South Korea has a Sexism Problem | Salari
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- In recent years, South Korea has undergone a significant economic and cultural surge. Despite benefiting from the flourishing entertainment industry, technological advancements, and other aspects of South Korean culture such as movies, K-Pop, and video games, there persists a pervasive issue of sexism towards women. This discrimination permeates various spheres including the workplace, academia, and media, among others. Despite efforts to combat this inequality, resistance from men's rights groups and politicians exploiting societal tensions for personal gain has hindered progress.
Let's explore the serious, and often overlooked sexism that runs deep throughout every aspect of South Korean society.
P.S. Sorry about this not being a video about gaming. It was gonna be, but I got caught up in the subject, and it just got way too interesting to not talk about. I think you'll like it anyway, you never know.
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Thank you for letting me help you with the video! It came out strong and effective, and I hope this raises more awareness for this very serious situation. Sending out good vibes and love to the women out there in the world and to the men treating us as even. Thank you so much!
Show me that hole.
You feminists are not victims and I’m glad Korean men are standing up and fighting back against the ridiculousness of this ideology you people are trying to shove into our societies. Makes me wish the men back home in the US had the same backbone to fight back. Feminism and extremist ideologies like that have no place in society
@@rmmx77 too true
this is the second person i've seen make a vid about this topic now after moon channel , and i hope it doesn't become a trend , cause we already have too much on our plate with the resurgence of gamer gate to also have time to deal with counteracting these more typical feminist propaganda videos....
also your comment got shadowbanned after i replied to it? or did op delete it?
@rmmx77 1 day ago 1/2
You feminists are not victims and I’m glad Korean men are standing up and fighting back against the ridiculousness of this ideology you people are trying to shove into our societies.
@rmmx77 1 day ago 2/2
Makes me wish the men back home in the US had the same backbone to fight back. Feminism and extremist ideologies like that have no place in society
I’m a Korean-American and when I went to South Korea, a female tour guide and I got to chatting. In a friendly and inoffensive way she informed me (we were talking about cultural differences in the working world) that a Korean boss would tell me I had to wear more makeup. Assuming I even were able to keep a job after being questioned about any childbearing plans, she also said.
As I interacted with people, they immediately knew I was American before I even said a word because I don’t wear makeup and dress a little tomboy-ish.
On the plane ride there, we befriended a South Korean college professor who explained the social conservativism as an economically developed country but with an agrarian society mindset.
Misogyny has nothing to do with the farming background of peasants as if the ruling class was enlightened and progressive.
Sure a random persion talks with you about that stuff . Nice joke
It's not even the fact that you're tomboyish or don't wear make up, your whole mannerisms and the way you speak instantly feel different to locals, I am a Mongolian and appearance wise, I would blend in without problems amongst my peers but now that I live in Belgium for 17 years, people Immediately can feel that I got westernized when I interact with then whenever I go back to visit family
@@xythiera7255 incel
@@dorjjodvobatkhuu6457 I'm going to dissapoint you, but people will always judge you much more for your appearance, than for your mannerisms and speech.
I would like to add that there still is a stigma against plastic surgery in South Korea. It's only accepted so long as it's not obvious that a person had plastic surgery, so you still have to hide the fact that you got surgery to uphold the illusion of being "natural"
There's so many cases of people digging up idol's childhood photos to "prove" that they had work done and mock them for it
It's quite insidious. You can't succeed in the entertainment industry without plastic surgery, which is an open secret, but if you do get it and it's revealed, especially when you're a woman, you're ridiculed for not achieving impossible beauty standards genetically
Kpop fans use plastic surgery allegations for fan wars too the obsession with "natural beauty" is wild. I have seen a few instances where idols openly acknowledge their surgeries and it's praised but they are the exception and most idols have to pretend plastic surgery doesn't exist
@@anny8720 it's so unhealthy :/
USA is also high in the charts.
similarity, you can't succeed in becoming a crypto scammer without ....
nice to see where equality is going 👍
"You can't succeed in getting ... without lying that it was only for love, which is an open secret" - now you wouldn't say that!
when it comes to equality, no one mentions the fact that 75 percent of homeless are men. yet, it is all about that "job promotion", "ceo", "doctor", "lawyer", "politician", (insert rich job position that scams taxpayer)
It's kinda ridiculous because no matter how you try to hide it, it is so obvious when one has actually Hobe through it
It's ironic that these very valid points are expressed in many kdramas, the unequality, the crushing beauty standards, the office sexism, but (almost) no one in the public eye is talking about them! i mean, in europe for me but also in the US, when an actor is playing a powerful role about for example a pioneer woman, interviews would ask her her opinion and her experience on that matter. in korea, they only ask about trivial things. so there's no discussion in mainstream media, only game shows, cooking shows and celebrity shows. women don't see anyone prominent advocating for them, so they think standing up is hopeless and dangerous. thank you for your excellent analysis
EXACTLY. It’s intentional in order to normalize the behavior and cement it into the culture.
I figure its how two-thirds of Hollywood movies are about how evil rich people are, and yet no one actually does anything about the rich. In part, I think it fulfills some kind of psychological itch that stalls actual attempts to revolution, because the movies give that catharsis of seeing rich evil people get taken down, without having to suffer the consequences or do anything themselves.
Aren't men expected to be 6ft tall 6 pack and 6 in by korean women as well? Those are unrealistic standards for USA men and even more unattainable for Korean men.
"Accurate name"
Hmm, once u subject a population to lies and propaganda they will believe it. So if anything there is sexism towards men and male spaces. Just respect them and dont antagonize or demonize them. Its simple as that. Treat them like humans.
ex DIA member Somyi was just sentenced to 18 months in prison for presumably falsely accusing her CEO of sexual assault. the court claimed that since she didn’t seem frazzled after the said incident on CCTV footage, she must’ve been lying about the assault. the CEO said Somyi was crazy and falsely accused him because he wouldn’t leave his partner for her even though there’s no evidence of this either. i really can’t stop thinking abt this case as DIA was a group i enjoyed. i don’t understand how Somyi could be punished this severely.
oh this reminds me of a thing in germany, where a woman who was abducted for years came to talkshows and stuff after she was freed, and some people said that she wasnt a victim, because she didnt behave like one ( as in she was too composed).
@@deusex9731now im reminded how its less than 2 decades since germany banned statuatory four letter R word
People want a perfect victim to believe. But its literally impossible to be one because people are people. Trauma is handled differently by everyone.
I'm in a similar situation in Canada and he made the same claims of me being crazy cause he wouldn't leave his gf for me. He just got arrested. Crazy to think that in some places in the world, I could be the one facing charges
Something similar happened with Lee Jin Wook. He sued his alleged victim for defamation and lost, but appealed later and then won. She was sentenced to 8 months in prison.
This was what the judge stated in the case after he was found not guilty:
“There is room for suspicion that the two people had consensual sex. However, A not wanting sexual relations is consistent with her testimony and there is probability that sexual relations took place against A’s will.” They continued, “Based on Lee Jin Wook’s testimony, there was no asking of consent for sexual relations nor was consent given by A. In light of this, the indictment and crime cannot be proven.”'
Both judges agree that it could have been consensual sex (which is why Lee Jin Wook was cleared), that the alleged victim didn’t come forward with these accusations maliciously, and that there was no consent given by the alleged victim. However, one judge ruled that she was not guilty because of the fact that no consent was given, while another ruled that she was guilty because there’s no evidence he forcefully raped her.
Korea really needs an overhaul when it comes to their laws regarding consent.
It's so ridiculous that female celebrities there get criticized for eating a strawberry🙄!? So crazy
Yeah I had to blink a couple of times with my eyes when I first read that news on kpop stan twitter
It is likely tied to the layers upon layers of extremely strict social etiquette built into the fabric of Korean society, where there are a thousand ways to commit a social faux paus before breakfast. Even I don't get what is so heinous about the strawberry thing, but this is probably like how there's some Japanese stereotype that its horribly unladylike to laugh without covering your mouth because... honestly, I don't even know why. But its there, except in South Korea, these things appear to be taken drastically more seriously for people under the microscope of celebrity.
Nah that was warranted she's so cringey trying to be pretty all the time instead of being an actual musician
Lmao it’s usually by other women 🤣🤣🤣
@@FS-qk5uq how bout you keep it to yourself
Not to forget when the writer of "Kim Ji-young, Born 1982" became victim of massive anti-reaction to her feminist novel where seh only describes the status quo as a woman. Even a man wrote a novel from a male perspective, just to weaken her points.
