The Bible say that the Levites who were the musicians were paid(right along with the other Levites)from the tithes the Israelites paid. Who are church leaders to do different? It is sinful. Paul said "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain" and it is a phrase that appears in the Bible in 1 Timothy 5:18 and Deuteronomy 25:4. The phrase means that it's unfair to prevent an ox from eating grain while it's working because it needs the food to replenish its strength. Why are church musicians treated different? We need financial replenishment. We work hard at our craft and nothing less than excellence is demanded from us. I’ll answer…we are treated different because of greed and guilt based on manipulation which is sin. I literally studied this out so I can go at preachers and evangelists and none of them could tell me I’m wrong. And if they did I’d aske them…”Sooo…you’re saying you know more than God?”…and they shut right up.
I agree and im guilty of this also… for us musicians let’s not treat the church as another gig or a way to fill our pockets . Remember god gets the glory and we playing to lift him up.
@@cgDRUMS.I mean, if the people of the church want to bless the pastor with an offering, so be it. Same can be said with the musicians too but I think it’s good to have an actual sustainable job with benefits at the end of the day instead of just being a musician full time. Especially, how are economy is now with prices for consumable goods and services being at an all time high and church gigs or gigs in general don’t pay enough to help you pay bills and other expenses.
@@Idkitzjushdc I hear you, but we should at least get something. Especially if we’re putting in hours of our time throughout the week to prepare. I’m not saying I’m expecting wages to cover all my bills etc, only for the 8 to 10 hours I’m putting in to prepare
@@cgDRUMS.that’s valid, mainly if you’re going to someone else’s church and you’re putting in time and effort to learn their songs and whatnot but if it’s your own it’s different. At least the way I see it.
You are worth every bit bro. Praying for your family Tony. Josh thank you for the content and pray that your channel grows to self sustaining levels above and beyond bro. 🙏🏾
Bro, the caliber of musicians you are interviewing is incredible. We've heard them recording after recording bring that heat every time. And churches want that experience at their services. Ok then.....
I played for a church for years and never got paid intil my stepdad said i should be getting paid then the pastor was like yea we gonna pay you $20 a Sunday but i also started asking for blessings from the church so i could pay my bills
I agree with this dude. First staring out my heart was in wrong place and things went south. Ended up being humbled and surrounded myself with level headed musicians. That's when things changed.
One thing thats would be nice josh is if you could ask all the drummers how they practice like you did witg calvin then make a playlist for it. Alot of people would want to be inside the mind kf their favorite drummers. Thanks bro good job.
I was playing for a church I was a member for for 10 years so when the drummer passed I decided to play and ask them for something they said I volunteered but they paid the other musicians the disrespect but I actually needed help
It should depend on the church. If I was playing/singing at a megachurch I would be much more comfortable asking for compensation because they can afford it. If I played at a small church I'd be more investing in helping than being helped. But I would be very clear to the pastor that what I was doing was volunteer work, and that I need to provide for my family so there may be some services where I have to take other work for the sake of paying my bills, or I will have to hold down a 9-5 so I can provide and still play here. HOWEVER no matter the size of the ministry, If God spoke to me and told me not to take any pay obviously I'm working for free cuz that's GOD
I'm dealing with a traumatized pastor now. They literally will not hire an MD who will work and teach etc vs this who just shows up on Sundays (it's chaos). Mind you it's for the same amount as the guy who's always late on Sunday. As a drummer that's frustrating. Not mention what's being paid to me for said chaos..... most wouldn't do it.
You guys are on point. I'm glad somebody. Have the. Heart. To. Say whats going. On. People want say nothing about this because is the. church. Yes guys. Thank. You
I agree with some of these points. The one thing that was said about why Churches may not pay musicians like the world from my generation is because being a drummer 53 years old in my generation: We Had A Day Job. We didn’t require the Church to care of us and our family unless we ran into a financial crisis. When COVID happened, I was driving Uber on top of my main job. To the younger generation of drummers and those who went to college, Some Churches are Discreet about paying musicians High Salaries because they have been Prostituted where they went to The Board to plea on your behalf for that salary. Then, the musician(s) leave for another Church because they Trumped the first Church by $300 more. I agree with Tony on the Heart issue. Basically, Workman Worthy Of Their Hire and just like a marriage you can only do your part as long as the spouse do their part in the partnership.
I always say they show more love in the world… they feed you… you get some breaks in between sets, drink tickets, you get paid, you get promoted on their flyers… some churches show alot of love but many show absolutely none… play and go home lol
Most people who say "I never got paid and I don't mind", it's because it ain't taking your time and money. A lot of musicians only do Sunday service at their local church, and 1 rehearsal a week. Y'all ain't never had to travel 100s of miles weekly, spend 1000s on gear, so much that it ain't easy to keep a regular 9-5 job. It's not about expectation, we get paid because doing all that free ain't feasible, unless you start asking people to borrow money to suit this new lifestyle, which becomes another problem 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
I play drums at 2 churches, 1st & 3rd Sundays at the 2nd church, and 2nd & 4th Sundays at my Home church regularly and for district meetings. I've only asked them to feed me. I'm paid $25 at my Home church and $60 at my 2nd church. Do you know how many sermons I've heard how musicians shouldn't be paid?
Love you Guys! This might be applicable in the USA but in Europe this is a way more difficult topic in certain countries . Also because there is way less money in most churches so there is no salary in many churches. Bless you guys and keep going !!
