This Luke Skywalker Line Is A Character Killer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.พ. 2025
- Rian Johnson didn't just assassinate Luke Skywalker's character, he assassinated a whole bunch of others as well.
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“Yoda & Ben were both great teachers, even they lost students. I can still sense the good in him. There is always hope, Kyle. Remember that.” - Actual Luke Skywalker
Love playing Jedi academy but I prefer the light side ending.
I'm probably beating a dead horse at this point, but Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords did a better job deconstructing the Jedi than the shitty Disney Trilogy.
you say that like its an insult. KOTOR 2 did an incredible job of deconstructing the jedi, and regardless of ANYTHING rian johnson COULD have done, he wasn't going to top kotor 2
In a way yeah, too bad that the pacing and tone ruin it for me.
The Kotor games are some of the best written Star Wars media in existence
@@JustLikeTheSimulations yeah lmao
In the EU, Luke realized that the Jedi should form attachments, that's why he married Mara Jade.
If I were Mark Hamill I would have felt so disgusted throwing such a legendary light saber away.
That reminds me of a story, that i've read: A SW Fan traveled to Disneyland and at the end of the day, he wanted a souvenir that reminds him of this day. So he went to one of the shops and asked, if they have Anakins Lightsaber. The staff member then said "I'm sorry. We don't have Anakins Lightsaber." The Fan then looked behind the staff member, saw it and said "What? Why not. I see it right behind you." and the staff member answered "Oh. You mean *REY's* Lightsaber. Yes. We do have that of course. Do you want to buy it?" The fan disgusted responded "No. Thank you." and left the Park.
I mean, Luke does also throw away a light saber in one of his most iconic scenes.
Further reason why the Disney heresy isn’t canon. It’s not even Star Wars
you don't have to like it, but it quite literally is canon, and it is star wars
@imjustsomecanadianguyandis184 I won’t.
@@Evren_ it is neither Star Wars or canon. It’s utter trash
@@TheEdog37 if you think its trash thats fine, but it quite literally is canon and it is star wars, your opinion on it doesn't really change that
@@Evren_Lol just cause a corporate entity claims such content is canon, doesn’t mean we have to consider it canon ourselves. And why should anybody care about their canon when they can’t even keep it consistent by constantly rewriting events that already occurred in their “canon” comics?
I doubt Luke would even know Emperor Palpatine's sith moniker of Darth Sidious. That was the Emperor's secret persona. I don't know if Yoda or Obi Wan ever even learned that name. I imagine the only ones who knew that name would've been the Nemoidians (who Vader killed), Dooku (who Vader killed), Maul, and that Amedda guy who was Palpatine's assistant politician guy. And EVEN IF Luke learned the name "Darth Sidious", he still would've casually referred to him as "The Emperor" or "Emperor Palpatine". And Rey DEFINITELY wouldn't have known the name "Darth Sidious".
That whole conversation is written wrong. It's written as if Luke and Rey watched the movies... not as if they lived in the Star Wars universe.
Finally someone addressing the quote I always hated it. It’s just makes Luke a complete hypocrite he talks shit about the Jedi but look where he at now wasted away on a dead island with narrow minded self pity. Sounds like he regretted becoming a Jedi he make it out like everything he did in og trilogy was a mistake down redeeming his father and it just left me disgusted.
To me Luke would have felt disappointed in his mentors for not being upfront with him about how things *really* went down, but only at first. After that he would have realized that Obi-Wan and Yoda did what they *thought* was right despite everything, and in Luke's own case he knew he had to do things better than his predecessors. And if that meant the prohibition on attachments had to be taken out of the Jedi Code, then so be it. Legends continuity showed that Jedi being allowed to have families benefitted the Jedi Order in the long-run.
The way the a lot of the new fans view the empire propaganda against the Jedi goes to show exactly why so many people believe in the propaganda we see in the real world today.
That's why you have to read the novelization of the original Star Wars, published in the 70s. Try to get a vintage copy from when it was new so you get it unaltered.
Sidious is definitely not just a guy and he definitely manipulated the Jedi to a certain extent, but they are also responsible for a lot of things themselves.
0:31 I honestly don't know why people kept giving Mark the benefit of the doubt when he's in the movie. He did the work and collected his paycheck and Joker laughed his ass off all the way to the bank.
You know what's worse about that whole scene and conversation between Luke and Rey. It's not written as the conversation of two people living in the Star Wars galaxy... it's written as the conversation of two people who watched the Star Wars movies.
