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"Half the people don't care about your problems and the other half are glad you have them."
Shit it's a 2 way street there buddy 😂 no fucks given over here either 😴🤷♂️🤷 what you gon say now giga turtle
No, half the people PRETEND to care about your problems.
@@JOIBOY3D2Yyou looking for a fight no one asked for 😂 he was quoting smart one
@@camma12well, that's why those are the people that are glad you have them. So, they can pretend to care.
@@Ziggyvu Dude wanted to show us how much he didn't care by commenting, thereby showing he cares as much as the next guy.
"People believe in the greater good, only if they're part of the greater good. If not, it's "tyranny by the majority" f'ing genius quote there.
Based and red pilled
That's called Democracy, it's only good when you are on the side that benefits from the majority vote.
It all brews down to self interest. It's largely why collectivism as a whole throughout human history never works.
Sounds like some shit from the Art of War
Commonly know as "democracy and dictatorship", both are the same, depends on which side of the winning side you are.
Good Pathologic quote for this: "People care about bloodshed only when it's their blood and their shed"
their shed
i think "care" and actually "doing something" are two completely different things.
Sure you can say caring about something is useless without action, but that's not really true because through the act of you caring, it makes you vigilant about the "bad thing" occurring in your sphere of influence and decreases the chance of it happening while you still care. which is in a way doing something.
People in general care about other peoples suffering even if they don't do anything about it, i don't necessarily think that's bad because its stops that type of suffering from happening where they are, its generally better than not caring at all.
You are not "telling it like it is" or being honest when a foreign kid comes to you and you tell him/her "you don't care about their suffering and no one really cares".
But what if you care about bloodshed and you shed blood to end the bloodshed for millenia to come.. Like in africa where they keep .... shedding lets say since like forever now.
@commissarkitty3553
Saying you care and actually caring. 2 completely different things. I'm sorry to say it, but you 'caring' internally does not affect the suffering in the world. No, your thoughts alone do not make a difference.
@@stayhydratedwalterI disagree your internal value system and thoughts can influence you and your immediate surroundings if they are genuine that is.
If you're talking about virtue signalling that's a whole different topic all together.
If I don't buy the new phone that 3 kids died to make then they died for nothing.
Good point. My guilt has been absolved thank you!
Lol, true in the short term.
If nobody sinned, then Jesus died for nothing. The more sin is committed, the more worth we put onto Jesus's body.
Thank you. I can finally sleep at night
@@OrokanaMkIII If you're gonna go to hell, do you only want 1 sin, or a 1,000,000 sins and be a celebrity?
As a former soldier, the chatter who said people died for their country as an example of selflessness is unfounded. Being a soldier is a job we get paid for. There are a few soldiers who signed up due to a sense of Patriotism, but they are the extreme minority. Being a soldier is a high-risk job that has extraordinary benefits. We received good pay and benefits. I received two college degrees that were completely paid for due to the contract I signed with the Army. I deployed three times. I got untaxed pay while I was deployed and combat pay for being in a dangerous area. We didn't do it out of the goodness of our hearts. We did it because it was a job. We all care about our country but we didn't do it specifically for our country.
Soldiers are just people. Soldiers are good human beings. Soldiers are bad human beings. While we were deployed we had to warn female soldiers to walk with others because our own soldiers were raping our female soldiers. This soldiers are Great Virtue is a story people tell themselves to make what soldiers do feel noble. Soldiers are just doing a job only 1% of Americans participate in.
1% participate so this idea of how noble a soldiers duty may be is just something citizens have no clue about. Just a job. No great virtue at all.
And just like asmon and everyone else commenting you speak for yourself.
@@FrawgfithAmblose -- Big true. I can only speak for myself but hopefully, my first-hand experience counts in the opinion.
I only responded because that chatter sounded like someone with no first-hand experience.
thank you for your service 😂😂
@@kalbahl -- You can laugh because some of the treatment we get is laughable.
Sometimes we are in an airport and receive a random standing ovation. People will buy you drinks.
Some of the soldiers people do that for have never deployed to a combat zone.
Some of the soldiers civilians cheer do whatever they can to get out of deployments by faking injuries or creating a status that would prevent them from going to war.
Civilians just see the uniform and cheer.
It is indeed laughable at times.
Maybe they are cheering people who would do something they wouldn't do.
Civilians create fairy tale scenarios about soldiers and probably create the same fairy tales about how their phones are made to feel better about choices.
My entire view of the military changed when my best friend joined the Army. Hes basically in a fraternity that pays him well and ships him off to different places around the world.
I still respect the work of course, but its interesting to get an insider perspective and realize that its really just another job
The concept/phenomenon is known as "Middleman Redemption". As long as you're not buying directly from the "evil-doer", then the product is made "clean" again and its origins are of no consequence unless those consequences affect the consumer directly.
Think back to a cash based society. You get $10.00 in change at the register. Do you question the history of that $10.00? Has it been used in a dozen criminal transactions? Was it stolen from someone? It doesn't matter anymore. It's been made "clean" again by the most recent transaction that placed it in that register.
That’s interesting and very well said. Thank you
Laundered goods. 👍🏻🤣
The difference between an iPhone and a $10 bill is that you cant even differentiate that bill
Its so easy to mix up that we even have legal court precedent that "trace amounts of drugs" is not a valid excuse for a crime
But an iPhone is non-fungible, its unique, it can be traced
Money has serial numbers, but because it changes hands so much, its impossible to trace beyond the eyes of the government
So what you're saying is corporations are basically Gatcha game currency exchangers. The original money doesn't matter anymore because I got these awesome new v bucks!
Same deal as money laundering xD
On the 'most people don't care' statement, I think it's also the fact that caring about everything consistently is also really hard. There are people who care about these things, and would happily pay more for more moral choices given the oppurtunity, but even then these people, or people in general, do not have the time to be aware of the intricacies and backgrounds of everything they buy in modern society. It would practically be a full time job in and of itself just trying to, if it was even possible at all with how many companies will more or less lie to make themselves seem a more moral choice. The vast majority of even people who would like to make that sort of effort simply don't have the capability to do so.