Being a musician is skilled labor. Musicians love the Lord the same way the ushers do but anyone can be an usher where no just anybody can go up there and play drums, guitar, or keys. That’s why you need to pay musicians.
To all the people saying that all musicians should play for God and not expect anything else…If you are putting in 5 hours to learn a song, 2 hours to rehearse with the band, 2 hours to teach it to others, buying gear, showing up early to soundcheck and have final rehearsals before services, I feel like it is perfectly acceptable for you to expect to be compensated. If churches don’t want to pay musicians, then they have to be ok with a piano player showing up at service time, having the congregation open the hymnals and do the same old thing every service. Pastors and Churches can’t fairly expect a professional sounding band/Vocalists and new, fresh songs for free. It’s silly. The fact that this is still an issue is silly.
I don’t mind getting paid for playing for The Lord, both of these churches are able to do so while I’m able to take care of things at home, but I don’t look at it as a gig. It’s WORSHIP ❤
I've always felt that no one should be getting paid for being in ministry. The staff and the keyboard player gets paid but the singers and other musicians don't that doesn't make sense. That's why I have a job and God takes care of the rest! Me being a drummer in my church I would never ask for a dime because I play unto the Lord not man!
The thing is, if the musician is doing this full time, then they have to be compensated to pay bills and have a consistent salary for their family. Singers get paid too, it's just not as common as musicians. There are cooks for church functions, and there are professional chefs. Some of the cooks are professional. I have never heard anyone tell professional chefs they shouldn't be paid. Churches even pay chefs to cater some events. I just think when it comes to musicians, there's a stigma with it.
If churches don’t want to pay, then don’t request for your musicians to sound like professionals. Also, take musicians out of the church and see how much that church grows.
Me personally I do not care about being paid, the most important thing is to live for Christ, I am concerned for some church musicians they play in church on Sunday but they listen and play to unGodly music and artist who hate Christ! I’m not saying all music is bad but as a Christian we have to live a certain way!
I think the problem we run into with getting paid vs not getting paid is we are comparing apples to oranges. A drummer at the level of Joshua Crawford or Tony Taylor Jr is much higher than the next level down which is a good drummer but works full time some where else and plays drums semi-professionally. Then the next level is a good drummer that is a hobbyist that can listen to a professional drummer and mimic his chops. Then the next level is a hobbyist that is simply a drummer that can keep a beat in 4/4 or 3/4 but the groove is always the same. It's hard to say where does the cut off of drummers that get paid is. I don't have the answer for this. Perhaps someone in the comments can come up with the answer.
Alright say we playing for the world (to the ones who say musicians shouldn’t be paid in church) and there is no time to go to a free rehearsal for church because you’re busy learning for your actual music job and it so happens that now you have to play on Sundays too so only time you have to worship GOD through your music is when you have some alone time at home, but now your getting paid from your church where you can be fully devoted to the body of Christ is that so Bad? Does he not say your gift will make room for you? Who were the levites and what happened when they left and why?
Church musicians Do Not rely upon making a living off being a church musician. You can still be a great musician and have a main job outside of the church. Your value will go up because they will understand that you don't have to be there however real worshipers will understand your dedication to the ministry and compensate through other areas. I find that this works a whole lot better than relying upon the church to provide over 50 t0 75 % of a yearly income. God has a way to bless church musicians outside of the church because of your sacrifice. In return true ministry will be a blessing back to you.
Because it ain't taking your time. Do you understand what it means to travel 100s of miles, multiple times a week, spend hours rehearsing. To the point you don't have time for a regular job? How you gonna pay your bills? Look after your children if you got some?
@@shonuff718 It depends. Playing Sunday service for about 1 to 2 hours, with 1 rehearsals for about 2 hours, is not the same as playing on multiple days, across the country for gospel conferences and church services.
@@manofculture8666 I definitely agree … it’s not the same … now here’s the thing of it all … Most churches are not following Christ … That makes a difference … so if the pastor is getting paid , then all bets are off …anything goes …
What he's referring to is not the norm for a bulk of church musicians. Grasping for straws on some of these examples. I grew up playing for my dad's church, I've played professionally, played in marching band, etc, but I never got paid legit until I was almost 50 years old. I never really even considered getting paid for using a gift that God gave me. The gift is payment to me. Now if I was playing for New Birth, Potters House, Elevation Church, etc, then yeah more than likely they're I'm gonna need to be on the payroll. They're doing multiple services in a week, the exposure is greater. Here's another thing to consider, of you're playing at a church with 10 members then yeah I'm not expecting to be able to quit my day job. So it's all situational. Nobody is forcing you to play. I grew up in a church and churches where I was literally was the ONLY musician. I've been in church where they took up an offering for the organist and didn't give me, the drummer anything. So that's another story where the drummer is not as valued as the other musicians. Especially is Pentecostal churches, they value organists very highly. Bottom line again, if you don't want to play for them, don't.
Bro just hit the nail on the head! The very thing that church is supposed to be about is the very thing they lack the most. Relationships are non existent. Even if churches can’t pay what you deserve, if the relationship, recognition and appreciation is there, we will go above and beyond. However, many churches underpay and undervalue musicians and on top of that we are treated as the help when next to the Word, worship is the cornerstone.
