Good tip when filtering between lanes of traffic, is beware of the gaps! The most likely time for a vehicle to switch lanes in hurry is when a gap has opened up in the other lane for them to move into, especially if the other lane is moving faster.
Great video. I too wouldn’t pull up in front of the car at those lights as that’s Shirley High Street and they come down wide from right. A good example of where you can get caught out. In the fly over, there’s a lot get their phone out before heading into Totton whilst at the Newman lights, so probably best to stay in traffic and lose a minute or two.
Spot on Katie. What a state this country is now. I consider that having been born in ‘52 I experienced the best of days of this nation. I am one of those that fear for my offspring, but because of family roots and ties, I cannot think about upping and offing. If my situation was different then I would……. I feel sick to my stomach for all those lads and families who gave so much in WW2, only for this country to be the mess it is now….
Love watching Police motorcyclists ride. They make it look very easy. Thoroughly recommend the Bike Safe scheme. Great fun and pick up some very useful tips. Great video guys. Many Thanks.
Superb informative video. Thank you. I am sure that the Southampton Bike Night members will find this as helpful and informative as I have. Would be great to see you guys there too. Maybe the 'Bike Safe' team with their new BMW 1000RR?
When he spoke about not going faster than 15 mph than other vehicles being overtaken what he meant was that they were going at a slow speed. Its no use filtering at 70 mph through traffic that is going at say 55 mph. Its got to be considered to be reasonable. To some authorities one should not be filtering if the other vehicles are doing 20 mph or above . Don't forget that on a wet or damp road your braking distance is doubled so you speed in overtaking should be less. Take that into account and also understand that as much of your riding in the filter will be on the wet white lines, that when wet they can be slippier and thus more dangerous. There was a case recently where the rider was actually on the far side, the wrong side of a road and by his own admission was doing some 45 mph whilst passing two lanes of traffic were stopped on his nearside. That to me is not a filter its an overtake. What happened was that he was hit by a vehicle exiting a junction he did not see to his nearside and the stopped traffic had given him space to come out Something that is advised in the H.C. . The driver then continued out and collided with the motorcyclist. To my mind both the driver and the motorcyclist were to some degree to blame as he should not overtake when approaching any junction be they nearside or offside and he failed to see the gap that other stopped traffic had left at that junction. S whilst the driver was wrong and apparently admitted that the rider should have been apportioned some degree of blame. In the first court case he was and he took the case to a higher court of appeal and there it was found in his favour that he had done nothing wrong as his defence council only mentioned that he was 'filtering' and that filtering was legal. . The court Judge failed to realise or was badly informed that there was a difference between filtering and actually overtaking which to my mind he was at that time.
I rarely filter if I do I make sure I know what's going on around an infront of me at a safe speed thanks for the vid can help greatly with people with less experience
The brake lights on cars in stationary traffic give you confidence they are not about to move especially buses, maybe a rear handbrake light on cars could be beneficial to other road users, pharhaps an old smoke detector adapted to beeb whilst filtering would help notify pedestrians of a bike filtering.
I don't know why, but most drivers only use their handbrake when they have the engine off. My car has a hill start system designed for drivers who always hold the car with the footbrake, but with a manual I find I have better control with the handbrake on a hill
Hey! I’m doing an educational video on Filtering/Lane splitting around the world. Do you mind If I use a short clip from this video? Full credit will be given! Ride Safe!
15mph over the speed of the traffic being passed is just a little quick imo. This is my take on filtering and you all possibly have your own rules, but this is my way, not saying it's perfect but it's served me well over many years ...I've been filtering in Essex and commuting to London on and off since 1966 with few mishaps ... a few arguments … many avoidances by paying attention ... AVOID Royal Mail vans like the plague ... the reason is, … once they finish their deliveries for the day they can go home so they drive like complete idiots all over London particularly, and they drive dangerously ... that used to always be the case anyway ... I assume it still is. I wrote this some years back so could be different today. (I no longer commute to London btw.) … Look for people on their phones or looking down, distracted in any way and not looking in mirrors, or looking the other way if they’re about to emerge from a side street ... many bikers don't check for this ...look for eye contact … if not had, be VERY cautious! Get away from traffic lights fairly sharpish but bear in mind light jumpers coming from your right or left, do not assume that vehicles will stop at their red light ... filter at a speed about 5 to 10 mph above speed of surrounding traffic not much more and be prepared to move over to allow the kamikaze rider to pass you, again, always be aware of who is behind you, to the side of you and ahead of you as well as who is likely to be ahead of you pretty soon (lane changers etc.) ... look for gaps in traffic when filtering in dual carriageways, … vehicles will often take any gap available wanting to make better progress ... for example, two moving cars alongside each other present no threat to a motorcyclist but a car or van etc. with nothing next to it presents danger as you approach, … that gap is there for the driver to take and he’ll often, … very quickly, take it ... Best not to filter at all when traffic is moving at a constant speed above 30mph or so and with no sign of stop-start situations.
