His voice sounds like nails across a chalk board. How ugly is that. Leaf fans need a guy who knows his stuff but without the extra stupidity. This guy does not need a beer to ramp up.
@@emilwal3336 Congratulations on your first cup. My comment was about salaries and 5 years from now. Do you think that the Blues are all going to sign for team friendly discounts? Really?
I hate how people say that we shouldn't have signed JT, most teams were offering him Mcdavid money and beyond, we stole him for an extra 2 mil or so. He's the only reason why people consider the Leafs as contendors.
Leaf fans were celebrating like they won the Cup when they signed JT now a year Leaf fans are WHINING because they signed JT. Leaf fans in a nutshell....and I'm a Leafs fan myself.
@@ckendall67... Those are the bandwagon-jumping fans, and we really don't need them or care what they think. JT is, and always has been, a Leaf at heart. He is a huge part of our success going forward. GO LEAFS GO!!!
No one was offering him more ! We made him 5th highest paid player and he nearly 30 with no NHL success. We had a top centre with many glaring holes. This is why we continue to struggle all these decades.. no success.. poor management
@@mamaji277 Sharks DID NOT offer 14 Mill ! A little blurp of small success 26 years ago , wow.. are we reaching ! 2004 since a playoff round win.. reining NHL record. Rough for us leaf fans. JT has won nothing in NHL and showed very little in our failed playoff round last year... it continues
So many of my fellow leafs fans are dumb if they think Nylander is the reason we’re in cap trouble. I’ll pay a guy who had back to back 61 point campaigns 6.9 mill rather than what philly is paying Kevin Hayes whose career high is 49 points. He makes 7 MILLION. explain to me why Nylander is a problem and “overpaid”
Nylander looked damn good in the boston series, it didn't help them win it, but it's a sign of him getting back on track. Him and Matthews, healthy and on top of their game this year will be fun to watch.
Nylander will be just fine, not to mention its a super movable contract if push comes to shove and they need the cap space. The funny thing to me is that if Dubas held out and said nope we arent signing you to 6.9 million and made him sit out all year, the same people that complain about this signing would be screaming about Dubas not getting a deal done and how much of a failure it was.
John Tavares is the reason for Mitch Marner contract impasse. Without Tavares, Marner doesn't have the monster year and the Leafs wouldn't need to pay him as much. Oh btw, the team wouldn't be nearly as good either.
No blame on JT, he took the deal as offered. But it should not have been offered. The Leafs already had superstars they needed a better rounded team. So now they are top heavy. Marner deserves a big salary and he'll get it. If it's in Toronto, we're screwed. If it's elsewhere, we're screwed. So how was Tavares a good signing? JT was good for the Leafs, but others were sacrificed in the process. We needed defence and some tougher guys who can play, not $11.5M on Tavares.
he wasnt blaming tavares, its a fact that they are in cap hell and its a fact that the tavares contract is a part of that, ofc its not his fault if he is offered a contract, if they are going to be able to sign marner then they will have a stacked team with so much money going to only 3 guys, that takes alot away.
Alexandros Mograine they’re not in cal hell though...... they literally only dumped bad contracts this offseason, and trading Kadri gave them a defensive upgrade. Vegas is in cap hell, people really don’t know what “cap hell” means
Alexandros Mograine Lol fair enough, yeah obviously not a great situation, but I’d rather have this first world problem instead of having a ton of money but no players 😅
It really isn’t even “cap hell” Good teams are close to the cap. They have enough to sign Marner, and according to comparables, the money we can offer is what he deserves. If he decides to leave and make more playing for a dead market, go for it.
Sorry Steve. If they didn’t sign Tavares. They would have been able to sign Matthews for 10, Nylander for 5. And have no problem signing marner. Plus they would have enough money to fix the defence. The leafs had everything going for them and they blew it by signing Tavares. They didn’t need more offence. They needed to fix their D.
Sorry, Tom, but the Leafs will have all of Nylander, Matthews, Marner and Tavares signed...along with Barrie and Rielly, two of the best puck movers in the NHL on the back end for this season. Enjoy the show
@@tomwilson3969 Yeah, I have NHL.com and have seen plenty of Colorado games. Have you? Do you know what you're looking at? Leafs are nothing but an...blah blah blah. Leafs are nothing but a dynamic team that took the Stanley Cup finalists to 7 games with a defence that will be better with that terrible Barrie moving the puck up and putting up 60pts. Who is going to make the bottom pair on defence? It's July, guy. Come back in October and I'll let you know. In the meantime...don't get too pre-mature in all your Leaf hate tizzy, kid. Oh, and here's a thought, Son. The Leafs are better situated to make a trade...BECAUSE they signed Tavares. Learn hockey, kid
@@ckendall67 ....the way things are, that's where it seems to be heading. Signing Nylander was the worst decision they ever made on a player that only scores 20 goals a season. Nylander is a talented player don't get me wrong....but based on his performance last season, it seems like he just wasn't interested. i thought he could turn it around in the playoffs but nothing.
john tavares is the reason mitch marner doesn’t have a contract right now, because theoretically theyd be able to sign marner without having tavares’ salary. BUT he’s still a great player and they still shouldve signed him
100% truth. Also, you didn't even need him. You were more than fine, record braking fine without him season before. JT signing also derailed WNylander and his contract, will derail Marner too (one way or another; by leaving or some other way) Kadri & Bozak leaving goes for the same category as well.
Leafs are in cap hell for one simple reason, they are paying young star players super star money. Players are paid for potential and not their performance. Leaf players are overpaid when you look at their playoff performance. Tavares, Mathews and Marner are not super stars, they have achieved nothing in the playoffs.
Tavares scored 47 goals in his first season with the Leafs. Who says they can't keep their core group of forwards? Marner will sign...there IS enough space for him. Dubas has masterfully secured the core and will continue to augment them with moving pieces over the next few seasons to give them a chance to compete. In the meantime, contracts are going up. Trouba just signed for 8M. He's not a top paring D. He's a number 3 guy at best. Kevin Hayes just signed for 7M. He's a 40pt guy. The Leafs signed Kerfoot @3.5M. Kerfoot has put up 40pts in each of his first two seasons. The Leafs needed a player like Hjarlmarson? How about Tyson Barrie? And when Barrie moves on after next year, along with Ceci and Muzzin, that will open up 12M to sign a UFA D, like David Savard or Pietrangelo who will both be available next July. Sandin and Lilijgren will both be ready to move up after another year of top minutes in the AHL to hone their game. Dubas is thinking 2 to 3 years ahead all the time. The core is secured, all the rest are moving pieces meant to give the core a chance to compete every year. I'd say Dubas is doing a masterful job.
Acquiring John Tavares to that contract for no assets was a complete no brainer. Heck same if he was a free agent this year instead of last year.Anyone out there that actually thinking it was a mistake i wanna say this.Even if we worst case scenerio we somehow lose Mitch Marner,we are atleast getting 4 first round picks. What would you rather have Mitch Marner or John Tavares and 4 1st round picks? I mean Mitch is my favourite Leaf but this isnt even a debate. And Reality is we’ll probably keep both. I mean If i had it my way we’d shop Nylander out instead. I kniw we got Barrie but damn imagine how good our Defence looks if we could get another solid top pair defenceman.We have enough firepower upfront anyways.