Yeah. I really wanna read that book.
It’s anti-male feminist extremist literature. Like what did you expect was going to happen. Why do you people leave that out.
@@rmmx77 There’s no ideology that is remotely as extreme, violent, or radical as those that patriarchal cultures create. The data on this is so clear. 😑 You’re angry at a boogeyman.
@@rmmx77 liar
@@rmmx77 Can you cite some of its text and explain what you think is wrong about it?
It's not a sexism, it's straight up unfiltered misogyny.
The problem is S. Korea wants to protect and defend traditional roles. If they promoted women having short hair or lgtbq+ communities, they feel families and heterosexual partners would crumble because that would make women less attractive to men, therefore, men having less interest in pairing with them. Therefore, community's death. They're afraid of that. Instead they know that society propagation works when the man is the provider and the woman the take-carer of the kids.
@@YukiNakamura its interesting to see this mindset exist in so many cultures. This is basically the backbone of a lot of far right leaning people in America too.
Which is obvious idk it's just intriguing how it boils down to "traditional values" for so many people
@@YukiNakamura this sounds like you are endorsing it.
yeah fuck if there only was a name for systematic unfiltered misogyny i wonder
@@YukiNakamura doesnt seem like its working since their birthrates are lower than the floor
As a Korean woman, I'm so glad that a major youtuber is discussing this issue. I've encountered so much misogyny and gender roles growing up in Korea, and as a feminist it really bothers me how it keeps persisting. I hate violence against women and how SA is often dismissed in court.
Well worst case scenario you can move to other country or marry a man from other culture.
It’s not perfect in Europe but we have it good 😌 here.
That is exactly what I am doing! I've lived in Canada for 14 years now
@@jueunpark7377 Whatup fellow korean. Keep your head down out here. World is filled with sexist brainless men. Proud to not be one of them!
@@joycejoy4119 As an American, I notice that a lot of Asian women end up doing that, especially East Asian women. It’s kinda a stereotype and often dismissed as “self-hating”. But it seems like Korean people don’t really understand how patriarchal cultures are alienating and unpleasant for women, especially if the woman has the option to have something better and modern. I don’t want to misspeak or misinterpret their culture. But it’s definitely something I’ve noticed, especially when certain TV shows come out about Asian girl characters not liking their family’s traditional values. Why would they like a tradition that subjugates them? 😂
@@LoneWulf278 that’s not selfehate that’s selfe preservation 😘
Women are voting with their v with their 🐱.
I am refreshingly stunned how well thoughtout, well researched, and empathetic this whole video. I'm a Korean woman from Seoul and I personally believe the crushing working and domestic standard for women ultimately led to my mother's death. She died of cancer (her 3rd one) and the doctors believed her overworking for years and stress had to do with it. So this topic of how overworked and often silenced Korean women are so important for me. Thank you for giving us visibility.
My condolences. That is so saddening.
I am from Japan and was shocked to learn that female suicide rates in Korea are more than double that of Japan. Please stay strong and protect your life above all. My heart goes out to my Korean sisters.
@@formerCA It really is depressing. Just the thoughts and imagery evoked by that statistic makes me feel nauseous. In the past South Korea used to have lower female suicide rates than the entirety of the OECD including Japan. It seems like nobody really has a convincing theory or explanation for it. I have my own personal opinions on this, but it could be misconstrued.
Condolences to you and your mother, but according to the OECD South Korea has the least domestic work for women on average, and overworking long hours at a job is definitely more of a personal choice.
@shifish-yv5uc Interesting personal choice of words. You gave a condolence then proceeded to say Korean women such as my mother overworking is a personal choice, without knowing any more circumstances regarding my mother or my family, or what kind of career or job she had. I'm sure you are someone with a nuanced and empathetically informed take on this subject matter!
@@shifish-yv5uc so what are your opinions on why this is happening?
I've lived in Korea for 4 years now and am dating a Korean. It's so bizarre with sexism here. Men in there 30s to 50s are quite left leaning and support equal rights but most people older and unfortunately a lot of the 20s and younger are ridiculously exist here. It's quite a shame.
There was recent elections and the Conservative government (who have been absolutely terrible recently) easily won again. I really enjoyed living here but there's so many problems when it comes to sexism, racism and homophobia her
Perfectly said. Scary how pathetically similar it is to murikkka lol
Consider that you are one person and society is tens of thousands. Korea could be sexist and horrible towards women, or your perspective is skewed.
It's not unique to korea, younger men are becoming more and more sexist in the west too
It's because those 30s-50s men either succeeded in life or got to a point where they're content with where they are in life, in peace and without pressure, or maybe they have no more fight left in them. And social media didn't help, just supercharged the radicalization of the internet generation. Or i'm totally wrong and as always, speaking out of my @$$. That being said, your personal experience and perspective is valid, and your sharing of it is appreciated. I've never been to SK, yet. BTW SK society is actually tens of millions, not thousands.
@@satadenai9182 Yeah, I feel like a lot of guys just grow out of sexism. I'm gonna be honest, I used to be a mysoginist, but that's because I was a stupid teenager, and now I'm a slightly less stupid teenager. I've seen it with a lot of my friends, they go through one bad relationship and hate women, then they stop hating women, because the whole thing is kinda silly.
Cyberbullying is a national sport in SK
The best cultural export of all
As a guy from east asian culture, growing up I was simply taught to be respectful, but I still grew up with cultural norms that taught men to be entitled and I saw the women in my life my mom, aunts, sisters, etc be expected to in a general sense, 'serve'. I never even cared about women's rights or feminism or gender equality, it was something I'd just heard of, barely even a thought tbh, "Feminism? Cool. Whatever." "What there are men who are feminists? Ok, sure." I wasn't against it, but I didn't even try to understand it.
It took having 2 daughters for me to actually look at the issue. And it's put into perspective for me, I suddenly see all the shit that my wife and the women in my life have to go through everyday, and what my daughters will probably have to go through (and I feel powerless to stop). I look back at my life and see I was also part of the problem for simply not trying to understand or see more and just being indifferent. All I can say is that I'll do what I can, educate those I can, and make sure my kids know they deserve a world where everyone is equally respected.
I hate that it takes having daughters for men to start caring about women's issues... But at least you came around, that's more than the majority.
So you presumably lived years beside your wife and it somehow never rung a single bell?
Men are literally taught to be self-sacrificing, emotionally suppressed wage slaves for women, as well as cannon fodder for their countries in war. Yet you came to the conclusion that only women are "serving" men WTF is wrong with people's brains can any of you think? FFS.
For many men, they just don't care until they have skin in the game, in many cases their offspring. At least you are trying to do better now.
As much as I respect your ability to admit you were wrong and are trying to do better, I really must ask, why do women need to be related to men in order for you guys to care? We are humans just like you and suffer like you, our sex is different yes but why does our sex stop you guys from acknowledging our suffering until we are your wives or daughters?
Never in my life did I expect Salari to name drop Heechul, as I used to be a Super Junior fan. And I’m here for it.
Misogynists in the west already annoy me sooooooo much. Can't say this wasn't an irritating watch to learn how things are in another part of the world but it was informative. Thank you, salari!
There's no misogyny in the West -- none which anyone has ever proven. If there were, we'd have been putting XXs on the front lines in every war while protecting the men by keeping them safe in the homeland.
Since men are forced to be the canon fodder, this indicates systemic misandry. Where there's systemic misandry, there can be no systemic misogyny. Those 2 states are mutually exclusive.
If the system doesn't support the premise, the culture upstream of that premise is also false.
What's more, if misogyny existed in the West, then nobody would be permitted to use the word -- yet it's freely tossed about like a magic spell against anything someone disagrees with.
Lastly: misogyny is a motive. To ascribe someone's motive (absent their confession) is pure mind-reading. Sadly, nobody is a mind-reader. It's a form of magic that humans -- so far -- are incapable of conjuring... though most believe themselves wizards in that regard.
The only mind one can read is one's own. Period. When anyone attempts to read another's mind, it's always projection. Always. When someone mind-reads, they're not indicating magical powers, they're always confessing their own feelings and not those of others.
You can't mind-read. You can't mind-read anyone -- and collectives don't have minds so ascribing a mind to that abstraction is nonsense.
This tired old mind-reading game that we uncritically allow to pass as a legitimate argument is tantamount to buying the narrative of a toddler who accuses everyone else of being cookie-thieves... while their face is sprinkled with crumbs and smeared in the remnants of chocolate chips.
