What does Hebrews 6:4-6 really mean?
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- Hebrews 6:4-6 is one of the stickiest scriptures in the Bible. It's been debated for millennia and it has been a source of great anxiety for Christians who fear it teaches that they could lose their salvation.
In this episode AskPD, Dan dives deep into what these verses say (and don't say!)
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I have always struggled with the meaning of this....and to be honest i can see how either side of the coin can be argued....but if we believe that The Bible can not contradict itself then we must concider all the saved people who returned after failure....the man in Corinthians chaper 5 (slept w step mom), Peter denied Jesus and returned stronger, and the famous story of the prodigal son...
I dont know the 100 % defination of Hebrews but I believe God hears when we humble ourselfs and seek Him....
You are correct to form a clear view of the restoration of all who repent from the rest of the clear passages.
This is precisely the position that the early church took in the forth century on this passage, in the aftermath of the preceding 100 years following the wake of the Novatian controversies.
The whole Christian church taught and held that it was possible to fall away after conversion. But they also taught that God calls man back to himself also in true repentance.
The Novatians in the however taught otherwise. They loved this passage and tried to use it during the middie of the third century to justify the false teaching that a person who denies Christ can be restored again to saving faith.
As such, the Western church, which struggled with the Greek grammar of this text, resorted to the Apostolic principle known as "The Analogy of Faith" or ..."The Rule of Faith".
It is taught in Romans 12:6 and means that our teaching and preaching and Expositions must conform to the cheat doctrinal passages upon which the Faith is founded and grounded. This Rule requires us to expound the difficult passages in the light of the clear Doctrinal Passages.
Thus the church of the fourth century handled this passage without ever coming to a true Exposition of it .
At the time of the reformation Calvin claimed that it referred to the sin against the Holy Spirit and that Christians are very far from this sin if they are troubled over sin.
Similarly the orthodox Lutheran writers like Walther and Pieper taught essentially the same thing.
But the Lutheran theologian Müller pointed out that if we are going to hold this, it must be on grounds other than exegesis. This is simply because the text says no such thing.
In truth, the sects that emerged following John Calvin who introduced
"Once Saved Always Saved" (OSAS) for the first time into the church, have come up with every wind of doctrine and private interpretations on this passage. Thus this video also.
The simple truth is that, without Greek grammar IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to rightly Expound this passage.
This is especially true without knowing how different types of Greek participles operate. There are 7 participles and only 1 verb Herd after all.
The first 5 participles are past tense (aorist) substantives. They are used to fully characterise or describe those who were truly born again and certainly fell away..
The remaining 2 participles are present tense temporal, adverbial participles and they quality the present tense infinitive verb.
Hebrews 6:4-6 translates therefore:
For it is impossible for those who were:
- Once enlightened, and
- Have tasted the heavenly gift, and
- Were made partakers of the
heavenly gift, and
- Tasted the good Word of God, and
the powers of the coming age, and then
- Fell away / Became Trespassers
TO BE RENEWING THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE
WHILE ...
- They keep on crucifying to
themselves the Son of God anew
and
- Putting Him to open shame
And this is fully consistent with the prophet Isaiah and therefore consistent with The Rule of Faith (Rom. 12:6).
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
(Isaiah 59:1-2)
very very good video awesome content. My only problem (and it may be on my side but I doubt it since its only your video I am having this issue with) something is up with the volume. I have the video as loud as it will go and I can barely hear what you are saying. The content is spot on though - good job.
I'm glad I read your comment I thought it sounded really low myself.
Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but by me and in no way will I cast out.
There is a huge difference between being "cast out" and walking out the door yourself. And they have zero to do with each other. You can always walk out, because God refuses to spiritually rape you by forcing you to stay with him.
He just won't cast you out for sinning while maintaining a relationship with him through prayer, confession of sin, and worship.
@@randytusha1 Really? Where did the Holy Spirit go?
Exactly. John 3:16 "...WHOMSOEVER believes on His name will have everlasting life."
One either believes belief on the name of Jesus brings ETERNAL salvation or buys into nonsense from Calvinists, RCC or other nonsensical 'teachers'.
This book was written to HEBREWS. They are more likely to profess Jesus then go back to the legalism. Can't do both...
The four epistles are still in the OT. Jesus was a Jew under the Mosaic law. Until He died they were still under the law.
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The key word here is “impossible”
It’s the same Greek word Jesus used when the disciples asked him “Who then can be saved?” in Matthew 19:25.
Jesus responds in the next verse with “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.”
Who is this impossible for? Who is the letter written to? The Hebrews. What the author is saying is that with regard to the old sacrificial system, it has no power to renew to repentance, with Jesus however, what was impossible is now possible.
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But the chapter prior is a warning to not harden the heart. Why?
Because hardening the heart, through continuous DISOBEDIENCE, causes separation btw us and God.
Not loss of salvation. Separation of the RELATIONSHIP.
The Bible clearly states that we MUST obey. If we love Christ, we obey.
Obey what?
Abiding IN Christ and walking WITH the Holy Spirit. How do we do that?
Prayer, fasting, reading scripture, repenting and confession, doing good works…ya know. Picking up our cross and dying to self DAILY.
Why do it daily?
Because if we don’t (disobedience) we CANNOT abide in Christ under our own power. We begin to abide in the world AGAIN.
Yes we are still saved. We cannot sin so much that Jesus says ‘nope you’re done” buuuut…
Eventually, being lukewarm, we start leaning on the world until our sin doesn’t bother us. Conviction becomes more and more silent…
…tell me you’ve never been lazy and seen your OLD MAN start to rise up.
Bible warns we can harden to the point we don’t even think about God because we hear no conviction nor do we care.
We, by thought deed and desire, STOP believing in Jesus. We no longer agree that sin is bad. So we don’t repent or TURN BACK TO CHRIST.
This is called BLASPHEMY. And it is the ONE SIN Jesus says He WILL NOT forgive.
Christians forget about this unpardonable sin.
Moreso, it was the ONE SIN that wasn’t pinned to the cross. If it was Jesus would be a LIAR. Because it would have been forgiven.
See unbelievers CANNOT blaspheme. They CANNOT deny God. Why?
Because the Holy Spirit can only be known thru SALVATION.
That’s why Jesus says you can blaspheme Him or Father, but not the Holy Spirit…
Jesus was HERE on earth. Unbelievers have knowledge of Him.
Father God is known by unbelievers in glory thru His Son and the Son’s creation.
But the Holy Spirit is not known. What atheist have you heard talk down the Holy Spirit?
3 in 1.
If you, AS A BELIEVER, who has partaken/received the Holy Ghost AND SO Jesus thru Him AND SO the Father thru Him, you have been given the TRUTH of God.
To harden your heart thru continuous sin with ZERO repentance is to say Christ (God) still isn’t enough. Even revealed by the Holy Spirit who LIVES IN US.
That is blasphemy. And you are damned.
This is why all the scripture about OBEY, remain in the faith, endure to the end, FLEE from sin…OBEY.
Because we CAN sin and slip into hard hearts. Bible is CLEAR on that.
Those who LOVE Him WILL endure to the end. Because they will obey. Because He LORD and savior. And so they continue to BELIEVE His words and path and commands are GOOD and worthy of pursuit. They walk and submit to the Holy Spirit to overcome sin.
We are no longer slaves.
And they also believe He is worthy of GODLY FEAR.
Fear the one who can destroy soul and body. This is the beginning of WISDOM…
And WHEN we fail (all have sinned) His grace is sufficient to get us back up and keep going.
Every sin is a step away from God and towards the world.
In the end, we would meet Him in blasphemy which makes Him say…
Depart from Me. I never knew you.
Because we are no longer abiding in Him. Because we can’t remember why He is better than this world and the flesh. So we can’t repent and remain in WILLFUL UNBELIEF.
THAT is why He would have to be crucified AGAIN in shame.
Again we aren’t obeying for salvation initially out of fear for our salvation. We do it because we have a new heart that longs for Christ and to be Christlike.
But the warnings are everywhere. Why ignore them?
Jesus LITERALLY tells us He can’t forgive ONE sin.
And that ONE SIN is the end result of total disobedience and lukewarmness and spiritual laziness.
But because the authors assume you understand they don’t go back thru the whole lesson over and over again in detail. They warn you about the various stages leading UP TO blasphemy. Probably because God dying for our sorry selves SHOULD BE enough to garner obedience anyway.
It’s not.
Amazes me how many people want to say grace covers them because Jesus is the SAVIOR.
Yes He is. But you also, in the most elementary way possible, believed He was LORD.
LORD is ruler. Rulers give commands with the expectation of them being followed.
Yet we make excuses and ignore these tough passages. Just like the HEBREWS in Hebrews.
We are still on milk. Meat can’t be served without making the babes cry or choke.
The real question we need to ask ourselves is WHY do we hate the thought of obedience?
Prob because we sin waaaaay more than we should. Maybe because our lifestyle would crack apart by being DOERS of the Word, like it TELLS us to be.
Maybe it’s because we KNOW there’s no excuse. Christ knows we sin…
So He sent the Holy Spirit to empower and guide our walk. And He gave us the Bible to know what to do. And He gave us prayer and fasting etc (spiritual armor) to RESIST the devil.
Starting to see why He says My people perish for lack of knowledge?
@@tersan5043 thanks so much for caring enough to take your time for such a thorough answer. very interesting but can you show me from scripture how this hardening of heart equals blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? I attend an independent Bible Baptist church and they preach hardline OSAS- and as much as I want that to be true I get disturbed when reading the plethora of verses that say “if” you abide, endure, hold fast to the end. Scary stuff- and the lukewarm being spewed out of his mouth or the unfruitful branches being broken off and cast into the fire! And even the apostle Paul saying he buffets his body daily lest after he preaches to others he himself is a cast away. My pastor upon reading such passages says but that doesn’t mean that one can lose his or her salvation it just means they will lose their rewards! I sit there dumbfounded thinking one of us is wrong and I hope it’s me!
The problem I have is that I myself fell away really bad in my early Christian years- I had an unsaved husband and no Christians around me and was not in church because “the churches around me were dead” and I loved God and homeschooled my young children. I was going through an English curriculum that was supposed to be God glorifying and we started ready myths like Gilgamesh and others with stories of a great flood and creation stories and all of a sudden a doubt (now I know it was from the enemy but I was new and alone and green) the thought oh my the Bible is a myth too! Immediately I fell away- the doubt overtook me and I really believe that the Holy Spirit left me- looking back I truly believe that if I died during these about 3.5 years of my life I would have I would have went to hell- because I stopped believing, put my Bible away (i was constantly reading it!)and no longer cared about the Bible or salvation! Praise God He drew me back and have been more on fire for Him than ever.
Hebrews 6:4-6?
@@patientlywaitingforjesusb5498 If you had fallen away, you wouldn't be here. Faith isn't 'blind faith' never questioning (because some of us have some very simple, possibly even heretical 'beliefs' that need a little retooling, as it would seem to be your case since a simple course you taught homeschooling is all it took to have your 'faith' damaged). Ie, it doesn't sound like your prior 'faith' was based on much; it's probably stronger now.
