Did so a while ago at the time of writing. Response has been pretty good from community members. No idea about Klei themselves, although they supposedly read every forums post, so you never know.
@@k2ggers961 What mistakes? The game is super clean. The crab king is behaving like it was intented to. It is not flawed at least In Klei's eyes. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the world dosent revolve around you. And that just because you fucking suck at a game that doesn't mean that the game is inherently flawed but that your sense of what is good and bad is inherently flawed. Maybe Klei doesn't fucking care about what you say because your viewpoint is obviously not in the right place. The crab king was not designed to be an easy boss infact the exact opposite and if there way of implementing challenge is making the boss slow and tedious, than so fucking be it. It doesn't matter in the end because the boss ends up being challenging any way so be it a different type of challenge a challenge nontheless.
One way I think that would encourage creativity, and would make a player choose a different strategy than someone else depending on their playstyle would be to MAKE THE GEMS HAVE DOWNSIDES FOR THE DAMN BOSS!!! Why do the gems only buff him?? Think characters, all characters have their pros, BUT they all have some form of con (although I feel that Klei has been slacking on character cons lately, but that's another story). If the gems buff him on one aspect, it should totally debuff another, I mean c'mon, that'd fix THAT issue for sure. PLEASE KLEI!!!
@@LEGnewTube Well, for example, blue gems could give him a weakness to fire, red gems could make him easier to freeze, puple gems could make him more affected by glass cutters (or less affect the durability of them, like with shadows), etc. This would encourage different techniques and make the boss less repetitive everytime you fight him. But to make him less repetitive while in the fight maybe he could have phases, like Klaus and Toadstool for example.
Nice vid, Freddo. Here's my thoughts. I think the reason the ice staff "feels" cheesy is because we have never yet needed them for a boss fight. It's a shame considering how amazing it is a weapon and how quickly we accumulate blue gems in this game. But I don't think that makes it inherently cheap or cheesy to have to use it to cancel an attack. We have relied on strategies that use a pan flute to continually put bosses like Dfly and Toadstool to sleep but don't generally consider that "cheese," even though it takes one toot versus six swings of an ice staff. You still need to time the cast accurately in order to sneak in six swings before the geysers get summoned and that takes a fair deal of coordination. The freeze and geyser attack can both end the fight quickly, agreed. I actually like that aspect of this fight considering both give you plenty of time to react. It's interesting to hear other players take issue with a less forgiving boss which to me is much more akin to bosses in other roguelike games. I do strongly agree however that CK should be a bit more easy to find. And if the celestial tribute is going to be a more important item in future updates then I pray that they will not subject us to mapping out the entire ocean just to make progress.
I believe this mostly stems from the fact that the boat mechanics are slow, imprecise, and expensive. Other raid bosses like D fly and Misery toad have highly destructive and powerful attacks, but at least they at least let you have your full range of movement, can’t Ohko you and are actually dodgable, with klei mostly let their players have fun cheesing their bosses and infinitely stunlocking them with pan pipes and ice flingos. Crab king was buffed to remove the dominant strategy, basically telling us that Klei doesn’t want us doing this. And the worst part is that bees do a better job of killing it than you do.
one problem is that unlike the other bosses, this one has a much bigger necessity on that strategy. Unlike toad stool and dragon fly where it's mostly to dodge main attacks, all of crab kings attacks require that specific tool. Also I feel that the ice staff was more of an escape plan than anything but that's just me, as Well as this comment.
@@darienlizama7449 Which tool? The ice staff? Seems to me that other raid bosses are just as demanding of specific resources for legit soloing. FW needs Lazy explorers and usually weather pains, Dragonfly requires a pan flute to de-enrage, Ancient Guardian requires speed modifiers to dodge effectively. I have no qualms with the ice staff being an essential tool for this fight because it's cheap to craft and never gets utilized enough considering its potential.
Seems like it was designed to not be soloable. The fight is perfectly manageable with more than one player. Have one person doing damage while the other keeps the boat good or is ready to throw down a new one. Add more and it gets even easier. The freeze stun lock is a problem though.
And there is the inhernt problem we have 5 bosses that are ment to be tackled with a group (Toadstool,Fuelweaver,Beequeen,Dragonfly, and now Crab king) what is the major issue with don't starve together's raid bosses? Dfly and beequeen aren't bashed but Crab and Toad are despised why? Because they can be cleverly soloed with reatively little prep where as both Crab and Toad require Exhaustive search AND prep to fight The searching part is what makes them insufferable, barely anyone wants to sail, and boats are closterphobic at best and expesnsive crafts.
Initially, the fight was reasonable to solo, but then the gems got buffed to its current state. It made it from a reasonable fight to kind of a slugfest if solo without damage buffs, kinda like Toadstool. The freeze lock can also lead to a potential loss if the whole team gets frozen.
I don't see a problem with there being un-soloable bosses in the multiplayer installment of the franchise. Also he's not a raidboss so him being almost impossible to solo seems perfect for the ultramegatryhards.
@@spiritguide4901 Nah, I just said what I said cause the original comment said he was designed to be unsolable, although it was actually soloable for about the first week. I just wanted to say that that cause I'm wasn't sure what the original intent was for the boss based on the changes to it (from solo to group fight). :)
Ocean is so empty it hurts and klei's way of filling it up is adding more kinds of fish which in reality no one cares . I love how caves have so much content and even if you arent in the ruins(why you go to caves) it is generaly fun to explore but in the ocean it is always the same biome and that biome is boring then quarantine
i like the new fishes, they kinda give life to the ocean, and remember, the ocean is kinda a new mechanic, they don't wanna fuck it up so it's fair that they're adding small things to it in the updates.
I feel like the ocean is something that should've stayed in shipwrecked personally. I understand them wanting to make the world feel more traversable and open and what not, but I don't know that allowing us off the main island was the right way to go about doing that. Just my thoughts on the matter
what kills me the most is that they mastered this mechanic in shipwrecked by having different types of boats that were actually bearable to use and some had unique mechanics as well so it was actually fun to explore and build a base out in the ocean. also shipwreck's oceans felt much more alive with vibrant pastel colors to fit the tropical theme, different islands with unique biomes and set pieces out in the ocean to explore, much more interesting and abundant fauna and waves in deeper waters that would change direction everyday. DST's oceans just feel so bland with nothing but rock formations and dark baron waters with very little life in them and the entire thing being optional, while shipwreck's was a necessary mechanic that felt alive and fun to explore.
I would love if this boss forced players to take on roles in this boss fight. Like if the crab gave a longer warning of the geyser attack, people can designate a player to manning the steering wheel and steering away from the geyser attacks. And perhaps another role could go to fighting the tentacles, while another is actually hitting the boss. My dream for this boss is to have someone constantly sailing around it while others fend off attacks and damage the boss as a whole.
The crab king not having a basic attack is so very very strange, like it's so bewildering to watch people complete the fight without even needing armor because none of the attacks directly damage you.
I feel like a way for him to be found is once you get pearl's pearl she gives you a map to his location. I also think that his healing should come from structures he makes. Say green gems (the gems of building) increased the amount of stone pillars that need to be mined to stop him from healing with them and you would have to swim to get to them. I also think a good attack would be if he threw a couple crabs onto the boat that try to destroy you and have them deal the damage to you.
im glad theyve been working on a lot of the problems with this boss, finding him, dodging his attacks have both been improved with the boat speed increase and the clestial alter finder thing
I feel like Klei might be spreading themselves too thin. Between Don't Starve, Don't Starve Together, Oxygen Not Included, Hot Lava and Griftlands, it feels like they are starting to let things slip through the cracks. The Don't Starve base experience seems to have been abandoned, given the consistency of the bugs I've experienced in Adventure Mode; the lore for Don't Starve was going well, but for DST it feels like they are just shoving things in to give us more questions than answers. The Ancient Fuelweaver was the last time we had significant lore regarding how the world works. Then they started to dive in on the moon and the sea, and the original lore was almost forgotten, only kinda brought back up by Winona's short. The new bosses feel worthless, the loot is getting worse with every addition and the new characters are hit or miss, needing balancing and hotfixes and revamps and still not being enough. I think they lost the passion for it, and are just pumping things out because they need to keep interest up to bring home the bacon (I believe DST is their most popular game, but I may be wrong) through new players and selling skins, which I adore and if I had the money, I would buy them all, but still. I feel the game had a direction and a passion, but I don't feel that anymore. I don't feel excited for updates anymore, and it breaks my heart.
