@@BCautosutions Bro a lot of people get these Honda motors mixed up and confused Idk what kind of block that is but mines is a L15BE VTEC 1.5T Accord and on the specs I got the VTEC on the exhaust side that's what that cam is on my car so it's not full VTEC it's just the exhaust camshaft
@@STG6_Phearable yeah Honda does all does all sorts of Vtec setups and looks to possibly be phasing it out. Rumors are the new Acura 3.0t doesn’t have Vtec at all just vtc.
Very important bit near the very end; rotating the exhaust cam to fit the sprocket. As long as the chain lines up, the sprocket has a notch in it so it can only bolt to the cam one way. Don’t be afraid to rotate the cam as long as you have your chain marks line up with the sprocket marks.
Yes dude I saw that and my mind literally blew up. Everything just made sense. I just started hearing this sound on my TSX right after I installed a new head gasket. Now I gotta take it apart again😩
Hello brother thanks for the video bud ... way quicker did it today for moms car ... also did valve cover gasket set with new air filter ...to loosen that actuator sprocket was fun ... 👍 God bless success nothing less
So correct me if I’m wrong, Honda recommends unlocking the actuator before torquing but if the chain is not hooked up and you torque with holding a wrench on the cam then it shouldn’t make a difference if the actuator is locked or unlocked.
@@BCautosutions well, ill be doing it soon. chain kit and w/p too. if i record it i'll send it your way. let ya know either way. thanks for the vid bud.
I wished you could of showed when you loosened up both of the 17mm bolts. What size was the open wrench . Also did you use a pin 📌 on the lower tensioner to loose slack on the chain
what if my pin falls out while rocking it to get sprocket on? You seem to have a lot more slack in chain? Why is that? Mine is very tight--in fact incredibly tight! any suggestions? @@BCautosutions
When my crankshaft pulley is on the TDC mark, the horizontal lines on the cams are about 1/2 tooth off each other. Is there any way to get them lined up without taking the chain cover off? Should I even bother? It's not throwing a code. Chain tensioner is new and chain is not stretched. Thanks.
I messed up. Need help with 2014 Honda Accord sport 4cyl. Intake camshaft is different from your video. While trying to loosen vtc bolt with impact gun and crescent wrench at other end of cam. Me thinking Camshaft being one piece. Piece where I had placed the crescent wrench, rotated while trying to loosen vtc bolt. This piece that rotated is for the camshaft position sensor. how do I align this 2 together ?
How do you insure the chain doesn't skip a tooth on the crank while working on the top end? I can see how you inspect once chain is installed back on the cams via timing marks. Just when I do this, I don't want my chain to move on the crank. If that happens, well, timing cover removal.
As long as it’s on timing and you rotate the engine a couple times and it still lines up your good. Ive never had to take out the front cover to reset it. I’ve probably done 150+ of these the same exact way.
@@BCautosutions ok I figured thanks for the fast response. Just put an rbb2 k24a in my 8th gen si. Skunk 2 tuner 3 cams, 80lb supertech springs, new timing chain and tensioner. Unfortunately for me I used my rbc vtc off the blown k20z3 and it’s making a ton of noise at start up. Engine did lock up when it went and I was just trying to save the $200. Annoyed I have to go in there so soon but it happens. I already tried swapping the spring for the low mileage rbb one and even stretched it.
@@BCautosutions My timing chain skipped a tooth. I remember when taking it apart when the cams lined up the crank was off a tooth or so. Going to replace it and go from there. Yay
So as long as i keep tension by pulling up on the timing chain i don’t have to worry about the chain coming off the crank? Is it possible to zip tie the exhaust gear w/ the chain still on in a way that it maintains tension, then replace the intake gear? That way i just worry about putting the chain back on the intake gear
@@BCautosutions yea ive seen people use a thumbtack, would that be a good idea? Seems kinda sketchy to me. Anyways, I ordered the parts & will give it a try. Seems like a straight forward fix
@@BCautosutions what’s warranty pay on that? Warranty one of the main reasons I left the dealer could do a short block on a Hyundai/Kia in about 4 hours tho
My timing is off after rebuild. Can i just release tensioner and turn cams to match marks without removing cradle? Need some mobile advice working in the mud here.
Sr, my 2018 civic tenth gen is making short metallic squissh right after the starter engages. It only happens in the morning during cold starts. If it's past 8am it already starts normal. Does it sound like a vct actuator noise? Or just a starter sticking? I listened to vct actuator noise in youtube and it sounds like a short low pitched rattle than a high pitched squishh but i'm not sure if all vct noise sounds the same. Ty
@@BCautosutions sr, i tried to listen more closely to it again today. Noise is less obvious but the short metallic squishhh seems to be coming somewhere at the back or behind the engine. Btw, how can you tell if it's the actuator making the noise judt by listening? Where should the noise be coming from? Ty
I am getting ready to install this and the chain on mine. I have the directions but am more of a visual learner. So I have been checking out videos. I see that you turned the actuator after torquing it and it clicked. It doesnt say this in my directions. It did say to make sure you install it in the unlocked position which mine is in. Did you turn it to the lock position? Just wanting to make sure I get this right. Trying not to make it a whole weekend job. Thanks in advance.
Yes, that is correct, the gear should come in the unlocked position. You also torque it in the unlocked position and once torqued, your turn the heat clockwise until it locks. Let me know if you have any other questions.
We never saw him Mark the chain. How did he know where to line the Mark up? The new chain comes with gold links so you know where to line up the crank and both gears.
I saw that you locked the vtc actuator after you tightened it down. Now when i took mine off it was unlocked. so when i put the new one on do i leave it unlocked or do i lock it like you did?