@@patientlywaitingforjesusb5498 If those verses claim the loss of salvation it means Jesus lied. Second it contradicts several scriptures.
The third is once you are saved, God seals you with the Holy Spirit until he redeems you, so, if you had died, you are still saved. How so? Your sins are NOT greater than the grace of God, Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
>>>>> Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
OSAS is the truth. You nor I could ever lose the Holy Spirit, if you want, I can give you the verses.
Just saw this...... THANK YOU ✝️
Ty. Subbed. God bless you.
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I have a question. So if you’re not saved and you turn away, are you able to repent and come back to god and be forgiven? I was wondering because I don’t remember stuff that I did in my past. I am a believer now I repent and ask for forgiveness. Can someone please answer soon I’m worried. Thank you.
Yea, Christ came to forgive all sins… the only sin he won’t forgive is the rejection of Christ. If you ask for forgiveness and repent from sin he will forgive you.
so like if i rejected him could i repent and come back
@@jzacr33 Yes because you’re not saved by works, you’re saved by faith…
ok thank you@@greganderson2239
Yeah as soon as I read this today for the first time it led to much confusion. I'm a Christian now, but for a time a few years ago I went through a period of unbelief, where I denied my faith in God's existence. Same with my best friend who I helped come back to Christianity is well. The part about coming back to faith and sacrificing Jesus again and bringing Him shame, or however it goes exactly, just brought a lot of confusion about how God views my friend and I coming back to our faith. I don't think either of us aren't saved because of this verse, I just needed clarification on what this means exactly. So, thank you for your video.
Some good preliminary work work here…
I think that David Allen argues persuasively in his commentary that this passage is addressing believers (not pretenders).
So, then we have to determine (from THIS text and the flow of Hebrews including the additional warning passages - so they each we coherent; not merely jumping theologically to John 6, Romans 8, etc. Hebrews May be difficult without being obscure) what is being addressed about these believers who have “fallen away”?
Other than the creative argument absurdum to prove the opposite, we need to take seriously the warnings about judgment. And not neuter the force of the warnings by assuring apparent believers that they are good. This would be the opposite impact inherent in the text. These warnings are severe - and hopefully do not apply to the initial or primary listeners. But they must apply to some actual real people (I.e. the warning ms are not merely hypothetical).
But you are completely right about also needing to interpret this passage in light of themes in Hebrews related to Jesus’ atoning work (accomplished once for all) and ongoing priesthood as the Faithful One of God.
Those points above seem to be necessary foundational work. Then interpreters can go from there… But unless interpreters embrace these foundations, they are apt to go astray.
And what do you think going astray would constitute in regards to Hebrews 10:26-31?
Do you think that one can walk away from God after having been saved?
If not why does this scripture warn of the saved sinning willfully and receiving the same judgement as the wicked?
If the person or person's mentioned were not truly saved to begin with why would this passage separate those who have received the knowledge of the truth from the wicked?
Would not those who weren't truly saved to begin with be wicked as well?
@@corrysmith These are good questions you are asking. I have no pat answers. These are among the most difficult passages in Scripture to interpret.
Again, I think David Allen’s exegesis in his Hebrews commentary is the most accurate concerning the intended recipients of these warnings: these warnings are to believers (those who like in the parable of the soils initially responded to the word, and those like in John 6 who initially believed Jesus, before being confirmed as hardened).
Maybe we have more work to do in evangelicalism on our doctrine of soteriology.
Getting out from under Calvinism’s (I/O from eternity) umbrella is a starting point to reconsider the data.
There seems to be a (largely unrecognized) category of temporary believer - who is both subject to falling away and is also fully savable; I.e. people for whom real warnings have actual validity and genuine opportunity to respond. Perhaps there is a time window of conversion where God is genuinely drawing and faith is genuinely being partially responsive prior to being fully actuated.
I am speculating here, but no more than the Calvinists who have logically deduced their system, or Arminians who have sought modifications within the same presuppositions.
That is a very interesting take. Most people are locked firmly in what they were taught and are unwilling to even consider any other interpretation. Thank you.
Spot on thank you!!
Thank you very helpful
So your Systematic determines your hermeneutics over so called confusing passages? Isn’t hard exegesis perhaps consulting with earliest Christian writers whose language was Greek and culture was first century be given precedence?
Hi Brad! Feel free to link me to your exposition of the text or to the Ante-Nicene interpretations you reference 😉
i think you've just answered one my questions but another question. most people feel the bible is just a book and not really sure if the bible is legit. they know all of humanity is flawed and feel awful about their weaknesses against temptation to sin. doubt is what causes that weakness . now these people die with the guilt of their sins and fear comes when they see god on judgement day. now the doubt or uncertainty is gone are you given another chance to repent or is it game over? because if it's game over what's the point of judgment day?
No because the point of having faith my friend is having faith on what isn’t seen not what’s seen.
Hebrews 11:1-4
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
I promise when you crack open the Bible it will all make sense my friend. I know many people have not encountered Jesus, but I did when I was 21 & I will never doubt in God after what I seen. I pray the Holy Spirit answers you & shows you the way!
Paul is writing to the Hebrew True Believers and informing them that it is impossible for THEM to renew the Apostate Jews back to repentance simply bec they do not want to be renewed back to repentance.
Paul never states that it is impossible for God to renew them back to repentance and only a supernatural intervention from above would be their only slim hope.
These Apostate Jews experienced much of
" The New Revealed Way " but in the end they turned their backs on the Truth and returned to their Apostate Judaism, the very thing that caused the Crucifixion of Christ.
The best example in Scripture of this is when Jesus gave his Sermon " I am the Bread of Life " Many of the Jews who had followed Christ for sometime claimed this teaching was to hard for them to accept AND FOLLOWED HIM NO MORE.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who is fearful that they may have committed this Unforgivable Sin to have committed this Unforgivable sin.
Anyone who wants to be renewed back to repentance can be renewed back to repentance regardless of how serious their backsliding may have been.
Hebrews 6 only applies to those who don't want to be renewed to repentance and do not think they need to be.
Amen, great explanation
What do you do with 1 Corinthians 9:27 KJV with Paul speaking.
“But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: least that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”
I don’t believe we should give anyone a false hope with so much at stake, like eternal life.
A cast away in Paul's time was a flawed coin that had to go back into the furnace.
He is questioning his salvation, just like the rest of us do. This does not mean the loss of salvation.
Maybe you should think better about this since it appears yoy saying that believing in jesus is false hope so yeah..
There seems to be no hope on earth if faith is playing a game trying to keep on Santa’s good side, worrying if we preach one wrong word, or die at the wrong time, then God would condemn us.
I can’t reconcile getting to heaven and God saying to a bunch of the unfaithful “you knew me at one point, and if you died then, you would’ve been with me forever, but I let you live for a little while longer and now will preserve your life for torture, locking you eternally in a state of unfaithfulness”.
I think it means, unless he becomes as one in need of discipline.
Thank you brother ❤ and ✝️🛐 s for you and your family
“Less clear, confusing” - seems straight forward to me.
@4:08 It doesn't work to say "this person was never truly saved" unless you truly believe that nonChristians are.
1) enlightened
2) have tasted the heavenly gift
3) have shared in the Holy Spirit
4) have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
and if you throw in similar passage 2 Peter 2:20
5) escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
These verses are not all that vague or unclear whatsoever in their meaning and intent. They constitute a clear warning against "falling away from the faith, returning to your old life of unbelief and sin, apart from a relationship with God through faith in his saving grace to us in Christ. We are called to a life of "repentance from sin, to faith in Christ and his atoning sacrifice by his shed blood for our sins at the cross. Its not all that complicated. Its a question of faith, and obedience to the the command of God that all people everywhere are to "repent" and "believe" the good news, promises to us in Christ. Acts 17:30 for emphasis.
Hebrews 6:4-6 is not an obscure passage. There are plenty of scriptures
to teach against OSAS. Plus the fact that the oldest Christians, Orthodox and Catholic both reject eternal security!
So Jesus is a liar? I cast out none, I lose none? What about the Holy Spirit living in you until God redeems you? You are sadly mistaken.
Actually Hebrews 6 , the author is warning HEBREWS that returning to the law for salvation/righteousness is a lost cause. Jesus + nothing. He goes on to say that after Jesus, there’s nothing left for you to be saved… in context he’s not talking about “losing your salvation (for gentiles), He’s talking to Hebrews and the consideration of returning to Moses… similar to a lot of what Paul writes about in Galatians.
Best explanation I have gotten. Thanks brother.
I believe it refers to becoming an apostate after having believed in Christ...*(leaving it ALL behind as the verse goes) * I don't believe it refers to backsliding which, at one point or another, many, many have done. I don't believe in Once Saved always saved either. I believe that is straight from the pits of Hell just like pretribulation theory. You can neither lose your salvation nor have it snatched away by another the bible tells us. But you can throw it away by backsliding and not repenting.
Would there be other Scriptures outside of Hebrews that would validate the possibility of throwing one’s own salvation away (that would overcome the promises of Romans 8?
@@chaddonal4331Jesus implies mandatory obedience in the garden of gethsemane. You are his follower if you obey his commands.
Somewhere in the writings of Paul we are also encouraged to run the race lest we do not finish it.
In marriage, spouses or betrothed people make mistakes, but if they hate you and organise a divorce or cancel the wedding, that is something quite different.
This is a nuanced area, where we as individuals cannot judge ourselves correctly, ironically however having faith in Jesus requires that we trust He is able to keep us. As with the unforgivable sin, if you're worried it's you, you're probably not committing it. If you're worried about someone else, just do your best, and remember you're not the judge.
@@chaddonal4331 Reread every parable. It's all over once your eyes are open to it. Faith = Obedience
Bob, I don’t think there is anywhere in Scripture that mentions backsliding and not repenting as a means of forfeiting one’s salvation. Perhaps outright rejection and complete apostasy.
Which sins are you referring to? How many over what period? When does grace end and apostasy begin? He who started a good work in you will see it through. I don’t believe there was an asterisk after that passage. Salvation is a gift from God not anything you can earn, so how do you lose something you didn’t deserve to begin with? If you treat eternal security as a “do what you want”…that is not true saving faith. You can’t “works” your salvation to remain in compliance.
Clearly a Christian can turn from God. A Christian can turn from the path of salvation. We all have a choice. God has given us free will. Choose Him for life or choose the other end which is death. "A dog returns to his vomit" Whoever wants eternal life is risking dying by returning to their vomit, if they do not turn back to God. There is no sin on God's path of righteousness and only God's path has eternal life. Do not be deceived!
Why then is Paul “Persuaded that NOTHING can separate US from the Love of God”?
•Seems as if he knows we have been washed and always will be
@@malcolm716 Paul was not teaching that a person could not leave the faith. In fact he taught the opposite and warned as did the other apostles to not be deceived. We must remain in Christ for salvation and not be deceived into going down another path.
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Romans 11:22)
@@HislawisTruth i understand what your saying, but I’m asking what did he mean when he said that he is “persuaded that nothing can separate us from the Love of God”?
@@malcolm716 Well it is speaking of those who love God and are called according to His purpose. It is not speaking of those who return to their filth.