Bold statement for a team that can't win a playoff round with generational talent. The Tavares deal would look excellent if they had just let Nylander go. Dubas's handling of that was poor, and it's going to end up costing them. If I'm the Leafs I'd rather have Marner than 4 1st's in the 20's. I'm saying Toronto doesn't make it past the 2nd round.
I’d pick Marner over Tavares and 4 late first round picks, no brained. Tavares pick up as a UFA would have been much better if he had no NMC attached, but as is it’s not free, it could cost TOR Marner and even if Marner still signs, it definitely will cost TOR cups, as they are not winning any with $40m tied up in 4 forwards.
@@maxx6282 I mean at least my team's won a Cup since the O6 era and just landed debatably the best GM in the game, but what do I know right? Toronto isn't winning a Cup with this lineup if they get Marner to sign. Somebody is going to have to get moved. What if Liljegren or Sandin ends up being a hit in a couple of years? Then you're going to have to pay them too. You can't win with 3 $10 million+ players.
Austin G. Right I’m not sure what you disagree with though.Im simply saying that going with Tavares Matthews and Marner,and trade Nylander for a Dman.This lineup need a lot more toughness as well.I don’t mean fighters so much but players that aren’t afraid to get their hands dirty.Adding Spezza and Kerfoot doesnt exactly help us here at all.Those spots should be reserved for those types of players.Its for this reason Im not impressed with Dubas.He wants to keep insisting its not a problem ,go right ahead but it will cost his job one day.Guaranteed.Leafs fans have been patient enough.
the toronto maple leafs have a great group of forwards and one of the worst defense cores in the entire league. look at the teams who win the cup. they are always the teams that have the most depth and the most well rounded teams. they do everything well but they are never the top offensive team in the league they’re just well rounded. the only way the leafs advance is if they subtract one of tavares, matthews, marner, or nylander to improve their defense which os the biggest area of weakness
15th in the league in GA and 4th in goals differential/plus minus. How is that "one of the worst defence cores in the league"? You know there are 30 teams in the league, right?...right?
Steve usually I agree but I'm sorry you're wrong here. He's not saying Tavares is bad he's saying that signing him to what they did...is hampering the team in keeping their guys, and getting a better defensive core as well. He's 💯% right
Ahahahahahahahaha. You could "cap dump" JT for far more then the first round pick they paid to jettison Marleau contract. John Tavares is underpaid by price of win ($/WAR) and is Hella underpaid when you acknowledge he had 12/8 and 13.5/7 offers.
Johnny Boy one of the best does it ,does it with nobody on the Island and does it in Toronto with decent guys who all think they are better than him...🤔😆👌ohkay
The guy who sent the message wasn't criticizing Tavares as a player. He was simply saying that signing a big free agent like that is going to make it harder to sign the players you drafted. Love Steve Dangle but hes wrong here.
hundred 100% agree with Steve. dubas, and Marner are the problem. signing willim was the problem. over paying Mathews is the problem. still havent won anything yet . NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOUR ALL OVER PAID
John Tavares was not necessary signing. He had a big year in terms of points but most of that would have been picked up by others if he wasn't around (Kadri, Brown and others were sacrificed). You just can't have all these top salary guys on one team. The Leafs won't go anywhere - cap hell + outdated, stubborn coach. Babcock continues to play Marleau when he was ineffective and has better weapons on the bench. Wtf? A month later Marleau wants out - and it takes A 1ST ROUND PICK to get did of him. WTF!! Going nowhere.
Tavares scored 47 goals in his first season with the Leafs. Who says they can't keep their core group of forwards? Marner will sign...there IS enough space for him. Dubas has masterfully secured the core and will continue to augment them with moving pieces over the next few seasons to give them a chance to compete. In the meantime, contracts are going up. Trouba just signed for 8M. He's not a top paring D. He's a number 3 guy at best. Kevin Hayes just signed for 7M. He's a 40pt guy. The Leafs signed Kerfoot @3.5M. Kerfoot has put up 40pts in each of his first two seasons. The Leafs needed a player like Hjarlmarson? How about Tyson Barrie? And when Barrie moves on after next year, along with Ceci and Muzzin, that will open up 12M to sign a UFA D, like David Savard or Pietrangelo who will both be available next July. Sandin and Lilijgren will both be ready to move up after another year of top minutes in the AHL to hone their game. Dubas is thinking 2 to 3 years ahead all the time. The core is secured, all the rest are moving pieces meant to give the core a chance to compete every year. I'd say Dubas is doing a masterful job.
We'll see, but I'm not so sure. Having half your cap space tied up in 4 or 5 players will strangle them and there is no cheaper talent on the Maries ready to step up this year aside from Bracco who Babcock won't play regardless. Sandin & Lily aren't ready yet. I watched the Marlies play off run and they had trouble with top players from other teams. I suspect the team will take a step back this year.
Trouba just got paid 8M. He's a number 3 D at best. Kevin Hayes just got 7M. He's a 40pt 3rd line centre. Salaries have gone up. What the Leafs are facing now, every team will be facing within the next few seasons. All teams will have to secure a core with half the cap and augment their roster with serviceable vets on PTOs, like the Leafs did with Ennis this year and Edmonton did with Chaisson. Like they've done with Spezza, as well as find decent players in Europe, which there are more of since the gap has closed considerably over the past 10 years (Finland just won the WC with not a single NHLer in their lineup against teams stacked with NHL stars). While continuing to draft and develop players who will step in to fill out the roster. Look for big names to be moved in the final years of shorter contracts, so that teams can continue to stock the system with young talent via picks. There's a reason no team has offered a contract that would cost them 4, 1st round picks. No, Sandin and Lilijgren aren't ready yet, that's why Muzzin, Ceci and Barrie were brought in as placeholders. One of them should be ready by next year, in a 31 team league they will be able to handle 3 pairing duties. In the meantime the 12M that opens up with Barrie, Muzzin and Ceci moving on, the Leafs can sign a UFA D and or move one of Nylander, Kapanen or Johnsson for a guy like David Savard or Brett Pesce, a solid stay at home D. The NHL has changed. A solid core with moving parts around it will be the norm from here on in. Dubas and Pridham are ahead of the game. Pridham wrote the parameters of the CBA. Dubas is handling it masterfully.
Yeah guys money is hard 🤣 I love Dangle, Tavares is great, I wanted him in Montreal. It's not about "not knowing a Superstar", it's about $11 million. They'd still be in cap problems at $83 million, another 1.5 makes a small difference. All of these "counter-arguments" are complete, absolute red herrings designed specifically to ignore the actual talking point, which is, two 11-mil players, a 7-mil player, and another probable 10-plus-mil player, ALL UP FRONT, is not sustainable if you want to win, and signing Tavares is part of what made that a reality. That's not even saying they were wrong to do it. That's another red herring. It's saying that doing that is a large reason why they are where they are with the cap, TODAY. It's also not saying that it can't be fixed. It very much can be fixed. There's a number of ways to fix it, some of which they've already done. It's actually quite easy to talk about something when you pay attention to what the other side is saying. 👍
Remember when Toronto said that the Isles were the worst fans in the league for their treatment of Tavares. One season. ONE SEASON and you guys are already blaming him. ONE. SEASON. But yet we’re the worst fanbase oh sure. Totally
@Chris_ So one person says JT is a problem and you call that you guys. Wow, Every single member of Leafs Nation; can speak for every other member of Leafs nation. Regardless the statement, the issue; or topic. We're all with you, buddy. Blah ahaha
Leafs nations is Millions of people, whether it's one person or hundreds or even thousands of people saying this, which it is not!. They don't speak for the entirety of Leafs Nation. Period!!
