"The Conservatives are lying about us" Doctors take aim at the Government
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- Junior doctors in the BMA began a picket outside Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital in central London on Thursday morning in protest against their pay and conditions.
We went down there to find out why their demands still haven't been met.
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Done deliberately so NHS can be privatised
100%. Shameful
Exactly 💯 that's their plan
Read the Institute of Economic Affairs report on "How to Abolish the NHS" (Their title, NOT mine!)
People linked with this group have been funding both the Tories AND Labour ... !!
Are you seeing some similarities between that plan, and what both the Tories AND Wes Streeting are now arguing for?
This is truly a disgrace ... How much more of this are we supposed to just sit by and watch?
Because the private sector pay even less than the NHS but charge the public more.
It’s already privatised have you been asleep since the plandemic 😂
Is funny that evertime the Conservative took power, the NHS waiting list increases. Whereas Labour lowered the waiting list. Another proof that the Conservative serve the rich, more than Labour.
Finally the truth is out about the tories liars liars liars
"Finally"? Nope they have been lying and proven to be lying for years.
Finally? :P
Yet these vile people will be labour voters
Finally? I remember my father telling me what a c#@nt Churchill was. That was 60yrs ago!
@@malcolmmitchell6529 well your dad was a plum then because Churchill was only put in for the war. So he needed to be like that for the country
100 % support the junior doctors
Junior doctors are overpaid.
under payed get it right
@@dianeglanville NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe. British taxpayers are getting poor value for money.
@@taffyterrier There's less doctors per person in the UK than any other comparable economy, so the doctors we do have have to a do a LOT more work. A bit more money for a LOT more work sounds like good value for money to me.
@@laurencedavey3121 I understand other comparable economies don’t have over 7 million people on their waiting lists. If British doctors do a LOT more work as you seem to think their waiting lists would not be so long. Blair slashed junior doctors contracted hours from 100+ to just 48. A lot of people complain that their GPs now only work 3 days a week and they struggle to get an appointment although the waiting rooms at the GP surgeries are empty. It is well documented that NHS consultants have the energy to undertake plenty of private work so they can’t be spending too much time treating NHS patients.
Pay these people what they deserve. If we can just bin £1.4b worth of PPE from one contract, I’m sure if they looked hard enough they’d find the money.
Junior doctors are overpaid.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Before Blair slashed their working week in return for a huge inflation busting pay rise junior doctors had to work over 100 hours per week.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Wherever there is a video about doctors Taffy is there. He is rich in Internet research and an unassailable comments section opponent, because he doesn't know enough to realise he doesn't know what he is talking about. Move on PP, life is too short.
@@btd836 I know exactly what I am talking about.
The BMA’s 35% pay claim is based on the outdated RPI measure of inflation - when the correct CPI is applied the alleged “real terms pay cut” (which the gullible British public have swallowed hook, line and sinker) is only 16%.
Rishi's FIL's pockets
get same pay working for aldi. disgusting what the westminster gov has come to
Don’t be fooled by BMA propaganda.
@@taffyterrier 🤣🤣🤣
@@taffyterrier The medical school reject speaks again. I am sure you must be a physician associate.
Imagine believing that 😂😂😂
@@NapoleonicWargaming The sheeple believe overpaid NHS doctors are swindled saints.
I can't believe people say they're greedy. These are the most important people in our country!! Very scary times if these people leave to go abroad!!!!!
No other country is daft enough to employ them.
Cause the problem
Blame the other side
Filter money to the nobility
Return the citizens to serfdom.
That is the Tory way.
I find it hard to believe tories would lie, I mean they have a reputation for such honestly and integrity
Readers, the comment above is clearly sarcastic, in case you couldn't tell. You are welcome in advance
readers, the above comment is making note of the comment aforementioned aforementioned is blantely sarcastic, in case your eyes were burnt out from a thermonuclar explosion
All power to them! ✊✊✊
Got a point there... If you train for 7 years you expect to live 🤷🏻♂️
A medical degree should take no longer than 5 years to complete.
@@taffyterrier Is that supposed to be a rebuke?
@@cleebe823 The new breed of less capable students need longer to do a degree which previous generations managed in 5 years.
@@taffyterrier Training doesn't stop after a medical degree. Goes on for another 5 years at least, often more.
@@taffyterriercan you stop spamming your hatred against doctors in every comment section?
The Tory objective has always been for a privatised NHS. In order to get there they have to degrade the service to such an extent that the public view it as not fit for purpose. They could have resolved this before the GE but clearly they still hope that they will still get a chance to take it down.
The 35% pay claim is pure economic illiteracy.
@@taffyterrier entirely on your part it seems as everyone in this clip stated 25 %.
@@taffyterrier Please enlighten me.
@@lonevoice The RPI measure of inflation used to reach the 35% figure was ditched over a decade ago in favour of the CPI and is no longer recognised by the ONS. When the correct measure of inflation is used the alleged “real terms pay cut” is 16%.
