09/07/2024 - There has been a new optimization for the single target and AoE rotations. Here is a new video describing those changes: th-cam.com/video/DBo__kRVSOk/w-d-xo.html
I very much agree! I think the Combination of theoretical Overview followed by a practical Demonstration makes it easy to understand. Plus 1 man, well done and Thank you!
Don't get me wrong, I love Preheat, but he makes Arcane sound so much more complex than it really is haha. That's why I love your videos man! As a new player, your videos taught me the most about arcane
It’s because folks like Preheat and the Wowhead guide writers are great at the game but they’re terrible communicators and teachers. Being unable to succinctly explain how to play the class correctly and then getting frustrated that people are confused is ridiculous.
Yoooo thanks for the drop. I have been at work all day and anxiously waiting for someone to cover and go over the new changes in detail. Way to come in clutch for the purple homies
Great guide ! Thank you especially for the precedent guide, as well as this one ! I think what make your videos better than others is that you're sticking to the rotation , no filler, no rant just data and demonstration. You have my like and subscribe :)
Thank you for posting this, really enjoyed the condensed material and it was easy to follow through! Appreciate your work to bring back the arcane dream :)
Great guide, to echo some of the below comments this guide made it much simpler to understand and i finally learned some things i was doing wrong, many thanks for this guide !
Just noticed you have linked all weakauras in description. Thats amazing thank you. Kinda new to mage, played some in previous expansion but never arcane. Curious to learn as it seems fun and strong, but man is it still confusing. Was trying to find some weakauras to track important procs so yours are godsend.
@@MarsziParszi arcane missile's main use isn't its damage but rather its utility. It generates Nether Precision charges, which buff Blast and Barrage. It generates the 2 charges when clearcasting is consumed (so on cast of Missiles) so you clip the missiles after 3 channel ticks once your GCD is back to maximize damage with the nether precision. You don't clip when Aether Attunement is up because that supercharges your missiles and makes them AoE, so when thats the case we do want the full damage.
@@MarsziParszi No problem! I actually had a slight error in my original comment that I edited to fix. The Nether Precision charges are actually generated when you consume clearcasting and not on channel. You actually let 3 channel since you need GCD to come back up to cast anything else. That doesn't effect anything I said though, the basic idea is still the same of maximizing Nether Precision.
I came back to wow after 4years wanting to main arcane mage but i was about to give up due to difficulty playing it, but thanks to your videos i have encouraged myself to learn because you made it look way too easy, congratulations mans your content is insanely good, new sub!😄
I've been trying to figure this spec out all week, spending hours in the mage dc and reading guides. your explanation made things "click", thank you for the breakdown it's very helpful
back with another banger guide , personally i watch your videos since df and they are very easy to understand come on boys just sub to the man he deserves it and its free , cant have only 8k subs
Thank you for the video and getting it uploaded so quickly! Pretty new to Arcane and I've been wondering what the new rotation would look like. Something that would be really useful in these videos is to slow down the example rotation that you put out, and break down the priority in practice with some of the decision making. Seeing the rotation in real time is useful, but it doesn't illustrate the decision making or the logic of the priority list.
great video as usual. Glad that the "nerf" didn't impact the rotation too much, although it was definitely more fun before especially trying to line up burden of power with the second nether precision to double dip on both at the same time. I can't wait for blizzard to hit us with a flat damage nerf after all this anyways since the nerf was not nearly enough to bring sunfury in line with the other specs.
hey, thanks for the video but i was just wondering at 10:21 you Barrage, Orb, Missles when trying to get charges. I thought that missles with CC have a higher prio than orb.
Hey there. Any chance you'll post a video regarding what we should craft? Going into season 1 we will have 2x sparks available. I am curious as what embellishments to use as the hub website says one while wowhead says another. Idk which to believe and going into the discord to ask is a nightmare. :( I will most likely craft a weapon + offhand as they are a big damage upgrade early on. But idk how the embellishments will actually work. If I want 2x Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for weapon + off-hand or 1x Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for 1-handed + crafted wrists with Writhing Armor Banding.
Can't wrap my head around the fact that we're arcane blasting that much during a possibly 10+ mob pull, like I understand we're holing our charges but we used to just send and go back up to 4 with arcane explosion
@@MrBlueSleeves Yeah I think anytime you have to cast a single target spell in a AoE scenario it's a sign that something is wrong design wise. I don't really enjoy it either but at the moment chasing Burden of Power procs provides the highest DPS and casting Blast is the best way to achieve that goal. Maybe once some more tuning comes in Spellslinger can pull ahead and be the go-to for AoE as it has a much more traditional multi-target rotation. Sunfury could then keep its niche centered on strong Funnel damage.
@@PhosphorosWoW so we really aren't using orb barrage to send barrages, its main purpose is just to hope we get back to 4 charges if for some reason we dont get our refund from tier set or consuming burden of power. sending orb is strictly used when below 2 charges not really used in aoe at all
@phosphorosWoW Thanks for the awasome guide, as many people already said yours are the most clear and understandable guide on YT for mages. Quick note, maybe can be usefull also for others: in the ST filler you say at point 2 to cast barrage specifically if you are at 1 stack of NP and casting Blast. What do we have to to exactly if we have burden of power at 2 stack of NP and casting Blast? Blast to consume Burden and then at 1 stack of NP queue a Blast Barrage? Thanks a lot
Appreciate the support! Correct, if you have 2 stack of NP then you Blast > Blast + Barrage. If you have no stacks of NP but have a CC then you Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage.
This is mainly due to the High Voltage talent which causes each individual missile to have a chance to grant us an Arcane Charge. Because Aether Attunement in AoE causes so many missiles to shoot out, we're basically guarenteed to generate 4 Arcane Charges. As such, we want to keep Barraging until we don't get an Orb Barrage proc and thus have 0 Arcane Charges so that we use the AA cast to instantly refill us back to 4 charges. Hope that made sense.
hey thanks for the guide, it was really helpful, is there any ways you could share the clearcasting weak aura updated so that it turns blue when aether attunement is on? THANKS!!
I ran into a scenario where, while I had GI up, I kept getting CC procs. The new priority tells me to hold barrage and just AM -> Blast -> Blast -> AM -> Blast -> Blast, etc, while I keep getting CC procs, right? GI buff almost expired I got so many procs and it felt weird.
