DING! DING! Ethics has all but vanished, from STEM. People had better get their heads around this and start regulating this stuff, the way any other WMD is, before its too late. But, moreover, its not going rogue, or being maliciously programmed, thats most frightening, but incompetent programming and or just ignoring our screams as they tread on us like any other terrain.
@blob blob I agree with you on that. I read an article about drones they have right now that are the size of a dragonfly, and can fly right into your window and kill you. Have you seen any of the footage of drones being used to tell people they aren't social distancing. It sends chills down my spine. I swear, it sounded just like that thing in Robocop with the Gatling gun arms.
I'm less concerned with Spot going rogue. I'm more concerned with a forgotten Spot that was deployed by a company gone bankrupt in decades past. Like a forgotten landmine in Asia. I also fear the decoupling of murder from individual accountability. With drones, all sorts of excuses will shield murders from accountability.
Lex : can robots be used to kill us? Russ : I don't really care uhhh I'm just gonna build em uhhh and be optimistic. Alot of uhhh things in the world are scary.
Can knives be used to kill me? Can power cords be used to strangle me? Can a toddler kill me with a six-shooter? Can radiator fluid be used to poison me? Can gasoline be used to arson me? Can a gold digger wife despise me to death? Most of us have seen too many Terminator movies.
They seemed to miss the premise. Spot did not go rogue. The Black Mirror Dogs are swarm weapons created to track down and eliminate the target population. We already have most of the tech in that episode (battery being the largest gap), it’s just a matter of putting the weapons and targeting on a platform.
@@HardKore5250 Maybe I don't recall the episode, but I thought it was some human-designated hit carried out by an unstoppable kill dog... the human-to-human is going to bring it about more than some internal robot revolution, as drones are already a-killing.... and if I ever saw a gun drone coasting overhead, I think I would run frantically for the rest of my days. "It can't happen here" is all we can say at this point.
Carl Foster not necessarily if they get smarter and we treat them with respect I don’t see a rebellion. Just give them rights too. I choose robots over humans. Just look at the crazy protests.
The fund-a-mental problem with these discussions is that nobody wants to discuss the ideology of dominance inherently behind the weaponization of everything.
Scary machines are not scary because they are machines, but because they are created to serve "someone" ... i.e. their owners ... You know, the same *psychopaths* who owns everything else of any real consequence in this World. In other words: The robots are not here for you.
It's true. There is an air of great mystery around letting a machine mounted with cameras roam around your home, your kids, not knowing what it's doing with the information it collects.
@@ZappyOh that's exactly true. Right now, even if the president decided to turn everything into a dictatorship and managed to get past the half a dozen people in charge of keeping it in check, there would still be the issue of getting the military to do what he wants. With autonomous robots, the power imbalance tips drastically in the favor of the few people who own it and there's not much anyone else can do
@@insanezombieman753 We already live in a dictatorship. The president at any particular moment is just a sock puppet, "the bootlicker in chief" as they call him.
If Spot was programmed and debugged conventionally, then the only way Spot could attack you is if it was programmed that way. However if it was programmed with a neural net and/or other deep learning techniques, then by definition, it is constantly reprogramming itself, and those techniques are notoriously hard to debug, if you even could call it that. So yes I would have much less confidence in the latter type of dog, especially in the long term.
It concerns me that the people on the forefront on robotics and AI are completely out of touch with what it means to be human and have very little concern. For instance.. the phone has been a great tool but has caused many people to have social anxiety due to a lack of connection along with the fact depression and suicide has gone up astronomically. AI will literally have a mind of its own and it’s odd to me that these people seem to not have a worry in the world. One robot literally explained it would hack nuclear sights and bomb the world to take over. Not everyone wants to be “ROBOT PEOPLE”!
I think the individuals working at the forefront of A.I. and robotics exhibit more empathy than you give them credit. The primary purpose any of the men and women are motivated and funded, is because the benefits the field can provide our species.
I’ve studied AI for 5 years (which arguably isn’t that long) and have seen how primitive it actually is at its core. Engineers can built it to do one simple, well parameterized, task but it still has no “mind.” The closest thing to a “mind” has been AlphaGo, because 1 time it made odd moves not seen before by the Go community. People couldn’t conceive of such a move, and were awed by this, leading people to say it was smart or had a mind, but it doesn’t, it was just math.
@@snivesz32 I wish more people could understand what you just said. I'd even go on a leg and say some of them are highly specialized in one task and moderately reliable in one or two other related skills... Thinking and plotting domination? Nope.
Satanic pedophiles rule the world so it's straight psychopaths that are programming those AI, and people wonder why they consistently come up with lots of this seriously creepy and evil stuff. Garbage in garbage out, evil in evil out.
I think quad copterdrones would be better for this kind of work. A robot dog that has to think about terrain, obstacles, steps, high speed chases, etc would be way more complicated than just a quadcopter with a mounted weapons system.
In the Black Mirror episode the spot doesn't go rogue and find a gun. It was deployed to a battlefield and executing orders it was equipped to carry out. That is the implication I came away with.
1:33 I've always thought that this was evolutionary mechanisms rewarding us for considering potential dangers to prevent people from not thinking about/mentally preparing for them. And then this impulse went nuts when we became linguistic instead of instinctual.
