@@shizukagozen777 difference is: Darth Maul was a strong sith apprentice of PALPATINE. Fueled by hatred AND THERE WERE CONSENQUENCES. Its not like he just ducktaped his legs back and walked off. There was an entire story around him, showing the madness he's fallen into. The pain. Dont try to compare todays horse shit to that
Disney really succeeded in making one of the most iconic and lethal weapons into a joke. Get stabbed -twice- by Darth Vader, the most notoriously feared mass murderer in the galaxy? Barely in inconvenience.
Don't forget maul getting cut in half and survived off pure hate and the force but this was unexpected and served a purpose for the clone wars series. Unlike just keeping them alive for no reason and no matter what.
@@icespikegaming6786 By itself I found Maul surviving to be a bit ridiculous, but they DID have him start out nuts and require some serious outside effort to bring him back to being a threat. He’s also a villain, so this actually raised the danger to the heroes.
Wow, getting stabbed twice by Darth Vader of all people, must be pretty difficult to recover from that. Actually it's super easy barely an inconvenience.
That fight breakdown between Vi and Seveka is just so good. It made me appreciate that fight so much more than I already did. That show really is full of art, I appreciate the people smarter and more attuned to details who keep finding it for me. I require the same people to really mine how truly terrible Star Wars as become as well. I get both in this video. Excellent work.
If you want a really good breakdown of that fight check out Scenic Fights. It's a channel couple MMA guys that breakdown various fights across live action and animated. They go pretty deep into the whole thing. It's really good
Since Vi did plan and lead the robbery which resulted in the destruction of a building, I wouldn't say she was "wrongfully" locked away. She really was the culprit Piltover was looking for, even if Marcus did not charge her for it to hide her (continuing) existence to Silco. (only officially though. I'm sure his solving this case for the council was among the reasons he became sheriff). Anyway, this has nothing to do with the point of this video (which I'm sure will be great, so... moving on to watching the rest.
@@taloutezerowas it even right to stifle one's ambition and growth with fear, doubt, deceit, and self-interest? Jayce had every right to experiment with Hextech.
@@UnknownOps I asked if it was legal. I never asked if it was right. In that case then, is it right for Zaun to be treated as second class citizens to Piltover? Is it right that the only way for them to make a decent living under the boot of Piltover is to have a "crime behind every coin"? Robin Hood is considered a noble figure. And Vi was stealing stuff to sell to Vanders brother in that shop. Him acquiring that stuff would allow for more commerce in his shop.
@@taloutezero Did you really just compare Robin Hood to lil' kid thieves? Sure, the kids were stealing cuz they don't have much opportunity to make money any other way, but c'mon. Nothing about what they did was "noble". Robin Hood was stealing from a corrupt and traitorous government, then giving that money back to those that still favored the true King, the Church, and the poor. Vi and her gang had absolutely no intentions of helping any one but themselves. Sure, they're the protag, but that doesn't mean what they did was right.
you mean editing? yeah it's really good but script has a lot to be desired. i like the aggressive and blunt reactions to bs these shows present but he doesn't need to be so vulgar
@@PolishGoblinn agreed, I’d also say that, he had sensible arguments, but there was also a lot of fluff in there, for example. I didn’t think that it was a cardinal sin for Ahsoka to use the force in zero G in order to maneuver, or for lightsabers to give surface level cuts. I feel that these are just minor things that he picked on, although, with some of his other points I agree with.
I loved listening to your commentary on the Vi vs Sevika fight, because not only was it a great analysis on why it's so good, but I can already tell what the Sabine fight isn't going to do from the points you emphasize 😅
The Lucas non-lethal special was severing limbs. While it had its thematic line in the original trilogy to show Luke becoming Vader, elsewhere the existence of perfect prosthesis made it just as inconsequential. That's why Qui Gon had to die: To bring back stakes. Ever since Disney took over, severed limbs are deemed too gory, so they had to go with gut shots instead. And since it's Disney, nobody dies because they can't lose the potential sales later on.
Vi was good as she made everything worse for her self as he made rash decision after rash decision. its actually very refreshing to see a character fail if their plan is super dumb as it gives stakes to the conflict.
I remember my appendix going bad. After the surgery, which was well done with orthoscopics, there was NO WAY I was sitting up in bed, without heavy medication and a scaffold behind my back. F-off, Filoni.
Darth maul can survive getting cut in half but it took years for him to recover. But jedi and qui gon can die to a single blaster bolt or lightsaber stab and they just die. While non force users or normal ppl can survive a lighsaber stab or shot to the gut. Bruh.
@@Carrity Bruh it's a lightsaber. A superheated plasma weapon that can burn through metal doors. I don't think the duration of how long it stays in a flesh body matters. lol
I just think being a mandalorian turned Imperial turned bounty hunter turned rebel turned jedi is a bit too much. I actually like that she sold Ahsoka out. Gave her flaws.
In my opinion expecting the audience to watch other shows to know who the characters are here is a problem (not the only one, but it is a big one). I don't regularly watch Disney Star Wars so I don't know who 99.9% of the characters are, and the creators just expect us to keep up with whatever BS they put on the screen. Luke, Han, Leia and a group of underdogs travelled the galaxy to fight the Empire in the original trilogy. These planks of wood just stare at each other or engage in crap lightsaber fights.
Fan service, the same thing happened with Obi-Wan in 2022. You're going to have to wait a few months for people to look at the series more objectively...
Filoni is hailed as a messiah of SW but, Clone Wars was only directed by him. Then Rebels, a worse show, had him given more control. Then, a live action show, where he is running the show is putting him at his worst. Animation also gives creators a bit of a guise to hide behind. Now, there is no guise. The acting does not help. I don't get why Rosario Dawson is portraying Ahsoka as an emotionally devoid monk and Sabine's actor is just dead in the eyes it seems. But the writing does not lend itself to helping the actors at all. The characters aren't anything like they were in Rebels, makes me wonder if Filoni even remembers the characters from his show. I think Disney must've told the production "this show needs to be watchable to everyone no matter how much star wars they've seen" - hence the characters are all written out of dirt
+ arcane should end the assumption that scify fans are racists or sexist as it is actually inclusive, both to alphabets and ethnics and universally loved, just because it is sooo good that u can watch it 3 times in a row after you stumbled onto it
It's such a shame how thoroughly they butchered these characters. Sabine and Ahsoka used to be two of the most well-written characters in all of Star Wars and great examples of compelling, strong female characters. Now they're a shadow of their former selves. It's honestly a bad joke at this point.
Sabine was never will written. If she was in the episode of rebels than everything was fine because "bombs". Not a may Mary Sue, because she was trained, but an instant suspense killer
@@rossburney8713 I think you missed a few episodes. There’s quite a few episodes where Sabine doesn’t have a solution when it would have been really helpful for her to have one.
