Love the PH quote, that became one of my favorite quotes of his. I only carry a 380 when I require really deep concealment, which is rare now that I'm retired, but I carry FMJ in them when I do.
Carry the TUI in my micro 380 as I don’t trust HP’s in the mouse gun. Best case they tumble and create more damage. Worst case they perform like ball. Like the penetration of the TUI’s in your test. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
My .380 was an ankle holster for when I ride Motorcycles, Sold it So I don't see carrying the .380 anytime in the future. I got pulled over by the police, showed him my CHL, he asked what and where I'm carrying. I told him and he asked "what was I gonna do with that? Put an eye out?" We both laughed and I got a warning
A little humanity goes a long way. Unfortunately some just use the badge to bully people. I am now retired from law enforcement, and I still have those who were released back into society thank me for being kind while others may have turned away from their needs.
Thanks for testing 380 ACP. I don't like to rely on tumbling as it is nondeterministic. 380 Speer 90 grain Gold Dot for the win. Please keep testing the 32 ACP.
Your experience with gel and explanation for the effect we see with tumbling bullets is much appreciated. We see this with 22mag and it's interesting to hear your opinion about the significance of the relatively large gel splitting. BTW, I confess to freqently jumping ahead to jelly time.
Tools, I think the takeaway from these videos is that .380 is simply a marginal performer in the very best of circumstances. People keep trying to make it into something that it’s not, and ammo companies are happy to play along. Also: thanks for dropping that Paulism at the end of the video.
TNT keep it real and the reason why we all love ya is cause u tell us ur thoughts and sometimes ur wrong but not often n it would be so easy to just test off camera n always be RIGHT!! But thanks for NOT doing that cause it makes u Human like all us watching!!!! Always a bunch to learn n the equipment u got is the best so TU Y’all!!!!
That temporary cavity, known as stretch cavity, does not completely represent the human body. However, it does reflect how the round can disrupt the organs with shock energy. In the Army, I saw people hit with a .50cal One I saw was a direct hit in the belly-button area at about 100 meters, and it severed the torso from the waist, nearly completely (It basically exploded the target). I saw the same round impact in a lower arm, and it severed it. In the shoulder, it totally incapacitated the target, but did not separate any parts. The round in the belly that severed the torso, was due to that temporary stretch you are seeing. The gel gives an idea, but it has a lot less stretch resistance than the human body does. However, when you put enough energy into the soft tissue, it will certainly have a severe and catastrophic result. The lesson learned then was, - when you needed the target down for sure, send a round from the Ma-Deuce.
@44Mag I was thinking about the initial shock and disruption in gel compared to the human body. Agreed, too bad good guys don't carry around an M2. That's the same concept to me, at least for carrying the 45acp rather than the 32acp
Retest with the fmj spooned. File a flat spot on the fmj bullet nose at a 45 degree angle from the tip. Brass fetcher did this back in the day and the video was banned from TH-cam
TUI is a masterclass in marketing. People hear that rifle rounds do a lot of their damage from tumbling, so they see a pistol round that does the same thing and assume it creates rifle wounds.
Only good thing about them is the solid copper. Better at penning soft armor but I think liberty civil defense would be a better option for both armor pen and effect on target
I've heard some states don't allow HP ammo. This is where TUI, might shine. I never carry less than a 9mm, so this isn't a useful test for me. But I'll look into it.
Good test, no surprises. Many years ago, an acquaintance used a PPK .380 to defend herself from an abusive husband, very abusive. FMJ's, 6 rounds, six through and through. He still dang near got her before enough blood loss for him to collapse. It showed me the relative ineffectiveness of FMJ in .380. All those hits were torso hits, 12 holes. Sure, eventually they worked, but not quickly. The new designed bullets with the fluted noses are the way to go if you use anything with a less than 3.5" barrel. You've shown us proof of concept in that. Just so you know, FMJ is just a hole punch, particularly in the shorter barrels. If it makes the perps run when hit, it's better than a prolonged conflict, but fooling yourself into thinking it's a one shot stopper in the torso might give you a worse day.
Study after study shows .380 has basically as much one stop incapacitation, fatality rates and average number of rounds fired as 9mm and 45acp. It always comes down to shot placement more than caliber. And perhaps that is why .380 is on par, because good shot placement is easier.
