Disco Elysium: Politics and Hypocrisy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- It's time to talk about one of my favorite games, made by a dev team that would probably despise my guts. Regardless, it's super good.
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I solved the entire game as a supercop, became good friends with Kim, found the pigs, sobered up. it was very wholesome.
same
I think I did normal cop
Honestly, this whole game is really heartwarming when you redeem Harry. It’s just a story about a man finding meaning in life through bettering himself.
I just remember getting the achievement "Unbelievably Boring Fuck" very early...although Kim still called my a druggie at the end XD
As far as I'm in, this is the better route.
"I was killed by communism."
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
The studio getting bought by a billion dollar conglomerate and the lead getting committed to an asylum is the only thematically just end to the series.
Ain't that ironic
Kurvitz book actually ends with one of MC's throwing himself into the pale i think, so, yeah.
We truly live in a simulation
Yeah I’m gonna need a follow up on that asylum comment, I can’t find anything anywhere.
@beansalsa3319 I was following the whole thing at the time. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but iirc it wasn't Kurvitz but another lead dev, in fact his medium post was the one that broke the story about what happened to the studio and how Kurvitz was removed
"The lead dev spent all his time preaching communism while doing no work himself." Sounds like a textbook communist to me.
The way this video engages with Kurvitz is laughable and demonstrably false. He exaggerated how much he contributed to the game (that he didn’t get to finish since he was removed before the Final Cut). That’s fair enough. Everything else is just untrue. The creator really likes to brush over the fact that everyone remaining who was working on the game was exorcised. Argo apparently doesn’t know what’s happening in a studio he worked at for years? That he has personal experience in? The documentary was a massive step towards the incoming conclusion of the lawsuit between Kurvitz and ZA/UM and everyone knows that it will be used as evidence in court. I’m hardly a communist but the creator brushes over the fact that ZA/UM heads used internal company resources to create, then buy up shares in their own company to increase their share and force Kurvitz out. Congratulation on the communism critique, but capitalism doesn’t seem to be too ethical either.
On his portrayal of Kurvitz; the only people who accused Kurvitz of any wrongdoing at the heads of ZA/UM. The woman who was used as an example of him being sexist said that claims were 100% untrue. It statements released recently, ZA/UM employees are talking about studio heads who enforced crunch, who were sexist to employees (in workplace culture and organisation). So it’s quite clear that Kurvitz was used as the scapegoat for these claims, and the fact that not a single person has backed up ZA/UM’s reasons for their dismissal of Kurvitz is further proof. Tulik is an easy source of statements on these topics.
When you look at the legal pressures put on Kurvitz, the way he was treated by the company (his own shares being illegally reduced) and compare that to the actions of ZA/UM’s heads it’s insane. He wrote almost the entire lore for the world. He’s been working on this universe for over a decade. Him being short with some designers and cocky is dick behaviour, sure, but lauded artists like Tarentinon have done far worse and are universally praised. Kurvitz’s own politics have been spun to make a “dramatic irony” out of the situation that simply doesn’t exist.
The complaints that he didn’t do enough work are especially egregious when not only did he make the world but he’s clearly an eccentric sort of artist who writes slowly. Not writing 24/7 is part of most writers creative process. Was he doing as much work as other writers? Yes. That’s true not only from his contributions to the world, but in his overall word count others have attributed to him. Was he working as HARD as ever other writer? No, and while he had excuses I think he could have done more, and he has since admitted the same. A lot of his time was going into plans for a sequel set in the same world, so while he was still doing plenty of work he could’ve contributed more to the game itself.
Comparing Kurvitz and ZA/UM is comparing someone who is a bit of a dick to a group who are straight up malicious.
And the way this creator engages with communism is maddening. Every corner of the political spectrum is satirised in this game, the centre most of all. Did they miss the most famous line in the game? I paraphrase; “complaining about other communists is one of the most important parts of communism”. This creator was so terrified of having his politics changed by the game he was completely oblivious to fact that it IS a critique of its own ideology.
If you played the game as most would, Harry gets a happy (enough) ending. If HE can overcome his struggles to make his life work, the rest of the human race could very feasibly strive to create a communist world that works. Or a capitalist one. Or anything better than what we have now. The game is about change and the individual who made this video seems absolutely terrified of it.
Apologies for the excessive comment but this comment section is devoid of people willing to engage with the game and its themes. If any one of them made a piece of art, they would scowl at the thought that people would engage with it in such a lazy and misinformed way.
tl;dr mentally ill Marxoid made mentally ill Marxoid game on the labor of others and got capped
Happy ending.
@@fmsyntheses Yes it is too long, yes, you didn’t read. Glad to see your critical thinking levels are improving. If you’ve even read the comment you’d see I agree with its critiques of communism. But for an echo chamber that joke was pretty good.
@@harrykirkham220homie, make your own comment if you’re gonna spend this much energy arguing to strangers. Nobody’s gonna give you the time you want in the replies to a comment made for a quick joke
@@mr.selyumor5402 Fair enough. As a like comment and top comment replying to it seemed the quickest way to see what people actually think about this game and how many of the people who watched this video have actually played/engaged with the game.
"I'd like to dedicate this award to my reformed Orthodox Rabbi, Karl Marx."
what about reformed orthodox Rabbi, Ted kaczynski? He was more correct
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 That dude is getting more and more vindicated, with each passing year.
Schrodinger's Communist:
Was she one of the communists or was the in-fighting so bad she deliberately sabotaged the game's reputation?
@@arsenelupin9697 My man if you ever actually read into anything or his diaries you’d know he was just a psychopath in it to kill people, but I’m not going to pretend people online saying this shit actually read into this shit and are just in for the edge.
@@arsenelupin9697 what is it with people and worshiping self destructing losers who didn’t even believe his own hype?
A thing I saw pointed out is that while you can run into people who deeply believe in communism, fascism, ultra-liberalism, etc., Harry taking up any of the political causes is something of a joke. And that makes sense: try as he might his core identity is washed up alcoholic, he doesn't genuinely seem to feel for any of these things, so instead he takes up this persona of what he thinks the ideal communist, fascist, ultra-liberal is.
A funny thing I will note, though, is that despite all this *he is super effective.* In just five to ten days he solves just about ever facet of a murder, and that's with using his discretion as he'd like to deal with everything surrounding it. The guy who got in his feelings going off about an ice-cop-hat-fuck-show in front of some poor drugged out girl on the sea ice is, unironically, one of the best detectives the RCM could have.
Man fuck the hat
I love Harry's explanation that he's a "highly experimental detective", because it actually checks out, man solved the case very effectively and Kim, who is clearly quite competent himself, regards you as genuinely brilliant by the end. At least he regarded me as such in my playthrough.
For me the game was mostly on how we try to rationalize something as simple as a lovebreak with something so insanely massive as a political ideology. In the mind of Harry, the ideology is simply the answer to why his girl dumped him:
-Liberalism: He was poor
-Moralism: He didn't value her opinions
-Communist: He didn't care about helping others beyond just arresting criminals
-Fascist: He was puny
Maybe this is a reach, but I wonder if there's also something to be said about the fact that since he's a cop, any attempt at relating to socialists or capitalists is just political theater. He could never fully support socialists because cops main purpose is to defend the property rights of the ruling class and he could never fully support capitalists because he benefits from socialist government policies like pay scales and healthcare (if cops in DE are anything like cops in the US), that capitalists want to abolish.
