Joe is only partially right. More established artists should be more active BUT... the majority of the blame for the system goes to some of the gatekeepers that Joe has been notoriously making excuses for over the past several years. Iovine, Diddy & yes, even Jay (just to name a few). They have real power to stop the system of exploitation but Joe often makes excuses for them. When these issues come up because he, just like the artists he's criticizing is worried about upsetting his political connects. Lets also realize that Joe is putting the majority of the responsibility on Black/hip-hop leaning artists. Country, Pop, Rock, etc have immense political clout as well. Ariana, Taylor, Ed Sheeran,Beiber, Coldplay? What about them? Artists like Drake & Future should be more vocal. Of course! But leave it to to Joe miss the mark and blame Hip Hop while also always giving a pass to the executives and the genres with the MOST power! Joe is having a very necessary conversation. But until all are held accountable, there's really no point.
(1) your post is an emotional one, which overrides whatever logic you were attempting to use. (2) bringing up ed sheeran and other genres of music is a “whataboutism” argument - and a lazy one at that.
@ObiAmajoyiSrMD 🤣 you've got to be one of the most ignorant mfs whose ever used shown up in a comment section. Lol.. If you know anything about Labor movements and organization, you'd know that traction doesn't move forward without the powerplayers of an industry, regardless of their sector/division are the greatest agents of change. Furthermore, perhaps you have a problem with comprehension. Because even if you wanted to just limit this to a genre based fight, I specifically also mentioned that Joe routinely makes excuses for power brokers in hip-hop who have been accused of similar exploitation; like Puff, Tim & Iovine
A dude who refused to show his former co-hosts the accounting having this conversation is WILD 🤣 Homie literally became the exact person that he's criticizing the moment he got power
Big facts now all industry joe care about is his wack designer fits and looney toons teeth 🦷 he don’t care about creators anymore has not done a rant for creators since R&M left that how you know he was fake
Jay literally came up with a rival streaming service with higher payouts to artists and better quality sound and I remember people very vocally stating they were sticking with Apple/Spotify because of convenience. Artists took the big bag instead of making a stand. Those actors and writers are playing the long game and setting shit up for the future of their industry. Most big time musicians look at themselves as a lone entity/brand so its unlikely they care about where music is headed. Shit you see most of them are selling off their catalogs and getting out the game altogether.
He didn't come up with nothing. He marketed it. Some European dudes built it. He just bought into it and did what he always does, oversell his impact and take credit for other people shyt
@blackmcbain3145 So because he bought the company he doesn't deserve credit for the idea of a better payout and treatment of artist? My only point was that we complain about people in power not getting involved and when one did and gave a better alternative for artists we (me included at that time) didn't support.
@@lsmalls86 lol where are y’all getting this bought shit from he only owns 20 % and the white owners of square is 80 % how tf you gone say something is ours and we don’t even own it y’all speak and legit don’t never have the facts correct he lied he doesn’t help he associates himself to a lot of shit so no we don’t support that nigga because it’s not his shit
I literally came to the comments looking for someone to state this. I feel like he intentionally didnt mention her bc shes is the ONE artist that I automatically think of during these kinds of conversations.
Ish is saying they don’t have a choice….but they do per Joe’s word. The actors and writers have done the job of forming a union, always paying attention to the information, and standing together when needed. Musicians “have the choice” to do that.
This is mainly because as black people we are extremely short sided and selfish with each other. We love to use the term “competitiveness” or “competition” to justify some of our unwelcoming behavior. Especially us NY dudes. There’s absolutely no reason the rap game should be this far behind when it comes to music ownership. We have billionaires in the game who just keep repeating the cycle that they went through. It’s lame af. We have zero understanding of our fiscal power.
Ya'll gotta stop blaming Black people for the same ish white people do. These Pop and country mfs have waaaaaaay more political power and leverage than Hip hop artists. And guess what? The white pop & country artists are even more afraid to challenge the status quo than Black artists are. They sign the same terrible contracts and you don't exactly see them on the front line either. The system needs to be revolutionized, but can we first stop blaming Black people as if white people aren't just as short sided and afraid as we are?
As a union organizer, I’d be interested to know what it would take to organize musicians. I really don’t fuck with the OGs who go through the bullshit then turn around and put younger artists through that same machine. Diddy and the likes are too thirsty to be a billionaire to stand in solidarity with up and coming artists. As cynical as I am, I know you can make it happen starting with the artists who want to see change. People will follow if they see others standing up and if the majority is being screwed over then that gives reasons for them to join together.
@@jamesadvincola9687 better than the queen better than treach who was mainly a producer redman is number one lauryn is the greatest female rapper but not better than joe u saying this let’s me kno you’ve never listened to his music
I’ve only seen them joke around on this show. As a up and coming artists myself, it was refreshing to hear them touch on a serious topic like higher wedges for artists as well. Might start watching this more…
Joe constantly reminds everybody why his music career never reached the heights that it was supposed to. Always talking never enough rapping, podcast really is his lane because he can just be a diva ALL DAY. 😂😂
Love this podcast….grown folks talking real shit …these are the conversations more hip hop icons need to have … educate the ones coming instead of competing with youngins so they make the same mistakes
I think in the rap industry the weakness is the competition of business between rappers. If you want better deals for yourself and other artists Guys who are established need to build brand new labels with other artist Who are experienced in the game. Change the script on contracts . Band together to make music outlets either pay or take your music off of there platforms and reconstruct what an artist gets. This also goes for ghost writers. No more ghost writers. Everybody who is apart of the build of a song gets a cut and writers credit. There are lyrical geniuses and then there are people who are star quality . Not really great rappers but like an actor they have star power The labels in power now You have to put them out of business. You need people who care more about the culture than the money and build there success off others success Get out of the rap beef game you don't hear about pop stars beefing focus the artist on the art Now everyone can get a fair deal
Podcast were great in the beginning. Alternative to radio a small industry of people doing their own thing. Now it’s becoming muddied by money like radio. It was more of a art form early on. Well, I guess when money is involve things change.
