What is Vineyard Churches?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Vineyard Churches is a third-wave Charismatic association in the USA and worldwide. This video explains their history and theology.
00:00 History
00:39 Theological Feel
01:27 Major Doctrines/Ordinances
01:56 Baptism
03:48 Lord's Supper/Communion
06:57 Scripture
09:21 Creation/Evolution
11:43 Original Sin
12:20 Salvation Experience
13:15 Calvinism/Arminianism
16:22 Charismatic
17:17 Spirit Baptism
17:47 Third-Wave Charismatic
19:33 Initial Evidence Doctrine/Tongues
21:17 Healing
23:32 Prophecy
25:29 Manifestations
26:42 Toronto Blessing
28:53 Eschatology
30:42 Sexuality
36:30 Divorce & Remarriage
38:16 Abortion
39:02 Worship Style
41:34 Alcohol
42:00 Tithing
42:58 Influences
43:44 Church Polity
45:37 Offices
45:47 Role of Women
47:04 Ecumenism & Statistics
I belonged to the Vineyard Christian Fellowship in Colorado Springs, CO in the mid 80s under pastor Walt Dehart. I left because it lacked true discipline in the gifts. After the sermon, it became an ‘anything goes’ type session where EVERYONE spoke in tongues and EVERYONE thought they were a prophet. Like I said, very undisciplined.
What about priesthood of all believers? The very foundation of missions in the gospels and acts.
@@gkidkid The priesthood of all believers is not out of control, erratic, undisciplined, without direction and self centered.
Plain and simple: it was NOT God. That is why I left.
Got a Bible verse to back that up?
Paul admonished us to be orderly in use of spiritual gifts
This is why Presbyteriams follow the regulatory principle of orderly Worship.
Thank you so much. WE appreciate your information and how you presented it.
Дякую за вашу працю. Я впродовж 17 років знаходжуся в церкві Виноградник в Україні. За цей час багато людей пройшли через Виноградник, але завжди було прийняття людини такої,як вона є. З її слабкостями та недоліками. Завжди вчили про цінність особистих відносин з Богом. Для мене було відкриттям деякі доктринальні моменти.
Багато залежить від керівництва. У більш "харизматичних" лідерів є небезпека, що віряни будують свою віру на пасторі. А коли він покине церкву, або впаде, тоді і спільнота потерпає від цього.
Мені подобається гасло: "зовсім не досконала церква для абсолютно не досконалих людей".
Але любов до Бога робить нас досконалими.
Завжди радіймо!
I love learning about churches in Ukraine. 🇺🇦
For about ten years I was in a Vineyard Fellowship, including leadership. The experience was welcomed, appreciated, valuable training for what was to come next. Your presentation of the Vineyard Association of Churches, including the disparities and tensions within it, is simply excellent! Thankyou.
I enjoy reading all this comments from these believers and vineyardites. I listened, learned and applied what these three gentleman and pastors taught who are John winner I mean Wimber at the end of his wonderful life journey then Carl briefly than Lance Pittluck at the Anaheim Vineyard Christian Fellowship for many years.
Former Boise Vineyard here. Like so many associations, there’s the good, the bad, and the ugly. A really solid breakdown.
I learned more about forgiveness towards church leaders after my Vineyard experience than I ever thought necessary; but in time I came to see this was a useful thing for Christian life.
Extremely well researched, enjoyed your unbiased perception of the Vineyard. Well done!
Interesting that vineyard takes a sacramental view on communion but not so much on baptism.
Hey new subscriber watched some of your videos and you have been very respectful and knowledgeable about all subjects discussed keep up the great work and I enjoy all your videos. Your videos do give good information for apologetics and just general info. So thank you and God bless
Ok! Wow! I have decided to subscribe to your page. You are super incredible in my book because you have researched extensively this denomination’ s beliefs, practices and church polity. You should be paid for such work my friend. I love how you are not making personal comments or biases about any of the denominations that you present but instead you just give the information of how they see themselves. Anyway, I just want you to know how much I appreciate your ministry and I will be passing your videos to my good friends. God bless you and your wonderful work!!
Thank you! I love to learn and am happy to share.
Hello from norway! - Thank you for this very usefull info.
I "grew up" in the Vineyard from the mid 80s. I am currently transitioning myself to a Calvary Chapel specifically for the precept upon precept teaching from the Word. Sad and exciting at the same time for me.
Sheep need to be fed the Word!
Yes I know I did too I grew up with the Pentecostal Church though I went to Baptist Church one time I liked it
Isaiah is saying this is not how the church should be learning. And you using the idea of precept upon precept proves the point right there it seems.
Calvary Chapel has missed the mark in many ways because of this.
Thanks for this Video. Great work.
Thanks for this post, you hv done your research well. Shalom from Indonesian vineyard church
I love and miss the Vineyard dearly, this video made me quite nostalgic. Excellent resource, by the way, I love the quality of this channel.
Recently moved and looking for a church-- had no idea about the background of this. Thanks!