Nope, not at all. This about the salary cap. No team in the league can afford 3, $11 million dollar players and ice a team with depth. I don't think anyone's saying that Tavares isn't good or isn't worth every penny of his contract. It's just the Leafs (just like any other team in the league) can't afford $34 million dollars on 3 offensive players.
This was so contrived. Is there a quota at Sportsnet for hockey content? If there is it needs to be set to zero at this time of the year because words for the sake of moving air is a waste.
His comment was about money. When you sign really big free agents then there is a chance you lose younger talent you brought up as a cost. Had they not signed John they wouldn't be the team they are but they are signing Mitch no problem. His point was signing John was a option.....that has a cost that was talked about last summer. Yes he may be the reason they can't sign and that was said by the media last summer Stevie. Actually I think you talked about it last summer and said something along the lines of "we can worry about that next summer"......and its here. Soooooo......he kinda is the reason.
How can you argue this Steve? I entirely agree that signing Tavares is what put the Leafs in this cap predicament. This is NOT AT ALL the fault Tavares. He is on a great deal contract for the Leafs, but now the Leafs cant afford anything else. What's gonna happen next year when the Leafs have only 2 defenseman signed and can't afford anything more than league minimum? AGAIN this is not at all Tavares's fault he played great, took a discount and was just shy of a 50 goal season, not his fault. It's the NHL's fault for having a hard cap.
Mathematically speaking, dude's not necessarily wrong. To say Tavares isn't pulling his weight? That'd be wrong. To say it's the primary contract putting you in cap hell? That's just maths lad. Although on a larger scale I'd say the league's salary situation has been completely screwed up ever since the Price, Doughty, and McDavid deals (all teams that missed the playoffs, it's worth noting).
Steve yells for the sake of being loud and trying to be an American sports pundit. It’s unfortunate we don’t have calm debates/discussions but unfortunately that’s not what gets views/clicks. I know he’s had success with this gimmick but for some, it’s just too over the top and doesn’t add anything insightful to the topic at hand.
Toronto's in Sal Cap Hell because NOBODY can say no ... No means no, but remember there's ways out of Sal Cap Hell.... consider losing Nylander for draft picks.
Anyone who says signing Tavares was a mistake is an idiot. You don't pass on a guy like that. Especially when it costs you absolutely nothing, and even more so when he's willing to take a discount to play for you.
They need to add some kind of salary cap that prevents top players from earning 10+ times as much as the bottom players, otherwise the NHL is going to turn into the NBA. Salary cap goes up, stars salaries keep going up, the same thing will keep happening just with inflated dollar figures.
I typically like Steve, but I know too many people who replace humour with loudness.. it's not the same thing. Anyone can repeat a sentence yelling and I'll never find it clever or amusing. But it made you a career this far so good luck going forward. Respect
I'm not even a Leafs fan, I hate them actually and would love nothing more than to see this team fall completely apart and have Marner playing on a different team, but even I know that Tavares's contract is part of why they're in Cap Hell. You can't sign a $10 million UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT and think that it's somehow going to not going to contribute to being in Cap Hell. I love Steve Dangle, but he's not even offering an explanation as to why they're having Cap problems other than calling the guy an idiot and blaming the league. How do you have these contracts and NOT end up in Cap Hell? John Tavares - $10 mil cap hit Auston Matthews - $11.5 mil cap hit William Nylander - $6.9 mil cap hit Mitch Marner - projected $10.5-11 mil cap hit This is for 4 forwards. Almost half the salary cap. 4 forwards. Meanwhile, their AHL bottom pair defensemen are going to get railroaded come playoff time and they'll be playing Reilly 35 minutes a game.
EVERYONE ALWAYS wants to see the Leafs fall apart! It's like the Leafs should NEVER be allowed to win anything because everyone loves watching them fail too much!
For the last 4 seasons I often wondered “How does Toronto have all this money to be buying up half the league?” Well now I see it’s time to pay the reaper’s due.
7 months later? The Leafs are looking real bad, Steve is chugging beer out of his popcorn maker, Tavares is no where near where you need an 11 mil/year player to be, and the defense is hurt and has a bunch of Marlies or players who aren't up to snuff for the NHL on it. Yet Leaf fans will still say I'm an idiot for saying signing Tavares was a bad idea.
They signed nylander before tying up the big 3 tavares Matthews marner... That's there fault nylander better play well or he's gonna be the next Rick dipietro
Lol it's actually not a fact at all. What about kapanen and Johnsson? Oh and uh maybe Kerfoot and Ceci too??? That's about 16 mil in cap space, so Tavares is not at all the reason marner isnt signed.
When the Boston series went south in the last 2 games, Tavares was the only Leaf player to push right up until the end. Arguably the best player on your team can not be a reason a team is tight against the cap. When you're tight against the cap, you start by getting rid of your bottom 6 players and bottom pairing D-men. You get rid of almost any other player on your team in order to keep a player like John Tavares. So if you have a chance to acquire John Tavares, but it means you have to lose a player like William Nylander, or Nazem Kadri, you would pack their bags immediately. Personally, if I could sign Tavares, but have to lose Patrick Laine, or Jack Eichel, I would have to strongly consider it.
I'm not a Leafs fan, but I'm a hockey fan and a subscriber of Steve for a few years now. However, I completely disagree with a lot of what he says in this video. Tavares is a great player and has fit in nicely on a line with Marner, but he wasn't needed on a team that already has enough offense / shouldn't have been paid as much as he got. This management knew long ago that they were going to be in a cap crunch with the contracts of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander alone and would have to find ways to make room. By signing Tavares, you've screwed yourself over and have been forced to make trades that you may not have had to make (Kadri and Brown) if you didn't sign him. Brag all you want about how good Tavares is and how much he helps the team out on the ice, but trust me when I say that in the long term, signing him was a terrible idea and the Leafs are now stuck with that contract for 6 more years when they could've used that money for other players, especially on defense.
Marner gets 75-80 points without Tavaras. We got defense now, in Barry, Muzzin, Reilly, Dermottas our top 4. Plus Sandin and Liljegren left and RHD who will make the jump next year, possibly this year and Ceci will be off the books next year and the cap goes up next year, resign Muzzin and Barry and you already have all your young players signed at amazing contracts, called goes away up when Seattle comes in. So you're wrong. Kerfoot is younger and getting better, Spezza is our 4th line center at 700k.
Think about if they didn't have Tavares and Matthews still goes down with his injury in October and misses a month. They would be screwed. That's what centre depth helps with.