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. (Romans 8:28-30)
@@HislawisTruth
I understand what your saying, thank you
I believed this passage is a parallelism with the passage that teaches about the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, in both situations the concept emphasizes with the rejecting Jesuschrist but also doing it publicly. Putting the gospel to open shame to men. But it is just my interpretation, don't know if it has any bearing in the matter.
Once saved always saved is not scriptural. The passage is referring to apostacy not necessarily daily sin. Apostacy is a willful rejection of God and the quote from Jesus that states those that endure until the end will be saved. Meaning, just because you say the words now does not mean you are good to go through the rest of your life. Your salvation must be worked out and walked out daily until the return of our King. Do not be so naïve as to think you can just live your life how ever you want and think that you won't suffer eternal consequences from those choices. The point was well made of what apostacy is, but to say that a person was never saved because of that would call for judgement on our part. Remember we have free will, and by being saved means that Christ will never forsake us, then that means we can't ever change our minds after that acceptance, which also means we then no longer have free will.
Remember, the word ἀποστασία (apostasy) doesn't occur in this text. Further, nobody who believes in eternal security believes you can simply say some magic words, live however you want, and then go to heaven when you die. That's a parody of the belief. - Dan
@@ConnectCalgary Even though the word is not used it is described in the beginning of verse 6 with "and then have fallen away". This is not talking about sin, but apostacy. I agree once saved always saved is a parody, but it is a reality, that I've personally witnessed, that has been taught and believed by many "believers".
I can't just help but feel like I did something horrible against God. I was baptized in 2016, was going strong for God etc and slowly fell back into sin. Joined the masons and felt like I did something so horrible against God and that I was disconnected from him and I was so worried that I accidentally committed apostasy... I didn't know it was a religion/ basically for the devil... I just wanted to help people but man... I really hope I didn't do the thing.... I did repent, rebuke, renounce and give back everything they gave me after I felt like that and after God told me to give back the 30 pieces of silver... I'd like any advice on why I still feel like I can't feel my heart/ spirit after all of that. Help? Thank you.
@thefaithfultruth Thank you, I'm trying to strengthen my relationship with God again after falling away so far as to accidentally doing that. It just scares me that once I did it, I instantly knew I was deceived and felt horrible. I keep feeling unworthy/ unredeemable/ that I've taken the mark etc. I see now that it mocks the resurrection and that also kind of worries me. I've been fighting with this feeling for 3 months, it's horrible. I have no idea how to get rid of it/ make it stop. All I want to do now is get close to God and it just feels like I'm either unable to or that I won't be able to again because of what I've done. I'm trying to stay strong and I really thank you for helping me out. I can't lie, it worries me and I do know the only one that can save me from this is Jesus. I just keep fighting those thoughts every day and it's a real battle that I didn't even want/ realize I was getting into. Once again, thank you for your help and words, it does help a bit. God bless.
@thefaithfultruth Thank you, I'm trying. That's the way I feel, like what Solomon did. masonic stuff is based off solomons temple etc. One day I had pictures of a bull in my vision with an eye in the middle of it's head =\ I looked it up and it was molech =\ I think the masons worship false gods and I had no idea before I joined, I guess that's the point of deception =\ I reckon that's another reason I feel like this too. Thank you for all of your help, I'm trying to keep going, it's definitely not easy and I keep feeling crushed but no one said it ever would be ya know. Thank you
Apostasy is a wilful and ongoing rejection of the faith; the situation you describe is neither of those things. Your recognition of wrong, feelings of remorse and returning of the items all demonstrate that you are sincere in your repentance. 1 John 1:9 promises us that if we confess our sins, God is faithful to forgive *all* of our unrighteousness. I would also encourage you to read the story of Peter's denial of Christ in John 18 and then his restoration in John 21. 🙏
@@danielsweaza3770 Thank you, I guess sometimes we just need that reminder as to what he's done for us. It's like God has been leading me to those verses/ the prodigal son story a lot here lately. I really need to start studying the gospel more. Thank you for your help. All glory to God.
Many Christians struggle with this passage. If you had commuted apostasy you wouldn’t be worried about it. Jesus never turns away someone who is seeking forgiveness. 1 John 1:9 has no exclusions. We are to take our Christian faith seriously and allow these types of passages to nudge us in the right direction back to Jesus but don’t let the devil steal your joy over this. Put on the whole armor of God. Remember we are in a spiritual battle as long as we live on this earth.
May yiu be filled with His peace!
I disagree that this is even a passage about mankind in general. What men have tasted the heavenly gift? People that die and come back? The power of the coming age? Are we talking about the prohohets who have seen visions of the future? There is no specific text in the previous nor following passages that cause certainty for me that we are talking about men or fallen angels. As a matter of fact Christians should be a little weary of passages like this because it’s the very thing doctrines are founded on. John 6:37 says that those that come to him will in no way be cast out? I’m for sure not saying that I’m right and most Christian teachers are wrong but I would challenege people to think outside the box on some of these things. The description in Hebrews 6:4 fits perfectly for an answer to why fallen angels cannot be brought back in through repentance.
The “heavenly gift” is referring to “grace.” Hebrews 6:4-6 is not talking about salvation, it’s talking about spiritual maturity vs spiritual immaturity.
The reason why the Angels will not be saved for leaving their first estate is they sinned eternal as man sinned in time. That is your difference.
This passage never says that these people were saved. It just says that they were enlightened, and that they tasted the good word of God, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost. This is not talking about a born again Christian. This is talking about a person who hears the Gospel, the Holy Spirit is convicting them, He is showing this person His truth, they understand the Gospel message, it fully sinks in with them what it is, and they're almost saved.....and they turn away from it, they decide it's not for them. It's a complete rejection, they become reprobate, they can't be saved.
“Partakers of the Holy Spirit”. This can only refer to believers. To partake is to participate, to receive the benefit from. No unbeliever is yet a participant in the Holy Spirit.
@nelg3334 Without the NT, no one is saved, let alone from the OT.
@nelg3334 Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Looks like you are mistaken.
@jesuschristisyhwh love this answer.. good discernment 👍
Thanks
I think we All feel should know NONE OF US never sins !!!! We are SAVED by grace through FAITH in the finished work on the cross and the sacrificial blood of Jesus ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
We all have sinned. In Yeshua there is freedom from sin. He tells us how to abide in Him and that is by keeping His Commandments. We have to let the Spirit lead us.
John 8:34-36
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
“And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
“Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
Or simply the fact that we are held in the hand of GOD, and no one is stronger than GOD and we can NOT be taken from his hand. So, no you can't lose your salvation.
Willful sin vs sinning in ignorance. There is a HUGE difference.
@@corrysmith Wrong, sin is sin, no matter what it is.
@@VincentDavito That's not what the Bible says and I believe the Bible over you.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [a]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If Hebrews says those who are saved knowingly and willfully return to sin are condemned and 1 John 1:8-10 says if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and 1 John 1:8-10 also says we all sin, are we all doomed or is non-willful sin forgiven and willful sin condemned?
What is your interpretation?
Is the Bible wrong or are you?
What is the point for mentioning that the author of Hebrews is not known?
Fact, who wrote the Gospel of Mark? Do you just toss that out too?
Try this, An early Christian tradition deriving from Papias of Hierapolis 60-c.130 AD attributes authorship of the gospel to Mark, a companion and interpreter of Peter. Still, most scholars believe that it was written anonymously and that the name of Mark was attached later to link it to an authoritative figure.
Or simply the fact that we are held in the hand of GOD, and no one is stronger than GOD and we can NOT be taken from his hand. So, no you can't lose your salvation.
The apostles asked jesus how many times you should forgive someone who sins against you? He answered( paraphrased) 7 × 70. Obviously there is spiritual conontations to the number 7 but if one asks for forgiveness with a repentant heart we are to forgive.forgiveness is a large component of christianity,here on earth why should it not be so in heaven?
The problem is interpretation. The word is the word no matter the denomination.
What about a Christian falling and getting up seven times? What about Romans 7?
Still saved. The Holy Spirit never leaves you. Never.
There is a difference between willful sin and sinning in ignorance which is what this verse addresses.
The problem with that view is it is very easy to willfully sin and not even comprehend what you are doing. I will give one example that stands out to me. I was riding along in a vehicle with a church member that was a preacher (very legalistic I might add but a nice man) and we were having a discussion on this topic and he was stating how he didn't see how anyone that willfully sinned could be saved. The irony was he had a lead foot. He was going a good 10 miles or so above the speed limit and he did this all the time and he constantly got speeding tickets for this and it was kind of an on going joke that he had a lead foot at church. The thing is the Bible speaks about obeying the laws of the land (to know to do right and not to is sin). While this might not seem like much, he was "willfully sinning while talking about other people willfully sinning" the irony being he couldn't see the beam in his own eye for the speck in other people's eyes. I have caught myself doing this very same kind of thing so I would say if that interpretation is correct then NO ONE has any hope.
@@aaronowen4425 I don't know what was going on in the heart and mind of you or your friend when you broke the law but God does and he is our judge.
I do know what the scriptures say about willfully sinning after having been saved and this isn't just my interpretation the scriptures actually say unequivocally in plain to read English "For if you sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins but the fearful expectation of the fiery judgement which awaits the wicked" now I haven't heard a logical refutation to the claim that this verse means exactly what it says yet and I've heard a lot of different interpretations trying to hop scotch around the obvious truth about this verse that scares the hell out of everyone that hears it.
Ultimately God is our judge but do not be so foolish as to overlook this verse as if it doesn't mean exactly what it says.
@@aaronowen4425 And you cannot willfully sin and not comprehend you're willfully sinning.
Please give an example of each type of sin so we can understand what you mean? I really believe that all sin is actually wilful because you made the decision to sin. If you get angry at someone and curse at him. You still sinned wilfully because it wasn’t your anger that sinned it was you that sinned. If you sin it is out of choice. The bible also says that, he that is born of God cannot sin which means your new nature is perfect and then you will only sin when you become sin conscious.
@@JacquesLouisBadenhorst No your new nature isn't perfect after you have been saved even Paul says I do not claim to have reached perfection but I strive toward that which is perfect.
And as for wilful sin vs sinning in ignorance first off for you to ask for a list of sins categorically ordered shows your hateful nature and dishonesty behind that question because you have no intention to learn but to cast accusations and ask sarcastic got you questions because your ideology has been challenged and found un-Biblical and false.
For anyone reading this who really cares about knowing the truth the Bible separates wilful sin from the rest in both Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26-31.
Wilful sin would be a sin you know and understand before hand to be sin and you Willfully commit it.
A sin in ignorance would be a sin in which you react without thinking about what you're doing before you do it like feeling lust or hate or jealousy in your heart but as soon as you realize what you're feeling you turn from that sinful emotion and ask for God's forgiveness and guidance.
There are other sins in ignorance but I'm not going to list categorically or otherwise every single solitary possible willful and non-willful sin a human could possibly ever commit every second of their entire life because you cannot face the fact that the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine is an un-Biblical heresy.