Thank you. This is a very accurate description of the denomination. I went to a Vineyard for a long time that split over LGBT affirmation. Ken Wilson was my pastor. The LGBT document you referenced was made after an associate pastor was outed in our church which is why it's so specific in how it words there rubutal of Ken's take on the subject.
I was brought up in a Vineyard Church, from age 1 to age 21. Once I learned the acronym, I found it to be heavily NAR, and their avoidance of any controversial subject has made it so I can only learn something if I argue about it first
Great Video! Ready to Harvest Rocks!
I attended a Vineyard for 20 years. Now going to an episcopal church. I’m so tired of ritualistically reliving a church service from the 1800’s and really miss the excitement of the Vineyard. “What is God going to do at church today?”
This is first class applied theology. There is clarity, helpful reflection and great historical theology. Well done. Good job!
Love vineyard from manado, indonesia
Like how concepts are explained that I couldn’t quite corall . Spelling? You know herd some beliefs and practices.🤠
PREACH COWBOY!
I did go to a local Vineyard for a year and then ended up getting more out of listening to the preaching at a nearby Assembly of God church. Vineyard pros are worship and prayer. The cons are vague theology and watered-down preaching.
Worship is a plus? It's only contemporary...no solid hymns....and watered down theology is not a minus its a red flag and means...don't go
@@Dilley_G45 It's a red flag that's a plus?
@@EssenceofPureFlavor no. I should have worded it better. They are just modern churches with watered down theology and contemporary worship. And yes...I have been there myself
Very true. I was a long time member of a network that labeled themselves nondenominational, but learned the roots are built on Mormonism and Vineyard practices and beliefs. I left because of the shallow and horrible theology (none of the leaders have proper seminary background. Not even the founder) and the contemporary worship style was also lacking reverence and bible truth.
Yeh, I would discount anything coming from the UK.
Sad that so many people fall for this demonic deception. I rest my case on the Toronto Blessing (curse). Very sad.
what's their atonement theory?
All this sounds pretty good (except, to me, theistic evolution and some concern over the doctrine of inerrancy). My concern with Vineyard is the propensity to be easily overrun by Word of Faith heresies..
I have never known Vineyard to be open to WOF doctrines. It was one of the things that attracted me to it, since I was raised WOF. Vineyard’s Inaugurated Eschatology does not mesh well with many WOF/Dominionist beliefs. Hope that helps.
@@laurasanders5015you’d likely find more distinction on doctrine in YT comments than actually church polity. Big tent and non confrontational are core.
Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept...that they might go and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." The priest and prophet erred through strong drink and wine to the people.
Vineyard churches are ruthless and can rip churches apart. I have seen this first hand because the church I was attending was ripped apart without them even knowing about the church and who was suited for what role.
The didache does not contradict scripture
Some times what the Vineyard writers lack in information they make up for with words...
Deja vu
I was baptized as a 6 month old baby at a Calvery Chapel in California. I was baptized in water at age 12 or so. I grew up in the Vineyard church in SLO and later the 5 cities in California. I was there when the "outpouring of revival" from the Toronto Blessing. I spoke in tongues, I saw demons, "healing", I thought I was prophetic, all of that... It is a cult. period. The Vineyard church uses people's emotions and emotional music to manipulate people. I was in a cult.
Thank you for your testimony. I “came back to faith” at 26 into a “friend of Vineyard church”
Felt I had a real transformative experience but then the next 6 years was too much sifting meat/bones and guarding myself from my baptizing pastor. Eventually confronted things in love and the church slowly disintegrated, rebranded and did the same thing all over with anew lead pastor a couple years later.
My family transitioned to an even less defined non-denominational expression, but I kept having questions.
I now find myself as a catechumen in the Orthodox Church while my wife and her family think I’m a heretic as they were nearly washed in the cloth vineyard/charismatics that don’t see any problem in not being at any one church for more than 7 yrs
Either them leaving over differences, controversy or scandal.
Im 73 and started my journey with the Vineyard in 1983 in san luis obispo,ca...a year later moved and attended Anaheim Vineyard for 13 more years. Moved to Corona, ca and attended Inland Vineyard for 19 more years...they believe the bible is true, teach the word,worship God and spread the gospel...John Wimber died in 1997 And Bill Jackson died in 2015. The Toronto Blessing originated south africa and Argentina...it was not endorsed by John Wimber....look closely at any denomination and you will find discrepancy and disagreement in every belief..Worship God, read the word,love the church and spread the gospel....❤ It does no good to discredit other chuches ...my current Calvary chapel pastor speaks deragatorily about the Vineyard when I know personally how many came to faith and love Jesus because they existed....I don't know what Vineyards in the UK are saying or doing...but I pray any wrong teaching is exposed ❤
How "Jesus is the Son Of God" crowd misread the New Testament not realizing that the Catholic Church had hidden the context which one must restore first.
In other words Christ's Church is Universal but the Son of God's Church is tied up within the framework of Roman Law.
@John Doe
Much of what the RCC teaches was taught by Paul, now If you want to debate whether Paul was really an Apostle that is a different matter.
