do any of you even play classic? having someone go stand in the middle of the gurabashi arena isnt a fair chance lol especially with a massive amount of people there. its just lame and boring to have zeroji go and kill him when it could have been cool to watch him fight his way out organically.
@@Eso_lags thats exactly the point though. If he has the slightest chance to survive everyone will cheat. The only mistake they did was making content out of it. They should have made him instantly delete the char if they dont want to ban them from the guild. Same outcome
Sequesha said he did it for bag space and overpriced the items on the ah, yet he put up items for sale per item not as a stack, and they all sold. That guy doubled down with his bag space lie and morons ate it up lmao
Exactly! Sequisha Cheated and lied about it when caught. He's so lucky to still be a part of this event. If it was for the bagspace he could've made a new char, run to the city and mail items too it, return the mail when he want the items. Especially now with instant account mail. paying to put items up for sale as a way to save bagspace was so stupid I'm surprised no one had more questions about it. Edit: It should be noted too that the character is not gone. If it was a casual who cares more about the character then the guild, he could've refused to go in and even now he can still transfer the char to the non-hardcore server and play it.
@@kbsskb788 lol i didnt knew u can just transfer the dead chracter on the normal classic server to play further? so lets say if i die with 50 i can just transfer it to classic server and play my lvl 50 there furhter?
"I don't like this aspect of the game so cheating with it isn't really cheating" is wild. teh bags space problems IS part of Hardcore. These cheaters need to grow up. You signed up for a gamemode with these rules and restictions. Full stop.
@@user-ks2ly2eh5m No, he has no point. He's completely wrong. Sequisha should've been kicked immediately and honestly Summit as well for insulting and harassing Zeroji.
Does summit not understand the alternative was him just deleting his character? He cheated. He was out of the guild or die. Instead of dying off screen he got to do a fun event before being executed.
@@frappervin3042 That is litterally the options stated by soda in the video. It was also stated by soda prior to all this happening. If you cheat in the guild you have only two options. You either delete and start over. This allows you to keep making content, but doesn't ruin the integrity of the guild. OR you get kicked and you can do your own hardcore wow thing that probably no one cares about because you're just doing what all the wow streamers have been doing for a long time now. Nothing new. Then he got the arena thing which he really shouldn't of even gotten in all honesty and died. Who the fuck cares. The result for him was basically the same and also WHO FORCED HIM INTO THE ARENA. People are acting like he walked into the arena being told that nothing will happen and they won't allow his character to die. No one fucking said that. He went in knowing full well his character at MINIMUM could die. Because its the arena too, a fucking viewer or random could of just done the same thing to him. Why are we pretending like the arena is not the arena. Prior to this there is a death clip of a low level dude trying to loot the chest and a max level rogue appears out of nowhere and kills his HC character. THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE ARENA! and it can be done by anyone in guild or not.
@@demon3203 no he had the option to have a debuff but he passed it to do the arena did you not watch his talk before this event? was saying he had 3 options
@@frappervin3042 That's literally what the options were. Soda was going to make him delete his character but Mizkif came up with this idea, Soda even put it down to 10 mins instead of 30. I think even giving him a chance to keep his character and stay in the guild was pretty lenient.
@@WrestleGermainia he was given the option to have a debuff too but he choose the arena and went out swinging and good for him but he was given the option to have the debuff so there was 3 options
Sequisha was destined to die because he cheated. Die in arena or by fall damage. They made it as a fun event and it was, good content. Would it have been more fun if it was equal level who took the life of Sequisha ? Yes Apparently noone had the balls, so Zeroji took the matters in his own hands backed up by Trolls. Let the RP racism start!
yeah but its so dumb to think about what summit is saying. basically a lvl 40 or wtv cheated and he HAD to die but they made content out of it with the arena. Should a lvl 60 kill him and make some funny content that they executed him (yes) Or should they send 3 lvl 40's or wtv and possibly let them die and make them LOSE THEIR TIME AS WELL even though they DID NOT cheat ??? like i dont undestand summits logic at all
All this Drama does is Rob future fun events. It should have been made clear, "No matter what event we do or not do, you have 2 options: Leave, or die and restart."
@@Addictnator was actually crazy content to see. I’ve never seen something like this, and it bums me out because now they’re never gonna do it again because summit caused so much drama and sent so much hate
"You cheated, you gonna die" Why is everyone getting mad at the executioner? Better let everybody else who didnt cheat risk their progress so the cheater doesnt fall alone? Summit used to be cool but damn his ego really got in the way of thinking. Sequisha should just have gone in the arena, kneel down, speak his last words and be honorful and take the deserved punishment. Rest of the people getting mad, stay away from anything rp related/hc related thanks.
It was a lot of fun to watch the community try and navigate the situation until a literal who sweat lord killed the cheater. It was anti climatic and put some one into focus that didn't even want to be there in the first place. It's almost like the cheater spent 30+ hours to inflate the clout of a speed leveler, feels bad. If cheating is that big of a deal to the folks in onlyfangs they should of been willing to stand their ground, not call in the AoE farmer mage. They probably shouldnt even of glorified cheating with the event, but it was fun. so what ever.
Fr, i mean it is on the individuals for jumping in, i do admit. But the fact that there was even a chance of other people losing their characters to begin with bc of this guy cheating is kinda wild. "It should have been a fair fight" argument is so entitled its crazy
He has some kind of victim/injustice complex. In his mind the level 60 will forever be the big bad evil bully that preyed on this helpless little ''casual'' and no amount of facts or reason will change that. It's honestly kind of scary how nothing will get through to him.
Holy shit it is so satisfying to hear someone call summit out on his bullshit. He does this sort of shit so often in GTRP and everyone around him just yes man's and is super nice to him.
While I don't agree with summit I think the reason this argument went in a circle is cause summit isn't saying what he means. He is mad that the result of him cheating was a death sentence rather than a competitive match that the cheater had a chance of winning. It's a fundamental disagreement with the SSF guild ruleset and tbh he shouldn't be playing if that's the case.
I mean he makes a fair point however he's not explaining his point well. in essence soda argues that it was a guild decision and that zeroji didn't have a choices in the matter and bear no responsibility. Summit argues that even with peer pressure the person has a choice in jumping in or not at making the choice of jumping didnt sit well with summit
@@MrRjizz yeah but the guy cheated so why does it matter if its fair or not? Also getting that mad over someone killing someone else in a 20 year old video game as 40 year old man is really pathetic lmao
@@MrRjizz cheat = death from the start. soda only mess up was making a event and not just kicking him from the start. That was a rule from the start and summit thinks that 60 hour = I can cheat and risk other non cheater characters.
@@bathtoasters582 1. its not my argument i dont care either way, i can see being upset about it if you are a very competitive however i think summit went a bit over the line here. Second him cheating=death is kinda irrelevant in the context of summit being upset. given that it was supposed to be a challenge otherwise whats the point in the time limit they set?
The fuck does it matter if he was two shot by a 60, if the alternative was getting killed in 2 seconds by an angry mob that was rapidly closing in the distance?
bcs everone forgot that... nobody remembers that seq had several people running at him, they just remember 60 hunter finishing the job, a mercy kill if you ask me. the selective memory is unreal. and honestly calling the hunter a dumbass and lowlife for this is just pathetic. honestly id just gkick summit, this shit is pathetic
Dude cheated, shouldnt have his character, end of story. Lucky he's even allowed to be in the guild still at all. Anyone saying or worrying about anything else is a window licker
If homie's getting this mad about "60 hours" that aren't even his, then HC WoW isn't the game for him. Wait til he finds out that you'll one day lose HUNDREDS of hours from someone else's DC. this is the game. These are the risks. live with it. if you can't, don't play. Those hours aren't "Wasted time" he still got stream out of it. Content. memories. a WHOLE FUCKING EVENT centered around him. When you die in HC WoW, you don't waste time. You build memories, and you build experience for next time. Every single death I've done in HC has taught me a lesson of some kind.
This is just what summit does when you don't have a fair shot at winning. He's hyper competitive and it doesn't matter if the punishment fits the crime or not, people have to have a fair shot at winning. Someone could kill 30 people in a mall and summit will crash out if more cops show up than the criminal can handle. He sees it as an injustice above all injustices. Let's be honest, the dude cheated and deserved to be dropped from the event. He spent 60 hours cheating and gaining an advantage over other people, putting the entire event's integrity at risk. He deserved to have his character killed, get kicked from the event, and for him to not get invited to future events. Getting an IN-GAME punishment and no IRL repercussions outside of having to restart the game is crazy lenient.