Not to mention churches expect you to use your endorsements to promote the church and let’s be real musicians should be paid because you can hold the musicians accountable but it’s up to you it’s about if they can afford it and if you’re willing to compromise
What is my salvation and worship to a few hundred bucks a Sunday? I will never rob The Lord of what belongs to him. I Serve willingly and gladly. My reward is in heaven, not on earth.
I didn't know the church band gets paid, I used to play at my father's church and I was never paid anything. Who gets paid in church🤔, I mean it's a church
Musicians are worthy of compensation for their services - the Bible says that the laborer is worthy of his or her wages. Musicians invest time, finances, education, and devotion to God for the cultivation of their craft. What musicians do isn’t not easy because it is a prophetic calling by God that can’t be replicated. It’s a legitimate occupation. Musicians have families, spouses, and expenses. Real Christians with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding will agree with this message.
Jesus will appreciate what you do if it’s from the heart, if you need the appreciation of men then you might not fully understand what it is you are doing. The problem is not getting paid, it’s the wanting of being payed. Jesus paid for every single one of your sins and faults yet he does not charge you a penny for it. If the Lord….God, the absolute being and creator of everything gave his life for us for free! What right do we have to ask for money or ponder on it for a talent that he ultimately gave us? Give to Cesar what is of Cesar and give on to God what is of God. We should not worry about building treasures here, worry about building treasures in heaven. God appreciates you and I even though he doesn’t have to. God don’t need us bro, he don’t need no pro musicians or scholars or people with doctorates therefore we shouldn’t carry ourselves as believing we are Essential to his work because we ain’t man. Believe me when I say I’ve had to learn this myself the hard way. God loves you bro, don’t ever forget that, if your heart is really on Him, He will supply everything you may need one way or another.
The churches don't value they drummers they choose favorites and the pastors don't either I ain't feel like I was part of the church I just play and leave ain't got no recognition only one time this little girl walked up to me told me she liked the way I played the drums that made my day. TONY TAYLOR SAID IT BEST I BEEN THERE.
@terry7044 I get what you're saying...just had to read it 2-3 times to get a full picture. All musicians need to be treated fairly, and paid in my opinion, and definitely respected....glad the lil girl gave you your well deserved props.
Pastors take home millions and living lavish lifestyles but than you stiffle your workers that has responsibilities...when a church is in a position to pay workers than they should....too much ministers live lavish yet they aware of some workers going home hungry
Hey say this they will pay a pastor to come and preach 30 minutes, will give 1,000 dollars to receive what God has because the the prophet said so, but on the same coin, you can’t be greedy or make it bout money all the time cause you lose focus shoot in some cases churches will spend 600 for a person to stay at a hotel but will let you stay in a car 😂 but as a musician you gotta be dependable and also you gotta show your commitment.
It sounds like you all are conflating issues. Are you all talking about being hired as a musician at a church, or being a member and being put on pay roll. These are not the same issues. I am a musician and an Executive Pastor. I see two sides and there are communication failures on both sides.
These are not reasons for church musicians to be paid. And for this to be justified so out of line means to say that you are treating churches as a job and not your offering unto God. The doctor is working and getting paid, but when the doctor goes to church, he’s not working. The Pastor could drop down with a heart attack… the doctor is not going to leave him there dying because the church have to pay him for using the skill that God blessed him with. You play for an artist, and yet you want to come to church and still take from God instead of blessing him with what He blessed you with??? Then you’re saying God has to pay you for breathing Air then! Foolishness! And I am drummer for my church, I do gigs and have my own business. God blessed me and I was wise in managing my finances. Wisdom! Another blessing from God! It would be unfair as a believer to go into any church and say you must pay me because God hasn’t blessed me enough. So I have to come and take from you and your church rather than use that as an opportunity for God to bless me more by pour my musical talent out to Him. Trust me… the truth is that musicians demanding churches to pay them aren’t spiritual lead. The Bible spoke out rightly to bless the men and women of God that it even went as far as Paul saying if a people received you Not to dust your feet off and go. It never said if a people received not a musician for the musician to dust his or her feet off and go. Y’all getting this thing twisted! The anointing of God on a man or woman to be His, meaning God’s prophet is not a talent!!!! But singing is a talent! Playing music is a Talent! You think David got paid for playing for Saul???? Imagine David when he was fighting Saul… “Ah ha! Now I have you Saul! All them Sundays I played to run your demons away and you ain’t pay me! I should kill you now!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jephtedurette8227 Preachers are anointed and chosen by God. That’s not a talent given by God. Learn to read properly before you comment. If preachers are being paid a salary, then they are false like many we know. But preachers are not to be paid a salary. In the Old Testament when God told Moses to build the Tabernacle, Aaron was the high priest and you know what the Bible said??? Let the people bring their sacrifices and tithes to the priest and for the priest to offer what is to God to Him and for the priest to eat of the rest meaning, what was left back was for the priest. A preacher receiving an love offering is a blessing to them not a Salary. You all want to find all sort of twisted stupid reasons to justify your nonsense and not accept the truth! If you want to be paid then say you want to be paid, but don’t come across as if it’s your birth right to be paid because you learnt a skill. So then the cleaners has to be paid, the singers has to be paid, the sound engineer has to be paid, the nurses has to be paid, the ushers has to be paid. And on top of that, you want to be paid for playing the church’s instruments??? You’re asking the Pastor to buy you this instrument and that instrument but want to get paid for playing it too??? Come on! Go and tell God to pay you for waking you up the next morning. Steups! Foolishness
@@jephtedurette8227 Men and women of God or “His Prophets” were the only people in the Bible that God authorized the people to bless. Not the musicians, not singers, ushers, cleaners, sound engineers. If preachers are collecting a salary then that means that they are fake as some of the well known fake preachers we know these days. In the Old Testament, God told Moses when he completed the tabernacle, to appoint Aaron as the high priest and God said for the people to bring their sacrifices and tithes and present it to the high priest. The priest is now to sacrifice to God what is His and then for them to eat the balance meaning, that whatever is left back is theirs. No where did the Bible say pay the priest a salary, He said to bless them. Y’all just want to twist stuff to justify your sin. If you want to be paid then say so and let the chips fall. But don’t make it seem as though it’s your birth right to be paid just because you developed your talent. What the Bible said about talents??? Go out and make it work for you. If you’re in a band playing then that’s good. Playing for a singer awesome! But don’t take God out your thinking to justify that because you play for a church that they must pay you. That’s foolishness and it’s the same nonsense that Jesus spoke about in Matthew- to “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is His!”