Don't get me wrong, doing what you can is still good, but even if you have an electric car and solar panels and an ethically sourced phone and food and- oh. Oops, your shirt was made with slavery. It would just be a never ending slog, and people have to work a job in the meantime. If it were as easy as say downloading an app which would tell you how ethical your options are and using it whenever you're shopping, I think things would improve... somewhat. But that's really not possible today.
This overflood of responsibility is one of the major reasons why depression is on the rise. Issues so far away feel inescapable and unfixable because of the internet.
@@lukebytes5366 haha you finally made me understood why I am depressed. For some reason I stupidly take responsibility for every world issue and get depressed because it is damn near impossible to do anything about any of them, and the responsibility should in fact lie with the ones causing these issues. Thanks for helping me understand a little, even if that wasn't your intention.
@@ReeceJohnson-v7pyeah man. You have to make yourself better before you can help anyone else. I know I sound harsh but I don't care about things that don't affect me in my day to day. If I did I would be paralyzed with how much stuff I have to care about.
@@cooleyzz Yeah I agree with this, you might say its harsh but you are right about it paralyzing you and making you want to do nothing ever. Gonna try to actually care about myself more, and pay less heed to massive society wide issues, because ultimately they are not my fault. I appreciate you giving me a bit of a reality check.
Is not harsh. "If you want to change the world start from yourself" it can be interpreted in many ways...
But if your happy you will be in a postion to helps others and if you are not youare just another burden. So to fix the world stop being the burden, and less bad things would happen. And you might have the capacity & power to help others, you could put at least a leftover of it into something. @@cooleyzz
People care about your problems when they want credit for solving them
Explains asmon with the Palestine situation
That my issues with BLM
^^THISSS
Not always true, but it’s true a lot of the time. There have been several times where I’ll come across a problem, solve it and leave. It’s up to others whether or not I get praise for it. Try it for no reason.
Mr Beast
"More bald he gets, more smart he becomes"
As his brain grows it pushes the hair out XD
The hair is just confining the expanding brain.
Hair loss is power, just look at Saitama
Stupid hair fleeing the smart head o_O
@@danielgreen7607It happened to Walter White 😂😂
Indifference in the modern age at this point is a self-preservation mechanism.
Those who who force themselves to care about everything end up being neurotic and unstable messes, and the only emotion they can feel at that point is blind rage.
The correlation between activist and people who care about everything always have bad or unstable personal relationships.
I've been there when I was younger, you're absolutely right, it's not at all a sustainable mindset
case and point: people with T flags in their bios on twitter.
Asmon talks about how humans only care about something when it affects them
People: Surprised Pikachu face
People are really surprised humans by default don't give a fuck about eachother, damn, its like humility and selflessness are taught or something
anyone actually surprised by this ask yourself
How much do you care, not feel bad, but actually give a fuck about the fact that places outside of where you live have bad things that happen to them
The answer is you dont because there's too much going on in your own life that you have to focus that attention on
You aren't a bad person for not giving a fuck, but Asmon is telling it like it is and by default you dont care if it doesnt inconvenience you
I think this line of thinking is a fallacy
We’re taught, all the time, why we should want something, either through word-of-mouth or advertisements
Who is actively teaching people the process of manufacturing an iPhone?
You have to actively educate yourself on these topics. After educating yourself, you are then tasked with educating others against a billion-dollar corporation whose marketing campaign will undo any progress you make overnight
This line of thinking skirts the responsibility of these mega corporations, and it damns us all on their behalf
People do care just not to that extent, you should read about the book humankind. They even talk about the button convo.
@@sdbzfan1 Absolutely nailed it.
@@ORDlNANCE like you said you have to educate yourself, but emphathy and selflessness are taught to us a children, by default people are selfish "i want this, i want that", kids have to be told no
As we get older that doesnt change you have to have self control and a willingness to put others before yourself
One thing I would like to point out is that there is a difference between acknowledging the status quo and embracing it. The moment you stop striving for good is the moment the world spirals downwards. There is no staying still in a current, you either swim or you get enveloped.
I do not mean to imply that you should or ought to make tough decision after tough decision every day, and fight wars on the other side of the planet. But as long as each of us invest a non-zero amount of care into the betterment of humanity and the circumstances for other people, the world moves in the right direction.
The key is not to stop caring, it is to accept your own limitations. You, as an individual, should not be held to a standard that is unreasonable. You may not have the fighting personality, the endurance, the finances, the knowledge, the right circumstances in life or even the amount of motivation to be able to carry the burden of fighting these injustices in the world.
But you can still care and talk and think about them, perhaps let your understanding inspire your actions from time to time, possibly spark change in the hearts of other people or in one limited area in the world that you can affect. Be humble, not uncaring / indifferent.
This take is a million times better than what's in the video. I agree with a lot of what Asmongold says, but "nobody cares and that's how it is" is not a good way to look at the world.
I was going to write something similar as I was thinking exactly the same as I listened to this. I am pleased to see someone so clearly articulate the only reasonable take to this whole conversation here.
So the takeaway is we don't live in a society where people don't care, the world is just too big for us now to care. People used to only know about those 150 people, now we know about all suffering everywhere. And we clearly were not programmed to handle that amount of information. We also live in a society where it is made impossible for us to do the right thing.
