The Asharis Believe The Quran Is Created - Ustadh Abdurrahman Hassan
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- Yahya Ibnu'r-Rabi said: "We were with Malik Ibn Anas and a man entered upon him, so he said: O
Aba Abdullah! What do you say about the one who says that the Qur'an is created? So Malik said: A heretic (zindiq), so fight him." (Abu Nu'aym, al-Hilyah, 6/325; al-Lalika'i, Sharh Usoulu'l-I'tiqaad Ahlu's-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, 1/249; Qadi lyaad, Tartibu'l-Madaarik, 1/460)
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Yahya Ibnu'r-Rabi said: *"We were with Malik Ibn Anas and a man entered upon him, so he said: O Aba Abdullah! What do you say about the one who says that the Qur'an is created? So Malik said: A heretic (zindiq), so fight him."* (Abu Nu'aym, al-Hilyah, 6/325; al-Lalika'i, Sharh Usoulu'l-I'tiqaad Ahlu's-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, 1/249; Qadi lyaad, Tartibu'l-Madaarik, 1/460)
Abdillah*
As it's mudaaf mudaf ilaihi construction
The guy in blue seems to restricted in understanding
@@khaliluddin4157 Yes
Ashari/Khulab oppose Islam, on at least 4! 1) "Allah's speech has no language."
Quran 42 : 7 - And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an...
2) "It does not have sound" - Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
The Prophet (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) said, "On the day of Resurrection Allah will say, 'O Adam!' Adam will reply, 'Labbaik our Lord, and Sa`daik ' Then there will be a loud call (saying), Allah orders you to take from among your offspring a mission for the Nar...
- Bukhari 4741, Kitab Tafsir
3) "Allah's speech is not composed of consecutive letters or words."
Narrated Muhammad bin Ka'b Al-Qurazi:
"I heard 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud saying: 'The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) said: "[Whoever recites a letter] from Allah's Book, then he receives the reward from it, and the reward of ten the like of it. I do not say that Alif Lam Mim is a letter, but Alif is a letter, Lam is a letter and Mim is a letter."
- Tirmidhi 2910, Virtues of Quran
4) "text of the Qur'an are definately creations"
Quran 17 : 86 - And if We willed, We could surely take away that which We have revealed to you (i.e. this Qur'an).
Ibn Kathir - Ibn Mas`ud said, "A red wind will come to the people at end of time, from way of Syria, & *there will be nothing left in a man's Mushaf (copy of the Qur'an) or in his heart, not even one Ayah.''*
So the writing of the Quran is apart of Allah's revelation and uncreated speech, even if the materials and actions of creation are created.
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View of Ahlul Sunnah is the Quran is written and memorized and recited, it will return to Allah in end times and is uncreated.
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Quran is the speech of Allah uncreated.
Quran 2 : 117. The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it: "Be!" - and it is.
Confusion in the same sect of sunni muslim ,some say uncreated some say created!
Just for the sake of completeness... The brother giving the explanations mentioned that illaa isn’t only used to indicate restriction, as in for example laa ilaaha illaa Allaah, but didn’t get chance to complete his explanation. Knowing that Kalaam only refers to words and sounds, the sahaabah (r.a.a.) would know that illaa could not have this restrictive meaning in the phrase: laa tukallima-n naasa illaa ramzaa (3:41). They would not therefore have understood it as meaning “You will not speak to people except [by] hand gestures” but as “You will not speak to people; [nothing] except hand gestures.” This structure is also found elsewhere, for example: laa yasma’oona fee-haa laghwan illaa salaamaa (19:62) can only mean “You won’t hear any idle talk in it; [nothing] except ‘Salaam.’” The belt-and-braces approach of wa kallama-llaahu moosaa takleemaa “and Allaah Spoke to Moosaa [by] saying words” closed the door of anyone trying to insist on the restrictive-type translation, to deny Allaah (a.w.j.) Speaking with words and sounds.
may Allah reward you. beautifully explained
assalamu alaykum. what is 'the belt-and-braces approach' and 'restrictive-type translation'?
@@FidanHasanzadeStudent Wa 'alaykumus salaam. Belt-and-braces is an idiom, referring to having a back-up in case one thing fails to do its intended job. A belt keeps your trousers from falling down, but if it fails, then the braces keep them up instead. For "restrictive" a dictionary and the examples given should explain what it means. Ma'a salaam.