@@buntado6 For moralism, I'd say the rationalization was more "He wasn't 'normal' enough"
Rene is really good even outside of being a foil to the main culprit, and I'm glad you didn't skip his character.
I feel so bad for the dude, clearly struggling with PTSD. But he never gave up on life, he still played pentant with his childhood friend, despite all their bickering. RIP Rene.
@@1Sir-McKnightthe worst is uncovering his feelings towards his only companion, Gaston.
He's the very definition of "the worst thing you can do to your enemies is let them see you living well"
@kikrinman1450 I dont think it's that bad. The dude struggles with a lot of things and to an extent suppresses part of himself for the ideology he chose.
I wonder what he'd be like of the communards won. He was boiling piss for the suzerian
@@basitionhe would be dead. Either dieing fighting or in the first wave of purges
I will never get over that hilarious real-life joke; of people leaving their faith, and their church. Only to unwittingly/unconsciously pool their starved sense of idealism and belief over something else. To turn politics into faith, to turn political idols into figures of worship. And that same, dogmatic lifestyle...it's like, then why the heck did you leave your faith in the first place?!
This why I feel the "theist" vs "atheist" debate is missing the real issue with religion. You can leave a religion and still maintain spiritual beliefs. But instead people discard their beliefs, yet are bound to what is functional a religion.
@@radiokunio3738 It's the difference between spirituality and organized religion; one can still hold spiritual beliefs, but the moment you get wrapped up in an organized religion based around those beliefs, it (and those that are part of it) turns zealous and dogmatic. It's not "theism vs. atheism" - as in belief vs. non-belief - but "theism vs. religion vs. atheism" - as in belief vs. _organized_ belief vs. non-theistic belief.
Simply put: a theist can believe without religion, and an atheist can hold beliefs without gods, but religion _cannot_ exist without its followers, which requires their belief in itself. Religion is a co-opting of belief, and it applies to _all_ forms of belief, be it theistic (a belief in gods/spirits/supernatural concepts, etc.) or atheistic (a belief in idols/philosophies/forms of government, etc.). Communism, by its very nature, is a textbook religion; a belief in its system of governance, for its own sake, to the exclusion of all other systems, in spite of its diametric opposition to reality and human nature.
@@Armameteus I let a theistic bias came out in referring only to "spiritual beliefs". Beliefs are not always inherently spiritual, to my knowledge most tao and buddhist beliefs are comparable to christian deism, at least in the sense that belief is irrespective of theistism or atheism.
@@ArmameteusWell to be fair, there is room for individualism within religion. Many people now practice religion without going along with the zealots or draw firm line between them and the zealots. Zealots arise when people put their religion as a personality trait (imo) so a lack of adherence is seen as blasphemy.
@@thecod2345 I mean look at how many sects of Christian there are, granted some are declared as heretic but most are generally accepted into the fold
One of the messages in this game is basically "Don't make politics your whole personality or a way to cope a tragic event in your life"
Looks like the creators didn't follow that message.
@@ng8952 Fucking, DUH. Horowitz acknowledges they are all a little screwy in the head from Communist propaganda. He says "I wouldn't be a good little Communist if i didn't have a Lenin bust on my Desk, would i?"
@@ng8952Well. The hypocrisy.
@@JoaoVictor-rg5ix Typical commies.
@@ng8952 Yeah how dare they have beliefs and shit... I don't know those people but I can clearly safely assume their whole personality is politics even though I've never talked to them at all ever.
11:00 actually, the book "That Sacred and Terrible Air" is much older than Disco Elysium, what's new is it's translation to English. That was the first work Kurvitz wrote for the Elysium setting, but it basically sold nothing in Estonia. The faliure of that book sent Kurvitz into the depression and alcohol-and-drugs-fueled binge that would later inspire Harry's character.
A communist is a substance abuser and overall loser imagine my shock.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 People on the far end of the political spectrum usually suffer from mental illness, which does often lead to substance abuse. It's the logical outcome if you ask me.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 happened to Marx too, he was often seen sipping expensive wine.. well actually just full on gulping it down and then writing his book, its why he needed to rewrite it so many times and why some lines are repeated on his manifesto. he also didnt shower and was reported to stink alot, he even got sick often so its possible he had other issues as well.
Union leader sounds like Linkara...but fatter...
How could you do this to me.
The Lightbringer is helping me find my lost green m&m's
@@Kwality62it still blows my mind Linkara and Tucker Carlson both have the same taste in candy
Wait until you find out his response to Harry telling him he's an UltraLiberal.
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"MY PLAN HAS NO SAID SCHEDULE, IT'S DONE WHEN IT'S DONE!" xD
When I told my husband I bought this game recently, he asked if it was charged to my PH account and on sale because he didn't want the devs to be supported.
On my playthrough of the game, I played a sober cop who was logically gifted. It was very fun to see Harry get his life back together and solve the case using his intellegence to solve the case.
It was funny to see Harry's knowledge on random facts actually hampering the case in some cases. Very often, Encyclopedia gives actively not useful facts and rhetoric and drama making stuff up to support an ideology or to make things more dramatic than they actually were. I like that the skills act as additional party members. The more you level up the skills, the more they get to interact with your choices. I really think that more rpg games should make this the standard.
It makes it so that skills add to the experience and give you more information whilst also occasionally throwing a wrench into things for flavor. Its a really good game. Even if some of the creators themselves are dumb or hold bad ideas.
Regrettably this seems to be where the crowd you hang in can dictate your view of this.
I myself don't run in deeply political groups, so I came pretty fresh into Disco Elysium knowing it was just very well written, and by the end I didn't get the impression it was advocating for communism.
But if you hang around the 4Chan crowd, as the guy on this video stated, all you'll hear is about how Disco Elysium is commie propaganda made by communists. . . Then, as you can see with this video, he played the game and saw, like you and I, it was kinda just authentic even in it's outlandishness.
Real case of the creators themselves have compartmentalized things to focus on making a good game first, not just using the game as a vehicle for what ideals they do or don't have.
Disco Elysium is the new Starship Troopers for Media Discourse.
Nobody knows what they fuck they are talking about and it ignores what happens in it.
Underrated comment
Especially this guy. Its worse then the skillup video ☠️. Check out Noah Caldwells, he does a very well written video talking about the various aspects of the game unibiasedly and intelligently without completing missing the point of the entire game
Humans are bad at objectivity. We usually just bend reality around our pre-constructed worldview. It's natural most people do it.
@@DirtyMuzzie "the point of the entire game" its pretty simple, communism good capitalism and every other ideology bad, jews also bad cause they are capitalism.
The whole Xenoblade 2 thing. I always see people saying it was bad and I felt like I was in the minority of really liking it. Almost convinced myself to not like the game.
We gotta keep bugging Kirsche to play that series.
People who think that Iosef Dros is cool, are just typical Bunkerchan users, It's like looking in the mirror for them.
Dude is a literal cuck
God, meeting him was such a gut punch. I thought harry da bois was sad, and then this barely even there shell of a man washes up and drops SO MUCH dialogue in regards to a man so traumatized he isn’t merely unable to move on, but has this NEED to punish those that can.
At least in a playthrough harry can get his shit together and START to move on, Dros has literally locked himself in hell for 43 years.
Can’t imagine why anyone would think that’s “cool”. But it’s the internet, shouldn’t be surprised
@@Barely_Here You'd be surprised by the amount of severe brain damage among internet users.