@@BCautosutions will leaving it unlocked throw off timing? I think thats what happened to me. 😅 the engine sounds like its off timing by a tooth which is what led me to your video. Thanks for the response 👍
Hello, is it safe to do the repair if it seems like my chain is slightly stretched? Mostly everything lines up except for those lines at the gears on the top, I’ve been wanting to do it but feel discouraged since idk if it’ll mess up the timing, thanks!
My timing chain is incredibly tight. I can't get it and the exhaust cam gear back on because it is so tight. Is there any way to relieve some of the tension on it so I have more wiggle room?
@@BCautosutions No, I have not removed the tensioner. Just placed an allen key into the lock. Should I removed the auto-tensioner completely as detailed in this link? www.hcrv.net/auto_tensioner_removal_and_installation-1627.html PS. Thank you so much for getting back to me. I've never been this stuck trying to fix something.
@@BCautosutions Okay. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get the auto-tensioner back on if I removed it. There is at least a few links worth of slack on the intake side of the chain, but none at all on the exhaust side. Do you recommend taking the auto-tensioner off, then installing the exhaust cam (and intake cam of course) and timing chain before re-installing the auto-tensioner?
One last question sorry. I also removed the bolt from the new intake cam AFTER torquing it down and locking it. I never took the new intake cam off, but I did remove the bolt in an effort to move the cam back out to get the exhaust cam back on. Is it a problem if I torque the intake cam back down with it in the locked position?
So, as long as the cams stay pinned and it was set to TDC prior, you can just take the gears off and won’t have to do the timing again? I’ve always kept the chain on a bungee in case it fell?
Ever have any issues with the actuator after install? My timing is spot on, but if you remove the oil fill cap, it blows. Like on a 350 Chevy when a lifter goes bad or valve stuck open. I completed the job same as you. Also, was that an OEM part or aftermarket? Thanks and awesome work
Hi. As anyone opened the front cover of their VTC Actuator and stretched the lock pin spring in it? If so, did it work out fine? Can it damage anything over time? Thanks
I have a 2014 accord, I have the same problem when I started in the morning or the motor is cold it's has a rattle noise for 2 or 3 second. This way is work for my car?
No problem, you will still have to loosen the bolt regardless which is even harder out of the engine imo. I’ve tried many different ways and this method is by far the most effective. Good luck 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions I really didn't have a hard time removing the bolt out of the engine. I clamped the 24mm wrench in a vice, inserted the hex in the wrench, held it in place with my left hand and a rag and whizzed the bolt off with a 1000 ft lb impact wrench.
@@luismarty1685 I had the same issue. Actually, I snapped a breaker bar trying to loosen it, and spent a long time finding all the pieces to ensure they weren't in the open engine. As you said, once the camshaft was removed, it took seconds to zip off the bolt with an impact. I've no doubt this method is possible and faster, but it needs pro quality tools and possibly a helping hand.
I do becuase I like to work with space and remove the crank pulley to get the timing gain tensioner cover area clean to ensure a good bind and no leaks, but if I wasn’t as worried about being clean, I could get away with leaving the belt and crank pulley on.
Also I have a question if you can answer this. I want to upgrade my tsx cam to a 40-50degree cam. Can I do it without tuning it or can just swapping it over be safe
So it won't work on the direct injected K24W, but will work on the K24Z6 in the USDM 2012-2014 CR-V? Also, what keeps the chain from slipping off or moving on the crank? My heart dropped when you just released the chain, but it's just... fine?
@@TurkeySandwichJr yes that is correct, the direct injection engines is a lot more involved but there are a few short cuts I will make a video on the next one I do 👍🏻
I accidentally locked the brand new vtc actuator before installing.. is there a way to unlock it by itself without having to take the camshaft out, plug the little holes and blow air through one?
I recently had my VTC actuator replaced under warranty. It's only been about 9k miles and it's rattling again. The warranty ends at 60k and it's at 58k.
@@hardcore6471 its normal for hondas have thar noise people don't mess with it they just leave it alone and it doesn't effect the motor at all I'm at 97k been dealing with that noise since I bought it since 2020
Getting slightly above my head here but figured it's still worth asking. K24A2 swapped into an MR2, timing cover side has maybe an inch until it's touching frame. I've bought a 50° VTC and Type S oil pump. Can I or do I dare install (one at a time I assume) both items without pulling the engine? I'm inclined to think I should pull it to replace the chain while I'm at it but hoping there's another way.
Hey man that sounds like an awesome setup you have there. I’d be concerned with being able to torque the gears possibly with the limited amount of place with about an 1” or so I think you might be playing with fire. Not sure exactly what your working with but if there’s a possibility you can removed that engine mount and jack the engine some, then that may need the clearance need (remember to use a block of wood or rubber to jack the engine ok the pan). Good luck with the build 👍🏻
Did the timing chain when i installed the VCT - Everything is lined up except the pulse plate on the intake side is off even when the cam marks line up. anyone got a clue?.
If you used a pin to lock the cam using the pulse plate it’s possible you snapped the locking pin off it and it rotated. Seen that a few times. Those things are really fragile.
How on earth did you loosen the VTC actuator bolt. I had and impact gun on with 1000ft lbs of reverse torque albeit at an angle and it still wouldn't come off.
Hi. I have an Accord 2.4 i-Vtec 2013 Europe version and I have rattle sound on cold start now during winter time. Based on Honda catalogue it shows VTC gear number 14310-R40-A01 but many people mentioned about new modified one 14310-R5A-305. I dont want to replace it with something which will not work properly for longer time. Could you please check and recommend me the best part I should replace? Thanks
Só in 2013 in USA we have the gdi engine already but according to those part numbers your car has the engine like the one in the video. The r5a gear is the latest and is the year you should use.
@@BCautosutions thank you! One last question. Why did you remove the crank bolt from the harmonic balancer? I don’t think that’s needed to be removed since the balancer has timing marks for TDC? I’m going to attempt this myself next week. I will mark the chain with a white marker for the exhaust and intake cam gears to make sure the timing is same.