Jazakallah khair for the upload.
Brother Haajji is correct. The general massess of asharis do not know their books teach that. The ahsaris who actually study ashari creed more in depth delve into this.
No Ashari believes that the Quran is created, care to provide some supposed references?
If an ashari doesn't believe that , then y would u call one a ashari? That's fallacy akhi, bcos ahaira will teach people just like ahlus sunnah will teach people upon the mimbar the belief they want to spread to laymen
@@hamdmuhammed7149 He said that because the general public who prays behind ashari imams, who are 95% of all sunni imams in the subcontinent, may be referred to as asharis because of this.
The vast majority of muslims do not know about these things.
Majority will not even understand when asked is the Quran created or not. They only know there are 5 pillars, 6 articles of faith and a few things that are haram and halal. That is it.
@@saqibimran9342 Al-Bayjoori (who is an Ash’ari) said that in his Hashiyah:
And the madhhab of Ahl us-Sunnah is that the Qur'an, with the meaning of al-Kalaam an-Nafsi [the meaning that resides eternally with the Self of Allaah] is not created. *And as for the Qur'aan with the meaning of the lafdh (the wording) that we recite, then it is created.* However, it is prohibited that it be said, "The Qur'aan is created" intending by that the wording which we recite - except in the context of teaching. Because it may give the presumption that the Qur'aan, with the meaning of His The Most High's Kalaam (i.e. that which resides in the Self) is created. And for this reason, the scholars withheld from speaking with the Qur'aan [being] created.
This view is also held by Al-Juwayni and Fakhruddin Ar-Razi.
@@saqibimran9342 Abu Ma’ali Al-Juwayni said that these wordings which we recite is created.
For the meaning of their (The Mu’tazilah) saying, "These are the expressions of the speech of Allaah" is that they are His creation, *and we do not reject that they are the creation of Allaah* , but we prohibit from calling the Creator of [this] speech as "mutakallim" on account of them.
So we have come to an agreement [with the Mu'tazilah] upon the meaning but we have disputed, after this agreement, about its appellation (i.e. what to call this meaning).
[Kitab Al-Irshad]
Al Bajuri said the same:
And the madhhab of Ahl us-Sunnah is that the Qur'an, with the meaning of al-Kalaam an-Nafsi [the meaning that resides eternally with the Self of Allaah] is not created. *And as for the Qur'aan with the meaning of the lafdh (the wording) that we recite, then it is created.* However, it is prohibited that it be said, "The Qur'aan is created" intending by that the wording which we recite - except in the context of teaching. Because it may give the presumption that the Qur'aan, with the meaning of His The Most High's Kalaam (i.e. that which resides in the Self) is created. And for this reason, the scholars withheld from speaking with the Qur'aan [being] created.
A Question, if the asl of a certain belief (in this case, creation of the quran) is disbelief, but an individual's interpretation isn't, how is he judged
جزاكم الله خيرا
(3) من فضائح الأشعرية: موافقتهم للجهمية والمعتزلة في خلق القرآن، ومنافقة المسلمين!
1- قال أبو بكر الباقلاني (403هـ): «والنازل على الحقيقة، المنتقل من قطر إلى قطر قولُ جبريل عليه السلام،» الإنصاف (ص147).
2- أبو المعالي الجويني(478هـ): «فإن معنى قولهم-أي المعتزلة- هذه العبارات كلام الله: أنها خلقه، ونحن لا ننكر أنها خلق الله..» الإرشاد إلى أصول الاعتقاد(ص117).
3- الفخر الرازي (606هـ): «أجمع المسلمون على أنّ الله تعالى متكلم، لكن المعتزلة زعموا أنّ المعنى بكونه متكلّما أنه خلق هذه الحروف والأصوات في جسمٍ.
وأما نحن فنزعم أن كلام الله تعالى صفة حقيقية مغايرة لهذه الحروف والأصوات...
واعلم أن التحقيق أنّا لا ننازع المعتزلة في كونه متكلما بالمعنى الذي ذكروه...