ALL NATIONS SHALL BE BLESSED BY CHRIST…
“ALL HUMANITY/FLESH/NATIONS/FAMILIES OF THE EARTH…SHALL “BE SAVED AND COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH!!!” GOD’S WILL is that ALL MEN WILL BE SAVED…Those that followed Christ will enjoy the rank and favor or God’s Gifts…
very well stated! I am now a new subscriber.
Thanks and welcome!
the only thing that worries me, why is this guy reading from a living translation and not the kjv. The living paraphrase translation.
I encourage you to double check your claims regarding the the New Living Translation. It is a full translation from critical editions of Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. It carries more of the “dynamic equivalence” translation philosophy, but it is in no way a paraphrase and it is perfectly suitable for devotional use by Christians. - Dan
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@@ConnectCalgary With all due respect to you and your followers. The KJV is the preserved word of God. It is the standard, it cannot be improved upon the true word of God. The NLT has omitted over 4,367 words, so how can it be better? Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city. and from the things which are written in this book. I believe that in order to get someone saved you have to read a text from the true bible and I don't believe the NLT does that.
The Bible says in ROM 10:17 " and faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. When I got saved In a non-denominational Church. I used the NIV and I liked it, but then I started seeing errors and switched to the KJV, and yes it's a little tough to read but you keep learning. Ernie
Well. These posts has been confusing. Excellent points on each side of the argument. I’m just gonna quit doing obvious sins that are premeditated - if I can.
Well I don’t know who is right on this subject except when you showed the two different Greek words, in those two places, it made more since than ever,and this is why… I have stumbled & I have slipped over the years myself, I lost my daughter in 2020, then the following year my husband died. My faith took a big hit, I didn’t stop believing anything about GOD IN A NEGATIVE WAY, I had always believed that I life & times are in GODS hands. I knew that they are with him because they both were saved. Did their loss cause me problems YES.. I felt what did I do to deserve this, for sure.. but I kept coming back to how grief can affect our walk with the Lord.. I’m not anything but grievous over my latest stumble at my age especially. I will spare you all the details, but when you were talking here, I was reminded of HOSEA AND HOW GOD KEPT HIM IN TAKING HER BACK FROM HORING AND IT HIT ME, Everytime I fell & stumbled was because I couldn’t take the heartache of my life and I just wanted the pain to stop..( not at any of those times realizing it wasn’t God that put them on me, it was Satan; and GOD WAS GOING TO USE THESE SAME PRESSERS TO SHOW ME SOME THINGS.. and I couldn’t stay away from the Lord because I had loved him so much as a little child and I couldn’t stay away from him very long.. I hate I made some of those choices now, but in the context of GOMMER & HOSEA I HAD HOPE, but after hearing some of this preaching of HEBREW’s Chapter 6, I got worried again, DO I HAVE ANY MORE TO HOPE THAT GOD UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAPPENED IN MY LIFE AND WILL HE FORGIVE ME OR JUST SHOULD I FORGET ABOUT EVER GOING TO BE WITH MY LORD WHEN I PASS FROM THIS LIFE… I pray I might have explained this enough should you answer any of the comments.. sorry it’s so long, just trying to put it together in my head, past all the agony I’m having to deal with since my losing my loved ones. It’s been the hardest to pray let alone read my Bible, I’m not sure why this is happening but I know I want all this to just go away & let me get back to some normalcy in my life again .. thank you & GODS SPEED IF YOU ARE A TRUE TEACHER OF WHAT GODS WORD IS TRULY SAYING, p.s. none of these preacher’s have put the two different Greek in context of this one verse & compared it with the other that I listened too..
When John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ, the Lord in His address to His seven churches of believers He gave dire warning of having their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life, cast into outer darkness, their lamp-stands removed, being spewed out of His mouth. Unless they repent and overcome they can in no wise enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
This Book was written to the believer, not to the heathen or unconverted.
This is not an isolated scripture either, because we have 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
So there are some who do know the Lord Jesus Christ but will not obey Him or the instructions as laid out in His Word. He qualified by :If you love me, obey my commands. And we are called to love Him with all our strength, thought, word and deed. Why else would He say, Be ye holy, as I Am holy, not to do His own will but the the will of Him who sent Him. If you have lost your first love, caught up in sin, compromise the faith, neglect you commission, then He warned He'll spew you from His mouth.
I believe that this particular scripture talks about those who willingly choose to reject God and walk away from the faith, to go and sin in the world, who then get a smack-down and want to return. As Paul said, they become a slave to their sin, at which point you get to 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12:(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The world will deceive you, Satan will deceive you, your own flesh deceives you, what then hope do you have when you encounter some uncomfortable truths in the Bible , and instead of bending your own will to serve (worship) God, you reject the chidings of the Holy Spirit, grieve Him because He is only trying to help you, and go in the opposite direction? God the Father, your Creator has elected to feed your self-delusion that you may be damned, that all creation can see that He is a righteous and Just Judge, who weighs the thoughts and intent of your heart, to justify whom He will justify.
Live for Him and Him alone, no matter how hard life gets, hold out till death, then we will truly be walking in the Kingdom of Heaven with our God.
In your case, there is the difference of falling into sin, which is ever crouching at the door, for it's desire is to have you, but you shall master it. It shall not have dominion over you. In you was always the war for your soul, and the tug / pull to get back to your God, your conscience never letting you go. This is the pull of the good Shepherd go goes out after the one, and brings them back.
A better example to look at is Peter. Boasted about his faithfulness, called the mouth-piece of Satan, rejected the Lord, went back to his life of fishing. Then the Lord miraculously revealed Himself from the shore, prepared a meal for Peter, humbled him to an acceptable level of devotion and then commissioned him back into the faith. This is the Rock, it was always ever only about what the Lord Jesus Christ did.
I too suffered an enormous tragedy, fell into sin, and got my warning. I'm still here serving His body as I know best. This walk will cost you everything, as as soon as you realize it was you, your sin that gave the enemy a foothold. But when you come to learn to love this truth about yourself, then can God's Word truly transform you into the image of His son. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Be blessed sister.
Once you give answers like " It's possible", "maybe not", "I've given you a couple of possibilities ", or "a possibility" you nullify your entire point. You simply don't know the answer.
Be sure to link me to your explainer video, William. I'd love to see how you exegete the passage.
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What about the parable of the 10 virgins, or the 3 servants, or Mathew 7: 21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons vin your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. ( I think this verse is speaking to people who never really believed like Judas )
So let me ask you what is the will of the Father??
Read the last four words in verse 23. It's clear why Yeshua rejected them. They believed but they wouldn't keep the law. Many people who believe that they are saved think they don't need to keep the law but Yeshua clearly says here that He will reject them. Matthew 5:17-18 proves that the law still stands unchanged, unless Yeshua is a liar. Most Christians don't believe Him.
Keeping the Sabbath is a sign that we are the Father's. Ignoring the Sabbath and keeping Sunday as the Sabbath is a sign that you honor the beast.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that the Sabbath was changed.
@@user-oj7xg2qj8hkeeping His commandments is one.
@@robertschmidt9296Actually, there are! Check Colossians 2:16-17 and Mark 2-27-28
@@n1ghtz84 Mark 2:27-28 doesn't say that the Sabbath was changed, Yeshua was stating a fact that was since the begining.
Colossians 2:16-17. Are you aware that the Colossian church was not in Israel? They didn't grow up in the knowledge of the Torah so why would the pagans judge people who do things like they themselves do? Paul was encouraging them to keep the Torah, not break it.
Point #2, it says Sabbaths (plural), not Sabbath (singular). There is only one weekly Sabbath but there are seven annual Sabbaths.
Point #3, the weekly Sabbath was made before mankind fell so it's not a shadow of things to come but the seven annual Sabbaths are. Yeshua is the center of all seven of them. The first four have come to pass but the last three have not yet been fulfilled. Why would Yahweh command us to keep them but stop when Yeshua died and then keep them again when Yeshua returns and reigns for the last thousand years? That makes no sense.
I would have to disagree with your conclusion regarding 1 John 2:19. If you read the context, it says, "Little children, there are the end times, and as you heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen. By this we know that it is the final hour. They went out from us, but they didn't belong to us; for it they had belonged to us, they would have continued with us..." He is referring to "antichrists." they denied (based upon the context of 1 John), in some cases, that Jesus is the Christ, perhaps even that He came in the flesh, etc. We have no information in why they joined the cause in the first place, but as a retired pastor, I have known folks like that, who after years of coming to church, discovered that they never believed in the deity of Christ. Many apply this passage to moral defection, but rather, it's doctrinal disagreements that caused their departure. For instance in verse 22, John writes: "Who is a liar but who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."
I would also have to take issue with the insert of Matthew 24:13 as evidence of a faith accompanied by works in order to save one. Verse 13, on the surface, appears to speak of one who will be saved if they persevere. However, Eph. 2:8-9 and my favorite verse John 5:24 clearly states that the one who is "born from above," already has eternal life and is already saved. Also one is saved by faith, it is a "free gift," and is not achieved, only if one has perseverance in good works. Also, the only other use of the word, "saved," in Matthew 24 has to do with physically being saved (24:22). And something else to consider, the word, "save" is used in regard to deliverance from trials over 70 percent of the time in the NT. Usually where the confusion comes in, is in drawing a distinction between salvation and eternal rewards. Persevering and good works is a condition of eternal rewards.
But not to be entirely argumentative here, I liked some of your take on the passage at hand and enjoyed your style and presentation. Regarding your main text in Hebrews, if we were to take it literally, then it would mean that anyone who fell away could no longer repent, which we know isn't true. This passage looks at Jewish believers who at one time had rejected the Jewish sacrifices and trusted fully in Jesus' power to save, but later, some of them began to go back into Jewish rituals to please God. This is why 6:6 says, "since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God and put Him to an open shame." Why? because it's as if they're saying that Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough. With this attitude, it's impossible for them to repent. Then in verses 8 and 9, this attitude will rob them of blessings and any works, activities will be burned. Very similar to 1 Corinthians 3 where it says, "If anyone's work is burned up, he will experience loss, but he himself will be saved, but only as through the fire."
Verse 8 the end of this passage directly restates Jesus parable of the unfaithful servant. That they will be thrown into the fire. This verse says exactly what means. It’s not because of sin. But if you turn back. It’s over. Jesus himself was crystal clear about that this verse literally restates that parable. I’m surprised the pastor didn’t catch that. You can come to salvation with out money or cost. But to keep it. What does Jesus say. Narrow and hard is the road that leads to life. And FEW find it. Not all of his church. Not all Christian’s. FEW. The once saved always saved notion is not real. Our first commandment is to love God. Gods says Love is patient endurance. Christians are put to the absolute test to see if we love God and do we endure or do we turn - then it’s over. Do your homework on what the words of the Bible say. It’s not all happy we accept Jesus and just go on. It’s everything but that.
TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE WE HAVE TO TRACE THE WORDS BACK TO ITS ORIGIN IN WHICH IT WAS WRITTEN NEW TESTAMENT WAS IN GREEK
Heb 6:6 If they( G2532 ) shall fall away, G3895 to renew G340 them again G3825 unto G1519 repentance; G3341 seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, G388 G1438 G3588 G5207 G2316 and G2532 put him to an open shame. G3856
That last part put him to an open shame
Greek Strong 3856=paradeigmatizō ===to show alongside (the public), that is, expose to infamy: - make a public example, put to an open shame.