Sequisha was going to lose the character either way if he wanted to stay in the guild. Either by killing it himself and rerolling or by taking his chances in the arena. That was the punishment for cheating. Ultimately he had the choice of staying in guild or moving on. No reason to be upset with anyone.
idk why summit's letting the sweat vs casual thing get in the way of a fun way to kill a cheating character, especially when the rule was to gkick without question. This whole thing was mercy on Sequisha from the beginning and regardless of the outcome. Soda probably hit the nail on the head when he brought up sum's mental space, because none of this makes sense from summit's perspective - even after watching the full vods. It comes across as jealousy over the attention Zeroji is getting, or he's mad because he likes sequisha and doesn't like seeing him being killed as content. Rare L from sum here
The sweat vs casual thing is so stupid lmao summit is talking to the sweat that made the guild who is punishing a sweat that got caught cheating Summit is unfortunately brain dead
nah its pretty clear I dont understand how soda didnt see summit's pov, I'll give an example as to how summit sees this. You are in school and see a fight going down(everyone knew there was going to be a fight) fist to fist could be a senior vs a freshman but its gonna be fist to fist, psych some jock just walked up and one tapped them with a baseball bat. This has been my story time
@@moesback Your analogy doesnt make sense at all, we're not talking about real life people bullying someone younger than them, we're talking about a guy cheating in a game, where he AGREED to the group he was playing with, that if he cheated, he would literally be KICKED OUT of the group without another word about him. Soda was nice enough to negotiate down to just letting him restart his character but stay in the guild He was EVEN NICER by making it a fun event for everyone, Sequesha's character was SUPPOSED TO BE DELETED, he wasn't supposed to walk out of this alive. Summit fans are such dumb fucks lmao I swear dont bother replying to this btw I muted comment notifications from this video because since I'm right I should have the last word, happy to have taught you, you're welcome :)
@@moesback Bro, are you actually this stupid? This situation is more like, a criminal is gonna get caught but Summit is mad the cops showed up instead of a random John fighting it out 1 on 1. The cheater got this to make a fun event out of the first cheater being caught, not to please your 1vs1 fantasy. The problem with other lvl 37´s going down to fight him is that they have to risk their characters that have done nothing wrong to deal with a cheater, no one wanted to do that so we got this situation. Also the cheater(lvl37) killed 3 under lvls, but then you realize he had a (lvl44)rogue helping him and that just diminishes, if this was a fair fight he would have died 4 mins in.
@moesback a lvl 60 killing him doesn't matter because his punishment was to die or lose his gear and then miz said to have him die in the arena. No matter what cheaters die. He wasn't getting off without losing items or the whole character.
GTA RP did this to summit, he thinks if everything isn't an even playing field its wrong no matter what. The problem with that is this was never meant to be an even playing field, Sequisha went OUT OF HIS WAY to cheat the system and in all honesty he should have been Gkicked and not allowed to participate with the onlyfangs content anylonger but because Soda is a good guy Sequisha got a little bit of favoritism and got off the hook with a more soft punishment.
I don't fully agree because sending a 60 on him is the same as him being told to delete his character. Permanently kicking him out of the guild instead is definitely a discussion though
@@erich1380 Bro what about the 45 rogue literally body guarding the cheater. Send in the 60, null and void the 45 rogue, call it a day. Who cares, dude blatantly cheated, got caught. I don’t see how this affects anyone else but the cheater. Nuff crying.
@StoneislandYT nobody cares that he died for it, they care that it just insta ruined the event with no possible recourse. It's like walking into a meeting and ripping a wicked fart then sitting down and wondering why everyone is looking at you
@ Bro it wasn’t instant, dude was literally in the arena for almost over 5mins just being guarded by a 45 rogue that wasn’t even in the guild. That’s a fucking snoozefest. The cheater should’ve been perma gkicked and made an example out of. He literally turned off the only fangs addon, used to the auction house, turned it back on after collecting gold from the mail, got caught, and then lied his way outta the gkick and Soda allowed it because Miz and Sods wanted to use his death for content. It’s the guild’s right to hold one another accountable, they’re also part of the server. And if I had to follow arbitrary rules put in place, and someone else decided to abuse the system to not follow them while the vast majority are, I would’ve jumped in and nuked him immediately if I was part of his guild and already hit 60.
All opinions aside, Summit seems incapable of having a serious conversation. I can't imagine him being that angry about this. I hope he's not always like this when something "important happen". He's just unable to even let soda finish a sentences, always cutting him, ranting, not listening to anything. Rules states that Sequisha should be banned from the guild, he got off really easy.
Sequisha was going to die anyway to restart, that's his punishment. Why does it matter if a level 60 did it or he just jumped off a cliff? Summit seems pissed that 60 hours was stolen from Sequisha for leveling, but that 60 hours was going to be taken away ANYWAY, no matter how he died. That was his punishment. Ive always liked summit but I don't understand his argument/why he got SO heated over this. EDIT: I was only listening to the video the first time, but after rewatching, he DID kill people in the arena, which makes it even worse that people died for his punishment,
I don't get Summit's argument about playtime and casuals but I think it was stupid because they broke their own rule of not turning cheaters into content, came up with an interesting idea for that content that gave him a chance survive then they convinced the max level to go be the executioner and end it by himself in an instant ruining the content they broke their own rule for.
@@gaspara9817 Yea I agree with the content thing, they should have just not done content at all in my opinion. But even so, in the end, the punishment is the punishment. And if Sequisha HAD somehow survived, or even killed even just ONE person, the the argument would be "He should have never had a chance" or "Why did X person have to die for Sequisha's punishment" It was a lose/lose from the start. In the future I hope they just don't do content at all. Just handle it behind the scenes and move on.
OK Full story time. Go listen to Sequisha vod while he is waiting in the Arena. The whole Undead voice call is there discussing how they are going to kill Zeroji with their entire raid and that they have him marked as a skull along with another troll player as a "X". They said MULTIPLE time in the chat "Yeah we can use this to get points". Obviously people told Zeroji this plan (who was not going to go in and was there just to watch). Zeroji chat lit up with people saying they are going to kill you. They want you bad etc. Zeroji, with brass balls, who is not a B!TCH said F-it I'll go in and make another character. He expected FULLY to be jumped. END Rant.
@@Tyzen7 20-30 player raid single targeting a shit geared 60...yeah he would stand ZERO chance. He's dead. The Undead were just all talk being hard in voice chat and did NOTHING. They just let Zeroji walk out after all that talk with him fully expecting to get jumped and dying.
Summit babyraging for nothing lol. Soda was gonna have him just kill the character for nothing, hes lucky he got content when he cheated. This was a win-win for literally everyone except Summit I guess??
Summit needs to chill tf out. His argument is based on taking 60 hours away from someone. He lost those hours the second he KNOWINGLY turned his addon off and cheated. It was that action that killed his character
You could have done that with the same person that you guys f***** over but you didn't you guys are a bunch of little pussies. Soda must have his dick really far up your ass
You arent Using your brain To understand. He Doesnt care about The punishment. He Doesnt Like the idea that the sweatiest Dude Chose To Go to the arena to Kill him, Which didnt even Give him a fair chance So he might aswell have deleted his character and the punishment was Flawed.
@@whatifvisualsthere is no way. Dude, everyone knew he had ZERO chance on that life any more. Even if he survived arena, Soda would have made him die regardless. That guy was marked for death, deletion, or kick from guild. It doesn’t matter how it happened. Wake up
@@AionDefninjathen just kick him and don’t do this dumb crap of telling him, hey bud, you have a chance to live! Makes it to the last 30 seconds and then max char comes in. Stupid.
@@whatifvisuals the dude fucking cheated. He shoulda been kicked from the start, or his character killed. If he survived this it would have been a negative.
I liked Summit til I saw this video. Can't understand his lgoic at all - he was a dead man walking who didn't even deserve this second chance, there was no way he was coming out that arena alive. Doesn't matter who killed him. Comes off like a real baby.
You know you could have did this another way just kicking him out of the group you know that right you are just a bunch of pansy ass little girls who don't care about other people.
summits only point was that as someone who dosent want to play wow hard or has at all, the 60 hours saquisha put into the game is now fully wasted, summit agreed with the punishment but disagreed with the lvl 60 coming in to two shot the guy not even giving him a proper chance, but the fact that soda lied to saquisha saying he would have a chance only to kill him regardless left a sour taste in my mouth and summit had a valid point, then chance to say the trolls dont want to waste their character but does this to sequisha its hypocrisy
Wait so what im gathering: Sequisha cheats by disabling the OnlyFangs addon and selling bags on the AH Claims for bag space which Soda seems okay with so he lets him off with "kill character start over" Mizkif comes up with the idea that Sequisha sits in gurubashi arena and everyone watches to see if anyone kills him (and if he doesnt get killed, a guildie kills him) The trolls send in a champion Zeroji, who is a speed leveler and level 60 to kill Sequisha Undead get together as a raid and discuss killing Zeroji in the arena Zeroji learns of this and goes in expecting to die but kills Sequisha Undead dont end up doing their raid People are mad that they sent in a level 60 instead of a lower level Especially Summit for some reason who just seems to be missing information This seems correct th-cam.com/video/7p2kFLWlnQM/w-d-xo.html Heres context video This shit be confusing mon
so Sequisha cheated yes. saying he was going to use AH bank as item holder. Punishment was going to be make him kill his char and start over. Mizkif was like make him go to the arena and stay in there for like 10 mins. if he lives he lives. if server kills them they made their decision. Everyone is watching but trolls plan beforehand to make sure he dies. Zeroji is who they decided to do it cause nobody else wants to die cause of another characters punishment. Zerojis insta kills and gets out. Summit is mad a lvl 60 did it instead of a bunch of lvl 40s even though anyone who goes in the pit is free for all. so even going in with allies you can kill each other.