Temporary cavitation by a bullet moving slower than 2200 fps does little damage in living tissue. That’s why center fire rifle cartridges are so much more effective than handguns.
I concealed carry a Taurus Spectrum. FMJ is the Only round I use. Never found anything Better for .380 out of a Short Barrel. Thanks Again for Saving Us Money! Great Video!
@@mikewallace8087 What part of ( "Never found anything Better for .380 out of a Short Barrel" ) did you not under stand? If you know something worth trying I'm all ears? Take care, Steve.
@@SteveM-426 You conceal carry , your evidence should be empirical as in you defended yourself and shot an aggressor. How else would you know the FMJ bullet is good for the concealed firearm purpose?
I watched a video of a guy taking a black bear with the fort Scott's TUI and it dropped in its tracks but he was also using a 16 inch barrel but a 300 pound black bear dropping with a single 380 round is impressive
Dude you’re my favorite TH-camr right now 😂 hands down! Man I appreciate this video you have no idea! You’re 2/2 back to back on ammo I just purchased 😂 ok, are you willing to test underwood jhp 458 socom? 300 grain? Or a series of TUI ammo from 5.56, 300 blackout, 9mm, 10mm? That TUI has replaced the ammo some LE here in NC were using.
Another great test. I'd rather have a flat nose FMJ or some +P hollow points. I've been sitting the same Gold Dot 380s for a while now. I rarely carry my 380. Elastic waist band, run to the store carry is about it.
A depth of 17.5" is within the 12" - 18" acceptable window for typical defensive purposes. Thanks for measuring the length of these TUI and comparing them to the FMJ since that is relevant with a bullet that is designed to tumble. It was also nice that you fired more than one of these TUI into the gel to see if they are consistent. These TUI do seem weak. Though appear to be a better choice than FMJ.
Thanks for the test. That collision was really interesting. I bought some of these a while back on a spur of the moment decision. I guess I wasted some money.
I would much rather lean on the dependable options of Sig V Crowns, or Buffalo Bore or Underwood overpressure rounds. Xtreme Penetrators feed fine in a Cheetah, but jam 1 out of 3 times in an LCP
@@whatsup24_7can’t judge performance in living tissue w clear gel. Mostly compare performance of other bullets shot in a similar manner to each other. Case in point, when I worked investigations, most of the time, rounds stayed in the body including FMJ from 9mm and .380. One guy was shot in the eye (literally), and fell on the 9mm casing. The round did not exit his head or cause any deformation. One guy was shot in the throat with a .380. The bullet broke and lodged in his spinal cord. Honestly, one is better off to carry a .40 or larger, but the .380 and 9mm certainly will “work.”
The Fort Scott TUI has some specific situations where it performs well, except for these smaller calibers, like going through barriers or light armor, like their 80gr +P 9mm. Their 5.56, along with other rifle rounds can go through barriers and still have effects on targets.
it's not as easy as it looks picking spots and hitting that spot on a gel block. I'm amazed I haven't hit my chrono yet. nice shooting dude. I just got a 380 or will when the ffl guy opens Monday.
Very interesting video, TNT. Thanks for putting in the work. Unfortunately, it seems the debate will continue as to what to run in a .380. Unless you can run Gold Dots, (my personal opinion). I bought the Bodyguard 2.0, probably because I am a little bit of a sucker. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great, and as they say, that dog will hunt. But, with options like Shield Plus, Sig 365, 43x, Hellcat and so on, I can’t figure out why I would ever carry the 2.0 over them. So, in practical terms, for me the best 380 round is a 124 grain 9mm Gold Dot. Know what I mean?
Personally I definitely prefer the Xtreme defender projectile compared to the TUI. For most calibers I still would prefer a good hollow point over either. I do keep one backup mag for my 10mm XDm elite 3.8 loaded with the Underwood Xtreme defender 100 grain in the off chance I needed to defeat soft body armor (highly unlikely), or a hard barrier.
Tools - thanks for holding your nose, and giving these 380 tumblers a go. I usually don't root against ammo going into the gel test, but found myself doing so today 😂😂😂 Definitely saving my money on the TUI, and holding out hope if the pocket pistol ever does get deployed, we get maximum penetration. Two holes for the price of one would warm this miser's heart! 😂
Flat nose if I ran fmj. If I had them on hand, I would probably run the Underwood +P Extreme Penetrators or Defenders over anything else in .380, I just wouldn't go looking for em if I already had fmj on hand.