Once you have GI and 1 stack of NP you should Barrage. So let's say you have Burden of Power and no NP but 2 CCs for example. You would Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage(consuming GI) > Missiles > etc Hope that made sense.
Have one question, cause I struggle a lot in mythic dungeons now, my tank pull like 3-4 mobs and so this trough whole dungeon, and I don’t have big burn and mini burn for a lot of pulls, how do I do dmg without those cds, my spa is so low on this pulls.. Thanks!
In the opener during touch of the magi, without hero, i cannot fit enough arcane blasts to get a Glorious Incandescence if clearcasting procs after each set of blasts. Should i skip a arcane missiles to get off the barrage before touch ends?
Nope, breaking the filler priority list to fit the Glorious Incandescence Barrage inside Touch is not a DPS gain over just following the list as usual and letting all the buffs land where they land naturally. Following the prio will give you the most amount of Nether Precision and Burden of Power consumption which is the most important thing.
Hey! Nice vid, just one question... I don't undertand this part on wowhead: You have no Nether Precision or Clearcasting procs available. (Then Barrage) As GI have a timer to dissapear, would it be better to just wait to get CC and then use it and do blast blast barrage to spend the GI proc (Unless)
At 5:42 you spell qd blast+barrage on burden of power or was it simply because you had ToTM up? Much appreciated, love the vids! So the spell q logic in ST would be: 1 NP + glorious incandescence overlap -> spell q 0 NP + 0 clear cast -> spell q with burden of power Would that be correct?
I spellqueued Blast+Barrage on burden there because I had 1 stack of NP and if you spellqueue Blast+Barrage on Burden you also consume Glorious Incandescence. I would do the same if I had no NP or no CC. If I had no NP but had CC I would Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage. "1 NP + glorious incandescence overlap -> spell q" Correct but you would also spellqueue on Burden of Power with 1 NP as that would consume Glorious Incandescence aswell.
Awesome guide, but in AOE wouldn't it be better to consume Burden of Power with Barrage? Double stacking Burden of Power with NP on a barrage vs. 1 AB with BoP + NP and a spellqueue?
Why don’t we spam barrage more when we have orb stacks? Doesn’t it make sense to prio it over blasting when we can refill the charges with an orb? So as it was before TWW in aoe, I liked the barrage spam lol.
We try to save our charges generators for after we spellqueue Blast+Barrage with 1 stack of Nether Precision (and don't get an Orb Barrage proc). Blasting is used so much in AoE because it gives us progress towards Burden of Power which gives us free Arcane Barrages. I too enjoyed the AoE before TWW. Luckily Spellslinger has an enjoyable and traditional AoE rotation so hopefully Blizzard gives it some buffs to bring it in line soon.
@phosphoros isn't there a mistake in your rotation demonstration? Right at start? You open Evo, missiles, surge and totm...but totm gives you 4 arcane charges. So should it be rather Evo, missiles, surge, barrage. totm...and then normal prio list?
Nope that is the correct opener for Sunfury single target. Since we don't have 4 Arcane Charges we skip the Barrage as it would be weak and we instead let Touch get us to 4 charges and then we go straight into chasing Burden of Power. On every burn after the first you will have 4 Arcane Charges though, so in those you should Surge > Barrage > Touch
In aoe, am I always trying to spell queue arcane blast into barrage with one nether precision proc even if I have multiple things up to recharge my charges? Or is it better to spam barrage?
Yes you always want to spellqueue Blast+Barrage together on 1 stack of NP in AoE. If you have multiple things up to recharge then you use one of them to get back to 4 and proceed with filler until 1 stack of NP for another Barrage spellqueue. The other things you use to recharge stay "banked" for the next time you Barrage. You do not want to spam Barrage unless its the Arcane Soul window or you're trying to dump charges for an Aether Attunement cast. Hope that made sense if not please feel free to ask again and I'll try to clarify.
OK.... I almost get this now! ;) One thing that still confuses me is when to Barrage (queue it after Arcane Blast, what people call doubledip?). I know that we dont do it on 2 stacks of NP, but only on 1 stack. With that said my experience is that is sometimes drain all my Arcane Charges. So - the only source we have for regaining our Arcane Charges when barraging is Glorious Inscandescence, or am I mistaken? Do we still doubledip with 1 stack of NP even if it would drain all four AC, to them manually regain them with orb etc.? Hope to get this clarified so I can finally master the spec. Its confusing - even more after the recent changes.
Hi there! No you only doubledip with 1 stack of NP if you have some way to regain the charges. In ST that would mean Glorious Incandescence/Intuition and in AoE that would mean Glorious Incadecensce/Intuition, Arcane Orb, or a Clearcasting stack. Hope this made sense.
This video is great thank you, going to have to watch it many times. where can I find information on the Arcane Soul window? and how do you know its coming up?
Arcane Soul Window always comes up when the Arcane Surge buff expires. I explain it a bit more in-depth at 6:40 of this guide: th-cam.com/video/n53fChhFLpM/w-d-xo.html
How can I determine the right moment to queue another spell on my cast bar for proper spell queuing? Sometimes, I feel like I'm not transitioning correctly between Arcane Blast and Arcane Missiles
Going from Blast > Missiles should spelllqueue fine but Missiles > Blast will feel weird. Reason being is that channeled spells can't be spellqueued properly. That's one of the reasons we clip Arcane Missiles but of course that won't help during Aether Attunement. Also make sure your spellqueuewindow is set to 400. Type /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") in your chat and if it doesn't print 400 then thats the source of your problems. Type /console spellqueuewindow 400 to set it to 400ms which is the default and widely recommended and that should fix it.
Here are all the trackers I use: Nether Precision Tracker: wago.io/-ApNbKpq1 Clearcasting + Aether Attunement Tracker: wago.io/c8zvYCldS Spellfire Spheres + Burden of Power + GI Tracker: wago.io/zdM6nWaf6 Various other import buff trackers: wago.io/0a9Wf4kMf I tried to keep them condensed when creating them and only displaying what needs to be displayed when it needs to.