@@Meeces55 Lol you're just mad, its a different event this year, and the trolls are following the rules and not cheating, so its not projection, its them obeying the rules, they're even being extremely generous by letting him stay in the guild and making his cheating punishment at least be entertaining
doesnt even matter who it was. the whole point was for the cheater to die in spectacular fashion. some people like summit just created this weird underdog fantasy where they wanted the cheater to survive
Which sucks, even more because for him to survive implies one of two things. Either no one wanted to even try and kill him because scared to lose their character which isn't a good representation of how the guild feels about the situation. OR he killed every non cheater who stepped up which means people are ACTUALLY playing the right way are losing all their hours put in all because this guy is cheating and ruining this entire event for everyone.
You have a bunch of people who made a career out of being the loudest people in the room, who all are 30+, and never got of the internet - never got punched in the face by acting obnoxious. And when you put them all together, they will EAT EACHOTHER. Listening to a discord of all of them is like hearing children in elementary school. All screaming over each, all talking over each other. The only thing thats missing here is xqc, screaming.
its like the wow version of a reality show but its super raw like fishtank(24/7 online reality show). love it. noticed with fishtank it can really get to the conductors head even tho everything is actually chill so hopefully soda can hold it together.
ur overexaggerating, people act obnoxious even if there is a threat of being punched, sure streamers are babies but content is king at the end of the day and none of this is that serious
his punishment was death by combat. he was sentenced to death. nobody else wanted to play the executioner role so zeroji finished the job. he could've been kicked. but no. they let him stay in.
Summit looked like a crabby old man that got upset for the sake of getting upset and when confronted with a logical answer to his debate just doubled down knowing he has no point to make. He literally just kept repeating his 60hour line and this guys a sweat line over and over like he was 80yrs old trying to remember why he's mad. Irony....the guy he was defending was a sweat and literally had to go into the game and turn off the add-on, posted items on the AH, and then turned off and covered up his stream to avoid detection.....that's as sweaty as you can get. Not only that he straight up lied to Soda when confronted saying it was for bag space when his entire mailbox was full of sold auction notices with gold attached. The fact he's still in the guild is amazing and Summit just looks like an old man sitting on his porch telling kids to get off the grass.
So… in reality he should’ve deleted his character. He gets a chance in the arena if he can stand there for 10 minutes. It’s very implicit that everything goes. If the whole guild wanna jump him, then so be it. If a level 60 is gonna jump him, then so be it. That’s the punishment. Then don’t cheat and it won’t happen.
The thing is that streamers believe that the game belongs to them. Gurubashi is gurubashi. If you jump in then live with the consequences. I see so many streamers killing low level people in gurubashi, but when the streamers do an "event" there, is the gurubashi arena closed to all other players? The high level dude did what ALL high level people have done since the gurubashi arena existed. LOW LVL KILLING PEOPLE IS PART OF GURUBASHI!
Regardless of what you think about the level 60 jumping in, Soda was very clear that there is no cheating (that means using the AH) and doing so would result in a gkick. So, letting him stay in the guild is a good deal
@@HeK. honestly I’m a summit viewer I like summit, but in this situation, I think you might be right. That was crazy unwarranted personal insults over something summit was obviously uninformed about.
yeah the was he talked about zeroji a fellow streamer, a colleague if you will was gross. truly made a fool of himself, my jaw was on the floor during the discord call
Summit makes it sound as if it was a 1v1 trial by combat via a Mak’gora as opposed to an arena execution. Sequisha knew he was dead the moment he went into the arena. Don’t see why summit is malding so hard about a cheater who accepted his death willingly.
Bro they should have guild kicked him. Soda was actually super nice by letting him stay in the guild. He literally cheated... Why are so many defending him lol.
He has a personnel vendetta against zeroji....sum1 sounds jealous too me. Sequisha cheated.....to right his executioner shud have the ability to execute him
Summit saying the shit about hive mentality is valid. That is a bigger picture thing I feel like with cancel culture and all that garbage. He has the final say at the end of the day whether or not he is going to jump in and execute the guy. I think summit has the right to make his own opinion as does everyone else. Just bc he is a big streamer he can’t say he dislikes someone for their actions like cmon. That dude is loving the attention just like any other smaller streamer would.
ok, if i was soda here, i would've gkicked Summit about 10 min into this video. End of story, Sequisha cheated, he knew he cheated, he knew he did something he shouldn't. In reality, What do Sequisha say himself? dont think he think it is unfair.
I think i know the issue, it was labeled as " if you survive you can continue" yet from the start the person who offered that was rigging it so he could never walk out. Also saying summit cant rant when its HIS STREAM an also saying he is sending hate when summit always rants and tells people its his opinion and he doesnt want people going and hate mongering is bs
I think Summit is not explaining his position/opinion properly. I think what bothers him is that Soda made it seem like Sequisha would have a chance to "win" that punishment but then "rigged" it by sending someone way above Sequishas character that could 1 shot him. Thats not necessarily a bad argument, but thats also what Soda wanted at first, he wanted Sequisha to kill his character to be fair to everyone. And Sequisha honestly kicked some a**. He off'd a few characters. Kudos to him.
Except soda never made it seem like that. In the original call he told sequisha his fate would be decided by server. And immediately the trolls/ without soda. Were talking about killing him and making sure he died.
@@jamesn4867 I said "Soda" just for the sake a "simplicity" but yes it was not just him but everyone on his discord. Which is fair, cant let a cheater go unpunished!
Sure but summit also has to understand what the point of the arena punishment was. Realistically nobody expected him to walk out of there Scott free, the arena was meant to kill him and make him an example
im not gonna lie i agree with summit, he makes a good point. what was the point of making it a challenge of surviving for 15 minutes if they just planned to kill him with a 60 from the very beginning? it was kinda pathetic tbh.
I thought it was great content until a 60 jumped in and showed there was no chance of him getting out of this. He took on multiple higher levels. No 37 is beating a 60.
Summit contradicts himself cus he says he's fine with the punishment not being a gkick, but Sequisha most likely dying in the arena or having to delete his character. Summit goes and says that 60 hrs are ripped from the guy, but thats exactly what was supposed to happen initially.
He still is, he just thinks the punishment is too much. Which is fair, if soda would have made him strip all his gear, vendor it and delete his gold. That'd been enough content and punishment. But Summit values the time invested into the characters more than soda.
@@imyournme6632 You are an equal idiot to Summit dude. The guy literally cheated and if he valued his hours he wouldn't have cheated. It was literally made clear before the servers even launched that cheating will come at a SEVERE Fucking punishment, like how dumb and dense are you guys.
I mean if you get a VAC you’re permanently banned. No one cares how many hours you put in. The actual „sentence“ agreed upon beforehand was a gkick. This was lenient.
@@imyournme6632 but soda gave seq the choice to leave the guild or take a cowards debuff. Seq then chose to do the arena, in fact he was more then ready to doing it even though he was told that he was most likely going to die. If summit has to be mad at someone, it’s probably seq for making a decision that didn’t line in with his ideals.
I'm not sure how you watch this clip and think that summit is the one with the ego. Soda called summit, tells him that his OPINION is wrong, pretends like he doesn't understand where summit is coming from, then doubles down at the end and rubs it in summits face about what zeroji did..... Summit is just saying that its not cool to waste 60 hours of someone's life, it's someone with an ego that wouldn't have a problem doing that.
after watching the first clip of accusing the cheater. i honestly agree with summit. it was 3 gold he coulda just gave it away. and he didnt even mean to cheat.
@ either way its 3 gold u can legit do any profession for 30 minutes to get 3 gold, i guess its not that big a deal since hes a streamer and soda just gave him more time for content. but i think sum being mad is valid.
peoples time? They are streamers mate. Summit have been dropping back to back 12 hour streams leveling his warrior. They are all sweats and what respect has he been showing Zeroji throughout this? Dude is clearly on a T-break with those moodswings he has going on. He was whining about people driving slow in the left lane for half an hour a few days ago
I haven't played WoW in 5 years, but I happened to stumble upon this drama. Here are the facts for anyone catching up: ---This was a punishment for cheating. The intent - keyword "intent" - was to bank alt his items in the auction house. Those actions are not allowed, and a strict punishment for cheating was delivered. ---The original punishment was to delete the character immediately. An alternative punishment was pitched to delete all items and carry the 3 day Cower debuff. But then, the Gurubashi Arena was pitched. ---This was not a challenge. The alternative punishment was not meant to be fair. It was meant set the example to not cheat. ---Sodapoppin did say he did not want punishments to farm content. ---Sodapoppin's reinforcement of the rules and his opinion have been agreed on by the majority, while Summit's opinion is agreed on by the minority. (Based on multiple platforms) Adding two opinions: ---While Sodapoppin did not want this punishment to be for content, the alternative punishment was decided on the spot. It turned a disheartening scenario into something with a little fun to lighten the mood. I think this was better. I do believe this was the best decision because it respected the person who spends a lot of time playing, but still reinforced the rules to never cheat. I don't see this scenario occurring again for others can farm content. ---I feel Summit is trying to reinforce his opinion by not caring about other's opinion, saying (using his words here) "I'm not a hivemind" and "I don't give a shit about what other people think". Summit is right that he can have an opinion. Same with Sodapoppin. They both tried to justify their reasoning, and neither opinion changed. ---Summit is expressing his opinion while not caring about others' opinions. In addition, he is trying to convince someone that he is right. Especially since his opinion is agreed by the minority, it will obviously create more tension for Summit, and will make it harder for hisself if he continues to push his unpopular opinion. In the end, what was done has been done. I'm confident Sodapoppin and Summit will talk again. This is just drama combined with strong opinions.