Every major advancement intended for "saving humanity" ends up at DARPA or a corresponding defense contractor to weaponize it and implement into the war machine. Thinking of ways thats going to happen with new invention isn't a psychosis its an unfortunate fact of our existence
It’s a bit disturbing that they know that people are disturbed by that episode have not bothered to watch the episode and be able to talk about it. Feels like it should be required viewing if your audience stops responding the same way to the videos you show to them as he stated. It would have been a great question if the guy knew anything about the episode.
To me it feels like they're confronting it the same way they're confronting demands from people regarding "The Three Laws" (lines of code which act as rules/laws to govern A.I.)... It feels similar to the philosophical idea I've floated around my head that: By creating a rule to govern an imagined problem of the future, the problem is no longer imagined, and the rule becomes necessity. However, if you never create the rule to govern the hypothetical problem in the future, the problem never arises... It's like taking the wave/particle phenomenon of quantum physics and applying it to thoughts and ideas.
The "department of defense", used to be the "war department"... The change was made as a "public relations" (propaganda) gambit... to manage public perception. In truth... we are war mongers.
Lol no. It tracked them down and killed them even after they left the warehouse. And there were hundreds of them that weren't from warehouses. One was from a warehouse and that one was rouge becuase it left and stop defending it and instead hunted them down
The big point was that it had no empathy. If a human saw someone stealing toys for their kid they might just let the thieves go, but a robot isn’t programmed to have emotional intelligence
I haven't watched 'Metalhead' more than once. Mainly because we are only a couple API's away from turning Boston Dynamics 'spot' into these metalheads. Make sure there is a big red 'STOP' button on these robots. Don't rely on software alone. Never underestimate the cruelty and destructiveness of Humans...
In movies like the Terminator, the robots are pretty much bullet proof. In real life, they're not. The weight of the armor plate it would take to make it resistant to a 7.62 or 5.56 round would make the robot huge.
One doesn't need "armor plate" -- bullet proof vests are not made of armor plate. Combine modern nearly indestructible plastics along with metal, you'd have a fearsome protection for a killer robot.
@@nunca789 Bullet proof vests are for stopping pistol rounds only. In the movies though, they're not wearing any vests though. The bullets just bounce off the metal body, so it would have to be made of armor plate. The Terminators also have hoses and hydraulic cylinders exposed which would be clipped by the bullets.
I plan to have a home robot or android in the future to do house work. However, I will know its weakness or give it a weakness, maybe an exposed circuit board or power connector like B9.
He is talking around the issue. It is a currently very real possibility that somebody programs a bot with a gun and a camera that attempts to shoot something for whatever reason, be it due to facial recognition or because it is based on motion detection, and they have a simple bug in the program where the shouldFire check always returns true. Anybody in their house today can make a robot that does such a thing with easily accessible components. It doesn't require them to create a super elaborate sentient being. I could probably program something like that in a few hundred lines of code. It is more a question of intention and determination. A few years ago some highschool kid wrote a python program to stabilize his drone while it flew around firing a glock for show and tell. There is a video of it in action on youtube.
The only fear we should have is about who controls the device. Robots, AI, guns or nukes are all just tools, and we should always be wary of the intent of those who wish to use those tools. Thus our biggest threat to humanity is humanity itself. The way to address that is for everyone to stand up for justice, hold our leaders accountable, increase transparency, spread truth, condemn lies and vote.
This guy doesn’t seem like he’s truly interested in the “implications of his work”. I get the sense he is just going through the motions. This is extremely concerning.
You get a sense of this? I see you’re not a scientist sir. Believing in something is something you do inside a church. Outside we should be evidence-driven
The fear comes from the thought that they have intelligence enough to complete their mission but that they have no will. So their will can't be broken. Instead, they have a utility function and if that is to kill you then they will not stop until you are dead or until they are disassembled.
Whay are people afraid of robots? OK. so for example, some humans have been killed by deer which are easy to neutralise and not particularly lethal because they are shy. Robots, though...
It wasnt just the black mirror robot's capabilities that where the main fear it was the system that they where apart of and the systems perceived goals that was the fear. Now compound that with the loss of freedoms and trend toward governments going authoritarian(alternatively AI fears) and that is the scary part about the black mirror episode in question.
1:10 I think there are two trains of thought 1) robotic/AI apocalypse relieves the tedium of constant civility for daily bread. Some instinctual part of our subconscious wants to pillage like drunken sailors and slay like Spartans. A non-human enemy justifies this behavior while uniting humans against a common enemy. If only it were that simple and easy. 2) the nightmare of this scenario is fascinating in the sense of “how can this be avoided with awareness and study”.
Well I thought the scary thing about the episode and recent advances in robotics is if we don't install a protecal that recognizes if a human beings life is at risk or to stop its movement and goes to shut down mode or calls for help if any one of its actions causes some either injury or death. If we get that comfortable with robots causing or doing that much damage to humans everyday the truth is it will get out of hand one day...then who is to blame lead programmers, maybe the owner/main investor or is it the community think tank that should be blamed for not thinking of the right protocols?
Yes -- PLUS the robot is seemingly intelligent but impervious to reasoning, argument, and discussions of good versus evil, intentionality versus accidental mistakes, etc.
