Ben Cline Makes Bold Accusation, Says ATF's Director Is Creating 'An Unlawful Registry' Of Firearms
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- Rep. Ben Cline (R-VA) questioned Steven Dettelbach, the Director of ATF, at a House Judiciary Committee hearing last week.
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ATF is too focused on the law abiding as opposed to the lawless.
Even if they were headquartered in Chicago, they wouldn't accomplish a damn thing.
It's a false sense of accomplishment. Guns purchased legally are easier to track as well as the buyers. Black market guns aren't. The ATF is lazy and incompetent. They are trying to prove they (the ATF) needed, thus they can keep their jobs.
Always have been.
With the redefinition of a few words you can be the next criminal. So they are tracking future criminals.
@@ai4px making future criminals. If they can criminalize disagreeing with them, then they can do whatever they want.
"we only use that data when trying to track down guns used in crimes"
"btw we just made a rule that says if you possess a pistol brace and put it on a pistol, that's a crime"
oh gee, takes a real genius to see where this is going
Yup back door gun confiscation which of course will result in them being slaughtered.
Yes, straight to tyranny. Enjoy!
Do they answer in this clip? I have yet to watch one where they actually answer lol
The only amendment with a cleary qouted "shall not infringe" is yet again being infringed upon
its not an accusation. its fact. how else would they have an idea of who has rare breed triggers or bumpstocks
Neither Rare Breed Triggers or bump stocks are serialized, so no direct records of sales exist at a point of sale location. Rumor has it that when the ATF raided Rare Breed, that the computers were seized and that they gleaned the sales records of people that directly purchased. Once the sales records of dealers, the sweep was widened to banks and card processors.
Remember when under the Clinton Justice Department headed by Janet (Waco) Reno in violation of the law, retained the NICS checks beyond the laws 90 day allowable. She ordered the retention of these records knowing that by law they were to be destroyed.
@@gungadinn They don’t follow the law so why should anyone else 😂. Fuck it just do whatever you want.
That's espionage as hell. Espionage on the American citizen without out permission or authority. For the patriot act, for CIA, I understand... for "who has what kind of weapon..." you better fuq off.. treading dangerous waters keeping a list like that as a government.
@@Mitch_Conner75926'm pretty sure that " doing what you want " within the context of " personal property " as long as such doesn't impact others doing what they want within the confines of their " personal property " and visa versa use to be defined as (also surprisingly the foundation of these United States ) "individual freedom".
@@gungadinn Most likely they used shipping records. The shippers like Fedex and UPS will demand that all items going through their system be notorized for insurance purposes. If they rarely or never delete those records than the all the ATF has to do is ask the shippers to search their database for the names and addresses of the people who had those items shipped to them.
So he’s not a:
firearms expert;
Alcohol expert;
Tobacco expert;
Explosives expert;
And now, not an IT expert.
Almost like he should be in the position he’s in. Weird
A typical Biden appointee....as long as he says yes to anything the Gestapo wants he's in.
Not a joke.
He is a flunky, set up to take the fall if the ATF get in to serious trouble. He gets sacked and the real bosses carry on as usual, with a new flunky in his place
@@robertwillis4061 easy way around that… end the ATF
When the only consequence is being scolded in a committee hearing nothing will change.
When Congress starts doing their job and stops funding criminal organizations and fixes whats been done to local police departments
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AMEN BROTHER!
I have yet to understand hearings that are nothing more than propaganda clips for reelection.
No repercussions, so witness's have no need to be prepared and can skirt the issues, with the excuse to we need to get together on that, typically behind closed doors with a catered lunch probably paid for by tax payers, like these hearings.
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@@Alloutofbubblegum-ow8dh Not all local police dpeartments are run efficiently and legally.
He is telling us the ATF is unable to use excel to sort data.
There is absolutely no need for the ATF. Time to disband.
All they'd have to do is get an algorithm to search the records that are digital. Its a registry. Just because they dont use the technology to make use of the registry, doesnt mean they arent.
Every agent employed by the ATF should be held to account, charged, and made to stand trial just like the jackboot thugs they endeavor to emulate. They should, as well, receive the exact same justice and mercy that those jackboots received.
