Flocking a Race Car Dashboard THE PROPER WAY
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2020
- Here is a short vlog of me prepping and flocking a dashboard and some trim pieces for a BMW race car for Intimate Detailing.
This work has all been completed in house and within a sealed temperature controlled booth.
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Damn that was an amazing finished product
Awesome. Nice to see a craftsman at work 👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
I wish you were in the US man…. Watching and seeing you work is making me want to start a flocking business out here ! Thanks for being amazingly helpful even in your responses!
No problem Jason, if ever you need any help you can reach out to me on facebook/whatsapp and I will help if I can. Thank you for the kind comments
It's very common in Europe especially Germany. There's a German company that does it and a whole different scale and they actually give you warranty
Great info, I wasn't sure how to prep foam backed vinyl and this is the only video I could find with any useful tips.
Glad it was helpful!
thank you for all these explanations, they are very interesting.
No problem at all Karim, thank you for watching and your support.
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 are you in Europe?
@@karimouldtahar3228 UK
Hey there, I'm sure this is kind of random but I have a question. do you have any recommendation for how to reduce the affects created by the static machine that are felt physically? Like if a person where inside of a faraday enclosure would they not feel the hair teasing and tickling affect of the static? Or do you use anything in your shop to reduce the stray static in the air? I ask because my apartment is above a flocking business and inquiring within hasn't been much help. Although sometimes it's annoying I ask in concern for my girlfriends and 2 dogs health.
a strong earth is the way to control static charge and the objects it interacts with.
So is the applicator similar to a powder coat gun? Looking to do.my.dash and I have an old gun I don't use for powder any more was thinking of using it instead of the tube thing the kitchen comes with
Yes you can use a powdercoating gun but you have to be very careful with it, ideally flocking is done with no air assistance as this can cause the fibres to land un-uniformed, also the voltage is a lot lower on a powder coating machine.
If I flock something and it comes out a bit patchy, to fix can I reapply glue to the entire piece and then reflock? Or do I need to somehow remove everything and start again?
I have a Volkswagen MK6 Jetta it has a hard plastic dash that's what the dealership says so how would I make it work
Hello sir, thank you for posting this video. I have a question if anybody can help me -- I have a mid-90s G20 van. That has some panels that I believed are flocked. They are worn, and I wish to re-surface them with new flock. Is there a technique to removing old flock?
Hello Roberto, sorry for the late reply, the best way imo to remove is good old fashioned elbow grease in the form of hand sanding, A DA sander can be used but you must be careful to not damage the surface, all adhesive and flock must be removed to achieve a perfect finish when re-flocking. I hope this helps.
Awesome work mate. Do you sell a kit I could buy of adhesive and flock at all as I'm seeing reviews and they're so mixed! I'd much rather get something I know is decent and trusted by someone in the UK 👍🏻
Hello Danny, sorry for the delay in responding, sorry I do not sell kits as I buy in bulk from wholesale and would not have the time to decant so to speak. Have a look at Campbell Coutts, they provide my machinery and they also supply kits for hobbyists. I hope this helps
Hi, Thank you for posting these unique and helpful videos/I live in the USA,I have a BMW 325i,1989year convertible. I want to flock the dashboard which I'm working on. Can you post the brand name and type of martials you are using for the flocking? much appreciated and thank you
In the uk I use equipment from DCA, a simple google search will bring up their details. Hope this helps.
Hi I am doing the interior of my car and I heard you say that it’s not a good idea to add the adhesive straight on to the plastic surface such as the dashboard, obviously the cleaning part is a must using a some kind of degreaser such as alcohol, You then mentioning that if you treat it with something the adhesive will stick better, can you give me some tips on what to use?
Hello Marco, it all depends on the material you are applying the adhesive to, abs, polyprop ect which can usually be identified on the back side of the part in thr part number or material description. Key'ing up the surface and sometimes applying heat is a massive advantage. The chemicals I use are a bit of a secret but if you speak to your adhesive supplier they will be able to advise on a solution/chemical to assist you. I learn about the chemical properties from speaking to one of my composite resin suppliers, one major thing is to never ever use any type of dash cleaner which has silicone as this will just cause the adhesive to lift instantly
I have an e46 dash which is black and beige. I want to get it flocked but would the beige show through? I can’t decide whether I need to just buy a fully black dash or not.
Hello Dan, no not at all. Any good coverage application should ensure a 100% solid colour, plus the adhesive must always be pigmented to the associated colour to help amplify the colour's richness. I hope this helps.
I am in Portugal and going to attempt this on my Fiat 128 Abarth. Are all of the flocking electrostatic machines about the same, or is there big advantage to more expensive equipment. My dash is plastic, and the sun has started to peel it a bit (it gets 40 degrees out here), but its a simple dash and pretty small. No one out here does flocking so im on my own
Speak to DCA in the uk
Does the dash shed or rub off after it’s fully cured? Or does it hold up very good ?
It is very resilient, the adhesive used is high grade epoxy and the primers used also help promote a tough adhesion
Good job mate. Why do you choose to brush the resin on and not spray it on though?