@@Tacoexplorer i remove it so I can remove the balancer and clean the cover properly since the balancer covers part of where it goes. This is optional but a needed step to be done correctly and ensure no oil leaks imo
@@BCautosutions but would it be safe to run it as is? My Type S has been reflashed and I need my VTC gear replaced. I thought it would make sense to replace with a 50 degree.
@@BCautosutions So, I got it all back together and all the timing marks line up but it now runs sluggish and gas mileage is terrible. The first time I turned it on I got a P0341 error code but it went away the second time I turned it on. I read something about it being in failsafe mode?? Any ideas? To confirm, I did torque down the actuator and then rotated it to lock it before putting on the chain. I also used the indexing pins so even though it seems like my timing might be off, I don't know how that can be... Thanks!
@@BCautosutions so took it apart again and when the marks on the cams are lined up, the left/left mark on the drive pulley is forward just slightly (I do have an old chain still on, 120k miles, but it didn't give me any problems before doing this). If I move the crank counter clockwise just a bit and move the chain one tooth with the cams still lined up, the pulley timing mark looks way behind DTC. That seems to tell me I'm not any teeth off and my chain is just old. I replaced the tensioner too but still doesn't work... What am I missing!?!
@@BCautosutions hey i sent u a email and i am waiting for your email. My emai is grgkarma45@gmail.com and i need to know how much will you charge to have it replaced. I have the part. Thank you
I have a pin on the tensioner holding it from coming out and applying tension on the chain. Then I from the exhaust cam gear and slide the chain off/on with the gear while turning the cam with a 24mm wrench slowly to align the pin into the gear.
@@aliasauto3099 it slightly changes the angle inside where it slides onto the cam and there isn’t as smooth as a transition. You can get it, but I wouldn’t force it.
I’m going to have my car done the same service, yet I have a question , do you trust after market vvt actuator, or should I get the oem, which cost twice as much?
Since tou are changibg tge chain after years or more 150k may be. Dosn't it a good idea to change that parts, chain abd tensioner and also good quality ones. Expecting the chain strecth when gears are worn out like motor bike gears/sprockat ^ chain. That could be the last change for another sum of good miles ahead, engine life extending another 200k miles or more.
@@metzmatu8409 yes you could go ahead and change al that stuff it could be faulty or fail if you plan on keeping the car for a while but it also makes the job a lot bigger. All the depends on the situation and what’s best for you.
Cam has a notch in it and can only be bolted on a specific way, match the mark on the cam with the gold marks on the chain. If you’re a tooth off, pull the gear and move a tooth over.
54 lb ft on exhaust sprocket 83 lb ft on vtc gear. Torque the gear first, then lock it by turning it with you hand clockwise. DO NOT lock the gear, then turn. 👍🏻
Thanks for the info and the video. I know I can do this I am just super nervous about messing up the timing. I dont know if I understand your explanation enough.
rpence20 unfortunately it’s tough to explain in a message biting you have never done timing before a shortcut was might not be the best approach. I’ll work on a video on how to time it tho.
@@andybonneau9209 a video showing a shortcut that the best can be done from the conventional recommended way. Obviously if it were a step by step tutorial I would have started the video by showing how to remove valve cover but there’s tons of videos on that
Well considering this isn’t a step by step tutorial I ageee with you. This was just to show that there’s a quicker way to do it vs how everyone else is doing it.
Brilliant ! 👍👍🇦🇺
Glen Brinsmead thank you 🙏🏻
@@BCautosutions Bro a lot of people get these Honda motors mixed up and confused Idk what kind of block that is but mines is a L15BE VTEC 1.5T Accord and on the specs I got the VTEC on the exhaust side that's what that cam is on my car so it's not full VTEC it's just the exhaust camshaft
@@STG6_Phearable yeah Honda does all does all sorts of Vtec setups and looks to possibly be phasing it out. Rumors are the new Acura 3.0t doesn’t have Vtec at all just vtc.
@@BCautosutions I can hear it kick in at 5K RPM but it’s faint
I am so pleased with this video I can't even put it in words. You did it in no time. The video didn't even look edited. Thank you.
Thanks I appreciate it
Very important bit near the very end; rotating the exhaust cam to fit the sprocket. As long as the chain lines up, the sprocket has a notch in it so it can only bolt to the cam one way. Don’t be afraid to rotate the cam as long as you have your chain marks line up with the sprocket marks.
Exactly
I was wondering what you did about spinning that cam shaft...lol
Yes dude I saw that and my mind literally blew up. Everything just made sense. I just started hearing this sound on my TSX right after I installed a new head gasket. Now I gotta take it apart again😩
Question, what are the symptoms to suggest it's probably time to replace the VTC actuator?
@@tyty0071 This intense engine rattle upon startup, or when the oil level is low, low RPM range will also have an engine rattle.
Liked and subscribed, just purchased the top line model 2012, thanks!
Thanks and congrats!
@@BCautosutions you’re welcome and hope so!
Hello brother thanks for the video bud ... way quicker did it today for moms car ... also did valve cover gasket set with new air filter ...to loosen that actuator sprocket was fun ... 👍 God bless success nothing less
Thanks for watching. Yes the exhaust actuator is ridiculously tight lol
Not nearly as fun as the crankshaft bolt
Kinda wish i could sse you block timing chain tensioner. Great video though best one on TH-cam for honda actuator
Thanks, I’ll try to make an even more detailed one since it seems to be helping a lot of people 👍🏻
Nice to watch a pro. Thanks for the education.
Just a just a test to my 2012 TSX special edition this weekend and save me a rack of time thank you so much
Glad to help 👍🏻
good technics..you are good mechanic sir
Thank you 🙏🏻
Wow excellent....thanks great video very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Did you unlock the vtc before installing? Why does Honda recommend it? How and when do you lock it back?