Remeber when Sebene was training with the Dark Saber and the old mandalorian told her to stop fighting like a jedi and start fighting like a mandalorian? Then she used her tools and weapons to defeat Ezra. And now we see her weild a light saber, get impaled, and then want to train like a jedi even though she was never force sensitive??? Okay Disney
The worst part is that Sabine had the most heart wrenching fight/training scene in Rebels. They had the PERFECT foundation for a super interesting character that they just... chose to ignore
The people who say you need to watch Rebels and Clone Wars to understand Ahsoka are just lying to you. I've watched every episode of Clone Wars and Rebels and I can tell you that these are not the same characters that were depicted in those shows. I don't know who these dopplegangers are, but I can tell you that watching the cartoons does not make this show any better, in fact it makes it worse.
Arcane is a damn masterpiece, written by someone that is a true writer and full of respect for his audience, giving a multi layered compelling narration. Arcane is for adults: Disney is just a child's joke written for very very little children.
I'd say Arcane is for everyone. Young teenagers can enjoy it, too. But Disney Star Wars is, for the most part, for nobody. Written for an audience that doesn't exist.
Filoni is worse than a child. children dont get their badly written fanfics about their own OCs(which breaks lore and their characters) made into shows that *somehow* people praise as peak star wars because half the fanbase is snorting nostalgia constantly.
i got so drawn into the arcane scene and wanting to re-watch it because of it that i completely forgot there was a whole star wars part to this video lol. dont think ive ever had my interest/excitement transform into drowsiness quite that quickly before
The reunion moments of Ezra with Hera and Sabine also so void of emotion and like HELLO?!? ANYTHING NEW IN THE GALAXY? Like the emperor is no more ext … dark Carter was actually ANGOLA’S MASTER!!! No TALK ABOUT IT??!?
I don't understand why the droid that was holding Sabine from behind did 't just jump over the railing with her in its arms. I mean, I know WHY. But I mean logically speaking.
It's not like watching Rebels or Clone Wars would help here. The writing of "Ahsoka" is soulless and bullshit, so it doesn't matter. And man, what they did to my man Thrawn. The best comment I read on Thrawn was "He looks like a man living out of a tiny apartment after a terrible divorce."
From that cartoon... gettinhg punched in the stomack so hard you fly back..... that is not what is going to happen.... that punch will go through your body... just like a lightsaber. So.... your point is?
I feel what Disney was trying to do with Sabine is set up her character in a Stoic/post war frame. The problem is with her (in my view) they think stoicism is acting emotionless (cool/edgy) to everything, even to other people and their situation. Good written stoic/post war characters have endure hardship (possibly traumatic hardship) and yes they may struggle to adapt but underneath they remember what it was like before the hardship and they want to feel that way again, and in some cases make a valiant effort to adapt despite emotional pain or fear. I never got that from Sabine. She just struck me as a moody teenager trying to be cool/edgy. Just being passive aggressive or sullen to Ashoka instead of expressing any emotion whatsoever.
Great comparison. Only comment is that the LoL lore is actually pretty solid. Sure, as they add champions the specifics can get a bit goofy, but the main events are well-written.
yeap, that´s sabine for ya, and lets include ezra "goofy aaaah space aladin" bridges too! (i cant bother to remeber his whole name), a mandalorian teenager whos only struggle in the whole rebels series was darth vader deflecting tweo of her blaster shots back to her head, ive always said she was rey with a somehow more irritating personality, the literal mascot of the series where nothing bad could ever happen to her, it was so notorious she was created when disney still thought they could do whatever and noone would bat an eye, it´s curious how many people are coming out NOW to say this, which is curious considering cosmonautic variety hour dunked on this series years ago, my gosh, hera and kanan were really the better protagonic couple .........
Awwww she’s like a baby Rey Am I the only person that have run into way too many Disney shills? They defend this show like it’s the greatest show on earth and call any criticizers whiners. I’ve even seen them saying some of the fights were better than Obi vs Ani in episode 3. Hell, they have even reported The Scoundrel’s Cantina and gotten the channel demonetized for criticizing Ahsoka. A specific quote from one of them was “why can you guys just shut up and enjoy your entertainment”
Okay, here is one MASSIVE flaw. League has insane lore. The game sux ass, but the lore is crazy detailed. It is very easy to make good stories when following the lore. Also, the lore dude from LoL was directly involved in Arcane. As for Disney Star Wars, the makers do not give a single shit about the lore and the Geroge canon.
I like to think that Filoni can actually be a good writer so long as he is given clear boundaries to work within. Runtime limitations on Clone Wars let them tell arcs in an anthology format. Budget limitations on Rebels forced them to make the visuals more stylized and focus on character beats for story over spectacle. Hell even budget limits on first season of Mando forced them to stick to a specific genre and its tropes to succeed. With later shows and especially with Ahsoka he's got too much money, time, and creative liberty that the entire thing melts down.
Its amazing just how unbelievable lazy these writers and directors are when it comes to the multimillion dollar productions. I just typed in "fan lightsaber duels" into TH-cam and there are thousands of videos of random people with really good choreography Hell one of those videos was a guy giving out tips on how to film a lightsaber duel. He says dont aim for the opponents lightsaber cuz thats a rookie mistake and its boring. There needs to be an attacker, a defender, a reaction and a reverse. *Show* that these are skilled warriors by having them adapt to each others fighting style, looking for that one single opening that can turn the tide of the fight. Instead we get children whacking each other with plastic sticks If i had to take a stab at it (pun fully intended) and I HAD to their story beats, I would've wrote something like this: Sabine figures out what the map is (even though a child could figure that out) and the droids attack. She fights them off but is overwhelmed with numbers and they had the element of surprise. They steal the map but before the droids could kill her, she whips out lightsaber in a surprise attack, destroying 2 droids but the third escapes. Sabine runs outside and sees it entering a ship and the ship starts to go up, attempting to leave the atmosphere. Sabine, without thinking, jumps onto the ship and holds on to dear life. She begins to hack the ship with the lightsaber before blondie jumps out and engages her in a duel. They can barely stand and swinging is dangerous to both but theyre desperate to get rid of the other. Sabine manages to cut a large gash before blondie gets an idea and does one of two things. I could go Lucas style and have blondie straight up cut off the arm sabine is using to hold on to the ship, but this is Disney star wars now so they can only get really big boo-boos lol so blondie cuts the bit of the ship that sabine is holding onto the ship. As sabine falls she is flailing about cuz she is completely out of options. Thats when Ahsoka come in with her ship and catches sabine her wing, but the wind is knocked out of her. Suddenly the blonde's ship does a 180 and fires onto Ahsoka, forcing her to do evasive maneuvers but this leads to Sabine falling off again. Now ahsoka has a choice; let sabine fall but take down the enemy ship, or disengage and save her padawan. Ahsoka hesitates only for a second but dives for her apprentice, eventually using the force to slow her fall before landing on the ground The next morning sabine wakes up, battered and bruised but alive. While they did suffer a defeat, sabine points out that the ship they're using cant be used for space travel. They would either have it repaired or they would have to find another ship, which means theyre still on planet and they can start their search from there. Im not a professional writer (but i am willing to learn lol) and that wasnt my best but at least i made an effort to at least make it sense
Ha! Blondie’s hair colour and style is a direct rip from the movie Atomic Blonde….I guess they saw Charlize Therone kicking butt (realistically) with this hair doo and thought …oooh yes we could use that too!