I personally spent a decent amount of time practicing rotation and adjusting WA. Cause too much was going for me too. I finished off with: 1) a CC that goes Left / Right / Bigger. + Nether color change. 2) Final 3s of Arcane Surge into Arcane Soul 3) A Green, Orange, Red countdown for Burden into inglorious. Nether precision is the main one others have that I left off. My puny brain can handle knowing I have 2 stacks after a missles.
so seeing as we get glorious incadescence with every consumption of burden of power...should we not just queue every burden of power buffed blast with a barrage?
You usually Barrage when you no longer have enough mana to cast Arcane Blast. Casting that Barrage resets your charges and you will usually follow up with an Arcane Orb if available and by then you should have enough mana to continue casting Blast again.
@@PhosphorosWoW so its mean i can't barrage and blast when i have Burden of Power but i can spellqueing barrage and blast when i have glorious incandecence?
You can still spellqueue Blast and Barrage with Burden of Power but the damage boost will only apply to Arcane Blast, and Glorious Incandescence will be consumed by the Barrage. For example, let's say you have Burden of Power and 1 stack of Nether Precision. If you spellqueue Blast + Barrage then: Arcane Blast is affected by Burden of Power and Nether Precision damage boost. Arcane Barrage is affected by Nether Precision damage boost and Glorious Incandescence summons the meteors and refunds the charges. Hope that makes sense.
hehe yes and no because i though the nerfs was to remove the dmg boost Arcane Barrage gets from Nether Precision when we have 1 stack so if it wasnt the case what did the nerf did cancel? 😅
@@galbarami990 The Nether Precision nerf never went through so Barrage can still be spellqueued with it to double dip. Burden of Power's nerf did go through so Barrage cannot be double dipped on Burden.
Do you wait to barrage with burden of power when you specifically have “ONE” NP because you can double dip NP with blast and barrage? Sorry I wasn’t aware of that is a thing
Thanks for the constant updates. Your guides are golden. I do have a question about single target if you could clarify. 1. If I have burden of power no NP and I am casting AB but I also have a CC do I finish the AB cast -> missiles -> AB + ABarr or do I just queue the AB with ABarr? 2. If I have burden with 1 NP do I just AB + ABarr? Cheers.
1. You would finish the AB cast and then spellqueue when you have 1 stack of NP, so finish AB Cast > Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage 2. Yep! Doing so will double dip Blast+Barrage with NP while also buffing Blast with Burden and instantly consuming GI with Barrage. Appreciate the support!
I dont understand the second condition of the second line of new st priority : "no nether precision and clearcasting", so it means that if we barrage, we have a chance to loose ur arcane charge if the talent "arcane orb" doesnt proc at 40% chance ?
You would keep your Arcane Charges because you only get to that second condition if you first have Glorious Incandescence or Intuition (4pc bonus) as both of those would refill your charges after you Barrage.
maybe i didnt understand something but "arcane barrage if you have 4 arcane charges, glorious incandescence or intuition" actually means 4 charges PLUS glorious incandescence OR intuition ? which make sense because you get your charges back ?
Yes, 4 Arcane Charges plus (Glorious Incandescence OR Intuition) plus one of the 2 conditions below need to be true. So you're only ever considering Barraging when you get a free refund from GI or Intuition.
Heya Phosphoros, question regarding the AOE rotation. How come we are constantly doing arcane blast instead of barrage inside NP? Does the blast dmg outweigh the barrage + orb proc chance even on a big pull?
We Blast alot as Sunfury because it gives us the fastest progress towards Burden of Power which through Glorious Incandescence gives us free Arcane Barrages. Sunfury hates being below 4 Arcane Charges so you really only want to Barrage when you have some way to regain the charges and betting on Orb Barrage with no guarenteed way to get back to 4 will most of the time be a DPS loss.
Hey, at 9:05 during the aoe rotation you have burden of power up, 2 stacks of clear casting, and your orb is coming up. Why do you blast, blast, barrage instead of barrage, then either you get a lucky orb proc or you just missiles to get back to 4 orbs? I am asking this as i am confused as i thought we want to use the burden of power on a barrage in aoe.
Hey there, thanks for the video, very clear! I have just one question: your no2 prio on the ST rotation says : barrage if you have no NP nd no clearcasting; but says nothing about what to do when you DO have clearcasting; do you use missiles into blast barrage or blast blast barrage or something else? Thanks!
Hey man great stuff. Was wondering what intuition is since i cannot find it in the talent tree and I did not play last expansion. What is it called ingame? Another question: Seeing as we are playing around never dropping 4 arcane charges, what situation would need to arise for us to lose our stacks when doing a patchwerk ST rotation like you are doing here? Is it possible at all with any sort of RNG since we are never barraging aside from GI and AS.
@@PhosphorosWoW Hey. Ah I was googling what it was and I got a tier set assuming it was an old one that got made into some talent. I edited my question with another question: Seeing as we are playing around never dropping 4 arcane charges, what situation would need to arise for us to lose our stacks when doing a patchwerk ST rotation like you are doing here? Is it possible at all with any sort of RNG since we are never barraging aside from GI and AS.
@@niklaspapazissis8115 The only time you would lose your stacks when following the rotation is when you are out of mana so the only spell you can cast is Arcane Barrage. Outside of that scenario you should pretty much never drop below 4 Arcane Charges.
Thanks for the video!! Super clear to understand. One question though: Is there any reason now to track the spellfire spheres (like you are with the bar below your character)? I know previously we had to do certain things under 3 charges, or missiles on 5 (as per preheat's original video pre nerf) so it made sense to track it. And on Wowhead there isn't a mention of Burden of Power so is it even worth having that tracked too?
I like having it tracked so I can know when I need to pay attention to my NP/CC stacks around Burden of Power but it's probably also doable to just have a Weakaura that has Burden pop up when you get the buff and then you react to it accordingly.
aether attunement, you dont clip missiles when we have this buff: our next Arcane Missiles deals 100% increased damage to your primary target and fires at up to 4 nearby enemies dealing 50% increased damage.
Hey there, quick question: Is it good if I SpellQueue Blast+Barrage when I have Burden of Power and Nether Precision? When I do that I can tell Nether Precision buff is consumed, Burden of Power buff is consumed and also Glorious Incandescence buff is consumed. I assume that Barrage takes the bonus from Nether Precision and Glorius Incandescence, and Blast takes the bonus from Nether Precision, all at the same time.