@@AmazingJayB51 definitely money changing everything! Podcast is evolving only thing I don’t like is when celebrities & rappers do it! Takes away opportunities for ppl like myself!
As a paralegal for an Intellectual Property, a lot of folks are signing contracts without even reading them! They’re coming to law firms like the one I work at, begging for a way out of their contracts and I promise you, a lot of them are Hip Hop artists as well as Latino artists and it hurts my soul when I see this happen because as an artist myself, I can’t even fathom giving up the rights to my very well written and thought out artistic expression. FOH. A lot of big artists whose names I can’t ever mention are or have been our clients, and they did not read the small print nor get legal representation when they were presented with a contract. Sad.
It’s definitely 1000% easier to make music than make a movie…… a movie has a whole cast, even if it’s just the actors. There’s still a lot more that goes into making a movie vs music
I think the more the artist are bigger the reason why they're less active is because of they learned that there's other ways to make money. 50 Cent gave a perfect example in an interview. If you wanna be in the industry for money you gonna sign a deal. You in it for music you gonna sign a deal. When you realize its a business and you understand them loaning you money and not giving it to you then you'll understand you owe them money once you make the deal. To get paid you have earn it. Drake earned it. The big artist earned it. The little ppl in the game gotta figure it out.
Ahhh, isn't JOE, the same person who's "afraid" to say what's on his mind, when it comes to MUSIC/INDUSTRY/POPULAR "ARTISTS"?????? Joe's extreme lack of self-awareness says everything about him + his tendency to contradict himself is set on "maximum" today
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 coming from the dirty nigga making videos about how to roll T blunts…when you move out your mamas crib your opinion still won’t mean nothing goofy
I feel like the difference maker in this is the consumer. If all subscriptions are canceled in the same way the actors all responded to the call to action. Decisions will have to be made immediately. As long as all previously made content is still being streamed. The companies still make money no matter how long this goes on for
I recently discovered your channel and I enjoy your intelligent and thought provoking conversations. You guys are respectful of each other and let the person talking say what he has to say without interrupting him. By the way, I watched the Lena and Jason corn movie and thought it was boring. I watched it free on one of the sites a few days after it was released.
You guys could start up a voice actors or voice entertainer union. That will include pod, vo work, music, audio books est. that’s how are you boost the numbers
The new ones to this is a lot of people in the south like Atlanta in Florida and Texas. Those are right to work states and the people in those states are not used to the ideas of unions and don’t really know how they work because it’s never been normalized.
I don't think the actors he works with will participate. They been having this fight behind the scenes with UK actors for years and no one cared. Outside of people like 50 and Tyler Perry no one is hiring American black men for American black men roles. UK actors are getting the parts. I've heard Larenz Tate and other actors talking about it. It's time for them to double down not boycott because they are getting replaced regardless.
If 50 was smart hed create a black union and hire an all black team and sign them to that union. That way his productions would continue through the strike. Pay ppl fairly and run it like an agency.
I just watched an interview w/ Sha'Quille O'Neal and Monica Arnold and Sha'Quille stated that he earned $800,000 from one of his LPs and it wasn't enough. He was like, "Sh¡t, y'all don't make enough money for me." I thought that was so interesting. The money was obviously different back then (for some artists), but that figure really surprised me. Anyhow, if hip-hop is a male dominated sport, why aren't the males in hip-hop operating it? Nah, I done did some research and from the research I gathered, Joseph Anthony, a lot of artists are caught in a catch-22. If they sign to a label, 9 times outta 10, the label gon recoup everything. If they operate independently, 9 times outta 10, nobody's gon buy the music, much less hear it. I believe it truly depends on the artist. I've gone on record several times over the years stating that "streaming is dreaming." Think about it. Lil Nas X was able to garner 80 million streams off of _Old Town Road_ and you've never heard nobody play it in real life. There's a reason to that. Music is free nowadays and anything you give away for free will come back around and fuck you up. 15 years ago, it was so bad that artists were on record saying, "I'm putting out a free LP and if you wanna support, you can support." Fast forward to 2023 and this is the current climate.
I actually have heard old town road being played before lol. Pretty weird. But I get what you’re saying. Also radio play & bowling alleys etc that have playlists count as streams & somehow somebody gets paid for it.
The thing is these artists do have it, if you’re taking an advance upfront of $30,000 dollars you have two grande to pay a lawyer. The thing is they don’t want to pay the money. That lawyer could get you a $100,000 upfront or who knows how much more overall. A good attorney is basically an investment as you’ll see a bigger return. The problem is they want to take that 30 grande and go buy outfits, chains, lease cars
How do you at 21,22 or 19 like some of the artists sign their deals that the lawyer you hired is a good one? That happened with Facebook and those kids had Harvard degrees l, not trusting the right lawyers
Theres always a choice. Nipsey Hussle debunks all of those who feel they have to sign their value away. He walked away from Epic owning his masters when things didnt work out. He built his brand outside of the industry and created an infrastructure that wasn't dependent upon contracts. Even with Crenshaw he was able to do what we call in marketing qualitative and quantitative research. He charged $100 and was able to learn the demographics/psychographics of his consumers. He was able to have actual numbers to present his value. Even him not signing with MMG was a choice that debunks "Oh I gotta eat." He was still eating. Dj Envy spoke on Def Jam trying to sign him and he said no. Nipsey gave y'all the blueprint on truly being independent; and how you come back to the table with VALUE!!! You have to be comfortable tightening your belt and get creative with your resources. You dont have to just sign shitty deals.