No doctors , more people die , exactly what the WEF want . win, win for the government, all planned .They bank on you blaming the doctors
Tories know they are going to lose.. so what do you do when you know you are going to lose? Flip the table, destroy everything so you can then complain the place is a mess when someone else takes over.
The Tories should be investigated!!
@@matthewread1913too right, criminals .
@@matthewread1913 Investigation is far from enough. Much more extreme measures are needed. That extends to anyone who has ever voted for them too.
So what you're saying is that they knew they going to lose as soon as they came into power 14 years ago?
yes they should be investigated when Angela rayner gets in she should investigated sunak and is family and the tories
We must pay our doctors better! They literally save this country’s people every single day! It’s ridiculous to expect them to study, go into debt for a wage less than some cleaning staff… I’m not demeaning cleaning staff, I’m saying a doctor is worth WAY MORE!
Are you an idiot. Why pay Drs more when you can use that money for more important commonwealth expenditures, like awarding major contracts to Tori mates?
There are job postings right now in Nova Scotia starting at $200,000 and ending about $400,000 for doctors. Why would they stay there for that money?
NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe. Anyone of average intelligence can get into medical school in dumbed down Britain.
@@taffyterrierwere you rejected from medical school?
Corbyn my hero ❤️❤️
He gave fair warning ‼️
Vote Labour❤
Yeah well, people chose a proven liar, narcissist and bullsh**ter instead and we are still experiencing the consecuences.
Except Corbyn was kicked out of Labour by Starmer 😠 He's running as an Independent 🙌
I'm curious
He sayes that doctors are leaving the country to get better pay and conditions elsewhere
Is he the same guys who thinks
The rich won't leave the country to pay less tax
How can you advocate voting Labour when they kicked Corbyn out???
@@thinfourththey might be able to leave but their taxable assets can't and given many of the rich in this country own multiple homes that's just tax revenue for the taking.
I found that shocking what doctors have to put up with. 😮
Doctors have never had it so easy.
@@taffyterrier Get a life, and stop commenting antagonistic sentiment on here. Are you bitter you didn't get into medical school or something?
@@taffyterrierQ1: are you a doctor? Q2: why are they on strike then?
@@dynamite8100 They are on strike because they are entitled. Previous generations had to work more than double the number of hours for a relative pittance with no unsociable hours premiums, no night shift allowance and no weekend enhancements.
My granddaughter is training to be a doctor. She will be saddled with huge debt for caring for her fellow human beings. Think miners, shipbuilders, steel workers, youth workers, teachers, the armed forces, shipping industry, etc., millions of decent working people treated as disposable items. British people need to fight back.
No one forced her to train to be a doctor.
Any “debt” (actually a loan) will be dwarfed by her inflated NHS salary.
@@taffyterrierwhat do you do for a living? You're obviously overpaid because if you think doctors are overpaid for saving lives, then whatever you do is definitely worth less than that. Unless you're making under £15 an hour in a field that requires 5 years of schooling, then sit down
@@SirSpamaIotit's a troll, looking to bait reaction, I would just ignore them
@@SirSpamaIot Doctors are overpaid for taking lives.
@@taffyterrier i read a report that claims she was in fact, forced
Fuck we’re not paying doctors 15£/hr? Wow😮
A fully qualifee doctor will probably be on minimum £18h/r. I think the issue here is the piss poor pay nurses and junior doctors get compiled with the scandalous cost of living crisis thats seemily just being allowed to happen.
Please note that these doctors are not asking for a raise but to be paid what they should have been getting for the last 14 years. Doctors have lost one third of their salaries over that period. How would you feel if you were told to do the same job but you also have to pay for your professional medical exams, pay off your student debts, put a roof above your head and could easily lose your job if you screw up but do it on a reduced salary whilst the general cost of living increases?
A junior doctor is a fully qualified doctor. All doctors are junior doctors until they are consultants.
just like civil servants as well. Across the board. Especially the junior ones. Even north Korea invests in its state employees better than we do whilst funneling 90% of the money it makes back to the regime. We need to totally overhaul our tax system to give the people who keep the country humming what they deserve.
Its a joke, and considering they are also working weekends and nights. When I worked as a junior doctor in 2011 I was getting paid £13 an hour to work on Christmas day
Tax the rich. 90p in the pound. All the money has gone to rich and hedge funds. Take it back now. If they go, take thier passports and wave goodbye.
Even pennies on the pound of wealth over 10 million would create more than enough wealth to fix the problems we have.
What? Tax the overpaid? Note last night's debate, the Crime Miniature kept shouting 'They want to raise taxes and everyone will lose £2,000.00' Taxes should be raised for the overpaid 'elite.' They sit on millions of pounds in shares and investments, getting wealthier by the day and workers can't afford to save a penny. Tories plan on reducing social security payments. If they had kept the industry and manufacturing here in the UK, more people would be working, paying taxes and NHI, meaning there'd be less crime and more money towards the NHS, . Plus, there'd be no need for austerity, caused by the large corporations, who pay low wages to workers and large salaries to anyone above that level. It's time for a change of direction and for the greedy bosses to pay much fairer wages. If wages aren't sorted, the whole country should join the junior doctors and strike. Sir Kier Starmer, be adventurous and raise taxes, don't be afraid to do it, show some mettle and do what's right on your first day as Premier. If boris lowered taxes for the rich, you can raise them too.
