[TF2] Why People Hate Medic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
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Why people hate medic: they don't like playing him while blaming medics for their mistakes.
Don't worry. Medic mains hate everyone else, for overextending, not backing up uber pushes, not spy checking or calling, and complaining about not being over-healed while 7 other people are on critical health.
@@ericv00 that's every annoyance I've ever had in pubs while playing medic which is very often.
@@ericv00 god i feel you man. That one demo screaming MEDIC when hes at full health while hitting me with a pan while i trie to heal the dying engi and soldier, WHILE THE FUCKING DEMO MAKES MY EARS BLEED.
*Goes scout*
*Paints lime*
*steal every medpacks*
*say in chat "useless medic"*
@@ericv00 this is further exemplified by the medic being a battle medic
Every TF2 mercenary is surgically fitted with a brain stem clamp, that when activated at mercenary's request via nerve signals, immediately disconnects the brain stem from the rest of the body. As a result, the individual falls to the ground dead instantaneously. I asked upper management about what the purpose of the clamp is. I was under the impression it was used for the sake of self destruction in case of capture, akin to a cyanide pill. However, I could have never been prepared for when my supervisor informed me that after reconnection and redeployment, the mercenaries have been calling their acts of suicide 'Funny'.
Why are you giving lore to killbinding? I love this idea in all seriousness tho.
Bruh if you don't find someone falling down the stairs and then exploding or two mercenaries jumping and both of them commit suicide at the same time funny your humor is nothing but a void
Some of the explosive-focused mercenaries seem to try to enjoy their last moments by propelling themselves high into the air before committing suicide.
I heard a few of the mercenaries even have an explosive device insife of them that will completely destroy their body in one big, icky mess with little collateral damage. At first I thought it was for making an example out of mercenaries that step out of line, but apparently they've co-opted that into their sick sense of humour, like the brain stem clamp you described. You'll have a group of mercs laughing at something and them immediately just fucking explode.
It's... kind of funny in a sick sort of way.
But something clicks in them in their last moment, as they scream in terror, watching their long-lived bodies being torn apart violently by their own command.
The moment I enjoyed the most in TF2 is when the enemy asks why our team is always fully healed
I would just reply with: " haha funny heal beam go zwoom".
@@Not_kotzee i replied "communication not available for this account"
@@the_apotecary_from_tf2 big brain moment
@@the_apotecary_from_tf2 feels bad
Mine was when someone on the enemy team yelled “WHY WONT THIS PYRO DIE”
I had been crossbowing said pyro from a safe distance away and been hitting them all.
Who actually hates medic as a whole? Maybe things like the vaccinator, and occasionally Uber to get past some chokes? (which is the point of the ability) I think the people who "hate the medic" just hate some of his abilities that make him an essential class to a good matchup. Still a great video though. Keep it up, dude
I hate medic
Medic to My eyes is just a class that people change to just so they can get Revenge on someone whos domming them
@@andresrios1117 Me and all the other medic mains: Scuse me?
Really wish people would remember that team fortress is a team game, Vaccinator and quickfix both just require some focus fire. Shit gets unbalanced the less players you involve in the equation because obviously less people means less bullets
@@fluffybat5421 i probably shouldve said that i only play hightower, when it comes to pubs and comp, medics are OK, i still don't like them, but they are ok
Heavy is hated because “When I play him, I die instantly! But when other people play heavy, I die to them over and over!”
That’s basically it. Like “WHY THE HELL WON”T THIS HEAVY DIE? I”VE HIT HIM SIX TIMES!” But when you play him: “GOD I DIED AGAIN? I HAVE 300 HEATH? WHY do i die so fast.
Fighting a heavy will always go one of two ways: They will kick your ass without even trying, or they've got the skill of a fresh install who chose heavy because they thought he was the best. No exceptions, unless you are also playing heavy, then killing each other will usually go back and forth.
when you're winning, it's great!
when you're losing, ughhh.
@@thegreensunsetgroup2501 Based
never met a pub heavy that can consistently beat a good demo, he's too linear and he just doesn't have enough potential to stand up to the real damage classes
"The class everyone loves but no one wants to play"
@EGGFUCKER2
There are like. 2 or 4 of them.
But I choose him quite a bit.
@EGGFUCKER2 Same lmao
@EGGFUCKER2 same lmao
@EGGFUCKER2 wait, a fellow medic main?
Having no medics on your team sucks.
Having 1 medic is great.
Having 2 medics is nigh unbeatable.
Having 3 or more medics goes back to sucking.
yeah. It's horrible when you have 6 medics and ALL OF THEM ARE POCKETING A SINGLE GUY.
You have 15hp, you call out "Medic!" but no, the guy they all are pocketing is a higher priority, even though he is a soldier but isn't taking down the buildings and has full overheal .
i’ve been in a situation on barnblitz last where we just couldn’t push in cause of well, barnblitz last, and after someone in teamchat says we need an uber like 30 seconds later there’s 5 medics on the team and i’m wondering why we have so many medics.
3 Medics is what i’d call the upper limit, any more and the loss of other classes is outweighing the diminishing healing and uber potential.
unless it’s a 32 player server, then probably never have healing overlap
You haven't experienced a heavy wall with 3 heavies and 3 medics? It's a cheese strategy that can roll a team that isn't prepared for it
@@chickennugget6684 To be fair, there is no class that would benefit from having more than 2 or 3 of it on same team. Granted, having 4 soldiers, demoman or pyros isn't exactly bad, it usually means your team is unbalanced
I had a game yesterday with 4 medics and we curb-stomped the other team to kingdom come. Several good medics supplemented by some decent damage dealers will be a fucking headache to deal with unless you have coordination
No Joke I was in 2Fort sewers being chased by 2 aggressive scouts, and the Overdose allowed me to outmaneuver them somehow and kill both of them, leaving them dumbfounded and their spectating teammates laughing his ass off that the medic survived
I wish I could've saved it to show you, would've been glorious sadly servers dont allow shadow play to work
Medal :)
You deserve a metal doc
Medal works and shadow play works for me
pub
the overdose is so effective against demoknights
"The Vaccinator may take skill but it's still stupid and broken and I want it nerfed!" -Sniper Mains oblivious to irony
partly why i main the Classic.