No parks that not how streaming works you can literally look it up how they break down streaming earnings split between artists/labels/streaming services and the contracts are damn near still in slave contracts 360 deals where at the end of the day they do t get majority of the earnings even tho they do most of the work and a lot don’t even own their art
It’s easy for joe to say that now that he’s out of the music business. New artist are blind to the industry just like he was blind when he came in. It’s a constant cycle. The difference now is you can have some kind of success without signing to a label now vs back then
Idk its up to the individual to weigh the option, reposition, renegotiate and succession planning. A lot if these musicians don't even do these things and overspend and don't invest.
Sometimes he says things that make sense and sometimes he sounds like he is salty that his music career didn’t take off like some of the artists he is saying crap about. This was the guy who was saying that he was always better than Eminem and that Eminem is lucky that he is retired 😶he even appeared on love and hiphop a show known for having washed up artists but nobody says anything about him and the fact that people probably only know one song and that is pump it up what else has he got to brag about?
Pop singers and Hip Hop artists age out. Jazz, R&B, soul, rock, and country singers are life long performers who age and mature their sound over decades.
music artists don’t expect to make a living off of album sales though. it’s been like that for decades. touring, shows and concerts is where they make their money and they make most of that money which is great.
Regarding the Hollywood strike I feel like it’s 2 different battles going on. Some workers in Hollywood are fighting for wages and better pay vs. established/well off writers are scared that the playing field will now be leveled and normal civilians will catch up to them with the help of ChatGPT. Poor ppl and Rich ppl are fighting 2 different battles under the “strike” umbrella.
The "convenience" argument is partially true. We can argue convenience for typewriters being replaced by computers and Final Draft software. Microwaves are convenient. Certain things with AI will continue and they've been building for decades. They will pick and choose. When it comes to AI in acting, the studios evidently proposed that they will scan the faces of supporting performers to use in future projects. They've been cloning faces since before the Matrix. It'll continue.
Ye (2018) wanted to have this conversation. none of you listened, yall mocked and laughed at him now you realizing how important it is to read hose contracts. lol hopefully yall can join the actors striking against entertainment.
It all depends if a artist gets 50 million for a deal and then makes 250k a show you might not feel compelled to fight for people in your Industry for others you do
The small hats pulled up on Ye and he ain't want that smoke. Should have named names but if he did that, well we might not be having that conversation if he was going there with it.
Those iphone films were still hundreds of thousands… To make a successful film that is going to make a big $$$ return ITS MUCH HARDER THAN MUSIC. How Ish does’t know that?
Parks is a little off on the AI part. I work with AI and in tech in general. AI isnt just remixing/sampling other peoples work like you would in music. They're training the AI models on the information, the AI model is understanding the patterns that make up the creative work, and then creating an original response based off of thousands of patterns to give a unique response. Its no different than an artist studying Marvin Gayes craft and making their own music, not necessarily sampling
The lawsuit is more about people saying they didnt consent to their work being used to train an AI model, not that there was any copyright infringement or anything of the sort going on. Most AI companies are very strict with blatant copyright infringement stuff
Maybe I’m a hater but I just never want to here Parks take on anything. It’s weird I’m just so uninterested in anything dude says. If parks was taken from this pod there would be 0 difference. Dude talks way too to much for a guy not on Camera
I agree to an extent. He has some good bars here n there. But he tries too hard sometimes & it sounds like white guilt. But also he is the only reason why the sound quality of the pod is so good.
@@crownvicmusiccvm904 I do think he tries too hard. I think he tries too hard to insert himself just so he’ll be heard. No one every says “what do you think parks “ he just inserts himself in the conversation and it’s so forced to me
Honestly 10.99/mo should be the price for having the luxury to stream music at any time. We should also be paying for Artists albums and singles. Think of how good your favorite song can make you feel? Worth more than $10.99 a month.
Joe.... U lucky we even listen to your pod... Chill out. U had ONE SONG YOURE BLESSED! U GOT 17 YEARS IN MUSIC AND NOBODY KNOWS 2 HOT SONGS FROM U . HUSH.
It’s about money and artistic control Kanye work so much cause he owned by the industry and he wants to do a lot of things other artists like the one you showed in the thumbnail have different deals so they don’t have to make music a lot cause they make so much money in the internet age through touring ad deals and promotions and streaming if their top 100 artists world wide gotta they making their own festivals selling their own merch and making radio shows/movie tv deals on their own on the side doing movie soundtracks it’s way more money in different areas to make and artists get like 30 cents per dollar per stream
Well the mood series were not major releases. He put them out during his def jam dispute to keep fan interest and awareness alive with his core audience
Artists won’t even stand together against the Grammys. Why y’all leave out Jay-Z and Bey in the thumbnail? Lol y’all know the people who can really influence change among their peers and never hold them accountable, for fear of a call.
Rappers/hiphop is not immune to what is happening to voice actors. Soon these artists will not know they have signed their rights away to be digitally replicated.