I've seen a psychological study on why humans have fears of robots. Well, it depends I guess. If the robot is human-like, the flaws in what we see are creepy to us. If the robot is more animal like, we immediately have sympathy for them. This is the majority of people from what I understand. I'm pretty sure it was in a Vsauce video where they named a robot cockroach and when the people were asked to smash it with a hammer, they had issues with that. lol. It's interesting and something worthwhile checking out. I wish I remember the exact video.
I don't understand the confusion here. No one is suggesting the robots are going to go wild all by themselves. We are just painfully aware that they will become weaponised. How hard is that to understand? Its got nothing to do with terminator movies, and everything to do with the history of weaponisation that terminator is based on.
The would not be a horror genre of movies if culturally, we didn't enjoy, on some level of being afraid. Those black mirror robots; are obviously set up to kill undesirables. Especially over teddys.
Imagine some moores law on that one. 10 times faster 3 times the size. 100 times smarter. 10 times stronger. Teazzzer teargas and capabiloty to deploy a few some minidrones.
Dear Mr Fridman and Mr Tedrake, Thank you Mr Fridman for showcasing some of the most talented people in the world. You are not only one of the most influential people in the world, you are doing it to make the world a better place and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we are all better off and more informed since you began doing videocasts. For the robotic fantasies people have, I think that we have to realize that people are afraid of rogue robots malfunctioning because of artificially enhanced intelligence systems that go berserk, because our sixth sense is way ahead of anything our minds can see coming this way. The sixth sense is buried so far in most people’s consciousness that they aren’t even aware they’re tuning in, whereas others who have been fortunate enough to flick on the on switch at some point in their lives can actually use it like a tool. I’m speaking for men though, because I think women have a better relationship with their inner voice or intuition than men do. Therefore, if we look at all of the other things people believed would someday happen, we can see that there is a correlation between imagining things and the things actually happening, like going in space. Today we have people who believe we will be able to travel at light-speed, and to travel through time, or become cyborgs. For myself, I think it’s because, in our minds, our sixth senses can see that these things are real and that they’re coming someday soon to a planet like ours. Be well -
People assigning their scripts and schemas to Spot which have been “horror biased” could explain the widespread conception. Also some could just be joking, half serious or like Lex said, amused at their unease.
There's a difference between a human acting like a robot and a robot acting like a human. As far as our feelings towards them go. When you watch the Terminator you're probably not creeped out by him. When you see a life-like robot it's a whole different experience.
Yeah dude, the margin for making mistakes, is already razor thin. People have already proven they cant be responsible and respectful to others, with toy drones.
It's not too hard to build a gun into spot and program it to shoot anyone it identifies as human. It's not too hard to build a poison dart gun into a quad copter drone and program it to shoot anyone it identifies as human. We could totally do this today.
Spot is less likely to go rogue, however the fact that robotics as advanced as spot are now for sale allows for an opportunity for a rogue agent to make use of these tools the same way the rest of society can. Imagine a War Games style scenario using robots with weapons being controlled by a child who thinks they’re playing a game with the “most realistic graphics ever” Meh. Idk.
"The department of defense has given me unlimited funding for my research... but don't worry... " (Smugly) : "I made them PROMISE that they will never use it as a weapon."
People seem to overestimate our ability to give robots general agency. By the time we are technically capable of doing what is done in that episode of Black Mirror, most of the rest of the world would seem extremely alien to us.
"Such is the world in which we find ourselves - a world which, judged by the only acceptable criterion of progress, is manifestly in regression. Technological advance is rapid. But without progress in charity, technological advance is useless. Indeed, it is worse than useless. Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards." - Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means, An Enquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods employed for their Realization, 1938. "There is much about the wickedness and arrogance of the rich. Have I said this? It is not only they who are wicked and arrogant, and no man can be called wicked just because he is rich. Wealth does not necessarily serve evil. What matters is how persons deal with the inheritance entrusted to them, not only riches but also strength, beauty or talent. Search your own hearts before condemning others." "I speak to you as a warner and I warn against the ways of evil men. They are selfish men unheedful of the good of others, the good which includes them. Their thoughts do not extend beyond themselves and their own, they seek to isolate themselves from mankind when the good of mankind is an issue. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done, they do not understand the nature of good conduct and the path of Truth. They say, "Mankind has no need of goodness, it has no moral foundation. There is no way of knowing Truth, there is no Supreme Spirit, no Creating God. All creation is the result of chance, and lust is the only cause of birth. The only purpose of life is an earthly one, we begin and end in the dust". Set in the ways of this belief, these unconscious soulspirits dutifully serve the cause of evil, working, though they know not, for the destruction of mankind. They taint their soulspirits with unrestricted desires and stain them with uncontrolled urges. Full of arrogance and deceit they ride, rough-shod, over the spiritual inclinations of others and hold fast to their own dark belief. Their destructive work is carried on in the name of progress. Yet with all they have they are unhappy and discontented. They are loaded with many unnecessary cares and their restless thoughts never give them peace. They fruitlessly seek happiness in sensual enjoyments, in pleasure and gaiety, in the frivolities of life, in drinking and gambling, in luxury and ease, firmly believing they will find it there, that life can offer no more. They are bound fast with fetters of