@@thatguybrody4819 Nobody is born cool.. except of course ^ this guy. Much respect 👍
@@Flynn217something can't complain about playing sniper if you're using objectively the worst weapon.
@@thatguybrody4819 My sniper loadouts have the Huntsman or Classic as the primary
Anything else is boring
@@thatguybrody4819 and the sad thing is, it's still good, it can still insta kill from across the map. Just goes to show how op the other rifles wre
I've been a medic main for ages, and despite the people who have their left index finger taped to their e key and the people who blame medics for literally everything that goes wrong, I genuinely think it's the most rewarding class to learn and play. Knowing that you alone can tip the scales of an entire game without killing a single enemy is definitely a power trip people don't give enough credit to
i can completely agree.
when you aren't playing with someone who should have their e button and fingers surgically removed, being that single fella who led the team to victory is just a great feeling.
Plus, the more you practice, the less people complain, or even compliment you. And if someone’s really a dick, you can revoke heals.
@@quinn799 big yes on that last point. People’s attitudes change real fuckin quick when they realise you basically decide who on your team gets live
@@quinn799 insert stereotypical scout half health complaining in vc that I am healing a heavy at lower health being attacked by the enemy team whilst the scout is completely safe in government backed by our entire team. But I guess he needs healing more as such a mobile class where health doesn't matter much and he could be being useful by stealing enemy health and ammo packs.
Exactly! God, I ADORE playing medic
I genuinely got terrified when you mentioned the overdose
When using the overdose, he becomes an eldritch horror
I can't find this video anymore, but I saw a video of Space on an energy drink binge going insane in vc with the overdose.
I'm not crazy, ik it exists!
The only thing I hate about *playing* as Medic is when you uber some W+M1 12 IQ genius, only for half the team to ambush me, proceed to body-block and/or blasting me away from my patient, and then the oblivious Einstien to go: "WTF MEDIC" after dying to the sentry while he wasn't glowing.
That's not so bad! I find it worse when I Uber a soldier and then they rocket jump away somehow expecting me to follow them
@@lukewebb604 Well, at least in that scenario I can just fall back to another power class and heal them instead.
@@Konfektionery Ah of course!!! Until you realise the only people behind you on your team are the 3 spies and 2 snipers lol
@@lukewebb604 Welp, I guess at that point you might as well join them lmao
Yeah,but sometimes i can't hear "Help!" From medic while you having DOPAMIN boost in your brain.
Sorry,probably its me whenever i doing critz push or uber.
i also want to give an extra special shoutout to the Vaccinator for also being a blatantly obvious "Hacker Counter" between nullifying crits and the damage resistance.
And the fact that you get 4 ubers with it for the price of 1 full bar
@@nowanimportant8887 you basically get to choose how long you are committing to fighting a specific type of damage, yeah.
As a medic main, I unironically use the solemn vow.
I think the biggest thing as well is just that new players who try medic don't understand that when you're medic, *KEEP. MOVING.* one of the fastest and surest way to die, regardless of class, is to just not move. As a medic though, everything will come your way, so keep moving about to throw the aim of the enemies of and ask for help if you're under fire
i love the solemn vow when i play med
'the stock uber always flashes like it's about to end'
Medic makes the game all about him. He's fundamentally a competitive character, with how powerful but relatively defenseless he is, which is fine if you're wanting a competitive experience. But if you're just having a stupid dm-fest on a 24/7 Landfall server, the first heavy+medic furry combo to appear is going to ruin that completely. Medic makes any game he's in that much more sweaty.
"relatively defenceless" *gets instand killed by a melee crit for the fourth time*
@@knockoffterminator2718 random crits don't belong in balance discussions, they inherently ruin any skill expression. In a server without random crits, he is relatively defenseless.
Honestly I think that works in tf2's favor, as the lovely robin Walker once stated "
We had a mechanic in tfc where you could go demo and plant a big bomb to blow up parts of the map. What we found was people would switch to demo, place the bomb, then switch back. Everyone knew it needed done but no one wanted to do it. While our solution for the medic isn't perfect, we knew that having him be the most important class in the game was necessary for people to play him."
Something like that.
wait people hate medic? no scunts don't count as people.
People who want to win games and don't want to play medic hate him because if both teams are exactly the same skill level and one has a medic, that team is the one who wins
@@baglespelledwrong8159 how is that a bad thing? medic is the only support class, aside from engineer, thus having his presence boosts team survivability many time over
@@hajimehinata5854 its a bad thing for them because them not having a medic often means they will lose if the other medic is competent
@@baglespelledwrong8159 That's the point of supports? I could be biased, but the same thing happens with sniper and sometimes spy.
@@yogurtColombiano spy is the weakest class in the game, no way you're saying you need one to win
I feel like the Vaccinator doesn't even get enough credit here for how powerful it is. 75% resistance, plus the standard 24 healing per second, plus the fact it charges even faster if you're blocking damage, plus the ability to RECHARGE MORE UBERS WHILE USING ITS UBER - the healing and resistance alone make it stronger than a Quick-Fix uber if the enemies dont have multiple damage types shooting at you, making it absurd if you're going into a flank and skirmishing only one person at a time.