I don't think Jay z is someone you should do business with based on his history I think guys like him Diddy certain people are a part of the system. You need to separate yourself from old business
What's weird is the made a system wear people are not buying music. So I think streaming really is for ads and company's. Because I don't know who ppl are getting paid off free music
I’ve always felt that if I was offered a music contract, I would willingly accept the Pennie’s and use my time + skill… I’ll up my price when it’s time to renew my contract…but alas, my music career has failed… now I’m putting my music talents to help the next generation.. my son, my niece, my nephew, my young homies…still making music and using it as a reference tracks…wouldn’t mind being a ghost writer tho…🤔
When Ish talks about "convenience" the volume of that aspect should resonate throughout world becauce it colmuniates into all facets of society more importantly it is a social engineering mechanism that dictates our lives in the future...we the people are our worst enemies by conforming to convenience in our lives instead of thinking what the consequences will be ESPECIALLY in the forms of currency....think about this the" tangible" dollar was/is our last line of freedom....once we go to all digital WE ARE DONE!!!! They will CONTROL US TO THE FULLEST!!! ALL IN THE NAME OF CONVENIENCE!!! 99% of the people trade the "tangible" dollar for debit,checking,& credit cards all cuz they thought it be more convenient 🤔🤨🤐i'm 52 yrs old & have NEVER had any of them & have done just fine w/o them all this time!!! But now thanks to EVERYBODY we almost HAVE TO conform because of it's mainstream but i refuse not to & will ride this til the wheels fall off & then i will trust in my LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST... GOD BLESS U🙏☝️👑
This can all be fixed if artists just do it independently. Only downside is the general public need the white man to tell them which music they should like
I just want to and NEED to say thatJoe has TWO of m personal unequivocal top 15 FAVORITE rap songs (one of them is also in my top 10 BEST rap songs ever created/recorded): Walk With Me (which I found on Def Jam Vendetta WELL before I discovered or developed mental issues, and Make It Through the Night. The former being in the top..eff it, FIVE actually. Everyone gives X (one of the best to EVER pick up a mic) most all the credit for his vulnerability as a rapper, but Joey was right there TOO. Just saying
Attention is the new currency which has been said many times on this Pod… as long as rappers look like they have money and as long as that is the perception they don’t care…
Joe is only partially right. More established artists should be more active BUT... the majority of the blame for the system goes to some of the gatekeepers that Joe has been notoriously making excuses for over the past several years. Iovine, Diddy & yes, even Jay (just to name a few). They have real power to stop the system of exploitation but Joe often makes excuses for them.
When these issues come up because he, just like the artists he's criticizing is worried about upsetting his political connects.
Lets also realize that Joe is putting the majority of the responsibility on Black/hip-hop leaning artists. Country, Pop, Rock, etc have immense political clout as well. Ariana, Taylor, Ed Sheeran,Beiber, Coldplay? What about them? Artists like Drake & Future should be more vocal. Of course! But leave it to to Joe miss the mark and blame Hip Hop while also always giving a pass to the executives and the genres with the MOST power! Joe is having a very necessary conversation. But until all are held accountable, there's really no point.
Joes audience isn’t typically listening to the music you named for him to need to name them because that’s a given
(1) your post is an emotional one, which overrides whatever logic you were attempting to use. (2) bringing up ed sheeran and other genres of music is a “whataboutism” argument - and a lazy one at that.
@ObiAmajoyiSrMD 🤣 you've got to be one of the most ignorant mfs whose ever used shown up in a comment section. Lol.. If you know anything about Labor movements and organization, you'd know that traction doesn't move forward without the powerplayers of an industry, regardless of their sector/division are the greatest agents of change. Furthermore, perhaps you have a problem with comprehension. Because even if you wanted to just limit this to a genre based fight, I specifically also mentioned that Joe routinely makes excuses for power brokers in hip-hop who have been accused of similar exploitation; like Puff, Tim & Iovine
gatekeepers 💯
@@Obiamajoyisrmdnow you sound emotional 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you didn’t like this argument you want another one 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
A dude who refused to show his former co-hosts the accounting having this conversation is WILD 🤣 Homie literally became the exact person that he's criticizing the moment he got power
Exactly! Lmao. This man has no moral compass. It’s crazy
why doesn't this have 1000 upvotes ? This is FAX
FACTS
Big facts now all industry joe care about is his wack designer fits and looney toons teeth 🦷 he don’t care about creators anymore has not done a rant for creators since R&M left that how you know he was fake
The negroid bipolar give him a break 😂
Jay literally came up with a rival streaming service with higher payouts to artists and better quality sound and I remember people very vocally stating they were sticking with Apple/Spotify because of convenience. Artists took the big bag instead of making a stand. Those actors and writers are playing the long game and setting shit up for the future of their industry. Most big time musicians look at themselves as a lone entity/brand so its unlikely they care about where music is headed. Shit you see most of them are selling off their catalogs and getting out the game altogether.
Facts! I remember this like it was yesterday.
He didn't come up with nothing. He marketed it. Some European dudes built it. He just bought into it and did what he always does, oversell his impact and take credit for other people shyt
I’m a tidal girl don’t fuck with the rest 🤷🏽♀️
@blackmcbain3145 So because he bought the company he doesn't deserve credit for the idea of a better payout and treatment of artist? My only point was that we complain about people in power not getting involved and when one did and gave a better alternative for artists we (me included at that time) didn't support.
@@lsmalls86 lol where are y’all getting this bought shit from he only owns 20 % and the white owners of square is 80 % how tf you gone say something is ours and we don’t even own it y’all speak and legit don’t never have the facts correct he lied he doesn’t help he associates himself to a lot of shit so no we don’t support that nigga because it’s not his shit
The “What is a stream?” saga continues. IYKYK. 😂
Nah frfr! 😂 wtf man
Truly never ends 😂😂😂
WHAT IS POP?!