Forgot to mention the questionable decisions they have been making. Sailing sucks, and nothing has been done about it since forever. The inability to make an actual moving (instead of painfully crawling) base or increase the size of your boat frustrates me every time. Why they didn't use Shipwrecked's system is beyond me. These bosses that offer almost no rewards given how much of a pain they are to fight/find hinder the sense of progression in the game.
I agree with everything except the drops, enlightened crown its literally infinite sanity, damage and light source and the crab king trident could have some use by using it to destroy rocks while sailing to not crash
@@LunaWitcher I think they didn't use shipwrecked's system because they tried to design the game to be for multiple people, and people being on different boats seemed counter intuitive to their idea.
To be honest I think the biggest problem with this boss is that it's in the ocean. Barely any dodging or mobility, just hitting or switching weapons and if you slip up you're dead.
heres hoping the upcoming "Ocean QOL" they mentioned has something to do with fixing crab king... Its just a massive speed bump in the road to Celestial Champion and about 90% of the new content theyve been adding. If they want us to experience the new content, make getting to it not fucking miserable
Ok so I know these might sound a bit hard to execute or be straight up impossible to ever see get put into DST but I just wanted ta shoot the shit on ideas for the boss more casual style. Remember how in LOZ Wind Waker ya had those big octo fuckers that scare the shit outa ya when you where little? Well what if at the start of the crab king fight it spawned a whirlpool around it the constantly moved your ship in a big circle, and the crab king had his attacks changed to work in tandem with the pool, like spawning the claws in the path of your boat floating around the boss so you and your teammates have ta work together to both navigate the ship to avoid attacks and put consistent damage on the boss. Of course to go along with that I'd also say they should just add more stuff for the boats themselves, they feel way to sluggish and in the fight right now they act as nothing more than a second health bar for your character to manage rather than an interactive tool in the fight itself, maybe let us make different shapes of boats, smaller boats, bigger boats, upgrades for the boats, boats with different materials, maybe add some more tools like a mounted spear gun that you fire and reload like a ballista with actual spears for ammo, fuck sake please buff the malbatross sail it's not nearly good enough to be worth chasing, and maybe make boat patches slightly cheaper, maybe its just me but the boat feels like its paper thin, any time it slightly bumps inta anything it can spring a fatal leak that can cost you weeks of resources if you dont have one, so I go through these things like dimes and nickels at the end of the month. Lemme know if my ideas sound reasonable or not, in the end I just kinda want more out of the ocean, which is a good thing, if somethings good or you see promise in it like basically everything Klei makes, people want more of that thing so clearly they're doin something right here.
IA lot of people don't like boats... so when it comes to this fight we use a video of a character who is on a wooden platform with no way to physically be out there as a representation of the fight... when in reality you should be prepared with multiple boats... you know just on the off chance yours most likely goes down? Or have the best sails so you go faster and can evade attacks? Or have a team like the boat mechanics are designed for in a multiplayer game and could row out easier? This fight is comparable to the Ancient Fuelweaver in terms of there is a lot going on... with multiple people or tool use outside of the the ice staff it is easy... but you have to know the boats to do the boat boss, who'd have thought it? A mechanic designed for multiple people with a boss designed for multiple people. The problem with this fight people have... is they can't solo cheese it into a joke of a fight without using a tool. You could do that with most of the other bosses save for a few... most things can come down to kiting an enemy. The second kiting changes? People break, though I have too through similar things. Is it a bad boss or are the solo players making a mistake in a multiplayer game? To each their own... but the boss isn't the worst in DST. I'd almost say Toadstool is since you never seem to hear people fight them illegitimately or legitimately and you have literally no reason to fight them or their Misery version.
Completely agree, this boss wws clearly built to fight with more than one player. Most of these criticisms are kinda eh, and it doesn't help that there was 0 footage of multiplayer combat :/
The thing is, most people play this game solo and multiplayer, because the solo experience is ~better~ different than the Don't Starve base game. Most bosses have had ways to be fought that worked with both one and multiple players, the only difference being how quickly the boss is taken down, and maybe some down time while the boss changes aggro. Don't Starve Together also has an option to play offline, so they expect people to play alone as well. A boss requiring multiple players for the fight to be less frustrating or just not unfair feels like a slap in the face of those who play the game for the game, and not just for the shared experience.
I think most of the single player problems could be fixed by making a smaller, faster ship. This would fix a lot of the problems with playing alone (or with people that don't do or help with any sea content) as it would make it possible to kite to repair the ship or dodge attacks when you don't have other people to focus on that.
They should've made it so that Crab King appears to contest you for sunken treasure like in the trailer, like he's adding loot to his castle on his back, rather than just sitting in the middle of nowhere.
I think Klei made the Crab King with multiple people fighting it as once. But even then they kind of failed at that. Even though you could split the roles among teammates, that doesn't change how much focus has to be put into the fight.
Loads of valid points in this video! The only thing is about finding him. Pearl shouldn't be able to give you his location, she is also trying to reach out for him and since, for some reason, he decided to side with Them (if I remember correctly), I hardly believe that he is going to reach back out to Pearl (aka finding another bottle on the water with his hiding place). The best solution would probably be at the Lunar station, putting it together and then giving it Pearl's pearl and it would spit back out a paper with his location and the pearl. Story-wise it wouldn't make sense for either of these characters to know/tell the player where he is. But the video is really good and well put!
Yeah I do like the fact that you can build your own boats and place stuff on them, and of course you can travel with multiple players on a boat which makes sense for DST. But the movement of the boats is bad, it's very clunky and way too hard to control, it's just not enjoyable. I could see more casual players miss out on all of the ocean content just because the boat controls are so difficult. You basically need to dedicate an entire season if you struggle with them and want to get some ocean stuff done, I personally don't play around as much with the ocean content as I would want to because of this. In DS Shipwrecked Boats are great, you can essentially just move as if you were moving on land, in other words, they're really easy to steer and you can even kite bosses like the sealnado and tiger shark just like how you would on land, boat health and maintenance is also better in shipwrecked, there's no stupid mechanic where you need boat patches to fill up leaks because there's no thing such as leaks, you just need boat repair kits to heal your boat health which is a simpler and better mechanic in my opinion. Seriously, how am I always too lazy to write essays and stuff for school but I do this.
@@determineddaaf3 i understand what you mean but i feel they need to tweak the sailing and add other forms of ocean travel but lets be honest it could be way worse though i'll admit stopping for sea stacks every 10 seconds hurt's me
@@Dabajaws It definitely needs change, and you can't even get the rocks from the seastacks because they sink, they're basically just dumb barriers you have to very carefully clear out, if you're not careful about it you immediately have a hole in your boat. It's not a lot of fun. Other than that the ocean content is great, it's just behind a barrier, called the ocean.
I may be years late, but an Idea that just came into my mind to give the crab king another way to kill it would be making a pickaxe able to damage the crab king, like you're chipping away at it's crown. If that sounds like too much, maybe the pickaxe can be used to stop the crab king from healing like you're breaking the stones it's using to heal. That way you don't have to freeze the crab king to stop it from healing, when you can either damage it further or stop it healing entirely if you're quick enough. Gem debuffs should also exist, and here's a list of some: Green - Lowers max health Red - Lowers the speed of healing (total healing is the same, it's simply slower Blue - Much slower cast time Iridescent / Pearl - Downsides of all gems Obviously these are unpolished because I am just throwing out ideas, but in my opinion these are a few things that will make the fight more bearable or even enjoyable.
I don't wanna be that guy.... But I think the main point of crab king, is that you need teamwork And from the video, I didn't see you trying with teammates or anything similar... But also, absolutely agree with the fact the crab king should have an easier method of locating
I have an idea to make the boss better designed: - Reduce the range and duration of the freeze attack to a short freeze right next to him, as well as letting it give a little knockback towards the edges of the boat(so that stun locking isn’t possible) only letting him get a free hit on you at the most. - Change the crab claw attacks to target players instead of the boat with a similar kiting pattern to the snaptooths from hamlet, and only give them about 150 health at the maximum and deal about 40 health worth of damage without any modifiers, this also prevents large scale cheese with bees - Reduce the amount of geysers he spams, just placing a ring of about 10 around the edges of your boat instead of: “Instant death, say goodbye to your boat” - Change his healing attack so that instead he grabs any material drifting in the sea/ on your boat and stretches out several claws (about 7 at the maximum) to pull rocky outcrops towards him instead of him just healing himself unfairly, this mirrors the fuel weaver fight. If there are no materials or rocky outcrops nearby, he instead spawns a few “shell towers” (which never spawn under you) and breaks those into shell fragments which he drags to himself
Klei doesn't change bosses though, there's really no point in discussing this. The only times they've changed bosses are on Toadstool (he had over 100k hp and you had to kill him in under 5 minutes or he'd run away - it wasn't even possible with 6 players without bug abuse), Bee Queen - repeated minor changes around hp and honey trails, Ancient Fuelweaver - minor bone cage change, forced gunpowder change on all bosses. The only change that actually mattered out of all of those was Toadstool's - no one knows how he even got released into the game that broken - it actually didn't matter at all because he still doesn't drop anything useful. They don't care about optional bosses being useful at all, or veteran players. In fact - all of the sea faring content is worthless when talking about efficiency, there's no reason to head out to sea currently, everything is just a worse version of stuff that already exists on land, and takes forever to gather.