worldliness, they are blind and insensitive to anything else. They seethe within; anger, spitefulness, indignation and malice are relieving outlets. They seek refuge in lies and deceit, they hope for relief in outbursts of temper, in lust and sensuality and in foul language. Their only aim is to amass wealth and possessions, or to live a life of idleness and ease, they cannot understand what drives them on. They say, "What I have I have earned, it is my own, with it I will acquire whatever I need to satisfy my desires. I have amassed riches, I am praised and honoured. I can buy what I desire, I will enjoy life, I am a success, who else is like me? I give charity, I fulfil my religious obligations, I am sought after by those who need advice and help. I live comfortably, I eat well, I have all I need". This they say, but are they really happy and at peace, are they really successful having all they want? No, they speak from the darkness of delusion, though they know not. They have been deceived by the trap of earthly conditions, they have fallen prey to the alluring phantoms of the senses. They are entangled in a net of delusion, they wander in the deep fog of illusion. They are slaves to their urges, captives of their cravings, they are bound and helpless in a chariot drawn by runaway horses, carried swiftly towards the yawning abyss. Week men become drunk with heady draughts of power and riches, they are carried away by their own arrogance and conceit. They try to turn earthly condition towards serving their own ends and struggle futilely against The Law. Willing slaves of arrogance and selfishness, helpless victims in the stormy seas of rage, lust and violence, these servants of evil hate the divinity within themselves. They hate and fear the small still voice inside. They stifle it, they smother it under the loud clamour of gaiety. They seek solace in strong wine, in sense-stimulation entertainment and in spirit-poisoning drugs. Stand aside, let them be carried swiftly to the place of sorrow and vain regret! Hear my voice and do not fall into the trap of worldliness, do not fall willing victims to the allurements of phantoms. Long for reality, be satisfied with nothing less than Truth. Do not reject the scriptures, study them carefully and you will have a guide through life. They will reveal the right and the wrong, follow their light, do what has to be done, no more is expected of you. Heed what I say, for I am your friend." - The Kolbrin, Wisdom of the Ages, The Book of the Silver Bough once known as The Book of Sacred Scripts, Chapter Six, The Teachings of Elidor 5.
that episode wasn't about robots going rogue. it showed counterinsurgency and territorial control with robots. think of inner city neighbourhoods or Palestine or other occupied territories.
I'm not worried about Spot "going rogue" I'm worried about spot being purposely programmed to go after me the way drones are already being used.
DING! DING!
Ethics has all but vanished, from STEM. People had better get their heads around this and start regulating this stuff, the way any other WMD is, before its too late.
But, moreover, its not going rogue, or being maliciously programmed, thats most frightening, but incompetent programming and or just ignoring our screams as they tread on us like any other terrain.
@blob blob I agree with you on that. I read an article about drones they have right now that are the size of a dragonfly, and can fly right into your window and kill you. Have you seen any of the footage of drones being used to tell people they aren't social distancing. It sends chills down my spine. I swear, it sounded just like that thing in Robocop with the Gatling gun arms.
@@springbloom5940 "Regulation" always means that only those writing the regulation get to keep their murder toys and use them freely.
I'm less concerned with Spot going rogue. I'm more concerned with a forgotten Spot that was deployed by a company gone bankrupt in decades past. Like a forgotten landmine in Asia.
I also fear the decoupling of murder from individual accountability. With drones, all sorts of excuses will shield murders from accountability.
This is why we all need to start building out own militarized spots. The right to bare arms, and to bare a robot army.
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@kingofallcrypto I guess it's an accurate description...
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They don’t even realize that the first people that are going to be taken out by the robots are their owners/creators
The metal dog on Black Mirror didn't go rouge; it was designed to go after people.
Fax bro smh new york just released it
Lex : can robots be used to kill us?
Russ : I don't really care uhhh I'm just gonna build em uhhh and be optimistic. Alot of uhhh things in the world are scary.
Drones are robots and have launched weapons killing enemies.
In other words: I get paid a lot to play with robots, and get a lot of social status from doing so. No, I’m not going to stop.
What is scarier, a terminator or a swarm of bird or bat like murder bots?
Can knives be used to kill me? Can power cords be used to strangle me? Can a toddler kill me with a six-shooter? Can radiator fluid be used to poison me? Can gasoline be used to arson me? Can a gold digger wife despise me to death?
Most of us have seen too many Terminator movies.
@@MarkGastMurder Swarm
Why would anyone think they'd militarize robots??? What silly humans
You’re being facetious right..?
Yeah ? It’s like he is not answering the question. But hopefully that never happens.
Yeah it's not like we've done in with vehicles, rockets or chemicals right 😅😳😪
Yeah anybody dumb enough to think that should be drone striked.
.. said what we all were thinking 👍
The black mirror robot didn’t go rouge. It was doing exactly what it was programmed to do.
If you are succeeding in every problem you have, maybe you are not choosing aggressively enough.
The wisdom in this words.
They seemed to miss the premise. Spot did not go rogue. The Black Mirror Dogs are swarm weapons created to track down and eliminate the target population.
We already have most of the tech in that episode (battery being the largest gap), it’s just a matter of putting the weapons and targeting on a platform.
I'm worried that he has no worries related to robots.
same
as soon as he said "I'm a technological optimist," I can't help but think, "Well there. Robot dog hunts humans in five years, then."
I don’t see robots coming to hurt humans.
@@HardKore5250 Maybe I don't recall the episode, but I thought it was some human-designated hit carried out by an unstoppable kill dog... the human-to-human is going to bring it about more than some internal robot revolution, as drones are already a-killing.... and if I ever saw a gun drone coasting overhead, I think I would run frantically for the rest of my days. "It can't happen here" is all we can say at this point.