The big mistake was treating a light saber as a sword. Light sabers are not stabbing weapons where you push in and pull out. Sure, you can stab with one but the withdrawal would be a slash. Turning one on then off into someone is the only acceptable way to stab with a light saber.
It's even worse bc the Ahsoka/Sabine relationship it's something created for the show, they never interacted in Rebels, Filoni made Sabine Ahsoka's padawan out of nowhere, and didn't even bother to explain their fall out, it's just there to create some artificial drama but it doesn't work bc we know nothing about their past, yeah we've known Ahsoka for +15 years and Sabine has her fair amount of development in Rebels but watching those other shows has no value here, every new D+ show (especially the ones from Filoni) proves his lack of storytelling skills, turning a really interesting idea (A Mandalorian being trained by a Jedi) into one of the most bland, hollow and boring relationships in the whole franchise, seems like he forgets to writte a story and starts playing with his favorite action figures.
Yep, Sabine sucks I though I was the only one to dislike her, I never understand her reasons and at least for me she is a traitor. BTW I love Ahsoka, but I don't know her series was meh.
I really think Ahoska is just Dave Filonis way of using all his characters from each show he's made but the show falls flat once an actual fan of Rebels and Clone Wars watches it cause Disney still wants people who never watched both shows to watch Ahoska so the writers had to sorta write to please the fans of Rebels and Clone Wars by using all these cameos and call bakcs and also write to please non fans by having epic fights, and these writers just weren't up to the task. the Mandalorian is so good cause of its simplicity, just cool dad in armor being a badass with other cool guys in armor who are also badasses also they don't take the show to seriously cause theres no big characters that are cruical to later its in a self contained story, but Dave Filoni with Ahoska tried to eat everything he put on his plate but his eyes were bigger then his stomach and couldn't fit it in.
You could also argue that a small company like Riot cares about their their few but very valuable intellectual properties, and Disney views Star Wars as yet another money machine in a sea of hundreds of money machines.
I have heard some dumb arguments about why getting stabbed by a lightsaber wouldn't be that big of an issue. Top of the list is that it cauterizes the wound. Now at surface level I can understand the argument but we're not talking about a hot knife, we're talking about something that turns metal into liquids instantly, it would vaporize anything it touches, and don't get me started on the expansion rate of water/blood. The second dumbest argument I hear is "oh the blade is contained by a magnetic field so it only cuts what enters the blades space," or something to that effect. Ignoring the fact that whatever does get stabbed is still getting vaporized, a slight wiggle or flick of the wrist and now that stab wound is 6 inches wide and everything in that line is carbon. Finally, and this is more semantic than tangible world building, it completely defangs lightsabers, and removes any sense of danger from the setting. "Why didn't that character die?" Because the writer-I mean the force didn't want them to. We aren't just seeing the man behind the curtain, he's telling us flat out nothing matters.
The artwork in Arcane was so good that it convinced everyone that the writing wasn't utter garbage. People citing it as great especially in comparison to other crap only demonstrates that the reviewer doesn't actually believe and/or critically evaluate what they're saying. Star Wars is terrible because light sabers don't or have stopped killing people? Well, no less than three protagonists in Arcane return after being within feet of an explosion that kills *several* characters on either side of them.
Would've been cool to see Sabine going to find her weapons and choosing her blasters over her lightsaber symbolizing how she is disconnected from her Jedi training. Then we can get a good and competent battle between Sabine and Shin, and when Shin takes the upper hand instead of stabbing her, Ahsoka arrives just in time, and Shin escapes with the map and have the exact same outcome from the show but with better backstory: Ahsoka disappointed in how Sabine lost the map; she goes to Corellia alone and then everything plays out the same. In fact her not choosing her lightsaber, would've made her character development later on even stronger and made her seem more competent, likeable, and cooler overall to people who didn't know her from Rebels.
people who died from the lightsaber they died because they got stabbed to early, you got to remember that sabine got stabbed afterward in the starwars universe than qui gon technology must have improved, even the reva was stabbed after qui gon so....
Yeah disney did kill star wars and the best part is there are no consequences to anything in the movies/shows and in the studio well colour me surprised.
5:42 shows her getting choke slammed by a mechanical arm through furniture and into the ground. She is able to get up and fight back immediately. I don't think this scene portrays what you want it to. Fight would have been over there. Yet, somehow her trachea, one of the most fragile areas, is as tough as steel.
Sabine is trained in lightsaber combat. she might be rusty and not as polished as a trained Jedi but she should be able to hold her own. the scene was badly executed all around
You never know what you'll get out of Filoni. You got great stuff like TCW, Bad Batch, Mando season 1+2, and Rebels. Then on the other hand you've got rather questionable if not completely shit projects like Ahsoka and Book of Boba. I wonder if it has to do with Disney higher ups injecting bullshit into his stories or if he's genuinely a hit or miss writer...
Some people loved her back in Rebels and I don't understand why, she was a broken character specially at... season 4 IIRC? She was so young and yet she was a badass warrior, pilot, shooter, explosive handler, artist and even an inventor, come on.
Bland wars, where we hope the characters will grow, but live action disney is just awful. I don't know how Andor happened was it like a fluke? and i still didn't like it, i feel like it dragged its feet and his backstory could've been told in a much shorter scene.. but damn its making these shows look like high art. After Mando stole boba fetts personality and did nothing with it, we've gotten not much.
I don't think that Vi new about Jinx while she was in prison. Could be wrong through. So the first part of this should be about Powder, not Jinx. Powder -> cute but essentially useless Jinx -> Crazy AF
@@TrungTH1190 Sorry, i did't make it clear, it takes SOME things from the game, like I places and characters, but how they interact and act are very different from the game, jayce is a good example, does he have something to do with the league counterpart? For sure, but he's also very different
@@imgkaizer it’s called adaptation, they changed anything that could benefit the story that they wanted to tell. Similar thing happened to any other adaptations.
I love shows and films like Arcane because despite Disney's best efforts, they prove that strong, badass AND aggressive female characters can exist and be absolutely amazing
Arcane has TWO extremely buff women that literally solve their issues by punching each other, and they are both amazing on their own right. The problem isnt't "strong" female characters, the problem is terrible and pandering ones
French animators of Arcane were using Male mocap and imposing that data on female bodies. Hence you will never see this in Live Action without hiding faces or stunt double who are masked.