Yep when you spellqueue Blast+Barrage with Nether Precision and Burden of Power: Blast will be affected by Burden and Nether Precision. Barrage will be affected by Nether Precision and Glorious Incandescence. All of this happens at the same time.
I thought clipping meant that you cancel the channel of arcane missles early and I'm talking like....within a second of start to channel. But it looks like it's just letting it channel to 75% while spamming arcane blast. Is this correct?
Slightly correct. The GCD is shorter than Arcane Missile's channel time, so clipping means to cancel with a different spell as soon as the GCD is over (in this case Arcane Blast). If you have high amounts of haste, let's say PI + Bloodlust + a bunch of Mana Cascade stacks, you can actually get the cast time of Missiles to be shorter than the GCD in which case it would be impossible to clip. Hope that made sense.
can't really read out your WA, but either ST or AoE since we can't double dip the burden of power anymore, do you consume it with AB and barrage after?
This pack has a tracker for Arcane Soul that is important to be aware of: wago.io/0a9Wf4kMf This one tracks Spellfire Spheres/Burden of Power/Glorious Incandescence: wago.io/zdM6nWaf6 That's pretty much it for Sunfury-only Weakauras.
could u make a vide maybe explaining your newest weakauras and also different burn windows (arcane soul and how glorious incan shows on WA) and how they show in the WA? i am very new to arcane. Also when do i clip missiles and when do i not?
Hey! thank you for the video, I have one quick question. I noticed that on some of the burden in to incandescence refunds for barrage you also touch, do we not worry about the munched 4 charges? Like blast to consume -> barrage/refund -> barrage -> touch
Nope you don't worry about the munched charges for Surge/mini burn because that's where most of our damage comes from so delaying CDs to not munch will be an overall DPS loss.
@@PhosphorosWoW Hey one more question! Sorry. I see that in a prio list for AoE we send arcane barrage when certain things are true. Intuition from our tier set being one of them, its only a 5% chance though. Is that per hit of barrage? Or are we risking having no charges?
GUIDE is really well done ...I'm still abit confused but that's more my problem, i think i need some tracking WA to help me out, just started mage maining this expansion
Great video man. Just one thing i need cleared up, before i would try to use my missiles and get NP at 5 spheres so that blast>blast+barrage would land right on the BoP amp, but from what you did you're playing more around NP and just sending solo blast on BoP if its not your last NP stack right? and in this case would you want to just try to have maximum NP uptime and just follow the prio system based on what you get or do some holding in case you get unlucky and avoid not having it for BoP?
Correct you just want to focus on getting as many NP stacks as possible while also chasing as many BoPs as possible and both of those goals are achieved by just following the prio system. In doing so you pretty much just let all the buffs land where they land naturally and you don't hold or try to force anything. Hope that makes sense.
Here is a link to the timestamp for the Sunfury guide that explains the Arcane Soul Window more in depth: th-cam.com/video/n53fChhFLpM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yHpHrfvmD-0rW-4H&t=405
09/07/2024 - There has been a new optimization for the single target and AoE rotations. Here is a new video describing those changes: th-cam.com/video/DBo__kRVSOk/w-d-xo.html
Not sure to understand point number 2, so how many stacks do i have at that point ?
nvm just got it
You have a talent for this man, all those other 1 hour videos are so much more complicated to understand than yours
Thank you for the kind words it means alot!
It’s true phosphoroswow
@@PhosphorosWoW :D
I very much agree!
I think the Combination of theoretical Overview followed by a practical Demonstration makes it easy to understand.
Plus 1 man, well done and Thank you!
After watching the videos of preheat, your video finally taught me what to do and why we do things. Thank you so much, keep it up.
Phosphoros is way better on that he doing I finally can understand how arcane it’s work
Don't get me wrong, I love Preheat, but he makes Arcane sound so much more complex than it really is haha. That's why I love your videos man! As a new player, your videos taught me the most about arcane
It’s because folks like Preheat and the Wowhead guide writers are great at the game but they’re terrible communicators and teachers. Being unable to succinctly explain how to play the class correctly and then getting frustrated that people are confused is ridiculous.
Preheat is just a meme, he is clueless.
I like that you keep doing the rotation till it you memorise the rotation, that was really helpfully.
Yoooo thanks for the drop. I have been at work all day and anxiously waiting for someone to cover and go over the new changes in detail. Way to come in clutch for the purple homies
Great guide ! Thank you especially for the precedent guide, as well as this one ! I think what make your videos better than others is that you're sticking to the rotation , no filler, no rant just data and demonstration. You have my like and subscribe :)
Thank you for posting this, really enjoyed the condensed material and it was easy to follow through! Appreciate your work to bring back the arcane dream :)
love the vid man, i have been banging my head on the ST rotation and your video made it a lot simpler
Great guide, to echo some of the below comments this guide made it much simpler to understand and i finally learned some things i was doing wrong, many thanks for this guide !
Good video, concise and to the point and great walkthrough of the rotations. By far the best arcane guide producer out of all available!
Thank you for this fast answer to the patch. Really appriciate it!
The most simplified guide i've ever seen. Thanks for that!
Haven’t even finished the finished the video, but holy that ST rotation was actually GODLY for teaching - what a beast.
Just noticed you have linked all weakauras in description. Thats amazing thank you.
Kinda new to mage, played some in previous expansion but never arcane. Curious to learn as it seems fun and strong, but man is it still confusing. Was trying to find some weakauras to track important procs so yours are godsend.
Super confusing, like not finishing arcane missile procs etc. Help ;(
@@MarsziParszi arcane missile's main use isn't its damage but rather its utility. It generates Nether Precision charges, which buff Blast and Barrage. It generates the 2 charges when clearcasting is consumed (so on cast of Missiles) so you clip the missiles after 3 channel ticks once your GCD is back to maximize damage with the nether precision.
You don't clip when Aether Attunement is up because that supercharges your missiles and makes them AoE, so when thats the case we do want the full damage.
@@AmateurHero101 Thank you so much!! That's so perfectly explained. I really appreciate this, super helpful! Wowhead should have this comment.