In my opinion, the ocean content is kinda worthless. What you get from it is just more ocean stuff, but that doesnt stop it from being fun. I get why people dislike it tho
Klei, all you need to do it make the crab king work like quacken where it spawns and attacks you based on whatever tf you do in the ocean, like make it where when you buy something from pearl with the bottles, it has a chance for spawning crab king and then pearl will hint towards it, just like how quacken works
Well i think the whole point of the boss is to fight it with more people, because multiple distinct threats need to be taken care of at once and indeed, in solo the only way to counter that is to use cc to be able to handle everything. If you had one person responsible for killing the tentacles and another to repair the ship or move it etc perhaps it would feel more of a group boss than a boss like deerclops where the boss simply attacks one player and you both attack him in between hits.
You know what’s stupid though? Klei added the ability to give 8 iridescent gems to crab king even though nobody would ever bother doing it. Why add such a powerful gem to the boss modifier if it makes the boss pointlessly impossible?
@@bruh_moment2730 He announced that the video will be out at a certain hour but we werent able to watch it yet, but we were able to leave a comment. And the malbatross is the other boss in the sea, it wasnt from this update. That big blue bird that allows you to craft a better sail.
He cheese's me, I cheese him back. Flingos on CK are my go to instead of ice staffs. I agree I mapped out 90% of my map as a goose to find CK and it was freaken painful. With the turn of tides update, Klei has more stuff to play around with. Over time "maybe" they'll add more stuff to the ocean just like how it took a hot minute to add the shoals for Malbatross. I dunno. Great video btw, I really enjoyed watching. It shows you have a lot of passion for DST.
I know I'm a bit late to the fights but as my experience was before the coming changes to crab king (something about an island now) but a bit after people realized the flinger is a good alternative to ice staff.. I actually felt the opposite with this. Fuelweaver took 100% of my focus while crab was just holding attack for most of it The flinger isn't a perfect solution since it seems to just prolong the healing window (crab just tries again and doesn't lose that attempt), and you can't really reposition if you're relying on dwarf star (lol pirate crashing into you and knocking you out of position 3 feet from moon quay is a fun way to lose the fight) but considering how much of a death sentence freeze and geyser casting is, it's nice to not worry about either of them even slightly. Fuelweaver feels worse because it feels like a fight against the way the hotbar works more than a fight against the mechanics themselves. It's hard to not feel frustrated to work around how much he spams the bone cage, while your items slowly shuffle into a complete sabotage and you have to pause (which feels cheesy too) to fix them. The drag-and-drop method of keeping things in their place is hard to learn comfortably, since it's counterintuitive clicky gameplay coming from classic MMOs If the consensus is that fuelweaver is vastly more rewarding, though, it's hard to complain. But I get it
My idea is that there should be a trail or cluster of lobster dens pointing in the direction its in And also i think it shouldhave a landmass that it will wake on to attack,eith a basic claw hit and a small dash to make up for its slow speed 1 attack would be throwing rocks at you,and if they miss they hit him dealing a small bit of damage and remove his frost attack with a possible minion summon that he can accidently kill And each gems should buff and nerf a stat,lioe blue increasing attack speed but reducing armor
Change the freezing attack into a Slow/Heavy Crab claw Guillotine, anchoring down towards the boat, Doing massive damage to the player, and quiet a bit on the boat. However, The crab's claw will get stuck when creating a hole in boat, allowing players to either Row away from it's attack Or sacrifice the boat's HP for Big damage.
I honestly hope there is a way to save the crab king in a future update with the celestial tribute. He doesn't seem to die at the end of the fight. His castle shell just breaks, and you see his body is fine. Plus, Pearl is so sad when you show her the cracked pearl, so a happier ending might be a good idea. Possibly by using the celestial tribute to shrink him when he reappears using iridescent gems. This would skip the fight altogether and let you bring him to pearl in a smaller form. Wickerbottom says that his size might be from moon mutation, so using moon gems might help turn him to normal.
it's a good thing klei added astral detectors to locate crab king, which can be obtained by going to the ruins to obtain a star caller staff and deconstruction staff, most likely killing ancient guardian in the process due to the unreliability of the ruins generation, successfully doing the moon caller event, deconstructing the moon caller staff to obtain the iridiscent gem, finding the blue mushtree forest, going to the ancient archive, socketing the iridiscent gem into one of the pedestals at the archive switch, going to the blue fountain of knowledge to obtain distilled knowledge, cracking the code at the archive orchestrina and crafting it with one thulecite and one moon rock, afterwards it will most likely just point to the buried altar pieces in the mainland which have to be unearthed until it points to crab king
tbf theres literally no reason to go after crab king until you want to activate the moonstorm, which is very lategame. this whole thing is annoying for speedplay i guess but a long todo list for, yknow, extremely endgame content, isnt exactly obscene
I couldn’t agree any more. I do think that adding a melee would help give the player more downtime, and even though cheese exists in bosses,this one is particularly spammy and not fun, as he can kill you quickly if you don’t have loads of patches or freezes. I think it would be cool if salt formations appeared more commonly near the crab king, making him easier to find.
I found the Crab King really easily. I was looking for the Moon Fragment Island and I just happened to come across it like 2 minutes after being in the ocean.
Probably gonna wait until they rework this to mess around with it. Sucks that the celestial drops are so good but there's so many hoops to jump through that aren't even fun to get there. I think this game's only gonna get bigger since it just got backed by Tencent and it's already pretty big in China. My guess is they'll push for better balance and progression to encourage longer servers so they can make more money on cosmetics. Been playing on an endless server and it's cool to be a newbie checking out massive bases and have the 3000 day survivors roll through with celestial crowns and endgame shit like it's a mini WoW server. Kinda random but love the b-roll footage you use, like at 12:08 in the oasis and when you're on the dock you made. I like this style of video; really well thought out, covers everything that new and returning players want in depth when they're probably coming back finally for some new content, great production value, funny, etc. Glad there's a new Don't Starve youtuber, keep it up!
While I don't love searching for crab king, using Perl's perl to find him makes no sense (from a story perspective). She doesn't know where he is which is why she sends out bottles.
Okay so I feel like there's a very simple fix for this boss: Add boat cannons. Then, the main strategy could be something like this: One player is a dedicated navigator, maneuvering the boat in and out of the king's attacks. The other players man the cannons or use other ranged weapons to attack the boss, repair the boat, etc. This would give the fight a much more "nautical" feel than it has currently. As is, navigating the boat in and out of melee is very janky, since you'd always be at risk of bumping into the boss and probably only being able to get a few swipes in before you need to 180 out of range. Plus, the current options for ranged weapons are so limited. Boat cannons would be perfect.
I think bosses where there are multiple ways to beat them are the best. I dream of the day where there isn't one go to way of dealing with some boss. Awsome video btw. I heard you read all your comments so I just want you to know that I really appreciate all the time you clearly put into many of the aspects of your videos. Love from Denmark.
I think the reason why characters 'decide to murder Pearl's ex' is because they give him the pearl Pearl gave them and then he goes crazy and starts attacking them. That's why when Pearl receives the now cracked pearl back she says, 'Oh, I see now' or something like this, because she understands he is not a human anymore (or an anthropomorphic crab I guess). Perhaps
I didn't talk about the bee strat in the video intentionally because it seems like something that would get patched out, as it just feels like a minor oversight. They haven't fixed it yet though which is... slightly worrying.