To be honest, watching The Clone Wars for the first time and seeing the entire Maul plotline play out: First with discount Maul "Savage" and then by actual Maul miraculously appearing from the dead, I wasn't a fan. But through the series I almost completely forgot about the character introduction, because they turned Maul into one of the most iconic and compelling characters of the Clone Wars (and Sam Witwer just killed his role). Even though I still technically don't agree with the discision to raise Maul from the dead, it just goes to show how much a show can get away when a character is well written.
Agreed. The idea of Maul surviving that is just downright absurd. Still, with Mauls plot line and everything, I was willing to overlook it for such a good story.
Tal Merrik killed by Anakin as well as 2 Zygerrian Slavers, Captain Argyus stabbed by Ventress. Han Solo. Gha Nachkt, Daka and one other unnamed Nightsister and at least 2 Jedi knights killed by Maul and Savage. Also some clones killed by Ventress and Barriss
@@iondustt I'm going to have to take your word for most of that, since I've never watched any of the cartoons, and so don't get most of your references. Good point on Han though; I must have supressed that memory ;-)
@volodymyr_budii he's dead. Even if the fall didn't get him, the entire planet and station detonating would have finished him, after all that "Palpatine is back" storyline is BS.
@SC4PS That is the point of a joke, unless I told it badly. We don't know if lightsabre would killed him, since all other of this stuff could have done it instead
With how many characters have survived lightsaber stabbings it also begs the question, why is stabbing then drawing from the same hole the technique? Wouldn't it make more sense to slice out or something? I feel like there must be an easy way to make sure the enemy is dead. Like Judge Dredd shooting combatants in the head after the belly. Lightsaber users have to be tracking at this point that stabbing is not the ideal technique for killing the opponent.
For the same reason lightsaber users aren't going for the limbs anymore, the same reason stabbing isn't effective anymore, the same reason no one's getting slashed in half anymore, decapitated, etc If the consequences of lightsaber fights are too severe, you can't have a gazillion of them in every show/movie without writing actual consequences for them, and writing is hard
The death of the well choreographed lightsaber duels is the most egregious offense to me. Even if the story is trash, at least we'd be able to enjoy some cool action between two lightsaber users. You'd think they'd only get better with time, but Disney can't even manage that much. Garbage.
It like it's stuck in a limbo between being more grounded and deliberate and the high-speed turbo fencing of the cartoons/prequel trilogy, and it just looks fucking awful. Insanely slow spins, ponderous lightsaber swings, I loathe it. I like grounded duels, ala real fencing, Hema, Kendo etc, and I like super flashy twirling lightsaber insane bullshittery, this middle-ground they've chosen is just terrible
@@MrTurok999 I have to say, that first fight between Baylan and Ahsoka felt pretty good to me. Both are interesting characters with a solid reason to fight, both adapt style and moves to their opponent and the fight is also used for storytelling in Ahsoka wavering because of her worries for Sabine. It's actually fairly high up in life action saberfights for me.
@@Hunterfalke It's better than any singular sequel trilogy fight, I'll give it that much. It wouldn't be anywhere near my favourite but I won't begrudge people liking it, as it's far from the worst ever.
Hayden Chirstensen apparently was soo good still with the lightsabers that they told him to tone it done, because the other actress couldn't keep up. Like ... this dude loved playing the character enough to retain his skills and still be able to pull off most of the cool and over the top moves he learned 20 years ago. While the one character that is shown in the Clone Wars show to be even more over the top, barely manages to move at all.
I haven't seen Ahsoka, but I love the Arcane analysis. Never quite caught all the different ways that Sevika and Vi kept changing up their tactics to compensate for the other's strengths and weaknesses.
You really expect me to believe that the Lightsaber, an energy sword that is strong enough to cut through metal, has been reduced to a papercut?
We don't, but Disney sure as hell does.
Tis but a scratch.
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Lucas movies: **laugh in Darth Maul**
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@@shizukagozen777 difference is: Darth Maul was a strong sith apprentice of PALPATINE. Fueled by hatred AND THERE WERE CONSENQUENCES. Its not like he just ducktaped his legs back and walked off. There was an entire story around him, showing the madness he's fallen into. The pain. Dont try to compare todays horse shit to that
Disney really succeeded in making one of the most iconic and lethal weapons into a joke. Get stabbed -twice- by Darth Vader, the most notoriously feared mass murderer in the galaxy? Barely in inconvenience.
Don't forget maul getting cut in half and survived off pure hate and the force but this was unexpected and served a purpose for the clone wars series. Unlike just keeping them alive for no reason and no matter what.
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By itself I found Maul surviving to be a bit ridiculous, but they DID have him start out nuts and require some serious outside effort to bring him back to being a threat. He’s also a villain, so this actually raised the danger to the heroes.
surviving fatal light saber wounds is tight.
> Get stabbed twice by Darth Vader, the most notoriously feared mass murderer in the galaxy?
He's a man.
Wow, getting stabbed twice by Darth Vader of all people, must be pretty difficult to recover from that.
Actually it's super easy barely an inconvenience.
That fight breakdown between Vi and Seveka is just so good. It made me appreciate that fight so much more than I already did. That show really is full of art, I appreciate the people smarter and more attuned to details who keep finding it for me.
I require the same people to really mine how truly terrible Star Wars as become as well. I get both in this video. Excellent work.
If you want a really good breakdown of that fight check out Scenic Fights. It's a channel couple MMA guys that breakdown various fights across live action and animated. They go pretty deep into the whole thing. It's really good
Since Vi did plan and lead the robbery which resulted in the destruction of a building, I wouldn't say she was "wrongfully" locked away.
She really was the culprit Piltover was looking for, even if Marcus did not charge her for it to hide her (continuing) existence to Silco. (only officially though. I'm sure his solving this case for the council was among the reasons he became sheriff).
Anyway, this has nothing to do with the point of this video (which I'm sure will be great, so... moving on to watching the rest.
Technically, it was wrongfully, given a life sentence for a robbery without even a trial
Was it legal for Jace to have been developing those highly destructive objects in a residential building?
@@taloutezerowas it even right to stifle one's ambition and growth with fear, doubt, deceit, and self-interest? Jayce had every right to experiment with Hextech.
@@UnknownOps I asked if it was legal. I never asked if it was right. In that case then, is it right for Zaun to be treated as second class citizens to Piltover? Is it right that the only way for them to make a decent living under the boot of Piltover is to have a "crime behind every coin"? Robin Hood is considered a noble figure. And Vi was stealing stuff to sell to Vanders brother in that shop. Him acquiring that stuff would allow for more commerce in his shop.