@@MarsziParszi No problem! I actually had a slight error in my original comment that I edited to fix. The Nether Precision charges are actually generated when you consume clearcasting and not on channel. You actually let 3 channel since you need GCD to come back up to cast anything else.
That doesn't effect anything I said though, the basic idea is still the same of maximizing Nether Precision.
Thanks, amazing like always. Just someone that not just plays the spec, UNDERSTAND the spec. Everyone should watch your videos.
I came back to wow after 4years wanting to main arcane mage but i was about to give up due to difficulty playing it, but thanks to your videos i have encouraged myself to learn because you made it look way too easy, congratulations mans your content is insanely good, new sub!😄
what I like in your videos, it's direct to the point, clear and effective
Thx Phosphoros !!
Great guide, really appreciated it that you explained the priority list, ty
You are the GOAT. Thanks for sharing us such a masterclass of knowledge 👍
Really lost in the aoe rotation, now is a lot more clear, Thank you again for this massive guide, best arcane Mage ever
Thank you for the kind words
Amazing explanation. The updated rotation is kinda weird to read but after watching this, I get it now.
I've been trying to figure this spec out all week, spending hours in the mage dc and reading guides. your explanation made things "click", thank you for the breakdown it's very helpful
back with another banger guide , personally i watch your videos since df and they are very easy to understand come on boys just sub to the man he deserves it and its free , cant have only 8k subs
They just dropped some new changes chop chop new video ma boi
Muchas gracias se agradece mucho tu guía, los ejemplos de rotaciones son muy intuitivo y muy práctico incluso para personas que no sepan inglés.
Making Arcane knowledge not so arcane :) Love your videos man.
Thank you for the video and getting it uploaded so quickly! Pretty new to Arcane and I've been wondering what the new rotation would look like.
Something that would be really useful in these videos is to slow down the example rotation that you put out, and break down the priority in practice with some of the decision making. Seeing the rotation in real time is useful, but it doesn't illustrate the decision making or the logic of the priority list.
Yeah the demo phase is way too quick for me too.
@@3cheeseup You can just slow down the speed with youtube player x0.75 or x0.5 :)
great video as usual. Glad that the "nerf" didn't impact the rotation too much, although it was definitely more fun before especially trying to line up burden of power with the second nether precision to double dip on both at the same time. I can't wait for blizzard to hit us with a flat damage nerf after all this anyways since the nerf was not nearly enough to bring sunfury in line with the other specs.
hey, thanks for the video but i was just wondering at 10:21 you Barrage, Orb, Missles when trying to get charges. I thought that missles with CC have a higher prio than orb.
Hey there. Any chance you'll post a video regarding what we should craft? Going into season 1 we will have 2x sparks available. I am curious as what embellishments to use as the hub website says one while wowhead says another. Idk which to believe and going into the discord to ask is a nightmare. :( I will most likely craft a weapon + offhand as they are a big damage upgrade early on. But idk how the embellishments will actually work. If I want 2x Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for weapon + off-hand or 1x Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for 1-handed + crafted wrists with Writhing Armor Banding.
you are the man! thank you so much for the guides
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As per usual, best tutorials. Unlike certain others that over complicate stuff
Can't wrap my head around the fact that we're arcane blasting that much during a possibly 10+ mob pull, like I understand we're holing our charges but we used to just send and go back up to 4 with arcane explosion
@@MrBlueSleeves Yeah I think anytime you have to cast a single target spell in a AoE scenario it's a sign that something is wrong design wise. I don't really enjoy it either but at the moment chasing Burden of Power procs provides the highest DPS and casting Blast is the best way to achieve that goal.
Maybe once some more tuning comes in Spellslinger can pull ahead and be the go-to for AoE as it has a much more traditional multi-target rotation. Sunfury could then keep its niche centered on strong Funnel damage.
@@PhosphorosWoW so we really aren't using orb barrage to send barrages, its main purpose is just to hope we get back to 4 charges if for some reason we dont get our refund from tier set or consuming burden of power. sending orb is strictly used when below 2 charges not really used in aoe at all
you dont want to press arcane explosion cuz it doesnt generate spellfire spheres
@@MrBlueSleeves I agree, spellslinger rotation is more fun and makes more sense for aoe, but SF is just stronger.
You're a god dude, Thank you so much for this video
Thanks for easy going vids/ guides 💯💯
Your guides are the best!
Why we would clip arcane missiles if we are trying to get back to 4 charges? Thx for thr vídeo ❤
With touch up, why are you not double dipping NP with blast blast barrage back into missles blast blast barrage?
As a spell slinger i get out dpsed once that pheonix is out. But my constant damage is much higher
Awesome content as always.
@phosphorosWoW Thanks for the awasome guide, as many people already said yours are the most clear and understandable guide on YT for mages. Quick note, maybe can be usefull also for others: in the ST filler you say at point 2 to cast barrage specifically if you are at 1 stack of NP and casting Blast. What do we have to to exactly if we have burden of power at 2 stack of NP and casting Blast? Blast to consume Burden and then at 1 stack of NP queue a Blast Barrage? Thanks a lot
Appreciate the support! Correct, if you have 2 stack of NP then you Blast > Blast + Barrage. If you have no stacks of NP but have a CC then you Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage.
Subbed. So clean and easy. TY
Why dont we use barrage with burden buff in aoe since we get back to 4 charges regardless?
why are we spamming barrage with Aether attunement in aoe? @ 10:40
This is mainly due to the High Voltage talent which causes each individual missile to have a chance to grant us an Arcane Charge. Because Aether Attunement in AoE causes so many missiles to shoot out, we're basically guarenteed to generate 4 Arcane Charges. As such, we want to keep Barraging until we don't get an Orb Barrage proc and thus have 0 Arcane Charges so that we use the AA cast to instantly refill us back to 4 charges. Hope that made sense.
So we're basically just spamming to get orbs out in AoE? The orb damage trumps regular rotation?@@PhosphorosWoW
I was waiting for you❤❤
hey thanks for the guide, it was really helpful, is there any ways you could share the clearcasting weak aura updated so that it turns blue when aether attunement is on? THANKS!!
Heres the link: wago.io/c8zvYCldS
Thank you for this!!!!
2:44 If I have two charges of nether precision and also glory or intuition, what do I do? Does arcane blast continue to be cast?
