Rap Nihilism: What Vince Staples Is Telling Us

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  • Examining the music and philosophy of rapper Vince Staples.
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  • @odpopcorn586
    @odpopcorn586 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    People like Vince don’t want you to idolise him, only wants you to do you.

  • @estevesmartins7935
    @estevesmartins7935 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +304

    “How do you convince yourself that it’s ok to live in poverty?”:- that quote is as powerful as it gets.

    • @_donjose
      @_donjose 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This shit hits different when you come from south central LA 💯

    • @sandbox7388
      @sandbox7388 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      true

    • @luyandanene6364
      @luyandanene6364 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@_donjose not only South central LA . I've listened to Vince since 2013 through Earl and I can firmly say this , because I'm in South Africa 🇿🇦 and that question is a cut and clear and deep as it gets because it's right there

  • @Nellz31593
    @Nellz31593 ปีที่แล้ว +561

    Powerful. I feel like people won't truly appreciate his voice until he's gone . Mfs be addicted to a death culture unfortunately.

    • @dboyedoe
      @dboyedoe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's gonna be a LONG time in that case. Vince is gonna die an old ass man after living a full life.

    • @claysoggyfries
      @claysoggyfries ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I’m sad that it happened to MF Doom. I loved his music

    • @Nellz31593
      @Nellz31593 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dboyedoe facts. Just hope the masses wll give him his flowers before then🤞

    • @bluewave3417
      @bluewave3417 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Those people aren't worth impressing. On a certain level Hip Hop fans need to look at themselves. At some point the best and most talented will find other genres of art to express that talent. Because increasingly Hip Hop and its fans don't deserve the best and most talented artists anymore.

    • @35jfg35
      @35jfg35 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@bluewave3417 who are you to judge? Seriously get off your High Horse and Let people Grow into Music naturally.

  • @SuperVerseman
    @SuperVerseman ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Man I can relate. I tell my wife I had a good two three-year run of fighting everyday. You be tired. Tired of looking behind you. Physically tired from fighting. Mentally exhausted from always being in survival mode, or even a defensive mode.

  • @Emonkey12345
    @Emonkey12345 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    What immediately drew me in to Vinces music was his way of rapping. His lyrics contain things that wider society would consider abhorrent but he says it all so matter of factly. Really gives insight about the experiences he's had growing up.

  • @stefanroche3052
    @stefanroche3052 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    “We just have to know more about each other before we speak on each other”

  • @AjaxDGonzo
    @AjaxDGonzo ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I think Vince’s best example of this artistically, was his album big fish. That self titled track off the album had so many great metaphors about being a big fish in a little pond. Both a braggadocios and humble statement. And he finally gave us “crabs in a bucket” another great metaphor he’s referenced a few times before. Seniorita also really spoke on what he was saying as far as “ what’s an action movie without an explosion?”

  • @louaista
    @louaista ปีที่แล้ว +127

    wow great video. i love vince staples. so real, so funny, and his music and lyrics are real.

  • @rickrizzle423
    @rickrizzle423 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Theres a this clip is when he said that people dont gove gifts to be kind, they do it just to please their own egos. Look at how they react when they give you something. Mind blown!🤯🤯🤯🤯

    • @ramadhan1481
      @ramadhan1481 ปีที่แล้ว

      how they react?

    • @tomwilko7841
      @tomwilko7841 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He cool but he ain't inventing 'Indian giving' its a fully accepted human behavior since time began

    • @joncliffmckinley5868
      @joncliffmckinley5868 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tomwilko7841 thats not "Indian giving" - the term was for giving gifts and then taking them back

  • @dharris5887
    @dharris5887 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I wasn’t ashamed being from the ghetto and I didn’t make it my personality, I believe my mother raised me right in standing up for others and being happy with what you got

  • @3d1k3
    @3d1k3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    If Vince dropped an hour long interview or an hour long album.....I'm copping the interview. I say that as a person who still buys music and enjoy Vince's music. Music limits his expression. I wish he had a producer he could work with to craft one single body of work that best captured his mind and then he can move on to the bigger work he's here to do. in my opinion. He's as eloquent and potent and poignant as Pac and Nip. That's good bad company. Get him out of LA and out of Hip Hop and somewhere else where he can keep impacting the world.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      110%

    • @zephaniahmcdaniels
      @zephaniahmcdaniels ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's getting closer to it. I think he could do it with Kenny Beats but they would have to really hunker down

  • @postmalonalisa420
    @postmalonalisa420 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Vince knows.
    Work for yourself. Improve for yourself. Learn for yourself.
    You really have everything to blame and everything to gain by yourself.
    Everything else falls in place.