So let me get this straight you literally took somebody’s season performance which playoffs are not included and used that as a reason for the Maple leafs lack of success in the playoffs... Nice
"Do you hear yourself, you sound insane, you should be medicated" old school will ferris, but seriously Tavares is a generational player, marner is very talented but Tavares earns all the credit given to him. He is a 30 goal scorer without marner and with any decent wingers he can get more. This guy wins battles, tips in goals like joe pavelski, and has the heart of a champ.
Ok well if the Leafs had 11m extra, Marner would be signed by now. They go into last summer knowing they have to sign Marner and Nylander and they go ahead and bring in another 11m player. I have no sympathy for leafs fans, and I've enjoyed watching you squirm for the last year and a half. Enjoy Cap hell
The leafs have 11.1 after they LTIR Horton. Marner is not worth 10 plus. I hope he gets offer sheeted for a ridiculous amount, so Dubas cant match. Why would he match at the lowest end of the 4 firsts at 10.65 roughly. I wouldn't match. 11.1 in capspace 7 firsts over 4 years and you trade for a slick 7-8 million dollar playmaker and include Ceci in the deal, giving you enough to get a Top RHD. This could all be fixed and the leafs would be so much better if a team is that stupid. 1 good year because Tavaras is your Center and he wants Tavaras and Matthew's money. You will lose this debate if you think Marner is worth Kucherov money. You will also lose this debate if you think that both Tavaras and especially Matthew's isnt much better or deserve what they got.
So last season everyone claimed that JT was that final piece, that was gonna win the Leafs the Cup. Now everyone's saying they shouldn't have signed him because of the cap situation? It was clear that Toronto was going to get cap problems the moment Tavares signed that contract. Besides, didn't he score 40 goals somewhat last season. I agree that the cap is not designed for contracts that pay 11 million per year, but if someone like Tavares is on the market, you at least have to try
They kinda caved into Matthews too & just gave him what he wanted, Matthews & his agent destroyed the Leafs management & got caved 11.6M on a frickin 5 year deal? The money isn’t the problem as much as the term. Should of atleast gave him a extra year 6 years instead of 5 cause that was bullshit! Don’t blame Marner for his asking price after that one. He deserves to think he’s worth as much or close to Matthews
JT doesn’t worth $11M look around the league, there are tone of great players less than $5M JT opens the door for Matthews and Marner asking for what they got, follow by Nylander Anyone who gets worth the most is Freddy
You could pair up JT with anyone, the Isles proved that. Marnier should take whatever is offered to him. He'll never get a better offer from anyone or it would've happned by now. Good luck Mitch.
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Wow great video this guy gets it
Steve’s acting like 9-2 Steve
with a sprinkle of danglepie for good measure
More like Steve as the goose who said HOW ACTUALLY DARE YOU.
Or game 7 Steve
CANT THINK OF A NAME idk man game 7 steve is pretty... out there
His voice sounds like nails across a chalk board. How ugly is that. Leaf fans need a guy who knows his stuff but without the extra stupidity. This guy does not need a beer to ramp up.
Steve Dangle is officially Canadian Stephen A. Smith
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It will help grow the game if he will continue being like that 😂
Steve kinda sucks when he is just sittin around is so FREAKING Awesome when he does this...
We need more of this --
Steve 'im a big boy now' Dangle
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You say that like it's a *BAD* thing.
Leafs fans turning on JT already lmao
Cap was not designed for teams to have multiple 10-11+ mill players.
Yeah. How my blues have been able to hold on to our core with the biggest cap hits topping out at 7.5 is beyond me.
@@lgmmrm Let me know how that works out in 5 years.
@@gordonbgraham They have their cup.
@@gordonbgraham I'm sorry. Can't hear you over the sound of blues players celebrating their cup win my guy
@@emilwal3336 Congratulations on your first cup. My comment was about salaries and 5 years from now. Do you think that the Blues are all going to sign for team friendly discounts? Really?
I hate how people say that we shouldn't have signed JT, most teams were offering him Mcdavid money and beyond, we stole him for an extra 2 mil or so. He's the only reason why people consider the Leafs as contendors.
Leaf fans were celebrating like they won the Cup when they signed JT now a year Leaf fans are WHINING because they signed JT. Leaf fans in a nutshell....and I'm a Leafs fan myself.
@@ckendall67... Those are the bandwagon-jumping fans, and we really don't need them or care what they think. JT is, and always has been, a Leaf at heart. He is a huge part of our success going forward.
GO LEAFS GO!!!
No.
No one was offering him more ! We made him 5th highest paid player and he nearly 30 with no NHL success.
We had a top centre with many glaring holes.
This is why we continue to struggle all these decades.. no success.. poor management
@@mamaji277 Sharks DID NOT offer 14 Mill !
A little blurp of small success 26 years ago , wow.. are we reaching !
2004 since a playoff round win.. reining NHL record.
Rough for us leaf fans.
JT has won nothing in NHL and showed very little in our failed playoff round last year... it continues
Some people need a lobotomy. -Steve Dangle 2019
So many of my fellow leafs fans are dumb if they think Nylander is the reason we’re in cap trouble. I’ll pay a guy who had back to back 61 point campaigns 6.9 mill rather than what philly is paying Kevin Hayes whose career high is 49 points. He makes 7 MILLION. explain to me why Nylander is a problem and “overpaid”
Nylander looked damn good in the boston series, it didn't help them win it, but it's a sign of him getting back on track. Him and Matthews, healthy and on top of their game this year will be fun to watch.
Nylander will be just fine, not to mention its a super movable contract if push comes to shove and they need the cap space. The funny thing to me is that if Dubas held out and said nope we arent signing you to 6.9 million and made him sit out all year, the same people that complain about this signing would be screaming about Dubas not getting a deal done and how much of a failure it was.
John Tavares is the reason for Mitch Marner contract impasse. Without Tavares, Marner doesn't have the monster year and the Leafs wouldn't need to pay him as much. Oh btw, the team wouldn't be nearly as good either.
Yes, because marner is asking too much its Tavares fault😂 blame the guy with 47 goals 😂
noah raymond it’s Marner dumbass dad
No blame on JT, he took the deal as offered. But it should not have been offered. The Leafs already had superstars they needed a better rounded team. So now they are top heavy. Marner deserves a big salary and he'll get it. If it's in Toronto, we're screwed. If it's elsewhere, we're screwed. So how was Tavares a good signing? JT was good for the Leafs, but others were sacrificed in the process. We needed defence and some tougher guys who can play, not $11.5M on Tavares.
@@DF-hu1jx youre a moron
All the Leafs have to do is give Marner the 14.5 million per season through the 2034/35 season he's demanding and everything will be fine.
lmao he is right.. The leafs offense was amongst the top of the league before Tavares got there. It was not a good signing in the slightest
I like how the title of this video changed from “Cap hell” to “bad cap situation”
probably demonetized from youtube
Matthew Brando That or they didn’t want to take the risk of being demonetized
"It's the same 35 to 40 crusty white dudes that get rotated!"
Don’t blame JT, it’s not his fault. Marner is awesome...need to compromise somehow...get it done!
he wasnt blaming tavares, its a fact that they are in cap hell and its a fact that the tavares contract is a part of that, ofc its not his fault if he is offered a contract, if they are going to be able to sign marner then they will have a stacked team with so much money going to only 3 guys, that takes alot away.