Exactly. Whenever I'm using Medic I MAIN the Vaccinator
quickfix med over here
@@charcoalchaz1205 Just bc a medigun offers more mobility doesn't make it any better than the 75% resistance and easily renewable mini-ubers
@@__0bliv1on__ just because a weapon is better than other options doesnt mean you have to only use that weapon
@@bangbangliu2146 yeah u know what? U got me there. I'll give ya credit for that one
Medic is a tough case.
People hate him when he's competent and from the other team but people need him on their team
As a Medic main I wanna see where this goes
You are great and I'm proud of you
Kinda disappointed he dismissed the solemn vow.
It's meta in 6v6's for the passive information it gives. Passive as in you don't have to whip it out to get it's full use.
@@bronzetrophy2171 its also pretty fun in tandem with the overdose and the quick fix since you can quickly build up über to move faster and then use the increased movement to rush down enemies on low health.
The ubersaw does not have an increased crit chance through healing, that's been debunked. Its crit chance calculation works the same as every other melee.
Yet whenever I pull it out, it never fails to fucking crit the poor pyro who thought my medic was an ez kill.
Is it not point based (as opposed to damage based)?
Yeah I’m gonna be honest, I’m not sure why medic’s ubersaw had developed this myth. Every melee than can random crit feels exactly the same as the ubersaw in terms of how often it crits.
@@bitcidic Well no, it still does at minimum _feel_ like it random crits immensely more often than other melees, and I would say it actually did if it weren't for how the math literally states otherwise.
It does, as the assisted damage your teammate does whilst healing provides you with that boost of up to 60% if your target does 600 damage. That's not some hidden code or theory, its a mechanic
Space really shows the good of the non-srock syringe guns.Many people don't use them and call them bad because "they are not the crossbow".These two are really good.It's just the crossbow has more general usage
As a person who has played medic main for over ten years now, I have couple good tips.
1. Be situationally aware. Heal your whole team, but in combat prioritize those who can clean the enemy fastest. Get pocketed only when aiming for űber charge breakthrough, or when alone with your pocket.
2. Learn to shoot with your syringe guns. They are deadly when you actually deliver most of the projectiles to the target.
3. Stay hidden or move constantly in random patterns.
4. Be unpredictable. There is nothing more satisfying than slipping and capping intel as medic. Many players do not expect medic to do these things and that is why it sometimes goes under their radar.
5. Be patient, do not expect to be top at the leaderboard. Just help your team and suddenly you may find yourself on top 3 through the shit ton of assists (remember, situational awarness).
as a medic main i feel that its important to point out that medic is only as good as his teammates
sure maybe 1 or 2 bad teammates might not deter him that much but if most of the team is incompetent
then you could have 1 of the best medics around and they'd be bottom scoring because medics being
able to keep someone alive is only useful if the patient can utilize that survivability
This.
It sucks when you get into a deadlock where you do everything right but your team is just not skilled enough to push through, as i’m wondering how i’m the top of my team and how the last 3 ubers on the last point didn’t get us a win.
THIS. 640 Hrs medic main here. wholeheartedly agree.
Medic is like a tiebreaker or like he said on the video: an AMPLIFIER. That means if there's nothing to amplify in the first place, its still nothing. 0 x 1 million = still 0.
Medic really shines when both team have competent individuals, and that medic acts as the tiebreaker, either a med vs no med, or one med has higher survivability than the other team's med (or the team protects the med better)
TL;DR: I don't care if you're FROYO SH4DE himself, or Jesus coming down from heaven Himself. If your team is bad. (and the other team isn't), You're still gonna lose. (if both team are bad, back to the tiebreaker or amplifier explanation, you might still be able to shine if you adjust your playstyle, like being more passive and falling back more often cause you can't rely on those teammates to protect you, etc. etc.)
So when the imbalance is too much (like all white badge tier 1, a couple of tier 2 and 3, vs a gold badge 150 tier 8, and a couple tier 5-7), don't be a "I can fix him" med. REQUE. LEAVE!
Your time is precious. You deserve better teammates to play with. The medic himself said "my skill is wasted on this team." for a reason.
Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
Ah yes, medic, my main class that made me develop a 6th sense for danger, a superiority complex, true nirvana, unlimited patience and daredevil tendencies.
As a wise man once said on a discord call "The strongest class in TF2 is a good Medic and the second strongest class in TF2 is a bad Medic."
The strongest is medic, the second is a good sniper
Okay, I have a concept for a "weapon" for Medic (it's a medi-gun), and I guess I should present it here while we're discussing what is good and bad about Medic.
This medi-gun can allow for healing many people at once by selecting people within a specific range and having multiple beams. If only one person is within this range, all beams will converge on them and heal them even more than your average heal ray.
The drawbacks: You cannot übercharge anyone. Instead, the amount of über you have will directly increase the amount you can heal people at a time.
I want to know how balanced this would be. I am leaving the specific numbers blank because I want you guys to fill these numbers in to make it balanced.
(hot take alert)
Anyways, people target Medic all the time. It's fine for Medic to use the Vaccinator.
I mean, the drawback of taking away his most powerful tool in exchange for multi-healing, which he can do with Crossbow and Medgun, is a bit iffish
@@callumbreton8930 Well, just know that Über now increases healing with this gun, and you can heal one person significantly more than your average beam.
By this feedback, I'm guessing that the beams would have to heal about 18hp per second when at 0% Über.
Now, how much would about 5% Über increase the heal rate in order to make this balanced? I was thinking about 10hp per 5%. What do you think?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 at some point he'll just have the same heal speed as the quick-fix or its respective ubercharge's heal rate
Okay, so. What if it allowed the one being healed to step off screen for longer?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 so a bigger medi-beam range?
People hate medic because medic hates people cause when you play in any pub there is a 90% chance you'll just be seen as a walking dispenser until you get Uber then *everybody* wants your attention so, shrug
The Medic being so high-powered makes up for the fact that less than 10% of players consistently choose him.
playing medic is like being left handed
How?