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Did you really just compare Robin Hood to lil' kid thieves? Sure, the kids were stealing cuz they don't have much opportunity to make money any other way, but c'mon. Nothing about what they did was "noble". Robin Hood was stealing from a corrupt and traitorous government, then giving that money back to those that still favored the true King, the Church, and the poor. Vi and her gang had absolutely no intentions of helping any one but themselves. Sure, they're the protag, but that doesn't mean what they did was right.
I get so thrilled when I see your videos dude. You are hilarious and very smart. Love your LOTR videos but every one I see gets better and better
Can we just appreciate for a second this man's hard work?
you mean editing? yeah it's really good but script has a lot to be desired. i like the aggressive and blunt reactions to bs these shows present but he doesn't need to be so vulgar
@@PolishGoblinn i guess.
@@PolishGoblinn agreed, I’d also say that, he had sensible arguments, but there was also a lot of fluff in there, for example. I didn’t think that it was a cardinal sin for Ahsoka to use the force in zero G in order to maneuver, or for lightsabers to give surface level cuts. I feel that these are just minor things that he picked on, although, with some of his other points I agree with.
I can watch Arcane until the heat death of the universe while watching Ahsoka feels like the heat death of the universe but slower.
I loved listening to your commentary on the Vi vs Sevika fight, because not only was it a great analysis on why it's so good, but I can already tell what the Sabine fight isn't going to do from the points you emphasize 😅
The Lucas non-lethal special was severing limbs. While it had its thematic line in the original trilogy to show Luke becoming Vader, elsewhere the existence of perfect prosthesis made it just as inconsequential. That's why Qui Gon had to die: To bring back stakes. Ever since Disney took over, severed limbs are deemed too gory, so they had to go with gut shots instead. And since it's Disney, nobody dies because they can't lose the potential sales later on.
Feloni was trying out "show don't tell" but he ended up showing and telling nothing and still expected the audience to get it
Vi was good as she made everything worse for her self as he made rash decision after rash decision. its actually very refreshing to see a character fail if their plan is super dumb as it gives stakes to the conflict.
I remember my appendix going bad. After the surgery, which was well done with orthoscopics, there was NO WAY I was sitting up in bed, without heavy medication and a scaffold behind my back.
F-off, Filoni.
Darth maul can survive getting cut in half but it took years for him to recover. But jedi and qui gon can die to a single blaster bolt or lightsaber stab and they just die. While non force users or normal ppl can survive a lighsaber stab or shot to the gut. Bruh.
Sabine actually got stabbed in the rib and it didn't remain too long i think. Maul stabbed qui quon in his spine and it remain there for a while.
@@Carrity Bruh it's a lightsaber. A superheated plasma weapon that can burn through metal doors. I don't think the duration of how long it stays in a flesh body matters. lol
Arcane has just so many insane lessons to learn when it comes to storytelling and I fn love it
I just think being a mandalorian turned Imperial turned bounty hunter turned rebel turned jedi is a bit too much.
I actually like that she sold Ahsoka out. Gave her flaws.
In my opinion expecting the audience to watch other shows to know who the characters are here is a problem (not the only one, but it is a big one). I don't regularly watch Disney Star Wars so I don't know who 99.9% of the characters are, and the creators just expect us to keep up with whatever BS they put on the screen. Luke, Han, Leia and a group of underdogs travelled the galaxy to fight the Empire in the original trilogy. These planks of wood just stare at each other or engage in crap lightsaber fights.
You have to think that they're doing this on purpose. There's no way that they can be this incompetent without it being an active choice
Why people like this show so much it's boring and don't make no sense
The woman are hot, I’ll say that
Because at least it has some lightsabers. The bar is quite low.
Fan service, the same thing happened with Obi-Wan in 2022. You're going to have to wait a few months for people to look at the series more objectively...
I wish I knew.
Filoni is hailed as a messiah of SW but, Clone Wars was only directed by him. Then Rebels, a worse show, had him given more control. Then, a live action show, where he is running the show is putting him at his worst. Animation also gives creators a bit of a guise to hide behind. Now, there is no guise.
The acting does not help. I don't get why Rosario Dawson is portraying Ahsoka as an emotionally devoid monk and Sabine's actor is just dead in the eyes it seems.
But the writing does not lend itself to helping the actors at all. The characters aren't anything like they were in Rebels, makes me wonder if Filoni even remembers the characters from his show.
I think Disney must've told the production "this show needs to be watchable to everyone no matter how much star wars they've seen" - hence the characters are all written out of dirt
+ arcane should end the assumption that scify fans are racists or sexist as it is actually inclusive, both to alphabets and ethnics and universally loved, just because it is sooo good that u can watch it 3 times in a row after you stumbled onto it
Damn those "Long Rests" really are powerful!
Melted organs? Barely an inconvenience.
It's such a shame how thoroughly they butchered these characters. Sabine and Ahsoka used to be two of the most well-written characters in all of Star Wars and great examples of compelling, strong female characters. Now they're a shadow of their former selves. It's honestly a bad joke at this point.
Sabine was never will written. If she was in the episode of rebels than everything was fine because "bombs". Not a may Mary Sue, because she was trained, but an instant suspense killer
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I think you missed a few episodes. There’s quite a few episodes where Sabine doesn’t have a solution when it would have been really helpful for her to have one.
@@rossburney8713 There are quite a few episodes where she actually fucks up or where blowing things up almost resulted in the mission failing.
>Arcane in the thumbnail
OH, the Misery!
Disney continues making movies to serve as examples for film students on what not to do with billions of dollars.
If it was up to me, I would have had Sabine's arm or hand cut off.
Remeber when Sebene was training with the Dark Saber and the old mandalorian told her to stop fighting like a jedi and start fighting like a mandalorian? Then she used her tools and weapons to defeat Ezra. And now we see her weild a light saber, get impaled, and then want to train like a jedi even though she was never force sensitive??? Okay Disney
Been catching up on these vids since seeing you on open bar/ efap. Love what you do, keep it up.
What was that "Bye!" sound effect at 10:42?
arcane is just too fucking good, comparing it to anything else is basically unfair at this point.
First analysis I've seen on Vi, you make me enjoy the good things even more than I did before - Love your videos!
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
The worst part is that Sabine had the most heart wrenching fight/training scene in Rebels. They had the PERFECT foundation for a super interesting character that they just... chose to ignore
The people who say you need to watch Rebels and Clone Wars to understand Ahsoka are just lying to you. I've watched every episode of Clone Wars and Rebels and I can tell you that these are not the same characters that were depicted in those shows. I don't know who these dopplegangers are, but I can tell you that watching the cartoons does not make this show any better, in fact it makes it worse.
My god the sounds of the OG light sabres clashing gives me goose bumps! Lol ❤
I love how at this point you can compare anything terrible to arcane to show how it did it so much better so easily
Premise: Compare two characters that don't have the same role to play in the overall story.
