Once you tune these trucks there insane I have a 2021 F150 3.5 eco boost with K&N drop in filters, magnaflow muffler and a 5 star E50 tune and I run 11.0 - 11.85 quarter mile time constantly witch in my opinion is pretty insane for a truck in my opinion
Andre running in the background before the GM vs GM race at 18:55. 😂😂 In all seriousness, great content all around, especially for trucks. Your content has helped me with buying decisions over the years, especially with the towing content, keep it up.
I just bought mine 3 months ago. I absolutely love it. Tons of engine power and super comfortable. I actually got a chance to use the PPO a few weeks ago when we had a power outage for several hours. It too is so impressive and worked flawless.
Ford is the best. The only thing I don't like about them is the water pump situation, that's typically why I favor Chevy, because you get more horsepower stock without the turbos too.
@@Zkgod24 i feel like after covid they've been having some quality issues, some mis matched parts they had to substitute here and there. Some of their ecoboost engines haven't been particularly successful as there are a shit load of different ones now. But as for the main ones like the 3.5 and 2.7, 300k mile engines. The ecoboost engines are totally reliant on good maintenance, there is 0 room for overdue fluid changes as they are basically high performance racing engines..
I don't understand why the run them in 4wd for these test. They act like they are testing 1000 hp trucks that have to be in 4wd to hook up. These people doing these test are not the smartest people
Even though truck drag racing isn’t important, it’s still cool. That being said, we all knew this outcome before the video started. Driving around town without a trailer is fun when another truck pulls up next to you.
The lower trims may be faster but literally all that means is that they’re faster. Doesn’t mean it can tow or haul more, doesn’t mean it’s better off road, doesn’t mean the interior is as livable for road trips etc…
@@calebnation6155 actually lower times can tow and haul more. My Platinum has a payload of of 1,318 lbs vs an XLT with a payload of 1650 lbs. That also effects the total amount towable. All those max numbers (payload, towing, mpg) manufacturers put out are gathered from their lightest trucks. Add weight via options a d it takes away from towing and payload.
Even though I am a 35 year now retired Toyota Master Tech, I have been a Ford truck guy since I bought a used 89 2wd F150 in 1990. It was an inline 300 6 cyl. It was a decent truck even if only with the 300 and man trans. In 92, I traded it in for an F250 4wd with a 351M, auto. I lost that in my divorce in 2004. I then bought a 2004 F250 Xcab 4x4 longbed with the infamous 6.0 diesel, I never had an issue with it at all. I now have an 2018 F-150 4x4 with the 5.0. I love it! I had an SCT BDX tune on it in POWER mode (high test fuel only) until the fuel prices went way up. Near 80 more HP and 120 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpm! It was breathtaking. I owned muscle cars back in the day, and the performance with that tune on it was amazing. FORD trucks are the BEST!
I'd like to see a Powerboost go up against a 3.5 ecoboost. The Powerboost is obviously rated for more hp/torque, but without the weight of the battery pack/electric motors the non-hybrid has a significant weight advantage. According to the ford site my '22 Lariat weighs over 650lbs less than the Powerboost. Great video guys!
@@davidespitia186 - I like the Coyote, but it’s the slowest except for the 3.3. Base motor. That’s near sea level. Higher up like these guys are would mean it will be about the same as the Chevy 6.2 litre. Sorry, that’s just the way it is. I have had the Coyote and it feels great and is no slouch,,,,, there just really are not any “slow” full size trucks out there!! The fun truck that may surprise everyone, not unlike the F150 2.7 EcoBoost, would be a GM 2.7 4 cylinder. 310 hp and 420 lb ft of torque!!! Weight savings and that torque is developed wayyy down in the rpm’s. Diesel like launch with more hp for AFTER 60 mph,,,,,,. Be fun to see. There are sooo many match ups that would be fun!! The Coyote vs the GM 6.2 would be very close!!
@@garys2157 - I didn’t see that one, but they really are close. I actually like the way the Toyota manages towing vs the Ford in the non-hybrid models,,,, that and I have the Ford!! Haha. Gotta be as objective as possible. If they suit your need, either truck is great!! I love the GM diesel and have a Tahoe DuraMax. It gets fantastic fuel economy and is a very nice driving vehicle,,,,, I have to use a small gel pad for the seats though. They are just too flat and hard on the bottom. That pad takes away the pain in my back and arse!! My F150 Tremor is much more comfortable in the seating department. I wish the Tahoes had the new truck dash,,,,, it would be nearly perfect then!! Still love it mind you. Just finished about 3700kms of driving in both vehicles,,,, road trip for some friends that helped me in the past while I was I’ll. Took them fishing on the west coast of Vancouver Island,,,, 6 guys (including me) and 2 ladies, all friends. It was a great experience!! The Tahoe was the favourite except for the seats. It’s quiet and just east up the miles. The fuel was more expensive per litre for it, but in the end it was still cheaper by a couple of hundred bucks approximately. Paid as high as $2.26/litre cad or $8.70/us gallon ($6.85 USD/US gallon gas) $2.45/litre of diesel!! $9.43 CAD/US gallon ($7.42 usd per US gallon!!!) fuel is expensive here in Canada, especially in the province of BC. Anyways,,,,,, I get distracted,,,, hahaha. Stay safe, Eh!
The powerboost crushes a raptor in a race. The trx crushes it though so for now the powerboost is the 2nd fastest truck atm. But the type R will crush the powerboost I'm sure.
Guys these videos have become epic now with this new race strip/track. Keep them coming. And best part is the conversations inside the trucks when one is pulling on the other. Gotta love the passion.
I think this a testament to how much N/A engines are effected by altitude in Florida a 6.2 trailboss run around 14.80s in the 1/4 and absolutely destroys the 3.0 duramax. But at this elevation they are equal.
Yep, it is amazing. It’s even moreso apparent when flying small N/A aircraft, when what was spirited performance at 2000 ft. turns into just about nothing at 12000 feet.
How times have changed. I remember in the 2000’s that the F150 was toward the bottom of the bunch compared to the Titan, Tundra, Ram & Silverado when it came to quarter mile times.
Love theses 1/4 mile race's. I am a Tundra fan but so disappointed in the Hybrid performance and the mpg test. That 3.0L Duramax is going to be the next legend engine.
I agree. I waited for the new tundra, after mine was totaled 3 years ago. Very disappointed that the MPG wasn't improved more, as I will be towing a camper. Duramax for me, but I am waiting for the 2023s now as they are replacing the current Duramax 3.0
Please test the latest 6.2 from GM and the 5.0 from Ford against these hybrid and diesel trucks at sea level. Many of us don’t live a mile above sea level and the naturally aspirated engines get choked of oxygen up there. Would be very interesting to see how they stack up performance wise at much lower elevation. Keep up the great work! You guys are top notch!!
I think the fact that the 3.0 duramax and the 6.2 are running the same 1/4 mile times is a testament to how much N/A engines are effected. 6.2 trailboss in Florida runs around 14.80s in the 1/4 mile.
@Jebus Hypocristos I’m twenty years old so I’m no grandpa. When gas is $2-$3 a gallon the cost of electric doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. When US production of oil was cut back/stopped this administration simply created an energy crisis. Many low to mid income people/families don’t have $50k+ to go buy a decent electric car or truck. So no as of right now electric does not win all the time and especially on cost. Also as far as performance is concerned. You could buy a much cheaper 5.0 like I did and simply get the dealer to install a Roush or Whipple supercharger. With 700 hp on tap with a Ford warranty you are hitting 60 nearly a second faster than the lightning and you can actually get your hands on one. Even with a well equipped truck for around 50-60k with spending an additional 7-8k and you are saving at least 10-20k compared to a similarly equipped lightning or powerboost. For that you get better performance and range that is actually better than 250 miles on the fully electric. Our Secretary of Energy and many in this administration are invested with stocks in green energy so they are happy to make ice as expensive as possible. We need to open our eyes. They don’t care if it hurts lower and mid income.