I was always under the impression that gel test show what happens to the bullet not what the bullet does to the gel .. lol but who knows ..like its a decent way to see how a bullet might react to hitting someone .. but idno its interesting either way lol
It's definitely best used to compare round performance against others. It's gonna give you a general idea of what to expect as far as penetration and energy transfer, but guts are gonna behave differently when it comes to the "disruption."
380. I just can’t bring myself to get one when we have 9mm. 🎉🎉 not a fan of 380 cause of price 🎉🎉 mainly. And pistols are not much different in size to me 🎉🎉. Thx for video though. 🎉🎉
One reason we respect you is because you do tests even when you're sure they're going to be a failure. Even fps was about 20 to 30 less than expected. I'll stick with Honey Badger , Underwood or HST or Defiant. Appreciate your time. 🙏👍
This TUI isn't reliable. I've got HST 99 grain in my BG 2.0. When they're gone, then Winchester FP FMJ. Good test, Tools. You save folks their hard earned money. 😎👍🇺🇸
I don't know, Tools. That kind of penetration seems pretty solid. The TUI temporary pressure cavity seems... substantial. Maybe this is a pretty good little self defense round even from a short-barreled .380?
The penetration is good but temporary pressure cavity are three words you just put together that don't mean anything beyond what you made up in your mind. It's not a real thing.
The 380 isn’t given enough respect. It’s is intended as a close range self defense round. In the majority of self defense shootings whether you are using a 22 or a 45, they occur at distances most times in less than 10 feet away. I’ve seen people ended with a 380. It shouldn’t be dismissed as ineffective. Ballistic jell in not a human.
tui succeeded in performance and i believe it would cause more damage. also take note of the different length of projectile, can also make a bigger tumble. choosing it over other ammo would be arguable.
380 is really an undersung hero for defense, but that TUI really isn't worth that price. There are finally a couple of decent 380 acp hollow points now and they are pretty cheap. Thanks for the test.
The fact that it has the same bullet weight and velocity as the normal fmj shows that it have to tumble more than the regular with more penetration.I would at least prefer it over regular fmj. 17 inches is no over penetration. I think its a good option but expensive. Than I would rather take some of these philips screw driver solids. They do tumble also (high speed camera) and because of the shape causing more tissue damage.
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Love the PH quote, that became one of my favorite quotes of his. I only carry a 380 when I require really deep concealment, which is rare now that I'm retired, but I carry FMJ in them when I do.
Thank you sir.😎👊
We are the judge.
.FMJ for me in the winter. Summer you might get by with a hollow point due to lighter thinner clothing.
I carry .380 all the time with Underwood +P hollow points.Nasty stuff.
That initial wound channel from the TUI was pretty impressive though for 150 ft lbs..
The only problem of TUI is that sometimes it doesn't tumble, but when it does it seems very efficient. I like them.
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Doesn't over penatrate like ball, more likely to tumble, feeds well, and low recoil it has its place
I like the Killdozer shirt bud!...as for the ammo, not bad but I'll stick with the Underwood Xtreme Defender 👍
thanks
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If I lived in a no lead, no hollow point state, and Extreme Defenders were also banned, I would move. If I couldn’t, I’d pick TUIs over FMJs.
Im on my second move due to gun laws left massachusetts in 2018 moved to RI they just passed mag bans and such an now moving to NC .... 😂
@@PJ_Perrygo west young man!
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@@danlindgren4290 - there is fluted composite ammo available.
In 380 FNJHP is the next best thing
Carry the TUI in my micro 380 as I don’t trust HP’s in the mouse gun. Best case they tumble and create more damage. Worst case they perform like ball. Like the penetration of the TUI’s in your test. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
You should look into the xtreme defenders from underwood.
IMHO , 8302 . That is very sound logic .
My .380 was an ankle holster for when I ride Motorcycles, Sold it So I don't see carrying the .380 anytime in the future.
I got pulled over by the police, showed him my CHL, he asked what and where I'm carrying. I told him and he asked "what was I gonna do with that? Put an eye out?"
We both laughed and I got a warning
A little humanity goes a long way. Unfortunately some just use the badge to bully people. I am now retired from law enforcement, and I still have those who were released back into society thank me for being kind while others may have turned away from their needs.