It comes unlocked. You only lock it after torquing the gear down
@@BCautosutions Thank you. I'm thinking of doing a 40° on my CRX K24. How do you lock down after you torque it?
@@bobbydelamar606 turn it clockwise
Does this apply to a 2014?
Man, Great video!!
🤘😎🤘
Depends on the car. Some in 2014 had the k24 which is different and vtc gear doesn’t fail on thosen
So correct me if I’m wrong, Honda recommends unlocking the actuator before torquing but if the chain is not hooked up and you torque with holding a wrench on the cam then it shouldn’t make a difference if the actuator is locked or unlocked.
Your torquing in unlocked position if the cam just moved freely the vtc gear would do the same while operating without command.
What happenes if I locked the gear is there anyway I can still install it or would I need to get another new one
@@GabrielLopez-fi3tz you can unlock it
@@gfriedman99 what about cam locking pin brother the one you hook the gear on too
@@GabrielLopez-fi3tz He says just pin the intake cam
Nice and smooth
@@cesar.autodianostico 💯
you ever do the spring swap on the phaser? your thoughts?
@@Blazilla81 I have not but willing to try.
@@BCautosutions well, ill be doing it soon. chain kit and w/p too. if i record it i'll send it your way. let ya know either way. thanks for the vid bud.
@ absolutely, best of luck with it!
I wished you could of showed when you loosened up both of the 17mm bolts. What size was the open wrench . Also did you use a pin 📌 on the lower tensioner to loose slack on the chain
24mm open ended and yes a pin on the bottom.
what if my pin falls out while rocking it to get sprocket on? You seem to have a lot more slack in chain? Why is that? Mine is very tight--in fact incredibly tight! any suggestions? @@BCautosutions
@@martybannon5172 you tensioner may not be locking and pin is releasing requiring replacement
How easy to break the VTC actuator bold to loose? Video did not show that process.
Big ratchet and 24mm wrench to hold the cam in place.
2010 crv rattles on cold start and continuously rattles when driving could it be the chain?
No, vtc gear and low on oil.
springstart VTC has new springs to fix the VTC actuator
Could be your serpentine tensioner
When my crankshaft pulley is on the TDC mark, the horizontal lines on the cams are about 1/2 tooth off each other. Is there any way to get them lined up without taking the chain cover off? Should I even bother? It's not throwing a code. Chain tensioner is new and chain is not stretched. Thanks.
@@gfriedman99 they never line up 100%
@@BCautosutions Thanks so much for your advice. Wishing you wonderful holiday season. 🙂
@ you as well
I messed up. Need help with 2014 Honda Accord sport 4cyl. Intake camshaft is different from your video. While trying to loosen vtc bolt with impact gun and crescent wrench at other end of cam. Me thinking Camshaft being one piece. Piece where I had placed the crescent wrench, rotated while trying to loosen vtc bolt. This piece that rotated is for the camshaft position sensor. how do I align this 2 together ?
If the trigger for the cam sensor rotated it’s broken, need to get a new one
How do you insure the chain doesn't skip a tooth on the crank while working on the top end? I can see how you inspect once chain is installed back on the cams via timing marks. Just when I do this, I don't want my chain to move on the crank. If that happens, well, timing cover removal.
As long as it’s on timing and you rotate the engine a couple times and it still lines up your good. Ive never had to take out the front cover to reset it. I’ve probably done 150+ of these the same exact way.
Did you do anything to the tensioner in this video? Thanks!
Yes I put the pin in the tensioner
@@BCautosutions ok I figured thanks for the fast response. Just put an rbb2 k24a in my 8th gen si. Skunk 2 tuner 3 cams, 80lb supertech springs, new timing chain and tensioner. Unfortunately for me I used my rbc vtc off the blown k20z3 and it’s making a ton of noise at start up. Engine did lock up when it went and I was just trying to save the $200. Annoyed I have to go in there so soon but it happens. I already tried swapping the spring for the low mileage rbb one and even stretched it.
Could sure use you right now. No matter what I do its off the tooth. The intake sprocket line doesn't rest perfectly horizontal.
They almost never line up perfectly. Take a mirror to the end of the cam where the sensor triggers are and see if the hole lines up with the head
@@BCautosutions My timing chain skipped a tooth. I remember when taking it apart when the cams lined up the crank was off a tooth or so. Going to replace it and go from there. Yay
@@Direct_Home_Inspections sounds like you may have a stretched chain if that’s the case
Chain stretched
So as long as i keep tension by pulling up on the timing chain i don’t have to worry about the chain coming off the crank? Is it possible to zip tie the exhaust gear w/ the chain still on in a way that it maintains tension, then replace the intake gear? That way i just worry about putting the chain back on the intake gear
@@iiAzT3Cii yes although what’s not seen here is I have a pin locking to chain tensioner for applying more tension on the chain once greats are off
@@BCautosutions yea ive seen people use a thumbtack, would that be a good idea? Seems kinda sketchy to me. Anyways, I ordered the parts & will give it a try. Seems like a straight forward fix
@@iiAzT3Cii yep that works
@@BCautosutions thanks for the help
@@iiAzT3Cii good luck 👍🏻
Any solutions for Toyota VVT rattle without removing a cam?
No
Great vid man flat rate dealer tricks for sure lol
Thanks! Have to try and beat that warranty time lol
@@BCautosutions what’s warranty pay on that? Warranty one of the main reasons I left the dealer could do a short block on a Hyundai/Kia in about 4 hours tho
@@Greg18m7 2.0
whats the torque spec on both the gears i cant seem to find that info anywhere. thanks
54 on exhaust 83 on intake
My timing is off after rebuild. Can i just release tensioner and turn cams to match marks without removing cradle? Need some mobile advice working in the mud here.