Dismantle the ATF! This guy is dangerous and the things they have done only means they can't be trusted!
We including that time they lit a bunch of children and women on fire?
While I like the idea of dismantling the ATF, the only problem with it is that once they’re gone, the FBI takes over that aspect of federal law enforcement. They’re 1000% more corrupt and actively working against the will of the American people.
We’ve all known for awhile now that the ATF has been making an unconstitutional registration, and registration always leads to confiscation. It’s astounding that they lie about it when caught red handed. We all need to call out their authoritarian overreach
Trust their going to get bullets shot at them
Our rights are non-negotiable
Tell that to Mathew Hoover
@Turd Burglar I'm still voicing my opinion. I'm aware how bad it's been and still getting.
@Anissa H me too and I totally agree with you, I live by the constitution proudly and I'd rather die that obey someone who doesn't respect my rights.
@Jason Puddy government officials who violate our civil rights deserve the "traitors treatment"
Until they totally break the bill of rights and civilization ends
A man recently got put behind bars by the ATF for having a drawing of a part , only a drawing. Let that sink in
Unless they had an ACTUAL part made for a firearm, then it is just a drawing, and the Judge will dismiss the case and Penalise the ATF for wasting the Court's Time.
@@scottcarr3264 he’s already been convicted. The America you wanted is unavailable for purchase at this time.
It wasn’t simply a “drawing”…..but this conviction is still bullshit. They’re prosecuting people on “what someone might do…”
Every time these guys get caught breaking the law, they immediately deflect with but we're just trying to keep everyone safe argument.
ATF is forcing FFL’s out of business in order to create a gun registry.
shall not be infringed
Somebody has a searchable data base. Back in '88 after I was forced to shoot a home intruder to save my life and others in my house; at deposition, the attorney questioned why I used my "45 cal weapon" and not my Ruger target pistol in 22 cal.
HOW ELSE WOULD HE KNOW ABOUT A TARGET PISTOL, NEVER MENTIONED BEFORE?
UNLESS HE HAD SEARCHABLE PAPER RECORDS. The FFL where I had bought it years before had gone out of business years before.There was no NICS yet in 1988
PS in another Utube video, two others have reported similar experiences.
THEY HAVE A DATABASE.
Never choose a rimfire caliber (.22) over a centerfire caliber (.45) for self-defense. Rimfire cartridges are many times less reliable (more duds) -- the last thing you need is a dud round, when trying to defend your own life.
Obviously, the attorney was trying to manipulate the jury into believing that the criminal home intruder was somehow the victim.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Indeed, I chose a 45LC SAA because I was facing a 270 lb drugged up violent maniac!!!!!!! As it was he did not go down. Stopped his assaults but he did not go down!! Shot diagonally up thru the torso: liver, diaphragm, stomach and lung, he walked out to his car and was still on his feet 18 minutes later when the cops FINALLY GOT THERE!! I've got all of the medical records.
No a 22 rimfire would not have fazed him any more than Pres Reagan in 1980..
I believe they've already went over the program used. And the "search function" quite literally is only a box check in the settings to turn it on or off at will.
Pass legislation requiring all records be immediately destroyed once a purchase has been determined to be legal.
Arrest criminals. Who cares what type or what serial number.
Actually, arrests should be restricted to being done by local police, not ATF. ATF should not be allowed to carry guns.
There is already a federal law requiring destruction of those purchase records. The federal government is simply violating that law and getting away with it because the executive branch will not press charges against its own members who violate the law. Congress cannot force such arrests, but they can eliminate funding for executive branch agencies and they can impeach every president that allows the executive branch to abuse delegated presidential authority.
No replies? F yootoob censorship!
He keeps getting torn to ribbons. He's caught in a web of his own lies and just keeps plunging ahead. He's Cringe-o Pierre in male form 😏
The witness continually glances to his upper right. Who is sitting there, and why is the witness seeking their approval on a regular basis?
He may not be a computer expert, but he is an grifting expert.
