My Approach to Recording Vintage Guitar Combo Amps
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2014
- In this episode, I explain my approach for recording vintage electric guitar amp combos. I explain the concepts on a Late 50's Gibson BR6, 1969 Fender Silverface Champ, and 60's Gretsch 6156. For more info on the online recording school or more in-depth articles, go to: www.creativesoundlab.tv
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I really loved the Gretsch amp!
+Camilo Oyarzún Yeah that's a great amp.
The gretsch had the nicest sound by far to my ears. Great video!
Wow!!! Finally sombedy demonstrate a real approach to all the young generations in understanding how tube amps are working, what you can get with only guitar and amp if you dig in a little deeper in that combo. That is why we love tube amps.
BTW great chanell keep up the good work.
Hey man, as a fellow engineer working towards opening my own studio, I really like your videos. I love the different approaches and ideas to recording. Keep it up, I look forward to seeing more from you.
Chris Thanks Chris! I'm trying to make them as fast as I can.
Yep....I still love listening to this little jam.
Gretsch all the way out of these choices. Warmth and resonance, just enough crunch when put into overdrive. Perfect for the vibe of that guitar part.
Really cool demo! Thanks for this!
Very cool. Very informative. Very useful.
Thank you for all you do!
Very nice Video.
The Gretsch sound amazing! ^^
I have a pretty unusual approach for recording guitar. Since I usually don't have too many nice mics to work with, I typically do this trick where I put 3 or 4 different dynamic mics in front of different speakers on the same cabinet. You gotta watch your phasing, but something neat happens when you blend the tracks together. The limitations in the frequency response of each microphone starts to disappear, as the other microphone compensates for the missing frequencies. The result is that when done correctly, the guitar will sound much more realistic and detailed, very much like you're standing in front of the guitar amp itself listening to it's natural sound. I typically like to use a 57, a Sennheiser e609 and a Shure Beta 52. I will sometimes start off with as many as 8 or 9 different mics, and I just eliminate the ones I don't like until I get down to 3 or 4 that I do.
+Alva Goldbook Yeah, I've done that a lot too. I like to pair a few mics together, but at the same time when I mix I always find myself picking a flavor because I have so many guitars I can't make everything huge. Those a really interesting mics for electric guitar, but worth trying out. Nothing is off limits. Someone just told me that they really liked the attack that a e609 gave them inside the kick. Never would have guessed.
That Gibson looks magical !!!
And sounds amazing too boot !!!!
Yeah so I really want that Gretsch amp.
yeah man
I still come back to this video, just to hear that particular (I assume that's a tele bridge pickup?) guitar player and song part through that Gretsch. I don't know why I haven't been able to get one. You know, that right there is a perfect example of what I was talking about when I told you that you could charge a re-amping fee for some of your vintage amps. You doubted that you could because your amp collection is sort of random and obscure, but when you consider that re-amping is a big thing, not to mention a lot of sims are available for a lot of the amps that one might think of as the standard, ubiquitous vintage models (Bassman, Twin, Superlead, AC15/30, JCM800, Jazz Chorus, then the later 80's and 90's stuff like Boogie and the 5150), yours would be a niche market, but you could definitely fill a need. Hell, I'd love to have you re-amp certain types of punk rock rhythm guitar stuff - for which I would otherwise be using my Peavey Classic 30 or one of my 18 watters - through that Gretsch. With the internet allowing us to communicate and share all kinds of information and resources instantly, you could absolutely do an in-depth "This is a cool tele rhythm guitar part re-amped through my collection of vintage gems" video and find yourself re-amping for customers from all over the globe. Also, if you used this DI track, I would really enjoy watching it.........
Just watched your video again and noticed you mentioned the Gibson model name "br6". Thanks again.
Where can I buy the song used for the intro music? And what type of shaker/percussion was used? It sounds incredible
another great video Ryan.
I just picked up a 60's univox u45b. juicy mojo sound
Hey Ryan- super nerd question: what speaker is in your Gretsch? I'm restoring a similar old Valco amp (the non-tremolo Supro version) but mine has a non original speaker I don't care for in it. Curious about what speaker is in yours, it sounds really good. Thanks!
Man I love this tune
Thanks for this cool video! This made me even happier with my new Silverface Champ.
But mine doesn't give this much overdrive so early. Mine does some compression around 7 (with humbuckers) and overdrives between 9 and full. Do you use a non original speaker??
man, I'm really not sure. I'll check.
Just subscribed. Fantastic info man.
thanks man, really glad to have you here!
What model gretsch amp ? Model of your Gibson amp ?
What model guitar did you record that track from. That track is absolutely beautiful. First amp, sounded great !!! I thought, " man that gretsch is perfect for that track. Then u plugged into the Gibson, wow !!! I couldn't believe it got even better. It seemed like you even sat back for a second just to soak in how great it sounded. Wish I was in that room. Great great job !!!!
I owned a BR 6 poor years... great for full round jazz sounds. Country music is good... you can set it on seven and crank your guitar up to nine and make that little amp rock. Just ignore the constant hum it does not interfere with the output.
Hi do you have a video on a example Fender Champ amp that has a I put 1 and 2 one for the guitar and "1 for a Microphone " to plug in a sing through your amp old school !
What? Are you asking if I have a video of me pluging in a microphone to the (harmonica) mic input?
Gretsch is awesome amp.
Dorf on Amps!😉nice vids!
I really like your videos.
Thanks!
I subscribed ... Great stuff
Great to have you along for the ride!
Please, What is the song between 2:52 - 3:10 ? Really cool sounds by the way !
It's just a quick demo song that my friend and I played instrumentally.
Oh my, the music at 0:48 is something I'd love to hear in full. Is it a thing or is it just a short piece for the splash screen?