Dude says "You take away 60hrs like its nothing" like he doesn't stream for an average of 14hrs a day. Brother, putting in that time is your JOB as a streamer
Soda said cheaters would be kicked from the guild but didn't kick Sequisha. Soda lied. Soda said content wouldn't be made from cheaters. He made Sequisha do an arena event for his survival as a cheater. Soda lied. Soda said the cheater had a chance to survive the arena content if he lasted 10 minutes. Then went back on the deal after a meeting with the other Troll's and had Zeroji make sure he died. Giving your word, then going back on it makes you a liar. Why is everyone hating on Summit1G because Soda keeps lying? If Soda had just stuck to the rules, none of this drama would have happened.
You think Summit wouldn’t be mad if the guy just got kicked? Cuz there is a clip of Summit bitching about the guy potentially getting kicked after the hours out in. Defending a CHEATER. Also think Rome and gladiators. The moment I heard arena for ten minutes, I knew that he wouldn’t leave the arena alive.
You can hear it in Summits voice, he knows he's wrong, once Soda clarified that it was a group choice and Zeroji was "pushed" to go in by pretty much everyone and he did, once that was clear Summit just decided to double down knowing he's wrong to dislike the guy for it. Sequesha broke the rules, his punishment was death, it could have been boring and have him just jump off Thunder Bluff, instead the entire guild got content he lasted for a while in the Arena, and then it was ended by Zeroji the best person for the job as the strongest in the guild. If anything that ending makes the most sense because the punishment was what it was supposed to be, one level 60 or one hundred level 25-30's, irrelevant.
@@RololoTheOneAndOnly I wonder if Summit would be bitching about it if that's how it went down, he considers it "unfair" because Zeroji is a sweat and level 60, but surely it'd be just as unfair if 100+ characters dogpiled him.
@@FriedrichMeier0 You must not watch Summit at all if you dont see that this is normal summit. Summit cant ever be wrong and every argument ends in "agree to disagree".
I like Summit and Sequisha alot, but this made zero sense to me lol. I cant think of a better way to deal with a cheater; being nice enough to giv Seq another chance wasn't even mandatory and then creating a spectacle out of the character death. Well handled Soda and I have a feeling it might take a few days, but Summit will come around. Little drama spices things up, but it getting personal is pretty sad.
Why wasn't he banned like what was said was going to be done by Soda? NO SURPRISE he wasn't, content and all. Lost my respect for SOda 100% now. When you break your own word, you're worthless imo
Maybe thats the problem, he actually believed that Seq had a chance to survive. I find it hilarious that everyone but Summit was actually getting involved into the whole thing. The Trolls were sending in Zeroji to make sure he didn't, the Undead were plotting to send people in to stop Zeroji and the Trolls from killing him. Maybe if Summit tried to actually get involved with the guild he wouldn't be so left out of the loop.
Think of the alternatives Summit is asking for in a PUNISHMENT FOR CHEATING 1. Hes asking for innocent guildies with 30-40 level characters with 100+ hours put in to go in and very plausibly die in a content event which is suppose to PUNISH a cheater, not them 2. If not, hes asking for enough 30-40 level characters to go in that they'd safely kill the guy anyways, making it essentially the same as sending a lvl 60 3. If not, hes asking the nullify the punishment due to no one wanting to go in and risk losing their character
Notice how when summit makes fair points and opinions it leads to sodapoopin saying I guess we just move you out of the guild. He can’t even stand to talk someone with a differing opinion!
Context for those who missed it: th-cam.com/video/-IbMCUJumm0/w-d-xo.html
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if you give a cheater a "fair" chance then everyone will make cheating content and we will have a boring ass event again.
preach, summits attitude only makes me think he is also cheating
cheating is not fair. Demanding "FAIR" chance for CHEATER is hypocrisy.
Soda two weeks ago: "If you cheat, we'll remove you from the guild and not even make content about it"
do any of you even play classic? having someone go stand in the middle of the gurabashi arena isnt a fair chance lol especially with a massive amount of people there. its just lame and boring to have zeroji go and kill him when it could have been cool to watch him fight his way out organically.
@@Eso_lags thats exactly the point though. If he has the slightest chance to survive everyone will cheat. The only mistake they did was making content out of it. They should have made him instantly delete the char if they dont want to ban them from the guild. Same outcome
Sequesha said he did it for bag space and overpriced the items on the ah, yet he put up items for sale per item not as a stack, and they all sold. That guy doubled down with his bag space lie and morons ate it up lmao
Exactly! Sequisha Cheated and lied about it when caught. He's so lucky to still be a part of this event.
If it was for the bagspace he could've made a new char, run to the city and mail items too it, return the mail when he want the items. Especially now with instant account mail. paying to put items up for sale as a way to save bagspace was so stupid I'm surprised no one had more questions about it.
Edit: It should be noted too that the character is not gone. If it was a casual who cares more about the character then the guild, he could've refused to go in and even now he can still transfer the char to the non-hardcore server and play it.
They want to believe him, bc they like him, thats all.
@@kbsskb788 lol i didnt knew u can just transfer the dead chracter on the normal classic server to play further? so lets say if i die with 50 i can just transfer it to classic server and play my lvl 50 there furhter?
@@Rakbam1yeah but just on the anniversary realms that just came out
"I don't like this aspect of the game so cheating with it isn't really cheating" is wild. teh bags space problems IS part of Hardcore. These cheaters need to grow up. You signed up for a gamemode with these rules and restictions. Full stop.
Summit is crying more than the person who died
Yeah he’s a weirdo
@@drewwil891 its ok drew keep wasting time on pixels
Hardcore into intense for anyone under 4’11”
Like always, but he has a point, still didn't have to whine so long about it lol
@@user-ks2ly2eh5m No, he has no point. He's completely wrong. Sequisha should've been kicked immediately and honestly Summit as well for insulting and harassing Zeroji.
Soda said in the beginning if you cheat you're out of the guild completely... This dude got off easy.
Does summit not understand the alternative was him just deleting his character?
He cheated. He was out of the guild or die. Instead of dying off screen he got to do a fun event before being executed.
i dont think you know what the options was
@@frappervin3042 That is litterally the options stated by soda in the video. It was also stated by soda prior to all this happening. If you cheat in the guild you have only two options. You either delete and start over. This allows you to keep making content, but doesn't ruin the integrity of the guild. OR you get kicked and you can do your own hardcore wow thing that probably no one cares about because you're just doing what all the wow streamers have been doing for a long time now. Nothing new. Then he got the arena thing which he really shouldn't of even gotten in all honesty and died. Who the fuck cares. The result for him was basically the same and also WHO FORCED HIM INTO THE ARENA. People are acting like he walked into the arena being told that nothing will happen and they won't allow his character to die. No one fucking said that. He went in knowing full well his character at MINIMUM could die. Because its the arena too, a fucking viewer or random could of just done the same thing to him. Why are we pretending like the arena is not the arena. Prior to this there is a death clip of a low level dude trying to loot the chest and a max level rogue appears out of nowhere and kills his HC character. THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE ARENA! and it can be done by anyone in guild or not.
@@demon3203 no he had the option to have a debuff but he passed it to do the arena did you not watch his talk before this event? was saying he had 3 options
@@frappervin3042 That's literally what the options were. Soda was going to make him delete his character but Mizkif came up with this idea, Soda even put it down to 10 mins instead of 30. I think even giving him a chance to keep his character and stay in the guild was pretty lenient.
@@WrestleGermainia he was given the option to have a debuff too but he choose the arena and went out swinging and good for him but he was given the option to have the debuff so there was 3 options
Sequisha was destined to die because he cheated. Die in arena or by fall damage.
They made it as a fun event and it was, good content.
Would it have been more fun if it was equal level who took the life of Sequisha ? Yes
Apparently noone had the balls, so Zeroji took the matters in his own hands backed up by Trolls.
Let the RP racism start!
yeah but its so dumb to think about what summit is saying. basically a lvl 40 or wtv cheated and he HAD to die but they made content out of it with the arena.