@@dyingscarlet abnormal
Depends on the practice level.
Tbh I wasn’t aware Medic mains were rare, I just started playing the game and found he clicked the best with my playing style
10:49 the increased crit chance is a myth, that's been proven by GermanPeter and Theory Y studios. It's probably just confirmation bias.
Crit rate is scaled with damage done during a life, so does the damage done by the medics pocket increase the medics crit chance? It makes sense to me.
The "increased" crit chance applies to all of Medic's weapons, your crit rate increases from 15% to 60% with melees based on damage you dealt in a 10 second interval.
With the exception of Medic who has how much damage he does in additon to how much damage whoever he's healing does.
It's one of those things muddled in poor terminology, his crit chance "rate" is increased but the actually chance is the same, for a video though explaining that kinda draws away from the point.
@@TheLunarMan your pocket has no effect on you. That's like if Sniper's kukri got a bonus crit rate for enemies being hit while Jarate'd by anyone else but you
@@TheLunarMan I myself believed that but GermanPeter proved that to be false as well.
@@SpaceGuyOnline fair enough.
Medic does NOT gain increased crit chance through healing. Melee just has a crazy crit rate.
melee has a 15% crit rate
feels like 70%
bold of you to assume the ubersaw will ever connect on a hit
Crit chance ramps up as you do damage, this effect is heavily amplified for melee weapons. The reason this effect is most noticeable on medic is that damage done by the medic's heal target also adds to the medic's damage value for this ramp up.
@@andrewlechner6343no it doesnt
@sex, death & the infinite void ok, some tf2 TH-camr did a video on this, look it up.
When you have that 3rd bad spy you don't notice. When you have a single bad medic it can break your whole team.
Popping uber early. Popping uber late. Being too agressive when they need to sit the fuck down and heal you.
I've seen medics break uber to use their blutsager in the middle of a fucking push.
No
That doesn’t seem like it’s a good and or smart thing to do
Then again I use the quick fix and tend to panic and fat finger when I realize no one followed me and the person I ubered that has now died
The Solemn Vow is great for battle medic or even just defending yourself when your team runs off or something. The ability to tell whether you should fight or run also synergizes well with the overdose which allows you to do either easier.
Put simply:
The Solemn Vow is better if the enemy is sentient.
The Ubersaw is better if they are not.
You can guess which category pubs fall into
Made me remember this guide.
th-cam.com/video/M3BRy64lmkI/w-d-xo.html
@@lamptowel Well the Ubersaw is still better if the enemy is sentient because of the massive reward. For example you as the medic in comp may occasionally have a run in with a Spy or get the chance to ubersaw a low hp target, and are rewarded handsomely.
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 you do not play competitive
@@lamptowel fine fine, though counting damage is a vital skill.
Honestly medic is a class I love playing so much. Taking care to heal up teammates and give them the stamina to keep up the attack and survive what they might not otherwise and just watching an hp bar fill up gives me so much satisfaction.
I knew I had really been making the right choice when once upon a time I got autobalanced in the last 60 minutes of a dustbowl match I was playing defense's medic on and vc was immediately "oh NOW we get a good medic". I still look back to that moment with pride (fuck autobalance though)
As a medic main though, i'll say I both hate and love the vaccinator. Passively keeping an eye out to protect myself and teammates makes me feel like i'm taking an even more active role empowering someone to make more aggressive actions that would otherwise put them too much in harm's way, and I like being able to turn almost any class into a much more defensively-capable entity. But playaing against it... it's so gross. Its like having the enemy pop a whole uber on you except ten times as disposeable. Feels more like you had your entire life there wasted at the cost of 25% the enemy medic's uber, which they'll regain in a few seconds anyway because of the ridiculous build rate vaccinator has. It... just takes too much teamwork to be overrun, teamwork pubs just don't have, which make it feel cringeworthy and sweaty to deal with in casual.
As much as I do like it as a result of how it feels to _put up with_ I generally hold a karmic sort of belief over it, and don't use it unless its a really particular situation calling for it (enemies wont kick a bot or cheater or are spamming heavies, etc...)
nobody hates the medic, everybody prays for one
Holy shit just reading some of the comments here shows how people don't know how to play Medic
10:53 actually healing does not increase crit chance, for some reason medics are just really lucky
@@strain3652 it does not, this has been proven wrong multiple times
also i think the reason why people think medic players are lucky, is because they only notice when they get hit by that 1/6 chance, the other times don't count to them and are easily forgotten
@@cyre77 Does wiki have that info or is there a video disproving it? It would make sense if it was just confirmation bias.
@@strain3652 german peter has in the past, theory-y has done it again more recently, and just personnal observation from games and personnal testing with samples that were too small to be reliable
10:55 medic does not gain extra crit rate for healing
3:50 amm actually the crussaders crossbow actually CAN headshot when it was added but it was patched in another updated
also because it's a bow
I play medic as a health dispenser, rarely pocketing someone for that long unless it’s for an Uber push. A good medic who spreads heals along the entire team regularly, keeping over half of them alive during spicy combat, can be challenging for the medic but it’s more of a challenge for the enemy if they don’t have a semi-competent sniper to pick off the healer since it feels like the entire enemy team is nigh invincible, just eating your bullets as an appetizer for the main course.
the solemn vow is great. in 6s they use it instead of the ubersaw, since realistically against good players even if you do get a saw you're dying right after. letting your team know the hp of somebody is very useful. i can even see use in pubs where you can try and snipe low hp enemies with your crossbow if you know they're low.
Exactly! It turns medic into a pick class.
People are taking this video too seriously.