@Fred the 47th I never said it was about money. It is about removing our constitutional rights one bite at a time. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
If I am made a felon by a bureau-rat, why not commit another felony when I am going to be arrested. As a law-abiding citizen charged with a felony my life is destroyed. My concern for the persons arbitrarily destroying me as a person has no more place in my heart. They have become a deadly enemy and I have a God given right to act in a manner to protect myself and my responsibility to my family. I pray to God there are honorable men who will refuse to act at their orders. I pray the judges and lawmakers will abolish these tyrants and if not is the right of THE PEOPLE to act.
" we don't have any records" yet I have seen them going through the books with their personal phones taking pictures.. in lubbock texas
Dettelbach should be charged , his actions and his testimony show direct violation of RIGHTS and LAW. Put this Criminal Bureaucracy OUT OF BUSINESS. ATF violates LAWS that would put a legal, law abiding, HONEST gun owners in prison. Why do they get special rights to circumvent the LAW ?
Abolish the ATF.
It's seems like every appointy of Sleepy Joe's is a cartoon version of a real person. This guy seems right out of the stories where the people who are really in-charge keep telling their front man what a great job he is doing as he goes around being completely clueless about what is going on.
its not a "bold accusation" its a literal fact
Steven Dettlebach isn’t a “computer expert” or a fireas expert. He is an expert of not answering questions, wasting time and causing headaches.
3:00 Words matter. "Every single firearms dealer that's CURRENTLY in business"; translated means they've confiscated all the records of those they've put out of business for minor technical errors, aka they're building a registry.
There should be no records kept by anyone. PERIOD
He's already stated that's he's not an expert in alcohol, tobacco or firearms. Now he's not a computer expert. Judging by his stuttering when asked questions he's Def a " hot air" expert because he's full of it
Dismantled thses crooks
There was a photo of a woman who was an ATF agent photographing the local gun dealers records!
End the atf and the irs.
Someone in comments PLEASE help me out because I seem to be completely ignorant about the role of the aft.....this expert of Nothing head of the aft Keeps saying their role is to go out and catch murderers and such....I THOUGHT that was the responsibility of the fbi and local law enforcement....and that the aft ONLY had regulatory authority NOT direct involvement in murder investigations????....again, I am trying to learn so please help.
i was under the impression that they were specifically a tax collecting extension of the irs
ATF should not be allowed to carry guns. If they generate a warrant, enlist local cops to serve it and if necessary, make an arrest.
I get that BUT as I said, this moron Keeps saying it's on Them...the atf to go out physically and catch murderers...I thought they were ONLY a Regulatory agency, PERIOD...NOT an investigation of murder scenes agency as HE Keeps saying...I don't know, I'm still confused But thnx for the replies guys !!
The ATF exists to collect taxes; specifically taxes created to criminalize the poor possessing certain items the wealthy want to keep to themselves.
you are correct. to begin with the ATF was a violation of the constitution. the ATF was formed during the prohibition 1920-1933 to enforce the 18th amendment but they werent officially the ATF yet, (BTW the 18th amendment was abolished by the 21st amendment.) they officially were formed in 1972 but originally started as a branch of the treasury as "The Bureau of Prohibition", the agents were also known as the "Untouchables" due to certain things. they were disbanded in 1933 but then became the ATU (Alcohol Tax Unit) and in 1942 responsibility for enforcing federal firearms laws was transferred to them, then in the 1950s the bureau of internal revenue (which had responsibility for enforcing federal tobacco tax laws at the time) became the IRS and responsibility for federal tobacco tax laws was transferred to the ATU and the name of the ATU became ATTD (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division). and in 1968 when the GCA was passed they were given responsibility for enforcing it and started to be referred to as the ATF division of the IRS. then in title XI of the OCCA of 1970 Congress enacted the ECA which provided for close regulation of the explosives industry. The ATF was given responsibility for this act, and in 1972 the ATF became an independent bureau within The Treasury Department and then in 2002 after 9/11 when the HSA was signed into law and the Department of Homeland Security was established, the ATF was transferred from the Treasury to the Department of Justice (DOJ). then the task of collecting tax revenue from tobacco and alcohol was transferred to the TTB which remained a part of the treasury. which also means that the A and T in ATF dont matter anymore and are pretty much irrelevant at this point but they through their weight around as a branch of the DOJ illegally but since they are with the DOJ it is difficult for justice to be served. also the FOPA of 1986 had to be formed because of their corruption and unconstitutional actions against law abiding gun owners, because ATF agents had been targeting those with collections and collectors items rather than "criminal street guns" and in 1986 it was estimated that 75% of ATF gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens with no criminal intent. And since then theyve been a pest creating new definitions and enforcing them unlawfully, Ever heard of the Ruby Ridge standoff, i'd recommend looking it up.