I'm all for everybody paying their fair share but when we did tax the rich at 90% they did leave and took whatever tax they were already paying with them. Isn't getting 100% of something better than getting 100% of nothing? What you are proposing has been tried before and it failed.
@@stephenhodgson3506 where are they moving to mate?
Seeing as all they tend to do is strip assets and horde property/ wealth, I'd say good riddance.
The average rich people don't produce or provide to society, they profit off of it. That's literally why their net worth doubles, while ours drops. It's called a transfer of wealth.
Super simple, basic maths. Where has the money gone? Really doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
@@stephenhodgson3506 Where did rich go to? Perhaps raise the top rate by another 10% that would be about right.
Good grief I had no idea they were only paid £15 an hour that is absolutely disgusting. I work in the poorest paid supermarket and earn £11.50 an hour. If I worked at Aldi I'd earn about £12.40- £13.35 per hour. I have no degree. How is it I can earn only a few pounds less an hour than the person saving our lives with £100,000 of student debt. When the conservatives claim they have trained so many drs I always scoff because the drs have paid for their training and likely will be for the next 40 years. £15 an hour and equipment worse than we have at a supermarket is an absolute disgrace. I ended up in A&E in a severe asthma attack last summer and they saved my life and I'll always be grateful but the fact is the Dr I saw straight away when I came in desperately needing a nebuliser only saw me long enough to very quickly examine me and say yes nebuliser. I sat there all night just repeating nebulisers and oxygen when it kicked off again feeling shocking. I'd had a chest x-ray within an hour of getting there but it took until the next morning for a Dr to get the time to look at it and realise I had pneumonia along with my asthma and I then had to struggle across the hospital to the pharmacy to get my antibiotics. I'm not blaming them, the upside of being in for something serious and them being unable to get my oxygen levels up is that they sit you propped up in a bed opposite the nurses/drs station on a monitor (I was in my hospital anyway), and I watched most of the night and they literally never stopped, neither the drs or the nurses. If I'd been less ill I'd have told off the woman in the bed next to me who was really rude to the nurses but I was attached to wall by my oxygen mask. I couldn't do what they do and they deserve a lot more than £15 an hour. That's an insult to the people that saved my life twice in a matter of days as I ended up back there in an even harder to control asthma attack after my GP ignored me telling her I was getting much worse, refused to see me face to face and told me I was just being anxious (the only thing I was anxious for was not to spend another night in a&e. The NHS staff deserve better. The same people that stood on no. 10 doorstep and clapped for them as they risked their lives won't even negotiate with them 😢
Only first year medical graduate trainees are paid a basic hourly rate of £15.
Doctors only pay 20% of their tuition and training; taxpayers are stung for the other 80%.
Consider yourself gaslit.
@@taffyterrier ok it was just £15 an hour was repeatedly mentioned so I'm surprised it wasn't corrected if that's wrong. They still have a tonne of debt to be on a low wage.
What are politicians paid😢 for doing f all@@taffyterrier
Cleaners get paid the same amount@@smithy4121
@@taffyterrierthe 20% point is a lie. Doctors graduate with near 100k debt. Most money for.our training goes right into hospital budgets- Drs see not a penny of the results. Training is awful
Save the NHS & its doctors, VOTE LABOUR
Only a week left with this joke of a government then we'll hopefully start making some actual changes.
Some things will improve I am sure and the new govt will do some good things but there will not be the transformational change that we really need, not going to happen. The Labour party has been vetted and thoroughly checked to ensure that it will not confront vested interests and the wealthy and the system that maintains it.
@@stephenthomas3085 Maybe not in the next year, maybe not in the next term of government; but as the tories have shown, if you can stay in power for long enough drastic and transformational changes can be made. Allow me to remind you that we started out with Cameron, yeah he was a cunt and yes he introduced austerity, but from 2010 to 2024 the slide the right has been very real as we've all felt, who knows if Starmer will even be leading Labour in 5 years. Hope isn't dead... yet.
Given Wes Streeting, the soon to be Health Secretary, supports privatisation more than most Tories, there won't be any good changes
Austerity 3.0 is not going to fix a damn thing.
@@cleebe823 Austerity is for good now, both party's leaderships are committed to small states, low taxes and decreased interventionism (or pro Thatcherite laissez faire economics and so called trickle down).
In the last 14 years we’ve had cut back after cut back, but can somebody give a reason why the National debt has risen to 2.8 trillion and we have the highest taxes since the Second World War I think the conservatives I’ve been cooking the books or given The super rich big tax cuts
Just like education they'll put pressure on the staff to accept lower wages so that when they privatise it they'll have bigger margins to increase their profits and increase their rentier's dividends.
Tories have stayed around for ages lying lying lying, time to say goodbye...
Where's all that money that was going to be freed up by leaving the EU?
Used on inflated pay rises for doctors.