That and people move on their instinct
That's the premise, the takeaway is we need to call out people moral posturing online - they do not really care, their intentions are selfish. Can't move on until we recognize that.
rebekkiej: yes, this seems to be the truth nothing more nothing less. I would just add that caring about everything in the world, like some youtubers display they do (particularly on the left with TYT or kyle kulinski etc) wll be damaging to the psyche long term because it is not natural precisely because you are extending being your natural conscience. I understand religion, spirituality and cosmic consciousness having been influenced by these ideas pretty deeply in the 90s when I was a teenager in southern california - now I am more pragmatic and am cognizant that it is natural, practical and normal to care about my surroundings such as neighbors and not to feel guilty that I cannot change the world "out there." It is sad and unfortunate but it is also an aspect of growing up and getting older. Take care :).
@@Rubycheckers Yes, like virtue signalling - people mean well but they are programmed to think in untenable and unhealthy ways for them psychologically! Cya
@@Rubycheckers that what I do and people get mad.
One of the reasons the modern world is so crazy right now is because people confuse indifference for hatred or bigotry.
Worse than that. People like this want you to be a friend or an enemy. They get angrier at "I don't care" than they do at a racist tirade. Probably because it makes their particular fight seem less important, which is why whenever you respond that way, the best they come up with is "oh you're actually on Team B, but you're pretending to not be"
Morality is not meant to deal with abstraction. If you had to take your motherboard from a dead child's hands, sales would go down, although not to zero.
Asmon referring to the Bible and all these other things as DLC and patches had me ROLLING 😂
This is why lord of the flies was always my favorite book back in the day. It shows morals are taught and enforced, not innate.
Yeah the assigned 'leader' talked all he wanted about being leader but it was the boy who hunted and gave the boys shelter was their leader.
Lord of the Flies is unrealistic, in virtually all cases of situations similar to what’s described in the book everyone involved had a deep sense of camaraderie and did their best to insure as many people survived as possible until help arrived.
It's a fictional novel. It doesn't "show" anything, it just tells a story based on the perception of a single person. I would agree that the story is probably accurate to reality but that's not provable because those kids don't exist and none of those things actually happened. You should not use a fictional novel to form conclusions about reality. If you want to demonstrate that "morals are taught and enforced, not innate" then do so using actual real-world evidence.
@@yyyahwehhh You're missing the point. Fiction is absolutely a useful tool for teaching morality. Everything in fiction is a reflection of reality, because reality is where we are pulling the information. You can also, using your own reasoning skills, determine if a moral being taught makes logical sense. Its not implanting the idea as law, it makes you consider it and work through it yourself.
Being apathetic towards everything can actually keep a lot of stress off your mind.
it makes you apathetic to yourself too in the long run which can have consequences
The truth is that it's much easier to look away. It's something no one wants to admit.
Agreed, when you are working yourself to death to afford rent and maybe buy a house before you die. It's hard to find the energy or resources to do anything about these conflict products. You just have to buy what's cheapest because you don't really have a choice
The choice is there it just sucks to forgo the cheaper and more material life@@deadcaptainjames6045
I can admit that
I'm a lazy fuck, and i accepted that a long time ago, thus hate people acting like they do care, while they in fact just want to look like they care, to make people believe they're better people than they are
I think the thumbnail is so fucking hilarious and then you get Asmon in the bottom left corner with his coca cola cup and his rubber ducky
Asmon watching stardusk.....now thats a 10/10 content.
I haven't heard stardusk in years
Very unexpected, but very interesting... I wonder how this will reflect on Stardusk's channel.
Anyone who knows the stardusk name is based
Asmongold watching stardusk peak fiction
I know right now Imagine Asmongold Watching Barbarrosa it could start the apocalypse.
Amendment 13, U.S. Constitution:
"...Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States..."
The government can still enslave people convicted of a crime, but usually only for the term of their imprisonment. This was much more widespread back in the days of chain gangs, hard labor, and such.
Poop, I said 14th should have checked my sources SHIET
The system of incarceration involves due process, a legal framework, and the possibility of release or rehabilitation, unlike slavery, which is a system of permanent ownership and total deprivation of freedom and rights.
being evil is going out of your way to make sure someone suffers in some way
being self-serving is making sure you have what you want or need first and foremost
people who are altuistic but not self-serving do not last long enough to have a large impact, those who are altuistic but are self-serving make an unimaginable impact
because you cant help anyone else if you yourself cannot help yourself
but if you cannot help yourself, you can make sure everyone else comes down with you
if you are helping yourself, you are not necessarily hurting others, and sometimes, you are actually helping others by not being a burden to them, or on them
i were kinda evil at first, then just self serving. After that i noticed its kinda trashy as was the case of being evil too. Then i moved to a mixture of self serving martyric altruism and burnt myself badly. now im just helping out the people near me but im mostly like teflon. no debt taken or loan given, only deeds purely on intent of providing happiness.
The tide raises all ships. This is why capitalism is the best and only path for humanity.
_“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”_
- *Thomas Sowell*
The answer to this conundrum is morbidly simple. It isnt our responsibility to care for these countries or their people. We need lithium, they sell lithium, thats it, it isnt our fault how they got the lithium. While it would be nice if every country guaranteed rights like America, they dont, and it is unethical for us to impose our ethics on them.
Asmon reacting to stardusk? Fucking wild.
I've bought H&M shirts and clothes a bunch of times, and in about one out of ten pieces of clothing I used to find small "please help" notes tucked in the sleeves.
After the condemnation and flag bearers came about to criticize the issue, H&M sent out an apology and I haven't got another note again.
Then again, I saw undercover reports on alt-media where they investigated it - the only thing that changed is the punishment of the workers got 10x harsher lol.
So, do I care? No, not really.
i thought someone admitted to putting those notes in to spite the workplace
@@Lybrel Occam's Razer agrees with this. Activism is not inherently a bad thing but it does distort any message as it filters through their biases. I think activists are crazy and communicate poorly but I don't disdain their sincere intents.
That's terrible.
Complaints will do close to nothing. Stopping living an excessive lifestyle is the way.