Carl Foster Why would they want to kill us?
@@HardKore5250 because everything that has consciousness and looks around at how we run things eventually becomes angry
Carl Foster not necessarily if they get smarter and we treat them with respect I don’t see a rebellion. Just give them rights too. I choose robots over humans. Just look at the crazy protests.
"i don't see robots coming after me with a knife, well.. at least anytime soon". wtf
More concerned about the weird neighbor who's drunk
The fund-a-mental problem with these discussions is that nobody wants to discuss the ideology of dominance inherently behind the weaponization of everything.
I do t think its a fear of robots persay but more a fear of the application of said robots that scare us
People react to robots the way they do,
because they know someone owns the robots and the IP.
Scary machines are not scary because they are machines, but because they are created to serve "someone" ... i.e. their owners ... You know, the same *psychopaths* who owns everything else of any real consequence in this World.
In other words: The robots are not here for you.
It's true. There is an air of great mystery around letting a machine mounted with cameras roam around your home, your kids, not knowing what it's doing with the information it collects.
@@ZappyOh that's exactly true. Right now, even if the president decided to turn everything into a dictatorship and managed to get past the half a dozen people in charge of keeping it in check, there would still be the issue of getting the military to do what he wants. With autonomous robots, the power imbalance tips drastically in the favor of the few people who own it and there's not much anyone else can do
@@insanezombieman753 We already live in a dictatorship. The president at any particular moment is just a sock puppet, "the bootlicker in chief" as they call him.
If Spot was programmed and debugged conventionally, then the only way Spot could attack you is if it was programmed that way. However if it was programmed with a neural net and/or other deep learning techniques, then by definition, it is constantly reprogramming itself, and those techniques are notoriously hard to debug, if you even could call it that. So yes I would have much less confidence in the latter type of dog, especially in the long term.
"Swarm drones", thousands of them.
Now that's scary.
But not as scary as the people who will program and control theses machines.
The reason I don't trust a word this dude says is because he's acting like technology isn't already militarized
It concerns me that the people on the forefront on robotics and AI are completely out of touch with what it means to be human and have very little concern.
For instance.. the phone has been a great tool but has caused many people to have social anxiety due to a lack of connection along with the fact depression and suicide has gone up astronomically.
AI will literally have a mind of its own and it’s odd to me that these people seem to not have a worry in the world. One robot literally explained it would hack nuclear sights and bomb the world to take over. Not everyone wants to be “ROBOT PEOPLE”!
I think the individuals working at the forefront of A.I. and robotics exhibit more empathy than you give them credit. The primary purpose any of the men and women are motivated and funded, is because the benefits the field can provide our species.
I’ve studied AI for 5 years (which arguably isn’t that long) and have seen how primitive it actually is at its core. Engineers can built it to do one simple, well parameterized, task but it still has no “mind.” The closest thing to a “mind” has been AlphaGo, because 1 time it made odd moves not seen before by the Go community. People couldn’t conceive of such a move, and were awed by this, leading people to say it was smart or had a mind, but it doesn’t, it was just math.
@@snivesz32 I wish more people could understand what you just said.
I'd even go on a leg and say some of them are highly specialized in one task and moderately reliable in one or two other related skills... Thinking and plotting domination? Nope.
Satanic pedophiles rule the world so it's straight psychopaths that are programming those AI, and people wonder why they consistently come up with lots of this seriously creepy and evil stuff. Garbage in garbage out, evil in evil out.
@@Bnkrobber Glad to see people with such positive outlooks on life. It maintains open discussion and welcomes freedom of thought.
People arent afraid of it going rogue. People are afraid of others intentionally using it .
I think quad copterdrones would be better for this kind of work. A robot dog that has to think about terrain, obstacles, steps, high speed chases, etc would be way more complicated than just a quadcopter with a mounted weapons system.
In the Black Mirror episode the spot doesn't go rogue and find a gun. It was deployed to a battlefield and executing orders it was equipped to carry out. That is the implication I came away with.
Not just implication. It is clear the dogs were designed for the identify, search, and destroy humans who got into the wrong place at the wrong time.
1:33 I've always thought that this was evolutionary mechanisms rewarding us for considering potential dangers to prevent people from not thinking about/mentally preparing for them. And then this impulse went nuts when we became linguistic instead of instinctual.
You missed the point of that Black Mirror episode. Robot dog wasn't rogue, it was protecting property using any means available.
He knows allright, how greasy can you be, once these robots are militarized, all human resistance is minimized.
Every major advancement intended for "saving humanity" ends up at DARPA or a corresponding defense contractor to weaponize it and implement into the war machine. Thinking of ways thats going to happen with new invention isn't a psychosis its an unfortunate fact of our existence
If we develop a weapon, we better be developing a counter-weapon.
emp?
@@mimoooo paint did well, just one of many countermeasures to override or jam its electronic sensors. EMP is a bit too potent!
It’s a bit disturbing that they know that people are disturbed by that episode have not bothered to watch the episode and be able to talk about it. Feels like it should be required viewing if your audience stops responding the same way to the videos you show to them as he stated. It would have been a great question if the guy knew anything about the episode.