Which doctors?
@@michaelweeks5858 NHS consultants.
@@taffyterrierget a life mate
@@taffyterriertrollololol
It's pure ideology on the part of the Tories-they would willingly spend multiples of what a pay review would cost to say they didn't compromise to appease their base.
In the long term a pay review would cost more.
@@taffyterrier are you making stuff up on every comment?
We're you profiting off of dodgy PPE contracts or something?
@@cleebe823 It is economically illiterate not to recognise the long term, year on year effect of an unaffordable and unjustified 35% pay rise for one pampered group of employees.
@@taffyterrier want to see the year on year effect of pretty much no pay rises while billionaires and the like have their net worth nearly double?
Take a look around.
What makes this even sicker is politicians are and I use this word sparingly earning a fortune yet our doctors and NHS are saving lifes and they are denied what they deserve .. .. it's a sick country
An MPs salary starts at £84,000.00 or £1600.00 per week, with housing allowance, which covers their mortgage, they get meals and drinks at less than cafe prices and mostly work part time, have lots of holidays and begrudge paying a measly £200.00 per week to someone on benefits, who incidentally, is probably in that situation because the gang in parliament, allowed companies to close here and move abroad to make bigger profits.
Highly paid NHS doctors are taking the lives of over 12,000 NHS hospital patients per annum.
Each of those speakers is a Legend. ✊
A legendary bullsh*tter.
Conservatives lying!!😂😂😂
Junior doctors would have us believe they care about patients they care more about lining their pockets, they dont seem to care about how many operations & appointments patients have had cancelled. I suspect that the unions are behind this to drag the government down. People seem to forget the cost of the increasing population the pandemic & the war in Ukraine, and no matter how much money the government ploughs into anything these days we still get the Same reply it's not enough perhaps if organisations managed their funds better & paid the top people less ( who seem to do very little) there would be more to go around.
The future, as seen by the main parties, is fewer doctors and more Physican Associates
Physician Associates are better value.
Rishi snake is a joke
All the money has been given to Ukraine to fight a war they can't win 😂
Let's face it guys, the Tories and Reform are the same thing, we need to go around them. Let's start a Go-Fund Me page for the NHS, so we can show them how much we socialists want to support them.
✊💙
(NHS blue heart, not a Tory one. Obvs.)
Is the Eugenics Society still legal in London, after its satellites were made illegal in the Commonwealth mid last century?
His costings are based on standard hours etc but I imagine a £5 pay rise will cost in actuality a hell of a lot more than that.
It’s only £5 an hour extra for first year medical graduate trainees.
Junior doctors on £30 an hour would receive substantially more than £5 per hour.
Not forgetting the 35% across the board increase in overtime, night shift allowance, weekend enhancements and call out charges.
The NHS - overworked and underpaid - still runs on the goodwill of people. The starting salary for NHS administration is 1p higher than the minimal wage😞 Thank you, Jeremy Hunt and Tory - for the austerity. Do they have the intention to sell the NHS ?? so much NHS ( 50%) money is for years going for private providers!!
what they need is the government to re prioritize their goals.
Ukraine seems to be the most important priority for the UK at the moment, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with UK in truth.
Maybe UK needs to focus on its own affairs, and stay out of others.
that goes for the rest of NATO and EU
This sorta reporting should be on front pages. I formed reasoning from level headed individuals. The NHS pay dispute is something of a cornerstone for the government. Once they accept doctors deserve more all industries will follow suit, and rightly so. It's criminal just how.underpaid and underserved hard working individuals are in this country. It seems the only people who are immune are these so called politicians and investment bankers...
Also midwives who work overtime are punished through taxes
MPs who do sweet fa and have more holidays have the nerve to increase their already fattened salaries but ignore public sector workers.
Are MPs not the epitome of the public sector?
I know, I know - we can dream.
Damn hit me with the Corbyn jumpscare.
im confused. does the UK Gov't pay their DOCTORs, with MDs, £20/hr?!?! the fuq.
A UK doctor recently graduated from medical school is not even paid £20/h. They’re currently on £15/h and the BMA are asking for a £5/h increase that’s all - and the government says they can’t afford it 💀.
Honestly if you were put in a situation making decisions on potential life and death, the stress, pressure, sleep deprivation, and medicolegal issues that you have to consider - not to mention that you are barely affording to pay for rent, student loan, and groceries. Honestly, the average person won’t be able to hack that let alone a junior doctor being paid pennies and treated like absolute dogwater by the public, and being blamed by the government for long waiting times etc. why would being paid £20/h be an unreasonable thing to say???
NB: in the UK we typically have MB BS as a primary medical qualification.
@@hdlol0103 CORRECTION: a first year medical graduate trainee apprentice not yet fit to practice on patients independently receives a basic hourly rate of £15/hr and generous night shift allowances, weekend enhancements and call out charges on top of that.
Look at how far the tories have taken the country
They could pay them more if there weren't so much waste and mismanagement in the NHS not to mention the tories have been playing musical chairs for who gets to be minister for health so nothing gets actually done.
