The whole fail RP thing is funny too because it's definitely completely lore accurate RP. If you dishonor the horde, you die. They'd put you in an arena, and everyone would watch you get killed to make an example. There is no "fair shake." The dude cheated, he brought dishonor to the horde, and his race. He dies. Great RP.
@zao9256 personally I would see it as a badge of honor. It took the lvl 60 to finally put me down. It is what it is could it have been handled a different way? Sure but it happened the way it happened
Summit completely lost sight of the plot. Forgot that this wasn't some honorable duel, this was punishment for a CHEATER. What the heck does "casual" or "sweaty" have to do with this in any way?
That and the fact Sequisha really isn't a casual... Not sure where Summit got the dislike for "sweaty" players from, so no clue what really offended him this much. I've watched Sum for a long time and thought with his experience from GTA RP and chat hoppers, he would have more awareness about sending hate towards another streamer, especially a small one... Big lapse in judgement, maybe he was too blazed to have a clear opinion
I completely agree. They could have announced Sequisha to just kill his character by fall damage or finding an NPC executioner to deal the killing blow. But instead they decided that the rest of the server should be his judge and executioner. It was never meant to be a fair fight nor a possible redeeming arc, he cheated and had to pay the price. And having a character killed over a gkick is fair, if it can set the example for everybody to not do anything like that again. Alternatively they could have used a mak’gora with no option to fight back. It would end in the same way, death to the cheater. Summit just didn’t get the full picture as it was decided very fast and executed immediately.
@@jentachs wrong, being Wet is a state of being. Water is constantly within this state of being. Water is indeed Wet, and something soaked in water is also Wet as that *something* is now in the same state of being as the water.
How is this getting turned on Soda? lmao. He went into call and told Sequiesha to delete his character but Seq guilt tripped Soda hard and Soda folded. Soda shouldn't have done that, but this was about Soda feeling bad mostly. We see how being nice turned out though so hopefully he's harsher next time.
I don't see it as drama when he intentionally cheated turned off the add-on done . Ppl that are mad need to get over it and if soda didn't punish him more would do it. IT WAS CLEARLY STATED AT THE START DO NOT TURN OFF THE ADDON. summit and sardaco need to get it off their high horse. Also summit also complains GTA, rust, wow
Not quite sure about the comments about "Soda looks like an executioner" Yea... No shit. The dude blatantly broke the rules, and he didn't even try and hide it. I would bet that stream feels INCREDIBLY lucky to not be removed because this is good content for them.
The situation was handled poorly, you don't go from "delete you char bro" to "ok if you survive arena for 10 minutes you can live" then ensure he dies anyway in the lamest way possible which also puts more guildies at risk of dying. Not to mention Soda wasn't even paying attention to the cheating he acted like it was minor. It had nothing to do with cheating for bag space he clearly had sales in his mail. If it were for space you'd list stuff then instant cancel and just leave it in mail and even that probably breaks the rules.
@@oscarolsson5633 when he was arguing with soda saying he understands his logic to held the arena event but soda couldn't understand summit logic for the hate on zeroji, literally no one except his viewer at the time could not understand his reason. Sequisha was dead the moment he entered the arena. He didn't stand a chance. Zeroji dealt the final blow made no difference in my opinion. Bro got angry for all the wrong reason
@@oscarolsson5633 If he was dead the moment he turned the addon off why did Soda give him the option of getting the debuff and deleting his gear. If he was dead anyways why say "live for 10 minutes" and not "fight to the death." A bit misleading on soda's part if that's the case. Summit was angry because they made it seem like sequisha had an OPTION to live. Be that through debuff or pvp skill. That didn't matter when the 60 jumped in.
I love Summit but he always gets triggered in events were they invite pro players with casuals, I think this just hit that nerve and homeboy stopped thinking straight.
If it was just for bag space he would have posted it and cancelled the auctions. So it instantly would have gone back to the mailbox. How has everyone forgotten that? He was lying.