  • @dark12ain
    @dark12ain 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bow this is what i need more of stuff like this gives me hope

  • @dotapark
    @dotapark ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When summer 06 was out, I loved that album even slightly more than TPAB. As a guy who lives in poverty, in other country, he’s songs still talking deep into me. Never knew he said this much outside of his music so, thanks for the video.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching, like and subscribe to support the channel!

  • @blayzej
    @blayzej ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great analysis, top notch quality.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly appreciate that. Means I’m heading in the right direction. Thanks for watching and supporting.

  • @franklinbenham5515
    @franklinbenham5515 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was such an amazing video, I look forward to watching all your other ones!

  • @timkenda8203
    @timkenda8203 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    His verse on the end of "Hive" was what drew me to him, but his whole catalog is FIRE.

  • @grayearly3116
    @grayearly3116 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One thing stuck with me is an interview back in the day where he said that he only raps when he needs to get something off of his chest, made me really think about the music I was making at the time and really made me step up my game and be more introspective in my writing. I have a lot of respect for Vinny

  • @dimadobrik4516
    @dimadobrik4516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've only really heard his name, never the music or message behind it. Thank you so much for showing me this guy, this is what music lacks and I'm all for it

  • @oluwatobaajani1379
    @oluwatobaajani1379 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was a good video. Very well explained. I think Jean Baudrillard's theory of hyperrealism fits the narrative Vince describes with regards to the fan who consumes black trauma content for pleasure without any actual interaction with the content.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out my Nope Video for that discussion

  • @sfeedz
    @sfeedz ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Never disappoints 🔥

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate the comment! Thanks for watching!

  • @karsonmapes
    @karsonmapes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the realest person out there and i respect him a lot for that.

  • @syrukean
    @syrukean ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Glad this video was created.
    Thanks man

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Stick around and check out my other essays! Thanks for watching

  • @MoveLove427
    @MoveLove427 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazingly insightful essay. Thank you for making this.

  • @DubstepInFeCtIoN494
    @DubstepInFeCtIoN494 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful video man, I love it.

  • @124BILLION
    @124BILLION ปีที่แล้ว +1

    U did a great job with this short doc… I subbed in and hope for more greatness from you!!!

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!!!

  • @FirstClassEntertainment-um9ip
    @FirstClassEntertainment-um9ip 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you did an awesome job editing this video

  • @callmearies7951
    @callmearies7951 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was so beautiful man. Keep it going

  • @thfctry
    @thfctry ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vince Staples offers so much to music, but it's his intellectual perspective and awareness that truly separates his message from that of his peers

  • @tahjimahaji2453
    @tahjimahaji2453 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    now this is a well done real ass shit need people need to see type vid

  • @TragedySZN
    @TragedySZN ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video man

  • @QueenJalenaSparks
    @QueenJalenaSparks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this was so good thank you

  • @mokaza40
    @mokaza40 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That explains why people don't like my rap Playlist. I be playing Vince and Tyler. Love the introspective raps.

  • @clanxcult7475
    @clanxcult7475 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very inspirational piece Thank you

  • @eldritchfloatie7196
    @eldritchfloatie7196 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like Vince a lot, and in interviews he shows his cleverness, but tbh, his songs are the same gangster shit as everyone else's. He might feel critical of it and write from the heart as therapy, but he still makes his past life sound profound and purpose-giving instead of the rotten, soul-crushing hell it must have been in retrospect. He also has outright Crips ads with TeeCee DaLoc

    • @unpopuler
      @unpopuler 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking the same thing, he's an american in entertainment, and most artists are put on a high pedestal because they can do "artsy thing" at the end of the day. It's kind of ironic the essayist is trying to portray nihilism as a deep and profound ideology also lmao. At least Vince has money so he can shit talk the haters, that's the true american delusion real living!

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate the thoughts here! I’d argue that his take is one that runs contrary to the popular forms of gangster rap. The nihilism aspect is part of what makes it unique, in that we compartmentalize the entertainment factor. Vince is an embodiment of that lifestyle, a cold blooded killer who understands just how depraved what we’re consuming is. He was a victim and perpetrator of it and his music should scare us. Not putting him on s pedestal but using as an example against that lifestyle. But yes, he is profiting from that lifestyle he lived through his music because we want to consume it. It’s self fulfilling in a sense. Thank you for watching!

  • @smyd23
    @smyd23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great essay on a fantastic artist and mind

  • @jr5296
    @jr5296 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    underrated rapper

  • @kenndavid7172
    @kenndavid7172 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, you have me looking at rap in a different way

  • @williamh9747
    @williamh9747 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Young man got it. I need to listen to his music.

  • @fadul9991
    @fadul9991 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    good video, put a lot of ideas on paper that resonated and connected. keep doing u, great work.