@@reidsgarage1100 wow! I am impressed! You sound way older, more mature, and more informed than most twenty year olds! Not to mention you’re on the right side of politics which is rare for someone of your generation. 👍👍
I worked at a dealership delivering and cleaning trucks, the power boosts were definitely the fastest, nicest, most fun half tons. 10 speed power strokes were also very quick, but they feel like you’re driving a locomotive. The instant torque of the power boost is ridiculous. Not surprised when it kicked everyone’s arse
@@pryme2013, gear ratio’s don’t make as much of a difference nowadays with ten speed transmission. Besides, 3.31 gears is the only gear ratio available on the new generation Tundra’s.
@@stang-rv4pb false on both counts. and full disclosure i dont own either of these trucks. it doesn't matter how many gears a trans has, the ratio applies to all of the gears whether its 5 speed or 10 speed. the higher ratio shortens all the gears and provides better acceleration, and vice versa for a lower ratio. Shorter gears and faster acceleration also builds boost in the turbos more quickly. The benefit of a lower ratio is a higher *theoretical* top speed and lower engine RPMs at a given cruising speed. hence why Toyota went with the lower ratio - lower cruising RPMs on the highway for better fuel economy. Not saying that's what truck owners want, just the reality of how Toyota does things. The fact there is no alternate gear ratio option for the Tundra doesn't eliminate the fact that the Ford still benefited from its own higher gear ratio in the acceleration figures. That's not comparing apples to apples.
@@Kenny31190 it is comparing apples to apples, because both truck’s were equipped with the highest (numerical) available gear ratio’s. My point is that rear end gear ratios aren’t everything, transmissions gear ratios also have an effect on final combined gear ratio’s. The previous Tundra had an available 4.30 rear end gear ratio, yet it had considerably slower acceleration then the current model. The previous generation Tundra’s had lower (numerical) transmission gear ratio’s, compared to the F150, but with the 4.30 rear end ratio, the final combined ratios were similar. I’m not aware of what the transmission gear ratio’s are on the current generation Tundra, with the new ten speed.
That was an awesome series of drag races. What I am most impressed with is the baby Duramax it was was nipping at their heels of the 6.2 L!It would smoked a 5.3 L.We all knew the power boost was gonna win it’s just a monster and no off-road tires.The tundra really loses a lot on the big end….
I think the PowerBoost still wins but a 3.73 rear end vs 3:31 in the Pro is a significant advantage if the trans ratios are fairly equal . I admit I haven’t looked up the trans ratios .
The GM 3.0L Duramax and the Ford Powerboost are both very impressive setups. No way should the Duramax have been that close with the claimed numbers Toyota advertises. Which... I mean look I get Toyota dudes just buy Toyotas and don't even bother comparing to the competition. But as an outsider that new Tundra just continues to disappoint me. Off-road truck without recovery hooks? Fail. Barely faster than a diesel with nearly 200hp less? Fail. No high output onboard generator like Ford's hybrid? Fail. No auto 4WD transfer case? Fail. No fuel economy gain from hybrid? Fail. Its like... they had all this time and the best they could do is get to 90% of the competition. And it doesn't even seem like the new Tundra will continue the reliability of the old.
100%. You hit all the reasons why the Tundra missed the mark. The 4Auto thing really is terrible. Especially because Toyota has the lockable Torsen center differential that they have been using in the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Lexus GX and 4Runner for 20 years. That transfer case is probably the single best feature in my Lexus GX and it performs much better than the 4Auto case in my F150. The tundra with that setup would have awesome. And seriously, the lack of generator makes me not even consider their hybrid. The generator is the only reason I would buy a Powerboost.
Regarding the two hybrids; not surprising the Ford won since it's engine is larger bore & shorter stroke than the longer stroked but smaller bore Toyota.
I think you did it about spot on as you could. Would be interesting to see a stock ecoboost. Id like to see the new ones with a 5star tune their pretty ridiculous over stock
Ford did it first and Ford did it best, as usual Toyota copies Ford and still can't compete. Funny how the Tundra was brand new 4 months ago and it's already behind Ford, GM and Ram but hey at least it has a cheap light bar and camouflage.
The tundra run 2 races before taking on the powerboost, could that have affected its performance. I don't know how battery power drops after such drag races though.
Off road vs on road package, 87 vs 91 octane on turbo. Need a Limited or Platinum on Tundra hybrid without off road package to match the weight, also run 1/4 to 1/3 twice the premium fuel then race it against the F150
The 3.5L ecoboost runs on regular 87 or 93 premium. It makes more HP on 93 just like the 3.5L Tundra. I'm assuming TFL had the same grade fuel in each of those trucks. Getting a Limited Hybrid Tundra isn't available yet I don't believe but even so, it won't make up THAT much difference. The F150 powerboost is a rocket ship of a truck.
Yeah you’re going to be slower driving all 4 wheels vs just the rears. Looks the the Powerboost will beat the Tundra even traction was equal as it just kept walking away from the Tundra.
"Toyota refers to its new engines as "3.5L" when in reality the engines displace 3,445 cubic centimeters. Basic math rules would dictate that this figure be rounded down to 3.4L. However, as Toyota representatives freely admit, rounding up to 3.5L is better for marketing. It's likely we have Ford to blame, or thank, for this, as the company has been successfully marketing a 3.5L twin-turbo V-6 for a decade." Technically the Ford 3.5L Ecoboost is also a 3.4L. It is 3.496L, but it is rounded up as well. Not a true 3.5L. It only matters to those who obsess over it.
I understand what he means, when he says "bracket race", but bracket racing, in drag racing terms, is so much different than what they are doing here. Also, Ford seems to have maximized their engine powerbands, and their transmission gearing, perfectly.
"tHe tRd pRo WiLl BeAt ThE F150" they said. Now Toyota fanboys are oddly quiet/absent in the comments. Powerboost F150 smoked the TRD Pro Tundra and it wasn't even close lol.
Remember when everyone was saying it wasn't fair when they were drag racing the regular Tundra against the powerboost? Well, I am pretty sure the Tundra hybrid might actually be slower than the regular one.
After 4 f 150s I bought I tundra TRD pro I love the truck and wanted something different. That being said the f150 is a better truck hands down . Usability and build quality is better
You guys should get ahold of a 2.7 ho silverado would be curious how that does against some of these with 430 lbs of torque an the way lighter weight I mean it wouldn't beat the Toyota or Ford turbo motors but it might give some of the v8s a run for their money .
@@davidwelsh829 it's Chevys 2.7 4 cylinder turbo I have a lease on one an I gotta say it's impressive don't know if I'd buy it but for a lease it's perfect
most of these trucks have a 4.7 first gear ratio. most cars in the 60 had 3 speed and 3.0 first. keep in mind there where plenty of cammed old buick ford dodges and chevys running 10s with racing slicks on pump gas. but i think most muscle cars of the 60 would struggle to turn 14s at a mile above sea level on street tires of the day
@@jeffforbes70 actually most fast cars of the 60s ran a 4 speed manual with a 1 to 1 final drive and 3.23 axle ratios. Cars also weighed less a big block 396 camaro only weighs around 3250 and that's with a 800lb big block.