It is more to do with the effects of austerity, massive reforms that bias in favour of the private sector and a govt that is ideologically opposed to healthcare free at the point of use paid for by taxes. You need management and not all of it is bad in the NHS, it is essential to run such a vast organisation. There is little waste these days, it has all been cut to the bone, the NHS critical service rely on staggering amounts of unpaid overtime. The links that used to exist between a service like the NHS and the departmental minister have been broken, deliberately. There is no longer the chain of responsibility. You can see this every day, where IS the health minister...?! Why is this person not being grilled by every news programme..? Easy, ministers just disappear and avoid accountability.
The problem is no one is brave enough to make the changes. Imagine the unions response.🙄
They are paid more than enough already.
@@taffyterrierAnd you have more Oxygen than you deserve. I wonder what would happen if I starved your fart-for-brain of Oxygen 🤔🤔🤔
My Grandmother was in hospital overnight recently for a heart issue. She was on a gurney in a corner of a hallway with several others. She was wired up and couldn't get out of the bed on her own due to the metal sides and having arthritis in her hands so not being able to push them down. In the night she needed to pee. She didn't have a button because she wasn't in a proper bed. She tried to call out for help but no one came. She soiled herself and cried all night without help. She was then deemed mentally and physical unfit and put on a list saying that her medical opinion should be reviewed and doctors had authority to override due to mental incompetence because she was found soiled in the morning. She isn't suffering from any mental decline that either our family or her GP have substantially notice. Later her GP actually got so mad about this that he wrote a letter to the hospital to complain about the treatment towards her and to remove her from that list. But you know what my gran said after all this indignity. "They were doing their best, they just didn't have the time to help."
That was heartbreaking to read my god, I am so sorry that your gran was treated like this. I hope she is doing okay now with her heart.
And yet MP's salaries seem to rise faster than inflation.
Capitalism at work, no tears for humanity 😔😭
Only 10 hours wait at A&E?... Come to Lewisham, mate. Situation is terrible. The doctors and nurses who are still hanging on are heroes.
Pay the Doctors, pay the Teachers, pay the Police, pay the Binmen.
Civil Servants are the most important jobs and integral to the country. We need them, we don't need another minister for some made up modern issue. We don't need Night Czar's that do nothing for London and collect a fat pay package.
The system is not broken, it is working exactly how the government (both sides inc reform) wants it too.
Reform
I can appreciate that the pay and conditions is of great concern to junior doctors who are hospital based. But information must have come to their attention that support does not extend to those junior doctors who work in primary care. It cannot have escaped the notice of those doctors who work in General Practice that they are working under extreme patient dissisifaction.
No doctor strikes in Scotland because our government sat round the table. Roll on Scottish independence 🏴
You can’t negotiate with pork.
"NHS this NHS that"...what about the grim reaper? no one ever ask about how he feels about all this...his queuing list has increased and hes probably finding it hard as well seeing to everyone
The public are behind you.
… because they are economically illiterate.
666th like. The number of the Tories.
Disgusting mess……shameful …..
Salting the ground for Labour 🤔
This was always part of the plan.
If privatisation kills the NHS too slowly, then actively driving doctors out will be the backup.
The doctors are going nowhere.
We need doctors not politicians.
Don’t keep Voting for them then.They ain’t gonna save your Life Innit
yeah to poison us with pharma poisons i agree...
Unfortunately one of the reasons why the NHS costs so much is because it is run by managers who are like politicians, of which there are way too many of them; instead NHS managers should be those who have experience of working as Doctors for at least 30 years.
UK doctors, please move to Australia. Doctors are paid three times more, better technology, beach, sunshine, workers rights etc.
- Junior Doctors: AUD $70,000 - $95,000 annually.
- General Practitioners (GPs): AUD $150,000 - $300,000 annually.
- Specialist Doctors: AUD $200,000 - $500,000 annually; some specialists earn over AUD $1 million.
- Consultants: AUD $250,000 - $310,000 annually; up to AUD $600,000+ in private practice.
- Location-Based Variations: Higher salaries in rural/remote areas due to incentives.
Australia can pick and choose and will select highly educated, properly trained, competent doctors which excludes the vast majority of British medics.
@@taffyterriernope. Not even close. You merely need to have cleared FY1.
you have to remember that gbp is basically 2-1 for aud. So (may be inaccurate due to getting facts from the internet)
uk pay scale converted to AUD
Junior doctors: 61k - 119k
GP : 130k - 196k
Specialist: 98k-150k
Consultant: 176k- 238k
These obviously fluctuate as conversion rate moves but there's not much difference in pay rate for junior doctors the change really happens later on in their careers (obviously this excludes any private practice work this is just the nhs pay)
@@taffyterrierBritish medics are highly sought after internationally
SHAME ON TORIES !!!!!
SHAME ON DOCTORS !!!!!
"Thats a boeing jet of patients going down" oh no not another one
Last thing i want is my doctor distracted by financial problems.
NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe.