Should a lvl 60 kill him and make some funny content that they executed him (yes)
Or should they send 3 lvl 40's or wtv and possibly let them die and make them LOSE THEIR TIME AS WELL even though they DID NOT cheat ??? like i dont undestand summits logic at all
All this Drama does is Rob future fun events. It should have been made clear, "No matter what event we do or not do, you have 2 options: Leave, or die and restart."
I swear people don't even listen to themselves, its like blud hit someone with their fist and suddenly everyone wants to hang the person.
@@Addictnator was actually crazy content to see. I’ve never seen something like this, and it bums me out because now they’re never gonna do it again because summit caused so much drama and sent so much hate
My only issue is I think it is just a dumb rule in general
"You cheated, you gonna die" Why is everyone getting mad at the executioner? Better let everybody else who didnt cheat risk their progress so the cheater doesnt fall alone? Summit used to be cool but damn his ego really got in the way of thinking. Sequisha should just have gone in the arena, kneel down, speak his last words and be honorful and take the deserved punishment.
Rest of the people getting mad, stay away from anything rp related/hc related thanks.
It was a lot of fun to watch the community try and navigate the situation until a literal who sweat lord killed the cheater. It was anti climatic and put some one into focus that didn't even want to be there in the first place. It's almost like the cheater spent 30+ hours to inflate the clout of a speed leveler, feels bad.
If cheating is that big of a deal to the folks in onlyfangs they should of been willing to stand their ground, not call in the AoE farmer mage.
They probably shouldnt even of glorified cheating with the event, but it was fun. so what ever.
Fr, i mean it is on the individuals for jumping in, i do admit. But the fact that there was even a chance of other people losing their characters to begin with bc of this guy cheating is kinda wild. "It should have been a fair fight" argument is so entitled its crazy
@@Lumbermill-wow you don’t even know what you’re talking about for starters he’s a hunter, not a mage
RP isn't having a level 60 2 shot a level 30. That's just greifing
Yeah he is not mad about the cheating he is rather mad about the cheater getting pounded 😅
Every summit watcher knows he does this in all the games he plays lol
For real lmao
Yep. Never ending loop
Body of a man, but temperament and mind of a child. Embarrassing, actually.
Yep lmao
Does he really? I always see him act chill
Why does summit always find the strangest hills to die on. He does this for everything.
an easy excuse
@@wardtf2 lol
This is just like when he crashed out because OTT made too much money playing poker in GTA. Dude is way too invested in video games.
He has some kind of victim/injustice complex. In his mind the level 60 will forever be the big bad evil bully that preyed on this helpless little ''casual'' and no amount of facts or reason will change that. It's honestly kind of scary how nothing will get through to him.
@ yeah - seems like it. Imagine him experiencing STV on a PvP server lol
Summit is actually crazy I ain't gonna lie
Hes got that midlife crisis energy
Summit is goat streamer
just needs to smoka da reefer MON'
Holy shit it is so satisfying to hear someone call summit out on his bullshit. He does this sort of shit so often in GTRP and everyone around him just yes man's and is super nice to him.
While I don't agree with summit I think the reason this argument went in a circle is cause summit isn't saying what he means. He is mad that the result of him cheating was a death sentence rather than a competitive match that the cheater had a chance of winning. It's a fundamental disagreement with the SSF guild ruleset and tbh he shouldn't be playing if that's the case.
Holy crap summit out here sounding so dumb. He made me want to pull my hair out.
I mean he makes a fair point however he's not explaining his point well. in essence soda argues that it was a guild decision and that zeroji didn't have a choices in the matter and bear no responsibility. Summit argues that even with peer pressure the person has a choice in jumping in or not at making the choice of jumping didnt sit well with summit
@@MrRjizz yeah but the guy cheated so why does it matter if its fair or not? Also getting that mad over someone killing someone else in a 20 year old video game as 40 year old man is really pathetic lmao
@@MrRjizz cheat = death from the start. soda only mess up was making a event and not just kicking him from the start. That was a rule from the start and summit thinks that 60 hour = I can cheat and risk other non cheater characters.
@@MrRjizz Sequisha wasn't meant to survive this event or continue on with this character afterward.
@@bathtoasters582 1. its not my argument i dont care either way, i can see being upset about it if you are a very competitive however i think summit went a bit over the line here. Second him cheating=death is kinda irrelevant in the context of summit being upset. given that it was supposed to be a challenge otherwise whats the point in the time limit they set?
The fuck does it matter if he was two shot by a 60, if the alternative was getting killed in 2 seconds by an angry mob that was rapidly closing in the distance?
bcs everone forgot that... nobody remembers that seq had several people running at him, they just remember 60 hunter finishing the job, a mercy kill if you ask me. the selective memory is unreal. and honestly calling the hunter a dumbass and lowlife for this is just pathetic. honestly id just gkick summit, this shit is pathetic
summit is literally the biggest crybaby of all time.
Dude cheated, shouldnt have his character, end of story. Lucky he's even allowed to be in the guild still at all. Anyone saying or worrying about anything else is a window licker
"tell me how you feel, and ill tell you why youre wrong"
Fucking hilarious to start off with that 😂
@@pandagaming100 😂
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Summit going way too deep with this
I really dont get his logic. He's hating on zeroji for the wrong reason
"dude think about all that time wasted" as he plays hardcore, where the entire point is potentially wasting entire days
He thinks its too harsh for someone who cheated?? I really don't get where the heat is coming from
If homie's getting this mad about "60 hours" that aren't even his, then HC WoW isn't the game for him. Wait til he finds out that you'll one day lose HUNDREDS of hours from someone else's DC. this is the game. These are the risks. live with it. if you can't, don't play.
Those hours aren't "Wasted time" he still got stream out of it. Content. memories. a WHOLE FUCKING EVENT centered around him.
When you die in HC WoW, you don't waste time. You build memories, and you build experience for next time. Every single death I've done in HC has taught me a lesson of some kind.
Showing off his critical thinking skills there + Upset child level energy = worst take ever (unless he is acting for drama)
This is just what summit does when you don't have a fair shot at winning. He's hyper competitive and it doesn't matter if the punishment fits the crime or not, people have to have a fair shot at winning.
Someone could kill 30 people in a mall and summit will crash out if more cops show up than the criminal can handle. He sees it as an injustice above all injustices.
Let's be honest, the dude cheated and deserved to be dropped from the event. He spent 60 hours cheating and gaining an advantage over other people, putting the entire event's integrity at risk. He deserved to have his character killed, get kicked from the event, and for him to not get invited to future events. Getting an IN-GAME punishment and no IRL repercussions outside of having to restart the game is crazy lenient.
you are sick in the head
I think summit just hates being the casual when he used to be at the top for cs.
Your comparison of the mall scenario made me cackle
honestly this gives credence to soda's original policy: no NOT make content out of people breaking the rules
true he broke his own rule of people breaking the rules.
He took his own 60 hours. He was either going to die from soda saying delete you shit, leave the guild, or go to the arena and 99.999% die.
Sequisha was going to lose the character either way if he wanted to stay in the guild.
Either by killing it himself and rerolling or by taking his chances in the arena.
That was the punishment for cheating.
Ultimately he had the choice of staying in guild or moving on.
No reason to be upset with anyone.
idk why summit's letting the sweat vs casual thing get in the way of a fun way to kill a cheating character, especially when the rule was to gkick without question. This whole thing was mercy on Sequisha from the beginning and regardless of the outcome. Soda probably hit the nail on the head when he brought up sum's mental space, because none of this makes sense from summit's perspective - even after watching the full vods. It comes across as jealousy over the attention Zeroji is getting, or he's mad because he likes sequisha and doesn't like seeing him being killed as content. Rare L from sum here
The sweat vs casual thing is so stupid lmao summit is talking to the sweat that made the guild who is punishing a sweat that got caught cheating
Summit is unfortunately brain dead
nah its pretty clear I dont understand how soda didnt see summit's pov, I'll give an example as to how summit sees this. You are in school and see a fight going down(everyone knew there was going to be a fight) fist to fist could be a senior vs a freshman but its gonna be fist to fist, psych some jock just walked up and one tapped them with a baseball bat. This has been my story time
@@moesback Your analogy doesnt make sense at all, we're not talking about real life people bullying someone younger than them, we're talking about a guy cheating in a game, where he AGREED to the group he was playing with, that if he cheated, he would literally be KICKED OUT of the group without another word about him.
Soda was nice enough to negotiate down to just letting him restart his character but stay in the guild
He was EVEN NICER by making it a fun event for everyone, Sequesha's character was SUPPOSED TO BE DELETED, he wasn't supposed to walk out of this alive.
Summit fans are such dumb fucks lmao I swear
dont bother replying to this btw I muted comment notifications from this video because since I'm right I should have the last word, happy to have taught you, you're welcome :)
@@moesback Bro, are you actually this stupid?
This situation is more like, a criminal is gonna get caught but Summit is mad the cops showed up instead of a random John fighting it out 1 on 1.