Love the .380 videos! I carry fmj in my Bodyguard 2.0.
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I agree with you completely. I've seen this design tested many, many times and it just isn't consistent in its tumbling performance.
Thanks for testing 380 ACP. I don't like to rely on tumbling as it is nondeterministic. 380 Speer 90 grain Gold Dot for the win.
Please keep testing the 32 ACP.
I thank you for showing how top level performance is not in TUI. I did get some of this a while ago but not in 380. Great work done here.
Your experience with gel and explanation for the effect we see with tumbling bullets is much appreciated. We see this with 22mag and it's interesting to hear your opinion about the significance of the relatively large gel splitting. BTW, I confess to freqently jumping ahead to jelly time.
😂 Better to jump ahead than not jump at all!😎👊
T&T…you’re consistently the best online source for reliable reviews and recommendations. Great channel!!!
Tools, I think the takeaway from these videos is that .380 is simply a marginal performer in the very best of circumstances. People keep trying to make it into something that it’s not, and ammo companies are happy to play along.
Also: thanks for dropping that Paulism at the end of the video.
TNT keep it real and the reason why we all love ya is cause u tell us ur thoughts and sometimes ur wrong but not often n it would be so easy to just test off camera n always be RIGHT!!
But thanks for NOT doing that cause it makes u Human like all us watching!!!!
Always a bunch to learn n the equipment u got is the best so TU Y’all!!!!
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
That temporary cavity, known as stretch cavity, does not completely represent the human body. However, it does reflect how the round can disrupt the organs with shock energy.
In the Army, I saw people hit with a .50cal
One I saw was a direct hit in the belly-button area at about 100 meters, and it severed the torso from the waist, nearly completely (It basically exploded the target).
I saw the same round impact in a lower arm, and it severed it. In the shoulder, it totally incapacitated the target, but did not separate any parts.
The round in the belly that severed the torso, was due to that temporary stretch you are seeing. The gel gives an idea, but it has a lot less stretch resistance than the human body does. However, when you put enough energy into the soft tissue, it will certainly have a severe and catastrophic result.
The lesson learned then was, - when you needed the target down for sure, send a round from the Ma-Deuce.
@44Mag I was thinking about the initial shock and disruption in gel compared to the human body.
Agreed, too bad good guys don't carry around an M2. That's the same concept to me, at least for carrying the 45acp rather than the 32acp
Retest with the fmj spooned. File a flat spot on the fmj bullet nose at a 45 degree angle from the tip. Brass fetcher did this back in the day and the video was banned from TH-cam
Yeah they call it manufacturing ammo. 😆
@ToolsandTargets manufacturing vs. modifying... or as you could call it severe polishing
@@ToolsandTargets ????
@@NewWorldDisorder1 YT considers it a no go.
@@ToolsandTargets Land of the free, my @$$ 😆
That stink bug wasn't even phased by that TUI. Lol. He stood his ground and didn't retreat.
He was like "Oh, it's just a .380."🤭
TUI is a masterclass in marketing. People hear that rifle rounds do a lot of their damage from tumbling, so they see a pistol round that does the same thing and assume it creates rifle wounds.
Exactly
Only good thing about them is the solid copper. Better at penning soft armor but I think liberty civil defense would be a better option for both armor pen and effect on target
Only some rifle rounds tumble and that’s only after hitting the target
I believe the hype came from their 9mm being capable of penetrating level 2 and some level 3a soft armor panels.
I've heard some states don't allow HP ammo. This is where TUI, might shine. I never carry less than a 9mm, so this isn't a useful test for me. But I'll look into it.
Good test, no surprises. Many years ago, an acquaintance used a PPK .380 to defend herself from an abusive husband, very abusive. FMJ's, 6 rounds, six through and through. He still dang near got her before enough blood loss for him to collapse. It showed me the relative ineffectiveness of FMJ in .380. All those hits were torso hits, 12 holes. Sure, eventually they worked, but not quickly. The new designed bullets with the fluted noses are the way to go if you use anything with a less than 3.5" barrel. You've shown us proof of concept in that. Just so you know, FMJ is just a hole punch, particularly in the shorter barrels. If it makes the perps run when hit, it's better than a prolonged conflict, but fooling yourself into thinking it's a one shot stopper in the torso might give you a worse day.