@@taffyterrier and so is the cost of living
Jeez, I pay my labourer £15 an hour to fetch and carry stuff all day.. he's got no qualifications, and he's hungover most of the time 😅
Even £20 an hour is WAY too low for a doctor, in my opinion..
It is context, they are not paid per hour. The are just saying, I am on call for 60 or 70 hours and I get paid x per hour. They are not working 100% of the time. So this argument is delusional
@@larrygerry985It’s not delusional when you’re working those hours. It’s not unreasonable to expect the people that have to make decisions that can have huge consequences on a person’s life a decent salary. They’re not asking for a raise, they’re asking for the salary that they haven’t received for the last 14 years.
@@larrygerry985what joker are you?
Junior doctors work hours. On AE it is constant run from side to the others.
Every other similarly qualified person wouldn't get out of bed for that amount of pay.
Physical work is undervalued and some people will struggle later in life because of the work they have done, throughout their career, whatever profession, it is still offering a service.
@@picaso023 People can learn how to plaster a wall, put up wallpaper, plan basic projects but it’s completely different when you’re dealing with the human body. Sure, you could say it’s all plumbing, pipes and joints but there’s a reason why in medicine and surgery you have so many different specialties such as A&E, Acute Medicine, Respiratory and Thoracic surgery, Renal and Urology, Gastrointestinal and General Surgery, Rheumatology and Orthopaedics, Cardiology and Cardiac Surgery and so on. General practice gives GPs a knowledge base in lots of different areas but they won’t know, nor are they expected to know, all the intricacies of a speciality which why it is so broad and that’s why they refer onto a hospital specialist. There’s a reason why all doctors go to medical school for 4-6 years and then have to complete a common foundation programme for two years and then they can apply to train and work in a specific specialist discipline. Medicine is complex and Professor Google or a TH-cam influencer cannot do the same job as a fully qualified professional doctor. These people aren’t asking for a raise in salary, they’re asking to be paid what they should have been for the last 14 years. Ultimately they’ve lost one third of their salary. We needed the health service and healthcare professionals during the pandemic, A&E, Acute Medicine, Infectious Diseases, Respiratory and Intensive Care were hit pretty hard but doctors did not step away. I’d rather have a properly educated and paid healthcare medical professional look after me than someone who’s only had two years of “medical school” and limited medical experience look after me, which is what you’re getting with the current Physician Associate’s programme or an upskilled Paramedic or Nurse Practitioner. Yes, they may be good at what they do but when they’re unsure who do think they go and speak to? Yes, a doctor.
Tories lying?
Well I never!
Said no one ever.
My gf is a junior doctor in the states and earns 75k usd a year in NYC.
Junior doctors in the states earn their money and have to pay the full cost of their tuition and training.
@@taffyterrier well she didn’t go to medical school in the USA, so there is that.
@@TBrl8 She accepted the subsidised tuition and training in Britain without providing any service to the people who paid for it?
$75K a year is hardly more than a typical junior doctor would earn here - and for this, you say, she must have to put up with New York City ?
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What did the old chinese leader say ive heard of your political system,you let everyone vote every 4 or 5 years yet nothing changes
Confucius never had to deal with the Tories who make sure things change for the worse.
Well we have a one party government that the Conservative have 14 years of power and did nothing.
Boeing catching strays
vote tories you will get more of this they had to long in government
Yesterday at my workplace AE only 2 doctor turned up. Doing more politics than job !! Stop medical school to take children from private schoolsvget bright children from society to become doctors. Than see hoe they resilient and turn up for their jobs
You don’t have to be bright to be a doctor in dumbed down Britain.
This is a disgrace -- The public won't stand for this, from the Tories OR Labour, how can you say "there's not enough money enough to invest", when they don't even have enough CHAIRS to sit on, and all this at the same time Oxford University comes out with a study showing that each pound we invest in our NHS gets another £4 in value back?
What's apparent is that we've been lied to by both Tories AND Labour. When Labour wins power, I want to see what they are going to do to solve this crisis.
The doctors that are on this picket will be the bellwether -- Any more of this "austerity" and this country will collapse under its own weight.
Labour have a sliver of leeway when they get in, and because they are a new government, but if they continue Tory policies to privatize our NHS and create more of this carnage, then people are going to go on the streets at this point. "Privatization" means "poorer people get worse lifesaving care", you look at the people that have died now with the NHS MAPs professions, that are being ENFORCED by the ARRS system(!)
How the hell can you have UNEMPLOYED doctors BEGGING for work at Tesco's, whil at the same time we have a doctor SHORTAGE in this country, WHILE we have someone who's done a 2 year plant sciences course getting paid MORE THAN A FULLY QUALIFIED DOCTOR, who is now getting paid less than a barrista, because the ARRS system will only allow NHS surgeries and hospitals to pay these INTENTIONALLY DUMBED DOWN doctors MORE MONEY, instead of even allowing a fully qualified doctor.
The PAs/AAs qualification was a curse upon the UK that was envisioned by the Institute of Economic Affairs -- You READ their damn report online "How to Abolish the NHS"!!