By the way, the Quran addresses that issue in depth under what constitutes "the True Apostolic Tradition."
I can’t find any validity in a teacher who says that “tongues” can and should be taught. Wimber did this.
If tongues is a gift doesn't it mean it doesn't really need to be taught?
@@scarlettstott7570
Exactly. But Wimber and others are known to encourage people who have no inclination to just start uttering gibberish and call it "tongues."
@@keithwilson6060 so terrible
Then how come we have to learn other languages just to understand our own church at times?
Ozzie Wozzie Original Isn’t that very line of thought how Lutheranism started?
C.S. Lewis argued Jesus could not be simply a moral leader since his saying he is the Son of God, if untrue, would make him a liar. You cannot say people who exercise the gifts are simply wrong or mistaken, but are deluded fools if the gifts are not for today.
And I would say, God is not the author of confusion.
What about muli-racial churches? Nothing here...
The times, they are changin...
I have been to many churches and at no time has anyone been refused entry or participation based on race.
All the emotionalism is not for me, plus I don’t see most of it being of God. I could, however, get into the gold fillings! I really hate going to the dentist.
The statements referencing both Pope Francis and pastoring LGBT persons shows that the Vineyard doesn't take biblical authority very seriously.
Yeah that's a red flag for sure though I did love a Vinyard I attended. I was young in the faith and it was pretty shallow teaching.
Yeah that's a red flag for sure though I did love a Vinyard I attended. I was young in the faith and it was pretty shallow teaching.
So is the gospel not open to all? Are only the few allowed to follow the gospel? I don't see how welcoming but not affirming is contradictory to the bible. Jesus hung out with the prostitutes and the tax collectors. We are all sinners and we shouldn't shun other sinners for sinning
@@jackemmakem yes, Jesus hung out with them. HOWEVER, was Jesus participating in those same activities with them?
@@anthonybarnes1903 yes but vineyard doesn't participate in those activities, so your statement makes no sense
I was raised in a Vineyard church in Iowa. Under pastor Dan Paxton, it grew from a new seed into a megachurch over the first 18 years of my life. The pastors always called it a "nondenominational" church. I didn't know there was more than one Vineyard until I was an adult. I can barely stand to be in a Protestant church anymore due to the homophobia, hypocrisy and mind games I was subjected to as a young queer Christian.
The last time I was there they had a gift shop in the lobby, which grossed me out.
My dad's family was Quaker and I honestly wish my parents had chosen to raise their kids with that over the Vineyard. I might not have left the church if they had.
The idea of reading Genesis as metaphorical would have SHOCKED me as a kid. Either Pastor Dan was quite conservative or things have really changed.
Hi there, I am sorry you left the church. Please find a good local Bible-based church and go there to learn about Jesus. He loves you and he can save you from your lifestyle.
@@Jesusbride515 You think I don't know about Jesus? I went to Sunday school and church and Wednesday youth group for 16 years. I read the Bible. I have put hundreds of hours into academic study of Christian history and theology and a dozen other religions besides.
Please, tell me what lifestyle I'm living that you think I need saving from, based on a 50-word TH-cam comment I wrote months ago.
Your church taught you to proselytize but it did not teach empathy or curiosity. Mustn't let evangelists be too open minded or they start to go off message.
Can you say anything else about what that was like for you? I know some people that go to a Vineyard and it sounds a bit concerning. What were people's position on LGBT and did they try to 'fix' you in some way?
@@skirmishj258 Their position when I was there was that people should have cishet marriages or remain celibate. I heard "love the sinner, hate the sin" when I was there- you wouldn't be shunned, but you would be made to feel ashamed of your feelings. They did purity pledges. I signed one at age 13 saying that our bodies belonged to God and therefore we would only have sex within a Christian marriage. This was in the 2000s. Years later my mom said they'd loosened up, but she's since left herself and the pendulum may well have swung back to where it was during the Bush administration. It's entirely possible that they're talking about children being "groomed" into transing their genders as many of their more open minded members left.
Ahhh, the ignorant brethren!!! don't know how to rightly divide scripture. SAD!!
There over 80,000 Protestant churches or non denominations, iam glad that i belong to the church that Jesus found The Catholic Church
Ah yes, i remember when Christ went to rome himself and found the very spacific "Roman Catholic" chruch, creating personally all the structures that are true today. In fact, Jesus also was the first Pope and build the St Peters Bassilica, by hand and alone. In fact, every sin of the Catholic chruch doesnt exist because it is still ran by Christ himself in the flesh right now. In fact, Jesus didnt even have an deciples, it was just him. Nobody else. Now go preform 66 hail marys, because Christ also had a mom.
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 I read your comment and you are crazy may man.
@@victorvigil7892 sooooooo. no defence then man?
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 what church do you go too.
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 what church do you go too.
I usually like your thoroughness but it feels like in your treatment of the Vineyard churches there is a very negative undercurrent. Its very disappointing. I will stop watching your presentations.