I really like the crab king, but it does have down sides that need fixing; the perma freeze is just really bad and shouden't be a thing, in any possible way, dosen't matter if it's an enemy or boss, shouden't be a thing. Maybe it could be changed so the crab king will swipe at the player if he succesfully freezes the player, it whould be an free hit on his part and freeing the player on there's. He could also possible heal himself once before freeing the player as previously mentioned. the bubble attack is a bit too big, which makes it really hard to dodge, and only really leaves the freeze cheese strategy. I'd say maybe make the bubble's more spread out, like instead of one big cluster, there could be a couple of smaller clusters of bubbles which will be more defensive and closer to the crab king himself. The build your own boss concept is really cool, and has a lot of possibilities, i think the diffrent gems could have some more effects, aside from just buffing the boss, for example, maybe if you insert 5 or more blue gems, an ice sheet whould form around the crab king which the player could stand on and fight the boss that way, ofcourse this is just an simple idea, but this could be expanded on in soo many ways! Either way, i still like the crab king, he's just too cute for me to hste him!
Man this reminds me of when mot in SMT3 could just decide that you don't get to go and he has infinite turns cuz he has no limit on casting beast eye which gives him 2 extra turns. Pair that with almighty damage and that boss is just based on luck. I think there is a strategy that works but it's also partially based on luck. I didn't know people still made that mistake in recent times.
The only time i reccomend using blue gems for crab king easily with sea sprouts cause you start it with bees until he freezes the bare inner sea weeds and piss off every sea weed on the outside sea stacks so crab king can be farmed more consisitantly without being a resource sink while having rapid fire dark sword damage
What about broken/opened pearl bottles being washed away to the land with scribbles in them that characters struggle to read, but given to pearl that would result in some lines of dialoge and crab king`s location? i think this sounds good
do you think is cheesing stacking 2 rounds of 40 gunpowder on the Fuelweaver? Is the only way that I've found and I only have to kill the hands and the spawns once. In the other hand you can kill the Crabking using warrior bees or the normal ones in spring and it seems a lot more easier like you "suggest" in the beggining of the video
I don't wanna completely agree with what you've said so far, as I've yet to fight Crab King myself and how fun a boss is, is very subjective, but you've have made a very sound argument as why this boss is not very good or maybe even the worst. Once I FINALLY find this guy and thrash down with him myself, I could see myself feeling the same way you feel.
GOOD ENDİNG: Crab king's pearl gets Broken. But doesnt matter. He is still alive. BAD ENDİNG: Crab king dies. NEUTRAL ENDİNG: Player doesnt fights Crab king. RAVE ENDİNG: Crab king joins to crab rave.
@@haurenos Tbh I can try to do it on my own, but I will need to be more careful because of being solo, if someone feels like joining onto the *test*, let me know or something
Ok so I havent fought Crab King yet, but have an idea. What if instead of having to keep fixing boats, what if at the start, stone pillars rise and slowly heal back up, and you have to hop onto different pillars and dodge his attacks
You forgot iridescent gems, which basically increase all the bosses states by a factor of 3x (I am almost completely sure but it might be more) per gem. This is the masochistic version of the boss fight .
on top of having a semi reliable way to finding the volcano, sailing in shipwrecked is just fun. you're constantly sailing around at a fast speed, dodging or using the waves as a means to accelerate yourself even further, you're always doing something on the water. in DST, all you really do in the sea is wait. you put your sails up and occasionally change their direction depending on where you wanna go, not to mention it's SLOW as FUCK. i love the idea that you can build a moving base on a ship, but if it comes at the cost of the ship being this boring to use, i'd rather have shipwrecked ships in the game. not to mention, shipwrecked let you build bases in the sea anyway. what happened to those?
The Crab King honestly feels like a Monster Hunter fight. Now this is gonna make little sense, but what I mean is that this is a boss where unless you're a total badass with a lot of patience and resources, the only real way to take this fight on is with a team where you can divide up roles between each other. A person to steer, a person to do melee damage, a person to do ranged damage, a healer, I watch videos of people taking this bastard down in a group and I get fucking war flashbacks to MHGU. I honestly believe Carb King is Klei's Kulve Taroth where its basically them more or less telling you to assemble a team if you want to fight this thing and _not_ rip your hair out. And in a game where the base game combat is pretty simple, you don't want to fucking make a boss like that.
it has a lot of utilities, but people only bother using it for bosses because they only care about speedrunning to celestial champion and afterwards abandoning the world
You know... ... I don't think I really like any of the boat stuff in recent DST. It's all so slow and has way too much down time, the ocean is not as interesting as it could be and the amount of time and effort it takes to make a boat is just too much work with too little payoff. Even if I wanted to do some other activities like fishing, survival is a priority and never am I at that point in the game where I have enough food to feel safe enough to go fishing for a few days (I guess this is on me). I wish I wasn't so burnt out on DST.
I haven't touched RoT being honest. The boat mechanics look awful and that alone has dissuaded me. If they added SW style boat mechanics in addition to the DST boats I'd be more willing to try it out, I'm just not interested in expending hours preparing a boat to have it immediately sunk because of bad controls. Honestly this boss would be more interesting with SW boats tbh.
I have a challenge for anyone who wants to suffer Beat the crab king without an ice staff, and insert the following gems: pearls pearl, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem. Good luck
Many people are pointing out that this boss is designed as a team effort kind of boss. Even with a group there are still problems with it though 1) the geyser attack is too fast for even a designated rower to row away from (also who wants to be that guy anyway?) 2) Freeze attack is still GG if he spams it 3) the healing "attack" is very poorly designed and should just be straight removed, if not made much easier to cancel.
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"Ice staff is the only way to reliably kill him? Got it"
Patch notes:
Crab king now is immune to being frozen
Really?
I did frozen him yesterday.
@@flamboyant_wolf twas a joke
@@el_buro sorry, i'm dumb.
@@flamboyant_wolf relatable
You should put this on the forums, I’m sure Klei would be open and would love to hear your ideas!
Feesh it’s a joke and all but I hear the community is friendly. Sometimes.
The community is surprising pretty clean compared to other game's community's
Did so a while ago at the time of writing.
Response has been pretty good from community members.
No idea about Klei themselves, although they supposedly read every forums post, so you never know.
Klei just loves adding random, useless shit instead of actually fixing the mistakes they make. Fucking leafs.
@@k2ggers961 What mistakes? The game is super clean. The crab king is behaving like it was intented to. It is not flawed at least In Klei's eyes. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the world dosent revolve around you. And that just because you fucking suck at a game that doesn't mean that the game is inherently flawed but that your sense of what is good and bad is inherently flawed. Maybe Klei doesn't fucking care about what you say because your viewpoint is obviously not in the right place. The crab king was not designed to be an easy boss infact the exact opposite and if there way of implementing challenge is making the boss slow and tedious, than so fucking be it. It doesn't matter in the end because the boss ends up being challenging any way so be it a different type of challenge a challenge nontheless.
One way I think that would encourage creativity, and would make a player choose a different strategy than someone else depending on their playstyle would be to MAKE THE GEMS HAVE DOWNSIDES FOR THE DAMN BOSS!!! Why do the gems only buff him?? Think characters, all characters have their pros, BUT they all have some form of con (although I feel that Klei has been slacking on character cons lately, but that's another story). If the gems buff him on one aspect, it should totally debuff another, I mean c'mon, that'd fix THAT issue for sure. PLEASE KLEI!!!
That could be really interesting actually. A lot more material for players to abuse but could still be in interesting mechanic.
What downsides would you suggest? To me downsides would only make the boss easier.
@@LEGnewTube Well, for example, blue gems could give him a weakness to fire, red gems could make him easier to freeze, puple gems could make him more affected by glass cutters (or less affect the durability of them, like with shadows), etc. This would encourage different techniques and make the boss less repetitive everytime you fight him. But to make him less repetitive while in the fight maybe he could have phases, like Klaus and Toadstool for example.
@@etienne275 but the only gem with no downsides should iradesent gen because this only poeple wanting a challenge
I only have one word tho say...
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Nice vid, Freddo. Here's my thoughts.
I think the reason the ice staff "feels" cheesy is because we have never yet needed them for a boss fight. It's a shame considering how amazing it is a weapon and how quickly we accumulate blue gems in this game. But I don't think that makes it inherently cheap or cheesy to have to use it to cancel an attack. We have relied on strategies that use a pan flute to continually put bosses like Dfly and Toadstool to sleep but don't generally consider that "cheese," even though it takes one toot versus six swings of an ice staff. You still need to time the cast accurately in order to sneak in six swings before the geysers get summoned and that takes a fair deal of coordination.
The freeze and geyser attack can both end the fight quickly, agreed. I actually like that aspect of this fight considering both give you plenty of time to react. It's interesting to hear other players take issue with a less forgiving boss which to me is much more akin to bosses in other roguelike games.
I do strongly agree however that CK should be a bit more easy to find. And if the celestial tribute is going to be a more important item in future updates then I pray that they will not subject us to mapping out the entire ocean just to make progress.