I see that in the intro saurce spaghetti tortured you so much that rather than trying to fix the uber charge you decided to use the Australium weapons
Clever fix
Thanks for your good work
I'm a Medic main myself and I have a lot of issues with my 'colleagues'.
I have seen medics break a push just to ubersaw somebody ahead of us. I've had Medics mid uber push take out the crossbow and cost the push. I have seen this happen many times and each time I call out the Medic for what the fuck he is doing.
These two weapons utterly ruin the class and promote this weird playstyle that is overly aggressive it seems.
They need to be reworked and fixed. They, and the other Medic items, need to be brought to a more equal playing field so braindead Medics stop fucking up pushes.
My main loadout is Overdose exclusively (unless I battle medic, then I use the crossbow), and the Amputator/Vox.
Overdose is far, far to useful for me to give up. My survival takes priority. A dead medic is a useless medic.
(But a sniper medic is jesus medic)
I am a medic main and NEVER battle medic with Crossbow. I play crossbow for active medic. which I always am. I take overdose (because I have no blutsauger), amputator and quickfix if friends are not covering me. amputator helps with afterburn I guess. Stock crossbow and Ubersaw is noic3
I don't quite agree about the crossbow part. Ubersaw, yeah maybe, people tend to go apeshit crazy with it. When it comes to the crossbow majortiy of medics use it to try and quickly heal teammates, people who use it to chase others would've done so regardless of what their primary weapon is.
And you can't chase with a crossbow that well, tough to hit single bolts around corners while pursuing
@@shahnazbegum400 except it uses projectile hit boxes so you can...
I love playing medic and it really hurts my conference when someone on my team calls me "bad" or "useless" when they've been playing spy for the entire match
That MGR reference was too good, especially since you made the obvious cuts, just like the actual meme. Absolutely based, this film gets 5 bags of popcorn and 3 cups of soda from me
Medic, a class that everyone loves but no one wants to play
I think you oversold the vaccinator quite a bit, You can hate the weapon due to its strengths but it doesn't take *that* much focus fire to take you down. I understand the hate for pocketing with it but generally speaking it only takes around 2 to 3 players to take down an *ubercharge* which is something that shouldn't be easy to take down. Its simple to call out into your voice chat "hey guys shoot at that ubered player for like 3 seconds" and with any teamwork it will be done
In the clip that was shown, there was roughly 9 people all focusing fire on the Heavy I was using it with. One was a bot who even headshot the Heavy and Two realized that melee damage goes through and tried to melee the Heavy only to die.
I didn't oversell it at all.
@@SpaceGuyOnline Focus fire is a bit generous, People I play with never have issues with taking down vac medic with around 3 seconds of accurate fire. 75% is alot but against more than 3 competent players it is a death sentence.
The vaccinator suffers the same problem as sniper, in the right hands it can shut down a server
@@elecman748 Fair enough, I think medic does that just fine without the vaccinator. I have extensively used both the medigun and the vaccinator and the vac is a good side grade to the medigun which I find trumps out the vac in most team battle scenarios. the vac is going to be your goto medigun for fighting small groups. Maybe my opinion is skewed because the servers I play on people know how to deal with medic and all his ubers, sure people will testify the weapon is annoying but its not much different than a skillfully deployed stock Uber aside from its compactness and vulnerability to proper focus fire
Just adding this on to the end but im not trying to deny people from saying their opinion, obviously everyone is entitled to their own perspective on this. I am just sharing mine
@@fluffybat5421 if he dies that fast,i'm pretty sure he forgot to quick swap to the crossbow while the bubble is up for that juicy 100 hp,or they aren't backing out from the losing fight and facetanking like morons.
Well I actually main Medic, I get it why people hate medic, people get healed in between battles, or you know, pocket with kritz or vaccinators. I really hate the Vac, not gonna lie, but I get it
I honestly didn't realize medic was so hated until I saw this video, it's almost like he wasn't hated?
I don’t really think he is tbh
And within the intro we see the dreaded source filmmaker Uber glitch
Medic is a required class in TF2 for one reason and one reason only: *he's pretty much the only class you can assign Ubercharge to.*
I'm a Medic Main. Do you know what we do? Healing is good and all, but really, it's always about the Ubercharge in the end. Ubercharge is the thing that breaks stalemates, the state when the game's ground to a halt, an endless cycle of killing and being killed while absolutely no progress is made. Medic takes that stagnancy and breaks it in half. Suddenly the enemy team is running for their lives while an invincible Demoman is plowing through their defenses. That is a high of power that no class can match. Medic is the strongest; he has to be. Imagine if you gave Soldier this kind of stalemate-breaking ability. Everyone would only play Soldier! Medic's sheer vulnerability in face-to-face combat is what makes him being the overall strongest class tolerable.
And honestly let's be real playing Medic sucks, every incompetent error of your team stands out tenfold. You need that power or no one would play him and TF2 degenerates to a slog.
That's not to say healing is useless, but Ubercharge is the heart and soul of Medic gameplay.
"You are a god. Destroy them."
Re: Crusader's Crossbow.
OP? Probably. Reduce the ammo count to 20 and I think we're good. Every other Syringe Gun promotes braindead Medic gameplay of hiding and healing like coward. Boring. Fuck that! I am not a coward, I play Medic, the strongest, I do not play to hide behind Heavies! The Crusader's Crossbow promotes thinking, not stupidity, bravery, not cowardice. Its damage output is pathetic too. Really its only issue is that even if you're pulling a Crusader's Combo Heal, you never run out of Ammo. The Crusader's Combo Technique is borderline OP and you shouldn't be able to do it on a dime. You think about when to pull that Crusader's Combo Heal, does that Heavy really need to win that fight? It's too easy at current. Cut ammo in half.