In NBC's The Good Place, there was a plot point where not a single soul had entered heaven in centuries because, despite people's best efforts, even the most mundane actions they took had several repercussions in which they couldn't flee from without simply stop leading their lives. People might be aware that buying chocolate could probably be the same as funding the slave labour of children in cocoa farms but they might not be aware that the clothes they're wearing could've been made by refugees blackmailed into unpaid work. The message is that we are so dependent of taking actions that produce short term harm that we are doomed to shoulder the weight of repercussions we don't even comprehend despite trying to act selflessly.
The view that people only act on their best interest and rationalize their world views into something that fits that criteria is more of a western mentality and probably more prevalent on the gen z if we're talking about the east. In the Gundam series from 79, if a character wasn't willing to risk their life for people they barely even known, they were treated like the devil suddenly started walking the Earth and I think that summs up the traditional japanese way of thinking pretty well.
English is not my first language and I simply don't care enough about this topic to elaborate further, although there are some people that do care and I think it is a disservice to put them under the same bucket of scumbags based on generalizations that prey on the fact that people are incapable of worrying or acting upon every single issue with the world only to further the incorrect notion that they are self serving.
This video is like obama awarding himself lmao
thats a good one
100%
Obama represents low trust society
Asmongold and stardust represent high trust society.
TRUE.
"We need to understand what we ultimately are. We are animals." YES. EXACTLY! This is why it's dangerous for humans to have full freedom, because there will be chaos otherwise. No two humans are the exact same, everyone is going to have a different opinion about the same thing, therefore trusting ALL humans to live the same or with all the responsibilities of freedom is a terrible idea, because there will be those who will take advantage of certain freedoms or do chaotic things just for the sake of being chaotic because they think they can get away with it. This is why regulating things is so important and it boggles my mind that so many adults don't realize that yet. Humans NEED to be policed and need to suffer consequences when they break the trust of those freedoms given to them to keep them in line. (hence being thrown in jail when committed a crime, or certain laws being passed)
Humans can try and say how good they are but I bet you anything that if the whole world was given full freedom with no regulations or consequences the world would go up in flame.
I feel like this is what Asmon is trying to convey when he talks about regulation of things or talks about how the majority of people "don't care" about certain things because they really don't. They just like to say they do either for clout or to feel better about themselves for doing the minimum effort.
Now with that said, I'm not saying every single human is bad or doesn't care about issues in the world because there are people out there constantly and actively fighting to fix issues we still have in the world, but sadly that isn't going to be your average person with a 9-5 job or two (or three) just trying to survive the every day grind of life and likes to spend their spare time online for funsies.
This entire conversation reminds me of the Dune books. There are no heroes or Messiah, there are no good or bad people. There are only heroic moments, good and bad deeds. Your only true hero or villain will always be yourself.
what do you mean by your only true hero or villain will always be yourself?
@@ivnightclaw8663People who get immense wealth suddenly often end up worse off. That proves you can be your own worst enemy
@@alexmiller6955 yes of course. Your only in control of yourself so the statement is true. But I have looking at life so simply as good and bad
Except Duncan Idahoe...such a bro!(wink,nudge)
I'm interested as to whether you think, at the end of your life when all is said and done, do your good and bad deeds tally up in someway to objectively say that you were, in balance, a good or bad person?
Very often I feel like "this is bad", but I just brush it off because it's about people I don't know. And I know they wouldn't care if it was me in their place. A lot of that may come from my relation to society (isn't positive). At least we're aware of our shortcomings, I guess.
I wouldn't describe it as indifference, so much as the bystander effect writ large. People don't change spending habits, because one person changing wont effect the company. Deep down, they don't feel they can effect change with their wallets. People are far more likely to change immoral behavior of companies through government regulation than product boycotts, because their is far greater feedback between action and effect.
That sounds to me like indifference with more steps.
"Grimoire andys" at the end got me, thanks chatter 😂
I laughed out loud calling the Book of Mormon Dark Souls 2. That is so accurate.
*ninja flips in Magic Underwear*
I'm a Dark Souls 2 enjoyer, but that's fair.
As an ex Mormon this is accurate lmao
This argument is really good against many groups and its one that isnt really meant to down play any of their beliefs but to let them know they are not on any type of high ground.
8:36 same logic applies to the already dead chickens in the supermarket. disrespectful to let their deaths be a waste.
20:20 The 13th amendment literally says no slaves except prisoners: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction"
And having to pick cotton on land that was a former plantation (owned by one of the most cruel slave owners) for $0.02 an hour is basically slavery in my eyes. Keep in mind that a disproportionately large portion of prisoners are black.
@@thesauceguy1809lmao it's not disproportionately, they just do more crime that has prison sentences.
@@miljaardegod surely
I absolutely agree with all this. And this mindset is why I watch Asmon. He's a breath of fresh air.
Breath of wild?
@@digduck9463 baödurs gat3 3
truuuu
fresh hair
Me too dude I'm consistently Impressed by Asmongold decisiveness he gives off BDE aura some might say he has the chill alpha personality.
I am an artist and I agree. Been in games industry for 20+ years and doing well. Nobody will really care in the long run when new technology comes in. I have seen new tools change the industry and seen how some artists deem a new potential workflow as non-art. Yet to become a standard in most studios a few years later. This will be the same for AI tools. Concept art use to be purest and not use photobashing to create concepts, yet the top industry AAA concept artists now use tons of photobashing. Zbrush when it first started, I had art friends say it was just a toy and not real modeling. Then we have substance designer tools making texture procedurally and again artists thought it was not artistic enough and cheating. Well guess what now every single studio uses it pretty much. Even within a studio you get conflicts, but the decisions are made on speed and content made at certain quality while of course being less expensive. Unreal 5 tools are heavy leaning towards AI tool sets that will be the future. Artists will still be around, and you will be able to be creative. AI will become a tool we use at some point.
The only time people will care is if it affects 70% of society as a whole.