The SOLE reason for the ARRS system was to ENFORCE shareholder profits from our sickness and disease!
If MAPs and this ARRS conditioned funding is not abolished IMMEDIATELY by Labour, and at a BARE minimum, these doctors are NOT enforced into poverty wages and given a level of pay that they are able to survive on, then know that Labour are now planning to DESTROY our NHS, there is now NO other explanation.
We will wait and see now, after their first few days. If these problems continue, then people will protest in the street by the end, not just these doctors, MARK MY WORDS.
You cannot have "poor people" dying because they can't afford medical care! We will NOT allow it!
The new breed of poorly educated, badly trained British doctors are incompetent and self entitled.
Should be " on the streets" now. Why wait. Do you think the armed police would use their automatic weapons? Why on earth do they have them. To shoot US.
Labour MUST NOT WIN.the 2 party system is redundant.
More than a coffee maker? Best chuckle in ages.
It has been going on for decades.
they are not only leaving the nhs but also the country
No other country is dumb enough to employ them.
A wild Jeremy Corbyn appeared!
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I hope labour give then a decent pay rise and a realistic road to restore their pay over the next parliament. Thank god the tories will lose next week as I question their motives around the rise of physician associates
They have already received a decent pay rise.
Their pay does not need to be restored as it was never cut in the first place.
Is the strike political? Aren’t they all and if it is, so what!
Always one guy constantly vaping in the crowd though
What the actual fuck has that got to do with anything!
Boeing execs 👁️👁️
Thought that was max fosh for a sec
Correction: The conservatives are lying about [insert any and all Conservative quotes]
They want the doctors to leave so they can replace them with Physicians.
Do you mean physician associates? Physicians are doctors which makes the term physician associates so misleading
They want them to leave so they can bring in their mates to help privatise it.
You mean associate Doctors...? There was a documentary last year about a private company that had bought up a large number of GP practices and a prime criticism was that they were relying an awful lot on such people who were not adequately supervised compromising patient safety. This is a perfect example, of course, how private companies can only make a profit on such services by lowering standards.
A Physician is a medical doctor (who had studied at medical school for 4-6 years), graduated to then work and study for two years on the national Foundation Programme and then study and work in a medical specialty for at least another 6-8 years to hold the title of Physician. A Physician’s Associate or Assistant (PA) is someone who generally has done a different degree in science and then applied to do a 2 year programme in medical practice. They are not the same by any stretch. If a PA can’t figure out the problem then they have to speak with a fully qualified medical doctor which could be a Physician, Surgeon or a GP and it could also be a junior doctor.
The doctors have nowhere else to go.
hope doctors don't vote for surat
Unlike taffy.
Correct - Taffy tells it like it is.
Sorry, but if we pay doctors more then the higher-ups and shareholders, in the insurance companies running the NHS, will see pay cuts and they might not be able to afford their boats and private planes.
We have to keep taking the wages from workers so a few people can have everything. That is the most important thing.
NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe.
@@taffyterrierTaffy, what is this agenda you have? Nowhere near the best paid, among the worst treated, doing amazingly in a collapsing health system ridden with underfunding
@taffyterrier wow, missing the point. Maybe the NHS is so bad because that's what almost always happens when you privatise public services. Privatisation is just another word for funnelling taxpayers' money to the wealthy. They use words like 'efficiency' instead of job cuts, worse working conditions, under investment, and lower wages. Unfortunately, there are too many numpties who haven't put that together yet and keep voting for crazy, economy destroying, neo-liberals.
For the record, our doctors are not the highest paid in Europe, but they are some of the most overworked. The ratio of doctors to patients is frightening. But don't worry, some of the bosses of the companies running the NHS have managed to retire with $1billion+ retirement funds, money well spent. So, while I am riddled with debt to pay for an operation for my 6 year old so she can hear properly. The owners of the private hospital get to take advantage of my desperation to give my kid a better start in life and the NHS bosses(the same people usually) cut their cost by delaying treating on my kid since she was 18months old forcing me to go private. Win win win for the greedy.
Take back the NHS and run it properly.
@@barliechoy There are 44 countries in Europe of which less than 10 pay consultants six figure salaries. Before Sunak caved in to the strikers earlier this year NHS consultants were paid an average £126k a year increasing to £150k a year with unsociable hours premiums and call out charges etc.
I'm sorry but, what? Doctors are being paid £15 per hour? That's so low, I almost don't believe it. What's the context behind this number?
Junior doctor's pay has essentially been frozen for most of the Conservative government. That's phrasing the effect of inflation on over a decade of frozen pay; it's the equivalent of that kind of cut.
There are plenty of medical staff (especially health care assistants who still require degrees) who ARE paid that low though. There's something fundamentally wrong when a degree qualified surgical scrub nurse could go work at asda instead and make more money.
Only first year medical graduate trainees are paid a basic rate of £15 per hour with extra premiums for night shifts, weekends and unsociable hours.
In the second year and every year thereafter the basic hourly rate increases exponentially.
To be honest if a lawyer cam charge 200 an hrs shouldn't Dr's get at the least 50 and hr. 20 a hr should really be a nurse's wage
Doctors are overpaid.