Rubie calling u human can opener was like the best shit i ever witnessed and from their i started to working on forensics and trying to become a detective.
I always thought that the Mega-Rich-Light-Bending was like that beacuse of Harrier's perception. Like he was genuinely bamboozled of how rich the guy is in contrast to himself. I'm quite confident there are some dialogues that point out that Kim does not see anything weird but just an ordinary guy instead
I thought I'd talk about the Facist playthrough in Disco Elysium a bit because I think it's an interesting counterpoint to your views on the Communist path, and secondly because there's hardly any let's plays of a fascist Harry, it being algorithm poison.
Now my first playthrough was full moralist sorry cop Harry, but my second was hardcore Dirty Harry, and what surprised me the most was how nuanced the fascist playthrough was, and how wonderfully the themes mirrored Harry's own self destructive obsession with Dora.
You see, where the Communards believe they can will a better world into being, the Moralists are cowards who talk a lot about a better world but don't do anything to change the status quo, and the Ultraliberals don't care and openly stripmine society, the idea of the Fascist path is this: it's over.
Once Revachol was great and glorious and perfect, but that world died. It died a long time ago, and then there was the horrors of the revolution, followed the humiliation of the Coalition, and now the slow descent in its present day.
There is no fertile ground for that world to suddenly spring back into being - by now it's been crushed under the weight of history, barely alive in living memory.
This is why the Fascist Thought doesn't give you bonuses when you say fascist things, and hurts you instead. The actual bonus is better stat modifiers when you drink heavily. Don't fool yourself. That world is over. Drink to help yourself deal with reality, if you can't accept it sober.
In the political vision quests introduced in the later update, the fascist one is about Harry's quest to "Turn Back Time".
Again, this path is a huge reflection of how Harry can't deal with the loss of his ex-wife, and this quest pulls no punches.
At one point you sit down with Rene and ask about how to go back to the past and save everything - defeat the Communards, restore the Monarchy, win the girl.
He flies off the handle and lays into you. The says you're an idiot, a fantasist, a fool. There was a time once when that could have happened, but that was a long time ago. Maybe he could have done better, maybe people should have done more, maybe they just needed to be a bit luckier, but none of that matters now. It's over. It's been over for a long, long time. Deal with it. You can't turn back the clock, you can't fix what was, and it's never going to be like it used to.
After that, and a few conversations with some other fellows you get the opportunity to shave your face and gain a weird grin, but that's all secondary in my opinion.
This path, although it's not very youtube friendly at times, is probably the healthiest path for Harry to go down, as it makes him deal with the fact that It's Over.
Yeah, it's all a bit fucked up because Harry is a collection of character defects masquerading as a human being, but that's to be expected.
Anyway, that's my piece, as there's not much information about the Fascist playthrough out there, and I found it surprisingly sophisticated at times, though it is very heavy handed at parts saying that "racism bad", overall it's at least an interesting depiction to contrast with the rest.
Also, I'm an unabashed Jean Vicquemare apologist. Harry is a drunk, junkie piece of shit that spends more time looking into defunct game companies than actually solving the murder. You've been like this for years and he's had enough of your shit so when you tell him to fuck off he finally leaves, only to turn up the next day to see if you're in as bad a shape as he's heard, and from then he stays nearby and keeps his eyes on you. When you're out on the ice with Acele, a failed Authority check reveals that Jean is watching you from the shore with binoculars. Also you can talk to him in Whirling-in-Rags about development on the case and he'll give you small guidance and restore your mental health bar. And although he leaves before you find Ruby, (but leaves the shrink behind to observe you) and so misses the tribunal, afterwards when he hears you are awake, the heads over except you've already headed to the island.
Jean Vicquemare propaganda aside, good video even if it dwelled a bit too much on the communist stuff for my liking, but I guess some people have to be beaten over the head with the message before they get it.
I had the same experience about what you said. I watched the video after not playing the game ever.
I tried to play it a few years ago but the whole lucky random numbers made me angry.
This time I let it go, played a full game and thought about most of the things this video speaks and what you said. It was too funny when the fascism path opened, it was a total 'bad' path. They truly put it on your face that it was bad...
But the 'fascists' you meet, are very broken and mostly sad people. They don't say it aloud and just like referred in your writing, they know it's over.
It's the melancholy of the past... And I am 100% onto what you said about Harry's partner. Maybe Harry does a full 180 of his life after the game, but until then, he wasn't worth it.
Fascism is my 2nd favorite political quest. I agree that it feels the most important and impactful when it comes to the player's personal life, getting over his lost love. Also I love Jean Vicquemare, too many people hate him...
Im glad Saul is a recurring character.
People only hate the millionaires but they have no problems letting some millionaires have power over them this is why you don't listen to hypocritical people
Everyone's a hypocrite, though. Look at the sheer number of conservatives who screech about the elites, celebrities, etc...until an elite celebrity like Elon Musk says the things they agree with lmao.
@@hihihi1q23 calm down, there is something worse than hypocrisy and that's the mother of all political issues: greed and ignorance
@@hihihi1q23 Which god do you pray to boy
@@hihihi1q23 oooo a whataboutism. haven't seen those in a while.
@@spooky-scarecrow The original comment is a whataboutism tho? "So you say you dislike millionaires? *What about* those others millionaires you let have power over you? Curious." Point is, it's basically impossible to be 100% morally consistent on everything. We're hypocritical creatures. Best we can do is be aware of that and try to reach as much consistency as possible.
I took your advice and watched the People Make Games documentary. It was very well researched, but dear God I wish I could unsee that comment section.
I'd forgotten how obnoxious Disco Elysium fans can be.
It was pure unwashed Reddit.
Disco Elysium has one of the most monumentally retarded fanbases ever, entirely because they're morons who think communism has any potential to work despite countless decades of evidence showing it's detrimentally counter to basic human nature.
@@Mariodash23 The biggest issue I have with communism, as far as I've come to understand it, is that it proposes an eschaton that doesn't in any way take into account human shortcomings and vice.
@@seg162Human nature is the x factor that Marxism never tries to address, except in one way: anyone who doesn't buy into the cause, for any reason, needs to be forced to buy in or excised from society to maintain ideological purity. Marx himself stated in the CM that anything up to and including murder was permissible if it achieved the end goal.
When one of the two minds behind the ideology you subscribe to justifies murder for ideological purity and a *shot* at success, your ideology sucks. End of discussion.
This game feels like if Dishonored was more about politics, not only the art style and setting but the stickbug creature evil ass entity just make the comparison click.
I do find it interesting that the developers who support communism showed the willingness to criticize their own political belief and show its flaws in their game.😺
Because "real communism has never been tried"........
@@arsenelupin9697real communism, because communism has 12 different shades of it and none of them seems to work, AT ALL.
If memory serves the people of Revachol tried French Revolution - style socialism and suffered an economic depression. They went to war with the neighboring country for resources and were so badly defeated that they became a client state for that world's UN.
They poke a little fun at it but still obviously consider it "correct".
Playing at all right leaning will get you portrayed as a fascist racis woman hating cartoon while moralist and neolib are sellouts but play as a commie and your biggest flaw is simply idealism according to the game.
This is how commies see the world and themselves, everyone else is evil and they aren't petty spiteful busybodies like we all know them to be at worst they think themselves jus naive.