Thinking the same, if he really just did it for bag space he would have sent it to a alt, no? Really sounds more like a hasty excuse for getting caught
The level of cheating doesn't really matter. Dude was either gonna be exiled from the guild or deleted to go again. At least this way, we got some content out of it.
The fact that he didnt get told off harder for it is kinda bad. He deserved to lose his character for this. He CLEARLY made gold from this, and SOLD items. Turned off a MANDATORY addon, and people dont think he should be punished ? Edit: Summit is a giant baby, with a really shit take.
@@zao9256 1) "You folks" how do you know? Most people neither have them nor can they afford them. 2) There's a difference between using something that is officially part of the game and setting up a specific set of rules only to then break said rules. You might argue that petris are against the spirit of HC but they're not cheating bc there is no rule that says no petris allowed, plain and simple. It's like boosting. You don't have to like it (I certainly don't) but calling it cheating is simply intellectually dishonest. Same principle.
Rules are in place so people don’t get carried with fiery enchants etc etc. If you’re mad about petris then I promise you should feel the same about the AH lmfao
At the start it seemed kinda legit, but when it was explained that all of the trolls decided on this, and that Sequisha actually is not a casual andy at all. At that point Summit should have said "fair enough, these are the facts and I apologise". But he continued, so that tells us either he's creating artificial drama or...he's not very smart.
Saying that "you are deleting 60 hours of his progress" is wild as if he didn't know beforehand that cheating = ban. He willingly deleted his own hours by doing that, and got caught. 0 sympathy for cheaters, you cheat - you have it coming.
Exactly like it’s not unfair that a level 60 killed him cuz it was unfair that he sold on the auction house. It was unfair he wasn’t /Gkicked and he was lucky they wanted content. Like come on
Not only that, but the dude got to be the center of attention for content that was ultimately pretty cool. Zeroji jumping in for the kill is obviously less cool than the cheater fighting it out for longer, but the fact that Summit blew this up over the cheater not getting a "fair" enough fight is so hilariously stupid and childish.
So when only BIG Streamers got send 4x 10 slots bags by Onlybags and having 40 slots in not cheating ? When Tyler1 getting Maild 4 bags 1h after he makes his new chars is not cheating? while ''little streamers like Sequisha dont get free bags ?
Soda made it sound like he was doing him a favor by giving him a chance to fight in the arena. It was still essentially "delete your character" but with extra steps. But on a more serious note, the fact that he didn't get kicked will make it hard to enforce a gkick in future cases. They'll definitely appeal for a character deletion and relevel or do something else than get kicked out and use this exception as a precedent. Add in the fact that it wasn't soda's idea to do the arena thing, more people are gonna suggest alternatives whenever they get caught cheating or they're gonna ask for exceptions if they die.
it's garbage that he wasn't kicked from the guild entirely, very obvious blatant outright cheating onlyfangs didn't survive its very first test of integrity, insanely weak stuff
@@9BallBory i dont know him personally (neither do you) so neither of us can speak to his INTENT behind his words, but i can speak to the CONTENT of his words
Singeling out zeroji for this when he went in on behalf of the trolls is so sad to see. The guy cheated, he had it all coming. Hating on zeroji for basically following troll orders (peer pressure) is like trashing a service worker for following work policy (not a waterproof analogy but you get my point).
When i frist had to fire someone i made this mistake, it makes the whole situation that much worse. Now ive learned to be firm and direct. Dont drag it out. Dont give leeway. Dont make promises. He felt bad doing it to Sequisha im sure.
Naw he was very direct and to the point, just upgraded the punishment. If he had more time maybe a level 40 cap to enter if in guild, but it happened as it happened. Was funny and good, will be seen as a highlight of the whole challenge.
Its like he doesn't understand that the entire point of putting him in there was so he would die in an interesting way instead of just jumping off a cliff. He was dead as soon as his PVP flag turned on, it was just a matter of when. Be mad about Soda farming it for content when he said he wouldn't, that's fine, but to act like this was some indecency because he couldn't ACTUALLY fight his way out is stupid.