Re: Ubersaw and Solemn Vow
They're equally good in Pubs. Assuming every class is at full health is a strategy that creates inefficiency. The Solemn Vow skips that inefficiency.
Re: Vaccinator
Oh boy, this thing...
Love-Hate relationship. Let's put it that way. The Vaccinator is a fundamentally tactical weapon that helps in tactical engagement. It's not a strategic weapon, but in a game like TF2, good tactics beats good strategy. It's annoying to fight as fuck and it's overpowered. But goddamn it's so fun. The only reason I don't want it nerfed is the anger I face when I play against this thing is nothing compared to the power I feel when the Demoman with a Kritz Girlfriend who thinks he's hot shit eats 100 bullets from a Gibus Heavy and dies.
If I have one thing to say to my colleagues, my fellow Medic Mains: If you want to play Kritz, that's fine. But your girlfriend Soldier is going to die when I explosive bubble the Gibus Heavy.
Vaccinator is such a fucking prick to fight but holy shit I NEED it in pubs when I play medic. I can't go back to losing my 60% uber because some scout overextended and my patient sucks too much to protect me.
I completely agree to this statement as a Medic main too.
first 30 seconds have the best ubercharge effect
bro u just made "why people hate tf2"
You know I just realized Pyro is actually a weirdly effective counter to the vaccinator if you can get to the Medic and force them to switch to flame protection while the rest of your team does almost full damage. Even better if you can consistently hit flare gun shots.
And after burn decreases all resistances by 20%. It makes every damage type from 75 percent to 55 percent
I don't hate Medics, I like them.
What I hate though when I play Medic, My game would freeze in the middle combat.
Constantly blaming myself for not healing my team and would give my teammates false sense of them getting healed and die. Or I would freeze-lag my way into the frontlines and die horribly
As a medic main this puts a smile on my face
funnily enough the ubersaw is my worst saw. whenever i equip it, random crits seem to kill me a lot more often and i never get any unless it's a miss but the stock saws faster swingspeed actually has saved my ass more often than not. and the amputator pairs fantastically with the quick fix. like it's not even funny how well they work together.
the amputator deserves more credit. it has a high skill cap and being able to heal 8 players at a choke at once isn't something to scoff at
I love the orchestral bit with the kritzkrieg because that's exactly how I feel when the entire enemy team dies and I'm sat maniacally laughing behind my pocket demo
don't think anybody actually hates medic, people just like using them as a punching bag for their own mistakes
As a Medic Main, I know exactly what you mean. Scout over here losing his shit that I didn't Crusader's Crossbow his ass from halfway across the map while he's having an ADHD filled jump seizure with his Atomizer, and I'm like oh I'm sorry, maybe if you just sat down for a bloody second I could've healed you and maybe you could've survived from that Soldier. Nope, my fault I can't hit the fastest most unpredictable moving class in the game with my projectile while I'm also dealing with trying to keep the Heavy, Soldier and Demo alive all at once so they can push the cart.
I think most people hate Medic because he gets to make fun of you for not doing his own dirty work. Feels great seeing someone dominating your entire team and knowing they basically just shoved steroids up their Carry's ass.
I am not most people. I personally hate Medic because they ruined duels. Once one is active they make it their soul reason for existing to make it as unfair as possible.
There are only like 3 Pocket combos in the EU region i absolutely hate.
2 med Solly
1 med heavy
It's annoying knowing they'll sit in spawn till uber is full and then have their 20 seconds of Glory (time you need to get where you are, +8 second's +what they manage to survive afterwards) where they are nearly uncountered by the uncoordinated team.
You have to hard focus the med as sniper (preferably Machina in most cases) or can harass the med otherwise, Wich is the only option as they'll instantly uber the moment they start taking Dammage Wich will most likely guarantee you dying.
I love the intros to these videos so much, the alteration into the leetspeak joke is chief's kiss
(Don’t take this as hate, this sharing my own experience, if you do take any offence then I’m sorry) It took me 500 hours until someone said anything bad about medic/blaming medic, usually I see people blame themselves about letting there medic die or when they die. Great video anyways, keep up the good work. If your reading this have a great day!
Title: [TF2] Why People Hate Medic
Me: "WHAT!"
Youre milking this series now, i mean come on, youre gonna make a video on every class? Dude no one hates every class.
Honestly solemn vow is really nice though as it can tell you whether or not you need to retreat from a fight or the target is low enough for you to finish them off
the solemn vow turns you into a pick class lmao
It has been tested and proven that medics don't gain a higher crit chance through healing.
Lmao, the one game he is recording in, I’m playing engineer and doing the funny sentry moment. I’m dying 😂
What!? Who the hell hates medic!?
people who want to win and dont want to play medic
3:21 I legit just CACKLED
Tf2 players are very anti-vax
I think people don't realize how awful medic can be because there are so few in casual
The vaccinator is an anger inducing weapon for sure, but medic is also just the best class to begin with and mostly decides which team gets to win
Heheh. Finally I can learn how best to irritate people with my medic main MOJO.
Because yes, making people salty is part of my goal as a medic.
Why?
Because if you can't deal a lot of physical damage. You go for the emotional damage.
I think the reason not a lot of people play as medic is because he doesn't have any way of defending himself or counter any other classes. He just kinda runs around, heals people, gets harassed by scunts, and doesn't have a ton in the ways of keeping himself safe. He was meant to be close to his team, but if he's separated from his team, he's easy pickings.
i hate that medic can get dominations and assists for doing nothing but sitting in a corner and healing
Tbf Healing is already hard enough but trying to dodge damage is harder you gotta give them credit
How the actual fuck else am I supposed to get any tangible in-match reward otherwise?
Okay, so you're basically saying that they should use their healing tools to fight?