Yea. There’s no need to remove cradle or front cover
Ty so much. Online help these days is bad. Leave a patreon or some how i can send my gratitude. Especially for such a quick reply.
@@shuckyducky3508 just glad to help 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions i removed tensioner. Pined. Crank is tdc. Chain seems too tight to lift off cam gears to rotate.?
Turning crank will leave me off tdc. Waiting for reply
Sr, my 2018 civic tenth gen is making short metallic squissh right after the starter engages. It only happens in the morning during cold starts. If it's past 8am it already starts normal.
Does it sound like a vct actuator noise? Or just a starter sticking?
I listened to vct actuator noise in youtube and it sounds like a short low pitched rattle than a high pitched squishh but i'm not sure if all vct noise sounds the same. Ty
Could be either or. Try to have someone else start it and take a listen under hood to isolate.
@@BCautosutions sr, i tried to listen more closely to it again today. Noise is less obvious but the short metallic squishhh seems to be coming somewhere at the back or behind the engine.
Btw, how can you tell if it's the actuator making the noise judt by listening? Where should the noise be coming from? Ty
I am getting ready to install this and the chain on mine. I have the directions but am more of a visual learner. So I have been checking out videos. I see that you turned the actuator after torquing it and it clicked. It doesnt say this in my directions. It did say to make sure you install it in the unlocked position which mine is in. Did you turn it to the lock position? Just wanting to make sure I get this right. Trying not to make it a whole weekend job. Thanks in advance.
Yes, that is correct, the gear should come in the unlocked position. You also torque it in the unlocked position and once torqued, your turn the heat clockwise until it locks. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@Hondamobilemechanic appreciate it!!
@@monzsterman good luck!
We never saw him Mark the chain. How did he know where to line the Mark up? The new chain comes with gold links so you know where to line up the crank and both gears.
Only time I use those links is when the timing cover is off.
I saw that you locked the vtc actuator after you tightened it down. Now when i took mine off it was unlocked. so when i put the new one on do i leave it unlocked or do i lock it like you did?
Torque the new one then lock it
@@BCautosutions will leaving it unlocked throw off timing? I think thats what happened to me. 😅 the engine sounds like its off timing by a tooth which is what led me to your video. Thanks for the response 👍
@@PatTheBaker855 yes for sure. It has to get re timed now
Any idea ... i replaced tge vtc actuator with a new one and every thing was perfect ... but morning noise still the same .. why ?
You used brand new oem I’m assuming? Also is it cold where you are? And lastly, how’s your oil level
Tensioner maybe?
How did you align the belt onto the new sprocket? I only see that you placed it on and nothing else.
Align the mark with the exhaust gear (essentially visually put Thoth cam gears on timing then rotate the intake exhaust cam with a wrench)
Hello, is it safe to do the repair if it seems like my chain is slightly stretched? Mostly everything lines up except for those lines at the gears on the top, I’ve been wanting to do it but feel discouraged since idk if it’ll mess up the timing, thanks!
Yes it’ll run fine afterwards, but if the chain is stretched why not take the opportunity to replace the chain along with guides and tensioner?
My timing chain is incredibly tight. I can't get it and the exhaust cam gear back on because it is so tight. Is there any way to relieve some of the tension on it so I have more wiggle room?
Is your tensioner removed? If not your going to have to remove it. If it is, then that means the chain is kinked somehwere.
@@BCautosutions No, I have not removed the tensioner. Just placed an allen key into the lock. Should I removed the auto-tensioner completely as detailed in this link?
www.hcrv.net/auto_tensioner_removal_and_installation-1627.html
PS. Thank you so much for getting back to me. I've never been this stuck trying to fix something.
@@Wallstreetavarice yes at this point it’s possible the locking mechanism is work and isn’t locking the piston
@@BCautosutions Okay. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get the auto-tensioner back on if I removed it. There is at least a few links worth of slack on the intake side of the chain, but none at all on the exhaust side.
Do you recommend taking the auto-tensioner off, then installing the exhaust cam (and intake cam of course) and timing chain before re-installing the auto-tensioner?
One last question sorry. I also removed the bolt from the new intake cam AFTER torquing it down and locking it. I never took the new intake cam off, but I did remove the bolt in an effort to move the cam back out to get the exhaust cam back on. Is it a problem if I torque the intake cam back down with it in the locked position?
Where to located bro I have the same rattle at cold start on my 2008 2.4 4 cylinder I’m in New York City is this a major problem
Im in New Jersey. Shoot me an email: bcautosolutions20@gmail.com
It would be great to SEE what you are doing ?
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Does engine have to be top dead center to do this
Yea
No idea how you let that chain slack then didn't have an issue with the chain falling off the crank gear.
Do it all the time, goes back no issues.
The bottom gap between the timing cover and chain is small enough that the chain cannot fall off the crank gear.
hey dude im almost done this im literally one tooth off on timing, any help is appreciated thank you
Take it back off and turn it one tooth over.
Why did you have to remove crank pulley?
In order to clean the area for the timing tensioner cover, many guys don’t clean it thoroughly and end up having a leak.
@@BCautosutions so technically you don't have to remove the crank bolt and pulley to perform this short cut for the actuator? Thanks.
@@logandougherty5180 yes that is correct 👍🏻
So, as long as the cams stay pinned and it was set to TDC prior, you can just take the gears off and won’t have to do the timing again? I’ve always kept the chain on a bungee in case it fell?
Yeah basically, I never bungee the chain, also only pin the intake cam
Why not pin the exhaust cam?
@@BCautosutions Why not pin both cams?
@@gfriedman99 I rotate the exhaust cam to align it the way I want to. If you pin it, won’t work the way I do it.