All these years/episodes and we still really don’t know 😂
Joe knows sum
Didn't Nicki fight for streaming rights in court tho? And she was crucified publicly for even speaking up about it
I literally came to the comments looking for someone to state this. I feel like he intentionally didnt mention her bc shes is the ONE artist that I automatically think of during these kinds of conversations.
Ish is saying they don’t have a choice….but they do per Joe’s word. The actors and writers have done the job of forming a union, always paying attention to the information, and standing together when needed. Musicians “have the choice” to do that.
This is mainly because as black people we are extremely short sided and selfish with each other. We love to use the term “competitiveness” or “competition” to justify some of our unwelcoming behavior. Especially us NY dudes. There’s absolutely no reason the rap game should be this far behind when it comes to music ownership. We have billionaires in the game who just keep repeating the cycle that they went through. It’s lame af. We have zero understanding of our fiscal power.
Ya'll gotta stop blaming Black people for the same ish white people do. These Pop and country mfs have waaaaaaay more political power and leverage than Hip hop artists. And guess what? The white pop & country artists are even more afraid to challenge the status quo than Black artists are.
They sign the same terrible contracts and you don't exactly see them on the front line either. The system needs to be revolutionized, but can we first stop blaming Black people as if white people aren't just as short sided and afraid as we are?
Bro please explain to me what "short sided" is...
Jesus
@colinwhat769 lmao...you know what he meant. Short sighted😂😂
@@colinwhat769 short sided is looking out for self. Always being in survival mode when it’s unnecessary.
@OfficialOtm1001 I agree with you completely.
As a union organizer, I’d be interested to know what it would take to organize musicians. I really don’t fuck with the OGs who go through the bullshit then turn around and put younger artists through that same machine. Diddy and the likes are too thirsty to be a billionaire to stand in solidarity with up and coming artists.
As cynical as I am, I know you can make it happen starting with the artists who want to see change. People will follow if they see others standing up and if the majority is being screwed over then that gives reasons for them to join together.
If you decide to start fw Artist , tap in with me I’m down
"Pump it up is still, pumping it up" - Joseph Budden
😂😂😂 me too in the gym , Mr One hit Wonder
He did say he’s wiser now abs he admitted not being more educated on it back then
@@nike12more like four hit wonder to be funny but yo be honest second best from jersey behind redman joe got better bars than your favorite rapper
@@jamesadvincola9687 better than the queen better than treach who was mainly a producer redman is number one lauryn is the greatest female rapper but not better than joe u saying this let’s me kno you’ve never listened to his music
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤫
Nicki is the only one who openly speaks out,I love how Taylor moves behind the scenes, too.
Hearing joe talk about bad contracts is always funny 😂😂😂
Especially with a purple shirt on, R.I.P prince. ❤
I’ve only seen them joke around on this show. As a up and coming artists myself, it was refreshing to hear them touch on a serious topic like higher wedges for artists as well. Might start watching this more…
Joe constantly reminds everybody why his music career never reached the heights that it was supposed to. Always talking never enough rapping, podcast really is his lane because he can just be a diva ALL DAY. 😂😂
Joe actually talking these days I like it …Giving that feel
Joe is dropping facts. Music today is trash
"Pump it up" was hot?
@@kylewatson4900 does your broke hating ass have any music out that’s paying you royalties and residuals? Don’t worry I’ll wait. 😂
Why don't he join the strike? The same argument the actors and musicians would have, applies to podcast as well...
@@danieljenkins7951 ask Joe, tf you asking me for?
Love this podcast….grown folks talking real shit …these are the conversations more hip hop icons need to have … educate the ones coming instead of competing with youngins so they make the same mistakes
I think in the rap industry the weakness is the competition of business between rappers.
If you want better deals for yourself and other artists
Guys who are established need to build brand new labels with other artist
Who are experienced in the game.
Change the script on contracts . Band together to make music outlets either pay or take your music off of there platforms and reconstruct what an artist gets.
This also goes for ghost writers. No more ghost writers. Everybody who is apart of the build of a song gets a cut and writers credit. There are lyrical geniuses and then there are people who are star quality . Not really great rappers but like an actor they have star power
The labels in power now
You have to put them out of business.
You need people who care more about the culture than the money and build there success off others success
Get out of the rap beef game you don't hear about pop stars beefing focus the artist on the art
Now everyone can get a fair deal
Yo Hire the window cleaner back with y’all’s windex ahhh windows 😂😂😂
Great Conversation!!!! Yes podcasting industry definitely needs a union!!!!
Podcast were great in the beginning. Alternative to radio a small industry of people doing their own thing. Now it’s becoming muddied by money like radio. It was more of a art form early on. Well, I guess when money is involve things change.
@@AmazingJayB51 definitely money changing everything! Podcast is evolving only thing I don’t like is when celebrities & rappers do it! Takes away opportunities for ppl like myself!
That is why he is spewing nonsense. Hypocritical. Why dont podcasts strike
As a paralegal for an Intellectual Property, a lot of folks are signing contracts without even reading them! They’re coming to law firms like the one I work at, begging for a way out of their contracts and I promise you, a lot of them are Hip Hop artists as well as Latino artists and it hurts my soul when I see this happen because as an artist myself, I can’t even fathom giving up the rights to my very well written and thought out artistic expression. FOH. A lot of big artists whose names I can’t ever mention are or have been our clients, and they did not read the small print nor get legal representation when they were presented with a contract. Sad.