@@crazymcgee3604Wait… so if my history sensors are working correctly… I think I know what ideology is coming next lmao
Need videos like this for Persona. All of them. Counteract those video essays, Loli!
God I hated persona 4-5 especially video essays about them
personasa sucks ass now
This game and the story behind it is just a perfect microcosm of the absolute brainroting politics of the 2020's
Disco Elysium is one of the funniest games I’ve ever played! I probably laughed harder playing this game than any other. It’s a fantastic example of comedy writing done well.
It definitely sounds like the "squid game effect" yknow... the nain guy said it was a whole critique on capitalism... just to have themes of the opposite. And a bunch of retorts to such.
Seems like you gotta actually extrapalate to see the actual dread thats happening
Dude I fucking love Kim. And Harry. Both are the every man that if you play the game for the best outcomes which let’s be honest we regularly do, they are the individual struggling with being an individual but manage to come out on top of all this stupid shit with politics
Two lore mistakes I've noticed. They don't affect the larger arguments though.
42:00
"He knows he is a target. He knows Moralintern is watching him"
Not entirely true. If you try to rat out Klaasje to the Sunday Friend but packpedal in the final moment and say that Evrart needs to be arrested, the Sunday Friend will reveal that Moralintern can't do anything about him. Moreover it is revealed that Claire travels to Safre(which is on another isola), where he negotiates the drug trade.
1:14:41
"Dros tried to teach him[Evrart] communist doctrine"
Not him. If you pass some passive checks you realise that it was Edgar, who visited Dros. Edgar is Evrart's brother. Unlike Evrart, who is very pragmatic in his leftism, Edgar was described as a more straightforward leftist, a social democrat with a strong Mazovian influence. With a degree in humaties studies or smth. Although it is still a possibility that Edgar is prone to ideologival sweettalk, just like Evrart with Harry. Dros also says that Edgar is much smarter than Evrart.
10:00 I watched the same documentary as you did and got a completely different impression of the situation. It felt like a mess "he said she said" situation where the actual truth is murky. Don't always take things at face value, everyone lies, believing only just one side of the story without considering others is just giving into your bias. Makes one no better then those people who turned "believe all women" and #metoo hastags into clusterfucks.
"So there's this talking stick bug..."
Ok, I'll play the damn game...
I loved the game when I bought it a few years back. It looked like post-Soviet Eastern Europe or what I imagine Paris looked like after the Directory were ousted by Napoleon. If only those buildings could talk...
When I found out that there were both capitalists and socialists in ZA/UM I wasn't terribly surprised; a game that goes after every ideology with that level of precision had to have experts of several ideologies working on it. It made me examine my own ideological background and really dig into how it could (or maybe would) fail if it were implemented and how it could be changed to work better. Disco Elysium is one of my favorite games, up there with the likes of Super Metroid, Sonic and Knuckles, Half-Life 2 and Super Mario Bros. 3 (the first video game I ever played). It takes something like, 'who shot this merc?' and makes it into something so much more whimsical, profound and dark.
And if you really can't stomach giving ZA/UM your money you can wait for it to go on sale (which it does quite often on Steam and GoG). Of course there are other ways involving black flags and peg legs, but I can't promote that...in the open.
I feel the complete opposite, I CAN more than stomach ZA/UM, mostly cause the exploitative and asshole of a communist himself doomed his own ownership of the game. all cause he refused to learn economics from actual economists and not bedwetting marxists thinking what economy is in their own house based off of jewish folklore.
55:55 I dont think dros is the coolest character in the story by a long shot, but there is something compelling about someone who is so warped from hatred, loneliness, and guilt that it has replaced any bit of humanity or rationality in him. Not good, or inspiring, or likeable as a person, but compelling as a character.
Subbed to the channel for Beserk content (incredible btw), enjoyed random vids about Conan and Starship Troopers, and then this was timed perfectly for me, having impulse bought the game and finished day 1 (pausing the video to play as directed) and then watching some more of the video which matched my investigation. Great stuff - please do more interesting game videos like this 👍🏻
The fact that the entire centrist run is about how centrist are too coward to actually take action and don't have any beliefs (And the fact that the game seems to despice them even more than fascist) kinda fucks this entire reading up.
Disco Elysium makes fun of all ideologies (Or the people who follow them instead) because this game is ultimately a satire, but is clear based in the setting, worldbuilding and the dialogues of apolitical characters that the game is left-leaning, always putting itself in the position of pro-workers, against cops, corporations, or international institutions, ultimately showing that the reason why this happens is because of them. This videogame criticizes people who follow communism mostly, for being too idealistic and self-centered to actually do something about the issues they supposedly go against, the communist route isn't about how communism is stupid and cringe, is mostly about how bad communists are at organizing due to their snobbism, it never denies the issues that communism tackles, it criticizes communists for not doing anything about it and fighting each other over nonsensical idealisms instead of being more pragmatic, with a dose of biterness and cynism because satires are suppose to ridicule.
"(And the fact that the game seems to despise them even more than fascist)"
Never in my entire play through have anyone or the game despise me for being apolitical except the extreme political people, in fact most NPCs replies when you give an apolitical answer is "Yes, this whole political discussion doesn't help", "True, we shouldn't be taking sides on this investigation", the game telling me I'm boring or move on with the discussion, even Kim keeps telling you to focus on the task at hand and stop the political schizophrenia with you choose any of the politics.
Can you give examples where the game despise them? And I'm not talking about being moralist, I mean truly apolitical.
@@sleepyguy4237 I was talking about being a centrist (Moralist), being apolitical is simply avoiding all tasks regarding politics so the game can't really make fun of it, the game mocks your ideology based on the tasks you make, so being “apolitical” in the sense of never taking sides, it would still be related to moralism, while being apolitical in the sense of completely ignoring all discussions about politics would mean you're skipping a gameplay mechanic.
@@HorusDiSaset But rejecting and ignoring politics is also part of the gameplay. The main point of the game is that your choices matter and the game dictates what type of character harrier is by the end of the game by the choices you made.
Example is the task of taking an old man's sandwich, when you succeed that task the game tells you that you're a piece of shit and you're wasting time but I choose to ignore that task of taking that man's sandwich since why would I want to? Just because I don't want to be a piece of shit or join some political side doesn't mean that I am skipping gameplay.
@@sleepyguy4237 I know, what I mean is that if you skip politics, is dumb to think you'll get political commentary, the same way that you can skip a ton of tasks or chunks of the game, some of which can have a ton of depth to it, I completed my first playthrough without ever knowing about the Pale.
Your posture is basically identical to Kim's one, and he's labeled as a moralist, so if you played without actively avoiding politics, you would get a moralist run.
Glad that you make this video before HBomberGuy because i can't imagine how much of a dickriding will he make about this game
Can't wait, it's a pretty good game
@Ostrava_Of_Boletaria i mean, his video on plagiarism pretty much exposed him as a hypocrite for me
@@jurtra9090 Hbomberguy's pic and content history is an example under the literary definition of "hypocrite".
@@CloakofAuron used to like the guy for a long time (he made me replay Fallout New Vegas and try Soulsborne games), until his "plagiarism" video that doesn't even try to attack his fellow commietubers makes me realize that he's no different
@@jurtra9090hboomer is a breadtuber trash just like like the rest of them.