@@aidelai4098 i'm talking more about spawn camping
if you play 2fort for as long as i do, you would've experienced what it's like to get killed by a soldier who has a medic doing jackshit but healing. like, i get dominated by the soldier and the medic, but only 1 of them is actually doing the dominating
i can get behind assists, but i don't see dominating as healing the guy killing you
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 "so you're basically saying *shit i never said"*
Medic is one of those guys everyone wants to play WITH but is hell to play AGAINST
This is going to get me a lot of flack, but while I think medic is the best designed healer class in any game period, I think healer classes are bad game design. Having the flow of a match be determined by a class most people pick our of obligation, or not pick at all because they don't have fun with the class is bad. Sure there are people that like medic, but you have to admit they are quite the minority of players and so you end up with a lot of matches decided not by any other factor but which team has more players who like playing medic. Everyone knows you can technically win a pub by having like 3 medics and a bunch of power classes because the other team isn't going to do that. On top of all of this, medic can be very annoying for one reason, the vaccinator. The vaccinator can be used in two ways, it can be used to shut down a server with a small population because they can't effectively attack with every damage type, or it can be used to just shut out the top damage dealer on the enemy team because most pubs have like... 3 good people per team so you just kind of set it to their resistances so they can't play the game making their team lose for free. I don't like the idea of weapons that LITERALLY shut out people from playing the game, it isn't fun and is really stupid in a game designed around the idea that most of your teammates will be useless. If it wasn't obvious medic... and also the gunboats but otherwise I have no fundamental issues with soldier, are the two things I hate in TF2 which is an odd combination I guess.
The only good healer classes are the ones that are offensive but have like one ability to heal, and the healing is either slow or just s stationary turret
Counterargument: I feel 0 obligation to play Med, or Dazzle in Dota, or Druid back when I played WoW, I just love healing. I get a dopamine rush from watching people not die, and swaying the fight and enabling the push. People DO have fun with the class, and games would be worse if healing classes didn't exist. Your opinion is wrong.
@@BasicallyGoblin However, we both need to consider one factor. What is the actual population metric of players that enjoy healing in games. I myself am going to look into studies because I think that is the determining factor here. My claim before I do this is such, I believe the amount of players that fill your preference are a massive minority. My reason for my claim? Every single game with a mandatory healing class always has a problem with finding someone who actually plays healer.
@@UsingGorillaLogic so only have popular classes because they're popular? That's stupid.
@@BasicallyGoblin No, design classes to be popular and useful. You can have unpopular classes if they aren't mandatory or have niche purpose like the heavy does. The issue is that the medic is unpopular AND the most important class in the game so rather than playing him to have fun, it feels like you have a gun pointed to your head forcing you to play him. The closest example to that in this game is engineer being basically mandatory on payload/attack defense defense, but at least there you only need one and he is JUST popular enough that it never becomes a problem. You can't force a disliked character type to be a good design by just making them mandatory that just pisses people off.
The point I am making is this, having the most liked classes be irrelevant and having one of the least liked... to play classes be mandatory is very very bad design. medic is one of the few relics of the design philosophy team fortress has tried to avoid. demoman was going to have a c4 that could destroy structures letting teammates pass, but the problem is nobody wanted to do it so it became a matter of people forcing someone else to do it. They removed that mechanic to avoid the same issues medic has today. Medic is a class that on average is picked when someone is forced to do it by their teammates because nobody else feels like it.
Medic just has way too many garbage weapons, even though he literally has the least amount of unlockable weapons in the game. He really just needs more variety beyond his medi guns.
True that he needs more but let me tell you the ubersaw and crossbow aren't the only good weapons for medic
That brings a interesting question. Who would win - a team with six medics where every non-medic player have their own pocket, or team completly without medics
"he won't snipe you across the map"
Oh, I will. Medicsniper is my favourite way to play on Hightower, and it is shockingly effective.
I mean... i love medic and pretty much everyone i know does. Most respected class in the game.
love the bit where you can here has to be this way play in the orchestral style
the intro is exactly why i like medic. Screw those engineers
Vaccinator
The "fuck this guy in particular" gun
i love the vaccinators play style i just wish it was more balanced. though the ability to gain uber while ubering may be a bug i think it pairs well but i think the damage resist is too high.
Then out of nowhere battle medic comes out. Oh. He is dead already
11:02 a wise man once said "Now there's a pretty meme, Exquisite"
Funnily enough Jeremiah 17:14 is a verse that mentions healing.
Either a nice subtle joke or a happy coincidence
The crossbow having 40 shots tips it over the edge of being over-tuned as it takes longer for you to shoot 20 bolts that it takes for a medium ammo pack to respawn; which is effectively infinite ammo. Having infinite ammo it means that the medic isn't punished for missing nearly as much as he should as you can just try again 39 more times. The ammo should be reduced to no more than 15 as at that point the crossbow has a high likely hood of running out and also psychologically slows down the medic as the individual shots are much more valuable so the medic wouldn't want to waste a shot to heal someone who has like 30 HP missing.
and with the ubersaw it is one of the few weapons that doesn't abide by trickle-down balancing (where if its balanced for the highest levels of play then its balanced for everything beneath it) as in comp, players are more capable of avoiding and punishing attempted saws but in pubs, jo.schmo.2008 isn't able to which lets the medic get uber for barely any risk. The only way this could be fixed to abide by TDB is if the uber on hit had a cooldown so in comp you'd still get the same amount of uber and in pubs the ubersaw can't farm uber for free.
Okay, I'm not exactly against 15 ammo itself, but your reasons for it are horrendous.