Here's a helpful hint with rhetoric: stop ascribing motives to others because you're only confessing your motives to the world. You can discuss some biases you perceive but you can't ascribe motive to them unless those who you accuse confess it.
BTW, most misogynists have no shame in being so. They readily confess it. They don't keep it secret. In fact, they want people to know it when they are. There's no such thing as a covert misogynist because they're loud and proud. If you have to be the one who labels their motive via your mind-reading powers, then they can't be one.
My closing advice: you can't keep using the same magic words over and over again or they lose their power. When you accuse everyone of being the m-word, then people no longer believe it. That magic spell has lost its power. What's more, the covert misogynists just grin because they know when they're called out, nobody will be live their accusers and their accusers will no longer be taken seriously about any of their mind-reading skills.
QED.
What is annoying about Misogyny? Is it when men tell women how to live their lives without considering a person's autonomy? How is that any different than when westerners demand east Asian countries to accept feminism when they don't want to? I don't mean to imply you would demand feminism, but if you do then can you please explain how it does not violate a country's right to self determination?
@@goinggodmode9463 "Accepting feminism" isn't a black and white affair, it exists on a spectrum, and S. Korean misogyny seems to cause a lot of suffering. A lot of change has to come from without or top-down. Schools in parts of the US likely wouldn't have gotten racially integrated without federal involvement. The metric system wouldn't have gotten accepted by regular people (who often balked at it) in most places without outside or top-down pressure. Some beliefs and ideologies die during the course of the exchange of ideas (flat earth, divine right of kings), and the hatred and oppression of women are ones that you should be eager to see stamped out.
My wife is my dish washer and sex robot all in one, women are great
I'm fully aware that, as a white male American, there are things that I'm not going to understand about East Asian culture generally and Korean culture specifically. However... criticizing someone for eating a strawberry with two hands (one that looked fairly large in fact) just plain makes no sense.
It just seems like the men literally believe they own and control all of the women in their country, and can just decide how they act and what they look like and what they do. It's hard to believe this is 2024 and not 1624.
K-pop stan teenage girl here. I remember this ''controversy''. They keep calling Wonyoung a ''pick-me'' for acting forcibly cute while actively scrutinizing every move she makes because she's seen as the ideal K-POP idol and therefore should act perfect at all times. So... she eats a strawberry in a cute manner to please the public (and also cause she's still a teenager) and gets backlash because she forced it 🙃 There's also allegations of her being rude for not bowing at everyone she makes eye contact with, being too skinny, etc. etc. It's horrid
Yes, that’s the key point, I think. These young men and their elected politicians seek power and control over women, because they see women having the same rights as an erosion of men’s power by birthright. Unfortunately, it’s gonna be a uphill battle for the Korean women because men are in positions of power, and culturally they will have difficulties finding allies even with fellow women. I hope they keep pushing, because a society that treats all people kindly will be better for everyone.
Wonyoung's strawberry controversy was honestly more of an internalized misogyny situation from non-Korean international fans, Wonyoung was very popular domestically in Korea and her only main controversy with them was lipsyncing while sitting down incident. At the time many fans of other kpop girl groups were jealous of her status as the "it girl" of current 4th gen kpop and felt it was undeserved and that she was only an untalented pretty face so they criticized her every move. Patriarchy does still factor in for Wonyoung in general with pressures to diet and have plastic surgery/fillers to achieve Korean idol beauty standards even as a teenager who debuted at 14.
Its the same all around the world. Its just mitigated on countries with a strong and long-standing feminist movement
It's warranted she's so cringey trying to be pretty all the time instead of being an actual musician she's clearly got there cause of her face and not because of any real talent
SK birth rates have been hitting historic lows since 2010's.
And the lowest birthrate globally since 2013
At this rate the population will decline at more than 3% a year later this century, so the country is completely doomed if the fertility rate remains this low.
Japan and Korea are in the same boat
I've been a long time fan of k-pop and have had a hard time describing this exact issue to my friends, so thank you for this video, I will be sending it to them. Like i know that sexism and beauty standards are a thing everywhere, but they feel like they're on a different level in South Korea. I've watched the double standard with idols, again and again. South Korea has some interesting and unique social issues due to its history as former colony, cold-war war-zone, and now, post capitalist hellscape. I do not envy their position, they're damned if they say nothing, they're damned if they stick up for themselves. I still think about Sulli :(
Make sense why all these women who are feminist are into Kpop and the queer looking men.
I knew about the 4B movement but not all the reasons why. Damn. It’s not a surprise a lot of Korean women don’t want anything to do with men.
It's one of the reasons families will send their kids to college abroad, like the US or Canada, etc. "get the f out of this country and find a nice mate, hopefully have children, we'll visit you in the future, or you'll visit us"
Lmao the 4B movement is hardly a thing here and the only women in it are women who aren’t even attractive to most men here anyways 🤣🤣 4B is a western feminist creation and hardly any women here is even aware of it.
Expats said they are the hardest women to date.
The best revenge is to never give these old men any young slaves to care for them in old age.
They benefited their whole lives off the backs of women they took for granted and now their sons can't find daughters.
I feel bad for well meaning boys but they should blame their fathers and grandfather's who are very likely to have SAd women and gotten away with it.
Men had long checked out of dating before the women had in South Korea🤣🤣 Men don’t want to deal with entitled women who do nothing but complain, play victim and demonize men every chance they get. Men have long checked out of dating before the women had. 4B is just protesting against a crowd that stopped caring long ago. Feminism is destroying traditional relationships and men would rather enjoy their peace than put up with a modern women and their toxic attitudes. I live in Korea I’m on all the male messages boards, and forums. Many men here are fed up and are either picking up passports or going monk. Hell with the improvements on ai. Ai girlfriends aren’t bad either.
I’m simultaneously so energized by the women fighting for their rights in S. Korea and crushed by the seemingly endless battle to be seen as full human beings by the majority of men all over the world who should be our comrades
Why should I fight for the rights of people who think I'm less than a bear?
@@HeathHuckers Feminism does not equal misandry.
Oh hows it going I wonder. Feministd create the problem and then cry over it. Wat do you think will happen when u ostracize and demonize a group of individuals.
@@HeathHuckers maybe if you listened you would actually understand. Nobody said you're less than a bear. They said a strange man in a forest is more dangerous than a bear and that's THE TRUTH. A bear can kill me but a strange man can do 100 things worse to me like torture kidnapping, grape, stalking, etc. Even you as a man, do you want to be stuck with a bear or a strange man? Who could hurt you the most?
@@HeathHuckers to show them that they are wrong and that you are a man worthy of respect as well as a good and caring human who will stand up for the rights of others, even when experience has taught them a freaking bear is still safer to be around than men? As you are, you are why they chose the bear! 🤦♂️
Another creator i enjoy watching- Moon Channel - has also looked closely at these issues in a two-part series, and i can warmly recommend anyone who is interested in the topic to check out their videos!
As someone who was into BTS and followed along their journey to international fame shortly before they started to 'make it big in america' so to say, i can't deny the discomfort and bafflement that hit me once i looked deeper into the whole K-pop group machinery. Behind unbelievably talented, beautiful and hard-working people stood a whole industry that seemed way darker than i'd ever imagined, especially in the treatment of their female talent. 'Sky-high' doesn't even cut it with the beauty standards, those are ASTRONOMICAL. And the way that fans would pick apart every action, movement and word to the point that fires would break out in the fandom over the smallest things, i questioned whether those people could be called fans at all.
It's an environment that i ultimately distanced myself from, and as shallow of a wish as it is, i can only hope that conditions improve in the near future. Young people everywhere are having it rough, but South Korean young people (especially women) are put through a special kind of wringer
Thank you for your coverage of the topic, Salari!
I found it fascinating how incredibly powerful the myth of Megalia was. So many Korean Americans and Korean TH-camrs I follow see Megalia as fully representative of Feminism or modern day Feminism. They're usually centrist liberals who hold feminist views but they always feel the need to distance themselves from "radical man hating feminists". They'll say stuff like "feminism in korea is extreme." And they'll both sides the issue. But that's nuts because Megalia is really the only group I've heard of that's that bad. Ive yet to hear of mass social unrest. I've yet to hear of a spate of female mass shooters or mass stabbers. I've yet to hear of major strikes or riots. Yet "radical feminism" is framed as being equally powerful as male misogyny in South Korea. I think it just goes to show how truly powerful male views still are in Korea. Because they've managed to make a tiny internet group of radicals the "face" of Korean feminism not just at home but abroad as well.
Exactly. They are a scapegoat and truly not as harmful or influential as these Korean men claim they are.