For a long time, I felt like I was one of very few people who saw this game for what you're describing in this video. I'm glad to see that I'm not the crazy one for not thinking this game is all for Communism.
never ever talk to commies
A commie girl back in the day “fell for me”, I felt like I was unironically in Vietnam.
"Never talk to commies" Mfers when the commies say "say nothing if you're a feggit."
💀
@@officercat7907 jesus, what happen.
@@charlumau shared her "Means of re-production" to too many men im guessing, "sharing" is a very good excuse by socialist or communist wh8res who cant close their legs
Reject communism embrace kind fisherman lady and dance club
embrace economy books from economists, reject economy books from communists who "researched it" by reading jewish folklore
And here i am. Tequila Sunset. Getting a Shitstorm from seagulls and dancing with Kim to industrial music. Code 31!
Im a superstar. Its the face of a superstar.
I was a harry that was just hurt, he felt bad for his actions but didnt know how to change. He didnt mean to hurt anyone or have them get hurt because of him, he just wanted the party to keep going and didnt know why people dont wanna party with him. He lost the person who was most important to him and fell into a downward spiral, always wanting to claw his way up but would still fall due to his inability to change. He went through hell during the game, had to confront his feelings with Dora and the fact that its over, and had to draw similarities to himself and the veteran, how he would end up like that if he doesnt change his ways. Bitter, sad, alone and blaming everyone else for what he is. Realizing he needed to change. Very therapeutic experience. What a beautiful game. Definitely one of if not my favorite.
The fun fact - while this video was made - almost at the same time Argo Tuulik (that last of 4 main authors, whos interview was presented here and in investigation) was fired from the company together with 1/4 of all remaining workers. And in new interviews he admitted that new management (after firing those "toxic commies") was even worst.
"ZA/UM head writer Dora Klindžić told Sports Illustrated that over the past two months, X7 developers have been suffering from crunches, burnout and conflicts in the studio. Many of those who complained about what was happening ended up on the list of those being fired. She added that now some of the developers will be forced to leave the UK - after being fired, they will lose their immigration status."
I played disco Elysium the only ideology i ever went for was the ultra liberal even selling that artwork piece to the reality bending guy because i thought that it was so ridiculous it was funny.
Also because i really wanted to pay back kim his money.
I think the game does a good job in not taking any sides and criticizing every side
yeah: capitalism evil, centrism stupid, liberalism is slavery, libertarian is evil, fascism is mega evil, communism is holy and good and perfect and idealistic and beautiful and functional.. so much critique..
You know I didn't expect a game with all this ideology talk surrounding it to have the message that love, friends, and life itself matter more than ideology.
yes.. and if only people realized all that is behind communism.. friendship isnt political! just be a communist to get it tho! (cause thats actually the only ideology with a good ending in the game)
Nice, i literally bought Disco Elysium yesterday and i will play it as soon as i finish Pathfinder: Wrath of The Righteous.
Having Saul as a partner must be both entertaining and annoying experience. Hats off to you Lolli for being able to do it with great chemistry
So, communists acted like communists and fucked over the game and people who worked on it. I am surprised the game ended up as good as it was.
and ofcourse the only good ending comes from communism. I love how it tries to defend itself with "but im giving it critique!", no its just purity spiraling..
"Im a real communist hes fake! no I AM, hes a liar! no im a true communist!" is what allways happens to communist groups. the game just says "oh yeah 99% of us are full of shit, but the 1%! we tell the truth and know whats right despite being a near carbon copy of others!"
classic infighting and flinging shit at others to disguise the fact you dont believe yourself to be flawed, or your style of that ideology (I have seen communist re-invent money lol, ive also seen them at war cause of pure design choices of their symbol)
Sacred and terrible air was not singing the praises of communism, that's an enormous misunderstanding of the whole thing.
1:26:19 - "Clarice Lispector: Complete Stories"
This has nothing to do with anything, but she's a writer from my country and I'm just amused to see that book there.
I never slept on the sofa at the end because I really wanted to see the end of the game. Had no idea it would be so important to Harry's past. Guess I'll have to save that for a future playthrough.
I got to the Dross segment, and I have to say that people run. As a soldier, when we were mortared, grown men broke down into tears while we sat huddled in a bunker, people tried to run that I pulled by their collars to stay put.
War has become some sort of "game" to people. But as someone who lived through it, you do not regen health after being shot, and to relate to current kids there is no "chug jug" when you get hurt during a war conflict, you will probably die, unless someone is watching your back. And even then, you better hope they have their shit together enough to help you.
Running wasn't Dross' fatal flaw. It was, to quote Norm Macdonald, "the hypocrisy!" Being understandably afraid is so much less contemptible and repellant than being a cowardly hypocrite is.
I'm glad the game humanizes most of its characters and endears us to their hopes, fears and beliefs, even if the developers are biased personally.
Dross stayed on a tiny little island, that he could leave at any time, in order to fight a fight that ended long ago that he couldn't actually take part in because he ran. It's a very common theme in the game, being trapped and tortured by your past but not letting it go because it's an admission. If he stops fighting on that island he has to admit to himself that he never even started fighting to begin with.
Persona OST makes good background music. Next playthrough, RP as Junpei Iori, ace detective
I am so glad you made this video. The amount of Americans who's takeaway from the game is that communism rules is baffling and scary.
I loved this game. It told me that i can rebuild myself one day,just choosing so. Grabbing onto anything to keep me afloat,adopting anything that gives me strenght.
There is an anecdote I love about the lead dev of the original Deus Ex bumping into an old friend at a game-con. They go to the bar to catch up, the friend gets drunk, starts ragging on the dev for making a game full of “right wing conspiracies”, another attendee overhears and says “what do you mean, the game was lefty like nothing else”, and starts an argument with the drunk over the political messaging of the game. The dev slips away at that point, musing with chagrin that he didn’t try to make a left or right-wing game, just a world of corpo-war and characters that had different opinions and reactions to it.
That’s the real meaning of “art shouldn’t be political”: sure, it can have political themes or applicable messages, but they should never be all-encompassing, they should never be simplistic, they should never be unilateral, and they should never come at the expense of fun gameplay or fully-realized characters & story. If Deus Ex had been a story where all the answers were only found in one idealogy, it would not have become a legend, just like how if Disco Elysium had been nothing more than an ode to “The Revolution” it would have had no redeeming qualities. Games that beat you over the head with a single ideological polemic are nothing more than propaganda. They are advertisement. And no one has patience or genuine fondness for political ads. And this is why Western communists and Uber-progressives suck: they are soulless freaks who want to ruin your entertainment by making every single franchise into a brand-themed overt soapbox to proselytize their religion at the expense of being enjoyable or nuanced. And they pretend you are the one with the problem.
Do not let them get away with that garbage. Make them go bankrupt, and celebrate their failures.
I've been told the devs wanted to be impartial, but I've watched 10 playthroughs of DE and all but one of them (shoutouts to Woolie) went down the Communist route. There has to be a bias present in the game's design if 9/10 players all choose the same route.
It's net worth or nothin'. Lower-right quadrant for life.
Personally I found it’s as easy as just rejecting it when it tries suggesting the route.
Went moralist myself and stayed away from politics and tried to better Harry’s life as much as possible.
Took your advice on this one and held off watching the video before playing the game and I'm very glad I did. Fantastic game.
Ok, so what was the recent tweet that went out that made the documentary "age like milk"
It was reports of Za/um getting more layoffs, so people who didn’t like the documentary blamed it on that
Every dev is taking a hit, they arent special
@@Ralphopotamus Exactly.