Now do I think we need some regulations for AI. I do. But it won't make artists happy imo when it is added into law. Because we have artists who just want it gone and that is not going to happen.
(In case this comment is my own opinion as of now and has potential to change also not the opinion of where I work yada yada)
I'm a bad artist and I think artists that argue the morality of AI art are simply afraid of their own inadequacies. Not to say that they are bad artists, but we all have inadequacies and it's easy to let them eat away at your self-confidence. If they are afraid of losing their job to an AI tool, they should also be afraid of being replaced by a better artist. It's much better to focus on improving and expanding your creativity. Because there's no such thing as "AI creativity." ... Not yet anyway.
Agreed. Been in Digital Art space for 10+ years and back in ‘06 my art teacher refused to accept what I did as work. I didn’t sweat it because I understood his perspective but sure enough now digital artists are all around. Tbh I found AI art to be amazing.
Its prob the impostor syndrome and market saturation.
When we compare it to sampling and synthesizers in music. They grew out during the rise of the DJ where its normal for a person to carve their identity out through how they curate other works.
And while samplings still fun, and corps abuse IP law it was probs for the best that the entire idea of IP wasnt eliminated
I think the reluctance here is that eventually whatever media folk express will just be a reflection of these models growing power, and an increasing slot machine dependency on algorithms than any aspirational vision or expression in their head.
Previous tech changes it was just you and the hardware they were never married with the data harvesting share everything norms of web 2.0 and it was easier to see your footprint.
@@poethewondercat7851as hard as it is to say this, it is true. Beyond professionally like many artists, I started since I was a kid. Many people or artists in this case want to blame the other situation vs what to do to accomplish your goals to keep being an artist. It is just avoidance of personal responsibility in some ways. Let's say AI does take over all entertainment media I will still be an artist and maybe just shift to more trad methods sure the pay might be lower than. I have many traditional artists friends who are doing well and live even less stressed lives so idk might be ok in the end. Who knows really :D But, I won't sit here being afraid of a future that has yet to even happen. I will act on it and inform myself to learn what I feel are good workflows that still give me personal artistic growth.
@@thephilosopher7173 Same and guess what those teachers eventually were replaced with industry leading teachers in the arts and the cycle will happen again and again. I am not oblivious to even the fact that one day I won't be able to keep up with the young ones lol. That is why shifting into other roles seems like a good place for a person like me starting to go into art management leadership roles where instead I can help cultivate these artists.
The whole push a button for money but someone dies was a movie in 2009 called The Box.
That was also hunterxhunter plot.
@furyberserk thanks for bringing that up, I need to rewatch HxH. It's been so long since I watched the anime I've forgotten like everything about the show other than dudes name is Gon.
@@KrayzieStiles Well i hope you didn't forget about the properties of bungee gum.
The 13th Amendment literally states: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime..."
That's why for profit labor prisons are a major industry in the south; What a coincidence.
Yea, I felt like his argument was disingenuous and/or ignorant, based on his opinion of what slavery is. Slavery can and has changed over the course of history. It has meant many things during different time periods. Modern slavery still exists in other parts of the world. They might not be pulling teeth or cutting and selling people's hair (that second part is actually still a thing in some countries like China), but these variations on what slavery is still exist in some form.
@@ToyokaX Also in china they lure peasants from the countryside into jobs where they purposely get you into debt with them, by providing compulsory housing etc, then trap them in a cycle, where they can only turn a profit by working loads of overtime. Working normal hours results in you owing them more than you make. Buying from these companies is cheaper than owning and feeding slaves in America. Slavery has just been outsourced to where we don't see it.
@@ToyokaX The system of incarceration involves due process, a legal framework, and the possibility of release or rehabilitation, unlike slavery, which is a system of permanent ownership and total deprivation of freedom and rights.
Starforge should do a pamphlet stating what kid in the child army was scarified for your new PC like they do with those charities.
44:41 - I knew it.
Not really a child army. Mostly miners.
I'd look for one with my name on it.
Lmao
@@ShiroV2matching names, like those Cola cans
Nearly every single truck driver in this country pisses in a bottle from time to time to move every single product in this country.
Amazon too.
@acutelilmint8035 Yea and Amazon is less than 5% of the overall freight in this country
It's the way of the road, Bubs, the way of the road
Fkn way she goes
Most do that because theyre on a contract and pulling in to piss costs them money. Don't get it twisted man.
My boy Asmon is a man of logic.
More like a cynic.
@@VitchAndVorty Thats part of the TH-cam Persona. Still, logical within his cynicism
@@VitchAndVorty more like realist.
Neckbeards can accumulate much wisdom.
It’s also a point to say that just because someone out there is most likely having a worse day than you are, does that take away your right to feel bad, sad, frustrated or whatever. Had a bad day at work but I am not allowed to feel frustrated because someone may have a worse job than me.
The real question is, do you think if the roles were reversed they would give two sh** about you and I?
Answer: Nope.
Even if there's a chance, can't rely on RNG.
To expand on the Joseph Kony comment. I think they'd choose the new iPhone but when confronted about it rationalise it with "well there's nothing I can do" or "we don't know for sure", "that's for their gov't", etc.
Lot's of people are aware and they adopt the usual deflections to avoid blame for participating in a process that they know harms others.
Some larger percentage might make the cost sacrifice if the evil upstream wasn't being obfuscated by corporations and govts.
You forgot another one: Even if I decline, someone else won't, so why should I decline.
@@chelovekpauk1348this. People can choose not to buy the said product but the majority will still buy it.
Slavery is being forced to work for someone against your will. Jail is forcing you to sit in a place for a number of years and do work because you BROKE A LAW. People who say jail is slavery are ridiculous and they’re liars. They just want no consequences for the bad things they do. That’s all it is.
Jail is punishment. No one gets randomly picked off the street and just gets taken to jail to work like a slave.