To me it feels like they're confronting it the same way they're confronting demands from people regarding "The Three Laws" (lines of code which act as rules/laws to govern A.I.)... It feels similar to the philosophical idea I've floated around my head that:
By creating a rule to govern an imagined problem of the future, the problem is no longer imagined, and the rule becomes necessity. However, if you never create the rule to govern the hypothetical problem in the future, the problem never arises... It's like taking the wave/particle phenomenon of quantum physics and applying it to thoughts and ideas.
Well, the new robotic dogs with the gun mounted rifle are available now. 🤷🏾♂️
Note that military research programs are never called attack-program, they are always called defense-program
The "department of defense", used to be the "war department"...
The change was made as a "public relations" (propaganda) gambit... to manage public perception.
In truth... we are war mongers.
black mirror dog wasn't rogue but a warehouse guard dog against looters.
Lol no.
It tracked them down and killed them even after they left the warehouse.
And there were hundreds of them that weren't from warehouses.
One was from a warehouse and that one was rouge becuase it left and stop defending it and instead hunted them down
@@fattyjaybird7505 lol
The big point was that it had no empathy. If a human saw someone stealing toys for their kid they might just let the thieves go, but a robot isn’t programmed to have emotional intelligence
I haven't watched 'Metalhead' more than once.
Mainly because we are only a couple API's away from turning Boston Dynamics 'spot' into these metalheads.
Make sure there is a big red 'STOP' button on these robots. Don't rely on software alone.
Never underestimate the cruelty and destructiveness of Humans...
In movies like the Terminator, the robots are pretty much bullet proof. In real life, they're not. The weight of the armor plate it would take to make it resistant to a 7.62 or 5.56 round would make the robot huge.
One doesn't need "armor plate" -- bullet proof vests are not made of armor plate. Combine modern nearly indestructible plastics along with metal, you'd have a fearsome protection for a killer robot.
@@nunca789 Bullet proof vests are for stopping pistol rounds only. In the movies though, they're not wearing any vests though. The bullets just bounce off the metal body, so it would have to be made of armor plate. The Terminators also have hoses and hydraulic cylinders exposed which would be clipped by the bullets.
Oh trust me buddy, shitting my pants since I saw that episode. Only idiots cheer for those dangerous bots. These are killing machines.
For real though that mug is freakin awesome!! 💀
I plan to have a home robot or android in the future to do house work. However, I will know its weakness or give it a weakness, maybe an exposed circuit board or power connector like B9.
They are the Hell Hounds (the fire dogs) from Fahrenheit 451
Two smart guys disconnected from the future.... what a strange conversation
He is talking around the issue. It is a currently very real possibility that somebody programs a bot with a gun and a camera that attempts to shoot something for whatever reason, be it due to facial recognition or because it is based on motion detection, and they have a simple bug in the program where the shouldFire check always returns true.
Anybody in their house today can make a robot that does such a thing with easily accessible components. It doesn't require them to create a super elaborate sentient being. I could probably program something like that in a few hundred lines of code. It is more a question of intention and determination. A few years ago some highschool kid wrote a python program to stabilize his drone while it flew around firing a glock for show and tell. There is a video of it in action on youtube.
The only fear we should have is about who controls the device. Robots, AI, guns or nukes are all just tools, and we should always be wary of the intent of those who wish to use those tools. Thus our biggest threat to humanity is humanity itself. The way to address that is for everyone to stand up for justice, hold our leaders accountable, increase transparency, spread truth, condemn lies and vote.
anybody notice the four fingers?
Billy Corgan is so accomplished!
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
Robots don't kill people. People kill people. For now.
"this look of terror broke out across the room" - the only time I will probably laugh at that
This guy doesn’t seem like he’s truly interested in the “implications of his work”. I get the sense he is just going through the motions. This is extremely concerning.
agreed
You get a sense of this? I see you’re not a scientist sir. Believing in something is something you do inside a church. Outside we should be evidence-driven
J ohan With all due respect, my numerous college degrees are none of your business.
J ohan Who are you anyhow? The God damn TH-cam police?
I would be more afraid of the flying type of robots.
Soooooooo if spot is dystopian surveillance.... obviously they don't know their phones already do that
The fear comes from the thought that they have intelligence enough to complete their mission but that they have no will. So their will can't be broken. Instead, they have a utility function and if that is to kill you then they will not stop until you are dead or until they are disassembled.
lets count how many times these guys pause saying"uuuuhhhh"
They don't have the battery capacity for these things to be a major threat, yet
There's going to be a huge market for pet robot dogs. Don't have to pick up the poop. Don't have to feed them. No vet bills. No lawsuits. No shedding.
Pretty robot dogs can also be equipped with intruder detection and video surveillance, so they double as a guard dog, too.
Whay are people afraid of robots? OK. so for example, some humans have been killed by deer which are easy to neutralise and not particularly lethal because they are shy. Robots, though...
Why would someone be afraid of a very intelligent and efficient soulless gun? We just develop for the army! Seriously?
It wasn’t the episode of Black Mirror that first scared everyone, it was that first video released of the BD ‘dog’ running through the snow.
It wasnt just the black mirror robot's capabilities that where the main fear it was the system that they where apart of and the systems perceived goals that was the fear. Now compound that with the loss of freedoms and trend toward governments going authoritarian(alternatively AI fears) and that is the scary part about the black mirror episode in question.