Alexandros Mograine they’re not in cal hell though...... they literally only dumped bad contracts this offseason, and trading Kadri gave them a defensive upgrade. Vegas is in cap hell, people really don’t know what “cap hell” means
@@jamesmiddleton5309 yeah not in cap hell, but not in a good situation either, just couldnt find a better word for it :P
Alexandros Mograine yes I hear you. The way they are talking makes it sound like he’s partially to blame.
Alexandros Mograine Lol fair enough, yeah obviously not a great situation, but I’d rather have this first world problem instead of having a ton of money but no players 😅
Love a good off-season Dangle rant
THANK YOU STEVE! 🙌🏼 I can’t deal with half of these leafs fans anymore. #NoReasoningWithThem
Wow you need a life dude. Follow a real reported. This guy is a clown show and you are a meathead for actually naming yourself after him
Nathan Jordan thank you for making my point. #NoReasoningWithPeopleLikeYou
It really isn’t even “cap hell”
Good teams are close to the cap. They have enough to sign Marner, and according to comparables, the money we can offer is what he deserves.
If he decides to leave and make more playing for a dead market, go for it.
You cant be in "cap hell" if all you have are good players under contract. A team like the kings is in cap hell. Not the leafs.
I don't know who Steve Dangle is, but kudos for him to be able to make a living without really saying anything intelligible.
it's crazy to think that this is the same guy who talked about tap water with me for a solid two minutes
Sorry Steve. If they didn’t sign Tavares. They would have been able to sign Matthews for 10, Nylander for 5. And have no problem signing marner. Plus they would have enough money to fix the defence. The leafs had everything going for them and they blew it by signing Tavares. They didn’t need more offence. They needed to fix their D.
Sorry, Tom, but the Leafs will have all of Nylander, Matthews, Marner and Tavares signed...along with Barrie and Rielly, two of the best puck movers in the NHL on the back end for this season. Enjoy the show
@@tomwilson3969 Yeah, I have NHL.com and have seen plenty of Colorado games. Have you? Do you know what you're looking at? Leafs are nothing but an...blah blah blah. Leafs are nothing but a dynamic team that took the Stanley Cup finalists to 7 games with a defence that will be better with that terrible Barrie moving the puck up and putting up 60pts. Who is going to make the bottom pair on defence? It's July, guy. Come back in October and I'll let you know. In the meantime...don't get too pre-mature in all your Leaf hate tizzy, kid. Oh, and here's a thought, Son. The Leafs are better situated to make a trade...BECAUSE they signed Tavares. Learn hockey, kid
leafs aren't even in that bad of a cap situation. look at the winnipeg jets, worse off without any 10m player.
Sedin like? Yikes sounds like the leafs wont have a cup in the future.
that's what i was about to say
So what purpose do the Leafs have then? They'll NEVER win ever again I guess.
@@ckendall67 ....the way things are, that's where it seems to be heading. Signing Nylander was the worst decision they ever made on a player that only scores 20 goals a season. Nylander is a talented player don't get me wrong....but based on his performance last season, it seems like he just wasn't interested. i thought he could turn it around in the playoffs but nothing.
@@memoranda1 just ignore the world's. Yikes
@@maxx6282 ...i'm sorry? ignore what?
Shut down role in the playoffs, lol. I always confuse tavares with Guy Carbonneau
Lmfao, great point.
Who did he play against do u know what shutdown rule is
Anyone else think Dangle is Gilbert Gottfried's son?
john tavares is the reason mitch marner doesn’t have a contract right now, because theoretically theyd be able to sign marner without having tavares’ salary. BUT he’s still a great player and they still shouldve signed him
IMO without Tavares, Marner gets closer to 80 points than 94. Most likely his asking price is lower.
Tavares signing was a blessing. He is unbelievable player and unfair to blame him. Truth is Matthews was overpaid and so was Nylander.
And so will be Marner
100% truth. Also, you didn't even need him. You were more than fine, record braking fine without him season before.
JT signing also derailed WNylander and his contract, will derail Marner too (one way or another; by leaving or some other way)
Kadri & Bozak leaving goes for the same category as well.
Love JT , best signing in years
Leafs are in cap hell for one simple reason, they are paying young star players super star money. Players are paid for potential and not their performance. Leaf players are overpaid when you look at their playoff performance. Tavares, Mathews and Marner are not super stars, they have achieved nothing in the playoffs.
With that logic McDavid isn't a superstar either since he's done nothing in the playoffs
Tavares scored 47 goals in his first season with the Leafs. Who says they can't keep their core group of forwards? Marner will sign...there IS enough space for him. Dubas has masterfully secured the core and will continue to augment them with moving pieces over the next few seasons to give them a chance to compete. In the meantime, contracts are going up. Trouba just signed for 8M. He's not a top paring D. He's a number 3 guy at best. Kevin Hayes just signed for 7M. He's a 40pt guy. The Leafs signed Kerfoot @3.5M. Kerfoot has put up 40pts in each of his first two seasons. The Leafs needed a player like Hjarlmarson? How about Tyson Barrie? And when Barrie moves on after next year, along with Ceci and Muzzin, that will open up 12M to sign a UFA D, like David Savard or Pietrangelo who will both be available next July. Sandin and Lilijgren will both be ready to move up after another year of top minutes in the AHL to hone their game. Dubas is thinking 2 to 3 years ahead all the time. The core is secured, all the rest are moving pieces meant to give the core a chance to compete every year. I'd say Dubas is doing a masterful job.
Acquiring John Tavares to that contract for no assets was a complete no brainer. Heck same if he was a free agent this year instead of last year.Anyone out there that actually thinking it was a mistake i wanna say this.Even if we worst case scenerio we somehow lose Mitch Marner,we are atleast getting 4 first round picks.
What would you rather have Mitch Marner or John Tavares and 4 1st round picks?
I mean Mitch is my favourite Leaf but this isnt even a debate.
And Reality is we’ll probably keep both.
I mean If i had it my way we’d shop Nylander out instead.
I kniw we got Barrie but damn imagine how good our Defence looks if we could get another solid top pair defenceman.We have enough firepower upfront anyways.
Bold statement for a team that can't win a playoff round with generational talent. The Tavares deal would look excellent if they had just let Nylander go. Dubas's handling of that was poor, and it's going to end up costing them. If I'm the Leafs I'd rather have Marner than 4 1st's in the 20's. I'm saying Toronto doesn't make it past the 2nd round.
@@austing.8870 yikes an idiot
I’d pick Marner over Tavares and 4 late first round picks, no brained. Tavares pick up as a UFA would have been much better if he had no NMC attached, but as is it’s not free, it could cost TOR Marner and even if Marner still signs, it definitely will cost TOR cups, as they are not winning any with $40m tied up in 4 forwards.
@@maxx6282 I mean at least my team's won a Cup since the O6 era and just landed debatably the best GM in the game, but what do I know right? Toronto isn't winning a Cup with this lineup if they get Marner to sign. Somebody is going to have to get moved. What if Liljegren or Sandin ends up being a hit in a couple of years? Then you're going to have to pay them too. You can't win with 3 $10 million+ players.