WOW, hearing the literal “tap dance” around questions is more than AMAZING! Wow, and I AM on that list for a long time now…WOW…
Steven Dettelbach is a flat out liar when he says they are not collecting FFL records from in business dealers and stores. I know first hand that ATF goes to local firearm dealers and ask to see records and take pictures of the records. The current problem with ATF doing this is the names are not on the old forms (front page) and they are not allowed to peruse them. That is why the newest form has all purchaser information on the front page, to assist in capturing the data.
So what? If you're not a criminal then why do you care??
@@Dan-sc7us because it's illegal for them to set up a database. They aren't just infringing on the second amendment here, they're infringing on your right to privacy. This is no different from a HIPAA violation.
@@Infantry492 I don't see how it's infringing on gun rights at all! As far as privacy, there's very little of that left anyway!
@@Dan-sc7us so you're ok with throwing your rights away instead of standing up for yourself and taking them back? Just because there's "very little privacy left" doesn't mean you should be ok with bureaucrats stripping away at it. That's the whole point. Stop letting unelected officials get away with crimes and violating the constitution
@@Infantry492 Okay, when you look at it that way I agree! But most people are upset because they see it as one step on the way to confiscation! And I think that's ridiculous! It's NRA propaganda!
atf- "we have all the info of who has guns to help police " ....(ben)- so u have a registry? ....(atf)-"no we dont have that ability and its not a list " ...... (police) - "hey can you find out who bought this gun?" ... (atf) - "sure let me check my list" .... ok then LOL
“I can’t tell you if the sun will come up tomorrow because I’m not an expert in astrology.” Steve Dettlebach in a nutshell.
@Jason Puddy I would pay to see that!
The simple fact that the ATF is showing of The People's doorsteps about purchases is proof that they have a working list. And they are using it.
Great job, Mr. Cline! You make us Virginia residents proud!
I once caught several ATF agents in street clothes, but they were ATF, digitizing 4473s at a local gun shop!
He said : We don't have records of Dealers that are still in business yet
anecdotal evidence the backbone of injustice for all.
ARM YOURSELVES. While you still can .
The ATF says they don't have a gun registry and a few minutes later they say they are helping law enforcement track guns with their database. If you don't have a gun registry, you can't track guns and give the info to law enforcement.
It’s not just an accusation, it’s what they’re doing.
Can this A.T.F. Director answer a question truthfully instead of side stepping by mumbling jumbo answers, this person needs to be impeached immediately.
He is! They had to delete $hitloads of illegal files
Stuttering………..first sign of LYING!
I haven't heard him mention the word 'warrant' one time. "law enforcement", the people that will soon be forced to protect law abiding citizens from the ATF just asks and receives eh?
Not a computer expert? Well, you aren't a gun expert by your own statement!
Dismantle this over reaching organization.
Abolish the ATF. Can not find any reference to having a department to regulate the 2nd Amendment.
Someone has to take the gun registry away from them
As a Ben Cline constituent, thank you for speaking the truth, Ben!
The fact that every democrat appointed position fails to answer any questions about their job should tell you everything you need to know about the democrat party.
Yup! We need them under Oath and directed to answer questions directly. If a yess or no will suffice no "Well I thank you for the question..." and all this needs to be stated to each WITNESS UNDER OATH. And charge those who violate these instructions with Contempt of Congress!
No way! These hearings are just big show for republican talking points!
So they say they scrub the names, but they have ALL the other information? Serial numbers, make and caliber, dealer name, time and locations of sales. Would that also include the address of the buyers of said firearms?