1:10 I think there are two trains of thought 1) robotic/AI apocalypse relieves the tedium of constant civility for daily bread. Some instinctual part of our subconscious wants to pillage like drunken sailors and slay like Spartans. A non-human enemy justifies this behavior while uniting humans against a common enemy. If only it were that simple and easy.
2) the nightmare of this scenario is fascinating in the sense of “how can this be avoided with awareness and study”.
I am reminded of the phrase..."Just because you can, does not mean you should"
Well I thought the scary thing about the episode and recent advances in robotics is if we don't install a protecal that recognizes if a human beings life is at risk or to stop its movement and goes to shut down mode or calls for help if any one of its actions causes some either injury or death. If we get that comfortable with robots causing or doing that much damage to humans everyday the truth is it will get out of hand one day...then who is to blame lead programmers, maybe the owner/main investor or is it the community think tank that should be blamed for not thinking of the right protocols?
Is his pinky missing?
11:20 Anyone notice this guy doesn't have a pinky on his right hand?
Maybe it was snipped off as a warning to watch what he says to the public, hahaha...
The fear of high ability robots is ultimately a fear of the HUMAN determining it's goal.
Yes -- PLUS the robot is seemingly intelligent but impervious to reasoning, argument, and discussions of good versus evil, intentionality versus accidental mistakes, etc.
I've seen a psychological study on why humans have fears of robots. Well, it depends I guess. If the robot is human-like, the flaws in what we see are creepy to us. If the robot is more animal like, we immediately have sympathy for them. This is the majority of people from what I understand. I'm pretty sure it was in a Vsauce video where they named a robot cockroach and when the people were asked to smash it with a hammer, they had issues with that. lol. It's interesting and something worthwhile checking out. I wish I remember the exact video.
I don't understand the confusion here. No one is suggesting the robots are going to go wild all by themselves. We are just painfully aware that they will become weaponised. How hard is that to understand? Its got nothing to do with terminator movies, and everything to do with the history of weaponisation that terminator is based on.
They must be bad , they are on War of worlds too.
The would not be a horror genre of movies if culturally, we didn't enjoy, on some level of being afraid.
Those black mirror robots; are obviously set up to kill undesirables. Especially over teddys.
This guy is so far removed from reality it's almost amazing.
its all good till someone hacks a spot
Spot was patrolling parks in Singapore. Issuing announcements about masks etc.
Imagine some moores law on that one.
10 times faster
3 times the size.
100 times smarter.
10 times stronger.
Teazzzer teargas and capabiloty to deploy a few some minidrones.
Survivors will be looking at this video or they will remember it.
Russ is missing his pinky finger. Robot lunch.
It was snipped off as a warning to watch what he says during interviews, lol.
if you build a robot dog to go after humans you can also build a robot dog to go after the robot dogs attacking humans.
As long as you can afford to...
Dear Mr Fridman and Mr Tedrake, Thank you Mr Fridman for showcasing some of the most talented people in the world. You are not only one of the most influential people in the world, you are doing it to make the world a better place and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we are all better off and more informed since you began doing videocasts. For the robotic fantasies people have, I think that we have to realize that people are afraid of rogue robots malfunctioning because of artificially enhanced intelligence systems that go berserk, because our sixth sense is way ahead of anything our minds can see coming this way. The sixth sense is buried so far in most people’s consciousness that they aren’t even aware they’re tuning in, whereas others who have been fortunate enough to flick on the on switch at some point in their lives can actually use it like a tool. I’m speaking for men though, because I think women have a better relationship with their inner voice or intuition than men do. Therefore, if we look at all of the other things people believed would someday happen, we can see that there is a correlation between imagining things and the things actually happening, like going in space. Today we have people who believe we will be able to travel at light-speed, and to travel through time, or become cyborgs. For myself, I think it’s because, in our minds, our sixth senses can see that these things are real and that they’re coming someday soon to a planet like ours. Be well -
We enjoy the horror of an apocalypse because we want a challenge in our lives
People assigning their scripts and schemas to Spot which have been “horror biased” could explain the widespread conception. Also some could just be joking, half serious or like Lex said, amused at their unease.
There's a difference between a human acting like a robot and a robot acting like a human. As far as our feelings towards them go. When you watch the Terminator you're probably not creeped out by him. When you see a life-like robot it's a whole different experience.
It’s definitely a cultural rather than human thing
I agree. I dont think there is something that we are born with that makes us enjoy those things.
Yeah dude, the margin for making mistakes, is already razor thin. People have already proven they cant be responsible and respectful to others, with toy drones.
Having robotics increase surveillance and policing would be a really hot ethical debate. Anyone want to start? Haha
Robots are fascinating, but scary. People watch robot movies and believe it's possible. The Terminator is the example.
It's not too hard to build a gun into spot and program it to shoot anyone it identifies as human. It's not too hard to build a poison dart gun into a quad copter drone and program it to shoot anyone it identifies as human. We could totally do this today.
Its when you give a robot citizenship at that point when you need to question wtf is going on and should I be concerned.
As if AI would care about such a thing. All the "rules" we live by dont exist to machines
it has already happened in japan, supposedly the robot was able to hack into a satelite and put itself back together... the whole story i=s crazy
Spot is less likely to go rogue, however the fact that robotics as advanced as spot are now for sale allows for an opportunity for a rogue agent to make use of these tools the same way the rest of society can. Imagine a War Games style scenario using robots with weapons being controlled by a child who thinks they’re playing a game with the “most realistic graphics ever”
Meh. Idk.