Rey's knowledge of events would be most likely minimal to non-existent... at best it would be piece-meal and cobbled together from little things she'd gathered here and there. We assume that the "legends" of Luke and Leia and Han Solo must've been as common as knowing the tale of The 3 Little Pigs... but WITHIN the Star Wars universe, Luke, Leia, and Han would be about as mainstream as... I dunno... the legend of Davey Crockett. How many WW2 war heroes can 20-year-olds name? People know George Washington's name and that he was the first US President... but how many specific events of his life can people name? And WE live in a time of easy access to information. Star Wars is a mostly analog world. Their technology is both more advanced, AND inferior to ours at the same time. Star Wars communication and transmission of information is archaic compared to ours. Even their "holograms" are low resolution and can't even show a background. Our flat videos and photographs are more useful than Star Wars holograms. It's something between retro-futurism and just plain retro. It's meant to have enough technology to account for blasters, spacetravel, droids and cybernetics... but also feel like the 40s and/or back to medieval times.
That's why Luke can have little to no clue what the Jedi are 15 years since they were at their peak.
3:56 I didn't watch the Clone Wars because I was already too old for it and the fact that they gave Anakin an apprentice is just full retard. I couldn't. Even though it was approved by George I just could 't because of the mischaracterization of Anakin. He was never anywhere near this level of maturity in the movies and it never sat right with me.
This statement never happened in my opinion, and neither did the sequels.
4:30 Totally backwards and an absolute abomination that utterly destroys Luke's character.
6:25....YES! Them bringing Luke back in the Boba Fett series and showing he was not going to be Luke but Jake Skywalker still, that was my moment any hope remaining died. The sequels were still continuing, Disney was doubling down. I went from hope they were going to change the sequels to giving up, realizing Star Wars was dead, and hating Disney. Now I just want to see the company burn to the ground and have their parts sold off to the highest bidder. Star Wars and Disney is dead to me.
1:07 That is true. I went to theatre to see all the Hobbit flicks. Only went for The Force Awakens for Star Wars.
Mark Hamill should've refused playing Luke.
It's all song and dance. They're actors and their job was to act like they were on our side. It's why they had Harrison be happy Han is dead. It's now why Mark is promoting Biden. The house was always stacked against us. They didn't quite pull it off for me as I only saw The Force Awakens and noticed the glaring problems in it and it represented for the next movie.
@@gamervet4760Everything has changed since The Force Awakens, we didn't have these much sequels, spin-offs, reboots and prequels before that, sure we had, but I think everything started going downhill for Hollywood since then.
@@jesustovar2549 Mark could've said no.
@@gamervet4760Harrison Ford always wanted Han dead. That has been a well known piece of trivia from way back in the Original Trilogy. And what side is “our” side when it comes to politics? If Hamill came out hard supporting Trump, what would stop half the country from declaring that he’d just been “acting” like he was on “our” side?
@bellowingsilence It wouldn't matter what political side they were on if they kept it to themselves. They didn't, and now it just made people realize that he never cared about much of anything. I personally never gave a shit what Harrison said or did. He's an idiot actor, and now Mark Hamill has just revealed himself as a sellout and not for anyone but himself. It makes his words about Ryan Johnson and Luke ring hollow. If you want to just turn a blind eye, go right ahead. Don't attempt to "correct" what is blatantly obvious to fit your idea of comfort. Facts are facts.
Honestly, I disagree with the post because yes the Jedi tried to stop it and yes, they didn't "allow it" from a surface level perspective. But Mace said it best when he said "I think it's time to let the Senate know our connection to the force has dwindled" (something around those lines). To me this indicates they were not intentional in the rise of Sidious and the Empire, but they were definitely aware something was amiss and NOTHING was done by the council to stop/learn about this because most arguments regarding the Sith and a dark power over the senate lead to "clouded the future is because of the Darkside". I personally think Luke is reading the texts from surface level (without the full understanding because face it, not everything could be present there), and this leads to the conclusion that the Jedi are "wrong", which honestly, he's not wrong about. Look at Qui-Gon, he PUSHED to have Anakin train because "he's the chosen one". This is a drastic action that had dire consequences, regardless of if they were seen or not.
I think part of the issue is we know nothing of Luke’s Jedi so it’s kind of his fault either way
1. He did something new so why is he blaming Jedi he has nothing to do with?
2. If he didn’t do his own thing and copy the prequel Jedi……it’s his fault for not making changes and not thinking potential problems through
I respect your view of the quote. However, i took it differently than you did. Qui-Gon warned the council of a possible Sith he fought on Tatooine and they basically shrugged it off cause the Sith have been "extinct" for centuries. Wasnt until he died that they were like "okay, it may be possible". Then, in the Clone Wars, theres an episode where they found out Dooku was behind creating the Clone Army but didnt do any investigating to see if the Clones could be trusted, which means they could have prevented Order 66. Also, the fact that Jedi can sense other Force users but couldnt sense Palpatine shows how blind they were to the whole thing. Also, the "height of their power" was more about that generation of Jedi. I remember reading that the Jedi Order during the Prequels were the strongest the Order had been in many years. Lastly, i dont think he threw Ben under the bus per say. Yes, Ben trained Anakin but he also didnt kill him when he should have. Allowing him to live (twice once the Kenobi show came out) led to him being one of the most ruthless men in the galaxy. Why didnt he kill him? To quote Anakin in Ep3 "it's not the Jedi way". The Jedi and their Code failed the galaxy.