والحاصل: أن الكلام الذي حاولوا إثبات حدوثه فنحن لا ننازعهم في حدوثه، والكلام ندّعي قِدَمه لا يجري فيه ما ذكروه من الأدلة». نهاية العقول في دراية الأصول (2/303، 326).
4- تقي الدين المقترح الأشعري: «وما يدّعون حدوثه فنحن نسلّم أنه حادث، وندّعي بعد ذلك إثبات أمر آخر وراءه نحكم عليه بالقدم، وهم نافون أصله فكيف ينازعون في قدمه؟».
وقال: «قالوا (المعتزلة): أجمع المسلمون قاطبة قبل ظهور هذا الخلاف على أن القرآن كلام الله، وأنه سور وآيات، وله مفتتح ومختتم، وأنه معجزة الرسول، وكل ذلك من أوصاف الحدوث».
ثم قال في جواب المعتزلة: «والجواب: أن ما ادّعوا فيه الإجماع على أنه معجزة فنحن نسلّم حدوثه، يبقى النزاع فيما وراءه من الكلام الأزلي القائم بالنفس... وقد سلّمنا حدوث كل كلام مؤلف من الحروف»،
«ومعلوم أن الإعجاز في النظم، ونحن نسلّم حدوث الكلام المؤلف المنظوم». شرح الإرشاد للمقترح (1/375، 386، 393، 399).
5- ابن بزيزة التونسي الأشعري: «إن الاتفاق بيننا وبينهم حاصل على أن ما وصفوه بأنه سور وآيات حادث، وإنما الخلاف في طرف آخر». الإسعاد في شرح الإرشاد (ص341).
6- عضد الدين الإيجي: «اعلم أنّ ما يقوله المعتزلة وهو خلق الأصوات والحروف، وكونها حادثة، فنحن نقول به، ولا نزاع بيننا وبينهم في ذلك، وما نقوله من كلام النفس: فهم ينكرون ثبوته..» المواقف في علم الكلام (ص/294).
7- وقال سعد الدين التفتازاني:«وتحقيق الخلاف بيننا وبينهم يرجع إلى إثبات الكلام النفسي ونفيه، وإلا فنحن لا نقول بقدم الألفاظ والحروف، وهم لا يقولون بحدوث كلام نفسي». شرح العقائد النسفية (ص91).
8- وقال الشيخ البيجوري في شرح جوهرة التوحيد (ص94) (ومذهب أهل السنة- أي الأشعرية- أن القرآن بمعنى الكلام النفسي ليس بمخلوق، وأما القرآن بمعنى اللفظ الذي نقرؤه فهو مخلوق.
لكن يمتنع أن يقال : القرآن مخلوق ويراد به اللفظ الذي نقرؤه إلا في مقام التعليم ؛ لأنه ربما أوهم أن القرآن بمعنى كلامه تعالى مخلوق ).
وقال البيجوري (ص94): (وهل القرآن بمعنى اللفظ المقروء أفضل، أو سيدنا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ تمسك بعضهم بما يروى : كلّ حرف خير من محمد وآل محمد. لكنه غير محقق الثبوت.
والحق أنه صلى الله عليه وسلم أفضل؛ لأنه أفضل من كل مخلــــــــوق ، كما يؤخذ من كلام الجلال المحلي على البردة ، ويؤيده أنه فعل القارئ ، والنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم افضل من القاريء وجميع أفعاله .والأسلم الوقف عن مثل هذا ؛ فإنه لا يضر خلو الذهن عنه انتهى ملخصا من حاشية الأمير " ) .
9- وقال صاحب حاشية الأمير :(اللفظي: هو حادث، والله سبحانه وتعالى لا يتكلّم به، بل خلقه الله في اللوح المحفوظ، وأنزله على جبريل، ونزل به جبريل على سيدنا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم بالمعنى واللفظ جميعاً على الراجح).
10- إبراهيم بن أحمد المارغني (1349هـ): (فالقرآن الذي يجب تنزيهه عن الحدوث والخلق هو القرآن بمعنى كلامه تعالى، وأما القرآن بمعنى الألفاظ المقروءة فهو حادث ومخلوق لله سبحانه) بغية المريد لجوهرة التوحيد (ص70).