@@fl_atv_riders4455 for the ratios i was referring to first gear. but as andre has found getting traction in a rear wheel drive car takes skill. all wheel drive makes it easy
I'd like to see a Tundra/King Ranch re-match once someone invariably comes out with something to keep those twin turbos on the Tundra from limiting the boost to ~10 PSI. I'd love to see what it can do with ~12
Fun entertaining video as usual from the TFL team. I did have a thought though. Is it possible the Tundra was a little bit slower when it finally went up against the F-150 hybrid? The battery in both vehicles are in the 1 KW range right? Possibly depleting most of the battery without much time to recharge in between races? Just a thought. Maybe behind the scenes you guys were monitoring the battery status of both trucks?
The Tundra Hybrid is just slower. Not a bad thing as it’s still very fast. Toyota seems to have it shifting at different points (especially noticeable in the towing videos) and mist likely for greater longevity. They have a reputation they are trying to keep, especially for being long lived trucks, and they are just protecting the powertrain more to keep that reputation alive. A worthwhile trade. They tow very well. This all being said when I am a Ford guy,,,,,,. The small camper I haul in my current F150 Tremor wouldn’t fit in the Tundras though. The Tundras, for some strange reason, only have a 49” space between the rear wheel wells. Eliminates a lot of truck campers.
I am a little surprised that the Toyota lost to the ford given the fact it has more power and Toyota clearly targeted the power boost when they developed their engine. It wouldn't surprise me because of how long the eco boost engines have been around ford's had time to really dial it in and maximize the capability of the power boost engine when it launched last year since it's a 3.5 eco boost paired with an electric motor which gave them the edge.
Part of the difference is that Toyota is trying hard to save the reliability image, especially long term, so they have tuned the motor for that. It’s a great towing motor though. I think in the Tundra, the more bang for the buck comes from the non-hybrid versions. As for Ford, I had the PowerBoost and loved it, but now drive the F150 Tremor with the 3.5 non-Hybrid and it’s more than enough for me!! I like the off-road drivability and the Torsen front differential. I kept the 2.0. Kw Pro Power Onboard as I haul a small truck camper on the Tremor and love the convenience and access to Air Conditioning!! Haha. 400hp and 430 lb ft of torque with about 70% of that torque available at 1200 rpm,,,,,, is still a really fast truck!!! Fuel economy is fair as well, but definitely not as good as the PowerBoost.
@@allentoyokawa9068 - I know soo much more than you apparently. The Camry was a nightmare for Toyota when they released the 3.5 initially. If you own a 2.5 4 cylinder, you WILL have to redo the head, of course Toyota is the only truck company ever to have a recall on all of their trucks to “replace the entire frame due to imminent structural failure due to corrosion”. But hey,,,,, yeah,,,,, sure they “are” reliable. My 2014 Tundra was unfortunately a lemon and the worst truck I have owned in the last 44 years,,,,. We don’t have lemon laws here in Canada so I had to put up with it until a Toyota Tech bought it from me thinking I was full of it and abusing the truck (initially it was my dream truck purchase I finally had done it,,,,, then it started stranding me, I still babied the truck more than any prior or since). He learned quickly when he was stranded with us in the middle of nowhere while off-roading. I went home with my F150 I bought to replace the Tundra, picked up my vehicle trailer, my buddies had dragged the Toyota out of the woods by then, so I loaded it up and hauled it to his shop!! Hahaha. He now drives a F150 PowerBoost while still working as a Toyota Tech!! Heh heh. Say what you want. Toyotas are great vehicles, but they are no where nearly as reliable as they used to be and that myth has been dying for a long long time now. Do a little research “objectively” not with fanboy goggles on. I have owned well over 200 trucks in my lifetime and had just over 100 F150s. Mostly work trucks for the Ranch or tire shop, so they were worked hard. I have never been stranded by an F150, but was 4 times by my Tundra, understandably it was a lemon and not a fair representation of typical Tundras, but it was still a problem Toyota and the dealership was a pain in the arse to deal with. Over 100 trucks each with 70,000 to about 150,000 hard miles on them. Some were never even registered for on road use as they were 100% off-road on the ranch! Sorry to burst your bubble. At the same time, I KNOW Ford has produced some problem F150s, especially the 5.0 2017 - 2019, but it was still only a portion of the trucks failing due to a supplier issue,,,, the very large vast majority of owners never had problems even with those trucks. You can say the same for GM and the new Ram,,,,,.
@@shitloveaduck i mean you can't claim you had several F150s and not one broke considering almost every 5.4 triton V8 has went caboom. Early ecopoops were known for being problematic. Hell, even ford was drilling holes in intercoolers to try to get around issues. Frame rot on Tundra was neglect on both Dana who built the frames and consumers and it was only in the salty areas. I mean I see big burly semi trucks with frame rot that are only a few years old. If you don't wash your salty frame, it'll rot. But aside from that, im more interested in the causes of why your horribly unreliable Tundra left you stranded.
@@DieselDog1982 Here is what Toyota says about this recall: “Toyota is conducting a safety recall involving certain 2022 model year Tundra (including HEV) vehicles in the U. S. Approximately 46,000 vehicles are involved in this recall. Vehicles in this recall have certain nuts on the rear axle assembly that can loosen over time, and, in some cases, fall off, potentially causing an axle shaft sub-assembly to separate from the axle. If complete separation occurs, this can affect vehicle stability and brake performance, increasing the risk of a crash.“
I’m really curious if you threw a performance tune on that diesel how close it could be to those hybrids?? I know it’s a different generation of diesel tech but my old 7.3 powerstroke is nearly twice as fast and powerful with just a “race” tune and basic bolt on’s.
@@vincentlee9638 ya that’s kinda what I thought, the older (2000’s era) turbo diesel’s we’re definitely a ton easier to tune/open up legally. My 99 7.3 passes emissions every year on the stock tune even with turbo back exhaust (with cat), fuel mods and stage 2 CAI. It’s unfortunate the same can’t be done with these newer diesels.
No its not. When you have 10 speeds the rear axle ratio is almost meaningless once you are out of first gear. And in one of the races the Toyota gets out ahead at the beginning and then the Powerboost still pulls on it hard. The Powerboost is simply making more power and might be a little bit lighter. Even though the Powerboost is rated for less HP, there are a ton of dyno's out there showing them putting down 380+ hp to the wheels, so its making more power than they say.
The F150 was over a second quicker and 10 MPH faster in the quarter mile, that's power. No amount of gearing would come close to making up that difference.
Hard to believe Ford has been using the EB engine for over 10 years and it’s still kicking every body’s butt. The GM 3.0 DMax is a good engine but if you do your research it’s a maintenance and repair nightmare.
@@cplb the engine’s timing parts are in the back not the front. It also has a timing belt not a chain which requires a replacement every 150,000 miles. In order to do it the transmission has to be removed. Meaning a routine maintenance procedure is going to be well over $1k.
@@terrencejones9817 Google is your friend. The timing belt is oil soaked and runs the oil pump also but it’s not a timing chain it’s a timing belt. And paying over a grand for routine maintenance is a big deal. Driving the average number of miles per year means you will be spending big bucks for maintenance on a 10+ year old truck. However most people won’t bother with it it and you’ll start seeing the engines having catastrophic failures simply from lack of maintenance. It’s a serious design problem IMO.