I’m astonished at your comment brother because not only is it true but very well said. The blessings that will be given by God are far greater than those given by men. Though money is needed in this life, no amount given last as it is product of the world thus making it perishable as almost is in the world, the blessing of God though, those are forever and not only edify you but bring you closer to Him. As it is said “Seek FIRST the kingdom of God and his righteousness and everything will be added to you”. I don’t think getting paid is bad, the problem is lusting after pay. Money at the end of the day is corruptive, God’s blessing is constructive.
The enemy wants to be in the details….now you playing music in the sake of money that stumbles people. For the LOVE of money. Dont mask it fellas….yes the church should pay but than do u go to the other side???
There is no scripture that says ANY ministry HAS TO BE FREE. Too many people have adopted this religious-mindset. And it’s absolute trash 🚮!!! If the musician is putting in the work & shows up on time & fills a void that you couldn’t yourself fill musically, then pay them. Period. Or don’t, and get the “free version”. Now…if a musician is open to doing it for free, let that be their decision. Nowhere do the words “doing this for God” mean “doing it for free”. Do Pastor’s minister for free? 🤔 Ministry is ministry. If ur stuck in old goofy religious mindsets, then go kick rocks. ✌🏽
No one in church should be paid. Not the pastor not the musicians. Everything for the glory of God not the glory of yourself. Talent is a gift that can be taken away. I'm 41 been playing the drums since I was 4. I will only play in church for God. I was offered pay once and was offended by the question. All money collected should go to the church. The guy on the left said the world does it. Yet I remember we are taught be in the world not of it. This whole conversation makes me sick go play for a secular artist if you fell that way. This right here is what's wrong with the church
Money is not God's glory. The Bible calls money filthy lucor. God can't spend it and doesn't need it. The collection of money is for the saints, so how the church chooses to distribute it is up to them. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance. If a musician is being paid by a church, that does not mean they don't glorify God in their playing. Not being paid doesn't make a musician more honorable than one that does, it is all about the heart of that person.
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The Bible say that the Levites who were the musicians were paid(right along with the other Levites)from the tithes the Israelites paid. Who are church leaders to do different? It is sinful. Paul said "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain" and it is a phrase that appears in the Bible in 1 Timothy 5:18 and Deuteronomy 25:4. The phrase means that it's unfair to prevent an ox from eating grain while it's working because it needs the food to replenish its strength. Why are church musicians treated different? We need financial replenishment. We work hard at our craft and nothing less than excellence is demanded from us. I’ll answer…we are treated different because of greed and guilt based on manipulation which is sin. I literally studied this out so I can go at preachers and evangelists and none of them could tell me I’m wrong. And if they did I’d aske them…”Sooo…you’re saying you know more than God?”…and they shut right up.
I agree and im guilty of this also… for us musicians let’s not treat the church as another gig or a way to fill our pockets . Remember god gets the glory and we playing to lift him up.
If that’s the case then no one should. Not the pastor youth pastor etc
@@cgDRUMS.I mean, if the people of the church want to bless the pastor with an offering, so be it. Same can be said with the musicians too but I think it’s good to have an actual sustainable job with benefits at the end of the day instead of just being a musician full time. Especially, how are economy is now with prices for consumable goods and services being at an all time high and church gigs or gigs in general don’t pay enough to help you pay bills and other expenses.
I agree.
@@Idkitzjushdc I hear you, but we should at least get something. Especially if we’re putting in hours of our time throughout the week to prepare. I’m not saying I’m expecting wages to cover all my bills etc, only for the 8 to 10 hours I’m putting in to prepare
@@cgDRUMS.that’s valid, mainly if you’re going to someone else’s church and you’re putting in time and effort to learn their songs and whatnot but if it’s your own it’s different. At least the way I see it.
The fact we’re even talking about this still in 2024 shows there is a problem 😂.
I feel you, but time doesn’t always equal wisdom and evolution of mindset.
Exactly, sad man
Amazing conversation.
Please lets us agree and pray for Tony's wife.
In Jesus name Sickle cell be gone now. Me and my family agree with you ❤.
Thank you so much!!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽
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In the name of Jesus! 🙌🏾
A topic that requires a lot of emotional intelligence and maturity ! Loved how Tony reflected over this topic.