So thats very similar to the sin blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
meaning to have been expose to the truth and converted then you fall away and publicly shaming the Son of God which is the Lord Jesus
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Where is the converted part?
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2 verses prior, Hebrew 6:4 it talks about having been enlightened... when you are born again "Spiritually" Christ gives you a new Spirit, and you are able to see the Kingdom of Heaven and you are able to comprehend the bible...so the only way you are enlighten is having Faith which Faith means you are persuaded into accepting and knowing the bible is the word of God...thats why Jesus says you will know the truth and the truth will set you Free...because Jesus Spirit is Truth
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
@@Ghost_Coffee_ You posted: So thats very similar to the sin blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. How can you blasphemy the Holy Spirit today?
The problem with this interpretation and the belief that you can’t lose salvation is that it contradicts scripture (Hebrews 10:26-31, Galatians 5:4, etc), as well as contradicting the plain reading of this passage, while also contradicting what the Christians have believed for the first 1500 years of Christianity. There is actually no basis or context for this interpretation
What about John 10: 28,29
Galatians 5:4 describes falling away from what has been offered to you by following the law (sacrifice and atonement of Christ Jesus)
Hebrews 10:26-3 desribes those who the heard the gospel and ignore it in favour of sin.
To me, none have been offered salvation through the Spirit of Christ.
knowlede of does not mean saved.
Can you read the scriptures please seems to me you just like to talk
1 John 2:19
Well then you’d have to acknowledge that you don’t and can’t know which of the current members of the church belong, and they don’t and can’t know if you belong.
Do you want to play that game?
It also leaves no room for someone to make the decision to come back to the faith. Don’t we have free will?
Are you trying to say the prodigal son is a bad story?
Indeed, we do not know "which of the current members of the church belong [to Christ]." That's the whole point of the parable of the wheat and the tares (Matt 13:24-43); it's God's prerogative who to judge and when to judge them.
Further, it seemed obvious to me that the reference to 1 John 2:19 relates to someone who left *permanently*. The Greek bears this out: The second entry in the LN lexicon means "to pass away" or "to go out of existence." The same word is used in Acts 16:19 to describe a future that is destroyed. 1 John 2:19 has no bearing on the parable of the prodigal son, precisely because he did return.
What I see is a bunch of people who read something that didn't make them feel good and are now looking for the comfortable answer. Jesus will never kick you out, but you can walk out yourself. Stop hiding behind warm feelings and accept that you will face God's wrath and it will be holy justice.
Compare 2 Peter 2:20, 21 with Hebrews 6:4 - 6
Where & when did Peter change the subject to saved people?
What's a saved people?
@@TheRastacabbage In 2 Peter 2, Peter tells the Church that false converts have come into the church. That whole chapter never changes.
to point out saved people. Saved people are the one's who are saved by Jesus Christ.
The verse is clear there's no controversy there is no two interpretations a lot of people want to take scripture and make it to suit them it doesn't work like that it says just what it is the truth
Ezekiel 33:13 " Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die." Ezekiel 33:18-19"When the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it. And when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he shall live by this." Regarding the Sabbath, Jesus even kept the Sabbath in death, he died on Friday, rested on Saturday and rose again on Sunday. No where in the Bible does it say the 10 commandments are done away with. We must take the Bible at face value, and not use our own interpretation to try to explain what the Bible is saying.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. What you fail to understand is, Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
👉👉👉👉👉👉 Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.👈👈👈👈We are under grace, not the law. Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
@@VincentDavito None of the passages you quoted say anything about the 10 commandments being no more. The law it is speaking of is Moses law, not the 10 commandments. The first half is loving God with all your heart, the second half is loving your neighbor as yourself. Moses law was to be a witness against you. Scripture interprets itself so by adding your own interpretation you are attempting to make scripture fit your world view and beliefs. You are taking scripture out of context and to make it look like it means something else. You must read scripture as a whole and cross reference each part to find it's true meaning, not cherry pick a line here and there to fit a narrative.
John 10- 28,29
@@solofourohsixgaming Oh I get it, you only posted your editorial right?
Everything I posted has everything to do with you posting Ezekiel.
We are NOT under the law. We are under grace. Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Romans 3:24 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
2 Timothy 2:1 - Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. You are in the wrong Covenant.
👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉 Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:16 👉👉👉👉👉👉 This is the covenant 👈👈👈👈👈👈that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 👉👉👉👉👉👉 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.👈👈👈👈👈👈👈👈Now, can you refute me with Bible Scriptures other than saying, because I say so?
@@jesussavesministriesnepal1684 Many think they must add something to the works Jesus already did to save man. Very great verses you posted, God Bless.
The Holy Spirit is able to keep you from falling
It is impossible for us to lose our salvation, for it be stolen, for God to walk away from us. We can only trade it ( sell it ) for sin. Just like Esau sold his birthright to Jacob. We have free will to get saved and we have free will to walk away. Otherwise if we cannot choose to leave God then we do not have free will.
Good luck with that one! Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. God scolds his children in this world.
Most people have trouble with Hebrews is because it was mainly written to the Hebrew people eventhough it has Christian values in it!!!
once we have to holy ghost in us we cannot change our mind on christ and reject that gift
I do like the premise that made that His sacrifice atoned once and for all the sin of the believer.
However, the statement that we can never loose our salvation I read from the Bible to be false.
When John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ, the Lord in His address to His seven churches of believers He gave dire warning of having their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life, cast into outer darkness, their lamp-stands removed, being spewed out of His mouth. Unless they repent and overcome they can in no wise enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
This Book was written to the believer, not to the heathen or unconverted.
This is not an isolated scripture either, because we have 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
So there are some who do know the Lord Jesus Christ but will not obey Him or the instructions as laid out in His Word. He qualified by :If you love me, obey my commands. And we are called to love Him with all our strength, thought, word and deed. Why else would He say, Be ye holy, as I Am holy, not to do His own will but the the will of Him who sent Him. If you have lost your first love, caught up in sin, compromise the faith, neglect you commission, then He warned He'll spew you from His mouth.
I believe that this particular scripture talks about those who willingly choose to reject God and walk away from the faith, to go and sin in the world, who then get a smack-down and want to return. As Paul said, they become a slave to their sin, at which point you get to 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12:(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The world will deceive you, Satan will deceive you, your own flesh deceives you, what then hope do you have when you encounter some uncomfortable truths in the Bible , and instead of bending your own will to serve (worship) God, you reject the chidings of the Holy Spirit, grieve Him because He is only trying to help you, and go in the opposite direction? God the Father, your Creator has elected to feed your self-delusion that you may be damned, that all creation can see that He is a righteous and Just Judge, who weighs the thoughts and intent of your heart, to justify whom He will justify.
Live for Him and Him alone, no matter how hard life gets, hold out till death, then we will truly be walking in the Kingdom of Heaven with our God.
Respectfully disagree. The point of Heb. 6 is to show that even if a Christian apostatizes, they can’t lose their salvation because Christ died once for ALL sin, including apostasy. The passage later on says that by two immutable things (the promise and the oath) coupled with the idea that God cannot lie, we can take strong refuge. Nowhere does it set parameters on which sins either prove we were never really saved (which is an unorthodox Calvinist doctrine), or if certain sins result in a loss of it. He’s clearly telling them that even if they were to apostatize that they are still saved because God promised and interposed it with an oath. The whole point is to mature in your faith, not put pressure on Christians to make sure they better persevere, or else they were just fooling themselves.
Hebrews 4-6 is about what’s spoke of in Hebrews 5:12-14, which is spiritual maturity. Essentially Hebrews 6:4-6 is referring to returning to dead works (spiritual immaturity), not apostasy. And it definitely has nothing to do with the lose of salvation since it’s not possible to lose your salvation.
@@Nighhhts yes but your analysis incomplete. It’s not just returning to dead works, the “faith toward God” is connected to it as one event. In other words, repentance and faith is the salvation event. Note that it is followed by the word “again.” What does “again “ mean? A second time or another time. So what the author is saying is to mature beyond thinking that they have to keep getting saved again and again (repentance from dead works and faith towards God a second time), and understand that it is impossible to lose their salvation because Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient once for all. Even if they apostatize they are still saved because of the sufficiency of Jesus to save to the uttermost.
But living a life continually doubting and having to get born again and again says that Christ’s blood isn’t sufficient. And asking to get saved again and again brings shame on Christ because it’s a testimony that you need more than Jesus, He isn’t enough. And that’s why the analogy of the ground follows.
@@2001BornAgain
I 100% agree! I did want to mention this but I couldn’t put it into words at the time.
@@2001BornAgain
So to confirm, you believe this pertains to both a turning away from dead works, as well as salvation through Christ? If so, I’m not 100% certain it’s both, but I can see where you’re coming from, and I do think I agree. I think it’s leaning more in regards to going back dead works (law of sin) instead of the grace (law of God) through Christ, and the attempt to “crucify to themselves the Son of God again” is a theoretical in that it is impossible to do because one time was enough for all time. Those who go back to the law of sin (the Mosaic Law) instead of the law of God (grace) will be (theoretically) crucifying Christ again, which would be a denial of His crucifixion being sufficient enough. I think we’re essentially saying the same thing, but this is one of the most difficult passages in the Bible to interpret, which makes it very easy to misinterpret. And while I do agree with your assessment of those who become apostates, I do not think it has anything to do with apostasy.
@@2001BornAgain
Do you believe that someone who once claimed to be a Christian then later completely departed from the faith can still be saved? Just curious…
I think I did. I have a demon. Shipwrecked my faith I feel dead inside
Well I thought you were heading in the right direction but contradicted yourself. No worries. Calvinists often do. Christians should have anxiety when it comes to abandoning their faith in Christ. We are called to live our lives in holy obedience. For those of you Christians who are worried and have anxiety, why? Why are you so afraid? Is it because you love your sin so much that you want to hold on to the idea that no matter how often you sin you have that smidge of hope that you are still saved? Anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ as Lord should fear for their salvation all their lives. This is a healthy and godly fear. 1 Peter 4:18 "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" It's hard for the "righteous" to go through this life in holy obedience, absolutely it is. That's why after accepting Christ's atoning work on the cross it's a life of resisting sin to the point of shedding your blood (Hebrews 12:4). Hebrews 6 is about forfeiting or abandoning the faith. Don't do it and you'll be fine. The word apostate was created for a reason. Study this word in-depth and you'll have understanding of what I just wrote. Blessings!
The letter Hebrews should not be a part of the NT. It does not teach like the words of Jesus in the 4 gospel or like Pauls letters. And nobody know who wrote it. It is unworthy.
Interesting. Does it contradict what you believe about their teachings?
You are incorrect on this. There are numerous scriptures that teach a Christian CAN lose his salvation. For example, Galatians 5:4. Paul told the brethren there that they had fallen from grace because they wanted to be justified by the old law. Why would Paul warn them about something that could not happen.....he wouldn't! I would recommend you study this and other passages to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Throughout Galatians, Paul refers to the recipients of his letter as "brothers." That alone is enough to indicate that 4:5 is not a reference to apostate Christians.
