like how you swapped the fallout new Vegas filter for the fallout 4 filter.
its fun to think about the Everlasting Gobstopper, right? its a candy to last a poor kid forever. Its this one note thing. like i dont remember what it tastes like, but as far as texture goes, its gonna be hard candy. there's still other desires to be had, and those, well those can be bought. theres no Everlasting nougat, or malt balls, or caramels, etc- just the gobstopper. so like, would it not have just been more efficient to just mass produce Normallasting Gobstoppers and then sell them at a slight loss? cus like, if you sell an infinite candy, it would only need to be replaced when its swallowed or lost. (Note: um, you dont *have* to get a new one if you swallow it...) but its for poor kids, so the price point has to be affordable so a poor kid can buy it. but like, its not about helping the poors, is it? its about the spectacle and pride of having made such a thing.
not to get all Jack Saint about it, but that is just such a rich asshole move. "i make the electric cars so save environment its future!" no, you don't care about the environment, you just want to be the one who owns the Everlasting Gobstopper. its all spectacle, its all about being the one who created this amazing property and who solely owns it. If he really cared about poor kids, he'd just open source the creation method for EGs so that any factory could make them. like, even if the other factories did start making them, and decided to jack up the price, someone else would make them slightly cheaper. or hell, no one would bother creating an infinite candy that the creation process is openly available. or double hell, if wonka still cared, he could just always have the product available for as cheap as he cared to stock it. He's 100% losing money on it anyway, what point is there even to charging for it, or being the sole owner of the method?
it drives me mad