Hey it just hit me
What if you were to use a team of 6 Wendy's
If he can't deal damage to bees what will a team of 6 Abigail's do?
All in all it's personal preference, so agree to disagree I suppose. Was good to hear your thoughts on the matter.
I believe this mostly stems from the fact that the boat mechanics are slow, imprecise, and expensive.
Other raid bosses like D fly and Misery toad have highly destructive and powerful attacks, but at least they at least let you have your full range of movement, can’t Ohko you and are actually dodgable, with klei mostly let their players have fun cheesing their bosses and infinitely stunlocking them with pan pipes and ice flingos.
Crab king was buffed to remove the dominant strategy, basically telling us that Klei doesn’t want us doing this. And the worst part is that bees do a better job of killing it than you do.
one problem is that unlike the other bosses, this one has a much bigger necessity on that strategy. Unlike toad stool and dragon fly where it's mostly to dodge main attacks, all of crab kings attacks require that specific tool. Also I feel that the ice staff was more of an escape plan than anything but that's just me, as Well as this comment.
@@darienlizama7449 Which tool? The ice staff? Seems to me that other raid bosses are just as demanding of specific resources for legit soloing. FW needs Lazy explorers and usually weather pains, Dragonfly requires a pan flute to de-enrage, Ancient Guardian requires speed modifiers to dodge effectively. I have no qualms with the ice staff being an essential tool for this fight because it's cheap to craft and never gets utilized enough considering its potential.
Just stopped in to say that thumbnail looks like it says "Ban Ross"
I saw BAD ROSS at first.
Seems like it was designed to not be soloable. The fight is perfectly manageable with more than one player. Have one person doing damage while the other keeps the boat good or is ready to throw down a new one. Add more and it gets even easier. The freeze stun lock is a problem though.
And there is the inhernt problem
we have 5 bosses that are ment to be tackled with a group (Toadstool,Fuelweaver,Beequeen,Dragonfly, and now Crab king)
what is the major issue with don't starve together's raid bosses? Dfly and beequeen aren't bashed but Crab and Toad are despised why?
Because they can be cleverly soloed with reatively little prep where as both Crab and Toad require Exhaustive search AND prep to fight The searching part is what makes them insufferable, barely anyone wants to sail, and boats are closterphobic at best and expesnsive crafts.
Initially, the fight was reasonable to solo, but then the gems got buffed to its current state. It made it from a reasonable fight to kind of a slugfest if solo without damage buffs, kinda like Toadstool. The freeze lock can also lead to a potential loss if the whole team gets frozen.
I don't see a problem with there being un-soloable bosses in the multiplayer installment of the franchise. Also he's not a raidboss so him being almost impossible to solo seems perfect for the ultramegatryhards.
@@spiritguide4901 Nah, I just said what I said cause the original comment said he was designed to be unsolable, although it was actually soloable for about the first week. I just wanted to say that that cause I'm wasn't sure what the original intent was for the boss based on the changes to it (from solo to group fight). :)
@@spiritguide4901 but it's not just multiplayer its also got a lot more content and a final boss
Bad boss, bad boss, what you gonna do?
What you gonna do when it comes for you?
Spawn in one teensy tiny pan flute and a mountain of gunpowder
Jk I actually just use dark swords and pierogi with armor
You! I like you!
Meme miss gabriela
Ocean is so empty it hurts and klei's way of filling it up is adding more kinds of fish which in reality no one cares . I love how caves have so much content and even if you arent in the ruins(why you go to caves) it is generaly fun to explore but in the ocean it is always the same biome and that biome is boring then quarantine
i like the new fishes, they kinda give life to the ocean, and remember, the ocean is kinda a new mechanic, they don't wanna fuck it up so it's fair that they're adding small things to it in the updates.
I feel like the ocean is something that should've stayed in shipwrecked personally. I understand them wanting to make the world feel more traversable and open and what not, but I don't know that allowing us off the main island was the right way to go about doing that. Just my thoughts on the matter
what kills me the most is that they mastered this mechanic in shipwrecked by having different types of boats that were actually bearable to use and some had unique mechanics as well so it was actually fun to explore and build a base out in the ocean. also shipwreck's oceans felt much more alive with vibrant pastel colors to fit the tropical theme, different islands with unique biomes and set pieces out in the ocean to explore, much more interesting and abundant fauna and waves in deeper waters that would change direction everyday. DST's oceans just feel so bland with nothing but rock formations and dark baron waters with very little life in them and the entire thing being optional, while shipwreck's was a necessary mechanic that felt alive and fun to explore.
@@tkoryam1865 My thoughts exactly
I would love if this boss forced players to take on roles in this boss fight. Like if the crab gave a longer warning of the geyser attack, people can designate a player to manning the steering wheel and steering away from the geyser attacks. And perhaps another role could go to fighting the tentacles, while another is actually hitting the boss. My dream for this boss is to have someone constantly sailing around it while others fend off attacks and damage the boss as a whole.
TheChallenger734 I mean, it is called don’t starve together. Emphasis on the together. But I see your point. A man can dream of a role theme boss.
I agree and I STRONGLY believe this is what Klei envisioned for the crab KING, apes TOGETHER stronk!!!
@@pattyb7644 if they do make one it should be optional for progress while giving some qol thing not something actually super strong
The crab king not having a basic attack is so very very strange, like it's so bewildering to watch people complete the fight without even needing armor because none of the attacks directly damage you.
I feel like a way for him to be found is once you get pearl's pearl she gives you a map to his location. I also think that his healing should come from structures he makes. Say green gems (the gems of building) increased the amount of stone pillars that need to be mined to stop him from healing with them and you would have to swim to get to them. I also think a good attack would be if he threw a couple crabs onto the boat that try to destroy you and have them deal the damage to you.
Lol, i never even knew it was possible to find the volcano in shipwreck
1:16 Good news, the astral detector, introduced in the Forgotten Knowledge update, will locate the Crab King due to the moon rock idol he holds.
im glad theyve been working on a lot of the problems with this boss, finding him, dodging his attacks have both been improved with the boat speed increase and the clestial alter finder thing
I feel like Klei might be spreading themselves too thin. Between Don't Starve, Don't Starve Together, Oxygen Not Included, Hot Lava and Griftlands, it feels like they are starting to let things slip through the cracks.
The Don't Starve base experience seems to have been abandoned, given the consistency of the bugs I've experienced in Adventure Mode; the lore for Don't Starve was going well, but for DST it feels like they are just shoving things in to give us more questions than answers. The Ancient Fuelweaver was the last time we had significant lore regarding how the world works. Then they started to dive in on the moon and the sea, and the original lore was almost forgotten, only kinda brought back up by Winona's short. The new bosses feel worthless, the loot is getting worse with every addition and the new characters are hit or miss, needing balancing and hotfixes and revamps and still not being enough. I think they lost the passion for it, and are just pumping things out because they need to keep interest up to bring home the bacon (I believe DST is their most popular game, but I may be wrong) through new players and selling skins, which I adore and if I had the money, I would buy them all, but still.
I feel the game had a direction and a passion, but I don't feel that anymore. I don't feel excited for updates anymore, and it breaks my heart.
Forgot to mention the questionable decisions they have been making. Sailing sucks, and nothing has been done about it since forever. The inability to make an actual moving (instead of painfully crawling) base or increase the size of your boat frustrates me every time. Why they didn't use Shipwrecked's system is beyond me. These bosses that offer almost no rewards given how much of a pain they are to fight/find hinder the sense of progression in the game.
I agree with everything except the drops, enlightened crown its literally infinite sanity, damage and light source and the crab king trident could have some use by using it to destroy rocks while sailing to not crash
@@LunaWitcher I think they didn't use shipwrecked's system because they tried to design the game to be for multiple people, and people being on different boats seemed counter intuitive to their idea.
@@Entity69 Remember, at the time of the original comment the Enlightened Crown didn't exist, nor did CC.
To be honest I think the biggest problem with this boss is that it's in the ocean.
Barely any dodging or mobility, just hitting or switching weapons and if you
slip up you're dead.
it's either freeze cheese or bees cheese.
One more and there'd be threes cheese.
And both freeze cheese and bees cheese hardly make the boss a breeze? Jeez, that makes me wheeze.
@@ghostyface5094 those rhymes made my knees cease functioning with ease
3 years later it still is insufferable
heres hoping the upcoming "Ocean QOL" they mentioned has something to do with fixing crab king... Its just a massive speed bump in the road to Celestial Champion and about 90% of the new content theyve been adding. If they want us to experience the new content, make getting to it not fucking miserable
Ok so I know these might sound a bit hard to execute or be straight up impossible to ever see get put into DST but I just wanted ta shoot the shit on ideas for the boss more casual style.