Study after study shows .380 has basically as much one stop incapacitation, fatality rates and average number of rounds fired as 9mm and 45acp. It always comes down to shot placement more than caliber. And perhaps that is why .380 is on par, because good shot placement is easier.
Temporary cavitation by a bullet moving slower than 2200 fps does little damage in living tissue. That’s why center fire rifle cartridges are so much more effective than handguns.
Thanks for the video as usual love watching the different 380 ballistics
I concealed carry a Taurus Spectrum. FMJ is the Only round I use. Never found anything Better for .380 out of a Short Barrel. Thanks Again for Saving Us Money! Great Video!
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Really Steve ? What is your empirical evidence ?
@@mikewallace8087 What part of ( "Never found anything Better for .380 out of a Short Barrel" ) did you not under stand? If you know something worth trying I'm all ears? Take care, Steve.
@@SteveM-426 You conceal carry , your evidence should be empirical as in you defended yourself and shot an aggressor.
How else would you know the FMJ bullet is good for the concealed firearm purpose?
I watched a video of a guy taking a black bear with the fort Scott's TUI and it dropped in its tracks but he was also using a 16 inch barrel but a 300 pound black bear dropping with a single 380 round is impressive
Was it from a HiPoint .380 carbine?
@@russellweber3466.. has to be.. who else would make a 380 16 in barrel monkey contraption
@@Bulldawg44 How high were you posting this gibberish? Have you seen any utube videos of shooters using .380 HiPoint carbines, they are quite handy.
Dude you’re my favorite TH-camr right now 😂 hands down! Man I appreciate this video you have no idea! You’re 2/2 back to back on ammo I just purchased 😂 ok, are you willing to test underwood jhp 458 socom? 300 grain? Or a series of TUI ammo from 5.56, 300 blackout, 9mm, 10mm? That TUI has replaced the ammo some LE here in NC were using.
Great video great info.. I just got my first .380 pistol.. Thanks for sharing
I have the 10mm fort Scott and I love it it sounds like 44 magnum on my g20 gen3
Another great test. I'd rather have a flat nose FMJ or some +P hollow points. I've been sitting the same Gold Dot 380s for a while now. I rarely carry my 380. Elastic waist band, run to the store carry is about it.
A depth of 17.5" is within the 12" - 18" acceptable window for typical defensive purposes. Thanks for measuring the length of these TUI and comparing them to the FMJ since that is relevant with a bullet that is designed to tumble. It was also nice that you fired more than one of these TUI into the gel to see if they are consistent. These TUI do seem weak. Though appear to be a better choice than FMJ.
Cool looking bullet that rearended the TUI
Both look ok to for what they are to me. Thanks for 380 jelly time. Very well done! Stay safe.
Thanks for the test. That collision was really interesting. I bought some of these a while back on a spur of the moment decision. I guess I wasted some money.
Just picked up the bodyguard and your out here doing the Lords work and testing ammo on this pistol keep it up buddy love the content
another great video. didn't really need the heavy repetitive negative comments. keep up the good work!
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One of my favorite people on TH-cam! Great videos.
Love the bodyguard 2.0. My favorite 380 pistol
Can you load 12 rounds in the 12-round mag ... I can't.
And the sight is off... shoots left.
10-round mag loads 10 rounds no problem.
Always enjoy watching even when i don't have it and ain't gonna get it. 💥
I would much rather lean on the dependable options of Sig V Crowns, or Buffalo Bore or Underwood overpressure rounds. Xtreme Penetrators feed fine in a Cheetah, but jam 1 out of 3 times in an LCP
Interesting
Tools thanks for shooting this video. Lately I have been using some 380 tools. They are spicy and nice.
I think I'll stick with my Extreme Defenders in my PPK/s. Good to know this stuff is out there, though!
That reminds me I haven't shot my PPK in a while.
Brother, respectfully this has been requested since I don't know two years ago lol thank you
They did a ok job. When I carry my lcp I carry just fmj FN. I was thinking about getting a box of these or the Lehigh defender.
Well done. Many thanks. Interesting option. Not sure about these.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Man what a great video! Just picked up a box last week . Perfect timing. Glad I got them
Thank you sir.😎👊
Never used 380’s but have used 6.5 Grendel and 10mm with great results.
Sweet, I've been wondering about this ammo
It goes bang.🤷♂️
@@ToolsandTargets the TPU is supposed to create a big wound channel. I wasn't impressed by it's performance.