Great video thank you for taking the time and effort to create and share. May I ask one question up to what speed would you consider filtering ok? Up to 50mph, or situation dependent?
In situations like that if traffic is moving on the other lane I wouldn't recommend filtering unless both sides are at a standstill however if one starts moving you join that lane ASAP saves a truck going by an accidently clipping you throwing you off
Thanks for sharing I can be genuinely progressive when appropriate, balancing this against risk & conflict reduction. Comments should be read in this context. 1.05.... Narrow gap offside to van, (including in van o/s blind spot).....Mini in L2 afforded rider more space after drop in. 1:35..... Yaris had set a static front safety gap, then shortened & dictated by rider. BMW driver, (window open), aware of m/c but would not know intentions of closely positioned rider. Static when on/over hazard line , (NOT a solid), perhaps not ideal in eyes of some. Fine line between assertion & causing others to change position/speed. I wonder how tolerant many riders would be if drivers positioned similarly close to motorcycles in queues. Far better filtering here than often seen on UK roads....Roger clearly an experienced police instructor/rider & used to making progress, (including filtering on blues & two's).
If passing vehicles and one is on the offside of the road, whether on your own side or over the white line its then an overtake and not a filter. Do not place yourself in the position where oncoming cars are moving over to avoid you, that is not only a S. 3 offence but dangerous to yourself and to all other road users. .
That would be me at the moment, though it’s more nerves than cba. Reading and watching as much as possible before putting into practice as I’ve only been riding a month or so.
Should not be filtering at any speed over 15 mph of the speed of other traffic. So does that mean that if the traffic is doing say 50 mph its ok to filter through and that means between that traffic at speeds up to 65 mph. I don't think that that would be recommended at all. Filtering should only be done at slower speeds. Overtaking yes, filtering no. When it comes to filtering at speed then what we must remember is that a police officer who is required to be somewhere fast can basically do what he wants or needs to do in order to perform that duty and its correct that he can. So if he needed to ride at100 mph then he can do so, he can go through lights etc. and he is trained to filter through traffic in order to be able to fulfill his requirement to save life or protect property. We must admit to ourselves that we are not police officers with a duty to perform and that we are civilians and must appreciate that whilst the police and other emergency service personnel are trained in advanced riding techniques in order to do their job we are not police officers and therefore we should not be placing ourselves in such an insidious position.
Sorry don't agree.Was it safe? No.Was it necessary? No.How many seconds did you save? If you were on a shout yes absolutely! But filtering up to traffic lights,with hardly any room? For what you gain,you might as well just stay in line.Few seconds of your life for a chance of a broken leg? Or worse!
Good tip when filtering between lanes of traffic, is beware of the gaps! The most likely time for a vehicle to switch lanes in hurry is when a gap has opened up in the other lane for them to move into, especially if the other lane is moving faster.
Yep .. agreed!
Great video - very helpful. Can we have more please?
Hi, I’m back in the saddle after a long break from biking. Your videos are excellent. I learned road craft when I was in the job. Thanks
Great video. I too wouldn’t pull up in front of the car at those lights as that’s Shirley High Street and they come down wide from right. A good example of where you can get caught out. In the fly over, there’s a lot get their phone out before heading into Totton whilst at the Newman lights, so probably best to stay in traffic and lose a minute or two.
Could you do some more of these videos please 👍🏍
Thank you so much.
I don't know who you are but you have my respect as a person and a policeman.
Awesome video! Lots of info in a nice short clip. Not too authoritative, just nice and advisory. Excellent!
More please!