@@ConnectCalgary Not correct. Can a non-Christian fall from grace and lose his salvation? NO. He never had it to lose in the first place
Hebrews 6:4-6 is not an obscure passage, it is very clear what is being said there, it is obscure to you because you want to hold onto your incorrect teaching that a born again beleiver cannot lose thier salvation, most likely because you are continuing to live in sin and want to make your conscious feel it is safe to do so. Paul teaches if a born again Christian lives after their flesh, instead of repenting and instead walking in the Holy Spirit so they do not fulfill the lusts of their flesh, they will die. Those believers who continue to do the works of the flesh listed in Galatians 5 will not inherrit the kingdom of God it says. Paul wrote these things to beleivers, not to unbelievers. If you walk in the Holy Spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of your flesh you will not have to worry about losing your salvation. If you are going to continue to live in sin after you are saved then yes you should worry. If you want to be secure in your salvation do 2Peter 1:5-12, daily, and you will never fall.
Keep that energy, Mike. It really helps those of us who are in Christ to see who you are. 🫡
I agree. The more I study scripture, the more I see that “Once saved, always saved” appears to be a belief created by those who are more comfortable carrying a false sense of security and pushing it on others, than really looking at whether or not they’re truly becoming a new creation in Him. But scripture is clear that if we choose to continue to practice sin, we will be cut off and thrown into the fire. I have really struggled with this reality in the past couple years because I know that I have not always lived the way I should have, as a believer in Christ. But all I can do now is repent, take my faith and what it means more serious, and truly surrender everything in my life to Him. It isn’t faith vs works like people try to argue. It’s faith that brings about such surrender that we are no longer slaves to sin, but now slaves to Christ. We aren’t warned repeatedly to be careful not to be fooled or fall away because it couldn’t happen. We are warned because it’s likely to happen if we are not aware of the wiles of the devil. He’s tricky and the falling away happens little by little, piece by piece, and we might not even realize it, if we are not “sober and diligent.” Praying for all. Blessings.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life John 3:16 Anyone who says you can lose your Salvation is calling JESUS a liar!
You are or are not. He who started a good work in you will see it through.
There are two points to be made. One, this verse is talking about a Jewish Christian who goes back to the law to avoid persecution. What the writer is saying is that if you are going back to the law you cannot comeback to Jesus at the same time. Because in going back to the law you put Him back on the cross (in your heart) so how can you then, from your heart, believe He is your Lord? It is impossible. It is like saying if you are going south it is impossible to go north. But it was possible for these people to actually repent of going back to the law and come back to Jesus. And Jesus would welcome them back. You just can't have the law AND Jesus.
The other point is that you most certainly can lose your salvation if you go back to a lifestyle of sin or reject Him like the Hebrews example described above. the Bible is very clear on this in multiple places. I understand all the OSAS verses but they are like someone going to a doctor for a bad heart condition and the doctor saying "take this pill and you will live" so guy takes it and then jumps off the Empire State Building thinking "Well, I took the pill so I will live'.
Hebrews is written to kingdom of heaven program jews during the tribulation. James is written to the 12 tribes scattered abroad per James 1:1. Both these books are kingdom of heaven program faith plus works. The jews sins aren’t even blotted out yet until after the tribulation per Acts 3:19-21. There isn’t any difference in jew or gentile today but Heb-Rev comes after the body of Christ is gone. This is bible 101. Modern religion 101 says Hebrews and James are written to the body. Since their opposite from our apostle Pauls epistles for the body there is no choice for modern religion to twist one side or the other. This leads to one day someone unsaved lying on their deathbed wondering if they did enough to be saved. The two programs never did and never will mix.
"IT IS FINISHED!" - JESUS 🙏✝️❤️
[GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH]
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[BOASTING EXCLUDED]
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW]."
~ Romans 3:21-28
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, [YOU WILL BE SAVED]. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
~ Romans 10:9-10
For “[WHOEVER] calls on the name of the LORD [SHALL BE SAVED].”
~ Romans 10:13
"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, [YOU WERE SEALED] with the Holy Spirit of promise, [WHO IS THE GUARANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE] until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
~ Ephesians 1:13-14
"For [BY GRACE] you have been saved [THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES]; it is the gift of God, [NOT OF WORKS], lest anyone should boast."
~ Ephesians 2:8-9
"He saved us, [NOT BY THE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS WE HAD DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY], through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
~ Titus 3:5
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, [HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES, HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS] that was against us, which was contrary to us. [AND HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS]."
~ Colossians 2:13-14
"I have been crucified with Christ; [IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME]; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [I DO NOT SET ASIDE THE GRACE OF GOD; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN].”
~ Galatians 2:20-21
"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-[UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN]. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES], and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."
~ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, [THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“[HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED]; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
~ John 3:16-18
"[AND I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH]; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; [AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HAND]. I and My Father are one.”
~ John 10:28-30
You forgot Matt.3:7-8 “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance…. Oh and how about vs10 “Therefore every tree which does not bear fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” I worry about folks like you who seem to know all the promises and ignore all the warnings and threats. So let me tell you something, God will fulfill all his promises AND he will also make good on his threats. God is through and through good, but you don’t want to mess with him. Heed the warnings, they are for our good.
Nah the Bible actually says you can fall away. Bible makes this clear.
Ok, back to the good and old answer: "he didn't lose his salvation, he was never saved." It's like in a case of a divorce I'll say: "that has to be because he never loved his wife"
Why is so hard to understand that one could have loved his wife deeply and one day, for some reason have decided to walk away from her? Pllus, that passage describes very well a once saved person. No way around it.
Have you ever lost your salvation?
@@jammer4578 I know where you coming from, brother, Imagine a good man received Jesus in his heart, he gets baptized in water and live a genuine christian life loving and having faith in Jesus. Can anyone deny he is saved? At old age along the way he gets very bad influenced by some friends and starts drinking too much, spends too much time in strip clubs, do drugs, steals ,rejects Jesus and finally becomes a satanist. Is he saved in the end? My Bible says no . "but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." Mathew 24:13. "21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again." Romans 11. Branches can be cut off and grafted in. I don't believe the old answer "He didn't lose his salvation, he was never saved in the first place " is a good enough answer, it's a bit more complex than that. I believe in the middle ground, I am saved by grace and indeed it's a gift from God and I can never lose it as long as I persevere. Prodigal son would still be a son but if he didn't return to his father he would have lost his inheritance.
It is a saved person being described. When we get saved we still have our free will to remain faithful or to walk away. Salvation is for the one who endures until the end. God does his part it is up to us to do our part by repenting o f our sins and believing. We can't be couch potatoes and neglect so great a salvation and take it for granted.
your analogy is faulty: it's God that does the preserving of the believer through continued faith
@@MarkLacerdaI agree! Why does no one teach this?!
Please help me I rejected God a few times after I (maybe mistakenly) thought I was saved. A recent health scare made me realize how much I need God and I want so much to be able to repent and feel Jesus again. I know Hebrews 6 and am beyond terrified of hell. I am not sure of osas because the Bible says you can walk away from God on your own and then you can never repent. I'm not sureif I feel real repentance or just fear of judgment. I have been begging Jesus to find something in my heart that he can use to get back to him
Where does the Holy Spirit go? Seeing he never leaves you. Look what Jesus said, I cast out none, I lose none. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Is Jesus a liar? No.
Look at what Jesus did to help us, John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Notice in verse 16 Jesus said the Holy Spirit will abide IN US forever.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Paul says, Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. God never leaves his children. Salvation is of the Lord, not man.
So much for childlike faith, i guess Jesus meant something else , and my yoke is easy and my burden is light must have been a mistake also , its amazing how complicated man has made the simplicity of the gospel . Now its you have to be a biblical scholar with PhD in theology , pretty amazing that the Bible didn't even exist when Jesus and the apostles walked the earth , but hey who am i but a carpenter that reads the Bible and asks the Holy Spirit to teach and guide me instead of man 🤔
OSAS - truth or lie. Try reading every direct passage and parable from the 4 Gospels. Unconditional security is not at all supported by those gospel passages, and being such is the case, every ambiguous verse in the rest of the NT is to be read through the template established in those gospel passages. That is why they are there. Don't believe anybody telling you what the Bible says. Read it yourself and ask that the Holy Spirit would guide your understanding.
Don't believe this guy, and don't even believe me. Search it for yourself. I don't care that this guy is a pastor (all the more reason that he should be more careful about his teachings for he will have to answer even more than we). But ask yourself:
- why was the debt put back on the 'unforgiving servant' and then cast into prison Matt.18:21-35
- why was the evil servant of the 'good and evil servant parable' cut in two for his evil living and thrown into the darkness with the hypocrites Matt.24:45-51
- why can we be cast off as fruitless branches from Jesus the vine. John 15:1-8
- why if we don't utilize the Spirit's help to put to death the deeds of the body, can 'believers' end up in hell. (How can our salvation be 'locked-in' with such conditions of personal choice) Rom.8:12/13
- why if we don't get sin out of our lives (not just try - not just feel bad and keep asking for forgiveness over and over) will we end up in hell's fire. Matt.18:8-9
- why if we don't put Jesus ahead of even our own families can we not be His disciples. Matt.10:37-39
- why if we don't abide, endure to the end, obey, keep His commandments, follow His teachings...will we not receive our inheritance in Him???????????????
OSAS? Hell's pit could not have come up with a better deception! (Even though that is exactly where it came from). Don't follow false teachings; what you do after that prayer/confession of faith matters a great deal. According to scripture, you CAN lose your salvation (what happened to the hypothetical man in James 5:19/20?). If you are repeatedly sinning the same sin, you are practicing/living a sinful life. No one would agree that anyone living such a life is going to make it to heaven (except maybe mislead Calvins). Some will say that those doing so were never saved to begin with because a true Christian wouldn't do that. Really? Then there must be a whole lot fewer 'saved Christians' than we think there are.
And that may be the case! But if you are a Christian 'practicing' sin, then stop - not do it less - STOP. The Holy Spirit is there to help you, but don't deceive yourself into thinking that your sinful lifestyle doesn't matter to your salvation just because you said a one-time prayer of belief. If you're 'saved' and into drinking, porn or any other addiction, why bother doing anything about the short life you live here if it doesn't matter to your eternal salvation? I would love to get back into some old sins - a part of me really enjoyed them. What a monstrous lie to say that doing so can never mean losing my salvation. And if you think that a Christian could never do such sinning, then you are poorly in bible knowledge. The 1 Cor.5:1 man was involved in horrific adultery, yet he was a Christian. He was turned over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his soul might be saved in his end day. Don't tell me that sin doesn't matter - it matters a lot.