Technically, it’s the same in the west too. We all remember the Tumblr-Feminist “Feminazi” craze going on in the mid-2010s, but it’s the incels, red-pills and “Alpha males” who are known to actually get violent, with several known crimes ranging from rampant violent assault to mass shooters.
I think it’s just part of the progress, in my country, in the 2010s it was accepted to say you were a feminist but “hey hey not a radical one”, now women are more unabashedly feminist, same as the US, I remember interviews with female celebrities echoing the same sentiment, now they feel more free to support women’s rights. So I think this is a matter of time, fortunately! As we grow
Yep! Remember the rules of misogyny! Everything is a woman’s fault. Megalia needed to be radical. Women had committed suicide because they had been recorded without their consent. This is the country of the Nth room, where men jerked off to middle school girls being tortured and exploited. Megalia women protested by shaving their heads and they made such an impact that they cannot be reduced to a fringe group. The 4B movement is unthinkable without Megalia 👌👌👌
@EmyN in my country more and more women have turned away from feminism, seeing it for the hateful self serving thing it has become (but also always been... If you actually read the foundational & key writings... In those there is the influence of Luciferianism, Marxism, a hatred of families, occultism and hatred)
If you are interested in the topic of feminism in South Korea, I recommend reading Flowers of Fire by Hawon Jung. She’s a Korean journalist that’s been covering (and involved in) the feminist movement in South Korea for years.
Thank you for the recommendation!
Feminism will never get anywhere in South Korea the resistance against it is very very strong. Redpill influences are very high among the men here, and they’ve seen what is happening in the west and how feminism is destroying those societies and want none of it here. South Korea is very socially conservative and it’s unlikely to change in the in coming generations.
Thank you for the recommendation! I immediately checked it out from my library. I love getting recommendations from comments like this!
@@jglobetrotter2830 please let me know what you think about it when you finish reading it.
Ah yes, give a voice for the loud minority. How stunning and brave. I wonder what feminists did to the gender dynamics in korea, now they are crying wolf for the problems that they created, comical.
Yeah they definitely have some sexism issues, if women are expected to make lunch for their fellow employees in any jobs.🐱
It not hard to see why South korea have a bigger population issues than japan with japan it mosty it conformity and work culture but South Korea you have patriarchal society and men thinking enforing will fix that are fooling themselves
@USSAnimeNCC- you might not be seeing the whole picture if you think Japan doesnt also have massive issues with gender inequality.
@@USSAnimeNCC- Japan is also massively misogynistic, it's just hidden behind their politeness facade, along with all their other unsavory political stances (homophobia, extreme xenophobia, ultra-nationalism, etc...)
All east asian countries are way more socially conservative than what their art make them look like to international audiences.
Ikr?
And men are conscripted? I would rather go make a sandwich than go to war.
Is the grass ever greener anywhere?
nope. wish I was a tree
I believe it all starts and ends with normalizing that the childcare is up to both parents *while* having the laws to support that.
Why is a mom neglectful for having a career and working late, whereas a dad is diligent? Thing is- it’s not just men who enforce this stigma. Many women also fight to keep family related laws gender-oriented. So the demographic of whoever is interested in those laws is very limited- therefor it won’t change.
Ideally, an employer shouldn’t assume I’d be the main/exclusive caretaker, but the current state of things indicates otherwise. It seems like having kids would mean to give up on more things than I’m willing to.
Oof.
Yeah well the thing is that nothing would change if ppl didn‘t make others really mad over there. U can take our own history in the west and feminist movements as an example. And how agressively feminism was attacked and supeessed. Men of our own society had the same fears. Loss of power, loss of what they think they are owed aka a hole to put their u know what in that‘s also a willing domestic slave and baby machine, and also just a desperate hunger to maintain that power.
But in general it is many things. One of the biggest issues even the west has is that it is unfair from the start. Domestic labour is still not payed despite the fact that we have supposedly made things more „equal“ but really we only pretended to do that by the capitalists saying: „hey feminist. How about you make me even more money and you get your own freedom like the men for that“ and that just kinda worked cause ofc it did. That‘s not to disregard any feminist accomplishments. But it is telling.
Women to this day even in fairly equal countries still do most of the domestic labour and have a job on top of it. It didn‘t get better without it also getting worse. True equality would be payed domestic labour and child care labour for parents, meaning both, safer security for men and women. No discrimination towards women that want kids or are pregnant. No denying of child care leave and time made for women to actually raise kids these governments supposedly want so badly, and also in general feminism and gender related education that is not skewed towards men and disregarding of women. Most of us don‘t even learn much about the feminist movement at all. Despite it being revolutionary. We all did learn about other revolutionary events didn‘t we? Why not feminism? The answer is easy. If you wake up more women they‘ll start to ask for more of what they deserve.
We still live in a patriarchy. It might be a broken one but it isn‘t by any means over. Men and women still treat one another like aliens, gender roles are still delusionally exaggerated to fit bigoted narratives. Men are still brainwashed from birth to both see women as lesser and worth nothing much while also being taught to want them so much and rely on them. And meanwhile women are still taught to be quet, emotionally controlled, never angry, agreeable, pretty towards what men like to see and diminished. But that will never change if we don‘t ruffle feathers.
The biggest lie in modern life is that feminism is polite and agreeable. That is patriarchial bs. Feminism has been diminished into a joke. A thing some celebrities claim to be while knowing little to nothing about it. A label women are asked to claim without looking into it one bit. A thing to be used as an insult. And a thing that‘s said to be a relic of the past unneeded in modern life.
And all of that is the thanks feminism got for making life a little less hellish for women. It was a mammoth task. But like with any movement, the moment the opressors get their hands on it and claim it it becomes a husk of itself.
The 4b movement is part of feminism. A korean rebrand of it. And I love it cause it‘s doing what feminism is supposed to be doing. They can take everything from us. Our lives, our dignity, our gender, our joys and sorrows, our rights, our humanity. But they can‘t take our anger and our hope for things to change and the actions we take to get there. There‘ll always be another feminist movement. Be it called 4b, gender abolitionism, or whatever else it may be called. The will to be more than a mere accessory is strong. And that‘s what men and anti feminists don‘t get. That women are tough af and don‘t put down their swords until we have reached fairness and actual equality. So pls remember that. The best u can do is make ppl uncompforable, make em mad. Assert yourself. Be loud, be unfeminine, speak your mind, be true to yourself, educate yourself on feminism and the women that fought for your rights and support women like yourself. That‘s the key really. And you can learn all that and more if you just learn more about feminism. Reading books or essays, watching documentaries or videos on it, and stuff like it. Or talking to feminists themselves. It never hurt to learn. And the only way a movement can truely die is if we don‘t take it seriously and learn about it as we represent it and identify with it.
1. It's easier when a person only focus on one thing
2. It's not Male who would get pregnant, Nor do they who would breastfeeding the child. It's female. It's how God created Us
U would not use Dog to plowing and Cow as a housekeeper.
The difference In physical attributes just makes sense for two having different task
How do you do that on a peninsula nation (with no natural resources to speak of) being squeezed by the CCP in the north and a bunch of radical US constantly rotating through military bases?
Ain't women doing those patrols, I should add.
@@edwardtimothy3581 child care doesn‘t start and end with those things. If you have a child but treat your son or daughter like a stranger just because you‘re a man you aren‘t a worthy parent not in the eyes of god either. You put your seed in. You do not get to call your part of the deal unrelated. If you wanna be a stranger to your child so bad then go and not have kids. You clearly don‘t deserve kids with this attitude. And also women aren‘t cows. Stop comparing them to animals.
@@edwardtimothy3581 Okay then reward those tasks. We have almost all money digitalized. So why punish mother for being with baby?
As someone who has lived in Korea for 4 years and is about to get married to a Korean, cannot wait to agree with everything you say.
No offense but i feel bad for you. I really hope you married a feminist
On the topic of video games, to those who are on the fence, no one who is a serious person is saying hot character can’t be hot and flaunt it. It becomes an issue if there is a clear and constant imbalance in how, in this case, feminine presenting characters are treated. I know it’s fiction and everything can go, but if a war game about tactical fighting has men rocking heavy armor that 90% covers them, and then the women walk in with that silly boob chestplate or skimpy suit, then you know something has to be up. You can have serious and unserious character designs in your game, but if it’s heavily dependent on gender, then that’s just bad.