@@Ralphopotamus "The people who create based things I like are forbidden to have cringe opinions"
Very rare that I hit a spoiler warning and bugger off but ... yeah I'm'a head out. I'm sold.
during my first day at my new job i told my boss that i enjoy philosophic read, like Pascal and Engels. after 2 hours the thought hit me. "Engels? Did I just tell my boss that i'm pro-communist? Screw you Disco Elysium!"
WWay after my first playtrough i stumble in some vids stating how this game is a "love letter" o communism. I'm glad you got the same idea as me, its semes each time i play this game i got more convinced that ideology is the poison to ones soul.
Communism: Work for ye, but not for me.
Breadtuber always defend it but people who actually from those former countries with it have different thoughts on it they telling you it not worth it in the first place I think I listen to people who witnessed the evils of Communism in the first place over some stupid person who's never lived in the country in the first place.
*Cough Hassan Cough*
I will say this about communism because I live around a lot of actual commies, in the same way that I used to be surrounded by rightoids.
They sort of admitted to my face that the ideology itself speaks of an ideal to emulate and not one to realise, because Marx never explained how a communist society looks like. I think it makes sense, somehow. Everyone had a different vision of an ideal world with different structures, and in the confusion, the ambitious ones with influence (ie: Mao and Stalin) took it all for themselves and made it all a zealot-ish religion. Now they're trying to repair the damage... At least those who live in Europe and are not brain-rotted by Murican politics.
The people I talk with are students, some of them are workers. I doubt they're capable of accomplishing anything and their supposed allies refuse to hear one word of what they say and think they're all stalinists.
Its sad, really.
It's like thinking fascism is a good idea. You will be compared to Hitler deservedly
well clearly they arent being honest with you if thats what you got from them, seriously.. they all believe in "the end goal" yet theres no defined method towards that? isnt that just religion or faith?
Marx himself said that once its achieved there will be small communities taking care of eachother, and having a hard time to defeat new arising imperialism or feudalism or capitalism (cause those things didnt allways exist, they were born and can be born again).
Hey Loli a question, if I may. I see you are quite often using the Sunless Skies OST in your videos. Have you played this game, or do you just like the soundtrack? Because if you haven't... Oh boy, give it a try. It's beautiful. The atmosphere is oozing from the screen. Even though I really don't like some of the quirks, It's still a very good game, and definitely worth your while.
Dude, i beg please review Who's Lila.
Just want to share my experience and how repalyable the game is
I have only recently played it and fisnihed my third and final playthrough today
1st:physical l supercop who did lots of drugs and alcohol messed up a lot and got the worst ending in the game
2nd: Intelellectual moralist and luckiest man on earth was the best detective did like everything right and won so many low skill checks in the game it was insulting
3rd: Empathetic communist cop, really imaginative, did really crazy stuff failed a lot, but I did side quests and got better. I got sober and learned all the secret lore about the pale and world and did every side quest on the game helping the community and became best friends with Kim getting the best ending and feeling satsified that it was my final playthrough
Also my take of the politics was no matter what side i picked it sucked and failed in a way but when the phasmid appears it shows that beyond the pale (figuratively and literally) its possible to discover a new way of living and to help each other that escapes the cyclical failures of the present. But then again the apocolypse is coming so who knows. 😅
The most reddit of games
"facism pure evil and disfunctional, lets ignore how it became so powerful or had good propaganda! anyways communism = good ending"
Really glad to finally see a video about Disco Elysium without the Twitter Commie bias to it. I played the game a while ago and also thought despite occassional moments that feel like "All ideologies bad but communism at least MEANS WELL!", the game overall wasn't as preachy as commies like to imagine. I even remember seeing some video where a guy claimed that attempting a fascist playthrough "made him feel uncomfortable" and he had to stop(And naturally claimed that his commie playthrough made him feel totally happy XD).
One little thing I felt I should mention... maybe I misheard something, but it kinda sounds like you referred to the district the game happens in as Revachol, and treated Jamrock as separate town, while Revachol is the entire city with Jamrock and Martinaise(The name of the district game happens in) being districts in it.
These videos are always amazing! Can't wait to see more! Thank you for your hard work!
The game resonated with me a lot more because I am Estonian. The experience was like, wow that can totally be a allegory for Estonia and the ex Soviet type of thinking. environmental details of a bygone era like the damage from a old war or symbols and monuments for a regime best forgotten,it hit home. First time I played it I even didn't know it was made by Estonians. Only thanks to the credits I knew.
Very good game and one of the best reviews of the game I have seen thus far. Thank you
how unfortunate that the Estonian creator loved it when houses were blocks and the wall decor was just black mold. nostalgia doesnt discriminate against age. the reason my grandpa had nostalgia is because his own parents traded in the black markets for cheap goods and often skipped out on their own meals.. it took him a long time to wake up to the fact that the system did not indeed make everything better (it gave him the illusion that apple jam sandwiches were brought to him thanks to communism, he was just fed good food what was to be found around)
My very first playthrough of Disco ended when I tried to punch a kid and the strain was too hard for my weak body and i died of a heart attack. 10/10
that's some space station 13 type of shit.
i hit on a woman fucked up so hard my character probably hung himself in embarassment... it was my first human interaction 10/10 game for sure
Mine died for sitting at the union leader office
@@nicbahtin4774 i have an ass of steel wasnt even a fuckin problem comfiest chair ive ever sat in ong
How much did the virtual dice hate you?!
The Soviets may have screwed over the creator of Tetris but at least he won in the end.
How did he win?
@@music79075 After 10 years the rights went back to him and he cofounded the Tetris company who've been the owner ever since (co-owned by that guy who got the rights for Nintendo), both families are millionaires because of it.
@@music79075it is beloved and hailed beyond its original release
@@music79075moved to texas and got ip rights
@@music79075Tetris exists the USSR does not
For me the perfect ending for Harry is him quitting his job and go out finding more mythical creatures like The Insulindian Phasmid, exploring the world and most importantly Henry finally having true happiness
A dream all of us share.
"The studio shut down and the lead developer is locked in an insane asylum."
Perfect time to buy the game.
You spelled pirate wrong.
@@Shatterstar What? At least pay money for quality no matter how the creator chose to live.
@@NebLleb The creators are no longer with the company, they will not see a dime of it. And I did buy the game before the team who made it pretty much was laid off. If I remember right, I bought the game after watching Uricksaladbar's video about Heavy Rain vs Disco Elysium.
@@NebLleb A shit-tier investor and owner of the company fired/replaced all the people who made the game effectivly gutting the soul of the company and the peopel who actually created the thing we all love.
The best quote for the situation is "Now that I've got the golden egg, and killed that pesky goose, all the money will come rolling in!". It's a damn shame the exact thing they were talking about it the game ended up happening to them.
@@NebLlebWrong
In honor to the marxist creators of the game, I sailed the high seas, in order to give the game a try - I wouldn't want to offend them with my dirty money.
Good man
Why you need to pirate it?
It's OUR game.
@@cedricwine You're correct - we should all get some money of the back end ^^
Giving money to communists is like giving steak to a vegan.
I mean, it’s not like any of the money would go to the actual creators anyhow.
Harry feed the deep fryer the bag of ice
LET HIM COOK
*[SOUND OF DICE ROLLING, SOUND OF SOMETHING BREAKING]*
Empathy "Really Harry, will you let him starve to death? Give him a warriors end."