Remember how in LOZ Wind Waker ya had those big octo fuckers that scare the shit outa ya when you where little? Well what if at the start of the crab king fight it spawned a whirlpool around it the constantly moved your ship in a big circle, and the crab king had his attacks changed to work in tandem with the pool, like spawning the claws in the path of your boat floating around the boss so you and your teammates have ta work together to both navigate the ship to avoid attacks and put consistent damage on the boss.
Of course to go along with that I'd also say they should just add more stuff for the boats themselves, they feel way to sluggish and in the fight right now they act as nothing more than a second health bar for your character to manage rather than an interactive tool in the fight itself, maybe let us make different shapes of boats, smaller boats, bigger boats, upgrades for the boats, boats with different materials, maybe add some more tools like a mounted spear gun that you fire and reload like a ballista with actual spears for ammo, fuck sake please buff the malbatross sail it's not nearly good enough to be worth chasing, and maybe make boat patches slightly cheaper, maybe its just me but the boat feels like its paper thin, any time it slightly bumps inta anything it can spring a fatal leak that can cost you weeks of resources if you dont have one, so I go through these things like dimes and nickels at the end of the month.
Lemme know if my ideas sound reasonable or not, in the end I just kinda want more out of the ocean, which is a good thing, if somethings good or you see promise in it like basically everything Klei makes, people want more of that thing so clearly they're doin something right here.
Pearl's pearl could act like the thul medalion which shows the location of the ancint key and can be used to locate the guardian
IA lot of people don't like boats... so when it comes to this fight we use a video of a character who is on a wooden platform with no way to physically be out there as a representation of the fight... when in reality you should be prepared with multiple boats... you know just on the off chance yours most likely goes down? Or have the best sails so you go faster and can evade attacks? Or have a team like the boat mechanics are designed for in a multiplayer game and could row out easier?
This fight is comparable to the Ancient Fuelweaver in terms of there is a lot going on... with multiple people or tool use outside of the the ice staff it is easy... but you have to know the boats to do the boat boss, who'd have thought it? A mechanic designed for multiple people with a boss designed for multiple people.
The problem with this fight people have... is they can't solo cheese it into a joke of a fight without using a tool. You could do that with most of the other bosses save for a few... most things can come down to kiting an enemy. The second kiting changes? People break, though I have too through similar things. Is it a bad boss or are the solo players making a mistake in a multiplayer game?
To each their own... but the boss isn't the worst in DST. I'd almost say Toadstool is since you never seem to hear people fight them illegitimately or legitimately and you have literally no reason to fight them or their Misery version.
Completely agree, this boss wws clearly built to fight with more than one player. Most of these criticisms are kinda eh, and it doesn't help that there was 0 footage of multiplayer combat :/
The thing is, most people play this game solo and multiplayer, because the solo experience is ~better~ different than the Don't Starve base game. Most bosses have had ways to be fought that worked with both one and multiple players, the only difference being how quickly the boss is taken down, and maybe some down time while the boss changes aggro. Don't Starve Together also has an option to play offline, so they expect people to play alone as well.
A boss requiring multiple players for the fight to be less frustrating or just not unfair feels like a slap in the face of those who play the game for the game, and not just for the shared experience.
I think most of the single player problems could be fixed by making a smaller, faster ship. This would fix a lot of the problems with playing alone (or with people that don't do or help with any sea content) as it would make it possible to kite to repair the ship or dodge attacks when you don't have other people to focus on that.
They should've made it so that Crab King appears to contest you for sunken treasure like in the trailer, like he's adding loot to his castle on his back, rather than just sitting in the middle of nowhere.
They probably want more co-op gameplay since its don't starve "together"
I think Klei made the Crab King with multiple people fighting it as once. But even then they kind of failed at that. Even though you could split the roles among teammates, that doesn't change how much focus has to be put into the fight.
Loads of valid points in this video! The only thing is about finding him. Pearl shouldn't be able to give you his location, she is also trying to reach out for him and since, for some reason, he decided to side with Them (if I remember correctly), I hardly believe that he is going to reach back out to Pearl (aka finding another bottle on the water with his hiding place).
The best solution would probably be at the Lunar station, putting it together and then giving it Pearl's pearl and it would spit back out a paper with his location and the pearl. Story-wise it wouldn't make sense for either of these characters to know/tell the player where he is.
But the video is really good and well put!
I wonder what his thoughts are now on the newest update of Carb King.
working on a video about it, i'll finish it once the update comes out of beta
@@FreddoFilms I look forward to the video. Notification are turned on.
Great video, man. I was starting to believe I was the only one that hated this new boss until this appeared in my recommended.
The ocean mechanics being so weak feels weird considering i liked them in shipwrecked.
Yeah I do like the fact that you can build your own boats and place stuff on them, and of course you can travel with multiple players on a boat which makes sense for DST. But the movement of the boats is bad, it's very clunky and way too hard to control, it's just not enjoyable. I could see more casual players miss out on all of the ocean content just because the boat controls are so difficult. You basically need to dedicate an entire season if you struggle with them and want to get some ocean stuff done, I personally don't play around as much with the ocean content as I would want to because of this. In DS Shipwrecked Boats are great, you can essentially just move as if you were moving on land, in other words, they're really easy to steer and you can even kite bosses like the sealnado and tiger shark just like how you would on land, boat health and maintenance is also better in shipwrecked, there's no stupid mechanic where you need boat patches to fill up leaks because there's no thing such as leaks, you just need boat repair kits to heal your boat health which is a simpler and better mechanic in my opinion.
Seriously, how am I always too lazy to write essays and stuff for school but I do this.
@@determineddaaf3 i understand what you mean but i feel they need to tweak the sailing and add other forms of ocean travel but lets be honest it could be way worse though i'll admit stopping for sea stacks every 10 seconds hurt's me
@@Dabajaws It definitely needs change, and you can't even get the rocks from the seastacks because they sink, they're basically just dumb barriers you have to very carefully clear out, if you're not careful about it you immediately have a hole in your boat. It's not a lot of fun. Other than that the ocean content is great, it's just behind a barrier, called the ocean.
I may be years late, but an Idea that just came into my mind to give the crab king another way to kill it would be making a pickaxe able to damage the crab king, like you're chipping away at it's crown.
If that sounds like too much, maybe the pickaxe can be used to stop the crab king from healing like you're breaking the stones it's using to heal.
That way you don't have to freeze the crab king to stop it from healing, when you can either damage it further or stop it healing entirely if you're quick enough.
Gem debuffs should also exist, and here's a list of some:
Green - Lowers max health
Red - Lowers the speed of healing (total healing is the same, it's simply slower
Blue - Much slower cast time
Iridescent / Pearl - Downsides of all gems
Obviously these are unpolished because I am just throwing out ideas, but in my opinion these are a few things that will make the fight more bearable or even enjoyable.
I don't wanna be that guy....
But I think the main point of crab king, is that you need teamwork
And from the video, I didn't see you trying with teammates or anything similar...
But also, absolutely agree with the fact the crab king should have an easier method of locating
Imagine having friend
I have an idea to make the boss better designed:
- Reduce the range and duration of the freeze attack to a short freeze right next to him, as well as letting it give a little knockback towards the edges of the boat(so that stun locking isn’t possible) only letting him get a free hit on you at the most.
- Change the crab claw attacks to target players instead of the boat with a similar kiting pattern to the snaptooths from hamlet, and only give them about 150 health at the maximum and deal about 40 health worth of damage without any modifiers, this also prevents large scale cheese with bees
- Reduce the amount of geysers he spams, just placing a ring of about 10 around the edges of your boat instead of: “Instant death, say goodbye to your boat”
- Change his healing attack so that instead he grabs any material drifting in the sea/ on your boat and stretches out several claws (about 7 at the maximum) to pull rocky outcrops towards him instead of him just healing himself unfairly, this mirrors the fuel weaver fight. If there are no materials or rocky outcrops nearby, he instead spawns a few “shell towers” (which never spawn under you) and breaks those into shell fragments which he drags to himself
Klei doesn't change bosses though, there's really no point in discussing this. The only times they've changed bosses are on Toadstool (he had over 100k hp and you had to kill him in under 5 minutes or he'd run away - it wasn't even possible with 6 players without bug abuse), Bee Queen - repeated minor changes around hp and honey trails, Ancient Fuelweaver - minor bone cage change, forced gunpowder change on all bosses. The only change that actually mattered out of all of those was Toadstool's - no one knows how he even got released into the game that broken - it actually didn't matter at all because he still doesn't drop anything useful. They don't care about optional bosses being useful at all, or veteran players.