@@khakiswag Take your own advice. The belt is the Oil pump drive. NOT the timing chain. I also don't need google. I work for GM and I can see the engine diagrams for myself. It's not a big deal to change the oil pump drive belt. Stop believing everything you read online.
Good flic, as always, fun to watch. That said, you left the Ram out of this competition I'm guessing because of the same ole ho hum 5.7 hemi. But combine the ole hemi with the 3:92 axle ratio in auto 4x4 mode, and it just may have the ummph off the line to do pretty well. Now that said, over many years I've had my share of new trucks. Half tons and three quarter tons from Chevy, Ford, and now a 2020 Ram that I'm more than impressed with. I've never bought a new truck to drag race or to plug an electric griddle in. As a matter of fact, if I remember right, and i do, the Ram 5.7Hemi did pretty well going up the Ike Gauntlet. I'd like to see a real world working competition like snow plowing, hauling shingles, etc. Real work for real trucks. In the real world, spending $70,000 plus for a truck won't be just for drag racing. How about a "best bang for the buck" truck for a working man with a family? In the mean time, go ahead and power up your house with the F150 so that 2 hours later both the house and the truck will be dead. Go ahead and plug your electric griddle into the F150 and cook your pancakes. My Ram and I have some serious work to do.
F150 is a beast! 14.6 at high elevation is impressive. Wouldn’t surprise me to see it run 13.9 or quicker at sea level.
Once you tune these trucks there insane I have a 2021 F150 3.5 eco boost with K&N drop in filters, magnaflow muffler and a 5 star E50 tune and I run 11.0 - 11.85 quarter mile time constantly witch in my opinion is pretty insane for a truck in my opinion
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@@allentoyokawa9068 Thank you for your great knowledgeable input there, now run along back to the playground with the other 7 yearolds.
@@Justaeuropeanman That IS impressive
How did 5-star tune a 2021?
Andre running in the background before the GM vs GM race at 18:55. 😂😂 In all seriousness, great content all around, especially for trucks. Your content has helped me with buying decisions over the years, especially with the towing content, keep it up.
I could have sworn that was a Sasquatch caught in 4K
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I saw tom cruise running . Nothing else
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@@Silverback_GMT410 that was my gut reaction. Well played
Race starts at 10:23
I’m getting more impressed by that Ford hybrid setup. The Pro Power feature is really cool too.
I love my Poerboost! Nothing to complain about, and I've had it since Oct of last year.
I just bought mine 3 months ago. I absolutely love it. Tons of engine power and super comfortable. I actually got a chance to use the PPO a few weeks ago when we had a power outage for several hours. It too is so impressive and worked flawless.
Ford is the best. The only thing I don't like about them is the water pump situation, that's typically why I favor Chevy, because you get more horsepower stock without the turbos too.
It’s not . My gmc has it to. F150 is for people with bad credit who don’t know anything about trucks so they buy one cuz everyone else has one
Now that Ford has spent more than a decade refining their ecoboost engines everyone else has serious catching up to do.
And ford has some serious catching up to do with reliability😭
@@Zkgod24 i feel like after covid they've been having some quality issues, some mis matched parts they had to substitute here and there. Some of their ecoboost engines haven't been particularly successful as there are a shit load of different ones now. But as for the main ones like the 3.5 and 2.7, 300k mile engines. The ecoboost engines are totally reliant on good maintenance, there is 0 room for overdue fluid changes as they are basically high performance racing engines..
Ford is so advanced, Toyota copied the power train to a tee 😅
@@Zkgod24the tundra's reliability is far worst than the f150
@@tunedbyeazy3538 no way lol.
The extra drag of the transfer case being in 4hi absolutely makes a difference. Run them again in 2x
I don't understand why the run them in 4wd for these test. They act like they are testing 1000 hp trucks that have to be in 4wd to hook up. These people doing these test are not the smartest people
your crappy tundra got smoked bad...learn to live with it
The diesel isn’t built for drag racing, but that’s the one I prefer. That 3.0 is a wonderful engine …
Also i believe you will get the best mpg
@@ahmadmohd8595 pb on mine is 34 mpg one tank. Normal highway(75 mph) is 28.5 very consistently. I have a hwy Michelin tire as well. The LtX
@@robertwotring7318 Are you absolutely babying it to get 28.5 or is it normal driving with passing slower cars and normal driving behavior?
@@SkinnySkinch Normal. Posted speed limit 75 on I10. Cruising 75. I’ve gotten more. Winds are the big factor on the highway for me.
@@SkinnySkinch lifetime average is 22.0, but 50% of the miles have Been towing 5300+ pounds. Before the long tow trip, 26.0 was the running average.
These videos are just fun. Thanks guys.
New Guy is learning this on-air thing. Kudos.
New guy? Lol
Thank you for the kind words.
I think what really helped the F-150 in the quarter was the 373 gears, that my friend is what will make great time in the quarter compared to the 331
That high elevation changes things for sure. Diesel was the most surprising showing. Little duramax shows it’s got enough pep.
What is the elevation? They never brought it up.
@@andyh8239 I believe they’re a mile or so above sea level.
@@andyh8239 they do in every other video, 5900ft at this track I believe
A testament to the advancement in full sized trucks in the passed 10 years.
Love my Powerboost, but the biggest lesson I got from this video is that my guy Andre runs quite awkwardly 😆. 18:55
Even though truck drag racing isn’t important, it’s still cool. That being said, we all knew this outcome before the video started. Driving around town without a trailer is fun when another truck pulls up next to you.
These races prove the more you spend doesn't mean better. The lower trim levels will get the job done. Great job guys!
can’t really call a king ranch a lower trim level, it’s up there in price with the rest of them
Best looking interior tbh.
Lower trim levels are quicker due to them weighing less. I love my '21 Powerboost Platinum.
The lower trims may be faster but literally all that means is that they’re faster. Doesn’t mean it can tow or haul more, doesn’t mean it’s better off road, doesn’t mean the interior is as livable for road trips etc…
@@calebnation6155 actually lower times can tow and haul more. My Platinum has a payload of of 1,318 lbs vs an XLT with a payload of 1650 lbs. That also effects the total amount towable. All those max numbers (payload, towing, mpg) manufacturers put out are gathered from their lightest trucks. Add weight via options a d it takes away from towing and payload.
Even though I am a 35 year now retired Toyota Master Tech, I have been a Ford truck guy since I bought a used 89 2wd F150 in 1990. It was an inline 300 6 cyl. It was a decent truck even if only with the 300 and man trans. In 92, I traded it in for an F250 4wd with a 351M, auto. I lost that in my divorce in 2004. I then bought a 2004 F250 Xcab 4x4 longbed with the infamous 6.0 diesel, I never had an issue with it at all. I now have an 2018 F-150 4x4 with the 5.0. I love it! I had an SCT BDX tune on it in POWER mode (high test fuel only) until the fuel prices went way up. Near 80 more HP and 120 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpm! It was breathtaking. I owned muscle cars back in the day, and the performance with that tune on it was amazing. FORD trucks are the BEST!
Tundra passenger: hey this V8 sounds awesome! Roll down the windows so I can really hear that V8 roar!
Tundra driver: turns up volume on the radio
Toyota learned that from Ford's ecoboost...
I'd like to see a Powerboost go up against a 3.5 ecoboost. The Powerboost is obviously rated for more hp/torque, but without the weight of the battery pack/electric motors the non-hybrid has a significant weight advantage. According to the ford site my '22 Lariat weighs over 650lbs less than the Powerboost. Great video guys!