You are worth every bit bro. Praying for your family Tony. Josh thank you for the content and pray that your channel grows to self sustaining levels above and beyond bro. 🙏🏾
Real talk. Your gift will make room for you. It’s in the word
Bro, the caliber of musicians you are interviewing is incredible. We've heard them recording after recording bring that heat every time. And churches want that experience at their services. Ok then.....
This is real gangster talk, Tony spitting some wisdom right here. 👏👏👏👏👏
TONY TAYLOR IS PREACHING
I played for a church for years and never got paid intil my stepdad said i should be getting paid then the pastor was like yea we gonna pay you $20 a Sunday but i also started asking for blessings from the church so i could pay my bills
I m. A musician been through. This. So. Just not in Ga. I see
Lol we never have these conversations for preachers 😂😂😂
No lies were told in this video. Complete honesty 💯
Spot on! The heart posture indeed💯🙏🏾
I agree with this dude. First staring out my heart was in wrong place and things went south. Ended up being humbled and surrounded myself with level headed musicians. That's when things changed.
One thing thats would be nice josh is if you could ask all the drummers how they practice like you did witg calvin then make a playlist for it. Alot of people would want to be inside the mind kf their favorite drummers.
Thanks bro good job.
Yo, thanks for having an open discussion about this. Keep it coming.
"A lot of musicians dont have a relationship with the pastor"..one of the main issue
Thank y’all for highlighting both sides of the conversation
I was playing for a church I was a member for for 10 years so when the drummer passed I decided to play and ask them for something they said I volunteered but they paid the other musicians the disrespect but I actually needed help
It should depend on the church.
If I was playing/singing at a megachurch I would be much more comfortable asking for compensation because they can afford it.
If I played at a small church I'd be more investing in helping than being helped. But I would be very clear to the pastor that what I was doing was volunteer work, and that I need to provide for my family so there may be some services where I have to take other work for the sake of paying my bills, or I will have to hold down a 9-5 so I can provide and still play here.
HOWEVER no matter the size of the ministry, If God spoke to me and told me not to take any pay obviously I'm working for free cuz that's GOD
AMEN!!!!
I think people love excellence in music but don't comprehend the journey it takes to get to that level and skills like a pro athlete in sports 💯
Man, this is deep. Ive been thinking about my experiences with this very thing amd its depressing sometimes
I'm dealing with a traumatized pastor now. They literally will not hire an MD who will work and teach etc vs this who just shows up on Sundays (it's chaos). Mind you it's for the same amount as the guy who's always late on Sunday.
As a drummer that's frustrating. Not mention what's being paid to me for said chaos..... most wouldn't do it.
You guys are on point. I'm glad somebody. Have the. Heart. To. Say whats going. On. People want say nothing about this because is the. church. Yes guys. Thank. You
“Competence is Expensive” - TD Jakes.
I would love to take lessons from both of you guys when im able to get back on the set fasho
I agree with some of these points. The one thing that was said about why Churches may not pay musicians like the world from my generation is because being a drummer 53 years old in my generation: We Had A Day Job. We didn’t require the Church to care of us and our family unless we ran into a financial crisis. When COVID happened, I was driving Uber on top of my main job. To the younger generation of drummers and those who went to college, Some Churches are Discreet about paying musicians High Salaries because they have been Prostituted where they went to The Board to plea on your behalf for that salary. Then, the musician(s) leave for another Church because they Trumped the first Church by $300 more. I agree with Tony on the Heart issue. Basically, Workman Worthy Of Their Hire and just like a marriage you can only do your part as long as the spouse do their part in the partnership.
I always say they show more love in the world… they feed you… you get some breaks in between sets, drink tickets, you get paid, you get promoted on their flyers… some churches show alot of love but many show absolutely none… play and go home lol
This was GOOD!!!! 💪🏾❤️💪🏾❤️ I can verify that his comment about Pastor YPJ is Legit plus he is my Pastor!!!
Most people who say "I never got paid and I don't mind", it's because it ain't taking your time and money.
A lot of musicians only do Sunday service at their local church, and 1 rehearsal a week.
Y'all ain't never had to travel 100s of miles weekly, spend 1000s on gear, so much that it ain't easy to keep a regular 9-5 job. It's not about expectation, we get paid because doing all that free ain't feasible, unless you start asking people to borrow money to suit this new lifestyle, which becomes another problem 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
I play drums at 2 churches, 1st & 3rd Sundays at the 2nd church, and 2nd & 4th Sundays at my Home church regularly and for district meetings. I've only asked them to feed me. I'm paid $25 at my Home church and $60 at my 2nd church. Do you know how many sermons I've heard how musicians shouldn't be paid?
Love you Guys! This might be applicable in the USA but in Europe this is a way more difficult topic in certain countries . Also because there is way less money in most churches so there is no salary in many churches. Bless you guys and keep going !!
Being a musician is skilled labor. Musicians love the Lord the same way the ushers do but anyone can be an usher where no just anybody can go up there and play drums, guitar, or keys. That’s why you need to pay musicians.
Lisstteennn, this is a WHOLE truth tho.... 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🙌🏽
Dope conversation 🙌🏽💯💪🏾
To all the people saying that all musicians should play for God and not expect anything else…If you are putting in 5 hours to learn a song, 2 hours to rehearse with the band, 2 hours to teach it to others, buying gear, showing up early to soundcheck and have final rehearsals before services, I feel like it is perfectly acceptable for you to expect to be compensated.