@@whatsup24_7can’t judge performance in living tissue w clear gel. Mostly compare performance of other bullets shot in a similar manner to each other. Case in point, when I worked investigations, most of the time, rounds stayed in the body including FMJ from 9mm and .380. One guy was shot in the eye (literally), and fell on the 9mm casing. The round did not exit his head or cause any deformation. One guy was shot in the throat with a .380. The bullet broke and lodged in his spinal cord. Honestly, one is better off to carry a .40 or larger, but the .380 and 9mm certainly will “work.”
The Fort Scott TUI has some specific situations where it performs well, except for these smaller calibers, like going through barriers or light armor, like their 80gr +P 9mm. Their 5.56, along with other rifle rounds can go through barriers and still have effects on targets.
As Paul would say. You decide. Thx.
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"You be the judge."
Great video as always I don't fool with the 380acp for carry
It’s cool 380 is getting new designs it’s the easiest to carry
So few TUI testing. Glad to see you do it and show that it isn't "all that."
it's not as easy as it looks picking spots and hitting that spot on a gel block. I'm amazed I haven't hit my chrono yet. nice shooting dude. I just got a 380 or will when the ffl guy opens Monday.
Great review, but I am not a .380 fan. Enjoy all your ammo test!🤠🦅🇺🇸
Great video TNT! I wonder about this all the time in all the calibers but .380 for sure👊👊👍👍
Poor little .380 🤭
Very interesting video, TNT. Thanks for putting in the work. Unfortunately, it seems the debate will continue as to what to run in a .380. Unless you can run Gold Dots, (my personal opinion). I bought the Bodyguard 2.0, probably because I am a little bit of a sucker. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great, and as they say, that dog will hunt. But, with options like Shield Plus, Sig 365, 43x, Hellcat and so on, I can’t figure out why I would ever carry the 2.0 over them. So, in practical terms, for me the best 380 round is a 124 grain 9mm Gold Dot. Know what I mean?
My sentiments exactly, thank's for your time & effort. 👍🇺🇸
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Personally I definitely prefer the Xtreme defender projectile compared to the TUI. For most calibers I still would prefer a good hollow point over either. I do keep one backup mag for my 10mm XDm elite 3.8 loaded with the Underwood Xtreme defender 100 grain in the off chance I needed to defeat soft body armor (highly unlikely), or a hard barrier.
XD for .380 is a solid choice for sure.
U can tell it’s the weekend cause everyone is busy n haven’t watched yet!!!
But tonight as they lay in bed you will c more members n comments!!!
Lot of folks hit hard by the hurricanes too.
True that n family members!!!
Have to go T money!!!
Thanks bud!
Love the T-shirt as well.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Tools - thanks for holding your nose, and giving these 380 tumblers a go.
I usually don't root against ammo going into the gel test, but found myself doing so today 😂😂😂
Definitely saving my money on the TUI, and holding out hope if the pocket pistol ever does get deployed, we get maximum penetration. Two holes for the price of one would warm this miser's heart! 😂
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I love the total reference.
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Will check it out.
That's some bad ass hat Harry
Thanks for the video. I’ll be grown up enough to admit I was curious. Did I believe it would be great? Nope, I was still curious
Good test Tools. I'll stick with Underwood 90gr XTP +P.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Thank you for doing all of these tests !
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@@ToolsandTargets 🤙🏻👊🏻🤓
I have that exact same gun, and I love it. And I heard you say that you'll only run FMJ's if you carried it. But what kind of FMJ's?
Flat nose if I ran fmj. If I had them on hand, I would probably run the Underwood +P Extreme Penetrators or Defenders over anything else in .380, I just wouldn't go looking for em if I already had fmj on hand.
Lots of worthless ammo for sale. Appreciate your work and saving us our hard earned $$$.
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I was always under the impression that gel test show what happens to the bullet not what the bullet does to the gel .. lol but who knows ..like its a decent way to see how a bullet might react to hitting someone .. but idno its interesting either way lol
It's definitely best used to compare round performance against others. It's gonna give you a general idea of what to expect as far as penetration and energy transfer, but guts are gonna behave differently when it comes to the "disruption."
You're correct. Gel tests measure projectile expansion and penetration. Examining the wound track is like reading tea leaves.