Vs a coyote too. Would be nice to see
@@davidespitia186 - I like the Coyote, but it’s the slowest except for the 3.3. Base motor. That’s near sea level. Higher up like these guys are would mean it will be about the same as the Chevy 6.2 litre. Sorry, that’s just the way it is. I have had the Coyote and it feels great and is no slouch,,,,, there just really are not any “slow” full size trucks out there!! The fun truck that may surprise everyone, not unlike the F150 2.7 EcoBoost, would be a GM 2.7 4 cylinder. 310 hp and 420 lb ft of torque!!! Weight savings and that torque is developed wayyy down in the rpm’s. Diesel like launch with more hp for AFTER 60 mph,,,,,,. Be fun to see.
There are sooo many match ups that would be fun!! The Coyote vs the GM 6.2 would be very close!!
Think C&D had them test pretty much even in numbers.
@@garys2157 - I didn’t see that one, but they really are close. I actually like the way the Toyota manages towing vs the Ford in the non-hybrid models,,,, that and I have the Ford!! Haha. Gotta be as objective as possible. If they suit your need, either truck is great!! I love the GM diesel and have a Tahoe DuraMax. It gets fantastic fuel economy and is a very nice driving vehicle,,,,, I have to use a small gel pad for the seats though. They are just too flat and hard on the bottom. That pad takes away the pain in my back and arse!! My F150 Tremor is much more comfortable in the seating department. I wish the Tahoes had the new truck dash,,,,, it would be nearly perfect then!! Still love it mind you. Just finished about 3700kms of driving in both vehicles,,,, road trip for some friends that helped me in the past while I was I’ll. Took them fishing on the west coast of Vancouver Island,,,, 6 guys (including me) and 2 ladies, all friends. It was a great experience!! The Tahoe was the favourite except for the seats. It’s quiet and just east up the miles. The fuel was more expensive per litre for it, but in the end it was still cheaper by a couple of hundred bucks approximately. Paid as high as $2.26/litre cad or $8.70/us gallon ($6.85 USD/US gallon gas) $2.45/litre of diesel!! $9.43 CAD/US gallon ($7.42 usd per US gallon!!!) fuel is expensive here in Canada, especially in the province of BC.
Anyways,,,,,, I get distracted,,,, hahaha.
Stay safe, Eh!
The powerboost crushes a raptor in a race. The trx crushes it though so for now the powerboost is the 2nd fastest truck atm. But the type R will crush the powerboost I'm sure.
Toyota may have fudged the power and torque numbers just a little on the new Tundra lol!
Toyota: making overhyped, underwhelming junk for 70 years now.
It probably comes down to factory tuning. Toyota probably tuned for higher mpg while Ford aimed for more power output.
@@darkdodger137 might need a peddle colander
@@darkdodger137 yup Toyota usually prioritizes fuel efficiency even if it’s a “performance” oriented engine
It is a heavier truck lol. The power is very similar.
Guys these videos have become epic now with this new race strip/track. Keep them coming. And best part is the conversations inside the trucks when one is pulling on the other. Gotta love the passion.
"The only truck here not pretending to be an offroader"!
Best line ever!!
Yet we see them in other videos testing the Toyota in off-road settings and bragging about how good it is.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or yeah that horse power and torque, just put bigger tires on it and it's offroad for sure..
Chase should do all your ads, has perfect voice for it!!!
An ICE truck breaking well into the 14s at elevation is pretty damn impressive.
definitely. helps that it has electric motors and turbos to help with the elevation problem
I think this a testament to how much N/A engines are effected by altitude in Florida a 6.2 trailboss run around 14.80s in the 1/4 and absolutely destroys the 3.0 duramax. But at this elevation they are equal.
What it running 0-60 ? I've got a 6.2l Trail Boss too. Love it so far, I'm not going to push it yet with only 1k on it.
@@ES44AC-2 I honestly have no idea it was at a drag strip they only do time in distance 60fts were all horrible because it was only launched in 2wd
Yep, it is amazing. It’s even moreso apparent when flying small N/A aircraft, when what was spirited performance at 2000 ft. turns into just about nothing at 12000 feet.
@@ES44AC-2 good idea.
Would be cool to see a towing drag race between them, both at altitude and at something lower to sea level.
How times have changed. I remember in the 2000’s that the F150 was toward the bottom of the bunch compared to the Titan, Tundra, Ram & Silverado when it came to quarter mile times.
I've got one for a daily driver 02' ford v8. It is SLOW gets 7-10 mpg highway.
5:25 "HDMI exhaust" 😂 Love it.
Love theses 1/4 mile race's. I am a Tundra fan but so disappointed in the Hybrid performance and the mpg test. That 3.0L Duramax is going to be the next legend engine.
I agree. I waited for the new tundra, after mine was totaled 3 years ago. Very disappointed that the MPG wasn't improved more, as I will be towing a camper. Duramax for me, but I am waiting for the 2023s now as they are replacing the current Duramax 3.0
3.0 Duramax is already not recommened by Consumer Reports for poor reliability.
@@benjaminwayneb Consumer reports is a joke. The new tundra is plagued with issues. I’ll take the duramax and I’m a Toyota guy.
@@benjaminwayneb that’s a joke consumer reports are nothing against real world reports and that engine hasn’t had problems like the new tundra has had
@@benjaminwayneb Interesting, considering the 5.3 and 6.2 are smoking motors because of bad lifters.
Please test the latest 6.2 from GM and the 5.0 from Ford against these hybrid and diesel trucks at sea level. Many of us don’t live a mile above sea level and the naturally aspirated engines get choked of oxygen up there. Would be very interesting to see how they stack up performance wise at much lower elevation. Keep up the great work! You guys are top notch!!
I think the fact that the 3.0 duramax and the 6.2 are running the same 1/4 mile times is a testament to how much N/A engines are effected. 6.2 trailboss in Florida runs around 14.80s in the 1/4 mile.
@@fl_atv_riders4455 yeah you’ve mentioned that about the pos gmc a few times guy 🤣 still won’t beat a ford either way.
@Jebus Hypocristos I’m twenty years old so I’m no grandpa. When gas is $2-$3 a gallon the cost of electric doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. When US production of oil was cut back/stopped this administration simply created an energy crisis. Many low to mid income people/families don’t have $50k+ to go buy a decent electric car or truck. So no as of right now electric does not win all the time and especially on cost. Also as far as performance is concerned. You could buy a much cheaper 5.0 like I did and simply get the dealer to install a Roush or Whipple supercharger. With 700 hp on tap with a Ford warranty you are hitting 60 nearly a second faster than the lightning and you can actually get your hands on one. Even with a well equipped truck for around 50-60k with spending an additional 7-8k and you are saving at least 10-20k compared to a similarly equipped lightning or powerboost. For that you get better performance and range that is actually better than 250 miles on the fully electric. Our Secretary of Energy and many in this administration are invested with stocks in green energy so they are happy to make ice as expensive as possible. We need to open our eyes. They don’t care if it hurts lower and mid income.
@Jebus Hypocristos how old you? 16? There was no need for a jerk off comment here kid! Grow up
@@reidsgarage1100 wow! I am impressed! You sound way older, more mature, and more informed than most twenty year olds! Not to mention you’re on the right side of politics which is rare for someone of your generation. 👍👍
I worked at a dealership delivering and cleaning trucks, the power boosts were definitely the fastest, nicest, most fun half tons. 10 speed power strokes were also very quick, but they feel like you’re driving a locomotive. The instant torque of the power boost is ridiculous. Not surprised when it kicked everyone’s arse
What about the 5.0 ?? Is it faster then power boost or just more fun
@@jeangrey30455.0 is slightly slower than power boost.. spec wise from factory
These drag races are so much fun to watch. Thanks guys
Thanks for the kind comment
FORD is #1 again 👍
Yessirrrrr!!