Cast 1 blast and then spellqueue Blast+Barrage
I ran into a scenario where, while I had GI up, I kept getting CC procs. The new priority tells me to hold barrage and just AM -> Blast -> Blast -> AM -> Blast -> Blast, etc, while I keep getting CC procs, right? GI buff almost expired I got so many procs and it felt weird.
Once you have GI and 1 stack of NP you should Barrage. So let's say you have Burden of Power and no NP but 2 CCs for example.
You would Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage(consuming GI) > Missiles > etc
Hope that made sense.
@@PhosphorosWoW yep that does. Appreciate all the great guides you make and how you make it a priority to engage with your viewers ❤️
i been waiting for this video.
why not use arcane explosion insted of blast?
Way better than preheats vid!
Have one question, cause I struggle a lot in mythic dungeons now, my tank pull like 3-4 mobs and so this trough whole dungeon, and I don’t have big burn and mini burn for a lot of pulls, how do I do dmg without those cds, my spa is so low on this pulls..
Thanks!
yessss been waiting for this
Wake up babe, Phosphorus just dropped a new arcane mage video!
My goat teaching this noob how to play the game. Much appreciated brother
what about new changes on talent?
In the opener during touch of the magi, without hero, i cannot fit enough arcane blasts to get a Glorious Incandescence if clearcasting procs after each set of blasts. Should i skip a arcane missiles to get off the barrage before touch ends?
Nope, breaking the filler priority list to fit the Glorious Incandescence Barrage inside Touch is not a DPS gain over just following the list as usual and letting all the buffs land where they land naturally.
Following the prio will give you the most amount of Nether Precision and Burden of Power consumption which is the most important thing.
@PhosphorosWoW thanks for the response. I've been blasting dummy's since the patch to see how much changed
Hey! Nice vid, just one question... I don't undertand this part on wowhead: You have no Nether Precision or Clearcasting procs available. (Then Barrage) As GI have a timer to dissapear, would it be better to just wait to get CC
and then use it and do blast blast barrage to spend the GI proc (Unless)
At 5:42 you spell qd blast+barrage on burden of power or was it simply because you had ToTM up?
Much appreciated, love the vids!
So the spell q logic in ST would be:
1 NP + glorious incandescence overlap -> spell q
0 NP + 0 clear cast -> spell q with burden of power
Would that be correct?
I spellqueued Blast+Barrage on burden there because I had 1 stack of NP and if you spellqueue Blast+Barrage on Burden you also consume Glorious Incandescence. I would do the same if I had no NP or no CC. If I had no NP but had CC I would Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage.
"1 NP + glorious incandescence overlap -> spell q"
Correct but you would also spellqueue on Burden of Power with 1 NP as that would consume Glorious Incandescence aswell.
Awesome guide, but in AOE wouldn't it be better to consume Burden of Power with Barrage? Double stacking Burden of Power with NP on a barrage vs. 1 AB with BoP + NP and a spellqueue?
Why don’t we spam barrage more when we have orb stacks? Doesn’t it make sense to prio it over blasting when we can refill the charges with an orb? So as it was before TWW in aoe, I liked the barrage spam lol.
We try to save our charges generators for after we spellqueue Blast+Barrage with 1 stack of Nether Precision (and don't get an Orb Barrage proc). Blasting is used so much in AoE because it gives us progress towards Burden of Power which gives us free Arcane Barrages.
I too enjoyed the AoE before TWW. Luckily Spellslinger has an enjoyable and traditional AoE rotation so hopefully Blizzard gives it some buffs to bring it in line soon.
awesome video! :)
@phosphoros isn't there a mistake in your rotation demonstration? Right at start? You open Evo, missiles, surge and totm...but totm gives you 4 arcane charges. So should it be rather Evo, missiles, surge, barrage. totm...and then normal prio list?
Nope that is the correct opener for Sunfury single target. Since we don't have 4 Arcane Charges we skip the Barrage as it would be weak and we instead let Touch get us to 4 charges and then we go straight into chasing Burden of Power.
On every burn after the first you will have 4 Arcane Charges though, so in those you should Surge > Barrage > Touch
@@PhosphorosWoW Ahhh I see, thanks for the explanation! Also cheers for all your work, I really appreciate your content!
what stats do i need for this spec´?
In aoe, am I always trying to spell queue arcane blast into barrage with one nether precision proc even if I have multiple things up to recharge my charges? Or is it better to spam barrage?
Yes you always want to spellqueue Blast+Barrage together on 1 stack of NP in AoE. If you have multiple things up to recharge then you use one of them to get back to 4 and proceed with filler until 1 stack of NP for another Barrage spellqueue.
The other things you use to recharge stay "banked" for the next time you Barrage. You do not want to spam Barrage unless its the Arcane Soul window or you're trying to dump charges for an Aether Attunement cast.
Hope that made sense if not please feel free to ask again and I'll try to clarify.
OK.... I almost get this now! ;)
One thing that still confuses me is when to Barrage (queue it after Arcane Blast, what people call doubledip?).
I know that we dont do it on 2 stacks of NP, but only on 1 stack. With that said my experience is that is sometimes drain all my Arcane Charges.
So - the only source we have for regaining our Arcane Charges when barraging is Glorious Inscandescence, or am I mistaken?
Do we still doubledip with 1 stack of NP even if it would drain all four AC, to them manually regain them with orb etc.?
Hope to get this clarified so I can finally master the spec. Its confusing - even more after the recent changes.
Hi there! No you only doubledip with 1 stack of NP if you have some way to regain the charges. In ST that would mean Glorious Incandescence/Intuition and in AoE that would mean Glorious Incadecensce/Intuition, Arcane Orb, or a Clearcasting stack. Hope this made sense.
@@PhosphorosWoW thank you! 🙏
This video is great thank you, going to have to watch it many times. where can I find information on the Arcane Soul window? and how do you know its coming up?
Arcane Soul Window always comes up when the Arcane Surge buff expires. I explain it a bit more in-depth at 6:40 of this guide: th-cam.com/video/n53fChhFLpM/w-d-xo.html
How can I determine the right moment to queue another spell on my cast bar for proper spell queuing? Sometimes, I feel like I'm not transitioning correctly between Arcane Blast and Arcane Missiles
Going from Blast > Missiles should spelllqueue fine but Missiles > Blast will feel weird. Reason being is that channeled spells can't be spellqueued properly. That's one of the reasons we clip Arcane Missiles but of course that won't help during Aether Attunement.