Austin G. Right I’m not sure what you disagree with though.Im simply saying that going with Tavares Matthews and Marner,and trade Nylander for a Dman.This lineup need a lot more toughness as well.I don’t mean fighters so much but players that aren’t afraid to get their hands dirty.Adding Spezza and Kerfoot doesnt exactly help us here at all.Those spots should be reserved for those types of players.Its for this reason Im not impressed with Dubas.He wants to keep insisting its not a problem ,go right ahead but it will cost his job one day.Guaranteed.Leafs fans have been patient enough.
the toronto maple leafs have a great group of forwards and one of the worst defense cores in the entire league. look at the teams who win the cup. they are always the teams that have the most depth and the most well rounded teams. they do everything well but they are never the top offensive team in the league they’re just well rounded. the only way the leafs advance is if they subtract one of tavares, matthews, marner, or nylander to improve their defense which os the biggest area of weakness
15th in the league in GA and 4th in goals differential/plus minus. How is that "one of the worst defence cores in the league"? You know there are 30 teams in the league, right?...right?
@@KneeJerkReactions13 The Leafs took the Stanley Cup finalists to 7 games. Not bad for "one of the worst D cores in the league"
Steve usually I agree but I'm sorry you're wrong here. He's not saying Tavares is bad he's saying that signing him to what they did...is hampering the team in keeping their guys, and getting a better defensive core as well.
He's 💯% right
Jonathonccb what he’s saying is you didn’t really need Taveras You would’ve been better off spending that money on defense
@@kaiyoung5384 Who was available? The best Dman to hit the UFA market was Tyler Myers. I'd rather sign JT than overpay for Myers
Alex Scenna You have plenty of chips to make a trade, and I agree with you I wouldn’t want Myers Either
Who haven't they been able to keep? Marleau? Oh boy..."hampered"
@@kaiyoung5384 OK...so the Leafs have plenty of chips to make a trade. They have more chips because they've signed Tavares. What was your point again?
Ahahahahahahahaha. You could "cap dump" JT for far more then the first round pick they paid to jettison Marleau contract. John Tavares is underpaid by price of win ($/WAR) and is Hella underpaid when you acknowledge he had 12/8 and 13.5/7 offers.
Except you can’t move JT
Johnny Boy one of the best does it ,does it with nobody on the Island and does it in Toronto with decent guys who all think they are better than him...🤔😆👌ohkay
I don't know why I can never take Steve serious!
The Leafs didnt need JT. They had the offense, they needed defense and they got a one way center. GOOD JOB LEAFS
Marner and Matthews were never going to make above 11M a year until Tavares came in, now they both think they deserve McDavid money.
The guy who sent the message wasn't criticizing Tavares as a player. He was simply saying that signing a big free agent like that is going to make it harder to sign the players you drafted. Love Steve Dangle but hes wrong here.
The Sin Bin totally agree, Players you drafted see you spending a ton of money on a free agent they going to want to get paid too
@@kaiyoung5384 Trouba just got 8M...let that marinate
Its about time Steve got on sportsnet for an extended time. Put him on full time dammit!
I mean on more on radio btw
He sounds like Charlie Day lol
hundred 100% agree with Steve. dubas, and Marner are the problem. signing willim was the problem. over paying Mathews is the problem. still havent won anything yet . NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOUR ALL OVER PAID
ahhh geeze ... why did i click this video ? man i'm dumb.
John Tavares was not necessary signing. He had a big year in terms of points but most of that would have been picked up by others if he wasn't around (Kadri, Brown and others were sacrificed). You just can't have all these top salary guys on one team. The Leafs won't go anywhere - cap hell + outdated, stubborn coach. Babcock continues to play Marleau when he was ineffective and has better weapons on the bench. Wtf?
A month later Marleau wants out - and it takes A 1ST ROUND PICK to get did of him. WTF!! Going nowhere.
Tavares scored 47 goals in his first season with the Leafs. Who says they can't keep their core group of forwards? Marner will sign...there IS enough space for him. Dubas has masterfully secured the core and will continue to augment them with moving pieces over the next few seasons to give them a chance to compete. In the meantime, contracts are going up. Trouba just signed for 8M. He's not a top paring D. He's a number 3 guy at best. Kevin Hayes just signed for 7M. He's a 40pt guy. The Leafs signed Kerfoot @3.5M. Kerfoot has put up 40pts in each of his first two seasons. The Leafs needed a player like Hjarlmarson? How about Tyson Barrie? And when Barrie moves on after next year, along with Ceci and Muzzin, that will open up 12M to sign a UFA D, like David Savard or Pietrangelo who will both be available next July. Sandin and Lilijgren will both be ready to move up after another year of top minutes in the AHL to hone their game. Dubas is thinking 2 to 3 years ahead all the time. The core is secured, all the rest are moving pieces meant to give the core a chance to compete every year. I'd say Dubas is doing a masterful job.
We'll see, but I'm not so sure. Having half your cap space tied up in 4 or 5 players will strangle them and there is no cheaper talent on the Maries ready to step up this year aside from Bracco who Babcock won't play regardless. Sandin & Lily aren't ready yet. I watched the Marlies play off run and they had trouble with top players from other teams. I suspect the team will take a step back this year.
Trouba just got paid 8M. He's a number 3 D at best. Kevin Hayes just got 7M. He's a 40pt 3rd line centre. Salaries have gone up. What the Leafs are facing now, every team will be facing within the next few seasons. All teams will have to secure a core with half the cap and augment their roster with serviceable vets on PTOs, like the Leafs did with Ennis this year and Edmonton did with Chaisson. Like they've done with Spezza, as well as find decent players in Europe, which there are more of since the gap has closed considerably over the past 10 years (Finland just won the WC with not a single NHLer in their lineup against teams stacked with NHL stars). While continuing to draft and develop players who will step in to fill out the roster. Look for big names to be moved in the final years of shorter contracts, so that teams can continue to stock the system with young talent via picks. There's a reason no team has offered a contract that would cost them 4, 1st round picks. No, Sandin and Lilijgren aren't ready yet, that's why Muzzin, Ceci and Barrie were brought in as placeholders. One of them should be ready by next year, in a 31 team league they will be able to handle 3 pairing duties. In the meantime the 12M that opens up with Barrie, Muzzin and Ceci moving on, the Leafs can sign a UFA D and or move one of Nylander, Kapanen or Johnsson for a guy like David Savard or Brett Pesce, a solid stay at home D. The NHL has changed. A solid core with moving parts around it will be the norm from here on in. Dubas and Pridham are ahead of the game. Pridham wrote the parameters of the CBA. Dubas is handling it masterfully.
Marner needs to relax lol Drai is getting paid 8.5M and had a 50goal year with 55A
Cody Burachenski and kucherov had 128 points with a 9mill cap.
but what leon did he did it on a
not so good team
Exactly, and Marner wants 10-11.5M per 🤣
lol 😂
And mackinnon at 6.5 Mil....