Because they sold thier trx!!
Always 💯
@@Welcometofacsistube I think I remember seeing the Lightning beating the TRX, just sayin’
Another mundane Mopar gone
Both times when Ford Powerboost roasted Toyota Tundra, it wasn’t in the same frame 🏆😂
3.31 vs 3.73 very simple
@@pryme2013, gear ratio’s don’t make as much of a difference nowadays with ten speed transmission. Besides, 3.31 gears is the only gear ratio available on the new generation Tundra’s.
@@stang-rv4pb false on both counts. and full disclosure i dont own either of these trucks.
it doesn't matter how many gears a trans has, the ratio applies to all of the gears whether its 5 speed or 10 speed. the higher ratio shortens all the gears and provides better acceleration, and vice versa for a lower ratio. Shorter gears and faster acceleration also builds boost in the turbos more quickly. The benefit of a lower ratio is a higher *theoretical* top speed and lower engine RPMs at a given cruising speed. hence why Toyota went with the lower ratio - lower cruising RPMs on the highway for better fuel economy. Not saying that's what truck owners want, just the reality of how Toyota does things.
The fact there is no alternate gear ratio option for the Tundra doesn't eliminate the fact that the Ford still benefited from its own higher gear ratio in the acceleration figures. That's not comparing apples to apples.
@@Kenny31190 it is comparing apples to apples, because both truck’s were equipped with the highest (numerical) available gear ratio’s. My point is that rear end gear ratios aren’t everything, transmissions gear ratios also have an effect on final combined gear ratio’s. The previous Tundra had an available 4.30 rear end gear ratio, yet it had considerably slower acceleration then the current model. The previous generation Tundra’s had lower (numerical) transmission gear ratio’s, compared to the F150, but with the 4.30 rear end ratio, the final combined ratios were similar. I’m not aware of what the transmission gear ratio’s are on the current generation Tundra, with the new ten speed.
That was an awesome series of drag races. What I am most impressed with is the baby Duramax it was was nipping at their heels of the 6.2 L!It would smoked a 5.3 L.We all knew the power boost was gonna win it’s just a monster and no off-road tires.The tundra really loses a lot on the big end….
Only because of the elevation. Sea level the 5.3L is fair bit quicker than the diesel.
The tundra has more hp & torque than the powerboost but the ford is quite a bit quicker.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE
Likewise
Damn. Thought Tundra was gonna win! Ford tuned that Powerboost quite well
Toyota runs a crazy amount of torque management in their cars which really slows them down
@@ITh4n4tosIlmao ya ok
The powerboost is a beast, where is that super duper quick 5.7 hemi? Lmao
Don't forget the Etorque
All four trucks would smoke the slow 5.7 Ram.
The ram is a pos
@18:54 - The most awkward running form ever captured on video.
I’ve Been waiting to see the F150 powerboost and Toyota Tundra Ecoboost on drag race! Both great truck!
Ford will beat toyota's ass toyota sucks
the only truck not pretending to be an offroader! hahahahahaha!!!!!! yep.
My Tundra 2wd Crew Cab Tundra 5.7 ran 14.6 in the 1/4, no mods
I think the PowerBoost still wins but a 3.73 rear end vs 3:31 in the Pro is a significant advantage if the trans ratios are fairly equal . I admit I haven’t looked up the trans ratios .
That means it should be slower in the long run and.... it's not
Let’s go PowerBoost! 😎🍷🛻
55 mph to 75mph.
I need pass on the highway.
That's how they did the test in the past to test the transmission and gear ratio to
Power and torque.
Would love to see these trucks tuned too! That was so cool to see when that F-150 broke a driveshaft lol
Nice video, thx! Include Roll races also to be fair. 1/4 mile from stop benefits the 3.73 n up gears lots
How about you do 2 out of 2 races to see which one is fastest, and then switch drivers to see if the other driver can improve on the time 🙂
The GM 3.0L Duramax and the Ford Powerboost are both very impressive setups. No way should the Duramax have been that close with the claimed numbers Toyota advertises. Which... I mean look I get Toyota dudes just buy Toyotas and don't even bother comparing to the competition. But as an outsider that new Tundra just continues to disappoint me. Off-road truck without recovery hooks? Fail. Barely faster than a diesel with nearly 200hp less? Fail. No high output onboard generator like Ford's hybrid? Fail. No auto 4WD transfer case? Fail. No fuel economy gain from hybrid? Fail. Its like... they had all this time and the best they could do is get to 90% of the competition. And it doesn't even seem like the new Tundra will continue the reliability of the old.
100%. You hit all the reasons why the Tundra missed the mark.
The 4Auto thing really is terrible. Especially because Toyota has the lockable Torsen center differential that they have been using in the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Lexus GX and 4Runner for 20 years. That transfer case is probably the single best feature in my Lexus GX and it performs much better than the 4Auto case in my F150. The tundra with that setup would have awesome.
And seriously, the lack of generator makes me not even consider their hybrid. The generator is the only reason I would buy a Powerboost.
They had 15 years to get it right and that is the best those idiots at crapota could do
I will take the Diesel all day long , love that truck😊😊
Regarding the two hybrids; not surprising the Ford won since it's engine is larger bore & shorter stroke than the longer stroked but smaller bore Toyota.
Toy Toyota built the Tundra specifically to beat the F150 and they failed. Again...
Yeah. 🤣
Wonder if the toyo turbo took a dump yet?
Thank you Andrea for thinking like that,I like that.Both V6 hybrids are good but not the same trim...
"The only truck here not pretending to be an off-road truck!"
-Case
He tells it like it is, Case is awesome!!😎👍
I want to see the 2.7 Chevy pickup in one of these races.
I think you did it about spot on as you could. Would be interesting to see a stock ecoboost. Id like to see the new ones with a 5star tune their pretty ridiculous over stock
Can't wait to get a Powerboost F150.
Ford did it first and Ford did it best, as usual Toyota copies Ford and still can't compete. Funny how the Tundra was brand new 4 months ago and it's already behind Ford, GM and Ram but hey at least it has a cheap light bar and camouflage.
The tundra run 2 races before taking on the powerboost, could that have affected its performance. I don't know how battery power drops after such drag races though.
Damn that ford got a lot on the top end!!
The Powerboost doesn’t play! Built proudly by us folks here at the Cleveland Engine Plant! Home of the 3.5 and 2.3 Ecoboost
You should race the non hybrid 3.5 ecoboost v6 it’s very fast too it’s just as fast as the hybrid
videos are out there the powerboost smokes it
Off road vs on road package, 87 vs 91 octane on turbo. Need a Limited or Platinum on Tundra hybrid without off road package to match the weight, also run 1/4 to 1/3 twice the premium fuel then race it against the F150
The 3.5L ecoboost runs on regular 87 or 93 premium. It makes more HP on 93 just like the 3.5L Tundra. I'm assuming TFL had the same grade fuel in each of those trucks. Getting a Limited Hybrid Tundra isn't available yet I don't believe but even so, it won't make up THAT much difference. The F150 powerboost is a rocket ship of a truck.