  • @jailenwebber982
    @jailenwebber982 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You got people that it’s real to, that don’t wanna talk about it. They got people that ain’t never done it that loves talking about it

  • @misterx4757
    @misterx4757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content man. I'm gonna check this young brother's music out.

  • @kaboosetge6610
    @kaboosetge6610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video well put together 💯

  • @asg7535
    @asg7535 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t know why he’s isn’t bigger. He’s one of the greatest of this generation. 🙌🏿

  • @thursday6479
    @thursday6479 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i love your analysis. Great explanation too. Props

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Like, subscribe and check out my film analysis, I’ve got another one dropping soon.

  • @kiddcarruso7135
    @kiddcarruso7135 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From my time in studio up till now in CA I caught that, but one thing for you guys ya know we all got homies since middle school right can’t do everything they be doing but I found myself only focused on the music an one day somebody in there who was banging an everything else said you know that’s why we like him around here, cuz even though he’s around it he doesn’t try to act like it or put himself on it, also knows we’ve chosen to do bad but you won’t do it just to be cool. If you got a similar situation keep your integrity you will always get respect for being yourself you ain gotta fake the funk an be thug to do this shit an get daps an people tipping hats man fr

  • @imcalibro24
    @imcalibro24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

    • @imcalibro24
      @imcalibro24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kazmaloop be problem keep it up💪🏽🔥🔥

  • @XxFuZexToxicxX
    @XxFuZexToxicxX ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He real fort this.... The same people who have interests in music production companies and labels are the same ones who have interests in the prison system. The same music that those parties makes money from is the same party who is benefitting from raps influence. Every time a young kid who gets influenced by drill or gangster rap and gets locked up because of it, they fill their pockets from both ends.

  • @KasparrTV
    @KasparrTV ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The radio don't play the shit I used to love, or maybe I'm just growing up" - Big KRIT - The Vent

  • @SCriBBledUpMinD
    @SCriBBledUpMinD ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "you gotta figure a way out how to not feel ashamed of who you are & where you come from" Dang I never heard it worded that way (Eminem voice: "I can't think of a perfecter way to word it" [LTS])

  • @GMacII
    @GMacII ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His Ray J hypothesis was great

  • @MrManPivot
    @MrManPivot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10/10 video man keep it up

  • @spacemansam_
    @spacemansam_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and commentary bro!

  • @allistertenpenny6871
    @allistertenpenny6871 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A part of me feels like Schoolboy Q's music is similar to Vince's. A lot of his songs talk about street and gang shit but its done in a manner where it feels ominous. Like you dont feel like its being glorified. Instead its being portrayed as being evil almost. Idk maybe im wrong.

  • @durere
    @durere 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just saw 3 minutes of this cat on Hot Ones, and knew for a fact he's realer than 99% of 'em.

  • @topshelfmike
    @topshelfmike ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video bro, Keep working!!

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Much appreciated

  • @kazmaloop
    @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +33

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    • @Roses_R_redeR
      @Roses_R_redeR ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is great work...🔥
      🥀🥀‼️‼️🥀🥀

    • @three7142
      @three7142 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what do you know about black culture?

  • @harv1
    @harv1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Until you got some money you ain’t shit” n that’s how it is unfortunately

  • @henry2168
    @henry2168 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BEAUTIFUL

  • @OfficialSoundTrak
    @OfficialSoundTrak 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a masterpiece

  • @stevemagic5358
    @stevemagic5358 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vince - lift me up is a classic

  • @KT-ih1rr
    @KT-ih1rr 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video made me subscribe

  • @thambidave
    @thambidave ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am here for Vince Staples content

  • @TDN401
    @TDN401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was incredible. Wow

  • @TonyRealTalk07
    @TonyRealTalk07 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vince low key is a philosophical/poetic rapper

  • @desert_druid_xD
    @desert_druid_xD ปีที่แล้ว +3

    mate i am inspired by your lupe video and your STYLE much impress very like

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!!!! Really appreciate it. I’ll be uploading a new film analysis soon so stay tuned!

  • @oscarmlungisi4143
    @oscarmlungisi4143 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are fantastic

  • @strydermunoz491
    @strydermunoz491 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so dope so well done

  • @jamestaylor3805
    @jamestaylor3805 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The message was traded for a paycheck, and here's the unpopular opinion of the month, that paycheck above all else mentality started with the Wu Tang Clan.

  • @chrish813
    @chrish813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a good video

  • @brandonvisioneri5730
    @brandonvisioneri5730 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude to real is all I can say

  • @RickDecember
    @RickDecember ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent vid on Vince!! . First of your content I've seen, and it was great!!! Had to Sub! Folks hit them subs up!

  • @KingDavidTBE
    @KingDavidTBE 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vince the sociologist -philospher

  • @jackwilshere4070
    @jackwilshere4070 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:07 Interesting scene choice lol

  • @tru2thastyle
    @tru2thastyle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't agree with all of Vince's takes, but he is very thought provoking!