If it's unlawful to have the information while the business is still open, what makes it leagle when they close their business? You now have the locations of everyone that purchased a firearm! That's a registry is it not? Another unconstitutional 'rule' authorized by the ATFE.
When the nefarious have no accountability they have no reason to change.
This isnt unique to this appointed ATF Director. He repeatly states that he is NOT an expert to anything his is asked about.
They already have a secret registry
I like to think that I do a job and that I'm an expert at it how is the lead director of the ATF not an expert on anything about his job how does even have a job
Most directorships are awarded for political contributions and party loyalty, recommended by the behind-the-scenes leaders within the parties. There generally is a preference for people with relevant experience, but not always.
How would he "know" that the ATF is compliant with the law. IF he's not a technical expert regarding the computer systems the ATF uses to store the data?
Ay! The lying!🤥
They already have a registry. You think they just let go of all those 4473's ?
ATF is totally overstepping their ground !
It’s not accusation if it’s a fact. Rules are NOT laws!
Defund everything.
Not a computer expert. Not a firearm expert. Not a tobacco expert. Not an explosive expert.. Why does this guy even have a job??
"But this helps us catch MURDERERS!" - Used to excuse totalitarianism throughout history
Every city has homicide units in their detective offices already. That was never a stated purpose of ATF. He’s lying and trying to advertise the ATF as some kind of crime-fighting agency, when their entire existence is a crime against the people in direct violation of the Bill of Rights.
I'm gonna testify watche
i'm so glad we have brave men like this to protect us from tobacco and alcohol
If there's no registry, there won't be a problem when we Waco their server rooms.
It is a violation of the 4th Amendment for the government to have and retain the personal and private information contained on the form 4473.
I Voted for Ben Kline and will in the Future
Didn’t press Beetlejuice hard enough
Dismantle the ATF
Defund the ATF now! and abolish the NFA
Ya RIGHT
Nort hard to build your own, and it's legal for now.
ATF needs to go away.
Records are supposed to be digitized!
I wouldn't ALLOW Beetleback to carry a pen let alone a gun!!!
It's known that ATF illegally collect FFL records
The ATF should ONLY be able to track a weapon by its individual serial number. NOT by the make or model. The information should all be from the weapon, not the owner. No search by license or anything like that unless it is pulled from the records for a specific gun.
To make it clear to the Democrat Gestapo..Republican lawmakers need to say " CONGRESS PASSES LAWS NOT BEUROCRATS OR KGB DEMOCRATS " .
My last video LITERALLY went like this at one point
Do you think women should play with men in sports?
"Well sir you see it is my belief that a mother should be able to...."
Do you think women should play with men in sports?
"Well the NCA states that it is possible for the levels of..."
Do you think women should play with men in sports?
"I think we need to address gender and sex here as the gender may..."
Do you think women should play with men in sports?
"its just that when someone with a gender that they dont..."
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF JUST ANSWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR they dont even answer the BASICS
Unlawful. Against the law. ARREST THEM GOSH
we must defend our rights
That's ALL you know!! Your "rights"!!
Here is a servant trying to be KING
Hello im the director of the ATF and i promise to give a rambling incoherent answer to a simple yes or no question. I also have zero experiense with anything the ATF does. I also wish to make good folks into felons as fast as I can.
*Truthful statement, there fixed your headline.
Edit : I sincerely hope the supreme court ends the atf.
Expert in treason
The solution to the out of business forms is quite simple. Image the actual form, assign it a barcode, and record the serial number of the firearm. Thus, when a firearm is recovered from a crime, the serial number can be searched, and the actual form image can be seen. But there is no searchable info by firearm type or purchaser.
Did you checkout the "eye shifting" on this guy? I'm no psychologist/profiler, but the lies are just pouring out of him.
Atf should be disbanded after their role in supplying the cartels with firearms
The ATF needs to be abolished they have violated there oath of office
yep
DEETLEBACH guy is SFOS. when the data is digitized, it can be digitally searched on any of the data. -30 year IT veteran.
I'm not an IT tech, but I have used computers for a very long time now in my line of work, and that includes databases for looking up parts, among other things. So, I know exactly what you are saying is 100% accurate. If they digitize the data, they have a registry.
Spot on Congressman Ben Cline.