Lawyers are underpaid.
@taffyterrier they are both underpaid. Basically if you had to carry on going to work during covid when everyone was at home then you are underpaid.
@@richardsmith3917 A lot of doctors enjoyed an 18 month holiday on full pay during lockdown.
Ho dear
British doctors are welcome in other countries!
Other countries can pick and choose and will select highly educated, properly trained, competent doctors which excludes the vast majority of British medics.
@@taffyterrierwrong
Most are private schoolyouth eoth rich families any amount of money will ever be enough for these bunch and they will never work hard.
Medical school intake needs reform fist
The entry requirements for UK medical schools were relaxed decades ago.
My father was a window cleaner, never owned a car let alone a house. He earned >£15 per hour >30 years ago. A window cleaner from the 90's shouldn't be earning less than a window cleaner from the mid 90's!
@@BioLegion A junior doctor from 2024 is not earning less than a junior doctor from 2008.
@@taffyterrierDon't know who are replying to but it's not me?
@@taffyterrier yes than you go interview you get place if you come from posh paid private schools.
Of course the Tories walked away. They are Tories.
But I do not care what Corbyn says.
we do give a shit what the Tories say
I feel like how Starmer chooses to deal with this in their first week is really going to set the tone for the next four years.
Go independent with your botes
There is a simple solution to this situation for doctors: Come to Australia.
The healthcare situation in the UK is going to require a combination of hard policy decisions, and competent management/governance to fix, and let's face it: that is a very, very tall order.
The Conservatives have thoroughly discredited themselves with their incompetence, and the UK voting public has time and again demonstrated they would rather vote for populist "common sense" solutions of the far right/left (Reform/Corbyn wing acolytes) that ultimately lead to catastrophe (see: Brexit, Reform's popularity, Corbyn's previous takeover of Labour) than ascribe to the nuanced and technocratic, but much more boring reality that good policy is often difficult to convert into appealing sound bites.
In short, doctors could gamble a decade of their lives on the off-chance that Labour will come up with a good policy, successfully implement it, and not be pulled off course by populist extremists, or dissatisfaction with the absence of a "silver bullet" solution. Or they could just go to a country that hasn't decided to lobotomise itself.
Australia can pick and choose.
@@taffyterrierit picks and chooses British doctors
@@dynamite8100 It eschews poorly educated, badly trained British doctors who need to undertake bridging courses to bring them up to Australian standards.
I sympathise with the junior docs- but this strike is pointless. The government has six days to live; they are powerless. They should instead have put Labour on notice by announcing a strike in August, and then be speaking to the shadow secretary now.
This particular strike harms patients, to no good end. Yes, they have a point. Hold a rally at the weekend and encourage folks to throw out the Tories. But the Tories were never going to solve this; instead we have to solve the Tories.
It might not be pointless as it keeps it in everyone's minds. Those tempted to vote tory may decide to vote tactically. Labour get a reminder that this is very important.
I completely agree that timing is really poor. But it will inconvenience patients and cost thr NhS lots of money to pay consultants to cover the juniors, rather than harm patients. Any incremental harm over baseline is a drop in the ocean compared to day to day business under the enormous pressure that the Tories have engineered and ignored.
@@btd836 but solving this isn’t within the NHS gift; the chief executive made that crystal clear. NHS management has no control over Doctors salaries - that’s up to the Government. Who have comprehensively shown they don’t give a Monkeys … and won’t be in charge next weekend.
As to this not harming patients- that’s not true. Elective services get cancelled. I happen to be one of the consultants asked to cover junior roles - it’s additional headache we don’t need and when it’s so completely pointless borders on unethical to strike
The NHS is the best thing that has ever happened to this country they are rightly entitled to the respect and wages they deserve ❤
is that before or afteer cameron privatised it...
Doctors are overpaid.
British mental health nurse practitioner at my GP and my pearly whites are shining after seeing one of five British dentists that have hung up the shingles.
Think of the Australian people and vote Tory or reform we need more of your specialists 🇦🇺
I lived with 9 different people during med school. 3 are in NZ permanently, 1 is in Ireland, 1 had a nervous breakdown and hasn't worked in healthcare for 5 years. 4/9 still in the UK isn't bad is it? Our anaesthetic dept is starting to lose consultants to Australia. Say hi to them for me.
Just give them the 35 percent. Jesus, they're saving lives ..
Lets look at what people need rather than a job title, every professional job should be capped at 30% more than the minimum wage in the areas that are good for society to function and none of this should include paying back university loans.
@@picaso023 that has to be the most bonkers take I've seen in a long time.
@@musicmikemn Why?
@@musicmikemn it's a competitive market because it's been privatised in other countries, services will be reduced because they'll be propping up various departments income to pay staff a competitive wage, based on the market. You could change the migration laws so people can't just leave for better pay elsewhere in the world, if plan A doesn't work.
@@picaso023 So basically you want to trap highly skilled workers within the UK and prevent them from leaving? Isn't that basically a prison at that point