The cheater got this to make a fun event out of the first cheater being caught, not to please your 1vs1 fantasy.
The problem with other lvl 37´s going down to fight him is that they have to risk their characters that have done nothing wrong to deal with a cheater, no one wanted to do that so we got this situation.
Also the cheater(lvl37) killed 3 under lvls, but then you realize he had a (lvl44)rogue helping him and that just diminishes, if this was a fair fight he would have died 4 mins in.
@moesback a lvl 60 killing him doesn't matter because his punishment was to die or lose his gear and then miz said to have him die in the arena. No matter what cheaters die. He wasn't getting off without losing items or the whole character.
GTA RP did this to summit, he thinks if everything isn't an even playing field its wrong no matter what. The problem with that is this was never meant to be an even playing field, Sequisha went OUT OF HIS WAY to cheat the system and in all honesty he should have been Gkicked and not allowed to participate with the onlyfangs content anylonger but because Soda is a good guy Sequisha got a little bit of favoritism and got off the hook with a more soft punishment.
I don't fully agree because sending a 60 on him is the same as him being told to delete his character. Permanently kicking him out of the guild instead is definitely a discussion though
yea summit being so loud about this only makes me think he is also cheating and trying to find a way out now
@@erich1380
Bro what about the 45 rogue literally body guarding the cheater.
Send in the 60, null and void the 45 rogue, call it a day. Who cares, dude blatantly cheated, got caught. I don’t see how this affects anyone else but the cheater. Nuff crying.
@StoneislandYT nobody cares that he died for it, they care that it just insta ruined the event with no possible recourse. It's like walking into a meeting and ripping a wicked fart then sitting down and wondering why everyone is looking at you
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Bro it wasn’t instant, dude was literally in the arena for almost over 5mins just being guarded by a 45 rogue that wasn’t even in the guild.
That’s a fucking snoozefest.
The cheater should’ve been perma gkicked and made an example out of. He literally turned off the only fangs addon, used to the auction house, turned it back on after collecting gold from the mail, got caught, and then lied his way outta the gkick and Soda allowed it because Miz and Sods wanted to use his death for content.
It’s the guild’s right to hold one another accountable, they’re also part of the server. And if I had to follow arbitrary rules put in place, and someone else decided to abuse the system to not follow them while the vast majority are, I would’ve jumped in and nuked him immediately if I was part of his guild and already hit 60.
"Sober Summit not be wun of us mon" 😂
I hollered when he said that lolol
All opinions aside, Summit seems incapable of having a serious conversation. I can't imagine him being that angry about this. I hope he's not always like this when something "important happen".
He's just unable to even let soda finish a sentences, always cutting him, ranting, not listening to anything.
Rules states that Sequisha should be banned from the guild, he got off really easy.
Sequisha was going to die anyway to restart, that's his punishment. Why does it matter if a level 60 did it or he just jumped off a cliff? Summit seems pissed that 60 hours was stolen from Sequisha for leveling, but that 60 hours was going to be taken away ANYWAY, no matter how he died. That was his punishment. Ive always liked summit but I don't understand his argument/why he got SO heated over this. EDIT: I was only listening to the video the first time, but after rewatching, he DID kill people in the arena, which makes it even worse that people died for his punishment,
I don't get Summit's argument about playtime and casuals but I think it was stupid because they broke their own rule of not turning cheaters into content, came up with an interesting idea for that content that gave him a chance survive then they convinced the max level to go be the executioner and end it by himself in an instant ruining the content they broke their own rule for.
@@gaspara9817 Yea I agree with the content thing, they should have just not done content at all in my opinion. But even so, in the end, the punishment is the punishment. And if Sequisha HAD somehow survived, or even killed even just ONE person, the the argument would be "He should have never had a chance" or "Why did X person have to die for Sequisha's punishment" It was a lose/lose from the start. In the future I hope they just don't do content at all. Just handle it behind the scenes and move on.
If you are a casual player you should not be playing hardcore. It's not debatable.
OK Full story time. Go listen to Sequisha vod while he is waiting in the Arena. The whole Undead voice call is there discussing how they are going to kill Zeroji with their entire raid and that they have him marked as a skull along with another troll player as a "X". They said MULTIPLE time in the chat "Yeah we can use this to get points". Obviously people told Zeroji this plan (who was not going to go in and was there just to watch). Zeroji chat lit up with people saying they are going to kill you. They want you bad etc. Zeroji, with brass balls, who is not a B!TCH said F-it I'll go in and make another character. He expected FULLY to be jumped. END Rant.
Thanks for the full context.
Soda mentions that shortly after the call. 21:15 - 21:36, just some stuff left out since he didn't see the VOD
..and the undeads chickened out and now they are mad.
We gotta give the undead credit for their rp in that case, plotting against the rest of the horde is definitely in the nature of the Forsaken
He's level 60, it wouldn't matter anyway
@@Tyzen7 20-30 player raid single targeting a shit geared 60...yeah he would stand ZERO chance. He's dead. The Undead were just all talk being hard in voice chat and did NOTHING. They just let Zeroji walk out after all that talk with him fully expecting to get jumped and dying.
I'm still trying to figure out why Summit is so mad lmao he's making no fucking sense
Summit babyraging for nothing lol. Soda was gonna have him just kill the character for nothing, hes lucky he got content when he cheated. This was a win-win for literally everyone except Summit I guess??
Summit needs to chill tf out. His argument is based on taking 60 hours away from someone. He lost those hours the second he KNOWINGLY turned his addon off and cheated. It was that action that killed his character
Drinking Game!
Take a shot everytime this manchild says "Brother", "Do I have to like everyone in the guild?" and "60 hours"
The manchild even called him a b!tch live on stream too!
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To step it up a level you can add “sweat” and “casual”
bro just kick summit. what an whiney dud.
You could have done that with the same person that you guys f***** over but you didn't you guys are a bunch of little pussies. Soda must have his dick really far up your ass
You arent Using your brain To understand. He Doesnt care about The punishment. He Doesnt Like the idea that the sweatiest Dude Chose To Go to the arena to Kill him, Which didnt even Give him a fair chance So he might aswell have deleted his character and the punishment was Flawed.
@@whatifvisualsthere is no way. Dude, everyone knew he had ZERO chance on that life any more. Even if he survived arena, Soda would have made him die regardless. That guy was marked for death, deletion, or kick from guild. It doesn’t matter how it happened. Wake up
@@AionDefninjathen just kick him and don’t do this dumb crap of telling him, hey bud, you have a chance to live! Makes it to the last 30 seconds and then max char comes in. Stupid.
@@whatifvisuals the dude fucking cheated. He shoulda been kicked from the start, or his character killed. If he survived this it would have been a negative.
I liked Summit til I saw this video. Can't understand his lgoic at all - he was a dead man walking who didn't even deserve this second chance, there was no way he was coming out that arena alive. Doesn't matter who killed him. Comes off like a real baby.
You know you could have did this another way just kicking him out of the group you know that right you are just a bunch of pansy ass little girls who don't care about other people.
summits only point was that as someone who dosent want to play wow hard or has at all, the 60 hours saquisha put into the game is now fully wasted, summit agreed with the punishment but disagreed with the lvl 60 coming in to two shot the guy not even giving him a proper chance, but the fact that soda lied to saquisha saying he would have a chance only to kill him regardless left a sour taste in my mouth and summit had a valid point, then chance to say the trolls dont want to waste their character but does this to sequisha its hypocrisy
He was dead anyway loads of other trolls jumped in too
@dank9084 you guys all took this too far all you had to do was kick him out of the group.
@dank9084 oh my God he cheated we are all cheating doing other things but we don't care about that. Just kick the cheater out of the group dumbass
"Do I have to like everyone??"
No one said you had to.
Wait so what im gathering:
Sequisha cheats by disabling the OnlyFangs addon and selling bags on the AH
Claims for bag space which Soda seems okay with so he lets him off with "kill character start over"
Mizkif comes up with the idea that Sequisha sits in gurubashi arena and everyone watches to see if anyone kills him (and if he doesnt get killed, a guildie kills him)
The trolls send in a champion Zeroji, who is a speed leveler and level 60 to kill Sequisha
Undead get together as a raid and discuss killing Zeroji in the arena
Zeroji learns of this and goes in expecting to die but kills Sequisha
Undead dont end up doing their raid
People are mad that they sent in a level 60 instead of a lower level
Especially Summit for some reason who just seems to be missing information
This seems correct
th-cam.com/video/7p2kFLWlnQM/w-d-xo.html
Heres context video
This shit be confusing mon
so Sequisha cheated yes. saying he was going to use AH bank as item holder.
Punishment was going to be make him kill his char and start over.
Mizkif was like make him go to the arena and stay in there for like 10 mins. if he lives he lives. if server kills them they made their decision.
Everyone is watching but trolls plan beforehand to make sure he dies.
Zeroji is who they decided to do it cause nobody else wants to die cause of another characters punishment.
Zerojis insta kills and gets out.
Summit is mad a lvl 60 did it instead of a bunch of lvl 40s even though anyone who goes in the pit is free for all. so even going in with allies you can kill each other.