In fact - all of the sea faring content is worthless when talking about efficiency, there's no reason to head out to sea currently, everything is just a worse version of stuff that already exists on land, and takes forever to gather.
In my opinion, the ocean content is kinda worthless. What you get from it is just more ocean stuff, but that doesnt stop it from being fun. I get why people dislike it tho
Klei, all you need to do it make the crab king work like quacken where it spawns and attacks you based on whatever tf you do in the ocean, like make it where when you buy something from pearl with the bottles, it has a chance for spawning crab king and then pearl will hint towards it, just like how quacken works
Even now that they added a way to find him it literatly takes more time to get the thing to find him than it would to find him
After 3 years they finally wanted to change the boss fight for real!
I guess the video finally got watched by klei team xD
Well i think the whole point of the boss is to fight it with more people, because multiple distinct threats need to be taken care of at once and indeed, in solo the only way to counter that is to use cc to be able to handle everything. If you had one person responsible for killing the tentacles and another to repair the ship or move it etc perhaps it would feel more of a group boss than a boss like deerclops where the boss simply attacks one player and you both attack him in between hits.
You know what’s stupid though? Klei added the ability to give 8 iridescent gems to crab king even though nobody would ever bother doing it. Why add such a powerful gem to the boss modifier if it makes the boss pointlessly impossible?
I can't wait! I love the idea of new bosses but honestly I just don't care about the crab and the malbatross
how did you comment 15 hours ago video is on for 5 hours and what malbatross
@@bruh_moment2730 He announced that the video will be out at a certain hour but we werent able to watch it yet, but we were able to leave a comment.
And the malbatross is the other boss in the sea, it wasnt from this update. That big blue bird that allows you to craft a better sail.
And that's why I never did a legitimate crab king fight. I just can't be bothered to suffer this much.
I DID NOT EXPECT TO *EVER* HEAR YOU SAY "jack off"! YOU JUST MADE MY DAY XD!
He cheese's me, I cheese him back. Flingos on CK are my go to instead of ice staffs. I agree I mapped out 90% of my map as a goose to find CK and it was freaken painful. With the turn of tides update, Klei has more stuff to play around with. Over time "maybe" they'll add more stuff to the ocean just like how it took a hot minute to add the shoals for Malbatross. I dunno. Great video btw, I really enjoyed watching. It shows you have a lot of passion for DST.
I know I'm a bit late to the fights but as my experience was before the coming changes to crab king (something about an island now) but a bit after people realized the flinger is a good alternative to ice staff.. I actually felt the opposite with this. Fuelweaver took 100% of my focus while crab was just holding attack for most of it
The flinger isn't a perfect solution since it seems to just prolong the healing window (crab just tries again and doesn't lose that attempt), and you can't really reposition if you're relying on dwarf star (lol pirate crashing into you and knocking you out of position 3 feet from moon quay is a fun way to lose the fight) but considering how much of a death sentence freeze and geyser casting is, it's nice to not worry about either of them even slightly.
Fuelweaver feels worse because it feels like a fight against the way the hotbar works more than a fight against the mechanics themselves. It's hard to not feel frustrated to work around how much he spams the bone cage, while your items slowly shuffle into a complete sabotage and you have to pause (which feels cheesy too) to fix them. The drag-and-drop method of keeping things in their place is hard to learn comfortably, since it's counterintuitive clicky gameplay coming from classic MMOs
If the consensus is that fuelweaver is vastly more rewarding, though, it's hard to complain. But I get it
My idea is that there should be a trail or cluster of lobster dens pointing in the direction its in
And also i think it shouldhave a landmass that it will wake on to attack,eith a basic claw hit and a small dash to make up for its slow speed
1 attack would be throwing rocks at you,and if they miss they hit him dealing a small bit of damage and remove his frost attack with a possible minion summon that he can accidently kill
And each gems should buff and nerf a stat,lioe blue increasing attack speed but reducing armor
The use of the TEiN ost earned you a like.
Change the freezing attack into a Slow/Heavy Crab claw Guillotine, anchoring down towards the boat, Doing massive damage to the player, and quiet a bit on the boat.
However, The crab's claw will get stuck when creating a hole in boat, allowing players to either Row away from it's attack Or sacrifice the boat's HP for Big damage.
the best way to find crabking is to be a ghost and take a screenshot of the map then :D (if on endless, or not solo in survival)
can't you get into a snurtle shell armor to avoid being freezed?
Snurtle shell gives dr, not freeze immunity. You need a heat source to avoid getting frozen
@@skinnykruemel preferably a dwarf star
I tested it out and it didn't work. Such a shame, considering it stops deerclops and ice hounds from freezing you.
random fact: beating pearl's pearl crab king will give you broken pearl's pearl which you can give to pearl for some extra dialogue
I honestly hope there is a way to save the crab king in a future update with the celestial tribute. He doesn't seem to die at the end of the fight. His castle shell just breaks, and you see his body is fine. Plus, Pearl is so sad when you show her the cracked pearl, so a happier ending might be a good idea. Possibly by using the celestial tribute to shrink him when he reappears using iridescent gems. This would skip the fight altogether and let you bring him to pearl in a smaller form. Wickerbottom says that his size might be from moon mutation, so using moon gems might help turn him to normal.
it's a good thing klei added astral detectors to locate crab king,
which can be obtained by going to the ruins to obtain a star caller staff and deconstruction staff, most likely killing ancient guardian in the process due to the unreliability of the ruins generation, successfully doing the moon caller event, deconstructing the moon caller staff to obtain the iridiscent gem, finding the blue mushtree forest, going to the ancient archive, socketing the iridiscent gem into one of the pedestals at the archive switch, going to the blue fountain of knowledge to obtain distilled knowledge, cracking the code at the archive orchestrina and crafting it with one thulecite and one moon rock, afterwards it will most likely just point to the buried altar pieces in the mainland which have to be unearthed until it points to crab king
tbf theres literally no reason to go after crab king until you want to activate the moonstorm, which is very lategame. this whole thing is annoying for speedplay i guess but a long todo list for, yknow, extremely endgame content, isnt exactly obscene
Why would you do crab king without having the ither alters?
Welp.
I just read the description and I do have to honestly agree.
Are you feeling it now, Mr. Krabs!?
I couldn’t agree any more. I do think that adding a melee would help give the player more downtime, and even though cheese exists in bosses,this one is particularly spammy and not fun, as he can kill you quickly if you don’t have loads of patches or freezes. I think it would be cool if salt formations appeared more commonly near the crab king, making him easier to find.
I found the Crab King really easily. I was looking for the Moon Fragment Island and I just happened to come across it like 2 minutes after being in the ocean.
agreed thought we need a way to find the bosses faster maybe add some type of teir 1 boss tracker magic device to help us seek the more annoying ones
Nice, I heard some music from The End is Nigh.
Nice use of The end is nigh music!
Probably gonna wait until they rework this to mess around with it. Sucks that the celestial drops are so good but there's so many hoops to jump through that aren't even fun to get there. I think this game's only gonna get bigger since it just got backed by Tencent and it's already pretty big in China. My guess is they'll push for better balance and progression to encourage longer servers so they can make more money on cosmetics. Been playing on an endless server and it's cool to be a newbie checking out massive bases and have the 3000 day survivors roll through with celestial crowns and endgame shit like it's a mini WoW server.
Kinda random but love the b-roll footage you use, like at 12:08 in the oasis and when you're on the dock you made. I like this style of video; really well thought out, covers everything that new and returning players want in depth when they're probably coming back finally for some new content, great production value, funny, etc. Glad there's a new Don't Starve youtuber, keep it up!
I love your music choice in this video. Minecraft isn’t it?
I like how he's using Minecraft's menu music.
Michael Will be so proud of you using his acronyms
Pretty good vid bro, keep it up
While I don't love searching for crab king, using Perl's perl to find him makes no sense (from a story perspective). She doesn't know where he is which is why she sends out bottles.
Okay so I feel like there's a very simple fix for this boss: Add boat cannons.
Then, the main strategy could be something like this: One player is a dedicated navigator, maneuvering the boat in and out of the king's attacks. The other players man the cannons or use other ranged weapons to attack the boss, repair the boat, etc. This would give the fight a much more "nautical" feel than it has currently.