  • @bricbrac28
    @bricbrac28 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like he was one if those kids that when he got in trouble he say what you yellin for??

  • @jadebrown9148
    @jadebrown9148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I 💙 Vince Staples

  • @bakintaco
    @bakintaco 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why you using the beat from neighbors know my name tho at 7:30 lmaooooo

  • @estebanlacrosse7847
    @estebanlacrosse7847 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was really good thanks for making it

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My pleasure, thanks for watching!

  • @shingielee
    @shingielee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    deep

  • @MagsTheNomad
    @MagsTheNomad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, this hit me hard

  • @kantankafinejewellersinc.1879
    @kantankafinejewellersinc.1879 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was dope.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Check out my latest video!

  • @lordkin-kong8888
    @lordkin-kong8888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Respect

  • @jadacampbell9331
    @jadacampbell9331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't know maurice is a rapper

  • @Bizzle369
    @Bizzle369 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Either they don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on in the hood

  • @AzumaRikimaru
    @AzumaRikimaru ปีที่แล้ว

    uhh, no mention of shyne coldchain?

  • @fitzybaga4001
    @fitzybaga4001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is ❤

  • @6enwah
    @6enwah 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I didn’t know nothing about staples tell now….

  • @Ree_DV9
    @Ree_DV9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @dillionchatmsn6349
    @dillionchatmsn6349 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He learned from the best, Mac Miller. He watched his demise first hand I believe.

  • @mokaza40
    @mokaza40 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vince staples is the black half of Logic

  • @hiddenpotentialproject806
    @hiddenpotentialproject806 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't think he's a nihilist, I think he's a realist.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As in really nihilist

  • @fido9745
    @fido9745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like it.

  • @NuffinWithoutRuffin
    @NuffinWithoutRuffin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Video was great I love Vince music and interviews bruh a good dude in general, but I wasn’t prepared for the Plies and Akon Hypnotized instrumental 🤣🤣

  • @ellistatnall1623
    @ellistatnall1623 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Appreciate the time and work you put into this. Great watch! 🫡

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching. Like and subscribe to support the channel!

  • @waxpants
    @waxpants 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    theirs a reason why the CIA funded gangsta rap in the 90s

  • @gotjuice9
    @gotjuice9 ปีที่แล้ว +1415

    "Summertime, '06" was Vince at his most seemingly nihilistic, but "Ramona Park Broke My Heart" kinda shows that was a facade.. a mask to disguise the hidden pain and tears of a "Stolen Youth." It's warm and nostalgic. Vince is definitely cynical, but he has a moral center. A drill rapper, he is not.

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +99

      Great comment thank you. I completely agree regarding his moral center. I believe that the quote from Nietzsche is used to describe the one who can live morally, despite the immorality around him, as ubermensche. A drill rapper is one consumed by the abyss, not one who has overcome it like Staples

    • @talkwordy3065
      @talkwordy3065 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kazmaloop Honestly fuck Nietzche as this point. Stirner and Novatore are the better demonstrations of nihilism.

    • @TheZademann
      @TheZademann ปีที่แล้ว +58

      You can have morals and be a nihlist. Nihlism can be viewed as believing that the universe does not care. In an uncaring world, people can still help each other or hurt each other.

    • @alexisgomez4996
      @alexisgomez4996 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Listen to shyne cold chain 1

    • @kazmaloop
      @kazmaloop  ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@TheZademann nihilism bases itself on the idea that there are no moral principles. Nietzsche was grappling with the fact that if this is the case how do we live justly. Many people don’t know what it means to truly live without the belief in moral value. Most people grow up with the religious framework even if they’re irreligious. I think children who grow in the harsh reality painted by Staples and can still be kind are those beacons of hope.

  • @prod.bycheese
    @prod.bycheese ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video man

  • @rubo8925
    @rubo8925 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

  • @JStack
    @JStack ปีที่แล้ว +238

    I hate fake rap. Drake talking about bullets, gang members talking about club life or bitches. Depressed dudes tryna sound happy, happy tryna sound depressed. Vince’s music is honest and direct, and I love how music changes with the artist.

    • @koldheartedbam1064
      @koldheartedbam1064 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Drake is a “the lover” archetype not a “rebel” he makes lover boi type music

    • @Thehuskyspam
      @Thehuskyspam 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even though its not rap I’ve always felt that “happy tryna be depressed” about Billie Ellish music. Theres a clear difference between someone happy making depressed music and a depressed person making depressed music

    • @Yerocco
      @Yerocco 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@koldheartedbam1064he definitely dissed xxx. He definitely does gun bars. His media music is lovey. But he acts like a gangster even though he high key fruity.