Exactly. If there was no laws and maybe someone stole from someone else, then I’m pretty sure that person who was stolen from would still try to seek justice in their own way and force it upon the thief
Saying “jail isn’t slavery”, with such confidence, ignores the repeated evidence of indentured servitude and the existence of the prison industrial complex. American prisons exist for profit, not rehabilitation.
I swear people just use America’s history of slavery as a bludgeon when they don’t have a place in a conversation.
Jail _is_ slavery because the amendment abolishing slavery specifically makes exceptions for jailed prisoners.
The only constant in my life is myself, why would I become a person that I would not be able to stand to exist with?
I may not know where everything is sourced from, but when I figure out, if I don't like it or support it, I stop supporting that product or service. It's not about going out of your way to be ethical and moral, it's about being able to live with yourself.
I for one, could not, If I ever would judge anyone for a choice I wouldn't make myself, then I wouldn't do it myself, simple. People that try to tell you that your a bad person because you supported a bad thing aren't people you should look at with anything other than a critical mind. Take their words, see their points, and if you agree with them, make the change you want to see.
But don't beat yourself up for making a bad choice if you didn't know, or gave in to temptation. Do your best to keep being a person you can live with, every small step will eventually lead to a big difference. If in no one else's life, but yours.
Keep at it everyone.
The thing is, a little nuance. I think people would give up their new iPhone to save a bunch of kids. The problem is, that one person giving up their iPhone is not going to change anything. So people are in a mind set "It does not matter anyways".
"...and I look like an old philosopher that lives in a hut in the woods."
I mean... it ain't a hut, but otherwise...
The jail is slavery is in reference to the need in some prisons to pay money for commissary and the only way to get that money is to work for next to no money doing manual labor for the prison.
and the wording of the 13th amendment
"people love to feel good for doing nothing"
sad but true. whats important is to recognize this when its occurring in front of you, bcuz chances are its someone posturing in order to try to take something away from you. the best reason to virtue signal isnt to ingratiate yourself to a group, its to take something from somebody you dont like; ie virtue signaling is a license to steal
The funniest part was, People telling you that you are wrong, While typing on their PCs and phones 😂
Bruh😂wouldn’t give up a damn thing
Zack is a Diogenes the Cynic of our times!
I would say he is more of a realist.
From the messy room to the brutal honesty, I didn't believe in reincarnation until this comment lmao
@@Heeroyui752 the honest question is whens last time asmongold combed his hair 😂😂😂😂😂 shit looks like birds nest half the time
He really isn't, you should actually read about Diogenes beyond watching a simple youtube short about him. Diogenes was a truly free man who didn't have any attachments or fears and anxieties and no offense to asmon but he has both attachments and fear and anxieties in droves...
They both lived in filth and never ate vegetables
There's a difference between not caring about every single moral issue and being stoic and generally uncaring.
There are some people who use stoicism as a justification for their own garbage behavior. It takes more effort to treat people with decency and dignity. You don't 'have' to but it can matter to someone you have no emotional investment in. Compassion doesn't have to be mutually beneficial or mandated.
There is also stoic people that care alot.
Not all people show and process emotion the same way. And its ok to be diffrent.
Stoicism and not caring are two opposing ideas.
In truth stoics care so much it hurts therefore they learn to withstand it through thinking about the problem and hardening their emotions for their emotions could bring their goals to an undesired end.
E.G You want to teach a kid to paint, he doesn’t not listen, you engage in emotional talk or even rage destroying the connection teacher-student. Another one is for example you are a candidate for some position of great meaning to a lot people but your rival says something that might tilt you just to make you misstep, like something personal that happened and instead of being stoic and have thought about the reality of that thing you directly feed it down the emotion pipe fueling an answer that would make you look bad even though you are in the right.
I haven't got a clue what stoic means lol
@@dwightk.schrute8696 The most simplified explanation is the ability to face Problems, pain or other hardship without expressing your discomfort or disdain in that moment.
Some mistake this for the person forcably surpressing all feelings in general, and some may actually live this way.
But the general idea is that when you need to be tough and strong for others or while something needs to be done you are.
And still show emotion in the right moments with the right people. You absolutely can be stoic/calm and still incredibly empathic and caring.
On the other hand you have alot of people that can act more expressive with emotion, and look as well as sound like they care. While either pretending or getting something out of the interaction for themselves.
So someones demeanor is zero indication if they genuenly care or not.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I was speaking as the OP but you're kinda close. Still, instead of providing distilled explanations I'd recommend people actually read some Seneca, Epictetus and my favorite Marcus Aurelius.
It’s ok and healthy to admit and accept the things that are out of your control. The most that most of us can do on a daily basis is to stay conscious that there is human suffering everywhere, to be understanding and empathetic when you encounter it, to follow your conscience to do what you can and not ignore the impulse to help where you can, and to appreciate when you aren’t suffering, or consider all the ways in which you aren’t currently suffering. Consider yourself fortunate to be able to help those around you when you can because there will inevitably be times when you will need help from others. Never underestimate the power that is inherent in giving back and being of service to your family, friends and community. That good will ripples out into the world in ways that are immeasurable.
I love your pfp.
to add the point for zack in 25:10
Deuteronomy 24:16
“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Asmon is what alpha's fear.
He's kind of like a raid boss
He's close to evolving into Asmonplatinum
Asmon is what I always thought of as alpha or rather sigma if we going by the memes.
@@wingsoffreedom3589agreed.
@@danielthecritic88 😎
I’m Catholic. The moral teachings aren’t self serving at all. Wealth, in Catholicism, is basically shamed. There are people who believe in Karma. How is that self serving?
My main problem with global slavery is that it suppresses innovation. Why invent a better digging machine when a small African child can just do it with his bare hands for half the cost?
Finally someone says it
Or like how the reason why we know why humans are 70% water is from a certain special unit from Imperial Japan that acted without morals to boost scientific progress.