It’s definitely 1000% easier to make music than make a movie…… a movie has a whole cast, even if it’s just the actors. There’s still a lot more that goes into making a movie vs music
I think the more the artist are bigger the reason why they're less active is because of they learned that there's other ways to make money. 50 Cent gave a perfect example in an interview. If you wanna be in the industry for money you gonna sign a deal. You in it for music you gonna sign a deal. When you realize its a business and you understand them loaning you money and not giving it to you then you'll understand you owe them money once you make the deal. To get paid you have earn it. Drake earned it. The big artist earned it. The little ppl in the game gotta figure it out.
Ahhh, isn't JOE, the same person who's "afraid" to say what's on his mind, when it comes to MUSIC/INDUSTRY/POPULAR "ARTISTS"?????? Joe's extreme lack of self-awareness says everything about him + his tendency to contradict himself is set on "maximum" today
thats not fair Joes personality has always spoke up and has taken hits all throughout his career because of it.
Your lack of self awareness has you writing about Joes self awareness as though your opinion matters. Quit being so emotional.
@@Obiamajoyisrmd matters so much you had to interrupt "slurping" on Joe to comment = get off your knees goofy
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 coming from the dirty nigga making videos about how to roll T blunts…when you move out your mamas crib your opinion still won’t mean nothing goofy
@@ewitdakey8683 lol no
I feel like the difference maker in this is the consumer. If all subscriptions are canceled in the same way the actors all responded to the call to action. Decisions will have to be made immediately. As long as all previously made content is still being streamed. The companies still make money no matter how long this goes on for
Love this convo. Music industry strike next!
Thanks for talking about it and sharing that thought. It's really fucked up
It’s not scraping other ppls work together. It’s using it to come up with something similar but still unique.
Exactly they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
I recently discovered your channel and I enjoy your intelligent and thought provoking conversations. You guys are respectful of each other and let the person talking say what he has to say without interrupting him. By the way, I watched the Lena and Jason corn movie and thought it was boring. I watched it free on one of the sites a few days after it was released.
You guys could start up a voice actors or voice entertainer union. That will include pod, vo work, music, audio books est. that’s how are you boost the numbers
That’s a good idea, actually.
Yes 🤔
People sleep on joe lyrically, bro is a savage on the 🎤
Mornin to yall💪🏾💜
Raekwon looking for you Joe
Prince told niggas in the 90's about this shit and everybody called him crazy.
I love these type of convos
The new ones to this is a lot of people in the south like Atlanta in Florida and Texas. Those are right to work states and the people in those states are not used to the ideas of unions and don’t really know how they work because it’s never been normalized.
💯,I remember the def jam diss song on AV8 records.. I post it in n my channel 10 years a go , the most younger don’t know the story of joe ☮️
That beat still goes too 🔥🔥 "The Growth" was sposed to be somethin else..
Parks: you understand what I’m saying ?
Bro you know we didn’t bc you know damn well you ain’t say shit
I love how flip sits and listens!
Nicki speaks out ALL THE TIME but y'all silence her and call her miserable and bitter lmao. 🥴
Upfront money you mean loans nothing more than loans from the record companies no bonus loans artists have to payback with interest
This the Joe in Yatchy face energy and I’m all for it
We need to apply this to us regular citizen. Because as a whole we are all losing to the 1%
We need to eat the rich 🤷🏾♂️
@philb707 that's is already happening...a yacht just got armed robbed and mansions in Cali being broken into weekly
@@burgesswilliams8745if you’re talking about the quavo yatch they weren’t “arm robbed” lol
I’m interested in seeing how 50 cent adjusts to this. He went through the music industry and now into tv and film with this shut down.
I don't think the actors he works with will participate. They been having this fight behind the scenes with UK actors for years and no one cared. Outside of people like 50 and Tyler Perry no one is hiring American black men for American black men roles. UK actors are getting the parts. I've heard Larenz Tate and other actors talking about it. It's time for them to double down not boycott because they are getting replaced regardless.
If 50 was smart hed create a black union and hire an all black team and sign them to that union. That way his productions would continue through the strike. Pay ppl fairly and run it like an agency.
@@blackmcbain3145 he may be tbh I heard he’s building his own recording and visual studio like perry
He on back on tour thats how he adjusted
@@Dadailyhussle you right lol I didn’t think about that until after I had posted this lol that’s a smart Mfer 😂😂
I just watched an interview w/ Sha'Quille O'Neal and Monica Arnold and Sha'Quille stated that he earned $800,000 from one of his LPs and it wasn't enough. He was like, "Sh¡t, y'all don't make enough money for me." I thought that was so interesting. The money was obviously different back then (for some artists), but that figure really surprised me. Anyhow, if hip-hop is a male dominated sport, why aren't the males in hip-hop operating it? Nah, I done did some research and from the research I gathered, Joseph Anthony, a lot of artists are caught in a catch-22. If they sign to a label, 9 times outta 10, the label gon recoup everything. If they operate independently, 9 times outta 10, nobody's gon buy the music, much less hear it. I believe it truly depends on the artist. I've gone on record several times over the years stating that "streaming is dreaming." Think about it. Lil Nas X was able to garner 80 million streams off of _Old Town Road_ and you've never heard nobody play it in real life. There's a reason to that. Music is free nowadays and anything you give away for free will come back around and fuck you up. 15 years ago, it was so bad that artists were on record saying, "I'm putting out a free LP and if you wanna support, you can support." Fast forward to 2023 and this is the current climate.