That's a song that I wrote just for the intro. What you are hearing is the whole thing. My style of my own music is similar.
Any links? Would love to listen. I loved this one in your video :)
I like the Gibsonin, Norway we had Skau amplifiers that's similar.
+Norwegian tape recorders Tandberg & RN &Proton oh nice!
Creativesoundlab It is so sad that everyone ignores tubes...
My favorite is the Gretsch/valco . They are all great amps, but the kind of tube in the first position of the pre amp stage is my ace in the hole, it sits the pace for the sound. So by putting in a 12ax7 or a 12au7 makes one hell of a difference in texture of the tone. And also the quality of the tube makes a difference. With the fender and the gibson I hear a harsh, bad tone when crank. You need your tubes tested when your amp sounds like that and or your amps capacitors. Tube distortion when the amp is crank all ways sound good to the ears, not bad or harsh or crackly or fade out.
peace&beatels
+jeff dowler Yes, I'm aware of those things. Thanks!
Has this tune been mase into a song ? Ive been listening to it for 2 years now.
Nope that was just a quick couple of guitar riffs
Each amp had a similar sound, but they were nicely distinct in subtle ways. I was shocked that the Gretsch sounded the best out of all of them by far.
+Alva Goldbook That's interesting. Yeah, the Gretsch is a very versatile amp. The silverface is nice too. The Gibson is a really special amp, but will take the right player and guitar match for it to shine.
The richness of the Gretsch was very nice. The Fender sounded a bit boxy, which is fairly common with small amps, but those 60's era Fenders have a lot of nice harmonics going on. The Gibson sound pretty dark to me, and a bit stiff. It would be interesting to mic up each amp and blend the three tracks together.
The "push a little to far" sound on the Gibson was simply the amp feeding back on a very high, inaudible frequency (perhaps a radion frequency) and the feedback was intermodulating the actual signal. This amp simply needs to be repaired to get rid of the HF feedback.
kardRatzinger Very interesting! To me it always sounded like something was way out of bias in the tubes.
I have a vox tube amp and a gretsch guitar. Im trying to get clear guitar tones with SM57.
I´ve tried everything: change the mic position, change the room, change the amp eq, but i still feel that my guitar amp sounds very dark and lifeless, do you think that maybe i have to change my bitrate in my interface and my daw? What bit rate do you use for recording?
I really appreciate your opinion
For videos its 48k, at 24 bit. Both bit rate and sample rate matter, but I think there is something else going on here. You shouldn't have a dark sound. How dark is that guitar? Are there other inputs on the vox you can try? Are you sure the 57 is working properly? Is your cable passing signal correctly? These questions should get you started and I think you'll find some nice clear guitar tone with the gear you have.
Thanks a lot for your advices. i´m gonna check my connections and my mic.
The Gibson at 7 sounds really sweet for that riff.
David Baines Thanks! I thought so too.
Champs with a humbucker guitar? Use input 2 with the bass rolled way back to about 2 and treble about 5, vol anywhere from about 3-8 and they're amazing. With the bass up, even around 5, if the vol is above about 2 or 3 they fart out immediately and sound like trash.
Yes
Yes.
That Gibson would be and early '50s BR6F.
enjoyed the video, but I hafta say, as an owner/lover of old Gibson amps, as well as someone who has sold several in my old days of vintage gear retail, your BR6 probably needs serviced.
+J Howell I've heard that a few times now. This video is from a while back so the amp has pry been in the shop since then. Is it just the sound at high gain that stuck out to you?
creativesoundlab yep. That frizzled sound when you start to turn it up...that's not supposed to happen!
Is it weird that I really like it though?
@@RobFlaxMusic One person’s “Not suppose to sound like that…?” could post service be another man’s “Where’s all my warm tone gone…?”
"REALLY COOL AMP"
4:12 I have an amp with an accordion input...
That's old. I've seen those. Remember: A gentleman is a man who can play the accordion, but doesn't.
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+Marco Trosi Thanks Marco, glad you are here!
+Marco Trosi … So am I
There is more
There always is.
Your silverface may have some problems. Get a good tech to take a look. It shouldn't distort at that low a volume.
+Galfonz Yeah, But did you consider that I'm running out of an reamp box?
Good point. Try it with a real guitar and get it checked if it still distorts at very low volume. Assuming you aren't overdriving it.
8:02 wow you have legs? you`re not a floating blob :)
Wth
Hey the counting crows called... they want their hair back.
That gretch looks like she's had better days...
James Horan Yeah for sure. But it hasn't broke down yet!
Still best sounding amp of them all...
gibson at 7
That Gibson BR6 is not healthy.With proper tune up it'll blow your socks of with it's tone.
Yeah, thanks for the good ear. This was a couple years ago but I'll mention it to the owner.
Using a pre-recorded track essentially works as a solid state pre-amp and doesn't give us a good idea of the organic nature of the relationship between the guitar and the amp.
Yes, I get that. This video only shows one variable.
Those little amps sound so thin..and have no power..in my opinion you need at least 40 watts RMS and at least 2 10inch speakers...
Hey nigel tufnel, I think you missed the point of the video. If you need AT LEAST two ten inch spkrs being driven with 40 watts to get a guitar sound with "power" thats not "thin" in the studio. Then I suspect perhaps your studio engineer/producer is either: also your towns music store owner or perhaps in need of a refresher read about correctly using a high pass filter (or bass roll off). Have a read about what Page used on the first couple of Zeppelin albums (It wasnt a coronado with a green back or any other g12 subbed in, it was a super with an 8", trust me) You dont even need that amount live with abundant p.a's with decent foldback most every where. I just sold a coronado as it was too much on stage if I wanted compression.