Yeah guys money is hard 🤣
I love Dangle, Tavares is great, I wanted him in Montreal. It's not about "not knowing a Superstar", it's about $11 million. They'd still be in cap problems at $83 million, another 1.5 makes a small difference. All of these "counter-arguments" are complete, absolute red herrings designed specifically to ignore the actual talking point, which is, two 11-mil players, a 7-mil player, and another probable 10-plus-mil player, ALL UP FRONT, is not sustainable if you want to win, and signing Tavares is part of what made that a reality.
That's not even saying they were wrong to do it. That's another red herring. It's saying that doing that is a large reason why they are where they are with the cap, TODAY. It's also not saying that it can't be fixed. It very much can be fixed. There's a number of ways to fix it, some of which they've already done.
It's actually quite easy to talk about something when you pay attention to what the other side is saying. 👍
Exactly I’ve been saying this too
Wish I could like this comment twice
Remember when Toronto said that the Isles were the worst fans in the league for their treatment of Tavares. One season. ONE SEASON and you guys are already blaming him. ONE. SEASON. But yet we’re the worst fanbase oh sure. Totally
@Chris_ So one person says JT is a problem and you call that you guys. Wow, Every single member of Leafs Nation; can speak for every other member of Leafs nation. Regardless the statement, the issue; or topic. We're all with you, buddy. Blah ahaha
Sweety slight exaggeration bur clearly that’s not the only person with that opinion
Leafs nations is Millions of people, whether it's one person or hundreds or even thousands of people saying this, which it is not!. They don't speak for the entirety of Leafs Nation. Period!!
This is like when Phil Kessel was the "Problem" and needed to be traded.
Nope, not at all. This about the salary cap. No team in the league can afford 3, $11 million dollar players and ice a team with depth. I don't think anyone's saying that Tavares isn't good or isn't worth every penny of his contract. It's just the Leafs (just like any other team in the league) can't afford $34 million dollars on 3 offensive players.
Sportsnet. Please note Steve Dangle full time. This was hilarious lol
Steve’s amazing rants are one of the few reasons I tolerate the Leafs
In 40 years Dangle will be the best angry old hockey man on the planet, and I can’t wait! More Dangle on Sportsnet please! :)
This was so contrived. Is there a quota at Sportsnet for hockey content? If there is it needs to be set to zero at this time of the year because words for the sake of moving air is a waste.
His comment was about money. When you sign really big free agents then there is a chance you lose younger talent you brought up as a cost. Had they not signed John they wouldn't be the team they are but they are signing Mitch no problem. His point was signing John was a option.....that has a cost that was talked about last summer. Yes he may be the reason they can't sign and that was said by the media last summer Stevie. Actually I think you talked about it last summer and said something along the lines of "we can worry about that next summer"......and its here. Soooooo......he kinda is the reason.
How can you argue this Steve? I entirely agree that signing Tavares is what put the Leafs in this cap predicament. This is NOT AT ALL the fault Tavares. He is on a great deal contract for the Leafs, but now the Leafs cant afford anything else. What's gonna happen next year when the Leafs have only 2 defenseman signed and can't afford anything more than league minimum? AGAIN this is not at all Tavares's fault he played great, took a discount and was just shy of a 50 goal season, not his fault. It's the NHL's fault for having a hard cap.
Dangle be sounding like Gilbert Godfrey.
steve is the best
NOBODY ever mentions the Elephant in the Room: NYLANDER. NY-FUCKING-LANDER.
Mathematically speaking, dude's not necessarily wrong. To say Tavares isn't pulling his weight? That'd be wrong. To say it's the primary contract putting you in cap hell? That's just maths lad. Although on a larger scale I'd say the league's salary situation has been completely screwed up ever since the Price, Doughty, and McDavid deals (all teams that missed the playoffs, it's worth noting).
Doesn't it go back to abysmal signing of Clarkson and THEN the HORTON mess...
djflatline86 no because Horton is on LTIR so once we go over the cap his contract goes off the cap, and we didn’t retain any of clarksons contract
Steve yells for the sake of being loud and trying to be an American sports pundit. It’s unfortunate we don’t have calm debates/discussions but unfortunately that’s not what gets views/clicks. I know he’s had success with this gimmick but for some, it’s just too over the top and doesn’t add anything insightful to the topic at hand.
then you’re not listening. lower your volume if it bothers you and actually listen. not that hard
MrHibye23 This is why Canada will always just be the sister nation to the US.
Toronto's in Sal Cap Hell because NOBODY can say no ... No means no, but remember there's ways out of Sal Cap Hell.... consider losing Nylander for draft picks.
Agreed, but easier said buddy. Nylander made Dubas his bitch
Anyone who says signing Tavares was a mistake is an idiot. You don't pass on a guy like that. Especially when it costs you absolutely nothing, and even more so when he's willing to take a discount to play for you.
Steve is correct. Cap problems are due to the cap being less than projected last winter. Other teams struggling as well.
Well Steve just made his own Dang it for the week right here....good job Steve! lol
Why is this clown on sportsnet ffs.
They need to add some kind of salary cap that prevents top players from earning 10+ times as much as the bottom players, otherwise the NHL is going to turn into the NBA. Salary cap goes up, stars salaries keep going up, the same thing will keep happening just with inflated dollar figures.
I typically like Steve, but I know too many people who replace humour with loudness.. it's not the same thing. Anyone can repeat a sentence yelling and I'll never find it clever or amusing. But it made you a career this far so good luck going forward. Respect
I'm not even a Leafs fan, I hate them actually and would love nothing more than to see this team fall completely apart and have Marner playing on a different team, but even I know that Tavares's contract is part of why they're in Cap Hell. You can't sign a $10 million UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT and think that it's somehow going to not going to contribute to being in Cap Hell. I love Steve Dangle, but he's not even offering an explanation as to why they're having Cap problems other than calling the guy an idiot and blaming the league.
How do you have these contracts and NOT end up in Cap Hell?
John Tavares - $10 mil cap hit
Auston Matthews - $11.5 mil cap hit
William Nylander - $6.9 mil cap hit
Mitch Marner - projected $10.5-11 mil cap hit
This is for 4 forwards. Almost half the salary cap. 4 forwards. Meanwhile, their AHL bottom pair defensemen are going to get railroaded come playoff time and they'll be playing Reilly 35 minutes a game.
EVERYONE ALWAYS wants to see the Leafs fall apart! It's like the Leafs should NEVER be allowed to win anything because everyone loves watching them fail too much!
jt was a mistake and marner means more then him hands down
Exactly. Marner is/was the Leafs best player by far.
Who let sam kennison into the studio
Steve says it how it is. Love this guy. He says what people are thinking.
For the last 4 seasons I often wondered “How does Toronto have all this money to be buying up half the league?” Well now I see it’s time to pay the reaper’s due.
7 months later? The Leafs are looking real bad, Steve is chugging beer out of his popcorn maker, Tavares is no where near where you need an 11 mil/year player to be, and the defense is hurt and has a bunch of Marlies or players who aren't up to snuff for the NHL on it. Yet Leaf fans will still say I'm an idiot for saying signing Tavares was a bad idea.