It double standards at that point but patriarchy made it that way as it enforce sexism and misogyny as stupid as the gender war is its not equal it more on the men side are are doing it as shown by ryan beard video on the gender war
I'm a serious person and i'm bothered by objectification in general, whether it's men or women who are being objectified. I think it's a kink that just happens to be really popular. To me, there isn't that much of a difference between objectification and other kinks and i don't like it that such a high percentage of games is out of the question for me because i'm uncomfortable with this kink.
Someone can be hot in a non-objectified way too ofc, like in Jennifer's body. She was hot and flaunting it, but the portrayal was focused more on what she's thinking, why she's doing it, rather than on the hotness.
@@Desimere I agree. There’s a way to do things that make it more interesting than just the visuals.
@@LoneWulf278 From my pov, objectification is more than just visuals as well. It includes the intent for the viewer to take sensual pleasure out of the visuals. I don't think it's fair to think of objectification as a lack of a plot rather than as a the presence of something extra. In my view, it can still be objectifying with a good plot as well.
Objectification is just so common that it might be difficult for a lot of people to tell the difference. In some cases it's pretty obvious though.
@@Desimere I absolutely agree. It’s become so common that even if some people *can* tell the difference, it won’t matter to them because they won’t think the ends justify the means.
Yes, this is disturbing. While in the “West” women may not be as outwardly discriminated against, there is still a lot of sexism bubbling just barely under the surface. Legally, there is no difference. Socially, there are lots of “little” things that add up. Many big issues as well. The term “feminist” is now a dirty word. So many women will say “I am NOT a feminist.” As if it’s a bad thing. We have vilified feminism. Many say it is not needed anymore because women have equal rights. But, in reality, women still struggle with all kinds of misogyny, especially internalized misogyny, every day. However, what women have to put up with in Korea is downright dystopian!
Edited to add: The hard work that you pour into production comes across in videos that are thoughtful, insightful and engaging. As always, well done!
Oh my God THANK YOU!! Finally someone puts it in to words! People who claim "muh both-sides" or who are otherwise outright conservative seem to think that if it isnt the loudest and most in your face unga bunga twisted nonsense possible, then it doesnt exist. Same with racism, if it isnt lynch mobs, klansmen running around with torches and burning crosses, and people being beaten on the streets, than CLEARLY racism isnt a thing anymore outside of a few bullies, right??
Urgh...
I think compulsorary military service may contribute to the sexism and misogyny. As far as I understand the situation from and outsider looking in, men resent having to perform military service and expect some social power in recompence. I think the all-male military also cultivate macho attitudes.
It's common for girl groups with a sexy image to be invited to perform for the military and I remember hearing about one idol saying she was afraid when she was surrounded by soldiers after who I think pushed her around. The Korean military is also known to be bad with hazing and singling out queer soldiers so the macho part is probably true.
They should confront the men that force conscription on them...not expect to be treated better than women. Men don't have to deal with periods and giving birth. Where is women's social power for giving birth?
Ummmm, well they are putting their lives at risk, it's not men's fault that women refuse to pay a price for that safety.
Accountability has always been missing in women and the Left.
@@bryna7 "Men don't have to deal with periods and giving birth." - typical braindead comment from a woman. I bet you would prefer to be conscripted and treated like a cannon fodder during the military service? Or you would prefer to go to fight in Ukraine? Because I shall remind you that all Ukrainian women were and are allowed to escape (they even received help in my country of Poland), but all men are forbidden to save their lives, and have to suffer from injuries, ripped of limbs, PTSD or even die. Nobody forces woman to do anything, nobody even forces women to give birth, but apparently forcing men to give up their health, life and killing other men is okay?
That sounds like they expect to be allowed an abuse of power. And 🍇 by soldiers in war is already a crime and disgusting. Women don't cause wars, so why should they be punished for it?
When I am about to give up hope on humanity, I remind myself that this channel exists. Many thanks.
This was a great video, great job Salari! I had no idea about the indepth nature of that interview.. damn.
For a much deeper dive, Moon Channel did an almost 2 hour documentary (in 2 parts) regarding this phenomena.
Recently saw the Moon Channel documentary and it's superb.
I have complicated feelings about Megalia. Of course, I do not condone their use of violent imagery or the outing of gay men, but yeah, I’d be lying if l said there wasn’t some part of me that thought it was refreshing to hear a story of women threatening men instead of the other way around. As a woman, it’s hard not to indulge the part of oneself that just wishes they could hurt like you hurt, and it’s painful to see that even in our activism we’re being asked to be polite and reasonable. Rationally, I realize that condemning threats and outings is not the same as tone policing, but I guess it’s just difficult to extinguish the desire to be able to stoop their level. I can’t believe we live in a world where wearing a milquetoast white feminist slogan on a T-shirt is a fireable offense.
I also think it’s important not to absolve “the civilized West” of guilt when pointing fingers at another culture’s faults. Just this week we all watched in shock and horror (“How could this happen *here*?”) as the story broke of a woman who was drugged and raped by her orchestra colleagues. She left. They were reinstated.
This video is much appreciated though ~
They were angry and fought back, and they were treated worse than the men that get away with rape and murder.
I am curious if they met every mysoginist in their space with the same punishment. If it happened to a man to have something that vaguely seems mysoginistic, everyone would call it the worst injustice for mistaking him for a mysoginist when it wasn't true.
You're justifying the counter-reaction to it, now.
i wonder if those who participated in the hateful mob against sulli realized they helped kill her. i don't think i would able to live with myself after that if i was a part of it unless i looked within & made some really radical changes to be a better person.
it's all so sad how aggressive, entitled, & controlling so many feel over the lives of others.
I know relatively little about Korean culture. But it always struck me as odd that K-pop idols are criticised if they adopt a cute, childlike demeanour (she's 25, she should act her age) AND also criticised if they dress and look sexy (she's so slutty, that outfit is really trashy).
They just can't win. Navigating this dichotomy by walking in this socially acceptable middle ground (while trying to still remain interesting and NOT appear like you're a boring person without a personality) just sounds sooo exhausting. Idk how South Korean women do it tbh.
26:46 It's actually not so much about power as it is about 'respect'. South-Korea has an extremely Confucian society where hierarchy trumps ought else. The fact that women 'dare to disrespect those higher in the hierarchy' by advocating for more equal rights is therefore met with extreme opposition. A boss punches down to their employees, employees punch down to their kouhai / younger family members, men punch down to women, women punch down to LGBTQ+. Punching up or sideways is a complete faux pas.
Sexism is a result of South-Korean culture, but despite all the moral objections Westerners will have on that particular facet, it's but a part of a far more deep-rooted problem.
Moon Channel has a very insightful two-part essay on the Korean gender-war. I'm also curious what your stance is on Moon's approach to essays.
PS: 37:21 The irony of this statement as it applies to capitalism is not lost on me
Thank you for this insight. I just finished watching Moon Channel’s video essays. This may be petty, but calling the subject a “gender war” is such a weird phrase. It makes the conflict sound new or recent. It also makes it sound like there’s an unpredictable outcome or a genuine threat to the status quo. Idk..
I think it’s really just a continuation of the struggles that women have had for several millennia using new tools that make it more visible and easier to discuss. 🤷♀️
It's also power. And Kouhai is Japanese. Korean uses 'Hubae' (후배)
@@LoneWulf278 I see what you mean. It probably stems from the premise or context in which Moon discusses the subject.
On the flip side, calling it a 'war' would make sense in a way, because both sides end up losing. The only way out for everyone in S-Korea is a big cultural restructuring of sorts...
@@sophiesong8937 Perhaps it is. Most societies have power struggles between classes and throughout hierarchies. I wonder if Confucianism or class struggle takes an upper hand in S-Korea.
Regarding 'kouhai', it's a term somewhat more familiar among a Western audience, that's why I used it. Cheers for teaching me the Korean term :)
@Celis.C Just be aware it can come across as insensitive to use Japanese words interchangeably, while speaking sbout Korea, because of the history of Japanese occupation of Korea, which included forcing Koreans to use Japanese names and speak Japanese.
To all women in South Korea suffering due to misogynistic beliefs and different kinds of abuse, we see you and we support you. Stay strong!
There is no one suffering from misogynistic beliefs it’s just you feminists have a victim complex and now want to push it to other countries as well that don’t even have the issues you claim they have. There is nothing a man can do that a woman can’t do in South Korea. Feminism is basically just giving women special privileges at this point and that’s why there is huge resistance against them weather here in South Korea or in the West. Men have had enough of women complaining and perpetuating their delusions, and men have had enough of women empowerment that’s coming at the expense of men
@@rmmx77 Lmao. Typical male response. You're purposely being obtuse about feminism, because you want to continue to enforce unpaid, indentured servitude women have been subjected to for generations. We're just now fighting for our rights, which didn't happen until the last 100 years. Of course weak males like you are against it, because you're against us and all women. Don't worry, you're becoming a dying breed. Women will continue to evolve and we will stop at nothing to keep it.