So, imo, what Luke said was true...from a certain point of view.
Respectfully
The CW made some really dumb decisions story wise.
Disney Wars is basically the real life equivalent of COMPNOR (Commission for the Preservation of the New Order), the Galactic Empire's main holonet propaganda outlet.
I don't get the anger about this particular view of old Luke. It totally made sense to me. He tried to establish a new Jedi Order and failed, in his view, at least. Instead he made a new empire of sorts possible (which, indeed, is a dumb plot point, but tell that to JJ Abrams). So, I kind of get it why he's disillusioned about the whole "Jedi thing". And yes, they were indeed complacent about the Sith danger. That's at least my take-away from the prequels and the Clone Wars series. Sidious was right under their noses, and they didn't get it, until it was too late. Anyway, the most important thing is: This moment of disillusionment passed. Luke finds the way and safes the Resistance. So, bitter Luke ended up heroic Luke. In the end this was no character killer at all.
The approach to dismantling this franchise seems so odd and malicious. Almost like certain people see it promotes or reinforces a certain moral framework in society and they are trying to correct society, so they have to tear this down to promote whatever it is they think should be the new moral framework. That seems far fetched in some ways, but we're running out of unproven conspiracy theories, so we've got to come up with new ones ;)
WDW Pro did an interesting vid about "luke" coming back for Grogu/Mando movie
Peter Jackson isnt directing the Gollem Movies its Andy Serkis.....
I mean I don't like the sequels, and I don't think that blaming the jedi for everything is accurate... but I also don't think that it's wrong to say that the jedi order at least partly created the conditions for the rise of the sith. just looking at the training of Anakin, one of two things should have happened. If the Jedi truly believed him to be too old or disturbed for training, they should have taken steps to isolate and protect him just in case he was the child of prophecy that Qui Gon thought. OR if they were OK with him being trained, they damn sure shouldn't have let him be trained by the very newest jedi master. If Anakin was to be trained, he should have been trained by the most powerful and wise jedi. (This isn't saying I don't like Obi Wan, but I honestly don't think in that one statement that Luke said anything Obi Wan didn't know himself, Obi Wan failed Anakin and was factually not the best master for Anakin of available options.)
Now, you can also talk about different conceptions of the force and whether the jedi order should properly discourage attachment. I feel that there's a good case that their rigid philosophy also laid the groundwork for the fall of Anakin, but if you really want to stick to original canon and just blindly accept that the teachings of the jedi order are fundamentally correct. There is some good reason to do so, because if we go too far in talking about real human morality instead of how the force apparently actually works in the series you can very easily forget the magical aspects of the dark side which are fundamentally corrupting. It's not necessarily evil itself which always leads to the dark side, it's the dark side which leads to evil.
But I'm honestly not sure that's better for the Jedi. Because if you say 'the jedi teachings are the teachings which lead to the light side' and you accept that attachment is fundamentally a bad idea for a jedi even if it's good for an ordinary human, then you still have a problem for the Jedi because they didn't foster an environment where Anakin felt comfortable coming to anyone about his problems. And his master, who never should have been his master as I mentioned before, KNEW about Anakin's attachment and neither dealt with the issue himself nor did he inform the Jedi of the huge risk.
Finally let me re-emphasize, don't take this as a defense of anything like a defense of the sequels. I don't think the idea of sequels ever really made a lot of sense, but the ones that they made were terrible. But I also don't think that it's unreasonable to assume that it would be natural for the character of Luke Skywalker to obtain a certain degree of disrespect for the Jedi order following RoTJ as he would have had an opportunity to learn more about the history of events. Whatever one thinks that the Jedi should have done with respect to Anakin, it seems difficult to argue that they did it.
The Jedi made mistakes, to be sure. It’s the hard lean in on that that made the waters muddy.
I'm not sure what level, but it's all bad.
Honestly I love the Mandalorians a lot more than the Jedi or the Sith. Anakin Skywalker should have been a Mandalorian. This is the Way!
I don't know why you guys are bitching. Sure, THE LAST JEDI has a lot of issues, but Luke should've realized the Jedi were disgusting assholes somehow.