Spot on Katie. What a state this country is now. I consider that having been born in ‘52 I experienced the best of days of this nation. I am one of those that fear for my offspring, but because of family roots and ties, I cannot think about upping and offing. If my situation was different then I would……. I feel sick to my stomach for all those lads and families who gave so much in WW2, only for this country to be the mess it is now….
We so need more of these. Please!
Love watching Police motorcyclists ride. They make it look very easy. Thoroughly recommend the Bike Safe scheme. Great fun and pick up some very useful tips. Great video guys. Many Thanks.
Thanks, good solid sensible advice. More like this from authoritative sources would be welcome. I'll be sure to share this.
Thank you. For the advice Would be nice to see look-alike videos from police officers in our country too.
Superb informative video. Thank you. I am sure that the Southampton Bike Night members will find this as helpful and informative as I have. Would be great to see you guys there too. Maybe the 'Bike Safe' team with their new BMW 1000RR?
When he spoke about not going faster than 15 mph than other vehicles being overtaken what he meant was that they were going at a slow speed. Its no use filtering at 70 mph through traffic that is going at say 55 mph. Its got to be considered to be reasonable. To some authorities one should not be filtering if the other vehicles are doing 20 mph or above . Don't forget that on a wet or damp road your braking distance is doubled so you speed in overtaking should be less. Take that into account and also understand that as much of your riding in the filter will be on the wet white lines, that when wet they can be slippier and thus more dangerous.
There was a case recently where the rider was actually on the far side, the wrong side of a road and by his own admission was doing some 45 mph whilst passing two lanes of traffic were stopped on his nearside. That to me is not a filter its an overtake.
What happened was that he was hit by a vehicle exiting a junction he did not see to his nearside and the stopped traffic had given him space to come out Something that is advised in the H.C. . The driver then continued out and collided with the motorcyclist. To my mind both the driver and the motorcyclist were to some degree to blame as he should not overtake when approaching any junction be they nearside or offside and he failed to see the gap that other stopped traffic had left at that junction. S whilst the driver was wrong and apparently admitted that the rider should have been apportioned some degree of blame.
In the first court case he was and he took the case to a higher court of appeal and there it was found in his favour that he had done nothing wrong as his defence council only mentioned that he was 'filtering' and that filtering was legal. . The court Judge failed to realise or was badly informed that there was a difference between filtering and actually overtaking which to my mind he was at that time.
Great video. The funny thing is that I've found it through one of the Polish websites about the motorcycles and safety ;-)
would like to see more videos with riding tips
I rarely filter if I do I make sure I know what's going on around an infront of me at a safe speed thanks for the vid can help greatly with people with less experience
Excellent - more vids please!
The brake lights on cars in stationary traffic give you confidence they are not about to move especially buses, maybe a rear handbrake light on cars could be beneficial to other road users, pharhaps an old smoke detector adapted to beeb whilst filtering would help notify pedestrians of a bike filtering.
I don't know why, but most drivers only use their handbrake when they have the engine off. My car has a hill start system designed for drivers who always hold the car with the footbrake, but with a manual I find I have better control with the handbrake on a hill
Shared with South Coast Riders, Facebook group.
Great video. That's a nice bike, is it a CBR 650 or a CBF 1000?
Hey! I’m doing an educational video on Filtering/Lane splitting around the world. Do you mind If I use a short clip from this video? Full credit will be given! Ride Safe!
Mirror check instead of a lifesaver when moving off??
15mph over the speed of the traffic being passed is just a little quick imo.
This is my take on filtering and you all possibly have your own rules, but this is my way, not saying it's perfect but it's served me well over many years ...I've been filtering in Essex and commuting to London on and off since 1966 with few mishaps ... a few arguments … many avoidances by paying attention ... AVOID Royal Mail vans like the plague ... the reason is, … once they finish their deliveries for the day they can go home so they drive like complete idiots all over London particularly, and they drive dangerously ... that used to always be the case anyway ... I assume it still is. I wrote this some years back so could be different today.