Yeah you’re going to be slower driving all 4 wheels vs just the rears. Looks the the Powerboost will beat the Tundra even traction was equal as it just kept walking away from the Tundra.
That was fun. Thanks for the video.
ATTENTION ALL: The Tundra does NOT have a 3.5L engine. Toyota themselves started this lie, but the new Tundra engine is actually 3.4 liters.
Yep false advertising from turdota
"Toyota refers to its new engines as "3.5L" when in reality the engines displace 3,445 cubic centimeters. Basic math rules would dictate that this figure be rounded down to 3.4L. However, as Toyota representatives freely admit, rounding up to 3.5L is better for marketing. It's likely we have Ford to blame, or thank, for this, as the company has been successfully marketing a 3.5L twin-turbo V-6 for a decade." Technically the Ford 3.5L Ecoboost is also a 3.4L. It is 3.496L, but it is rounded up as well. Not a true 3.5L. It only matters to those who obsess over it.
@@whalehands so it’s false advertising
@@danielmeador1991 does that bother you that much?
I understand what he means, when he says "bracket race", but bracket racing, in drag racing terms, is so much different than what they are doing here.
Also, Ford seems to have maximized their engine powerbands, and their transmission gearing, perfectly.
"tHe tRd pRo WiLl BeAt ThE F150" they said. Now Toyota fanboys are oddly quiet/absent in the comments. Powerboost F150 smoked the TRD Pro Tundra and it wasn't even close lol.
The Tundra definitely sounded the best. The Toyota Tundra TRD Pro is my favorite truck and will always be my favorite truck.
That Chevy 6.2 sounds amazing, best of this bunch.
Best at what? Neutral engine revving?
@@ryane6719 read the context of the comment.
@@NismoSupra my bad
Did you hear that Tundra though?
Remember when everyone was saying it wasn't fair when they were drag racing the regular Tundra against the powerboost?
Well, I am pretty sure the Tundra hybrid might actually be slower than the regular one.
Would have liked to see the 6.2 vs the tundra without the electric motor
Ford makes vehicles to sell. Toyota makes vehicles to last.
Not any more, those days are gone unfortunately.
This comment didn’t age well 😂
After 4 f 150s I bought I tundra TRD pro
I love the truck and wanted something different. That being said the f150 is a better truck hands down . Usability and build quality is better
Need to run the tundra in 4x2 drag from transfer case slows it down. Regardless I think the Ford is faster.
The first race , Tundra vs F150 was with the Tundra in 2wd.
Finally... A video from y'all without an EV....
The 5.7 Ram is no match for any of those trucks. It would be at the bottom. Slowest truck TFLT won't race.
Guarantee a ram 5.7 with 3.92s would smoke that duramax at the very least. Would give the 6.2 a run for its money as well!
Toyota should have kept the v8 or made a new one with better fuel economy
In my opinion, none of those trucks are remotely close to being worth what the sticker price says.
I wish these TH-cam truck channels would include the Nissan Titan in more of the side by side reviews. Otherwise I do love TFL
You guys should get ahold of a 2.7 ho silverado would be curious how that does against some of these with 430 lbs of torque an the way lighter weight I mean it wouldn't beat the Toyota or Ford turbo motors but it might give some of the v8s a run for their money .
What is a 2.7 Chevy?
Ford has a 2.7 V6 and it's a rocket 0 to 60 or even the quarter.
Think it would give e a 5.3 GMC a good run.
@@davidwelsh829 it's Chevys 2.7 4 cylinder turbo I have a lease on one an I gotta say it's impressive don't know if I'd buy it but for a lease it's perfect
@@garys2157 yeah that's what I was thinking honestly I think it might beat the 5.3 because of weight difference
It won't come close to beating a 5.0.
Great work guys!
14 seconds was comparable to late 60s muscle cars
That's only because tire technology was awful they used truck tires shaved down as a slick in the 60s
most of these trucks have a 4.7 first gear ratio. most cars in the 60 had 3 speed and 3.0 first.
keep in mind there where plenty of cammed old buick ford dodges and chevys running 10s with racing slicks on pump gas.
but i think most muscle cars of the 60 would struggle to turn 14s at a mile above sea level on street tires of the day
@@jeffforbes70 actually most fast cars of the 60s ran a 4 speed manual with a 1 to 1 final drive and 3.23 axle ratios. Cars also weighed less a big block 396 camaro only weighs around 3250 and that's with a 800lb big block.
@@fl_atv_riders4455 for the ratios i was referring to first gear. but as andre has found getting traction in a rear wheel drive car takes skill. all wheel drive makes it easy
@@jeffforbes70 whatever you say bud clearly can't argue with a expert tfl enthusiasts.
I'd like to see a Tundra/King Ranch re-match once someone invariably comes out with something to keep those twin turbos on the Tundra from limiting the boost to ~10 PSI. I'd love to see what it can do with ~12
Powerboost is a Monster 💪💪💪
Fun entertaining video as usual from the TFL team. I did have a thought though. Is it possible the Tundra was a little bit slower when it finally went up against the F-150 hybrid? The battery in both vehicles are in the 1 KW range right? Possibly depleting most of the battery without much time to recharge in between races? Just a thought. Maybe behind the scenes you guys were monitoring the battery status of both trucks?
The Tundra Hybrid is just slower. Not a bad thing as it’s still very fast. Toyota seems to have it shifting at different points (especially noticeable in the towing videos) and mist likely for greater longevity. They have a reputation they are trying to keep, especially for being long lived trucks, and they are just protecting the powertrain more to keep that reputation alive. A worthwhile trade. They tow very well.
This all being said when I am a Ford guy,,,,,,. The small camper I haul in my current F150 Tremor wouldn’t fit in the Tundras though. The Tundras, for some strange reason, only have a 49” space between the rear wheel wells. Eliminates a lot of truck campers.
You're actually spot on. The tundra will go into "limp" once the batteries and turbo get hot.
@@shitloveaduck that's a lot of excuses.
@@virgfresco1403 lololololol
Get a 1500 ram in the mix guys!
With 3:92s for take off torque vs those high geared rear ends.
I am a little surprised that the Toyota lost to the ford given the fact it has more power and Toyota clearly targeted the power boost when they developed their engine. It wouldn't surprise me because of how long the eco boost engines have been around ford's had time to really dial it in and maximize the capability of the power boost engine when it launched last year since it's a 3.5 eco boost paired with an electric motor which gave them the edge.
In my town we called that Toyota tundra ecoboost! Lol
Part of the difference is that Toyota is trying hard to save the reliability image, especially long term, so they have tuned the motor for that. It’s a great towing motor though. I think in the Tundra, the more bang for the buck comes from the non-hybrid versions.
As for Ford, I had the PowerBoost and loved it, but now drive the F150 Tremor with the 3.5 non-Hybrid and it’s more than enough for me!! I like the off-road drivability and the Torsen front differential. I kept the 2.0. Kw Pro Power Onboard as I haul a small truck camper on the Tremor and love the convenience and access to Air Conditioning!! Haha. 400hp and 430 lb ft of torque with about 70% of that torque available at 1200 rpm,,,,,, is still a really fast truck!!! Fuel economy is fair as well, but definitely not as good as the PowerBoost.