A+.
Arcane is a damn masterpiece, written by someone that is a true writer and full of respect for his audience, giving a multi layered compelling narration. Arcane is for adults: Disney is just a child's joke written for very very little children.
I'd say Arcane is for everyone. Young teenagers can enjoy it, too.
But Disney Star Wars is, for the most part, for nobody. Written for an audience that doesn't exist.
Lightsabers are extremely hot. If you get stabbed by one, water in your body would evaporate instantaneously, resulting in a very gruesome death.
Filoni is worse than a child. children dont get their badly written fanfics about their own OCs(which breaks lore and their characters) made into shows that *somehow* people praise as peak star wars because half the fanbase is snorting nostalgia constantly.
man i loved this one, i just subscribed, please keep doing what you are doing :)
i got so drawn into the arcane scene and wanting to re-watch it because of it that i completely forgot there was a whole star wars part to this video lol. dont think ive ever had my interest/excitement transform into drowsiness quite that quickly before
The reunion moments of Ezra with Hera and Sabine also so void of emotion and like HELLO?!? ANYTHING NEW IN THE GALAXY? Like the emperor is no more ext … dark Carter was actually ANGOLA’S MASTER!!! No TALK ABOUT IT??!?
1:12 To be fair that's just sion from Kotor 2, a fan favorite
I don't understand why the droid that was holding Sabine from behind did 't just jump over the railing with her in its arms. I mean, I know WHY. But I mean logically speaking.
It's not like watching Rebels or Clone Wars would help here. The writing of "Ahsoka" is soulless and bullshit, so it doesn't matter. And man, what they did to my man Thrawn. The best comment I read on Thrawn was "He looks like a man living out of a tiny apartment after a terrible divorce."
From that cartoon... gettinhg punched in the stomack so hard you fly back..... that is not what is going to happen.... that punch will go through your body... just like a lightsaber. So.... your point is?
I feel what Disney was trying to do with Sabine is set up her character in a Stoic/post war frame. The problem is with her (in my view) they think stoicism is acting emotionless (cool/edgy) to everything, even to other people and their situation.
Good written stoic/post war characters have endure hardship (possibly traumatic hardship) and yes they may struggle to adapt but underneath they remember what it was like before the hardship and they want to feel that way again, and in some cases make a valiant effort to adapt despite emotional pain or fear.
I never got that from Sabine. She just struck me as a moody teenager trying to be cool/edgy. Just being passive aggressive or sullen to Ashoka instead of expressing any emotion whatsoever.
Always have disliked this character. The live action version in Ahsoka series is unbearable.
Great comparison. Only comment is that the LoL lore is actually pretty solid. Sure, as they add champions the specifics can get a bit goofy, but the main events are well-written.
The saddest part is that the utterly shitty Episode I, II, III are used in comparison and can stand as "good" examples which sparked emotions....
yeap, that´s sabine for ya, and lets include ezra "goofy aaaah space aladin" bridges too! (i cant bother to remeber his whole name), a mandalorian teenager whos only struggle in the whole rebels series was darth vader deflecting tweo of her blaster shots back to her head, ive always said she was rey with a somehow more irritating personality, the literal mascot of the series where nothing bad could ever happen to her, it was so notorious she was created when disney still thought they could do whatever and noone would bat an eye, it´s curious how many people are coming out NOW to say this, which is curious considering cosmonautic variety hour dunked on this series years ago, my gosh, hera and kanan were really the better protagonic couple .........
Awwww she’s like a baby Rey
Am I the only person that have run into way too many Disney shills? They defend this show like it’s the greatest show on earth and call any criticizers whiners. I’ve even seen them saying some of the fights were better than Obi vs Ani in episode 3. Hell, they have even reported The Scoundrel’s Cantina and gotten the channel demonetized for criticizing Ahsoka.
A specific quote from one of them was “why can you guys just shut up and enjoy your entertainment”
Okay, here is one MASSIVE flaw.
League has insane lore. The game sux ass, but the lore is crazy detailed.
It is very easy to make good stories when following the lore.
Also, the lore dude from LoL was directly involved in Arcane.
As for Disney Star Wars, the makers do not give a single shit about the lore and the Geroge canon.
I really wish more people would wake up to the Filoni mediocrity
I like to think that Filoni can actually be a good writer so long as he is given clear boundaries to work within. Runtime limitations on Clone Wars let them tell arcs in an anthology format. Budget limitations on Rebels forced them to make the visuals more stylized and focus on character beats for story over spectacle. Hell even budget limits on first season of Mando forced them to stick to a specific genre and its tropes to succeed. With later shows and especially with Ahsoka he's got too much money, time, and creative liberty that the entire thing melts down.
Its amazing just how unbelievable lazy these writers and directors are when it comes to the multimillion dollar productions. I just typed in "fan lightsaber duels" into TH-cam and there are thousands of videos of random people with really good choreography
Hell one of those videos was a guy giving out tips on how to film a lightsaber duel. He says dont aim for the opponents lightsaber cuz thats a rookie mistake and its boring. There needs to be an attacker, a defender, a reaction and a reverse. *Show* that these are skilled warriors by having them adapt to each others fighting style, looking for that one single opening that can turn the tide of the fight. Instead we get children whacking each other with plastic sticks
If i had to take a stab at it (pun fully intended) and I HAD to their story beats, I would've wrote something like this:
Sabine figures out what the map is (even though a child could figure that out) and the droids attack. She fights them off but is overwhelmed with numbers and they had the element of surprise. They steal the map but before the droids could kill her, she whips out lightsaber in a surprise attack, destroying 2 droids but the third escapes. Sabine runs outside and sees it entering a ship and the ship starts to go up, attempting to leave the atmosphere. Sabine, without thinking, jumps onto the ship and holds on to dear life. She begins to hack the ship with the lightsaber before blondie jumps out and engages her in a duel. They can barely stand and swinging is dangerous to both but theyre desperate to get rid of the other. Sabine manages to cut a large gash before blondie gets an idea and does one of two things. I could go Lucas style and have blondie straight up cut off the arm sabine is using to hold on to the ship, but this is Disney star wars now so they can only get really big boo-boos lol so blondie cuts the bit of the ship that sabine is holding onto the ship. As sabine falls she is flailing about cuz she is completely out of options. Thats when Ahsoka come in with her ship and catches sabine her wing, but the wind is knocked out of her.
Suddenly the blonde's ship does a 180 and fires onto Ahsoka, forcing her to do evasive maneuvers but this leads to Sabine falling off again. Now ahsoka has a choice; let sabine fall but take down the enemy ship, or disengage and save her padawan. Ahsoka hesitates only for a second but dives for her apprentice, eventually using the force to slow her fall before landing on the ground
The next morning sabine wakes up, battered and bruised but alive. While they did suffer a defeat, sabine points out that the ship they're using cant be used for space travel. They would either have it repaired or they would have to find another ship, which means theyre still on planet and they can start their search from there.