A case needs to be solved that involves a massive conspiracy involving many groups that are a part of it.
Disco Elysium: **words, words, and more words.**
Max Payne 3: "Guns, lots of guns."
Love them both.
Who goes into this game under the illusion it’s got combat?
Max Payne 3 sucks.
@@NebLleb Yeah kinda.
_Isaac Asimov has entered the chat_
Harry is a true super star girlboss and the world will respect his authority
I loved Rene because he's the type of person I've found around here in Italy where I live, I actually like how he's actually badass unlike Dross.
I do like how the most sympathetic character, it's an old guard monarchist.
Rene is such a good person too, he didn't enter the war because of ideology but because he loved his nation, more than he loved who ruled it and even went on clear suicide mission by idiotic commanders because he thought it was his duty and he was forever scared for doing that and he doesn't even take pride in surviving against the impossible odds, he even looks down on it as a failure, like I can't help but love him so much as a character.
@@kieranhurst8543 By saying that shouldn't that mean that if you love a person, that's ideology too?
spotted the fascist lol
@@ehsanghazavi470 Cope and Seethe commie.
@ehsanghazavi470 you will never be a real revolutionary
Dross really is the worst parts of the human condition made into one man…
Look carefully at that word. Dross. Noun. Waste or impure matter.
Methinks the name was deliberate.
@@Harley_Mitchelly I wondered about that myself…
@@Harley_Mitchellythank you, Encyclopedia and Dramatics Check.
@@martinmortyry7444 Hooray for inadvertent joke that totally works now that someone's pointed that out!
@@Harley_Mitchelly Sorry. I'm so sorry, for everything.
You and Shota kicked my ass into playing this game a year and some change ago. I still am very satisfied with the decision to listen to you guys and go through a proper couple of playthroughs of this magical, lightning-in-a-bottle game. So thanks funny Berserk man.
luv me disco, luv me Kim, luv me voices, 'ate commies
Simple as.
I grew up in a post-soviet country. And disco elysium was that one game that described living in such a country very VERY well. I noticed a lot of people who criticize or praise the game don't really get it. And that's understandable, since they can't get it, they never experienced living in a post soviet hellhole. They don't understand how it feels to see once a big and very flawed country disappearing overnight, all its shaky systems built upon fear destroyed, multiple bloody revolutions everywhere, people deaths, leaving wounds on society that never heal. They never saw how everything collapses, education going to shitter, corruption spreading, populace either not caring or can't do anything. And this hell never really ends, we can only pretend it's over after 30 years, but the damage is already done. The system gave birth to multiple totalitarian shitholes with no future.
Revachol is an amazing example of such a failed state. Political activism in any form is not welcome there, you might think the establishment is on your side, but it isn't. Democracy, capitalism, communism - those are just words, silly concepts to fool simple folk like their opinions worth something. The only language that works and gets you places is money, hence corruption on every level imaginable.
I always disliked how people see Disco Elysium as some commie propaganda when it wasn't.
Now, I don't know if it was the authors' intention or wasn't, but they nailed the feeling of this dread very well, and I never felt like they say "this particular political movement works, you should follow it". And the game was honestly fun. Didn't even know their company ended up where it ended. And that's kinda sad, but also ironically fitting with the game's themes.
Living in a post-Soviet hellhole, huh? I understand that. But something about it just didn't feel right.
You're talking about a big and very flawed country disappearing overnight, with systems built on fear being destroyed, but with them - education going to shit, corruption spreading, the population either not caring or not being able to do anything...
So if something is going to go to shitter - it has to be better in the first place, right? So it was better in some ways before, while the Soviet was active.
And after that, after the crushing of the Soviet ideology, why didn't it change for good even after 40 years, if communism was the main problem for all of it?
In the end, I agree that DE didn't say which political movement is better, nor did they portray communism by any good. But I also don't think that some of the ideas of communism are bad, like free education for everyone, free medicine, stable prices and general idea of peace for everyone.
@@aldecotan all these ideas do sound good on paper. But making them actually work is hard, almost impossible. Especially so here in eastern-europian/asian countries with plethora of our own problems like specific mentality, for example. They did it, more like forced it (with casualties and everything), but it worked for generations. Generations who didn't know how non-communist society function, most of whom were living in fear or very high on ideology. Obviously when everything crashed and burned the absolute majority didn't know what to do hence the collapse into the dark 90s: multiple wars, revolutions, dictatorships rising, corruption e.t.c.
As someone living in a socialist country that seems to be holding up out of sheer stubornness, it is very interesting to see accounts of people living in the post-soviet countries. I wonder if my country will end up like that during my lifetime.
I think the fact that the game IMMEDIATELY castigates you for picking fascism, but praises you for picking communism is why people say it's biased.
Damm. Actually its not that different from my country. Brasil. Exploring Martinaise made me remember of my own District.
The lack of structure. High levels of violence, drugs, a youth without a future...
Shit hits close to home mate.
Ngl.
That whole infra-materialism plot point is hilarious if you know about lysenkoism.
Sounds like something from a self-help book.
Yea no eastern European unironicly will pick commie path
@@ZX-Gear Pretty much, but mercifully most self-help authors don't have a willing ear in the government to make their crackpot ideas actual policy.
@@ZX-Gear - Exactly, but imagine some self-help guru who never had any success outside of selling their books about "self-worth" was put in charge of all farming and everyone who didn't follow their methods to the letter was shot.... Also the methods involved maximizing the "self-worth" of the plants themselves. This literally happened in history.
@@bschneidezReally? When?!?!?!?!?!?!
Played as a moralist, law jawed, cop of the apocalypse, with stats put in everything but intelligence. It was very interesting playthourgh, Harry could basically read people like a book and then open them up like a can opener despite not being book smart, was a ace shot, so good at his job he was able to save the most lives, did believe in the church's religion or at least showed due reverance (which changed the dialogue for that final dream sequence adding context to why he saw his exwife like that) and tried to stop the Pale from growing, only to step back because he had a job to do, treated people fairly despite his utter hatred of commies, which left Evert up a creek without a paddle when he did everything you can to be a utter thorn in his side (Letting the Hardie Boys live is indeed the better option for that outcome) and finally despite being so alone before he was able to reconnect with the outside world, completely get off the drugs and booze, find new friends and possibly a new love interest. The game is brilliant and I do wish it would it got that expansion and sequel but sadly the vocal crazy minority that calls themselves the game's main fanbase and mistreatment of the real people who worked on the game, while that commie took all the credit saw to it that will never come to be.
The main devs that made the game had long since left. There was never going to be a Disco Elysium 2.
I did something similar, except I went way more John Hartigan than Joe Friday. Shivers, Visual Calculus, Perception. Every character interaction was basically "just the facts, ma'am". Avoided political leanings, vices, just tried to be professional. In the end it was nice to see Kim describe the character I played as worthy of wearing the badge.
I did not realize how...delusional some of the fans are about this game until I had a convo with one. It was the "this is a communist game" position, which is entirely different than what I experienced. The game is just about morality in general, it's apparent that Kim is the voice of reason, he is very nuanced and not overtly opinionated. But that's just communists being communists I guess, they always think their beliefs transcend politics when they really don't.
@@Hypogean7 didnt leave, they just lost the rights to the game after they abused their workers
You nailed it. Great summary, great analysis.