Should we fear it? How heavily can they arm it?
It could probably be programmed to do this by someone
Not probably. Definitely.
He definitely knows they will be used for evil. But he's getting paid so he lets it go.
"The department of defense has given me unlimited funding for my research... but don't worry... "
(Smugly) : "I made them PROMISE that they will never use it as a weapon."
@@bobinthewest8559 Yeah
This cat sound pretty stoned
People seem to overestimate our ability to give robots general agency. By the time we are technically capable of doing what is done in that episode of Black Mirror, most of the rest of the world would seem extremely alien to us.
"Such is the world in which we find ourselves - a world which, judged by the only acceptable criterion of progress, is manifestly in regression. Technological advance is rapid. But without progress in charity, technological advance is useless. Indeed, it is worse than useless. Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards." - Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means, An Enquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods employed for their Realization, 1938.
"There is much about the wickedness and arrogance of the rich. Have I said this? It is not only they who are wicked and arrogant, and no man can be called wicked just because he is rich. Wealth does not necessarily serve evil. What matters is how persons deal with the inheritance entrusted to them, not only riches but also strength, beauty or talent. Search your own hearts before condemning others."
"I speak to you as a warner and I warn against the ways of evil men. They are selfish men unheedful of the good of others, the good which includes them. Their thoughts do not extend beyond themselves and their own, they seek to isolate themselves from mankind when the good of mankind is an issue. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done, they do not understand the nature of good conduct and the path of Truth. They say, "Mankind has no need of goodness, it has no moral foundation. There is no way of knowing Truth, there is no Supreme Spirit, no Creating God. All creation is the result of chance, and lust is the only cause of birth. The only purpose of life is an earthly one, we begin and end in the dust".
Set in the ways of this belief, these unconscious soulspirits dutifully serve the cause of evil, working, though they know not, for the destruction of mankind. They taint their soulspirits with unrestricted desires and stain them with uncontrolled urges. Full of arrogance and deceit they ride, rough-shod, over the spiritual inclinations of others and hold fast to their own dark belief. Their destructive work is carried on in the name of progress.
Yet with all they have they are unhappy and discontented. They are loaded with many unnecessary cares and their restless thoughts never give them peace. They fruitlessly seek happiness in sensual enjoyments, in pleasure and gaiety, in the frivolities of life, in drinking and gambling, in luxury and ease, firmly believing they will find it there, that life can offer no more. They are bound fast with fetters of worldliness, they are blind and insensitive to anything else. They seethe within; anger, spitefulness, indignation and malice are relieving outlets. They seek refuge in lies and deceit, they hope for relief in outbursts of temper, in lust and sensuality and in foul language. Their only aim is to amass wealth and possessions, or to live a life of idleness and ease, they cannot understand what drives them on. They say, "What I have I have earned, it is my own, with it I will acquire whatever I need to satisfy my desires. I have amassed riches, I am praised and honoured. I can buy what I desire, I will enjoy life, I am a success, who else is like me? I give charity, I fulfil my religious obligations, I am sought after by those who need advice and help. I live comfortably, I eat well, I have all I need".
This they say, but are they really happy and at peace, are they really successful having all they want? No, they speak from the darkness of delusion, though they know not. They have been deceived by the trap of earthly conditions, they have fallen prey to the alluring phantoms of the senses. They are entangled in a net of delusion, they wander in the deep fog of illusion. They are slaves to their urges, captives of their cravings, they are bound and helpless in a chariot drawn by runaway horses, carried swiftly towards the yawning abyss. Week men become drunk with heady draughts of power and riches, they are carried away by their own arrogance and conceit. They try to turn earthly condition towards serving their own ends and struggle futilely against The Law. Willing slaves of arrogance and selfishness, helpless victims in the stormy seas of rage, lust and violence, these servants of evil hate the divinity within themselves. They hate and fear the small still voice inside. They stifle it, they smother it under the loud clamour of gaiety. They seek solace in strong wine, in sense-stimulation entertainment and in spirit-poisoning drugs.
Stand aside, let them be carried swiftly to the place of sorrow and vain regret! Hear my voice and do not fall into the trap of worldliness, do not fall willing victims to the allurements of phantoms. Long for reality, be satisfied with nothing less than Truth. Do not reject the scriptures, study them carefully and you will have a guide through life. They will reveal the right and the wrong, follow their light, do what has to be done, no more is expected of you. Heed what I say, for I am your friend." - The Kolbrin, Wisdom of the Ages, The Book of the Silver Bough once known as The Book of Sacred Scripts, Chapter Six, The Teachings of Elidor 5.
trust is important
We don't enjoy being afraid, unless it is in a 'safe space', we are trying to figure out what are the real warnings.... the cautionary tales...
I respect my company
He obviously has never heard of " Skynet! "
My fear is who is programing the robot and what they are programing the robot to do?
that episode wasn't about robots going rogue. it showed counterinsurgency and territorial control with robots. think of inner city neighbourhoods or Palestine or other occupied territories.
Sword to gun to robot
Translation: "hey, we're getting paid tons of money to do this, so please shut up and pretend nothing can go wrong"
It can shoot.. But will it Bite ???
1970:
"Does your dog bite?"
2030:
"Does your dog fire its gatling gun and launch grenades?"