@timrobinson6573 except 2 and 4 legs have bones which change the entire thing
Another interesting test Tools. Keep up the good work sir!
Appreciate that, brother!😎👊
380. I just can’t bring myself to get one when we have 9mm. 🎉🎉 not a fan of 380 cause of price 🎉🎉 mainly. And pistols are not much different in size to me 🎉🎉. Thx for video though. 🎉🎉
Not enough difference to make a difference if not differentiating the difference of the different price... 🤔😂
Thanks for the vid!
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Looks like a factory made keyho round not my first choice thanks tool for the video
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👍👍Thanks Tools. If I used 380 I wouldn’t pay extra to use those over fmjs.
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Told you they perform as advertise and deliver results
Brother, that round has killed countless grizzly bears. Look at the videos
I have Fort Scott TUI for my 9mm ... seems to be an impressive round but costly $$$$
Good video Tools 👊🇺🇸
It's time again ! I'll stay with the mix of brands & types i have...to many car parts , lol
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One reason we respect you is because you do tests even when you're sure they're going to be a failure. Even fps was about 20 to 30 less than expected. I'll stick with Honey Badger , Underwood or HST or Defiant. Appreciate your time. 🙏👍
Appreciate ya. At least I do actually like doing tests with this Bodyguard. Great little shooter.
This TUI isn't reliable. I've got HST 99 grain in my BG 2.0. When they're gone, then Winchester FP FMJ. Good test, Tools. You save folks their hard earned money. 😎👍🇺🇸
The Winchester flat point fmj is what I would use for fmj. I almost used that for this test but figured the round was a closer match to the TUI.
Good info.
Thanks for the video. Have you done any tests with flat point 380 fmj bullets? Something like a truncated cone perhaps?
I've done a couple in the past. Flat nose is what I would personally run, but I figured the round was a closer match for these.
I'm surprised it didn't over penetrate, I might consider carrying these
That’s faster than I figured Tools on both of them rounds but a hole in the vitals is a hole no matter how we look at it.
Cool video thanks.
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Thanks again tools!
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I don't know, Tools. That kind of penetration seems pretty solid. The TUI temporary pressure cavity seems... substantial. Maybe this is a pretty good little self defense round even from a short-barreled .380?
They poke holes.
The penetration is good but temporary pressure cavity are three words you just put together that don't mean anything beyond what you made up in your mind. It's not a real thing.
@@timrobinson6573 and your qualifications as a ballistics expert are…
The 380 isn’t given enough respect. It’s is intended as a close range self defense round. In the majority of self defense shootings whether you are using a 22 or a 45, they occur at distances most times in less than 10 feet away. I’ve seen people ended with a 380. It shouldn’t be dismissed as ineffective. Ballistic jell in not a human.
tui succeeded in performance and i believe it would cause more damage. also take note of the different length of projectile, can also make a bigger tumble. choosing it over other ammo would be arguable.
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I'd stick with FMJ just cuz of costs, though perhaps something zippier
Yep. The very first thing I thought when I saw these was overpriced FMJ.
Real good test Tools God Bless.
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Interesting test. 380 really isn't my thing. I am just barely comfortable using 9mm. I cannot convince myself to go to 380.
Ageed
I've gotten so used to carrying the G29 10mm all summer that I could never feel good going to .380.
@@ToolsandTargets Yup! You know me with 45acp. I definitely want to get a 10mm sometime soon. Hope all is well. Be safe. Have Fun
How does the TUI round behave when it actually hits a “living” target?
Did Paul Harrell ever do a meat-target test with these rounds?
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@@gregb6469 I believe he has, come to think of it.
@@gregb6469he did
380 is really an undersung hero for defense, but that TUI really isn't worth that price. There are finally a couple of decent 380 acp hollow points now and they are pretty cheap. Thanks for the test.
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The fact that it has the same bullet weight and velocity as the normal fmj shows that it have to tumble more than the regular with more penetration.I would at least prefer it over regular fmj. 17 inches is no over penetration. I think its a good option but expensive. Than I would rather take some of these philips screw driver solids. They do tumble also (high speed camera) and because of the shape causing more tissue damage.
ATF trying to dumb down an already weak cartridge. But i would still carry because it makes it thru enough to hit a vital organ🤷
If i had to choose an fmj type round it would be something like the Underwood Extreme Defender.
Same
I think that I'll stick with the Underwood 141.