It's been a few years since I've played the game myself so it was nice to get a refresher on some details I forgot and some that I've missed.
The only thing I disagree with is that Rene is a fascist, despite the game calling him a fascho. He's a monarchist and imperialist, which isn't the same.
You do realize you're the reason sparta punted babes off the cliff correct? *Sometimes you people are so easily recognizable that a society never even has to interact with you. We just know who you are, and your mannerisms. So please, keep talking and speaking and gesturing. We appreciate it.*
@@gymbmymb3465 You don't care about the morality of others-- you just want an excuse to abuse others, and you use vaguely and arbitrarily defined "morality" to do so. It's why you appeal to "a higher level of morality" and not any of the uses and benefits of such.
@@seg162Hold on, what did the other guy say? His message is gone.
Loli doing the full Rust Cohle/Dale Cooper routine with Harry just makes sense. Not sure if you caught it, but Inland Empire is also a nod to David Lynch.
Also, Fat Angus isn't Titus' brother, although he does have a brother who's mentioned to be a window repairman. He's the guy who replaced the broken window in the hostel.
Angus is his brother too. It confused me at first too. Angus is the youngest, but yeah their other brother is the window repair guy we never see.
@@TheAlmightyLoliis that so? I guess what you've said about experiencing things in different playthroughs is true, because I've gone through the game like six times without finding this fact out.
I generally like most of the Hardie Boys actually, especially Angus. It's a shame he's always a casuality in the Tribunal. Most of them are alright people I think, even Titus himself, they just fell for Evrart's bullshit hook, line and sinker. Breaking bread with Titus and possibly convincing him to work with you at the RCM is probably one of my favorite scenes you can have with him.
“Communists can’t even boil water correctly.” Is a fucking roast holy shit.
They can't boil water and now all of us have to suffer because of them.
Well, the USSR, country with like 40% of population being farmers and owning the best and the most fertile lands in Europe (like Ukraine) managed to starve almost every year from 1917 to 1956, when Nikita Khrushchev for the first time allowed import of grain, some of it even from the USA(!). And even after that, food supply was still a major, major issue until the USSR collapsed. In a massive, natural resources-rich country. Communism doesn't work because it's an ideology of lazy, corrupt, criminal fuckups.
@@UnknownOps Sadly, they seem to boil frogs just fine.
@@NuggetsNBAChampsDamm. Some Savage Commie roasts in this comment section. 😅😅😅😅
That cryptozoologist mission line was the best. Like the entire game i thought it was just a joke i played just to get xps. Then it actually happens at the end with like my favorite character Kuno.
Nobody fucks with Cuno!!!!
I made him a junior detective. Love the police chief afterwards too. Kidnapping a child and taking him to some island.@@ZX-Gear
@@oldgreg2914better he goes with the police than stay with his dad who is completely destroyed by drugs and abuses him.
Shit Dros is a permanent Twitter resident
funny thing is that there is a e-celeb in the hispanic internet sphere called dross, he is kind of like dros but instead of a commie he's a lolbert
@@mirror8519a lolbert?
If what's a Twitter user for you, when sure it's the best one, isn't it, *droite?*
I never met those two students. I honestly couldn't care less about the politics in this game during my playthrough. My main goal was to fix Harry. That's still all that matters to me. I just want to see this man contempt and thriving
The most based Disco Elysium fan
This is impossible. Normal people do not play Disco Elysium
Same man went through as a sorry cop avoided drugs and drink, smoked once for a check to save my life and saved as many people as I could
@@2460-1Normal people are too stupid for their own good.
Its content btw
we all have to thank Shota for forcing loli on gunpoint and forcing him to play Disco elysium
Props to shota, even if he choked the victory royale during the fortnite stream :P
@IJustWannaFarm and fumbled that latina tomboy DBZ fan.
@kyon813 Oh dayum.......
@@ZX-Gear We will _never_ let him live that down.
@@kyon813 Hold tf on, when did this happen lmfao. was it on stream 😂
I'm Estonian and I haven't heard or read about the controversies. I just bought the game at a discount when it was on sale and played it.
The writing was fantastic and I enjoyed it a lot. Though I will admit that it took me several tries to get to the end, because I couldn't decide which stats I wanted to keep, so I kept rerolling.
Later on, when I heard that it's a commie game that's pro communism or whatnot I just thought that it was dead wrong and the people saying it have no idea what they're talking about.
Spoilers, but at the end, the last commie soldier is the most loathsome, pathetic, radicalised incel loser, who got so indoctrinated that he decided to live in a swamp for decades, hating and avoiding the world, whilst fantasizing what it would be like to live among the people he desperately wants to hate. This is the most loyal of all the communists, the biggest loser in the world, a walking contradiction, next to which even the useless alcoholic schizo cop looks like Jesus. Ain't no way this game is pro commie, sorry.
"Reeeeeee the game depicts commies as humans capable of being pathetic, miserable and insane - there's no way it's pro commie reeeeeee"
@@VitaliyMilonov Nah the game depicts commies as they are pathetic, miserable and insane
@@VitaliyMilonov He literally praised the game for showing commies as pathetic losers. Only one sperging here is you for him enjoying it.
@@VitaliyMilonov What the fuck is wrong with you? You are an adult man-child crying about the way people view your favorite video game on the internet.
No, it's pro commie because intellectually honest people have the capability to critically examine their own beliefs. A concept foreign to the average rightoid
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Yeah, you're right. There's a few basement dwellers roaming the comments.
Anyway...
They have to go back
Haha.
Rene isn't a representation of fascism, he's a representation of the "old" politics - aristocracy, monarchism, etc. He is a living fossil of a time and ideology that is long gone, which is one of the reasons he's so "chill" despite his regrets. There is simply nothing left in the world for him anymore. Everything he ever believed in was gone and forgotten which brings to him some closure. This is in comparison to the fascists and communists ironically *united* in their struggle against the Liberal Moralists (the game points out both side's collaborationists tendencies, as you noted).
I haven't played the game. Are there any conservative representatives or paths, etc?
But free market is liberal, conservativism is usually protectionist?@Ostrava_Of_Boletaria
He is a perfect foil to Dros in that regard. Rene fought the hardest he could for what he believed in, but even though he _won_ the war, his world still naturally passed away. Because of this, he is at peace with the result and while he doesn't agree with them, he understands why the new generation moved on and doesn't hold a grudge. Meanwhile Dros didn't fight and instead ran away like a coward during his first and only battle, the same kind of behavior he was supposed to prevent in his soldiers. He then spent 40 years stewing in resentment, of himself for his cowardice, and of the world for moving on while he could not.
@@Alfred5555 Yes, the Liberals, Moralists and Fascists are the conservatives.
How are those conservatives exactly?
Liberalism is literally the opposite thing. Fascism is a type of government not a philosophy. And Moralists I suppose sounds conservative, but it depends what their morals are. @@therideneverends1697
when I played the game, I was suicidal and wanted to end myself. It did help a bit because the mc was in a similar situation. In a way it made me feel less alone.
Stay strong, Bud.
I hope you're feeling better nowadays.
@@WhiskeyPatriotI love your compassion. Thanks.
@@tentacledood5784Yes, I do. I appreciate the concern. I changed my job, met new people. Doing changes in my life worked a lot.
Sorry to hear that man. How are you doing? Could I get an update on your mental health situation?