@@jamesn4867Trolls have projection issues, they hate cheaters because they've had like 3 high ranking members take coward debuffs.
@@SenatorDodo09 nice summation
@@Meeces55 Lol you're just mad, its a different event this year, and the trolls are following the rules and not cheating, so its not projection, its them obeying the rules, they're even being extremely generous by letting him stay in the guild and making his cheating punishment at least be entertaining
summit is always mad and sad.
reminder summit is pushing 40 and acts like this 😂😂
A man of principles?
Wow that’s wild… acting like a 10yr old
@kurtiskrejci723 what principle lmao i wanna see you type it out and see what a dumb thing you're dickriding
I mean he had is own opinion in his stream and soda wanted to make it public and keep ranting his nonsense, idk man..
doesnt even matter who it was. the whole point was for the cheater to die in spectacular fashion. some people like summit just created this weird underdog fantasy where they wanted the cheater to survive
Which sucks, even more because for him to survive implies one of two things. Either no one wanted to even try and kill him because scared to lose their character which isn't a good representation of how the guild feels about the situation. OR he killed every non cheater who stepped up which means people are ACTUALLY playing the right way are losing all their hours put in all because this guy is cheating and ruining this entire event for everyone.
You have a bunch of people who made a career out of being the loudest people in the room, who all are 30+, and never got of the internet - never got punched in the face by acting obnoxious. And when you put them all together, they will EAT EACHOTHER.
Listening to a discord of all of them is like hearing children in elementary school. All screaming over each, all talking over each other. The only thing thats missing here is xqc, screaming.
Well said!
its like the wow version of a reality show but its super raw like fishtank(24/7 online reality show). love it. noticed with fishtank it can really get to the conductors head even tho everything is actually chill so hopefully soda can hold it together.
ur overexaggerating, people act obnoxious even if there is a threat of being punched, sure streamers are babies but content is king at the end of the day and none of this is that serious
Don’t forget to add most are multi- millionaires and spoiled
yes i agree with what u said, but at the same time if u dont like how streamer act why are u even here ?
his punishment was death by combat. he was sentenced to death. nobody else wanted to play the executioner role so zeroji finished the job.
he could've been kicked. but no. they let him stay in.
thanks for putting this all together!!
Summit looked like a crabby old man that got upset for the sake of getting upset and when confronted with a logical answer to his debate just doubled down knowing he has no point to make. He literally just kept repeating his 60hour line and this guys a sweat line over and over like he was 80yrs old trying to remember why he's mad. Irony....the guy he was defending was a sweat and literally had to go into the game and turn off the add-on, posted items on the AH, and then turned off and covered up his stream to avoid detection.....that's as sweaty as you can get. Not only that he straight up lied to Soda when confronted saying it was for bag space when his entire mailbox was full of sold auction notices with gold attached. The fact he's still in the guild is amazing and Summit just looks like an old man sitting on his porch telling kids to get off the grass.
Ive never seen another grown man so hurt over what happened to another grown man.
So… in reality he should’ve deleted his character. He gets a chance in the arena if he can stand there for 10 minutes. It’s very implicit that everything goes. If the whole guild wanna jump him, then so be it. If a level 60 is gonna jump him, then so be it. That’s the punishment. Then don’t cheat and it won’t happen.
The thing is that streamers believe that the game belongs to them. Gurubashi is gurubashi. If you jump in then live with the consequences. I see so many streamers killing low level people in gurubashi, but when the streamers do an "event" there, is the gurubashi arena closed to all other players? The high level dude did what ALL high level people have done since the gurubashi arena existed. LOW LVL KILLING PEOPLE IS PART OF GURUBASHI!
Regardless of what you think about the level 60 jumping in, Soda was very clear that there is no cheating (that means using the AH) and doing so would result in a gkick. So, letting him stay in the guild is a good deal
What a drama queen. Soda should've kicked Summit out of the guild for sending so much public hate towards Zeroji for no reason.
@@HeK. honestly I’m a summit viewer I like summit, but in this situation, I think you might be right. That was crazy unwarranted personal insults over something summit was obviously uninformed about.
yeah the was he talked about zeroji a fellow streamer, a colleague if you will was gross. truly made a fool of himself, my jaw was on the floor during the discord call
AHAHAHA SO FUNNY DUDE! He’s the drama queen? SODAPOOPIN called HIM! And caused all this back and fourth BS ON PURPOSE FOR CONTENT! 😂
summit had his own opinion on the situation, soda made big deal about it.
@@keukkoeukko soda made a big deal? brother, hop off summits dick for one second so you have enough blood going to your brain
Near-40 year olds caring far too much.
Welcome to earth.
Summit makes it sound as if it was a 1v1 trial by combat via a Mak’gora as opposed to an arena execution. Sequisha knew he was dead the moment he went into the arena. Don’t see why summit is malding so hard about a cheater who accepted his death willingly.
Bro they should have guild kicked him.
Soda was actually super nice by letting him stay in the guild.
He literally cheated... Why are so many defending him lol.
summit is such a child
He has a personnel vendetta against zeroji....sum1 sounds jealous too me.
Sequisha cheated.....to right his executioner shud have the ability to execute him
Summit crashing out on a game and acting like a child. Color me surprised. He's been this way for years with every game he has played.
Summit +1
Summit saying the shit about hive mentality is valid. That is a bigger picture thing I feel like with cancel culture and all that garbage. He has the final say at the end of the day whether or not he is going to jump in and execute the guy. I think summit has the right to make his own opinion as does everyone else. Just bc he is a big streamer he can’t say he dislikes someone for their actions like cmon. That dude is loving the attention just like any other smaller streamer would.
ok, if i was soda here, i would've gkicked Summit about 10 min into this video.
End of story, Sequisha cheated, he knew he cheated, he knew he did something he shouldn't.
In reality, What do Sequisha say himself?
dont think he think it is unfair.
I think i know the issue, it was labeled as " if you survive you can continue" yet from the start the person who offered that was rigging it so he could never walk out. Also saying summit cant rant when its HIS STREAM an also saying he is sending hate when summit always rants and tells people its his opinion and he doesnt want people going and hate mongering is bs
100% agree
yea sequesha literally sold half the stuff he put up on the AH , sadly summit didn't know any of that
He does he just doesn’t care
oh, summit knew. he's just babyraging for no reason
Holy shit, your profile pic and name bring back memories from LF2. What a throwback.
I think Summit is not explaining his position/opinion properly. I think what bothers him is that Soda made it seem like Sequisha would have a chance to "win" that punishment but then "rigged" it by sending someone way above Sequishas character that could 1 shot him. Thats not necessarily a bad argument, but thats also what Soda wanted at first, he wanted Sequisha to kill his character to be fair to everyone. And Sequisha honestly kicked some a**. He off'd a few characters. Kudos to him.
He went out like a G. But Summit hating on Zeroji for all the wrong reason
Except soda never made it seem like that. In the original call he told sequisha his fate would be decided by server. And immediately the trolls/ without soda. Were talking about killing him and making sure he died.
@@AwangKhairunnas Yeah he really thought Sequisha had a chance lol.
@@jamesn4867 I said "Soda" just for the sake a "simplicity" but yes it was not just him but everyone on his discord. Which is fair, cant let a cheater go unpunished!
Sure but summit also has to understand what the point of the arena punishment was. Realistically nobody expected him to walk out of there Scott free, the arena was meant to kill him and make him an example
This project looses nothing when summit is gone, it just gets even better to be fair
summit view makes more sense to me
imagine a Cry Gang member sending hate to someone and being oblivious about it and defend a cheater.
Like he wouldn't like a cheater in Counterstrike to get punished, what a clown.
Hes also always mad and sad in CS for any fuckin reasons.
Thats how he operates, thats how he rolls, thats how he grows.
im not gonna lie i agree with summit, he makes a good point. what was the point of making it a challenge of surviving for 15 minutes if they just planned to kill him with a 60 from the very beginning? it was kinda pathetic tbh.
Heres the thing . Summit just ruined great content , now they won’t do something like this again because of all the hate summits sent
I thought it was great content until a 60 jumped in and showed there was no chance of him getting out of this. He took on multiple higher levels. No 37 is beating a 60.
@@moforyguy6803 guys, we found a summit viewer. did you even watch the video and hear what soda said?
@@moforyguy6803 The thing is he wasn't ever supposed to survive really. The guy cheated
@@HeK.sodas a jackass lmao. He don’t gaf. Give that man your money.
@@heathfeath9411the thing is, Soda said he could survive. Have a spine and delete the character and don’t tell him he has a “chance”
Summit contradicts himself cus he says he's fine with the punishment not being a gkick, but Sequisha most likely dying in the arena or having to delete his character. Summit goes and says that 60 hrs are ripped from the guy, but thats exactly what was supposed to happen initially.
wtf is summit talkin about , i really dont get his argument, dude is jus fuckin envious
Na summits right.