If churches don’t want to pay musicians, then they have to be ok with a piano player showing up at service time, having the congregation open the hymnals and do the same old thing every service.
Pastors and Churches can’t fairly expect a professional sounding band/Vocalists and new, fresh songs for free. It’s silly. The fact that this is still an issue is silly.
I respect both these brothers. 80% of churches in U.S have enough for month to month operations. Should they pay someone who's a member of the church?
I don’t mind getting paid for playing for The Lord, both of these churches are able to do so while I’m able to take care of things at home, but I don’t look at it as a gig. It’s WORSHIP ❤
Balance and moderation is everything.
I use to play drums at the 9am service and organ at the 11am service at this church. 😂😂 and they fired me on a Saturday night 😂😂😂
I remember those days getting paid 75 to 125 a week. Being a musician at church can't be a full-time job
Yes it can
@@itwasbetterwithhats820 basically come down to the size of the church and what they can afford
This sure is a loaded subject. I think if's even deeper than this. But, all of this is true.
I've always felt that no one should be getting paid for being in ministry. The staff and the keyboard player gets paid but the singers and other musicians don't that doesn't make sense. That's why I have a job and God takes care of the rest! Me being a drummer in my church I would never ask for a dime because I play unto the Lord not man!
Honestly a have a concern for some musicians lots of them play on Sunday in church but play to unGodly secular music too!
The thing is, if the musician is doing this full time, then they have to be compensated to pay bills and have a consistent salary for their family. Singers get paid too, it's just not as common as musicians. There are cooks for church functions, and there are professional chefs. Some of the cooks are professional. I have never heard anyone tell professional chefs they shouldn't be paid. Churches even pay chefs to cater some events. I just think when it comes to musicians, there's a stigma with it.
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If your heart and mind is right and set on God, the money , blessings, opportunities , and etc will follow suit .
We put. In the. Time.
If churches don’t want to pay, then don’t request for your musicians to sound like professionals. Also, take musicians out of the church and see how much that church grows.
Me personally I do not care about being paid, the most important thing is to live for Christ, I am concerned for some church musicians they play in church on Sunday but they listen and play to unGodly music and artist who hate Christ! I’m not saying all music is bad but as a Christian we have to live a certain way!
Tonydfg fans here 🥂
If I do a gig for 250 then im really not getting paid 250 due to tax talk about it
Really good!!
Pastor Ypj is a real one and a cold musician.
I think the problem we run into with getting paid vs not getting paid is we are comparing apples to oranges. A drummer at the level of Joshua Crawford or Tony Taylor Jr is much higher than the next level down which is a good drummer but works full time some where else and plays drums semi-professionally. Then the next level is a good drummer that is a hobbyist that can listen to a professional drummer and mimic his chops. Then the next level is a hobbyist that is simply a drummer that can keep a beat in 4/4 or 3/4 but the groove is always the same. It's hard to say where does the cut off of drummers that get paid is. I don't have the answer for this. Perhaps someone in the comments can come up with the answer.
Alright say we playing for the world (to the ones who say musicians shouldn’t be paid in church) and there is no time to go to a free rehearsal for church because you’re busy learning for your actual music job and it so happens that now you have to play on Sundays too so only time you have to worship GOD through your music is when you have some alone time at home, but now your getting paid from your church where you can be fully devoted to the body of Christ is that so Bad? Does he not say your gift will make room for you? Who were the levites and what happened when they left and why?
Church musicians Do Not rely upon making a living off being a church musician. You can still be a great musician and have a main job outside of the church. Your value will go up because they will understand that you don't have to be there however real worshipers will understand your dedication to the ministry and compensate through other areas. I find that this works a whole lot better than relying upon the church to provide over 50 t0 75 % of a yearly income. God has a way to bless church musicians outside of the church because of your sacrifice. In return true ministry will be a blessing back to you.
its not about us but Jesus.... my church recognizes me and gives me solos but i don't ask for money
Relationship with pastors in church is important and the secular world does give more love than the church.
I’ve played drums for my church for the last 14 years. Never took a dime for it and I don’t want to.
Because it ain't taking your time.
Do you understand what it means to travel 100s of miles, multiple times a week, spend hours rehearsing. To the point you don't have time for a regular job?
How you gonna pay your bills? Look after your children if you got some?
@@manofculture8666playing for church isn’t taking your time ??
@@shonuff718 It depends. Playing Sunday service for about 1 to 2 hours, with 1 rehearsals for about 2 hours, is not the same as playing on multiple days, across the country for gospel conferences and church services.
@@manofculture8666 I definitely agree … it’s not the same … now here’s the thing of it all … Most churches are not following Christ … That makes a difference … so if the pastor is getting paid , then all bets are off …anything goes …
@@manofculture8666As a musician myself, the points your making are pretty fair.
my church has relationship..and my pastor loves me
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What he's referring to is not the norm for a bulk of church musicians. Grasping for straws on some of these examples. I grew up playing for my dad's church, I've played professionally, played in marching band, etc, but I never got paid legit until I was almost 50 years old. I never really even considered getting paid for using a gift that God gave me. The gift is payment to me. Now if I was playing for New Birth, Potters House, Elevation Church, etc, then yeah more than likely they're I'm gonna need to be on the payroll. They're doing multiple services in a week, the exposure is greater. Here's another thing to consider, of you're playing at a church with 10 members then yeah I'm not expecting to be able to quit my day job. So it's all situational. Nobody is forcing you to play. I grew up in a church and churches where I was literally was the ONLY musician. I've been in church where they took up an offering for the organist and didn't give me, the drummer anything. So that's another story where the drummer is not as valued as the other musicians. Especially is Pentecostal churches, they value organists very highly. Bottom line again, if you don't want to play for them, don't.