I wish I had realized these things younger, instead of believing false doctrines. I have so much pain over the way I had lived my life prior to studying His Word for myself. I know that I sinned at times believing God understands that I’m weak and will forgive me. But scripture says He wants to empower me to overcome, not simply continue forgiving me while I live in disobedience. I’m thankful for His patience and forgiveness, but I also know my life and testimony could look very different, had I focused on maturing in Him and learning His Word. I’ve had access to it all my life but was more interested in the things of this world and my relationships with people. Well, when it ALL failed me is when I realized how I have failed Him, all the adultery I’ve committed against him, all the idolatry, and I’ve questioned whether or not I’m even His. It’s caused a great deal of pain and depression. But I have come to the point of recognizing that no amount of tears will change the past, but I can surrender all that I am every single day for the rest of my life and hopefully stay attached to the Vine. My love for Him is sincere, and I pray others see the need for holiness. The destruction in my life feels beyond repair, but I just pray my soul is not, and that the Lord would cleanse me and truly make me a new creation for His glory.
@@JJCifuentes-oo9xe Amen brother
I don't see how people can continue to delude themselves about the bible...
14 of the best books were left out of the Bible for a reason...
That's censorship....
Who had the kind of power?
The Pope...
The Roman Emporers....
There is NOTHING unclear about what Hebrews 6:4-6 is saying. It is crystal clear. The ONLY reason why those verses seem unclear to people is because of the promises regarding salvation. The problem is that people are not harmonizing the two. People are giving a promise of everlasting life IF they remain faithful to Christ. A man gives a promise to a woman to marry her and take care of her when they get engaged but the promise is contingent upon her remaining faithful to him during their engagement period. If she sleeps with someone during that time period then there will be no wedding. This whole video is a prime example of someone going out of their way to explain away what the verse is plainly stating.
Thousands of years worth of differing interpretations on this passage (much of it vehement in nature) disagree with you about what the text “clearly says.” 🤷♂️
You are EXACTLY right. Once saved always saved is not biblical.
@@danielsweaza3770 No, it hasn't been thousands of years. If you read the text at face value there is nothing confusing about it. It only becomes confusing because of OSAS. The earliest christian after the apostles were not confused about this even if one or two disagreed.
Actually the problem isn’t that they aren’t remaining faithful. Like this man said once saved always saved. Why? Because born again is always born again. Can a child stop being the child of their parents? No disowning doesn’t make it any less true that they are their parents. They will always be their parents (I’m speaking of biological parents).
The key word in Hebrews 6:4-6 is the word IMPOSSIBLE. Paul, or whoever wrote this, was saying that it was IMPOSSIBLE for someone born again to do this.
Now how does someone become born again and what exactly does it mean to be born again? And why do you have to be born again?
I’ll give an example of a frog. A frog could be sorry all day that it’s a frog. But after apologising to GOD for his frog ways and confessing all of his frog ways, at the end of it he’d still be a frog.
In the same way sinners can’t help but be a sinner because they were born that way.
So GOD in His Infinite Wisdom provided a way to become not a sinner, to be BORN AGAIN.
What am I saying? A sinner isn’t just a sinner because they commit sins. They are a sinner because they truly were born that way.
That is why Yehoshua HAMaSHIACH told Nicodemus in John 3:5-7 that he MUST be born again in order to enter His, ( Yehoshua’s) heavenly kingdom.
Every person born into this world was born with a nature to sin, they can’t help it. It’s written in their very dna code to sin. They really and truly CAN NOT be anything else but a sinner. So the only way to not be a sinner is to be BORN AGAIN.
Now how does one become born again? What does the Bible say?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Yehoshua HaMaShiach for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
Some people say they have repented of their sins, but to truly repent you have to stop doing it. Like the example I gave you. That frog will always be a frog no matter how much he tries to turn away from it because he really and truly was born that way. That frog can never stop being a frog, a sinner can never stop being a sinner unless they are born again with no sin in their genetics. So you can apologize profusely to Yehoshua and try to stop doing sin with your body but unless you can replace your dna with a sinless one you’ll always be a sinner.
There’s good news though, there’s only One Being Who can change your genetics and you’d still be you and you’d now be sinLESS and that is The True And Living GOD Yehoshua HaMaShiach.
So what do you do to become born again. First you repent. Now what? The scripture I quoted above says you need to be baptized in The Name of Yehoshua HaMaShiach (Jesus Christ’s original Hebrew Name). Once you have been baptized this was you being born again of the water as Yehoshua commanded in John 3:5.
Some people will tell you that baptism doesn’t save you. Well besides Yehoshua HIMSELF saying we need to be born AGAIN of the water and He being our Perfect Example got baptized Himself (Matthew 3:13-16), ( obviously not speaking of water from our natural birth from our mothers because He said we need to be born AGAIN as in a second time), the Bible says plainly that baptism does save us:
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us …”
1 Peter 3:21
Now what? Yehoshua also said in that same scripture that you must also be born again of the Spirit. That happens once you receive The Gift of The Holy Ghost as was told in Acts 2:38.
Now how will you know that you have been born again of the Spirit(aka received The Holy Ghost)? The same way the Jews who came with Peter to the house of Cornelius did when Cornelius and his house received The Holy Ghost:
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues...”
Acts 10:44-46
This is how you’ll know that you have been born again of the Spirit and are now officially a member of the Kingdom of Heaven.
You will now no longer be a sinner from birth but a saved born again Christian.
Beyt HaShem Ha Yehoshua HAMaSHIACH, (in the Name of Jesus Christ in original Hebrew), I pray that I said this in a way that all who read it will understand this and prayerfully also become truly born again and a true citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven Beyt HaShem Ha Yehoshua HaMaShiach I pray Amen.
@@helenweyand9880 can you stop yourself from being the child of your parents?
Heb 6:4-6 is NOT an unclear or confusing passage! You are 100% wrong that a person cannot "give back" his salvation. No, sin does not take away our salvation (because John clearly tells us that we Christians are all still sinners), but the willful turning of our backs on Jesus does. How can you "bring back" something that was not "there" in the first place? You are confused, not the writer of Hebrews. Open you eyes and see the truth!
It's called the reprobate doctrine. They weren't saved to begin with.
Lack of understanding the scriptures means doctrines of demons. Stand alone verses brings confusion, 2 Tim.2:15; 2 Pet.1:20,21.
Also, Satan wants you wrapped up in your sin. He does not want you walking in victory. You see, Christ took all your sin to cross , he does not have to jump back up there every time we sin. We also know that we, every one, will don as long as we are in these bodies, it is fact. It is our charge to go day two weeks etc without walking in his footsteps. But don't get down when you do, that is Satan. We confess and repent to shed all guilt and crap Satan piles on our minds and spirit. Don't let him. Jesus took all your sin, get it, all. That means future too. So stop getting wrapped up about sin. One last thing, understand what sin really is, it is anything outside the will of God in your life. Hmmm, think on that one. I for one am glad ,Jesus stands before the father and cast my sin away. Honestly my mansion may not be as big as others but I won't let the evil one bog me down about sin. It's not about sinning, it is about the journey to not do it.
I think the truth in this verse is that it’s impossible for unbelievers to have tasted Gods light and truth, who have rejected it to return. The key here is rejection and fall away. I have found many people who have accepted the gospel as true, see the works of god in gods life and maybe in theirs but always fail to give reverence to and fear. They think themselves higher than god’s sovereignty. They almost lack the humility to ever be able to surrender their life to Christ. Now if this truth holds the same for a believer. I believe a believer can fall off track, have doubts, and fall. But to fall away and reject is to say ya never fully gave your life up in the first place. It’s impossible to reject something you gave your entire life to. You can’t reject something you have committed to following. You either make that decision to surrender and sacrificed your life to god as Jesus did or you don’t. There is no middle ground. That is clearly a black and white topic. Trust is trust. It’s like people in relationships.. usually in divorce.. especially people who were happy in dating phases, got married out of happiness, not trust. and then when their were obstacles to face, usually the one party gives up(stop trusting) because there is difficulty in marriage now, and a setback. Well you never trusted that person in the first place if when bad things start to happen, you lose faith, stop working for marriage and reject the relationship. You can either trust god or not.. god will never break your trust. You don’t receive salvation through gods enlightenment and happiness. You receive it by dying unto the self. But sacrificing yourself as Jesus did. It’s hard to fall away after giving up life because there’s no life to go back to, ya gave it up, you put to death. You killed it so to speak. You didn’t keep it alive in certain areas.. that’s why the verses before talked about maturing and not just basking in the kindergarten stuff. God calls us to sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice! To die unto self daily!! To make sure we have come completely committed to him. Some people may carry their cross to the hill, put it up, and look at it. But they never put themselves on it, they never nail themselves to it and die. Until you die on that cross, you have not received salvation in my opinion. Now I know Jesus does for us. And he is the way.. what I’m saying here is. People don’t die to Jesus. To die to Jesus is to believe he died. You can entertain and accept Jesus did what he did. But some never come to believe he did what he did for them. They don’t come to believe Jesus did die for me. Believing what Christ did is giving your life up. That is what being “born again” is all about. You are a new creature, but you can’t be a new creature if the old one hasn’t died yet. Now it’s a journey and lifelong process to accept the new identity, and allowing Jesus to cleanse us, but there is a moment in a real believers life where they gave up their life.. they usually remember the very day and date. You know when you became a new creature. There are people who have taught ministry and have believed in truth of Christ, gone to church all their lives, maybe got saved when they were 7 at some camp, but never gave their life to lord. They just followed the gifts and stayed around the light. Something to think about.you don’t receive salvation and are a new creature of you are only partaking of milk, that is only partial credit to Jesus’s sacrifice. Be a new creature! Die to Jesus! Believe in Jesus! Live for Jesus! Prepare a new life to get to know Jesus through everything in life. He is your new identity!
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You're so wrong! Even the Apostle Paul stated of himself that if he didn't keep his body "under" (meaning his flesh crucified and buried) that even he, would be a castaway. Why? Because the dead and buried don't sin! In fact, there are TON'S of scripture that refute the blasphemous teaching/doctrine of "once saved always saved". So stop it already.
WRONG. Once Saved Always Saved is the Biblical truth.
"IT IS FINISHED!" - JESUS 🙏✝️❤️
[GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH]
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[BOASTING EXCLUDED]
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW]."
~ Romans 3:21-28
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, [YOU WILL BE SAVED]. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
~ Romans 10:9-10
For “[WHOEVER] calls on the name of the LORD [SHALL BE SAVED].”
~ Romans 10:13
"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, [YOU WERE SEALED] with the Holy Spirit of promise, [WHO IS THE GUARANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE] until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
~ Ephesians 1:13-14
"For [BY GRACE] you have been saved [THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES]; it is the gift of God, [NOT OF WORKS], lest anyone should boast."
~ Ephesians 2:8-9
"He saved us, [NOT BY THE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS WE HAD DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY], through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
~ Titus 3:5
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, [HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES, HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS] that was against us, which was contrary to us. [AND HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS]."
~ Colossians 2:13-14
"I have been crucified with Christ; [IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME]; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [I DO NOT SET ASIDE THE GRACE OF GOD; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN].”
~ Galatians 2:20-21
"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-[UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN]. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES], and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."
~ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, [THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“[HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED]; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
~ John 3:16-18
"[AND I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH]; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; [AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HAND]. I and My Father are one.”