Im not a professional writer (but i am willing to learn lol) and that wasnt my best but at least i made an effort to at least make it sense
Ha! Blondie’s hair colour and style is a direct rip from the movie Atomic Blonde….I guess they saw Charlize Therone kicking butt (realistically) with this hair doo and thought …oooh yes we could use that too!
The big mistake was treating a light saber as a sword. Light sabers are not stabbing weapons where you push in and pull out. Sure, you can stab with one but the withdrawal would be a slash. Turning one on then off into someone is the only acceptable way to stab with a light saber.
If the force is female, we need a new chosen one to bring balance to the force.
That ending bit was perfect
It's even worse bc the Ahsoka/Sabine relationship it's something created for the show, they never interacted in Rebels, Filoni made Sabine Ahsoka's padawan out of nowhere, and didn't even bother to explain their fall out, it's just there to create some artificial drama but it doesn't work bc we know nothing about their past, yeah we've known Ahsoka for +15 years and Sabine has her fair amount of development in Rebels but watching those other shows has no value here, every new D+ show (especially the ones from Filoni) proves his lack of storytelling skills, turning a really interesting idea (A Mandalorian being trained by a Jedi) into one of the most bland, hollow and boring relationships in the whole franchise, seems like he forgets to writte a story and starts playing with his favorite action figures.
My explanation for loss of lethality is Star Wars switched from Warhammer 40k RPG system to DND
thank you finally somebody that isnt just accepting the bullshit disney does, but saying their honest opinion.
Yeah but I still love her from the rebels animated show, nothing will ruin that for me
Yep, Sabine sucks
I though I was the only one to dislike her, I never understand her reasons and at least for me she is a traitor.
BTW I love Ahsoka, but I don't know her series was meh.
Bravo! This video is perfect! You earned a subscriber :-)
I see Disney used D&D logic for Sabines long rest.
To the "too angry to die" sucks arguement i wish to point out that Darth Revan, my pfp, came back from the dead through pure fucking will
It's fine if it gets used for specific rare characters, such as Anakin who is the Chosen One. But it's getting used on literal nobodies like Sabine.
"I can't watch any more." The man said it about his own show, and also for the rest of us.
I really think Ahoska is just Dave Filonis way of using all his characters from each show he's made but the show falls flat once an actual fan of Rebels and Clone Wars watches it cause Disney still wants people who never watched both shows to watch Ahoska so the writers had to sorta write to please the fans of Rebels and Clone Wars by using all these cameos and call bakcs and also write to please non fans by having epic fights, and these writers just weren't up to the task. the Mandalorian is so good cause of its simplicity, just cool dad in armor being a badass with other cool guys in armor who are also badasses also they don't take the show to seriously cause theres no big characters that are cruical to later its in a self contained story, but Dave Filoni with Ahoska tried to eat everything he put on his plate but his eyes were bigger then his stomach and couldn't fit it in.
At first I was upset about Disney “Star Wars” until I learned that most of it isn’t canon anyway so it doesn’t matter.
You could also argue that a small company like Riot cares about their their few but very valuable intellectual properties, and Disney views Star Wars as yet another money machine in a sea of hundreds of money machines.
Well, this makes me wanna watch arcane now tho. So some good has come of it 😅
I have heard some dumb arguments about why getting stabbed by a lightsaber wouldn't be that big of an issue.
Top of the list is that it cauterizes the wound. Now at surface level I can understand the argument but we're not talking about a hot knife, we're talking about something that turns metal into liquids instantly, it would vaporize anything it touches, and don't get me started on the expansion rate of water/blood.
The second dumbest argument I hear is "oh the blade is contained by a magnetic field so it only cuts what enters the blades space," or something to that effect. Ignoring the fact that whatever does get stabbed is still getting vaporized, a slight wiggle or flick of the wrist and now that stab wound is 6 inches wide and everything in that line is carbon.
Finally, and this is more semantic than tangible world building, it completely defangs lightsabers, and removes any sense of danger from the setting. "Why didn't that character die?" Because the writer-I mean the force didn't want them to. We aren't just seeing the man behind the curtain, he's telling us flat out nothing matters.
The artwork in Arcane was so good that it convinced everyone that the writing wasn't utter garbage. People citing it as great especially in comparison to other crap only demonstrates that the reviewer doesn't actually believe and/or critically evaluate what they're saying. Star Wars is terrible because light sabers don't or have stopped killing people? Well, no less than three protagonists in Arcane return after being within feet of an explosion that kills *several* characters on either side of them.
Would've been cool to see Sabine going to find her weapons and choosing her blasters over her lightsaber symbolizing how she is disconnected from her Jedi training. Then we can get a good and competent battle between Sabine and Shin, and when Shin takes the upper hand instead of stabbing her, Ahsoka arrives just in time, and Shin escapes with the map and have the exact same outcome from the show but with better backstory: Ahsoka disappointed in how Sabine lost the map; she goes to Corellia alone and then everything plays out the same. In fact her not choosing her lightsaber, would've made her character development later on even stronger and made her seem more competent, likeable, and cooler overall to people who didn't know her from Rebels.
I'd argue that having watched clone wars and rebels makes it even worse.
people who died from the lightsaber they died because they got stabbed to early, you got to remember that sabine got stabbed afterward in the starwars universe than qui gon technology must have improved, even the reva was stabbed after qui gon so....
Yeah disney did kill star wars and the best part is there are no consequences to anything in the movies/shows and in the studio well colour me surprised.
5:42 shows her getting choke slammed by a mechanical arm through furniture and into the ground. She is able to get up and fight back immediately.
I don't think this scene portrays what you want it to. Fight would have been over there. Yet, somehow her trachea, one of the most fragile areas, is as tough as steel.
You know we're in a dark time line when the disney version of star wars is making the freakin prequels look decent......
Arcane was f**** amazing. The only show in recent memory that I was actually disappointed wasn’t getting another season.
It is. S2 has been in production & is slated for 2024
Sabine is trained in lightsaber combat. she might be rusty and not as polished as a trained Jedi but she should be able to hold her own. the scene was badly executed all around
too bad no one at Disney will watch this or any other critique that will keep them from ruining their content🤷🏾♂️
Arcane ist like the 10/10 example for almost everything ❤
You never know what you'll get out of Filoni. You got great stuff like TCW, Bad Batch, Mando season 1+2, and Rebels. Then on the other hand you've got rather questionable if not completely shit projects like Ahsoka and Book of Boba. I wonder if it has to do with Disney higher ups injecting bullshit into his stories or if he's genuinely a hit or miss writer...