As is, navigating the boat in and out of melee is very janky, since you'd always be at risk of bumping into the boss and probably only being able to get a few swipes in before you need to 180 out of range. Plus, the current options for ranged weapons are so limited. Boat cannons would be perfect.
I think bosses where there are multiple ways to beat them are the best. I dream of the day where there isn't one go to way of dealing with some boss. Awsome video btw. I heard you read all your comments so I just want you to know that I really appreciate all the time you clearly put into many of the aspects of your videos. Love from Denmark.
I think the reason why characters 'decide to murder Pearl's ex' is because they give him the pearl Pearl gave them and then he goes crazy and starts attacking them. That's why when Pearl receives the now cracked pearl back she says, 'Oh, I see now' or something like this, because she understands he is not a human anymore (or an anthropomorphic crab I guess).
Perhaps
"2 words. Freeze cheese"
1 word. BEEZ
Bee mines make this boss a joke
How many bee mines one needs?
I didn't talk about the bee strat in the video intentionally because it seems like something that would get patched out, as it just feels like a minor oversight. They haven't fixed it yet though which is... slightly worrying.
@@DonPetexX all of them
@@DonPetexX like 120 or something
@@FreddoFilms still haven't
Love the use of the song Danse Macabre
Respect for using minecraft ocean music in the background
I really like the crab king, but it does have down sides that need fixing;
the perma freeze is just really bad and shouden't be a thing, in any possible way, dosen't matter if it's an enemy or boss, shouden't be a thing. Maybe it could be changed so the crab king will swipe at the player if he succesfully freezes the player, it whould be an free hit on his part and freeing the player on there's. He could also possible heal himself once before freeing the player as previously mentioned.
the bubble attack is a bit too big, which makes it really hard to dodge, and only really leaves the freeze cheese strategy. I'd say maybe make the bubble's more spread out, like instead of one big cluster, there could be a couple of smaller clusters of bubbles which will be more defensive and closer to the crab king himself.
The build your own boss concept is really cool, and has a lot of possibilities, i think the diffrent gems could have some more effects, aside from just buffing the boss, for example, maybe if you insert 5 or more blue gems, an ice sheet whould form around the crab king which the player could stand on and fight the boss that way, ofcourse this is just an simple idea, but this could be expanded on in soo many ways!
Either way, i still like the crab king, he's just too cute for me to hste him!
The song in the background is the Danza Macabra
As of all things, there's a possible way to kill with with huge amounts of bees
Man this reminds me of when mot in SMT3 could just decide that you don't get to go and he has infinite turns cuz he has no limit on casting beast eye which gives him 2 extra turns. Pair that with almighty damage and that boss is just based on luck. I think there is a strategy that works but it's also partially based on luck. I didn't know people still made that mistake in recent times.
The only time i reccomend using blue gems for crab king easily with sea sprouts cause you start it with bees until he freezes the bare inner sea weeds and piss off every sea weed on the outside sea stacks so crab king can be farmed more consisitantly without being a resource sink while having rapid fire dark sword damage
My main world has the crab king beside Pearl's Island! Oh the irony.
What about broken/opened pearl bottles being washed away to the land with scribbles in them that characters struggle to read, but given to pearl that would result in some lines of dialoge and crab king`s location? i think this sounds good
Crab King? Sounds like a tv show about crab fisherman.
do you think is cheesing stacking 2 rounds of 40 gunpowder on the Fuelweaver? Is the only way that I've found and I only have to kill the hands and the spawns once. In the other hand you can kill the Crabking using warrior bees or the normal ones in spring and it seems a lot more easier like you "suggest" in the beggining of the video
you have to be insane to kill the hands without it, basically a nightmare amulet
I don't wanna completely agree with what you've said so far, as I've yet to fight Crab King myself and how fun a boss is, is very subjective, but you've have made a very sound argument as why this boss is not very good or maybe even the worst. Once I FINALLY find this guy and thrash down with him myself, I could see myself feeling the same way you feel.
Warning. Overprepare. Whatever you think you need use 5x more.
2 years pass, and they still doesn't fix this boss, great
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The combat in this game is pretty sub par. I wish they’d somehow give it some refreshes. Could be a game changer
I found this randomly while ghosting
GOOD ENDİNG: Crab king's pearl gets Broken. But doesnt matter. He is still alive.
BAD ENDİNG: Crab king dies.
NEUTRAL ENDİNG: Player doesnt fights Crab king.
RAVE ENDİNG: Crab king joins to crab rave.
Hey it just hit me
What if you were to use a team of 6 Wendy's
If he can't deal damage to bees what will a team of 6 Abigail's do?
I mean, if they won't get hurt at all, you will just need a lot of items to repair the boat and sisturn just in case, and a lot of time and food
@@sebi8911 yeah man
Someone has to try this xD
@@haurenos Tbh I can try to do it on my own, but I will need to be more careful because of being solo, if someone feels like joining onto the *test*, let me know or something
Someone did this with bees
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 we know about the bees. That is what inspired the idea in the 1st place.
Ok so I havent fought Crab King yet, but have an idea.
What if instead of having to keep fixing boats, what if at the start, stone pillars rise and slowly heal back up, and you have to hop onto different pillars and dodge his attacks
You forgot iridescent gems, which basically increase all the bosses states by a factor of 3x (I am almost completely sure but it might be more) per gem. This is the masochistic version of the boss fight .
I cant even bring myself to find Malbotross
GOOD NEWS!!! Cranking has been completely revamped so he’s actually cool now
he still heals 200 health every second tho :(
what does willow's cut stone inspection quote mean
on top of having a semi reliable way to finding the volcano, sailing in shipwrecked is just fun. you're constantly sailing around at a fast speed, dodging or using the waves as a means to accelerate yourself even further, you're always doing something on the water. in DST, all you really do in the sea is wait. you put your sails up and occasionally change their direction depending on where you wanna go, not to mention it's SLOW as FUCK. i love the idea that you can build a moving base on a ship, but if it comes at the cost of the ship being this boring to use, i'd rather have shipwrecked ships in the game. not to mention, shipwrecked let you build bases in the sea anyway. what happened to those?
What does the red gems do?
Do chage wx and scaled Furness negate freeze attack?
The Crab King honestly feels like a Monster Hunter fight. Now this is gonna make little sense, but what I mean is that this is a boss where unless you're a total badass with a lot of patience and resources, the only real way to take this fight on is with a team where you can divide up roles between each other. A person to steer, a person to do melee damage, a person to do ranged damage, a healer, I watch videos of people taking this bastard down in a group and I get fucking war flashbacks to MHGU. I honestly believe Carb King is Klei's Kulve Taroth where its basically them more or less telling you to assemble a team if you want to fight this thing and _not_ rip your hair out.
And in a game where the base game combat is pretty simple, you don't want to fucking make a boss like that.
I like the fact that I have to use Ice Staff 🔷 which is never used
it has a lot of utilities, but people only bother using it for bosses because they only care about speedrunning to celestial champion and afterwards abandoning the world
Thanks for your work
Bruh I'm I the only one that found crab king like 1 minute after setting sail 😂
You know...
... I don't think I really like any of the boat stuff in recent DST.
It's all so slow and has way too much down time, the ocean is not as interesting as it could be and the amount of time and effort it takes to make a boat is just too much work with too little payoff.
Even if I wanted to do some other activities like fishing, survival is a priority and never am I at that point in the game where I have enough food to feel safe enough to go fishing for a few days (I guess this is on me).
I wish I wasn't so burnt out on DST.
I haven't touched RoT being honest. The boat mechanics look awful and that alone has dissuaded me.
If they added SW style boat mechanics in addition to the DST boats I'd be more willing to try it out, I'm just not interested in expending hours preparing a boat to have it immediately sunk because of bad controls.
Honestly this boss would be more interesting with SW boats tbh.
And then the modders fix Kleis mistakes for them
Shipwrecked did boats the best
What if pearls pearl started jumping and shaking related to proximity to the crap king, I think that would be cool
there is a way to locate it now with the Astral Detector... but that would be nice as well tbh
I have a challenge for anyone who wants to suffer
Beat the crab king without an ice staff, and insert the following gems: pearls pearl, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem, iridescent gem.
Good luck
after successfully beating crab king that way you achieve godhood
Many people are pointing out that this boss is designed as a team effort kind of boss. Even with a group there are still problems with it though
1) the geyser attack is too fast for even a designated rower to row away from (also who wants to be that guy anyway?)
2) Freeze attack is still GG if he spams it
3) the healing "attack" is very poorly designed and should just be straight removed, if not made much easier to cancel.