@@shitloveaduck They don't need to save it, it is a fact they are reliable
@@allentoyokawa9068 - I know soo much more than you apparently. The Camry was a nightmare for Toyota when they released the 3.5 initially. If you own a 2.5 4 cylinder, you WILL have to redo the head, of course Toyota is the only truck company ever to have a recall on all of their trucks to “replace the entire frame due to imminent structural failure due to corrosion”. But hey,,,,, yeah,,,,, sure they “are” reliable. My 2014 Tundra was unfortunately a lemon and the worst truck I have owned in the last 44 years,,,,. We don’t have lemon laws here in Canada so I had to put up with it until a Toyota Tech bought it from me thinking I was full of it and abusing the truck (initially it was my dream truck purchase I finally had done it,,,,, then it started stranding me, I still babied the truck more than any prior or since). He learned quickly when he was stranded with us in the middle of nowhere while off-roading. I went home with my F150 I bought to replace the Tundra, picked up my vehicle trailer, my buddies had dragged the Toyota out of the woods by then, so I loaded it up and hauled it to his shop!! Hahaha. He now drives a F150 PowerBoost while still working as a Toyota Tech!! Heh heh. Say what you want. Toyotas are great vehicles, but they are no where nearly as reliable as they used to be and that myth has been dying for a long long time now. Do a little research “objectively” not with fanboy goggles on.
I have owned well over 200 trucks in my lifetime and had just over 100 F150s. Mostly work trucks for the Ranch or tire shop, so they were worked hard. I have never been stranded by an F150, but was 4 times by my Tundra, understandably it was a lemon and not a fair representation of typical Tundras, but it was still a problem Toyota and the dealership was a pain in the arse to deal with. Over 100 trucks each with 70,000 to about 150,000 hard miles on them. Some were never even registered for on road use as they were 100% off-road on the ranch!
Sorry to burst your bubble. At the same time, I KNOW Ford has produced some problem F150s, especially the 5.0 2017 - 2019, but it was still only a portion of the trucks failing due to a supplier issue,,,, the very large vast majority of owners never had problems even with those trucks. You can say the same for GM and the new Ram,,,,,.
@@shitloveaduck i mean you can't claim you had several F150s and not one broke considering almost every 5.4 triton V8 has went caboom. Early ecopoops were known for being problematic. Hell, even ford was drilling holes in intercoolers to try to get around issues.
Frame rot on Tundra was neglect on both Dana who built the frames and consumers and it was only in the salty areas. I mean I see big burly semi trucks with frame rot that are only a few years old. If you don't wash your salty frame, it'll rot.
But aside from that, im more interested in the causes of why your horribly unreliable Tundra left you stranded.
Always entertaining to see outright acceleration but real world value out on the street, less so... especially trucks.
No surprise here.
You guys have to race the hybrid tundra vs the non hybrid
Love the Tundra but are the rear axle bolts tightened lol. Another great video. Every truck in this lineup is worthy.
@@DieselDog1982 Here is what Toyota says about this recall:
“Toyota is conducting a safety recall involving certain 2022 model year Tundra (including HEV) vehicles in the U. S. Approximately 46,000 vehicles are involved in this recall. Vehicles in this recall have certain nuts on the rear axle assembly that can loosen over time, and, in some cases, fall off, potentially causing an axle shaft sub-assembly to separate from the axle. If complete separation occurs, this can affect vehicle stability and brake performance, increasing the risk of a crash.“
Lol 😆.
@@Miiike604 This could cause accidents similar to the famous stocked cruise control or pedal issue.
Fastesr and best looking. Nice work FORD!
I’m really curious if you threw a performance tune on that diesel how close it could be to those hybrids?? I know it’s a different generation of diesel tech but my old 7.3 powerstroke is nearly twice as fast and powerful with just a “race” tune and basic bolt on’s.
I think it just needs a better read end. Put the 3.73 on to match the PowerBoost
The torque of a turboed gas engine is unreal..espe
The tune on the ecoboost is insane. I run a 5star tune on mine with 93 octane always.
No one has a tune yet for the duramax, and it's much harder to tune these new diesels with tons of restrictions without doing a delete.
@@vincentlee9638 ya that’s kinda what I thought, the older (2000’s era) turbo diesel’s we’re definitely a ton easier to tune/open up legally. My 99 7.3 passes emissions every year on the stock tune even with turbo back exhaust (with cat), fuel mods and stage 2 CAI. It’s unfortunate the same can’t be done with these newer diesels.
The difference in rear axle ratios is what made the Ford win ... 3.73to 1 in the Ford vs 3.23 in the Toyota
No its not. When you have 10 speeds the rear axle ratio is almost meaningless once you are out of first gear. And in one of the races the Toyota gets out ahead at the beginning and then the Powerboost still pulls on it hard.
The Powerboost is simply making more power and might be a little bit lighter. Even though the Powerboost is rated for less HP, there are a ton of dyno's out there showing them putting down 380+ hp to the wheels, so its making more power than they say.
The F150 was over a second quicker and 10 MPH faster in the quarter mile, that's power. No amount of gearing would come close to making up that difference.
Hard to believe Ford has been using the EB engine for over 10 years and it’s still kicking every body’s butt. The GM 3.0 DMax is a good engine but if you do your research it’s a maintenance and repair nightmare.
any examples of this? or just the oil pump belt replacement?
@@cplb the engine’s timing parts are in the back not the front. It also has a timing belt not a chain which requires a replacement every 150,000 miles. In order to do it the transmission has to be removed. Meaning a routine maintenance procedure is going to be well over $1k.
@@khakiswag this is false. It has a timing chain. The belt is for the oil pump. 150k miles change interval is no big deal.
@@terrencejones9817 Google is your friend. The timing belt is oil soaked and runs the oil pump also but it’s not a timing chain it’s a timing belt. And paying over a grand for routine maintenance is a big deal. Driving the average number of miles per year means you will be spending big bucks for maintenance on a 10+ year old truck. However most people won’t bother with it it and you’ll start seeing the engines having catastrophic failures simply from lack of maintenance. It’s a serious design problem IMO.
@@khakiswag Take your own advice. The belt is the Oil pump drive. NOT the timing chain. I also don't need google. I work for GM and I can see the engine diagrams for myself.
It's not a big deal to change the oil pump drive belt. Stop believing everything you read online.
Love to see some rolling races.
The altitude is really hurting the 6.2L. Those trucks run high 13’s at 100mph all day long at sea level.
Don't make excuses the 2.7. and 3.5 and 5.0 being kicking ram, chevy gmc 6.2 all brand truck since 2015 period.
$70,000 for a PU is beyond asinine.
Got to love the f150
that 3.23 rear in the GM should be outlawed lol
Good flic, as always, fun to watch. That said, you left the Ram out of this competition I'm guessing because of the same ole ho hum 5.7 hemi. But combine the ole hemi with the 3:92 axle ratio in auto 4x4 mode, and it just may have the ummph off the line to do pretty well. Now that said, over many years I've had my share of new trucks. Half tons and three quarter tons from Chevy, Ford, and now a 2020 Ram that I'm more than impressed with. I've never bought a new truck to drag race or to plug an electric griddle in. As a matter of fact, if I remember right, and i do, the Ram 5.7Hemi did pretty well going up the Ike Gauntlet. I'd like to see a real world working competition like snow plowing, hauling shingles, etc. Real work for real trucks. In the real world, spending $70,000 plus for a truck won't be just for drag racing. How about a "best bang for the buck" truck for a working man with a family? In the mean time, go ahead and power up your house with the F150 so that 2 hours later both the house and the truck will be dead. Go ahead and plug your electric griddle into the F150 and cook your pancakes. My Ram and I have some serious work to do.
Just for curiosity sake, I would like to see the duramax stats and outcome with the trailer package that comes with 3:73 ratio.