Giving up on all these commodities is nigh impossible for 99% of people.
The only thing we can do is take care of our products (phone, pc, car, etc.) And use them for as long as possible until they become unfixable, also try to always fix them first instead of replacing. This way we reduce as much as possible our footprint while also not giving up on our daily commodities.
True, some people can give up some of theae commodities, but realistically they won't.
apathy spreading more apathy
I feel like the "prison is slavery" tangent was more on how the prisoners are utilized for clean up detail on roads, and making license plates.
More like a sweatshop actually but that point was never brought up so it was generalized as the whole system. But yeah not even close.
I don’t think people will hit the button ,unless they or someone else they love are under harm . Hitting a button and killing is too direct of an action. The case with smartphone users is due to processes between the collection of minerals and buying the phone.
I don't agree with the ethics/morality being the consumer's burden when it's the corporation or source that does it.
It's all hypothetical if you're not directly involved in the unethical process; you could pay 2-3x more, but you wouldn't know if Amazon employees are still pissing in bottles, or children still being put in Cony's army. And aside from not caring about hypotheticals halfway around the world, do people think the unfortunate would care if the situation were reversed?
It reminds me of Peter Singer's philosophy on ethics, that most ordinary people are evil because if there is suffering, you are morally obligated to do something about it, going so far as to say sell your car so that a homeless person can eat, but where do you draw the line? There are countless many people living in poverty, and you have finite wealth, eventually you'd come to a point where you'd be discriminatory to the next guy in line because you have nothing left to give, but you gave to everyone who came before.
It's also kinda like communism, why work harder for someone else's benefit if they're lazy and didn't work at all?
Why work at all, if you're just going to give everything away?
My philosophy is everybody should care about and work for themselves, because if they did, all the worlds problems would resolve themselves.
I have ethics/morals, lines I won't cross, but being a doormat for people isn't part of it.
Zack is right about a great many things but not everything.
Another insightsful video as always, and something you didn't mention that is very important to note is that slavery comes with the notion that people can be property. Bought, sold, and treated as objects, but even prisoners aren't owned and have rights as human beings. The prison example someone gave is incredibly misguided.
Asmon the Philosopher, spittin facts and clappin backs
This has been my favourite content ark by far. Asmon's blunt delivery is music to my ears.
Zack is a zeta level gigachad
Zetachad?
Wow…….
Omega, Epsilon gigachad.
Man 1.0. All others before are just a beta release.
Spreading theta frequency waves
My mom:
"Farmers deserve \ need more money" - I don't disagree.
Also my mom:
"What, an 1% increase on food!?!?!?!?!?! OUTRAGE!" - Where does she think the more money to the farmers would be taken from?....
Virtual signaling as long as it doesn't affect oneself indeed, and\or without realising where said virtue signaling ends up.
Case in point: how much are people willing to pay more for green energy/solutions to help solve climate change? The thing that activists miss is that no change will be coming unless you first convince people to change, and that trying to force it upon them by governments will result in backlash and regressions.
Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive for better outcomes. But to expect that masses will do this "just because" is naive. Masses move because they have a convenient or better alternative.
A lot of governments are using it to control people and raise their taxes, and businesses are just jumping on the bandwagon for marketing reasons. I really hope there are some very smart people working on more energy solutions though.
Bad example, climate change is a natural occurance. There's literally nothing people can do in that case. If anything, making changes will just end up making the world a much worse place for everyone but the one percent of the one percent.
I agree with most of what is being said here regarding the ethics of consumerism. However, I do believe the power of making changes for the greater good of our society is held in the hands of big corporations, and not the people. You can try to reduce your carbon footprint as best as you can your entire life, but it will never match, not even by a thousandth of a percent, the impact one executive at McDonald can have, simply by making an administrative change in their packaging or production methods for example. People will always go for the lowest prices, it has nothing to do with morals. That's why I think we should always hold companies ethically responsible. If doing the right thing makes their product unaffordable, well maybe they shouldn't be in business in the first place.
Unfortunately, corporations are made up of people.
Also, another truth is that some things just cannot be done in an ethical or “right” way…lots of companies throw heaps of money into R&D departments and the engineers come back and say, “we have done the math, we have brainstormed, we have theorized, and we have checked under every rock we can think of….we were unable to find an ethical solution to build this product.”
A society that values their moral framework wouldn't knowingly allow an evil organization to exist. Adam Smith wrote a book about business ethics before he wrote 'wealth of nations' that talked about the need for a moral society to keep tabs on capitalism.
What we live in is an indifferent and somewhat immoral society who doesn't look to a higher power for absolute judgment, but to paid influencers by cronies capitalist like blackrock.
The "carbon footprint" is a completely made up concept, I wouldn't even bring it up in jest.
Saying from up on high that "water is wet" to people drowning yearning for help, especially when they're warning that the the tides will keep rising, is a pretty useless normative claim. That so many people jump for this type of praise for the norm before looking where the flood is coming next and show any kind of empathy is not just ethically, but functionally proof that the way things are aren't what they ought to be. So "it is what it is" is actually a very dangerous thought terminating cliché. Because in a world where the only constant is change, always just mentioning how things are is not just useless, but unethical when someone has such large a voice. "Water is still wet!" And so is another village drowned.
Most based comment, thing is Zack is right in acknowledging how things are, and even himself admits that he wants some things to change and works towards that, but when anyone else does it it's uselss and a waste of time? Things don't change by just wishing them to, but they also don't change if all you're doing is sitting in front of your screen saying "It is what it is" to an audience of tens of thousands. At some point Zack will also have no choice but to face reality and listen to his father and step up, and he might think people don't care because he doesn't, but there are people who actually DO care and they DO the work
I agree with your point but I don't think Zack himself is ready for something like that. I think for many people that desire to change what it is happens with having kids because you don't want your kids to live in that type of world. However, Zach has constantly echoed the ideas of Sarte's existentialism in that humans make their own meaning and purpose and their life is a result of their own choices. He is also takes the idea from Sarte and others that humans are selfish and self serving by nature. Hence why for many I would argue it takes having kids to break you out of that mindset.. Now mind you looking after your kids could be argued as selfish too since they are your spawn but at least it's looking after someone else's interests for once.