Who else is here for @Tonydfg ❤😍
church here in the philippines, wants everything for free, i do play drums in 3 churches, and the 2$ they give to musicians is never enough
Wow weeeee 😮....
Michael Jackson straight up loved his drummer
Drummers support the church why can't we be supported by the church the organist gets paid why not the drummer
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Bro just hit the nail on the head! The very thing that church is supposed to be about is the very thing they lack the most. Relationships are non existent. Even if churches can’t pay what you deserve, if the relationship, recognition and appreciation is there, we will go above and beyond. However, many churches underpay and undervalue musicians and on top of that we are treated as the help when next to the Word, worship is the cornerstone.
The laborer is worth the wages.
Not to mention churches expect you to use your endorsements to promote the church and let’s be real musicians should be paid because you can hold the musicians accountable but it’s up to you it’s about if they can afford it and if you’re willing to compromise
What is my salvation and worship to a few hundred bucks a Sunday? I will never rob The Lord of what belongs to him. I Serve willingly and gladly. My reward is in heaven, not on earth.
I didn't know the church band gets paid, I used to play at my father's church and I was never paid anything. Who gets paid in church🤔, I mean it's a church
Musicians are worthy of compensation for their services - the Bible says that the laborer is worthy of his or her wages.
Musicians invest time, finances, education, and devotion to God for the cultivation of their craft. What musicians do isn’t not easy because it is a prophetic calling by God that can’t be replicated. It’s a legitimate occupation.
Musicians have families, spouses, and expenses.
Real Christians with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding will agree with this message.
Min 25:45
Josh just stepped on alot of people bunions.
Hard Posture!!! PAUSE!!!!
Heart posture
but we should be appreciated too
Jesus will appreciate what you do if it’s from the heart, if you need the appreciation of men then you might not fully understand what it is you are doing. The problem is not getting paid, it’s the wanting of being payed. Jesus paid for every single one of your sins and faults yet he does not charge you a penny for it. If the Lord….God, the absolute being and creator of everything gave his life for us for free! What right do we have to ask for money or ponder on it for a talent that he ultimately gave us? Give to Cesar what is of Cesar and give on to God what is of God. We should not worry about building treasures here, worry about building treasures in heaven. God appreciates you and I even though he doesn’t have to. God don’t need us bro, he don’t need no pro musicians or scholars or people with doctorates therefore we shouldn’t carry ourselves as believing we are Essential to his work because we ain’t man. Believe me when I say I’ve had to learn this myself the hard way. God loves you bro, don’t ever forget that, if your heart is really on Him, He will supply everything you may need one way or another.
Truth is u might need to get a job and trust God to multiply
The business is the church and not the profession. There are more church opportunities than professional opportunities.
The churches don't value they drummers they choose favorites and the pastors don't either I ain't feel like I was part of the church I just play and leave ain't got no recognition only one time this little girl walked up to me told me she liked the way I played the drums that made my day. TONY TAYLOR SAID IT BEST I BEEN THERE.
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@user-xc6su5sf4x you must not be a musician
@terry7044 I am a musician, singer, songwriter, producer, keyboardist....have been for the last 35 years. National release and movie.
@terry7044 I get what you're saying...just had to read it 2-3 times to get a full picture. All musicians need to be treated fairly, and paid in my opinion, and definitely respected....glad the lil girl gave you your well deserved props.
Pastors take home millions and living lavish lifestyles but than you stiffle your workers that has responsibilities...when a church is in a position to pay workers than they should....too much ministers live lavish yet they aware of some workers going home hungry
Hey say this they will pay a pastor to come and preach 30 minutes, will give 1,000 dollars to receive what God has because the the prophet said so, but on the same coin, you can’t be greedy or make it bout money all the time cause you lose focus shoot in some cases churches will spend 600 for a person to stay at a hotel but will let you stay in a car 😂 but as a musician you gotta be dependable and also you gotta show your commitment.
Wow, fired for asking for 25 dollars. I’d tack on an extra 100 on top. That is so shiesty on their part.
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It sounds like you all are conflating issues. Are you all talking about being hired as a musician at a church, or being a member and being put on pay roll. These are not the same issues. I am a musician and an Executive Pastor. I see two sides and there are communication failures on both sides.