11- من الأشاعرة المعاصرين الدكتور محمد سعيد رمضان البوطي: (أما جماهير المسلمين أهل السنة والجماعة فقالوا: إننا لا ننكر هذا الذي تقوله المعتزلة، بل نقول به، ونسمِّيه كلاماً لفظياً، ونحن جميعاً متفقون على حدوثه وأنه غيرُ قائم بذاته تعالى؛ من أجل أنه حادث). كبرى اليقينيات(ص125).
أين القول بخلق القرآن؟ لماذا انت تكذب ؟
هل لاتخاف أن تقوم أمام الله
وهل الأشاعرة أناس صغار ؟ بل هم أكثر علماء الأمة الكبار وأنت تتهمهم؟ من انت ؟ انت ليس بشيء
@@muslimuddin3656 كأنك لم تقرأ اي شيء من هذا.
@@DaudBurke
قرأته هذا منذ الصغر ولم أجد فيه شيء عما قلت
بل أجد في مذهبكم موافقة للمعتزلة والكرامية والجهمية
@@muslimuddin3656 نعم هم وافقونا في بعض الحق الذي عليه السلف
وهل مجرد موافقة بعض اشياء يدل على بطلان منهج في الكلية؟
لا يقول ذلك عاقل
@@DaudBurke
لفظ السلف لفظ مجمل .للمعتزلة سلف وللاساعرة سلف وللاحناف سلف وللسلفية سلف
فلا مزية لكم فيه
والموافقة وقعت في الباطل .ان تريد فسأنبأك
Hajji is speaking about awam
Yea
“The reality of the Ash’ari doctrine is that there is no God in the heavens, nor is there a Quran on this earth, and nor is Muhammad a messenger of God’. Ibn Fuwarrak was killed by the great ruler Ibn Subuktakin for claiming that the Prophet SallAllahu alaihi wa-sallam was only a messenger when he was alive, and he isn’t a messenger anymore after his death.”
Ibn Qudama RA
Reference??
Are you even Muslim ??
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How can you lie like this you are attributing muathazili beliefs to us Ash'aris
Ash' aris are the children of the muathazili aqeedah
Ashary 's are the modification, addition of Mutazila Aqeeda.
Mutazila denies - all attributes of Allah. Ashary accepts, believes only 7 or 8 attributes of Allah. Mutazila - Quran is created. Ashary - Quran is created. Ashary believe the Quran is with Allah, what we have is Jibreel's speech.
Read the famous debate between Ibne Qudema and Asharys- thanks to Allah, the debate is preserved and shows many beliefs of Asharys, which the common Asharys don't know. And Imam Abul hasan Ashary himself did tauba, repented and returned to Salafi Aqeeda.
Right off the bat you lied about asharis believing in 7or 8 attributes only. You are only a parrot and unqualified so speak about these matters. Maybe you stop learning about people from their enemies since it’s given you a distorted idea of who they are
He literally cited your ulama, how is it lying
@@ponderingspirit1475 I'm a student of knowledge and I swear by allah our teacher conducted classes approximately a week or two that kalam allah isn't makhlooq. And yes I am ashari .
The kitab we were studying is al aqaid an nasafi .
Abdurahman couldn't answer brother hassan when he told abdurahman he's making tashbeeh....he's just keep saying kalaam kalaam kalaam yet he couldn't even answer the guy properly
What part didn’t he answer?
No Athari makes tasbih, you are the ones that make tasbih of Allah by assuming Allahs 'hand' is problematic. We say what Allah says, his hand is unknown to us, we affirm it and not ask how.
@@سليمان-ع2و upper case A in Allah...
some Asharis say Allah's hand means power though. I have seen it myself!
@@سليمان-ع2و Asharis don’t believe Allah has a hand, rather they say it’s anthropomorphism and it must be reinterpreted in a metaphorical way. Some asharis specified a particular metaphorical meaning (mu’awwila) whilst others said it’s metaphorical but didn’t give a specific metaphorical meaning (mufawwidha).
@@ibmsulaymani that's the issue. Reinterpretation. Which qualifies as changing Allah's speech.
Allah The Most High says: إِنَّآ أَنزَلْنَـٰهُ قُرْءَٰنًا عَرَبِيًّۭا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
{Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran so that you may understand.} Surah Yusuf, Verse 2.
It's crystal clear bro.
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