As a non arcane fans
I thought the characters on the thumbnail names Sabine
Some people loved her back in Rebels and I don't understand why, she was a broken character specially at... season 4 IIRC? She was so young and yet she was a badass warrior, pilot, shooter, explosive handler, artist and even an inventor, come on.
Sick fight from Arkane
Bland wars, where we hope the characters will grow, but live action disney is just awful.
I don't know how Andor happened was it like a fluke? and i still didn't like it, i feel like it dragged its feet and his backstory could've been told in a much shorter scene.. but damn its making these shows look like high art.
After Mando stole boba fetts personality and did nothing with it, we've gotten not much.
I don't think that Vi new about Jinx while she was in prison. Could be wrong through. So the first part of this should be about Powder, not Jinx.
Powder -> cute but essentially useless
Jinx -> Crazy AF
I cannot believe I have stopped watching a star wars show. Unprecedented.
Arcane season 1 was so good. I went in blind, not even knowing the game, and loved every episode.
That's the beauty of arcane, it has pretty much nothing to do with the game
@@imgkaizer It takes characters and their backstories from the game, even some settings. So it does have something to do with the game.
@@TrungTH1190 Sorry, i did't make it clear, it takes SOME things from the game, like I places and characters, but how they interact and act are very different from the game, jayce is a good example, does he have something to do with the league counterpart? For sure, but he's also very different
@@imgkaizer it’s called adaptation, they changed anything that could benefit the story that they wanted to tell. Similar thing happened to any other adaptations.
@@TrungTH1190 That's pretty much exactly what I said, it's SIMILAR enough to be recognizable, but not to be predictable
I love shows and films like Arcane because despite Disney's best efforts, they prove that strong, badass AND aggressive female characters can exist and be absolutely amazing
@vergils_plastic_chair"I don't hate you because your a woman, I hate you because you're an Asshole" essentially
Arcane has TWO extremely buff women that literally solve their issues by punching each other, and they are both amazing on their own right. The problem isnt't "strong" female characters, the problem is terrible and pandering ones
French animators of Arcane were using Male mocap and imposing that data on female bodies. Hence you will never see this in Live Action without hiding faces or stunt double who are masked.
@@OrichalcumHammer that's interesting and makes so much sense
@@OrichalcumHammer Wow, that's cool. God I love Arcane.
To be honest, watching The Clone Wars for the first time and seeing the entire Maul plotline play out: First with discount Maul "Savage" and then by actual Maul miraculously appearing from the dead, I wasn't a fan. But through the series I almost completely forgot about the character introduction, because they turned Maul into one of the most iconic and compelling characters of the Clone Wars (and Sam Witwer just killed his role).
Even though I still technically don't agree with the discision to raise Maul from the dead, it just goes to show how much a show can get away when a character is well written.
Mail resurrection was very contrived. But it was a good side story with them taking the pirates.
He was too angry to die I guess
@@deeked700 Ironic, since he was set up to die all along, like Ventress.
Agreed. The idea of Maul surviving that is just downright absurd. Still, with Mauls plot line and everything, I was willing to overlook it for such a good story.
I really need them to answer the question of how he takes a shit after he gets his lower body replaced with the robot😆
At this stage I am left wondering, is Qui-Gon Jinn the only character NOT to survive being driven through by a lightsabre?
Tal Merrik killed by Anakin as well as 2 Zygerrian Slavers, Captain Argyus stabbed by Ventress. Han Solo. Gha Nachkt, Daka and one other unnamed Nightsister and at least 2 Jedi knights killed by Maul and Savage. Also some clones killed by Ventress and Barriss
@@iondustt I'm going to have to take your word for most of that, since I've never watched any of the cartoons, and so don't get most of your references.
Good point on Han though; I must have supressed that memory ;-)
@@iondustt We have no proof that Han Solo died from a lightsaber and not the fall 😛
@volodymyr_budii he's dead. Even if the fall didn't get him, the entire planet and station detonating would have finished him, after all that "Palpatine is back" storyline is BS.
@SC4PS That is the point of a joke, unless I told it badly. We don't know if lightsabre would killed him, since all other of this stuff could have done it instead
With how many characters have survived lightsaber stabbings it also begs the question, why is stabbing then drawing from the same hole the technique? Wouldn't it make more sense to slice out or something? I feel like there must be an easy way to make sure the enemy is dead. Like Judge Dredd shooting combatants in the head after the belly. Lightsaber users have to be tracking at this point that stabbing is not the ideal technique for killing the opponent.
In the Shatterpoint novel (SPOILER), Mace Windu holds his opponent's arm in place so they don't slice it out sideways and kill him.
For the same reason lightsaber users aren't going for the limbs anymore, the same reason stabbing isn't effective anymore, the same reason no one's getting slashed in half anymore, decapitated, etc
If the consequences of lightsaber fights are too severe, you can't have a gazillion of them in every show/movie without writing actual consequences for them, and writing is hard
You forget who owns light sabers? South Park was right Disney is the worst studio to sell Star Wars to.
Indeed. The first lightsaber death on screen was a fucking beheading.
Why bother? Darth Maul was sliced all the way in half and still came back... xD
The death of the well choreographed lightsaber duels is the most egregious offense to me. Even if the story is trash, at least we'd be able to enjoy some cool action between two lightsaber users. You'd think they'd only get better with time, but Disney can't even manage that much. Garbage.
It like it's stuck in a limbo between being more grounded and deliberate and the high-speed turbo fencing of the cartoons/prequel trilogy, and it just looks fucking awful. Insanely slow spins, ponderous lightsaber swings, I loathe it. I like grounded duels, ala real fencing, Hema, Kendo etc, and I like super flashy twirling lightsaber insane bullshittery, this middle-ground they've chosen is just terrible
@@MrTurok999you guys are sad beings lol get a life 😂😂😂 nothing better to do but talk shit about a fantasy story you have no right over 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MrTurok999 I have to say, that first fight between Baylan and Ahsoka felt pretty good to me. Both are interesting characters with a solid reason to fight, both adapt style and moves to their opponent and the fight is also used for storytelling in Ahsoka wavering because of her worries for Sabine. It's actually fairly high up in life action saberfights for me.
@@Hunterfalke It's better than any singular sequel trilogy fight, I'll give it that much. It wouldn't be anywhere near my favourite but I won't begrudge people liking it, as it's far from the worst ever.
Hayden Chirstensen apparently was soo good still with the lightsabers that they told him to tone it done, because the other actress couldn't keep up. Like ... this dude loved playing the character enough to retain his skills and still be able to pull off most of the cool and over the top moves he learned 20 years ago. While the one character that is shown in the Clone Wars show to be even more over the top, barely manages to move at all.
I haven't seen Ahsoka, but I love the Arcane analysis. Never quite caught all the different ways that Sevika and Vi kept changing up their tactics to compensate for the other's strengths and weaknesses.