Hello EP, well I have found that using the spray causes a lot of atomisation in the air which causes airborne flock to ball. This probably isn't a problem if you flock in an open space but as I use a sealed booth its not an option. I have also found that spray adhesives just don't have the same strength as brush on. Cheers
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 gotchya. Yeah i used to do alot of flocked interiors aswell as furniture items such as ornate mirrors and frames. I used to just fire it on with the hvlp after warming the epoxy in the microwave to thin it. Haven't flocked in years, gave up due to health concerns. Which epoxy do you use for the flocking? I used to use West systems but this is way before flock became so popular. Ive not seen how the epoxies have progressed for years and ive just got myself a little 205gti to get back into track work in, I'll end up flocking that but is there any more modern alternatives adhesive wise now days
@@ep91monster The actual resin I use now is a combination of elements which is kind of secret now, but it is epoxy based but has a few other elements to both help adhesion and mainly conductivity.
How durable is it compared to just wrapping it in alcantara?
Awesome video! Do you mix up much epoxy to cover an average size dash?
Hello Dan, approx 100g
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 do you tend to thin the epoxy you use as I have recently completed my first dash and felt the epoxy was quite thick to spread after mixing the hardener and a small amount of acetone and felt when I started that some areas felt like it was skinning as I can notice what I feel is a little light coverage
@@dantregale218 Hello Dan, I used to use Acetone to make it easy to apply but found there is a fine line between how much you use as it can affect final adhesion. I have now found a resin system which suits my neds but I also add a number of other products to aid different purposed, one being adhesion, flowability and conductivity. Best advice I can give is contact your local resin supplier and explain the exact purpose you have for the resin and they can best advise you from there. Hope this helps mate.
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 thanks bud for all the info, I have contacted the company I have purchased through to try and get some more information also, I have also asked them if there is anything I can do with these areas (can isolate area and re epoxy and flock again or would I require to strip the whole lot) I used around 7% of the volume of acetone - think they advised can be up to 20% thinned, however it seems odd how 90% of the dash is near perfect but these odd areas which I feel didn’t react the same) thanks again and great vids bud
Hi I've been trying this out myself but I keep getting mixed results , small parts come out fine bigger parts always come out patchy as thought the flock is sinking into the glue or not taking to the glue , do you have any tips or suggestions?
use a slower curing resin and a proper machine, you can only be as good as the equip and materials being used
Nice video. Can a moulded headliner have flock applied? It's for a 2003 Vectra. Also, where are you located?
Paul 😎
Hi Paul, yes it can, sometimes depending on the lining surface it may need laminating to remove any pourus properties but its a simple process. I am located in CH7 3PL, feel free to whatsapp me 07894636707
Will this last the life of the car or is it something that would have to be redone after so many seasons?
Its all down to how you look after it, as long as its cared for then it should last a very long time.
Hola qué tal? O primero decirte que Te sigo en el canal y me parece realmente interesante, quiero flockar mi salpicadero del coche he co.orado la máquina y en flocking Flickr para flockarlo, mi duda es, que material hay que echar para fijar en el plástico? Yo tenía la idea de lijar y echar cola blanca al agua, pero veo que le echas después del lijado como un fijador o imprimación no es así ?? que es exactamente? Y donde puedo conseguirlo? Luego le echas pegamento pero que pegamento y donde puedo conseguirlo también? En una ferretería habría este material? Dispongo de máquina para Flockar, espero que me quede bien, antes de despedirme quería dar las gracias anticipadamente y agradecer de nuevo tu dedicación para enseñar. Un saludo desde Asturias, España. ✌🏼
please drop me a message in English or whatsapp 07894 636 707 and I will try to help
when flocking a dash board, will the dash be soft like suede?
Hello Ryan, yes it will
what adhesive did you use bc mine cured within like 10 minutes, it looked like with yours you had a lot of work time before it cured
epoxy with slow hardener
Hi There Can flocking with stand exteriors? I am thinking to do on my newly made motorbike fairings. Thank you in advance
I can yes, but it can also be damaged like any other part. The main downside is that its a very difficult finish to touch up should any damage occur.
I know this is an old video but I hope you see this..
What kind of primer do you use before applying the adhesive? I work in a bodyshop so be as "technical" as you can 😁
Also when baking it in the booth are you baking it at the same temperature as you would for paint or does it need to be a bit lower?
Hi there, temp is simply elevated to around 35 degrees, enough to ensure a full cure and the post cure will simply happen in time once installed, the primer is a adhesion promoter designed to be used with epoxy resin on self releasing surfaces.
amazing work! what brand flock did you go with?
.5mm flock, thank you
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 im guessing thats the thickness of the fibers?.. what brand/manufacturer did you use?
@@Lucas-ie2ti Cambell Couts
Hi there
What s color did you use? Black charcoal or grey? Thank you
Is there a specific glue you have to use with any electrostatic applicators
I use a custom blended resin which has a slow cure, I also add additives which increase the conductivity of the resin once earthed to give much fuller finish.