I actually have heard old town road being played before lol. Pretty weird. But I get what you’re saying. Also radio play & bowling alleys etc that have playlists count as streams & somehow somebody gets paid for it.
the Compton movie with Ice cube and Easyz and then New edition movie was best example of what happan to contracts and Bobby brown movie
The thing is these artists do have it, if you’re taking an advance upfront of $30,000 dollars you have two grande to pay a lawyer. The thing is they don’t want to pay the money. That lawyer could get you a $100,000 upfront or who knows how much more overall. A good attorney is basically an investment as you’ll see a bigger return. The problem is they want to take that 30 grande and go buy outfits, chains, lease cars
How do you at 21,22 or 19 like some of the artists sign their deals that the lawyer you hired is a good one?
That happened with Facebook and those kids had Harvard degrees l, not trusting the right lawyers
The ovulation call-back is amazing lmao
This the only time I look at my dude when he feels passion again.
I don't care about Hollywood or actors i watch
you tube and content creators all day 😂😂
Who half are…. Actors… and writers 😂
Which is the same thing. It’s all entertainment
They worse
Good job.
Theres always a choice. Nipsey Hussle debunks all of those who feel they have to sign their value away. He walked away from Epic owning his masters when things didnt work out. He built his brand outside of the industry and created an infrastructure that wasn't dependent upon contracts. Even with Crenshaw he was able to do what we call in marketing qualitative and quantitative research. He charged $100 and was able to learn the demographics/psychographics of his consumers. He was able to have actual numbers to present his value. Even him not signing with MMG was a choice that debunks "Oh I gotta eat." He was still eating. Dj Envy spoke on Def Jam trying to sign him and he said no. Nipsey gave y'all the blueprint on truly being independent; and how you come back to the table with VALUE!!! You have to be comfortable tightening your belt and get creative with your resources. You dont have to just sign shitty deals.
@15:44 I believe Joe would be a part of this.... This is what they need as well in the Battlerap Culture
No parks that not how streaming works you can literally look it up how they break down streaming earnings split between artists/labels/streaming services and the contracts are damn near still in slave contracts 360 deals where at the end of the day they do t get majority of the earnings even tho they do most of the work and a lot don’t even own their art
It’s easy for joe to say that now that he’s out of the music business. New artist are blind to the industry just like he was blind when he came in. It’s a constant cycle. The difference now is you can have some kind of success without signing to a label now vs back then
He's a clown. It's not like he didn't get the short end of the stick most times & quit
The R&B money podcast has been putting people up on game when it comes to this music game... Look at Tiffany Fred interview.... then watch all of them
Dawg I thought Mel was Nadeska at first lol I was like HOL ON!
Idk its up to the individual to weigh the option, reposition, renegotiate and succession planning. A lot if these musicians don't even do these things and overspend and don't invest.
Well ain’t that the pot calling the kettle black 😂
Sometimes he says things that make sense and sometimes he sounds like he is salty that his music career didn’t take off like some of the artists he is saying crap about. This was the guy who was saying that he was always better than Eminem and that Eminem is lucky that he is retired 😶he even appeared on love and hiphop a show known for having washed up artists but nobody says anything about him and the fact that people probably only know one song and that is pump it up what else has he got to brag about?
I still don’t know how someone is exploitied when they made a choice and signed to a label.
The label and industry is the new boogie man
Pop singers and Hip Hop artists age out. Jazz, R&B, soul, rock, and country singers are life long performers who age and mature their sound over decades.
music artists don’t expect to make a living off of album sales though. it’s been like that for decades. touring, shows and concerts is where they make their money and they make most of that money which is great.
Regarding the Hollywood strike I feel like it’s 2 different battles going on. Some workers in Hollywood are fighting for wages and better pay vs. established/well off writers are scared that the playing field will now be leveled and normal civilians will catch up to them with the help of ChatGPT. Poor ppl and Rich ppl are fighting 2 different battles under the “strike” umbrella.
The "convenience" argument is partially true. We can argue convenience for typewriters being replaced by computers and Final Draft software. Microwaves are convenient.
Certain things with AI will continue and they've been building for decades. They will pick and choose.
When it comes to AI in acting, the studios evidently proposed that they will scan the faces of supporting performers to use in future projects. They've been cloning faces since before the Matrix. It'll continue.
Ye (2018) wanted to have this conversation. none of you listened, yall mocked and laughed at him now you realizing how important it is to read hose contracts. lol hopefully yall can join the actors striking against entertainment.
Please. Prince talked about this long before Kanye was a name.. y'all really need to read more.
Music sound like it’s made for Tv commercials and Social Media content now
What you think your 2 ex employees feels. Hypocrisy is a understatement
It all depends if a artist gets 50 million for a deal and then makes 250k a show you might not feel compelled to fight for people in your Industry for others you do
1of the best combos I heard from Joe in a min
When he was an artist, did he practice what he is preaching now. It’s always easy to be outside and criticise cos you have nothing to lose.
I could argue Kendrick is trynna to do a union for art in general with pg lang
YE lost deals fighting for this and y'all called him crazy!!
He lost deals for a another big reason lol
I agree but YE was playing chest on 5 boards at the same time making the same moves
The small hats pulled up on Ye and he ain't want that smoke. Should have named names but if he did that, well we might not be having that conversation if he was going there with it.
Lol.. no he didn't.
Those iphone films were still hundreds of thousands…
To make a successful film that is going to make a big $$$ return ITS MUCH HARDER THAN MUSIC.
How Ish does’t know that?