I agree, crossbow should have 8-15 shots and ubersaw should do reduced damage and no rcrits
@@alik250 By "reduced damage," do you mean the übersaw should have less damage than it has now, or do you mean that it should reduce all damage you can deal even when not in use?
you're better off playing huntsman sniper if you can shoot crossbows that good. The crossbow doesnt have headshots exactly for tha reason. it makes medic a buy 1 get 3 free sniper without a "fuck you spy shield". Th crossbow is for situations like these:
Your heavy is at 20 health and you're too far away to use a uber. and he's manically running into a choke involuntarily. you shoot a bolt and pull out the medigun. the 125 heal makes the heavy survive a shotgun shell and you pop the uber. This is the Ubermensch, the Ubermedic, the Uberteammate.
Your heavy is taking damage, a lot and combat healing is SLOW. so you hit a crossbow while they reload. This makes their fight assymetric and yours favorable.
Someone is going to get hit by pipes and without bolts they die, instantly. The stock medigun cant help most of the times.
The other medic is busy infront with a medigun so you 1) cov3r his ass from spies and 2) heal the ones who need instant heal (Taking heavy damage, Just came out of a fight going for a far dispenser, queuing besides dispensers etc)
Scorch shit annoying snipers from unwanted sightlines (a crit is terrifying)
Your pocket is currently way up, going to die from fall damage and you do the manliest quick draw 🗿🗿🗿🗿
doctors can never have too much medicine, so 40 shots are based
As much as people like to say the crossbow is a really good offensive option its worse than basically every other offensive option that every other class has because of the wacky ways the projectile interacts with lag. Any medic whos just jumping around spamming crossbow bolts at people to the point where it's ammo pool becomes a serious buff is an absolutely doghsit medic. Also the punishment for missing a shot is that you aren't doing your main roll and healing people (saying this as a medic main); the enemy team outputs a certain amount of DPS and it's your job to offset that DPS by healing, missing crossbow shots slows down your healing a ton. Think about it as risk vs reward, the entire process of switching to the crossbow, shooting, switching back and starting to heal again takes ~1.5 seconds, which is 36 health you could've given with the stock medigun. You aren't going to be hitting moving targets much beyond point blank range because the bolt travels slowly (and I swear to god he shoots the bolt out of his crotch or something, I have never understood where the hell that thing shoots from even after hundreds of hours with it) and a point blank hit is 75 health, or about twice what you'd be able to heal. A long range shot heals more, but has more travel time that requires the target to stand still before and after the shot which puts them at a huge risk of the enemy team noticing and shooting the large stationary target. Effectively using a crossbow requires a team that understand how it works (which the average player doesn't) and an enemy team that won't punish you for trying to use it (which most will because "shoot the guy standing still" is a pretty easy thing to do). tl;dr if you think the crossbow is op it's because you're bad at countering medics because it really isn't hard to shut down with heads up play.
Also "the ubersaw should be nerfed because really bad players don't know how to punish aggressive medics" is absolutely terrible logic that you could use to argue for literally any weapon that encourages aggression. Nerfing medics few aggressive options just turns him into Mercy without wings and makes him entirely reactive which is miserable to play.
not sure why this series is called “why people hate _____” when it’s just a class overview. you’ve got cool sfm bits and stuff, they’re just being wasted on a video that’s been rehashed twenty times at least. good video though
One of those "look I made something new and original" 12k views
'Look I made something that's been done 80 times" 100k views.
Not that I hate making these videos in particular but it's disheartening to be "typecasted" into them.
Medic main here, so biases inbound. Medic is mostly a problem when pocketing a player that already has an above average amount of skill. However it's more like if you were already getting steam rolled, a sweaty soldier-medic combo is just going to steam roll you harder. If both teams are of similar skill, pocketing is extremely selfish and not that effective: Your team is going to die more often because they aren't getting healed or overhealed, you aren't building uber nearly as fast as you could be, and overextending with your soldier boyfriend is a surefire way to get yourself killed by the myriad of classes that excel in killing medic (all of them). I also hate the vaccinator but I won't rant about it because I can go on about that forever, but it also promotes a selfish style of medic play. A lot of people who hate medic I feel like want tf2 to be the silly dm-fest when you can go into a pub and just stomp a bunch of people who just installed the game, and any amount of resistance to that is "Unfair and unbalanced" Team Fortress isn't the most team oriented team-based shooter out there but there is still a level of cooperation and strategy that you can't just write out. If a medic on the other team is pissing you off, go sniper or something or get your own medic on the team. Medic is running the quick fix or stock? Pyro seriously cuts into medics healing and can easily slow down a stock uber push by air blasting. Medic is running the kritz? Call out to your team and tell them to scatter, or take out the medic who is extremely vulnerable and is actively pushing rn.
Can I just say how good the music choice for this video is? Because it's really good.
Demoman: "Why do i hear boss music"
Me and my pocket heavy with 100% kritz
The solemn vow is surprisingly useful when defending yourself and lets you make wayyy better decisions when it comes to running away or not. Pair this with the crossbow and you can actually get some kills on low enemies even when you're with your team, as you can take a pot shot at that 45 health soldier getting outta there, instead of other enemies drawing your attention. Ubersaw is great and all but my playstyle specifically doesn't really stay in melee range, so the ubersaw does nothing. Using the aputator instead is also good, but if you're playing smart and keeping near enough health and you don't need the extra regen and the damage penalty is rough when it does come into play, if you have another medic you don't need the regen either.
9:55 it's actually good if you can't really into melee on medic. The only times you're gonna use it is the times where you most likely to die right after.
I would argue that the crossbow can be great as a weapon to take out retreating enemies that were damaged by your teammates as it is more of a supportive weapon when used for combat.
Compassion is a rarity in the fever pitch of battle.
I think medic's biggest problem is that he has too many good options for his loadout. his weapons have little cons (aside from melee, which is hardly used anyway)
I have an idea for the vaccinator a simple stat of “patient can’t be healed while Uber charged” and “patient overheal depletes on Uber charge”