These are not reasons for church musicians to be paid. And for this to be justified so out of line means to say that you are treating churches as a job and not your offering unto God. The doctor is working and getting paid, but when the doctor goes to church, he’s not working. The Pastor could drop down with a heart attack… the doctor is not going to leave him there dying because the church have to pay him for using the skill that God blessed him with. You play for an artist, and yet you want to come to church and still take from God instead of blessing him with what He blessed you with??? Then you’re saying God has to pay you for breathing Air then! Foolishness! And I am drummer for my church, I do gigs and have my own business. God blessed me and I was wise in managing my finances. Wisdom! Another blessing from God! It would be unfair as a believer to go into any church and say you must pay me because God hasn’t blessed me enough. So I have to come and take from you and your church rather than use that as an opportunity for God to bless me more by pour my musical talent out to Him. Trust me… the truth is that musicians demanding churches to pay them aren’t spiritual lead. The Bible spoke out rightly to bless the men and women of God that it even went as far as Paul saying if a people received you Not to dust your feet off and go. It never said if a people received not a musician for the musician to dust his or her feet off and go. Y’all getting this thing twisted! The anointing of God on a man or woman to be His, meaning God’s prophet is not a talent!!!! But singing is a talent! Playing music is a Talent! You think David got paid for playing for Saul???? Imagine David when he was fighting Saul… “Ah ha! Now I have you Saul! All them Sundays I played to run your demons away and you ain’t pay me! I should kill you now!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So preachers shouldn’t get paid neither. Since its the lord’s work, and talent given from the lord
@@jephtedurette8227 Preachers are anointed and chosen by God. That’s not a talent given by God. Learn to read properly before you comment. If preachers are being paid a salary, then they are false like many we know. But preachers are not to be paid a salary. In the Old Testament when God told Moses to build the Tabernacle, Aaron was the high priest and you know what the Bible said??? Let the people bring their sacrifices and tithes to the priest and for the priest to offer what is to God to Him and for the priest to eat of the rest meaning, what was left back was for the priest. A preacher receiving an love offering is a blessing to them not a Salary. You all want to find all sort of twisted stupid reasons to justify your nonsense and not accept the truth! If you want to be paid then say you want to be paid, but don’t come across as if it’s your birth right to be paid because you learnt a skill. So then the cleaners has to be paid, the singers has to be paid, the sound engineer has to be paid, the nurses has to be paid, the ushers has to be paid. And on top of that, you want to be paid for playing the church’s instruments??? You’re asking the Pastor to buy you this instrument and that instrument but want to get paid for playing it too??? Come on! Go and tell God to pay you for waking you up the next morning. Steups! Foolishness
@@jephtedurette8227 Men and women of God or “His Prophets” were the only people in the Bible that God authorized the people to bless. Not the musicians, not singers, ushers, cleaners, sound engineers. If preachers are collecting a salary then that means that they are fake as some of the well known fake preachers we know these days. In the Old Testament, God told Moses when he completed the tabernacle, to appoint Aaron as the high priest and God said for the people to bring their sacrifices and tithes and present it to the high priest. The priest is now to sacrifice to God what is His and then for them to eat the balance meaning, that whatever is left back is theirs. No where did the Bible say pay the priest a salary, He said to bless them. Y’all just want to twist stuff to justify your sin. If you want to be paid then say so and let the chips fall. But don’t make it seem as though it’s your birth right to be paid just because you developed your talent. What the Bible said about talents??? Go out and make it work for you. If you’re in a band playing then that’s good. Playing for a singer awesome! But don’t take God out your thinking to justify that because you play for a church that they must pay you. That’s foolishness and it’s the same nonsense that Jesus spoke about in Matthew- to “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is His!”
@@jephtedurette8227exactly !! No one should be paid …
I’m astonished at your comment brother because not only is it true but very well said. The blessings that will be given by God are far greater than those given by men. Though money is needed in this life, no amount given last as it is product of the world thus making it perishable as almost is in the world, the blessing of God though, those are forever and not only edify you but bring you closer to Him. As it is said “Seek FIRST the kingdom of God and his righteousness and everything will be added to you”. I don’t think getting paid is bad, the problem is lusting after pay. Money at the end of the day is corruptive, God’s blessing is constructive.
I play for God not money
Sooo because church ain’t paying you go get paid from the devil and try to justify??? How bout you trust God for your increase…..
it's not top peak anymore 💯🤦
Ahhhh my fellow musicians … do we not follow Christ ?? Christ himself had an occupation … so who are we ?
The enemy wants to be in the details….now you playing music in the sake of money that stumbles people. For the LOVE of money. Dont mask it fellas….yes the church should pay but than do u go to the other side???
There is no scripture that says ANY ministry HAS TO BE FREE.
Too many people have adopted this religious-mindset. And it’s absolute trash 🚮!!! If the musician is putting in the work & shows up on time & fills a void that you couldn’t yourself fill musically, then pay them. Period. Or don’t, and get the “free version”. Now…if a musician is open to doing it for free, let that be their decision. Nowhere do the words “doing this for God” mean “doing it for free”. Do Pastor’s minister for free? 🤔 Ministry is ministry. If ur stuck in old goofy religious mindsets, then go kick rocks. ✌🏽
No one in church should be paid. Not the pastor not the musicians. Everything for the glory of God not the glory of yourself. Talent is a gift that can be taken away. I'm 41 been playing the drums since I was 4. I will only play in church for God. I was offered pay once and was offended by the question. All money collected should go to the church. The guy on the left said the world does it. Yet I remember we are taught be in the world not of it. This whole conversation makes me sick go play for a secular artist if you fell that way. This right here is what's wrong with the church
Money is not God's glory. The Bible calls money filthy lucor. God can't spend it and doesn't need it. The collection of money is for the saints, so how the church chooses to distribute it is up to them. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance. If a musician is being paid by a church, that does not mean they don't glorify God in their playing. Not being paid doesn't make a musician more honorable than one that does, it is all about the heart of that person.
I played for a church for years and never got paid intil my stepdad said i should be getting paid then the pastor was like yea we gonna pay you $20 a Sunday but i also started asking for blessings from the church so i could pay my bills