Parks is a little off on the AI part. I work with AI and in tech in general. AI isnt just remixing/sampling other peoples work like you would in music. They're training the AI models on the information, the AI model is understanding the patterns that make up the creative work, and then creating an original response based off of thousands of patterns to give a unique response. Its no different than an artist studying Marvin Gayes craft and making their own music, not necessarily sampling
The lawsuit is more about people saying they didnt consent to their work being used to train an AI model, not that there was any copyright infringement or anything of the sort going on. Most AI companies are very strict with blatant copyright infringement stuff
Music last longer than movies even though it's easier to create joe has a point both are important and those who make them should be rewarded well
Maybe I’m a hater but I just never want to here Parks take on anything. It’s weird I’m just so uninterested in anything dude says. If parks was taken from this pod there would be 0 difference. Dude talks way too to much for a guy not on Camera
I agree to an extent. He has some good bars here n there. But he tries too hard sometimes & it sounds like white guilt. But also he is the only reason why the sound quality of the pod is so good.
@@crownvicmusiccvm904 I do think he tries too hard. I think he tries too hard to insert himself just so he’ll be heard. No one every says “what do you think parks “ he just inserts himself in the conversation and it’s so forced to me
@@johnwayne-vs7ub yeah pretty sure I’ve only heard for parks opinion on subjects a hand full of times over the last year lol
Honestly 10.99/mo should be the price for having the luxury to stream music at any time. We should also be paying for Artists albums and singles. Think of how good your favorite song can make you feel? Worth more than $10.99 a month.
How do you sue or bring a lawsuit against AI?
Joe.... U lucky we even listen to your pod... Chill out. U had ONE SONG YOURE BLESSED! U GOT 17 YEARS IN MUSIC AND NOBODY KNOWS 2 HOT SONGS FROM U . HUSH.
any ‘writer’ who uses AI to write the entirety of a body of work is not a ‘writer’.
It’s about money and artistic control Kanye work so much cause he owned by the industry and he wants to do a lot of things other artists like the one you showed in the thumbnail have different deals so they don’t have to make music a lot cause they make so much money in the internet age through touring ad deals and promotions and streaming if their top 100 artists world wide gotta they making their own festivals selling their own merch and making radio shows/movie tv deals on their own on the side doing movie soundtracks it’s way more money in different areas to make and artists get like 30 cents per dollar per stream
Kanye had his own label. It flopped like hell. Kanye wearing shoulder pads and he's a weirdo
Joes catalogue is fucking solid too. Mood music 1-4 probably didn’t make him a penny. Classic tapes those
Well the mood series were not major releases. He put them out during his def jam dispute to keep fan interest and awareness alive with his core audience
yup 6:45
Artists won’t even stand together against the Grammys. Why y’all leave out Jay-Z and Bey in the thumbnail? Lol y’all know the people who can really influence change among their peers and never hold them accountable, for fear of a call.
Rappers/hiphop is not immune to what is happening to voice actors. Soon these artists will not know they have signed their rights away to be digitally replicated.
I don't think Jay z is someone you should do business with based on his history I think guys like him Diddy certain people are a part of the system. You need to separate yourself from old business
What's weird is the made a system wear people are not buying music. So I think streaming really is for ads and company's. Because I don't know who ppl are getting paid off free music
Ish is right. But this is the time to strike 7:33 now or never
I’ve always felt that if I was offered a music contract, I would willingly accept the Pennie’s and use my time + skill… I’ll up my price when it’s time to renew my contract…but alas, my music career has failed… now I’m putting my music talents to help the next generation.. my son, my niece, my nephew, my young homies…still making music and using it as a reference tracks…wouldn’t mind being a ghost writer tho…🤔
Wait til you hear J KyRei Slaughter, he talk that shit about every rapper, from drake to Jay z to ddg lmao
Let Joe talk! He right!
When Ish talks about "convenience" the volume of that aspect should resonate throughout world becauce it colmuniates into all facets of society more importantly it is a social engineering mechanism that dictates our lives in the future...we the people are our worst enemies by conforming to convenience in our lives instead of thinking what the consequences will be ESPECIALLY in the forms of currency....think about this the" tangible" dollar was/is our last line of freedom....once we go to all digital WE ARE DONE!!!! They will CONTROL US TO THE FULLEST!!! ALL IN THE NAME OF CONVENIENCE!!! 99% of the people trade the "tangible" dollar for debit,checking,& credit cards all cuz they thought it be more convenient 🤔🤨🤐i'm 52 yrs old & have NEVER had any of them & have done just fine w/o them all this time!!! But now thanks to EVERYBODY we almost HAVE TO conform because of it's mainstream but i refuse not to & will ride this til the wheels fall off & then i will trust in my LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST... GOD BLESS U🙏☝️👑
Real shit Joe 💯
You have no choice unless you make them come get it from your backyard
Ain’t nobody going against their masters, you saw what happened to Isaiah Rashad. “Every other rapper sexually abused” - Kendrick
Every fall is full of new game shows lol and you’re allowed to promote projects that were made before the strike so the crew don’t miss out on money.
This can all be fixed if artists just do it independently. Only downside is the general public need the white man to tell them which music they should like
♾Bring it Out♾
I just want to and NEED to say thatJoe has TWO of m personal unequivocal top 15 FAVORITE rap songs (one of them is also in my top 10 BEST rap songs ever created/recorded): Walk With Me (which I found on Def Jam Vendetta WELL before I discovered or developed mental issues, and Make It Through the Night. The former being in the top..eff it, FIVE actually. Everyone gives X (one of the best to EVER pick up a mic) most all the credit for his vulnerability as a rapper, but Joey was right there TOO. Just saying
"Pump it up is still pumping it up" Joe..🤣
Attention is the new currency which has been said many times on this Pod… as long as rappers look like they have money and as long as that is the perception they don’t care…
WHAT IS A STREAM?!?!