@@GB-vw6krNah I’m being correct about it. You women have insecurities that you want to project to other countries that don’t have it. Ask any random Korean women about any of the issues discussed here and they will think you are insane. Contrary to what is being said here women here don’t feel oppressed and have just as much opportunities as men have. Just because you feminists in the west are insecure about yourselves doesn’t mean women in other societies feel the same. Indentured servitude is also just more feminist drivel. Men have been providers and women tend to the home. You say it as women are slaves and men just sit around on the couch when we are the ones busting our ass to bring food to the table and provide for the household which includes the “indentured servant” you are describing, and newsflash no one is forcing that on women. Women can go get a job in Korea if that’s what they want. My wife is Korean and she also her own business hell I even helped start that business with my own money, but sure I’m the evil one because I’m calling out the bs from white knighters like the individual in this video and the insecure feminists in the west who want to project their own issues and insecurities here
Most women here as well as the men are just normal people living their lives and have no care for labels of oppression or whatever cheap virtue signals westerners bring to Korea
Let's be honest here. As far as megalia is radical, it still far, far, far away from a equity to what men have done to women in korea. Literally milhoes of baby girls where aborted and many time killied. And as far as we know, no man was harmed. Also: the first rule of feminis is to protect life. Hence the only time to take life is "accepted" is in self defense, wich is exactly what they are doing in a state of desesperate. Last and most important question: WHERE are the men who claim to be protector when is the patriarchy hurting girls, women, babies and even other men?
At the end of the day all Megalia did was upset men with their words. They don't go out to physically harm men or take away their opportunities. They are merely a scapegoat to point a finger at so men can be like ''see!?'' and scare other women into staying silent. Some of the more ''harmful'' things Megalia supposedly has done or said was only done by a very small minority, but all you gotta do is take a screenshot of an individual comment and then tell people they all think like that.
As an example, the ''abort baby boys'' was most likely also a mirroring statement, because of how sons are still prioritized over daughters.
When I looked into them I truly didn't see anything super controversial. It was mostly them calling misogynist men out on their shit and... being right.
Based. It makes me chuckle every time a breadtuber equates female online radicalism to male ones as if there are countries out there with centuries of female enforced male infanticide, male genital mutilation, removing men of human rights, removing men bodily autonomy, and so much more thousands of years of patriarchy has committed lol. Also why use a clouded term such as sexism? Say the scary word: Misogyny.
Megalia was a needed movement in a country with things like the Nth Room and the Burning Sun scandal. Where women can be recorded ANYWHERE without their consent, blackmailed and harassed. Where middle school girls were tortured and exploited for the joy of men in the Nth room. Of course, any effective liberation movement by women will be portrayed as extremist, even by this dude.
Patriarchal men protect their family and their children, not some stranger. If you want protection from a man, start a family with him. If you want to be alone and not have children, that's cool too - we aren't living in North Korea or China where women will soon be forced to breed. So it's perfectly fine choice. But don't expect a stranger to save you. Not their problem. Arm yourself or something. Or at least vote someone in that let's you arm yourself.
@@OpheliaNL "They don't go out to physically harm men" I would beg to differ that one. Please look up WOMAD.
A very good addendum to this for anyone looking to see more of s. Korea's wild cultural issues around this stuff, definitely check out Moon Channel's recent 2 part series (ostensibly) about gatcha games and Korean culture.
I see you there at the end, priming the oil sprayer.
Another great video, as always 💜
Moral of the story: being a woman that just exists is fking exhausting -___-
You aren’t a victim sweetheart. No matter how much the delusional ideology of feminism tells you you are. You people aren’t victims
Good thing you don't live in sk
@@eddiesmith7867 being around you is exhausting
@@MooooonDemon hearing someone complain and not contributing to a conversation is also exhausting
I'm Russian and what's interesting that you can find the similar problem in Russia, which also is a conservative country. But we have slightly different history about treatment of women.
When the Russian Empire was replaced by the Soviet Union, women finally had rights to work and education, which they did not really have before. Women in the past had only few opportunities in life: to become a wife and a mother, to become a nun and live inside a church, or to move to a town/city and work very low-paid jobs like housemaid, nanny, tutor (who were predominantly men) etc. Feminist ideals about the equality of men and women were not only discussed, but also actively promoted by the Soviet government. Which, naturally, didn't please the society of that time, which was predominantly rural with remaining traditionalist ideals about the primacy of men in the family and in society. Given that the population was mass-moving to cities and villagers were much more illiterate than city dwellers (which the government tried to correct through an educational program), there were constant conflicts between the two divided societies. While citizens pushed the social standards for women to change, villagers fought hard to make patriarchal standards to remain.
Everything became worse after World War II, when Soviet Union faced one of the biggest gender gaps in population. There were much more women than men, because the majority of men from Greatest and Silent generations went to war and died. So, the government pushed away the idea of gender equality and instead, started promoting the idea of prioritizing male population. Little boys were much more valued than little girls, not because, like in Eastern Asia, they had more rights to carry a family name, but because if a family had a son, they had more chances to take part in restoring male population, which could give them some social credits and benefits. During 50s, the abortion was banned in favor of restoring male population (which was legalized again in 60s). Men, who were born in Baby Boomer and Gen X, were not only favored, they were treated literally like KINGS! Male boomers and Gen X grew up spoiled and cattered to by their own single mothers. Despite high divorce rates and that women could still have education and jobs, women were forced by people to marry as young as possible and birth children, especially boys. And if husbands were abusive towards their wifes, families told them to be silent and do ANYTHING to keep the male pants inside the house, because the male population was already scarce and without a boyfriend or a husband, a woman would be treated as a second-class citizen. In Russia, there is even an old saying: “do not take the rubbish out of the hut” which means that all family problems concerned only the family, and you, as a family member, have no right to air them in public, except for a narrow circle of friends and acquaintances. Domestic violence and rape were HUGELY underreported, which, combining with further economic failures, resulted in high crime rates and rise of Soviet serial killers and crime gangs during 70s and 80s, especially in big cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Ekaterinburg, Kazan etc.
After the fall of Soviet Union, the new generations, Millenials and Early Gen Z, were raised by these people, who believed, that men should be prioritized at all costs and that you will be punished for speaking out against domestic violence and rape (even by other women). For the first time in years, there was the rise of feminist movements. The young guys, whom their own mothers and fathers had cared for and cherished all their lives, were outraged by this, because “women already have all the rights, why should they fight for?” The fact that religion was again shoved into everyone's throats, like in Russian Empire, didn't help at all. These guys "men's rights movements" in the 00s and 10s in response to feminism, which supposedly fight for the protection of men's rights, but in fact, most of them are alt-right, anti-feminist groups that promote a return to patriarchy as "the only true path for Russia". They aren't shy about insulting women both online and in real life, and often engage in various forms of violence, such as stalking, doxxing, and death threats against women and men who don't support their political believes. The current government now pushes "traditional values" as the main motto of Russia, which negatively affects both rights of women and LGBTQIA+ people (which resulted in "gay propaganda" laws, the list of forbidden professions for women and "silent weeks" for abortion clinics, when clinics aren't allowed to do abortions), and which only fuels these "men's rights movements" and public hostility towards anything, that doesn't match "traditional values". Russian incels amongst young men outnumber South Korean incels.
In Russian media, feminists are portrayed as mentally ill man-haters, and the word “feminist” (often pronounced “femka” in Russian slang) became offensive. It wasn't easy for Russian women in Soviet Union, but now, I believe, they face even more societal and political challenges, than they did during communist regime.
What a telling and informative post! It seems like the Soviet Union/Russia and the USA exist on the same misogynist timeline. And women in both places - as well as all over the world - have just plain had it. What is wrong with the male being that equality is such a threat? From my vantage point in the US, I see a lazy male ruling class that doesn't want to work twice as hard for their entitlements, while many women work twice as hard or more and get only part of the way there. Men having to compete with women motivated by inequality, well isn't that just so frightening to those men afraid of being exposed as not working as hard. Insecure males would be better off just letting go of their insecurities and encouraging equality for all.
4b is amazing, 4b keeps us safer and free even in poverty
4B is just a movement of bitter leftovers who have no chance with men. A word is not going to protect you. Men in general have no interest in harming women and already keep to themselves. Men who do harm women aren’t going to be stopped just because you joined some movement. The men who do harm women are going to continue despite what you call yourself.