Depends on what you're talking about. I think your analogy makes sense when talking about the economy or automation, but when people complain about businesses that the public is actively supporting by engaging with the product, the analogy transforms to people crying out they're drowning, not because the water levels are rising, but because they dove willingly deep in order to eat the sand at the bottom of the ocean floor.
@@WeAreOutOfWeed13 I know this might sound silly, but to many "being wrong on the internet" is seen as a death sentence. If you limit yourself to pointing to how things are, it's hard to be wrong. You dont have to step outside the normative puddle to go to the tempestuous seas of endless discussions on how the world "should" work.
@@chowdaire7343 ehhh... I dont wanna claim my metaphor to be perfect, it most definitely isnt an umbrella which can cover all types of disruption. But I do think a lot of what is coming NOW, essentially what some are dubbing the 4th Industrial Revolution, came completely out of left field to the majority of people and the displacement imminent is to the fault of none of the displaced. Though in your analogy I would still defend the saving of the people who just wanted a sandwich and ended up drowning, even if by their own lack of awareness. Ignorance and manufactured consent go hand in hand.
39:00 You've convinced me. This is how we should vote. Every city should have a coliseum, and the last political party standing wins the vote.
well good thing is Kony's army is not much of a thing anymore.
Man i remember when that whole thing had the internet in a choke hold lol.
Yeah turns out kids aren't great in combat.
Religion also helps people turn their lives around. It's the answer for addicts, criminals, and hopeless nihilists.
There's something else left to consider which few do. You can do work without these fancy gadgets made of blood and tears but you'll be at such a disadvantage relative to others that not using the gadgets or getting them cheaply enough to be practical makes little to no competitive sense. The blood cake is baked into the very system itself.
Thats fair
That's exactly the point being made, it isn't ignored.
People will only care about these issues and change for it when it does not inconvenience them. The second it does you get excuses, "Well, my phone is actually needed. My mental health will be awful without it! My PC is one of the few ways I have to connect with friends!" Etc. But these same people will expect you to give up your stuff and be inconvenienced for their morality.
A perfect example of this is Hogwarts Legacy. People talked a lot about not playing it because it was a relatively low effort thing to not play one game. But there is objectively more harm caused by buying an iPhone than buying a video game that a transphobe owns the IP for.
The beginning of atrocities against humans by humans starts with dehumanization.
Funny that’s how I found your channel like damn Thinking Ape mentioned someone I never heard of
I like both of them
It's kind of about organizing things so that a self-service has a higher chance of being beneficial to the entire group.
we just moved the slavery overseas where fewer people can see it.
No. People overseas are doing it to themselves.
@@Al-xq4ecHow?
I'd love for someone to carve Asmon in Greek philosopher style. Loose robes, holding a tome, tiny pp and all.
Stardusk (thinking ape) helped me get through what's called red pill rage better than anyone. His content is bleak but soothing. Huge fan.
Bleak 😂 “Reality is often disappointing” - Thanos
Tbh the rage is just a conflict of reality and your beliefs not mathing
“Good” is what is good for ME
damn i was hoping for this stardusk cross over but I didn't think we'd actually get it
at about 20 mins in asmongold says jail is not slavery. The government can compel the prisoners to work. The amendment that ended slavery said that slavery shall not exist except as punishment for a crime. The conditions in prison are better, but the prisoners can be compelled to work against their will.
i think it depends on the income of the customer, i make barely above minimum wage, i have to worry about myself before others, if i made loads of money i wouldnt mind paying more for ethically sourced stuff but bro i gotta worry about myself
Just admit it and move on. Your minimum wage places you higher than most of the world immediately. It's got absolutely nothing to do with your salary, just what you want, and how much you can get it for.
Talking about slavery with my friend, were both black. He’s part of the group that believes whites are bad and created the idea of slavery or indentured servitude, only being concerned about out slavery in the United States . I’m part of the group that believes slavery was a human problem and like the thumbnail states, is a humans evolved indifference that allows the self’s to only care about problems that directly affects them. I can bring up that fact that slavery was bigger historically in Asia and Africa. That it still goes on today and only western officially abolished slavery. But this argument goes right over his head. I can’t show him pictures of slaves in Africa and Asia today, and he will disregard it saying American slavery is the worst slavery to happen because, racism. Not understand that racism wasn’t a contributing factor in slavery, rather than the ability to purchase Africans from other Africans. It’s was the evolved people with gun vs the people with no guns. I asked him if we stopped buying batteries and computing devices we could stop slavery, and he answered with I like my technology. Still arguing that America is the most racist country in the world.
Biggest crossover of my life😮🎉
What's worse is people who complain when you don't do the laziest/worthless possible thing like posting a black square. Wild.
Using one instance of slavery to deny another instance of slavery doesn't work. Just because they did some things differently back in the day does not mean that is the only way to define it.
no but putting them on the same spectrum dilutes how bad slavery actually was. call things what they are by what defines them not by how you feel.
@@SarcasticData You also act like slavery was a one time in history occurrence. When it is something that has existed from the start of humanity until this day.
Slavery has an objective definition that doesn't care about the american white guilt phenom.
"People have intellectuized reality so much that they aren't even living in it anymore"
Love this, suggest more asmon videos to me
19:44 I find it fascinating that you can speak of conflict minerals, and then pretend the western world has gotten rid of slavery. No sir. We just exported it so that we do not have to look at it. But we still know about it.
People tend to often equate, even confuse, morality with intelligence. "The right thing to do", is not necessarily the smart thing to do... and vice versa.