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 what kind of additives do you recommend
@@alvarozamora3493 Im afraid this is a Autoflock trade secret as it took years to perfect, but as a base, you want to add addatives which increase conductivity and also adhesion/coverage during application. Speak to your resin supplier and explain the surfaces/method you are using and they will be able to advise you
Hello. Where can i get the flock, the adhesive and the applier?
ebay or specialized stores, ERO Flock is a nice applier
I am from the uk, the machine I use is a DCA, here is a link www.flocking.biz/fabricoat_series_400.html
they can provide everything you need. I hope this helps.
Hi
What kind of adhesive you used?
2 part Epoxy
how to prepare a plastic that is self releasing?
Hello FaFa, depending on the type of plastic various methods are used from sanding the surface, to heat treatment to adhesion promoting primer.
What primer did you use ?
Sorry thats a bit of a trade secret which took my a long time and money to find, I have given everyone a clue by even mentioning it as most other don't, probably due to them not using it hence a lot of issues with other people work peeling off.
Best advice I can give is try various products, try to find a combination which works for you.
Finally someone actually flocking a dashboard and not throwing flock onto the glue from a cardboard tube hahaha
LOL thanks very much V :-)
what sort of primer is that ? just transparent plastic primer ?
similar but its more of an adhesion promoter, bit of a secret which took me years to find from trial and error. Sorry im not much help with this but its aspects like this which set one company away from the rest.
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 no worries dude, I totally understand. I have one more question if you dont mind. I am really curious if this lasts in heat, like doesnt it come off or bubble? Also how about cleaning?
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 would you recommend lightly sanding the dash to prep for better adhesion?
What chemical do you use to prep it to clean it and how long did it last on this car I love this stuff
Probably an acitone
@@bufordmaddogtannen5164 ?
I use a non silicone based degreaser
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 I'm so basically you have to really really prep the plastic panels with a degreaser before laying the glue down ?
@@kcg7861 without giving too much info away different surfaces/materials need different pre-adhesive treatments to help aid adhesion. This something that can only be achieved with experience, trial and error. (as I have found)
Hi mate, my flock adhesive dries way too quickly, how can I avoid this
You need to choose a slower curing adhesive which I know sounds obvious but try contacting your local resin/adhesive supplier and they will give you some options. When I first started I purchased the adhesive from the same place who supplies the flock. But then found it to be a generic epoxy resin and as you say the pot life was just too short for larger projects. There are plenty of epoxy resins on the market such as MAAS
masepoxies.com/
resins or SP115
www.mouldcraft.co.uk/shop/4572905647/sp115-ultra-clear-fast-cure-low-viscosity-laminating-epoxy-resin-./9819356
which give various hardener options to achieve the desired working time. Lastly working ambient temp plays a big part, I try to keep the workshop very cool when im working the resins be it flocking or composite work. Then once the work is complete ramp the temp up. I hope this helps.
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 thank you so much mate 🙌🏼 I’ll have a look at what you sent
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 hello , where can I buy a set to do this in my place?
How much do you charge for this service on a car dash?
Hello munky, it all depends on the car, if you want a quotation email info@autoflock.co.uk or message the facebook page and I will be happy to generate a quotation for your requirements. Many thanks
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 Thanks! I will message you on FB when I get a second... you can check out the car on Instagram @RedRumViper if you want to see the project so far
What is the average price for that kind of flock per kilogram?
It doesn't get priced by the weight more on the job itself, the materials are not too expensive, the price is determined more by the amount of labour involved.
Hey what the size of your flock fibre?
Can i use wood glue ?
Hello Si, on this dash I used a .35mm flock, very fine as it helped with the change in direction over the pods. usually I use a longer fibre
@@sisi-oe2sf You can use any glue you want, but the important properties required are good conductivity, enough working time and most of all good adhesion.
And here is the part we cleaned and degreased, followed by lots of fingers touching it🤣🤣. Ok, I'm sure you hadn't really cleaned it, especially not with the sticker still on it, but that made me laugh anyway
Thanks for you uneducated comment, the cleaning solvents I use are air drying and do leave finger prints, this does not affect the adhesion in anyway, also the sticker is in an area which was not to be flocked which can be seen clearly in the finished item. Keep trying ;-)
@@autoflockmotorsport7730 Wow, you are an angry dude🤣 That said, my comment was in no way "uneducated", it was based on observation. Did you not said you cleaned the part and then touched it many times? Talking uneducated, Air drying solvent? They all are, they evaporate, that's their property
@@kailuafrog Not angry dude all happy here pal, the solvent used removes any contaminants on the surface, the finger prints will have no impact on the adhesion with the epoxy, I understand what you are saying from your observation and yes you are correct finger prints are visible but the way round that would be to use gloves when handling the part after cleaning. But as there adhesion is not affected I just don't see the need if that makes sense mate. Maybe if I was using a lesser quality resin then maybe it would be beneficial but this epoxy really is good stuff.