We didnt go into cap hell signing Tavares... we went into hell signing Nylander when we signed him for more than 6
Aaaand there goes Steve’s career...
one of the many reasons TSN > Sportsnet
I seriously thought I was listening to the Steve Dangle Podcast.
been watching stephen A a bit too much buddy
They signed nylander before tying up the big 3 tavares Matthews marner... That's there fault nylander better play well or he's gonna be the next Rick dipietro
Agreed, he better light it up and stop floating.
We don't have enough media people in Toronto talking about the Leafs.
I mean, JT contract is probably (exactly) why Marner doesn’t have a contract. That’s just fact.
Yeah, he wouldn't have had nearly as many points without JT which is why he's asking for so much. I agree, all JT's fault!
Lol it's actually not a fact at all. What about kapanen and Johnsson? Oh and uh maybe Kerfoot and Ceci too??? That's about 16 mil in cap space, so Tavares is not at all the reason marner isnt signed.
You are delusional.
When the Boston series went south in the last 2 games, Tavares was the only Leaf player to push right up until the end. Arguably the best player on your team can not be a reason a team is tight against the cap. When you're tight against the cap, you start by getting rid of your bottom 6 players and bottom pairing D-men. You get rid of almost any other player on your team in order to keep a player like John Tavares. So if you have a chance to acquire John Tavares, but it means you have to lose a player like William Nylander, or Nazem Kadri, you would pack their bags immediately. Personally, if I could sign Tavares, but have to lose Patrick Laine, or Jack Eichel, I would have to strongly consider it.
I'm not a Leafs fan, but I'm a hockey fan and a subscriber of Steve for a few years now. However, I completely disagree with a lot of what he says in this video. Tavares is a great player and has fit in nicely on a line with Marner, but he wasn't needed on a team that already has enough offense / shouldn't have been paid as much as he got. This management knew long ago that they were going to be in a cap crunch with the contracts of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander alone and would have to find ways to make room. By signing Tavares, you've screwed yourself over and have been forced to make trades that you may not have had to make (Kadri and Brown) if you didn't sign him. Brag all you want about how good Tavares is and how much he helps the team out on the ice, but trust me when I say that in the long term, signing him was a terrible idea and the Leafs are now stuck with that contract for 6 more years when they could've used that money for other players, especially on defense.
Marner gets 75-80 points without Tavaras. We got defense now, in Barry, Muzzin, Reilly, Dermottas our top 4. Plus Sandin and Liljegren left and RHD who will make the jump next year, possibly this year and Ceci will be off the books next year and the cap goes up next year, resign Muzzin and Barry and you already have all your young players signed at amazing contracts, called goes away up when Seattle comes in. So you're wrong. Kerfoot is younger and getting better, Spezza is our 4th line center at 700k.
Even when he is correct, he is annoying as hell
Think about if they didn't have Tavares and Matthews still goes down with his injury in October and misses a month. They would be screwed. That's what centre depth helps with.
47 goals but yet still got slapped by the Bruins in game 7
at least he scored a goal that game... right?
So let me get this straight you literally took somebody’s season performance which playoffs are not included and used that as a reason for the Maple leafs lack of success in the playoffs... Nice
5pts in 7 games against the Stanley Cup finalist...7 games...with THAT D
The guy who said signing 🐍 boy last season put the Leafs in cap hell is right. Team had less points and didn’t advance any further in the playoffs.
It’s not Tavares fault it’s Dubas fault for signing Tavares
Without Marner Tavares would have scored 20 goals max
"Do you hear yourself, you sound insane, you should be medicated" old school will ferris, but seriously Tavares is a generational player, marner is very talented but Tavares earns all the credit given to him. He is a 30 goal scorer without marner and with any decent wingers he can get more. This guy wins battles, tips in goals like joe pavelski, and has the heart of a champ.
Kyle Gough Sorry. Wasnt impressed with the goald he scored. You should probably chill out tho. You sound mad?
Why would I be mad? Makes me laugh that you think tavares would only score 20 without marner
Kyle Gough idk bro, you just sound mad
Haven't seen steve this wound up in a long time.....but its still great to see
Ok well if the Leafs had 11m extra, Marner would be signed by now. They go into last summer knowing they have to sign Marner and Nylander and they go ahead and bring in another 11m player. I have no sympathy for leafs fans, and I've enjoyed watching you squirm for the last year and a half. Enjoy Cap hell
The leafs have 11.1 after they LTIR Horton. Marner is not worth 10 plus. I hope he gets offer sheeted for a ridiculous amount, so Dubas cant match. Why would he match at the lowest end of the 4 firsts at 10.65 roughly. I wouldn't match. 11.1 in capspace 7 firsts over 4 years and you trade for a slick 7-8 million dollar playmaker and include Ceci in the deal, giving you enough to get a Top RHD. This could all be fixed and the leafs would be so much better if a team is that stupid. 1 good year because Tavaras is your Center and he wants Tavaras and Matthew's money. You will lose this debate if you think Marner is worth Kucherov money. You will also lose this debate if you think that both Tavaras and especially Matthew's isnt much better or deserve what they got.
Finally someone who is right!
So last season everyone claimed that JT was that final piece, that was gonna win the Leafs the Cup. Now everyone's saying they shouldn't have signed him because of the cap situation? It was clear that Toronto was going to get cap problems the moment Tavares signed that contract. Besides, didn't he score 40 goals somewhat last season. I agree that the cap is not designed for contracts that pay 11 million per year, but if someone like Tavares is on the market, you at least have to try
Sorry Steve, Tavares' wife recruited him to Toronto, not Mitch.
His pajamas recruited him.
He's the Boy in the Leafs Pajamas. I'm going straight to Hell for that one.
I'm pretty sure the Marner recruitment part was Babs and Dubas telling him he'd be playing with Marner.
sorry..caving in on nylander was a bigger mistake
They kinda caved into Matthews too & just gave him what he wanted, Matthews & his agent destroyed the Leafs management & got caved 11.6M on a frickin 5 year deal? The money isn’t the problem as much as the term. Should of atleast gave him a extra year 6 years instead of 5 cause that was bullshit! Don’t blame Marner for his asking price after that one. He deserves to think he’s worth as much or close to Matthews
i have no problem seeing marner get paid 10 mill/year...my point is that the cap crunch is made worse becuse of the 7 milli for wee willi nylander
JT doesn’t worth $11M
look around the league, there are tone of great players less than $5M
JT opens the door for Matthews and Marner asking for what they got, follow by Nylander
Anyone who gets worth the most is Freddy
THERE IS NO CAP PROBLEM, there's a problem with young talent thinking they are worth more then market value
Agreed. And with smaller term so they can try to get 15 mil in 5 years.
I love that Steve is on the radio.
100% Nylander is why we cant have nice things. Primadona held out knowing Dubas would bend *AND break*
Am I the only one who didn't know Scotty Mac went to Sportsnet?
HAHAHAA ARE YOU THE TYPE OF GUY WHO ORDERS AT A RESTAURANT AND THEY BRING THE WRONG THING AND YOU EAT IT ANYWAYS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You could pair up JT with anyone, the Isles proved that.
Marnier should take whatever is offered to him.
He'll never get a better offer from anyone or it would've happned by now.
Good luck Mitch.
JT took a pay cut to come here and leave the red headed step child of New York hockey. Marner is the main problem with the cap situation