Ever have any issues with the actuator after install? My timing is spot on, but if you remove the oil fill cap, it blows. Like on a 350 Chevy when a lifter goes bad or valve stuck open. I completed the job same as you. Also, was that an OEM part or aftermarket? Thanks and awesome work
No abnormal noises afterwards. I always use oem
Hi. As anyone opened the front cover of their VTC Actuator and stretched the lock pin spring in it? If so, did it work out fine? Can it damage anything over time? Thanks
I see others on TH-cam have had some success with this. I plan to try it first before spending $180 for the VTC.
@@jeffshank9513 I did it and its been fine since a month now
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No I haven’t.
I have a 2014 accord, I have the same problem when I started in the morning or the motor is cold it's has a rattle noise for 2 or 3 second. This way is work for my car?
Most likely a timing chain tensioner but it sounds real similar to this
@@BCautosutions yes, it's exactly the sounds for 2 or 3 seconds when it's cold the motor or in the morning
Thanks for the quick reply, but I'll just take the intake cam off. I wasted about 40 minutes trying to remove the bolt.
No problem, you will still have to loosen the bolt regardless which is even harder out of the engine imo. I’ve tried many different ways and this method is by far the most effective. Good luck 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions I really didn't have a hard time removing the bolt out of the engine. I clamped the 24mm wrench in a vice, inserted the hex in the wrench, held it in place with my left hand and a rag and whizzed the bolt off with a 1000 ft lb impact wrench.
@@luismarty1685 I had the same issue. Actually, I snapped a breaker bar trying to loosen it, and spent a long time finding all the pieces to ensure they weren't in the open engine.
As you said, once the camshaft was removed, it took seconds to zip off the bolt with an impact. I've no doubt this method is possible and faster, but it needs pro quality tools and possibly a helping hand.
@@TurkeySandwichJr Just heat up the bolt.
How do you unlock the VCT gear? You have to unlock it before you can remove it right? At lest that's what other videos have shown.
No, tou can slide it right out with it locked although you need to lock the new gear AFTER you torque it
@@BCautosutions OK, after install and torque.
Do you have to remove the serpentine belt for this?
I do becuase I like to work with space and remove the crank pulley to get the timing gain tensioner cover area clean to ensure a good bind and no leaks, but if I wasn’t as worried about being clean, I could get away with leaving the belt and crank pulley on.
ING IF YOU DONT TORQUE THE NEW GEAR BOLT FIRST BEFORE UNLOCKING IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM ? LIKE I DID ..I STILL HAVE IT APART
you dont have to unlock, just lock the new gear after its torqued
Also I have a question if you can answer this. I want to upgrade my tsx cam to a 40-50degree cam. Can I do it without tuning it or can just swapping it over be safe
I would Deff recommend tuning it
How did you break the bolts so effortlessly?
I didn’t, the vtc bolt is always very tight to the point where sometimes it requires two people.
@@BCautosutions can you use a longer breaker bar to release the VTC bolt..? Great short cut btw, thanks for the video 👍
@@petesilvestri yes you can. Thanks!
How did you unlock the vtc gear before installing it? @Hondamobilemechanic
Comes unlocked out of the box, but you can also unlock it with compressed air. I’ll make a video on that 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions how long does it take on a accord 2.0 to change?
@@viktor1986 accord 2.0? Are you talking about 18+ 10th gen accord? Accord didnt come in a 2.0 before that
@@BCautosutions it's a 2009 2.0 ivtec with 156hp
@@viktor1986 so I’m assuming your morning the USA In that case. If it’s a k20 then depending on skill level 2-5 hours
You unbolt the crank pulley for this? Trying to do this on a 2.4 2016 crv
Yes I do
I have a 2013 Honda Accord LX with the four cylinder. Will this way work for my car?
No, it’s way more involved on that engine unfortunately. I’ll try to get a video next time I do one.
So it won't work on the direct injected K24W, but will work on the K24Z6 in the USDM 2012-2014 CR-V?
Also, what keeps the chain from slipping off or moving on the crank? My heart dropped when you just released the chain, but it's just... fine?
@@TurkeySandwichJr yes that is correct, the direct injection engines is a lot more involved but there are a few short cuts I will make a video on the next one I do 👍🏻
I accidentally locked the brand new vtc actuator before installing.. is there a way to unlock it by itself without having to take the camshaft out, plug the little holes and blow air through one?
yes exactly
Just found this video that solves the problem surprisingly easy: th-cam.com/video/Kd65fqykVj/w-d-xo.html
Why not just replace the spring inside the actuator? Most of the time that is the problem, the spring tensions loosens up.
@@Chris-lz7sx honda doesn’t sell springs
A professional cannot work with a "most of the time" solution. It needs to be done once and done right. If you DIY then fine try a spring.
I recently had my VTC actuator replaced under warranty. It's only been about 9k miles and it's rattling again. The warranty ends at 60k and it's at 58k.
What engine?
1.5 Liter 4 cylinder
2018 FIT
@@hardcore6471 its normal for hondas have thar noise people don't mess with it they just leave it alone and it doesn't effect the motor at all I'm at 97k been dealing with that noise since I bought it since 2020
@@johnathanwoodley5005 A lot of people say the chain will eventually stretch if u don't fix the vtc.
Please i need help ... i made all steps tye same but now code p0341 appear and engine not stable... any way to fix or i have to make all again
Most likely it’s off timing or the trigger for the camshaft broke the lock.
@@BCautosutions should i replace with another vtc actuator or adjusting only ????
@@MOHAMMEDELSAYED-jn1fk I would try to correct the timing. The gear should be fine
Nice bro
Thanks 🙏🏻
How'd you loosen the cam bolts without turning the engine over?