Summit doesn't see that any casual being punished would have died to the first guy
summit used to be based and chill, you never saw the ego really
He still is, he just thinks the punishment is too much. Which is fair, if soda would have made him strip all his gear, vendor it and delete his gold. That'd been enough content and punishment. But Summit values the time invested into the characters more than soda.
@@imyournme6632 You are an equal idiot to Summit dude. The guy literally cheated and if he valued his hours he wouldn't have cheated. It was literally made clear before the servers even launched that cheating will come at a SEVERE Fucking punishment, like how dumb and dense are you guys.
I mean if you get a VAC you’re permanently banned. No one cares how many hours you put in.
The actual „sentence“ agreed upon beforehand was a gkick.
This was lenient.
@@imyournme6632 but soda gave seq the choice to leave the guild or take a cowards debuff. Seq then chose to do the arena, in fact he was more then ready to doing it even though he was told that he was most likely going to die. If summit has to be mad at someone, it’s probably seq for making a decision that didn’t line in with his ideals.
I'm not sure how you watch this clip and think that summit is the one with the ego. Soda called summit, tells him that his OPINION is wrong, pretends like he doesn't understand where summit is coming from, then doubles down at the end and rubs it in summits face about what zeroji did..... Summit is just saying that its not cool to waste 60 hours of someone's life, it's someone with an ego that wouldn't have a problem doing that.
after watching the first clip of accusing the cheater. i honestly agree with summit. it was 3 gold he coulda just gave it away. and he didnt even mean to cheat.
Wrong it was intentional he has to turn the addon off to cheat and he did.
@ either way its 3 gold u can legit do any profession for 30 minutes to get 3 gold, i guess its not that big a deal since hes a streamer and soda just gave him more time for content. but i think sum being mad is valid.
summit has a fair point he understands peoples time and knows what respect is.
The cheaters don't get respect anymore if they are caught. The hours mean nothing if you cheat.
peoples time? They are streamers mate. Summit have been dropping back to back 12 hour streams leveling his warrior. They are all sweats and what respect has he been showing Zeroji throughout this? Dude is clearly on a T-break with those moodswings he has going on. He was whining about people driving slow in the left lane for half an hour a few days ago
I haven't played WoW in 5 years, but I happened to stumble upon this drama. Here are the facts for anyone catching up:
---This was a punishment for cheating. The intent - keyword "intent" - was to bank alt his items in the auction house. Those actions are not allowed, and a strict punishment for cheating was delivered.
---The original punishment was to delete the character immediately. An alternative punishment was pitched to delete all items and carry the 3 day Cower debuff. But then, the Gurubashi Arena was pitched.
---This was not a challenge. The alternative punishment was not meant to be fair. It was meant set the example to not cheat.
---Sodapoppin did say he did not want punishments to farm content.
---Sodapoppin's reinforcement of the rules and his opinion have been agreed on by the majority, while Summit's opinion is agreed on by the minority. (Based on multiple platforms)
Adding two opinions:
---While Sodapoppin did not want this punishment to be for content, the alternative punishment was decided on the spot. It turned a disheartening scenario into something with a little fun to lighten the mood. I think this was better. I do believe this was the best decision because it respected the person who spends a lot of time playing, but still reinforced the rules to never cheat. I don't see this scenario occurring again for others can farm content.
---I feel Summit is trying to reinforce his opinion by not caring about other's opinion, saying (using his words here) "I'm not a hivemind" and "I don't give a shit about what other people think". Summit is right that he can have an opinion. Same with Sodapoppin. They both tried to justify their reasoning, and neither opinion changed.
---Summit is expressing his opinion while not caring about others' opinions. In addition, he is trying to convince someone that he is right. Especially since his opinion is agreed by the minority, it will obviously create more tension for Summit, and will make it harder for hisself if he continues to push his unpopular opinion.
In the end, what was done has been done. I'm confident Sodapoppin and Summit will talk again. This is just drama combined with strong opinions.
9:08 zeroji didnt take shit from him, he did it to himself, he cheated. people worried about the wrong fuckin thing
Summits right. He is allowed his own opinions
Dude is lucky he wasnt banned from partaking.
Dude says "You take away 60hrs like its nothing" like he doesn't stream for an average of 14hrs a day. Brother, putting in that time is your JOB as a streamer
Soda said cheaters would be kicked from the guild but didn't kick Sequisha. Soda lied.
Soda said content wouldn't be made from cheaters. He made Sequisha do an arena event for his survival as a cheater. Soda lied.
Soda said the cheater had a chance to survive the arena content if he lasted 10 minutes. Then went back on the deal after a meeting with the other Troll's and had Zeroji make sure he died. Giving your word, then going back on it makes you a liar.
Why is everyone hating on Summit1G because Soda keeps lying? If Soda had just stuck to the rules, none of this drama would have happened.
You think Summit wouldn’t be mad if the guy just got kicked? Cuz there is a clip of Summit bitching about the guy potentially getting kicked after the hours out in. Defending a CHEATER. Also think Rome and gladiators. The moment I heard arena for ten minutes, I knew that he wouldn’t leave the arena alive.
Not failed RP apso because, imagine Zeroji not being 60 but being the strongest troll in his clan.
You can hear it in Summits voice, he knows he's wrong, once Soda clarified that it was a group choice and Zeroji was "pushed" to go in by pretty much everyone and he did, once that was clear Summit just decided to double down knowing he's wrong to dislike the guy for it.
Sequesha broke the rules, his punishment was death, it could have been boring and have him just jump off Thunder Bluff, instead the entire guild got content he lasted for a while in the Arena, and then it was ended by Zeroji the best person for the job as the strongest in the guild. If anything that ending makes the most sense because the punishment was what it was supposed to be, one level 60 or one hundred level 25-30's, irrelevant.
Imagine Zeroji didnt kill him and half of the guild would´ve jumped in.. he saved many chars this day.
@@RololoTheOneAndOnly I wonder if Summit would be bitching about it if that's how it went down, he considers it "unfair" because Zeroji is a sweat and level 60, but surely it'd be just as unfair if 100+ characters dogpiled him.
Summit not wrong for having an opinion, way to make more content about the dude having an opinion 😂
People like this are the reason why some of the best guilds fell apart because of stupid drama
Latest developments: everyone quitting hardcore/only fangs to go back to their respected games..
Summit is gonna get out real soon lmao, insane ego
you were probably one of the 20k soda fanboys crying in sums chat weren't you
@@FriedrichMeier0 You must not watch Summit at all if you dont see that this is normal summit. Summit cant ever be wrong and every argument ends in "agree to disagree".
I like Summit and Sequisha alot, but this made zero sense to me lol. I cant think of a better way to deal with a cheater; being nice enough to giv Seq another chance wasn't even mandatory and then creating a spectacle out of the character death. Well handled Soda and I have a feeling it might take a few days, but Summit will come around.
Little drama spices things up, but it getting personal is pretty sad.
Why wasn't he banned like what was said was going to be done by Soda? NO SURPRISE he wasn't, content and all. Lost my respect for SOda 100% now. When you break your own word, you're worthless imo
L Summit -1 fan. Can't believe he's going all out defending cheating, after even showing the cheater lenience.
Has your brain fully developed?
Summits just upset that sequishas chance of surviving his punishment was completely taken away once the level 60 jumped in.
He's not wrong but move tf on.
He shouldn't have had any chance. he cheated.
Maybe thats the problem, he actually believed that Seq had a chance to survive. I find it hilarious that everyone but Summit was actually getting involved into the whole thing. The Trolls were sending in Zeroji to make sure he didn't, the Undead were plotting to send people in to stop Zeroji and the Trolls from killing him. Maybe if Summit tried to actually get involved with the guild he wouldn't be so left out of the loop.
He’s not wrong but don’t hurl personal insults at people
there should be no chance of survival dude is a cheater he's alr lucky to not get gkicked
Is that bald guy know that cheating is 0 tolerance?
I'm totally not shocked by Summit response. I've seen hom crash out like that so many times years ago.
soda sounds so condescending all the time when he talks
That's how weak men in positions of "power" behave.
Think of the alternatives Summit is asking for in a PUNISHMENT FOR CHEATING
1. Hes asking for innocent guildies with 30-40 level characters with 100+ hours put in to go in and very plausibly die in a content event which is suppose to PUNISH a cheater, not them
2. If not, hes asking for enough 30-40 level characters to go in that they'd safely kill the guy anyways, making it essentially the same as sending a lvl 60
3. If not, hes asking the nullify the punishment due to no one wanting to go in and risk losing their character
“He WaS tOlD tO dO iT” is such a lazy cop out.
I love summit but GTARP has him on that life support brain.
summit is such a whiny ass kid lmao. hes clearly jealous
Hahahaha imagine defending the breaking of rules, and blaming the enforcer. This hurts my brain.
Summit is right and Soda is losing it
Notice how when summit makes fair points and opinions it leads to sodapoopin saying I guess we just move you out of the guild. He can’t even stand to talk someone with a differing opinion!
Sodapoppin trying to understand OmegaKaren rant that got called by the manager LMFAO