Also make sure your spellqueuewindow is set to 400. Type /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") in your chat and if it doesn't print 400 then thats the source of your problems. Type /console spellqueuewindow 400 to set it to 400ms which is the default and widely recommended and that should fix it.
If I have BOP us with 2 stacks of NP, do I blast > barrage > blast, or blast > blast > barrage?
Blast blast barrage, because you can't double dip unless you blast barrage the last stack
Does anyone know WA for that cast bar?
My cast bar is an addon called Quartz.
So I should never try to keep Arcane Tempo up? I never really ran out of mana because I just barraged to keep that buff up.
any tips for keeping track of all these buffs? My WA's are slowly looking like a las vegas casino playing arcane mage...
Here are all the trackers I use:
Nether Precision Tracker: wago.io/-ApNbKpq1
Clearcasting + Aether Attunement Tracker: wago.io/c8zvYCldS
Spellfire Spheres + Burden of Power + GI Tracker: wago.io/zdM6nWaf6
Various other import buff trackers: wago.io/0a9Wf4kMf
I tried to keep them condensed when creating them and only displaying what needs to be displayed when it needs to.
I personally spent a decent amount of time practicing rotation and adjusting WA. Cause too much was going for me too.
I finished off with:
1) a CC that goes Left / Right / Bigger. + Nether color change.
2) Final 3s of Arcane Surge into Arcane Soul
3) A Green, Orange, Red countdown for Burden into inglorious.
Nether precision is the main one others have that I left off. My puny brain can handle knowing I have 2 stacks after a missles.
so seeing as we get glorious incadescence with every consumption of burden of power...should we not just queue every burden of power buffed blast with a barrage?
When you say barrage if you oom you mean spam barrage until you get mana to blast or until something else??
You usually Barrage when you no longer have enough mana to cast Arcane Blast. Casting that Barrage resets your charges and you will usually follow up with an Arcane Orb if available and by then you should have enough mana to continue casting Blast again.
but didn't the nerf canceled the spell queing with barrage and arcane blast when you have 1 nether precision stack?
The latest nerf removed spellqueing with Barrage and Blast on Burden of Power. The previous one last month for Nether Precision was reverted.
@@PhosphorosWoW so its mean i can't barrage and blast when i have Burden of Power but i can spellqueing barrage and blast when i have glorious incandecence?
You can still spellqueue Blast and Barrage with Burden of Power but the damage boost will only apply to Arcane Blast, and Glorious Incandescence will be consumed by the Barrage.
For example, let's say you have Burden of Power and 1 stack of Nether Precision. If you spellqueue Blast + Barrage then:
Arcane Blast is affected by Burden of Power and Nether Precision damage boost.
Arcane Barrage is affected by Nether Precision damage boost and Glorious Incandescence summons the meteors and refunds the charges.
Hope that makes sense.
hehe yes and no because i though the nerfs was to remove the dmg boost Arcane Barrage gets from Nether Precision when we have 1 stack
so if it wasnt the case what did the nerf did cancel? 😅
@@galbarami990 The Nether Precision nerf never went through so Barrage can still be spellqueued with it to double dip. Burden of Power's nerf did go through so Barrage cannot be double dipped on Burden.
How do you get blast with the pheonix blast so many times in a row?
Do you wait to barrage with burden of power when you specifically have “ONE” NP because you can double dip NP with blast and barrage? Sorry I wasn’t aware of that is a thing
You explained things so well, the only thing is im bad with names so wish you would have explained what burden of power is
Thanks for the constant updates. Your guides are golden. I do have a question about single target if you could clarify.
1. If I have burden of power no NP and I am casting AB but I also have a CC do I finish the AB cast -> missiles -> AB + ABarr or do I just queue the AB with ABarr?
2. If I have burden with 1 NP do I just AB + ABarr?
Cheers.
1. You would finish the AB cast and then spellqueue when you have 1 stack of NP, so finish AB Cast > Missiles > Blast > Blast + Barrage
2. Yep! Doing so will double dip Blast+Barrage with NP while also buffing Blast with Burden and instantly consuming GI with Barrage.
Appreciate the support!
I dont understand the second condition of the second line of new st priority : "no nether precision and clearcasting", so it means that if we barrage, we have a chance to loose ur arcane charge if the talent "arcane orb" doesnt proc at 40% chance ?
You would keep your Arcane Charges because you only get to that second condition if you first have Glorious Incandescence or Intuition (4pc bonus) as both of those would refill your charges after you Barrage.
maybe i didnt understand something but "arcane barrage if you have 4 arcane charges, glorious incandescence or intuition" actually means 4 charges PLUS glorious incandescence OR intuition ? which make sense because you get your charges back ?
Yes, 4 Arcane Charges plus (Glorious Incandescence OR Intuition) plus one of the 2 conditions below need to be true. So you're only ever considering Barraging when you get a free refund from GI or Intuition.
Heya Phosphoros, question regarding the AOE rotation. How come we are constantly doing arcane blast instead of barrage inside NP? Does the blast dmg outweigh the barrage + orb proc chance even on a big pull?
We Blast alot as Sunfury because it gives us the fastest progress towards Burden of Power which through Glorious Incandescence gives us free Arcane Barrages. Sunfury hates being below 4 Arcane Charges so you really only want to Barrage when you have some way to regain the charges and betting on Orb Barrage with no guarenteed way to get back to 4 will most of the time be a DPS loss.
Now I'm ready to top my friends raid tonight, thanks
Miss you Crid!
@@PhosphorosWoW miss playing with you too, looks like you are doing great!
Hey, at 9:05 during the aoe rotation you have burden of power up, 2 stacks of clear casting, and your orb is coming up. Why do you blast, blast, barrage instead of barrage, then either you get a lucky orb proc or you just missiles to get back to 4 orbs? I am asking this as i am confused as i thought we want to use the burden of power on a barrage in aoe.
Hey there, thanks for the video, very clear! I have just one question: your no2 prio on the ST rotation says : barrage if you have no NP nd no clearcasting; but says nothing about what to do when you DO have clearcasting; do you use missiles into blast barrage or blast blast barrage or something else? Thanks!