34:20 Welcome to the real world, when you're a woman you're also told that you'll find a gentleman that is going to be sweet to you and love you for who you are and all you get is men who abuse you and treat you like sh't and do revenge p'rn on you...
Also the same thing as men: "If you work hard, you'll get out of poverty" but turns out it's almost impossible to get out of poverty actually, and you have to conform with not knowing what you'll eat tomorrow while you have a science degree on your hands and traumatic experiences for having trusted men in the past.
Women: I want a gentleman who knows how to treat a lady and will be sweet.
Also Women: Eww nice guy let me put him in my friendzone as I date the bad boys.
@@rmmx77there is a happy balance of having a bit of both traits
@@benjaminollis7621 I’m just pointing out women’s actions don’t match their words. If there’s a lot of toxic guys out there’s it’s mainly because that’s what women want out of men. You can’t put that on men.
@@rmmx77 true indeed ...
@@benjaminollis7621 @rmmx77 You both are ridiculous dumbasses. End of the argument
Yes misandry is real! Absolutely! I’m a woman and even I see it! But this isn’t misandric! they are fighting for egalitarianism, not female supremacy! EQUALITY!
Your last comment in this video is so important! There is so much to _gain_ from giving other people power, but all anyone with power seems to focus on is what they might lose. They are letting their fear of losing power keep from getting what they really want. All the power in the world can't force someone to like you.
@juls_krsslr7908 indeed, that is men's problem. They should let go of their power and remain equal with every other social class.
Well. I guess I cant ever go to south Korea. Its kinda depressing that the list of places I cant go keeps getting longer the more I learn about the world.
If you're a woman, you definitely shouldn't go there at all (especially without a companion). I had heard lots of stories from both local and foreign female tourists that there is a high level of sexual harassment to foreign women. And that you should always check toilets and even your hotel room, because there can be HIDDEN CAMERAS.
I'm from Eastern Europe and I know that many South Korean men view our women as "hot and easy", so they will casually ask you for how much you cost for a night, if you look stereotypically Eastern European.
Though I really hate k-pop as an individual and musician with a vengeance, it stands for everything that's wrong about the music industry imo.
I hate not treating women as equals even more, I grew up with just my mom and sister they mean the world to me, and I've seen how the outside world would treat them sometimes.....it's disgusting.
I feel that hard brother, all the adults in my life and almost my entire support network growing up were women and girls; Of course a few outstanding fellas here and there, but primarily always women have been there for me human to human, so hearing how humans treat other humans outside of the communities we individually foster is incredibly disheartening and worrisome. All we can really do is band up together and make sure those around us are being respected, supported and encouraged to speak up and be met with understanding and support when faced with blatant social injustices
I was surprised to hear that a K-Pop idol got in trouble when it was revealed she was dating a South Korean movie star. I am not sure what her fans were expecting, but also in a country eith a declining population I would have assumed people were more supportive women who might one day be mothers...pursuing that.
I've been hearing a lot about sexism in south korea since those stellar blade videos came out, and i have to say if i was a woman in south korea, I'd be radicalised too.
They aren’t radicalized it’s just you feminists project your own issues on to other countries that don’t see any issues in their societies, ask any South Korean women and they will likely be content with their lives. It’s not enough for western feminists to poison their own societies now you people want to poison others as well
I've been reading up about Korea, their culture, and history for a couple years now, so I wasn't entirely shocked or surprised about this video because sexism is so deeply rooted and long running in Korean culture.
I'm happy though that as more people get interested in Korea, more people are willing to talk about these problems because even a micro amount of information can put a serious change on how you view and process media from a place.
No wonder the 4B movement is so strong. I understand why women join it
Lmao no it isn’t I live in South Korea and most women don’t even know what that is.
I hope it goes international.
@@outdoorminer5533 I hope so too, finally freeing us men from those complainers, and crybabies.
It's a great idea. Until you can think a few decades ahead. Have less babies and make men not rooted in the country with a family so they won't defend it when North Korea attacks because they might even think they will have more success in a North Korean style socialist country. Women hurt themselves in their confusion.
@@rmmx77 Yeah, go date each other and leave us alone! Nice to see you agree.
Mate thank you for covering this. It's all you mentioned in this video and so much more here in every aspect of society in Korea and I'm just sick of it 😢
It needs to be said. Respect Women
Not only women but respect everyone!
respect is earned.
@@AmirDarkOne Respect is given by default, trust is earned.
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
everything is earned.
You mean the same women who say “all men must die” “all men are evil”, and follow an ideology that advocates for female supremacy, and people wonder why the resistance against feminism is stronger outside of the west.
Very nice video as always! :) Well done!
great summary, thank you 🙏
not sure though, thousands years of oppression equals gender conflict. also "forgot" to address extreme violence, domestic or public, against women
Fantastic as always.
Thank you for the video. The content was greatly informative 🩵💛🩵💛
Idk man, I think it's not exactly a bad thing to expose someone that is betraying his wife and lying about loving her no matter what s_xuality he is.
Oh god i wish the women luck and strength in their lives
I love your videos, such a deep analysis
Big fan of your work. Thanks for another fascinating video.
wow, if i was born in sk as a woman i would instantly become a misandrist
@33:25 It’s funny because if you ask most men, they’ll deny having any power. But if they aren’t on a pedestal, then what are they so scared of losing? 😂
most men dont have any power in our current systems either. it is just a few and all this ethnic, gender, etc are essentially just distractions and divide and conquer tactics in the class struggle.
Would you respect a man if he was respectful to you?
I would respect a woman if she was cool and respectful to me, if not I would just stay clear of them, and let them continue to do what they do in life.
I don’t mean this in the way of relationships and dating, I mean it as social interaction in general.
I think both sides lost huge respect towards each other throughout the years.
Both were all raised to be a certain way and some actually do show respect to everyone around them, but there are also people out there that don’t like one side just because they exist, even if many of one side are very empathetic and respectful, that’s when there is a huge problem, when someone hates someone just because they exist and they themselves never caused any physical or mental pain to those who just hate them or even cross paths and met them.
The world can be very cruel sometimes.
I don't get the strawberry thing.
k-pop stan, I'll explain, Wonyoung is a real rising star of k-pop, and is very popular right now for her talent and looks. She ate the strawberry with both hands, and the people said she was intentionally trying to infantilize herself and they started making fun of her for being too "aegyo" (a style of speaking and acting that is very cutesy and young). So people started to make fun of her for it. Then other Kpop idols were getting in on the joke and making fun of her by doing the same thing, and then Wonyoung and IVE stan's started to say it was bullying... and then a circle of finger pointing ensued.... over a strawberry.
@@artisticcrossbreed that is wild. I am curious though, is the "cute" thing not looked at favorably in Korea like it is in Japan?
@@danielg.w5733 Honestly, I'm not sure? To me as a foreigner, Aegyo and Kawaii, seem really similar to me too. But I know that aegyo can be seen as more cringy in korea. I remember watching a video of the members of Itzy doing a promotion with a lot of cutsy poses, classic aegyo stuff, but during a behind the scenes of them doing that promotion. The moment they are off camera they are rolling their eyes at them selves for how corny it is. I think it's moreso about the performative nature of it. Like people assumed that Wonyoung was putting on a performance to get attention, and not that, maybe she just eats that way sometimes.
@@artisticcrossbreed I'd like to add that many kpop fans thought Wonyoung had no talent other than looking pretty (wrong but that was the perception) and were jealous of her popularity as the "it girl" of the current gen, so that's why they targetted her strawberry thing as part of what they thought was a pattern of her 'trying too hard to look good all the time' while on camera. I don't remember the timeline of events but Wonyoung also had an incident where she and another member of her group lipsynced for a ballad cover while sitting down, so they got added onto the 'looks over talent' complaints about the industry as well.
@@anny8720 The hate was so massive that it ended up on the news and they were even going to ban lip-syncing all together. All because a pretty girl sang while sitting down 😭
Gutting to think that a lot of the great skincare coming out of Asia has some really sad motivations. (Sunscreen that's clear to begin with is just so excellent)
Why would you trust beauty products which ideally turn the user into ghosts in the first place?
Another amazing video! Keep fighting the good fight Salari!
This was in general a great overview of some of the social challenges women in South Korea go through. Glad to hear you collaborated with a woman @soomi to make this illuminating content❤👏
I only helped with some things, but I was certainly happy to have participated. Thank you for supporting the video!
