Bass trumpets are much more common and are in the trombone range an octave below the standard Bb trumpet. I remember seeing Ron Miles play a low trumpet in F, but I don't know what he called it. I suppose alto is the most logical name for an instrument in that range.
@@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic It would be nice if "bass" were reserved for instruments an octave below the common Bb or C trumpet, but I've definitely seen it applied to Eb instruments. More often than I've seen them called "alto," even. Schoenberg's Gurre-Lieder has an Eb bass trumpet part. The "bass trumpet" part of the Ring Cycle has passages in several transpositions, one of which is Eb (though I've heard of the idea that Wagner didn't actually expect all his different brass transpositions to be played on different instruments, so maybe that applies here). The Sibelius music notation program has both "Bass Trumpet in Bb" and "Bass Trumpet in Eb" presets, and a "Tenor Trumpet in Eb" one (which is a terminology I've never seen anywhere else), but no "Alto Trumpet in Eb" one. The F instrument, though, I've only ever seen referred to as "alto." In fact, I'd only ever seen it in one context, which is the scores of Rimsky-Korsakov and other Russian composers of that era.
I have a Conn alto horn with the bell that swivels forward, but I have never heard of an alto trumpet. Sounds far more trombone-like than the alto horn, which is a little closer to French horn.
There are lots of them in Eastern Europe, but with rotary valves and, I think, a smaller bore. I've had a few. I've got one now, so if you want a video of it, let me know!
Sounds too much like a trombone for me to consider it a trumpet personally. Can you fit a trumpet cup in it? Cornet shank maybe or is it closer to bone shank? Mellophonium gang checking in, btw. =]
It has a regular trumpet bell which fits all of my regular mutes, and it takes an alto horn mouthpiece. It does sound more like a trombone, but it's all trumpet parts.
It is an alto valve trombone. Mechanically it is the same, the only difference is how the tubing is coiled. A tenor trombone is a tenor trumpet. In Italian, "trombone" means "large trumpet." Trumpet is "tromba."
I more often see trumpets that are a fifth below the common trumpet in Bb referred to as "bass" trumpets, but "alto" makes much more sense.
Bass trumpets are much more common and are in the trombone range an octave below the standard Bb trumpet. I remember seeing Ron Miles play a low trumpet in F, but I don't know what he called it. I suppose alto is the most logical name for an instrument in that range.
@@RidgewoodSchoolofMusic It would be nice if "bass" were reserved for instruments an octave below the common Bb or C trumpet, but I've definitely seen it applied to Eb instruments. More often than I've seen them called "alto," even. Schoenberg's Gurre-Lieder has an Eb bass trumpet part. The "bass trumpet" part of the Ring Cycle has passages in several transpositions, one of which is Eb (though I've heard of the idea that Wagner didn't actually expect all his different brass transpositions to be played on different instruments, so maybe that applies here). The Sibelius music notation program has both "Bass Trumpet in Bb" and "Bass Trumpet in Eb" presets, and a "Tenor Trumpet in Eb" one (which is a terminology I've never seen anywhere else), but no "Alto Trumpet in Eb" one.
The F instrument, though, I've only ever seen referred to as "alto." In fact, I'd only ever seen it in one context, which is the scores of Rimsky-Korsakov and other Russian composers of that era.
The "bass trumpet in B-flat" is not a bass instrument at all. It is in tenor pitch. Simply a coiled-up tenor valve trombone.
@@RidgewoodSchoolofMusicRon Miles (RIP) was also famous for playing a Monette cornet in G!
Can you say which Rimsky Korsakov piece(s) use F alto trumpet?
I've got a lignatone alto trumpet as well as a Hirsbrunner alto flugel. I've only got some older videos of them, but I'll make some this coming month.
Wowwww never heard of this type! Thank you for sharing🔥🎺
Super cool horn.
A bit like the Big sister to the E flat SopranoCornet 🎶🎺🎶😊
I have a Conn alto horn with the bell that swivels forward, but I have never heard of an alto trumpet. Sounds far more trombone-like than the alto horn, which is a little closer to French horn.
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A rarity for sure! Where does one even find an alto trumpet?
The internet, though I don't think I've come across another one since I found this one.
There are lots of them in Eastern Europe, but with rotary valves and, I think, a smaller bore. I've had a few. I've got one now, so if you want a video of it, let me know!
Sounds too much like a trombone for me to consider it a trumpet personally. Can you fit a trumpet cup in it? Cornet shank maybe or is it closer to bone shank?
Mellophonium gang checking in, btw. =]
It has a regular trumpet bell which fits all of my regular mutes, and it takes an alto horn mouthpiece. It does sound more like a trombone, but it's all trumpet parts.
Same range as an alto trombone too?
Yes, exactly!
It is an alto valve trombone. Mechanically it is the same, the only difference is how the tubing is coiled. A tenor trombone is a tenor trumpet. In Italian, "trombone" means "large trumpet." Trumpet is "tromba."