~ John 10:28-30
Peter says. A dog return to its vomit. These are "Christians" only by name. Not followers of Christ. Repentance is a gift from God. God predistined by His foreknowledge who His Elect are and they will endure to the end. God will make sure of it. So is once saved always saved true?......yes and no as long as you know that saving is a process (not past tense)...let him that have an ear hear??!
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Judas repented.threw the money back at them.
Then hanged himself
Obviously his repentance
Didnt work!
Certainly Judas experienced regret. But regret and repentance are not necessarily the same thing.
Maybe repentance is a gift of God only bestowed on the elect!
So where does it say he isn’t not in heaven
You are just wrong about Christians losing salvation.
Jesus clearly taught we could walk away from our salvation in the parable of the prodigal son.
The son lost his inheritance (eternal life) after he received it.
Only by returning to the father and asking forgiveness was he restored by the father's grace, despite being clearly unworthy.
Had he not repented again, he would have died in his sins with no inheritance.
Crystal clear teaching.
1 John says if we (as Christians) are faithful to confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive them. Logically, if we are not faithful, neither is God.
Also at the end of the Lords prayer Jesus said if we refuse to forgive others theirs sins against us, neither will God forgive our sins against him. Since Christians are capable of unforgiveness, this means we are capable of making God not forgive us.
All 3 of these are crystal clear. Nothing external to our own stubbornness can cause us to lose salvation. But our refusal to confess sin, repent, or forgive others is not external to us. And God clearly says repeatedly it separates us from him.
Remember folks Hebrews is written to unbelievers.
That's certainly a novel interpretation! It seems based on the author's words that the book is clearly written to believers:
"In the past God spoke to *our* forefathers... but in these days he has spoken to *us* by his son." (1:1-2)
"We must pay careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that *we do not drift away*." (2:1)
"Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest *whom we confess*." (3:1)
That verse is about how far God will go to save us. What more can God give? Jesus on the cross does not become ineffective. However, our consciences may become irreparably marred/seared.
False.
@@corrysmith Really? They were given every opportunity to turn to God and they did not. God is not petulant. The scripture clearly says how God patiently waits for sinners' repentance. He makes a show of his will to reconcile mankind to himself and they do not.
This verse isn't about unsaved sinners refusing to come to Christ.
This verse is about Christian's partaking in sin willfully and thereby rebelling against God willfully and thereby rejecting God's salvation and thereby returning to their sin like a dog returning to vomit.
@@corrysmith * This verse isn't about unsaved sinners * That verse is about both because neither including you, has yet entered into his rest. Hold fast unwavering the profession of your faith.
@@thundershadow False. This verse is about Christian's who sin willfully after having tasted the Heavenly gift being impossible to bring them to repentance. You're fooling yourself and anyone else who believes you and you will be held accountable for their folly.
My view of Hebrews Chapter 6. It is truth that it is impossible for a believer to lose their salvation. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit to the Day of Redemption, the day He carries us home. (This is the gospel truth of your salvation as Ephesians 1:13 clearly states.) With that said, let's proceed. "Concerning Him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing." Hebrews 5:11 (What God is conveying in Hebrews Chapter 6.) Verse 13 describes how some Christians partake only of milk. They are not accustomed to the word, "righteousness." The righteousness of God is in Christ, not I. Therefore, lets press on to maturity is the context ot the entire Chapter of Hebrews 6. Verse 4 and 5 is speaking of a Christian. I do not see how one could arrive at any other conclusion. Enlightened: See Hebrews 10:32. You have "tasted" the "heavenly gift" and have been made a "partaker" of the Holy Spirit. Tasted: Does not refer to just tested. Jesus tasted of death in Hebrews 2:9. He actually experienced death on the cross. Heavenly gift: Each believer is given the free gift of eternal life. It is eternal, not temporal. Jesus' gifts and calling are irrevocable. Romans 11:29. Partaker: A Christian is a partaker of the Holy Spirit who will never leave you. The Holy Spirit resides in you and will be with you forever. If verse 6 is saying you can lose your salvation, it is also saying you can never get it back. We need not crucify Jesus again. He finished it all for us on the cross. He did it right the first time. I believe verse 6 is instead, referring back to Hebrews 6:1 where it says not laying again a foundation of repentance, the type repentance that led you to be saved in the first place, faith toward God. This is the repentance you cannot be renewed in. (2 Cor 7:9,10) Know that God wants His people to repent. Therefore, repentance here in Hebrews 6:6 means you cannot be renewed to the "salvation experience" since it is impossible to lose it. Remember, always go back to the basic truth, the elementary teaching about your salvation. "In Him, after listening to the truth, the gospel of your salvation, having believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. (Ephesians 1:13) The seal upon you is irrevocable. It cannot be broken by you or any power to come. "For God is not so unjust to forget the love you have shown toward His Name." (Hebrews 6:10) "We desire that each of you show the same diligence so as to recognize the full assurance of hope (Assurance in Christ) to the end." Hebrews 6:11. Context is everything. The entire Chapter of Hebrews 6 is about having faith in God and not in ourselves. It is about moving on to the upward high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Hebrews 6:1 says it best: "Let us press on to maturity." (From milk to meat.) Jesus is our anchor. In Him I will trust. Hope this helps.
Thank you. I came seeking answers, and I think I found them through your comment. I “invited Jesus” into my heart as a child and have always wanted to follow Him, but at times I’ve let my flesh lead instead of His voice, which took me to some grotesquely sinful places. I’ve thought about getting rebaptized and even did once, before entering into even worse sin. In the past couple years, I’ve been studying scripture more, and these verses in Hebrews have nearly paralyzed me with fear, thinking I have no chance of salvation now, having spit on the sacrifice that was made for me. My heart is broken over my sin, and every day of my life is filled with fear of death and judgement day.
Hebrews 6:4-6 is about intentional willful sin and it's dangers. You cannot sacrifice for yourself again the Son of God putting him to open shame because Jesus will not come back to Earth and be sacrificed again because you refuse to obey His commandments. Willful sin after salvation returns you to your old self as a dog returns to it's vomit.
Christian can put their salvation in jeopardy. The book of revelation talks about lukewarms christians that if they don't repent Jesus will spit them out of His mouth .
"IT IS FINISHED!" - JESUS 🙏✝️❤️
[GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH]
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[BOASTING EXCLUDED]
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW]."
~ Romans 3:21-28
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, [YOU WILL BE SAVED]. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
~ Romans 10:9-10
For “[WHOEVER] calls on the name of the LORD [SHALL BE SAVED].”
~ Romans 10:13
"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, [YOU WERE SEALED] with the Holy Spirit of promise, [WHO IS THE GUARANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE] until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
~ Ephesians 1:13-14
"For [BY GRACE] you have been saved [THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES]; it is the gift of God, [NOT OF WORKS], lest anyone should boast."
~ Ephesians 2:8-9
"He saved us, [NOT BY THE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS WE HAD DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY], through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
~ Titus 3:5
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, [HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES, HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS] that was against us, which was contrary to us. [AND HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS]."
~ Colossians 2:13-14
"I have been crucified with Christ; [IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME]; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [I DO NOT SET ASIDE THE GRACE OF GOD; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN].”
~ Galatians 2:20-21
"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-[UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN]. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES], and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."
~ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, [THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“[HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED]; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
~ John 3:16-18
"[AND I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH]; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; [AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HAND]. I and My Father are one.”
~ John 10:28-30
Amen❤....Jesus paid ALL....or he paid nothing...why would Jesus suffer a horrific death, only to pay for some sin?! How would we beable to measure if our sin was enough or not to keep us saved?! If u deny Christ, u were never saved to begin with....u didnt put your full heart and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin to begin with! Nailing Jesus to the cross over and over shows u rely on yourself whether your saved or not, not Jesus, for the remission of your sin...pretty simple
The bible does not teach once saved always saved. That is false doctrine. You must endure to the end. The promise is sure, we can be certain of the promise, on gods end, not ours
I believe the writer of Hebrews is definitely talking to saved believers.....So if we go back to the beginning of Hebrews Chapter 6 the author tells us exactly what they are talking about.....
Hebrews 6:1-3 "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us press onto maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits."
So right there in Hebrews 6:1 we are told what the topic is; Pressing onto maturity... So Hebrews 6 is not even talking about salvation or one losing salvation; its talking about getting already saved Christians to grow up and obey God. And this is confirmed if we continue to read in Hebrews 6:7-8
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Notice in verse 8 it says it is rejected and near to being cursed; not actually cursed......and verse 12 below the author hopes that by growing up the saved Christian will inherit all God has promised them. So what he is saying in Hebrews 6:4 is that if Christians refuse to grow up; eventually it becomes impossible to get them to repent and mature...and we see that all the time with Christians who simply refuse to grow up and take the Christian life seriously.....and as a result many put Jesus to an open shame.
False interpretation. This verse is a warning of losing salvation.
@@corrysmith OH OK!! I'll choose to believe Jesus Christ rather than you....John 10:28 "I give them eternal life and they will never perish; noone can snatch them out of My hand." And we will find out soon enough who the false teacher is....:)
@@timclark2925 Why do you say you trust Jesus over me? I didn't write the Bible.
I didn't write Hebrews 10:26-31 or Hebrews 6:4-6 or Ephesians 5:3-7 or 2 Peter 2:20-22.
It is not me but God's word which says you who are saved and wilfully turn away from God and return to sin will have your part in the fiery judgement which awaits the wicked.
@@corrysmith Its because YOU have misunderstood every single verse that you have listed......if you just READ Hebrews 6:1-3 it tells you what the topic is: Its about saved Christians growing up to maturity....its NOT about Christians losing salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God! What part of free gift do you not quite understand? If someone gives you something for free you don't have to work for it....if you did it would not be a free gift. As far as 2 Peter those people are referred to as dogs and pigs.....Saved Christians are never referred to as dogs or pigs in the Bible. Truly saved Christians are called sheep. You don't understand much I can see.....
@@corrysmith Ephesians 5 says Christians can forfeit their inheritance....INHERITANCE; NOT SALVATION! Christians can forfeit their inheritance in the Kingdom of God; but not their salvation. Thats where alot of people like yourself, mess up the Bible....If your father doesnt give you an inheritance; are you still His son? YES!
Could it also mean that after we pass and are standing in judgment we can't just be like "oh wait! I claim the salvation of Jesus". Like we already knew who he was but didn't accept him as lord and savior when we experienced him while still on earth?
What a big lie. You cannot be saved and always be saved. You can lose your salvation. Many Christians lose their salvation by Disobedience and backsliding into the world.
The falsehood is that Romans 8 says that you cannot renounce your faith. Nowhere is that stated or implied. Using a false belief to ground this interpretation negates your entire point. Hebrews 6 clearly references apostasy. You can lose and renounce your genuine and saving faith. Romans 8 states that no one else can take it from you.
Calvinism is heresy.
Those he predestined he called he justified he glorified.
שיחקת אותה
Thank You Lord Jesus For Saving a disgusting sinner like me! Thank You Lord Jesus! Thank You! John 3:16
James 3:1