I enjoyed that you spoke clearly about what you consider acceptable and what you don't.
Also that you showed the successes admist the sexism south korean women are facing.
It felt like an balanced video that did not waste my time or overstimulate. Thank you for this informative and succinct video. It was easy to follow and listen to with examples and visuals.
You always post banger after banger after banger 🔥🔥🔥. I will always be there for you video
Commenting for algorithm. Thank you for this video,
This is totally unrelated to the video but I thought your desktop wallpaper looked familiar, and it's the same one I'm using as my lock screen on my monitors lol
Great taste
Thanks for the video, I'm going to watch your previous one now, the algo sure didn't do it any favors it seems
Most Malaysian especially mainstream media here in Malaysia always glorifying South Korean "celebrity" to the point it's unbearable to watch. Malaysian believes by adopting culture that maintaining by SK entertainment industry would somehow give them a purpose and popularity--and to me that sound like a cult.
There had been something bugging me about SK stuff fo a while something about the way female characters are made. And learning there is a big anti-feminist stance has felt like it.
I have a hard time with the idea of supporting any SK properties that might even be complacent in anti-feminist messaging. So I don't think I can morally get a game made there if I don't know they are against what seems common and horrid. I feel no solidarity with any community that supports the harassment of women wanting equality.
Well presented and researched analysis. This could be applied to any country really, though it is sad how Korea seems to be one of the worst offenders in this area. New subscriber here.
36:52 - Words worth repeating
Fantastic video! I'm watching this on loudspeaker with the hope that my brothers are listening.
Very interesting and thoughtful material. While watching Korean content, games, K-Dramas, K-Pop, I had some of the same conclusions and thoughts.
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Very interesting! Moon channel also posted a video on a similar topic 3 months ago
1:50 That's literally the same thing Eidos developers said about Lara Croft when the first Tomb Raider game came out and look how iconic she became.
Sulli... never forgotten.
Thank you for creating this video. I am not Korean, but this issue affects me as a woman and POC.
We need more empathy and compassion in people. If people can be bigger than themselves to imagine how the other thinks and feels, we wouldn't be imposing and oppressing one group or the other.
Easier said than done though :/
My uncle was a very good man, he respected women, he worked hard, he even saved money from his part time job to support is little sister's college fund. He helped my mother and his cousins when they all immigrated here to the US from the Philippines to escape poverty. You know how he got thanked? He got drafted to Vietnam, saw boys fresh out of high school die infront of him in agony, and fell into a punji trap (pit full of bamboo spikes covered in urine feces and bugs to cause infection) or stepped on a landmine. His body was never found.
You do not have to worry about ending up like my uncle Kiko, because you are a woman.
When war comes, I, and millions of other men do, because we actually have to fight in war unlike you. YOU, have some empathy and compassion, because yes, your grandmothers and great grandmothers didn't have equal rights, and neither do you, because you have privilege over men in employment, education, and the simple matter of getting picked to die in war or not. That affects me, as a man and POC.
We need more empathy and compassion in women. If people can be bigger than themselves to imagine how men think and feel, we wouldn't be imposing and oppressing one group or the other.
Easier said than done though :/
I don’t endorse the radical positions but I understand why they think like that and I wouldn’t criticize them. Sometimes, radical oppression deserves radical opposition
That radical opposition is only a minority and the redpill movement and manosphere is pretty big in South Korea and we will be damned if we let the feminists pollute this country like they did the West
@dsolis7532 the only reason feminism exist is because of radical opposition. A radical problem can only be balanced with radical opposition.
@@artorhen yes
Aren't the South Korean president in all but words appointed by the big seven companies?
Yes. They are a proxy for the great big 7 families/corpos
Great video! The only thing missing in my opinion is more talk about the low birth rate, although that can be another video!
What I'm curious about is if South Korea is similar to Japan where there's a very strong collectivist mentality vs the USA emphasis on dividualism, and hwo that affects conservative versus liberal politics.
Someone in the comments already mentioned that it's actually men in their 30's-50's that are socially liberal, but somehow men under 20+ men over 50+ are extremely conservative.
The trend seems to be happening in the USA as well, but I'm not sure why.
South Korea has a lot in common with America
Yea and the men are just as socially conservative and just as resistant to the feminists as the men in the US are as well. Redpill is here too
This is a well done summary of the current circumstances but I feel it lacks a lot of the historic context of why S. Korea is like this to begin with. That's really unfortunate because you kind of need that info if you want to really understand it. I happen to know that but most people don't.
I had to check the calendar and the video upload date to make sure I didn't accidentally watch a 2014 video in 2024.
We must never forget Sulli
This video is a banger.
Had to drop everything I was doing when I got the notification ☝️
Very well done, if you're looking for an even deeper dive into this topic I can reccommend Moon Channel's 'Korean Gacha drama and Gender wars'. I feel for Korean women, damned if they do, damned if they don't
Great video! One thing that you didn't mention in the video, is the impact of male conscription. I'd be curious to hear how you think that has impacted the landscape surrounding the attitude towards feminism in Korea, as I've heard it bandied about before.
So many men all over the world refuse to understand that feminism helps them too. It allows them to no longer be forced into their own rigid boxes of what it means to be a man, all the things they are required to achieve and ways to act. But instead they just want to listen to grifters tell them to buy that expensive suit and car, work just a few more hours, grind their life away trying to achieve something that doesn't actually make them happy. All so they can be a "man" but only in the eyes of other "men." Because most women, and men who understand, don't give a single crap about all that nonsense.
you are quite right about the grifters you refer to , but extremely wrong about everything else....
@@iamLI3 how are they wrong about anything else
@@rena_sukii feminism is an open attack on men , this is not a benefit
@@iamLI3You should explain your stance otherwise your statement holds no weight. I understand being too lazy to write it all down though... well, take your time...
@@KiriyoKaze-ck9mw i did , my comment got shadowbanned days later i see
even from a characterdesign standpoint, Eve isnt that great. Other characters with similar, skintight sexappeal design still do it a lot better like Widowmaker or Bayonetta. These characters have way more interesting shapelanguage and ideas within their design. Widowmakers hair/weapon, Bayonettas heels and feathery accessories (and hair depending on version) make for a way better silhouette. Eves face and hair is very very basic pretty girl with literally no standout features, the only thing being the tech stuff in her hair. Point is, even sexy, skintight characters can be done better than this.
Bayonetta was designed by a woman which is why her design is both sexy, meaningful and iconic. Eve just looks like ghost from the cancelled Star Craft game. And other skin tight characters have better designs like Tracer from overwatch.
I agree as well. Bayonetta has other elements that are appealing than just her sex appeal. Her hair is her clothes for one which can summon her contracted demons. Her unique mannerisms also demonstrate her own personality and appeals to LGBTQ+ people. She even has guns for shoes!
Even 2B design despite having an exaggerated behind and whoose design caters more to the male gaze. Has underlying symbolism associated with the plot of her game as well as having a striking silhouette.
Eve doesn't seem to have anything particularly striking in her design except for her massive ass and skintight body suit. It's not wrong to have a character design like that. But her contemporaries seems to have elements that helps them stand out then just being a piece of eye candy.
@@icho7984what i didnt even know, cause im not interested in the game, is that she has no expression on her face for even the cover arts. If they wanted to give her some personality, at least do that, but that makes it so obvious that they do not give a shit other than sexappeal. Its not a character, just some dudes fantasy.
The game was just made to be an overglorified hentai. It has nothing to say and nothing to add, unlike Bayonetta for example.
Not too acquainted with Korean culture, but guessing the issues facing women in the K-Pop scene are similar to what women in J-Pop deal with in Japan with the culture's push of purity culture?
Great video!
I am always conflicted about consuming any media from South Korea, be it K-pop, dramas or games, because I know that I am supporting industries exploiting women. At the same time, I keep thinking that ceasing interactions with their culture doesn't help anyone either... What a mess with no way out 😮💨
π-rate everything, get the best of both worlds 🤫
I do the same. Especially with kpop but I do let myself read romance manhwas which are usually written by women so it kinda works out lol
I'm not too familiar with Korean politics.
But I never knew how bad it was for woman.
It's even worse than Japan. At least they try.
It isn’t bad it’s just you feminists are projecting your own issues and insecurities to other countries that don’t have them. Feminism isn’t as prevalent in Japan and South Korea as it is in the West and Women there likely don’t have issues with the traditional gender roles and for women who want a career there is nothing stopping them from getting it. The sexism that this video describes is very very over exaggerated.
Hopefully Japan is improving.