(I no longer commute to London btw.) … Look for people on their phones or looking down, distracted in any way and not looking in mirrors, or looking the other way if they’re about to emerge from a side street ... many bikers don't check for this ...look for eye contact … if not had, be VERY cautious! Get away from traffic lights fairly sharpish but bear in mind light jumpers coming from your right or left, do not assume that vehicles will stop at their red light ... filter at a speed about 5 to 10 mph above speed of surrounding traffic not much more and be prepared to move over to allow the kamikaze rider to pass you, again, always be aware of who is behind you, to the side of you and ahead of you as well as who is likely to be ahead of you pretty soon (lane changers etc.) ... look for gaps in traffic when filtering in dual carriageways, … vehicles will often take any gap available wanting to make better progress ... for example, two moving cars alongside each other present no threat to a motorcyclist but a car or van etc. with nothing next to it presents danger as you approach, … that gap is there for the driver to take and he’ll often, … very quickly, take it ... Best not to filter at all when traffic is moving at a constant speed above 30mph or so and with no sign of stop-start situations.
Good to know Iv been doing this the whole time
Thank you gents, much appreciated!
Great video thank you for taking the time and effort to create and share. May I ask one question up to what speed would you consider filtering ok? Up to 50mph, or situation dependent?
In situations like that if traffic is moving on the other lane I wouldn't recommend filtering unless both sides are at a standstill however if one starts moving you join that lane ASAP saves a truck going by an accidently clipping you throwing you off
Awesome! This needs sharing! I will - WILL YOU?! ;)
Thanks for sharing
I can be genuinely progressive when appropriate, balancing this against risk & conflict reduction. Comments should be read in this context.
1.05....
Narrow gap offside to van, (including in van o/s blind spot).....Mini in L2 afforded rider more space after drop in.
1:35.....
Yaris had set a static front safety gap, then shortened & dictated by rider. BMW driver, (window open), aware of m/c but would not know intentions of closely positioned rider. Static when on/over hazard line , (NOT a solid), perhaps not ideal in eyes of some.
Fine line between assertion & causing others to change position/speed.
I wonder how tolerant many riders would be if drivers positioned similarly close to motorcycles in queues.
Far better filtering here than often seen on UK roads....Roger clearly an experienced police instructor/rider & used to making progress, (including filtering on blues & two's).
If passing vehicles and one is on the offside of the road, whether on your own side or over the white line its then an overtake and not a filter. Do not place yourself in the position where oncoming cars are moving over to avoid you, that is not only a S. 3 offence but dangerous to yourself and to all other road users. .
Fantastic- thank you.
Good video, however you may want to explain nearside and offside to people.
THX!
The biggest nuisance whilst filtering is other bikes that can't be bothered to filter so just get in the way!
That would be me at the moment, though it’s more nerves than cba. Reading and watching as much as possible before putting into practice as I’ve only been riding a month or so.
More of these
Should not be filtering at any speed over 15 mph of the speed of other traffic. So does that mean that if the traffic is doing say 50 mph its ok to filter through and that means between that traffic at speeds up to 65 mph. I don't think that that would be recommended at all. Filtering should only be done at slower speeds. Overtaking yes, filtering no.
When it comes to filtering at speed then what we must remember is that a police officer who is required to be somewhere fast can basically do what he wants or needs to do in order to perform that duty and its correct that he can. So if he needed to ride at100 mph then he can do so, he can go through lights etc. and he is trained to filter through traffic in order to be able to fulfill his requirement to save life or protect property.
We must admit to ourselves that we are not police officers with a duty to perform and that we are civilians and must appreciate that whilst the police and other emergency service personnel are trained in advanced riding techniques in order to do their job we are not police officers and therefore we should not be placing ourselves in such an insidious position.
Do not filter at speed!
I ride safe and sensible and still get taken down by incompetent drivers
drivers as in plural? ... you say this as being a regular thing?
Oddjob Triumph yeah I've been taken down 9 times
@@PHILIPWATSON82 maybe the problem is you
@@PHILIPWATSON82 and by maybe I mean definitely
You will need a bacon sandwich after all that riding
Sorry don't agree.Was it safe? No.Was it necessary? No.How many seconds did you save? If you were on a shout yes absolutely! But filtering up to traffic lights,with hardly any room? For what you gain,you might as well just stay in line.Few seconds of your life for a chance of a broken leg? Or worse!
I don't think you have ever ridden a motorcycle.
I don't think you ride. Lol
also it was a video about filtering not much point if he didn't err filter
Let's just sit at the back of the queue and have some twonk rear end us while we're at it.