In that scenario you would Missiles > Blast > spellqueue Blast + Barrage
Hey man great stuff. Was wondering what intuition is since i cannot find it in the talent tree and I did not play last expansion. What is it called ingame?
Another question: Seeing as we are playing around never dropping 4 arcane charges, what situation would need to arise for us to lose our stacks when doing a patchwerk ST rotation like you are doing here? Is it possible at all with any sort of RNG since we are never barraging aside from GI and AS.
Thanks for the support! Intuition is the 4 piece tier set bonus from the raid which will open next week. So as of right now it's unobtainable.
@@PhosphorosWoW Hey. Ah I was googling what it was and I got a tier set assuming it was an old one that got made into some talent.
I edited my question with another question: Seeing as we are playing around never dropping 4 arcane charges, what situation would need to arise for us to lose our stacks when doing a patchwerk ST rotation like you are doing here? Is it possible at all with any sort of RNG since we are never barraging aside from GI and AS.
@@niklaspapazissis8115 The only time you would lose your stacks when following the rotation is when you are out of mana so the only spell you can cast is Arcane Barrage. Outside of that scenario you should pretty much never drop below 4 Arcane Charges.
Thanks for the video!! Super clear to understand. One question though: Is there any reason now to track the spellfire spheres (like you are with the bar below your character)? I know previously we had to do certain things under 3 charges, or missiles on 5 (as per preheat's original video pre nerf) so it made sense to track it. And on Wowhead there isn't a mention of Burden of Power so is it even worth having that tracked too?
I like having it tracked so I can know when I need to pay attention to my NP/CC stacks around Burden of Power but it's probably also doable to just have a Weakaura that has Burden pop up when you get the buff and then you react to it accordingly.
@@PhosphorosWoW True!! Yours looks super clean so I've now been using it, finally getting my head around it all haha! Thanks man :)
I still don't get what are you tracking that's telling you if you should clip missiles or not.
aether attunement, you dont clip missiles when we have this buff: our next Arcane Missiles deals 100% increased damage to your primary target and fires at up to 4 nearby enemies dealing 50% increased damage.
Hey there, quick question:
Is it good if I SpellQueue Blast+Barrage when I have Burden of Power and Nether Precision?
When I do that I can tell Nether Precision buff is consumed, Burden of Power buff is consumed and also Glorious Incandescence buff is consumed.
I assume that Barrage takes the bonus from Nether Precision and Glorius Incandescence, and Blast takes the bonus from Nether Precision, all at the same time.
Yep when you spellqueue Blast+Barrage with Nether Precision and Burden of Power:
Blast will be affected by Burden and Nether Precision.
Barrage will be affected by Nether Precision and Glorious Incandescence.
All of this happens at the same time.
@@PhosphorosWoW THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I thought clipping meant that you cancel the channel of arcane missles early and I'm talking like....within a second of start to channel. But it looks like it's just letting it channel to 75% while spamming arcane blast. Is this correct?
Slightly correct. The GCD is shorter than Arcane Missile's channel time, so clipping means to cancel with a different spell as soon as the GCD is over (in this case Arcane Blast). If you have high amounts of haste, let's say PI + Bloodlust + a bunch of Mana Cascade stacks, you can actually get the cast time of Missiles to be shorter than the GCD in which case it would be impossible to clip. Hope that made sense.
When do we not clip arcane missiles? Wowhead guide doesn't mention, pls help!
can't really read out your WA, but either ST or AoE since we can't double dip the burden of power anymore, do you consume it with AB and barrage after?
Can you tell which WAs i really need to play this spec, i mean not the basic ones for arcane, but playing around hero talents etc.
This pack has a tracker for Arcane Soul that is important to be aware of: wago.io/0a9Wf4kMf
This one tracks Spellfire Spheres/Burden of Power/Glorious Incandescence: wago.io/zdM6nWaf6
That's pretty much it for Sunfury-only Weakauras.
Can u please share the upper left WA-Group that shows arcane soul, TotM Timers..... - also thank you, the Video helps a lot !!!
Thank you for the support! Here's the link: wago.io/0a9Wf4kMf
could u make a vide maybe explaining your newest weakauras and also different burn windows (arcane soul and how glorious incan shows on WA) and how they show in the WA? i am very new to arcane. Also when do i clip missiles and when do i not?
Hey! thank you for the video, I have one quick question. I noticed that on some of the burden in to incandescence refunds for barrage you also touch, do we not worry about the munched 4 charges? Like blast to consume -> barrage/refund -> barrage -> touch
Nope you don't worry about the munched charges for Surge/mini burn because that's where most of our damage comes from so delaying CDs to not munch will be an overall DPS loss.
@@PhosphorosWoW Awesome thank you!
@@PhosphorosWoW Hey one more question! Sorry. I see that in a prio list for AoE we send arcane barrage when certain things are true. Intuition from our tier set being one of them, its only a 5% chance though. Is that per hit of barrage? Or are we risking having no charges?
@@kimblee_na5908 It's a 5% chance to gain the buff and then when you gain the buff its a 100% chance to refund charges so no risk
GUIDE is really well done ...I'm still abit confused but that's more my problem, i think i need some tracking WA to help me out, just started mage maining this expansion
Great video man. Just one thing i need cleared up, before i would try to use my missiles and get NP at 5 spheres so that blast>blast+barrage would land right on the BoP amp, but from what you did you're playing more around NP and just sending solo blast on BoP if its not your last NP stack right? and in this case would you want to just try to have maximum NP uptime and just follow the prio system based on what you get or do some holding in case you get unlucky and avoid not having it for BoP?
Correct you just want to focus on getting as many NP stacks as possible while also chasing as many BoPs as possible and both of those goals are achieved by just following the prio system. In doing so you pretty much just let all the buffs land where they land naturally and you don't hold or try to force anything. Hope that makes sense.
@@PhosphorosWoW Yeah 100%, ty!
Hi can you help. When is the arcane Soul Phase
Here is a link to the timestamp for the Sunfury guide that explains the Arcane Soul Window more in depth: th-cam.com/video/n53fChhFLpM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yHpHrfvmD-0rW-4H&t=405