Patrick B the cams have a spot where you can put a 24mm or 15/16 wrench on the to hold while you break the bolts loose
Getting slightly above my head here but figured it's still worth asking. K24A2 swapped into an MR2, timing cover side has maybe an inch until it's touching frame. I've bought a 50° VTC and Type S oil pump. Can I or do I dare install (one at a time I assume) both items without pulling the engine? I'm inclined to think I should pull it to replace the chain while I'm at it but hoping there's another way.
Hey man that sounds like an awesome setup you have there. I’d be concerned with being able to torque the gears possibly with the limited amount of place with about an 1” or so I think you might be playing with fire. Not sure exactly what your working with but if there’s a possibility you can removed that engine mount and jack the engine some, then that may need the clearance need (remember to use a block of wood or rubber to jack the engine ok the pan). Good luck with the build 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions I'm at work now, I'll double check when I get home and reply again...thanks, man.
Great, thanks #HondaMobileMechanic . Any suggestion on the best way for removing VTC bolt if it is hard to crack ? Thanks in advance
Use a 17mm 1/2” short with long rathcet and a good quality 24” to hold the hex on the cam. Sometimes it requires 2 people. I never remove cam from car
thanks a lot man, cheers, highly appreciated
No problem
Did the timing chain when i installed the VCT - Everything is lined up except the pulse plate on the intake side is off even when the cam marks line up. anyone got a clue?.
If you used a pin to lock the cam using the pulse plate it’s possible you snapped the locking pin off it and it rotated. Seen that a few times. Those things are really fragile.
@@BCautosutions I'll check it out! Thanks for the reply.
@@remmrott no problem and good luck 👍🏻
ALSO SHOULE THE CENTER TIMING MARKS LINE UP BEFORE OR AFTER YOU UNLOCK THE CAM GEAR
After
Are you using cam lockout pins?
Yes intake can then the exhaust cam I’m rotating with a 2mm wrench to align the pin with the cam gear
So it is not necessary to remove the camshaft to swap the vtc gear?
Exactly, I’ve done it this way over 200 times. I don’t remove the tensioner either, just lock it with a pin.
Hondamobilemechanic I deeply appreciate the info bro! 🙏
@@robertorodriguez9668 no problem 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions I hear it’s good to replace the tensioner often though, timing chains are strong in these but tensioners go quicker
@@BoostedFB6 timing chains stretch due to lack of oil changes. We don’t see that many tensioner fail on stock cars
How on earth did you loosen the VTC actuator bolt. I had and impact gun on with 1000ft lbs of reverse torque albeit at an angle and it still wouldn't come off.
2 24mm wrenches to hold the cam from spinning and then a 24” 1/2 wratchet and a ton of force. It’s deff brutal lol. Sometimes I get a friend to help
Hi. I have an Accord 2.4 i-Vtec 2013 Europe version and I have rattle sound on cold start now during winter time.
Based on Honda catalogue it shows VTC gear number 14310-R40-A01 but many people mentioned about new modified one 14310-R5A-305.
I dont want to replace it with something which will not work properly for longer time.
Could you please check and recommend me the best part I should replace? Thanks
Só in 2013 in USA we have the gdi engine already but according to those part numbers your car has the engine like the one in the video. The r5a gear is the latest and is the year you should use.
springstart vtc
How mobile are u? I need this done on a 2012 civic si and im in mocksville nc
Way too far lol
That’s the torque specification for the exhaust cam gear?
54 lbs
@@BCautosutions thank you! One last question. Why did you remove the crank bolt from the harmonic balancer? I don’t think that’s needed to be removed since the balancer has timing marks for TDC? I’m going to attempt this myself next week. I will mark the chain with a white marker for the exhaust and intake cam gears to make sure the timing is same.
@@Tacoexplorer i remove it so I can remove the balancer and clean the cover properly since the balancer covers part of where it goes. This is optional but a needed step to be done correctly and ensure no oil leaks imo
If I change my VTC on my K24A2 to the 50 degree VTC gear, must I tune the car or can I use it as is?
It’s always best to tune it to get best results
@@BCautosutions but would it be safe to run it as is? My Type S has been reflashed and I need my VTC gear replaced. I thought it would make sense to replace with a 50 degree.
@@raaiqs143 yes, although i would get atleast a base map from your tuner and then have it retuned properly
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@@raaiqs143 no problem, thanks 🙏🏻
Good work ..🙏
Thanks 🙏🏻
So after you install the new VTC, do you just remove pin 📌 from tensioner hole to get the tension back?
Yes exactly
I wish the mechanic showed what he did to the tensioner to loosen a little bit the chain
Didn’t loosen any of it, just put the locking pin in the tensioner. There isn’t much tensioner oressure without oil pressure
@@BCautosutions I just finished installing it, works very good thanks for the video and the fast answer
No problem, glad it worked out
@@BCautosutions so you spin engine backwards slightly to get the hole to show on the tensioner, put the pin in, then rotate back to TDC?
Oh so the timing didnt jump?
No, it would have to have an extremely stretched chain for that to happen
Where are you located I need your services I’m in Arkansas
I’m in jersey, just a tad far 😩😂
what are the torque values for all those bolts?
82 for the 17mm vtc gear and 54 lbs for the 14mm exhaust sprocket
@@BCautosutions So, I got it all back together and all the timing marks line up but it now runs sluggish and gas mileage is terrible. The first time I turned it on I got a P0341 error code but it went away the second time I turned it on. I read something about it being in failsafe mode?? Any ideas? To confirm, I did torque down the actuator and then rotated it to lock it before putting on the chain. I also used the indexing pins so even though it seems like my timing might be off, I don't know how that can be... Thanks!
@@speiro06 yes timing is deff off. Most likely like 1-2 teeth. Take off valve cover and recheck it. Good luck 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions so took it apart again and when the marks on the cams are lined up, the left/left mark on the drive pulley is forward just slightly (I do have an old chain still on, 120k miles, but it didn't give me any problems before doing this). If I move the crank counter clockwise just a bit and move the chain one tooth with the cams still lined up, the pulley timing mark looks way behind DTC. That seems to tell me I'm not any teeth off and my chain is just old. I replaced the tensioner too but still doesn't work... What am I missing!?!
Also, which car was this? crv? fit?
Crv
Wish you close to Pennsylvania to do my 09 accord
Eastern pa or western pa?
@@BCautosutions southeastern pa. Reading Pennsylvania
@@jesusadames4096 about a 2 hour ride or so. Not terrible for great price abs knowledge 👍🏻
@@BCautosutions send me an address to my email. I can supply the part lmk. Bocachula_1@yahoo.com
@@BCautosutions hey i sent u a email and i am waiting for your email. My emai is grgkarma45@gmail.com and i need to know how much will you charge to have it replaced. I have the part. Thank you
Excellent ... Keep it up
Thank you
Wow this is genius!!
Thanks 💪🏼
I'm planning on changing it on my 07 si since it's starting to rattle on cold start. Should I do this asap or can it wait?
The sooner the better but it’s not critical, I’ve never seen it cause any further damage. (Doesn’t mean it cant tho)
My 2012 Honda Accord ALWAYS rattles on cold start... does that mean I need a new VTC Actuator?
@@BCautosutions thanks man
@@bdm408 yes
That's nice, but how do you loosen the chain?
I have a pin on the tensioner holding it from coming out and applying tension on the chain. Then I from the exhaust cam gear and slide the chain off/on with the gear while turning the cam with a 24mm wrench slowly to align the pin into the gear.
Ahhhh I see one of those cams is a VTEC camshaft and the other one is regular so that’s what’s in my car
Why do you have to take out both gears can i just take out the vtc one?
You have to torque vtc gear before you lock it. Once it’s locked it’s very hard to put on cam and sometimes impossible.
@@BCautosutions I bought a used vtc gear. do I have to unlock it before I install it?
@@christianlegra6898 yes you do
@@BCautosutions why does need to be unlock for install can i lock it and install it?thanks
@@aliasauto3099 it slightly changes the angle inside where it slides onto the cam and there isn’t as smooth as a transition. You can get it, but I wouldn’t force it.
I’m going to have my car done the same service, yet I have a question , do you trust after market vvt actuator, or should I get the oem, which cost twice as much?
Carlos Barajas Im not sure if this is offered aftermarket or not but anything mechanical and electrical or the engine I would stick with oem.
Since tou are changibg tge chain after years or more 150k may be. Dosn't it a good idea to change that parts, chain abd tensioner and also good quality ones. Expecting the chain strecth when gears are worn out like motor bike gears/sprockat ^ chain. That could be the last change for another sum of good miles ahead, engine life extending another 200k miles or more.
@@metzmatu8409 yes you could go ahead and change al that stuff it could be faulty or fail if you plan on keeping the car for a while but it also makes the job a lot bigger. All the depends on the situation and what’s best for you.
Good point to consider, how long you want to keep the car.
Thanks
Hi. I have 2006 crv, Do I need to change this out at high mileage?
No, that year doesn’t have vtc gear failures typically. You wouldn’t change it regardless of mileagess unless if it’s faulty.
I would say only if you hear a rattle for approximately 2 seconds after a cold start. That’s the actuator rattling.
What about the timing
Cam has a notch in it and can only be bolted on a specific way, match the mark on the cam with the gold marks on the chain. If you’re a tooth off, pull the gear and move a tooth over.
have to look for the timing marks and match them to the gold links on the chain. the camshafts will both line up with the links if timed correctly.
Torque specs ???
54 lb ft on exhaust sprocket
83 lb ft on vtc gear.
Torque the gear first, then lock it by turning it with you hand clockwise. DO NOT lock the gear, then turn. 👍🏻
How do you know your timing chain is correct?
Timing marks on gear and I slide the crAnk pulley on to check the mark on there without torqueing it
Thanks! Also, where did you get the new part and did it stop rattling?
rpence20 Honda and yes it did
Thanks for the info and the video. I know I can do this I am just super nervous about messing up the timing. I dont know if I understand your explanation enough.
rpence20 unfortunately it’s tough to explain in a message biting you have never done timing before a shortcut was might not be the best approach. I’ll work on a video on how to time it tho.
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How much does this service usually cost?
ZamnBro couple hundred parts and labor, closer to $1,000 it at a dealer
Hondamobilemechanic wow that is super expensive!!
Dosn't that cheaper rather buyibg a bew engine.
@@metzmatu8409 with a new engine you don’t know what your getting and it’s a lot more labor involved but sure you can just replace the engine 👍🏻
I wish there was some narration going on....
Sorry old video
Does the center bolt in the phaser require threadlocker ?
No thread lock required
@@BCautosutions Noted. Thanks for the quick reply 👍
Kamu emang gemes!!
Thanks bo55
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Thanks for watching
Got a faster way than that doesn’t require messing with the chain tensioner
Tell me more...
Secret, but I like that way to, you don’t worry about the chain coming off at the crank sprocket?
@@gilg7350 nope, never had an issue
U know were to stick ur secret since no one cares!
@@robertorodriguez9668 haha don’t be mad cus u don’t know my secrets, ur the one asking for info...
No narration. No explanation. No torque specs. Not very useful.
It wasn’t a tutorial…
@@BCautosutions What is it then?
@@andybonneau9209 a video showing a shortcut that the best can be done from the conventional recommended way. Obviously if it were a step by step tutorial I would have started the video by showing how to remove valve cover but there’s tons of videos on that
That was bad. Please don't try this job based on this video.
Well considering this isn’t a step by step tutorial I ageee with you. This was just to show that there’s a quicker way to do it vs how everyone else is doing it.