Well i think Soda just needs to also punish himself for making the decision to milk content and just move on, this will also show that everyone has to follow the rules, even Soda himself
This isn't a 1 off thing with Summit. He always gets really invested in a game and then goes on a long marathon session that ends with him being frustrated and going off on a rant. I remember 1 time in GTA RP he got really frustrated he kept losing races to a guy so he went on an hour long rant about how controllers were overpowered and the only reason he lost was because the other guy was using a controller. So Summit got his gang (CG, most influential gang at the time) and they all complained to the devs about controllers. Controller racing got disabled by the devs and then Summit lost against the same guy again anyway even without controllers. After that he (And most of CG as well) quit racing and said it was shit and everyone is too sweaty. Thats just 1 example. You should see his crazy rants about Tarkov being a shit game every time he dies as well. He's cool overall but sometimes he gets waaay too invested in what he's playing.
I feel like soda did a poor job asking the right questions when he talked to summit. Clearly summit has a focus on the level gap and appears to be thinking zeroji should have personally made the decision against the race and guild leader on what needs to be done. I can only guess what summit thinks, but the questions I would have asked would be in the line of: "so you're saying someone of the same level should have risked their character just for a chance to carry out what is meant to be a punishment to someone for cheating" or "so you think zeroji should have personally decided to have some morale authority where he decides to say it's not honorable to kill someone of a lower level, even if this action is meant as a measure of upkeeping the integrity of the guild?" I think it's extremely valid to criticize soda for "making it into content" after explicitly saying cheating wouldn't be made into content. Furthermore there are some other hypothetical scenarios we could think about to figure out why everyone feels the way they do. Would the same have happened if some "nobody" had cheated or would they have just been guild kicked right away? What if sequisha also happened to be a level 60 (or close) at that point? Would the punishment have been different because at that point it would have been way less likely for anyone to take a fight, with much greater chance of just getting away with it?
Crazy that Summit is mad about a level 60 just instantly killing him and taking 60 hours away from Sequisha, but those 60 hours were going to be taken ANYWAY, no matter how he died. That was his punishment. But if Sequisha HAD somehow survived and won the fight, or even killed just ONE other person, this argument would be completely opposite saying "A cheater shouldn't have even had a chance to not be punished" and "Why did X character have to die for Sequisha's punishment". It's a lose/lose for Soda/Zeroji, which sucks. EDIT: I was just listening to the video at first, but after rewatching I see that he DID actually get a couple people killed in the arena, which sucks. Should have just had him restart, no event or anything.
People that are upset are on some strong Copimum. There is no world where he was walking out of there alive. The entire point was for him to die and start over. People angry over nothing for people they don’t even know.
The problem is Thomas claimed he'd take cheating seriously and not make content out of it. Now people are rightfully salty towards Zeroji, Thomas and others. He should've just kicked him from the guild.
@@zao9256 he knew he was dead lol. Everyone knew it. They just made content out of it. He literally said "I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier" after he died.
Ur dumb no one was expecting him to live regardless but having the mega sweat max lvl come in and one shot him was lame was fun and cool to watch when it was people around the same lvl holding the cheater accountable. Was a scummy move no denying that
It's so easy not to cheat a set of rules, especially when you have an add-on that constantly reminds you not to cheat and you have to willingly disable it to cheat. These people are so weak minded and can't follow simple instructions, I'd hate to be friends with these kind of people who will be shady in something as casual as a video game.
Honestly if I was Soda I would have to tell Summit to get his act together or he's kicked from the guild. This is not acceptable behavior for any guild let alone for a streamer with a large audience. Summit 100% knows better he just doesn't care for whatever petty reason.
Shit was awesome. Cheater dealt with in a fun way when the other option was to delete his character without the event. He wasn't using it to store his items he lied and people ate it up. Summits brain is obviously fried.
thats the point. if people get bored of playing they can just cheat and know they are going to get a big event to promote themselves. thats why they shouldnt do events
@@markc6113well that's not always true, Soda has final say no matter how much a cheater cries. If he doesn't want an event in the future he can just Gkick and ignore them.
It wasn't an execution it became one in really underhanded way. Soda said if he lived for 10 minutes he could keep the character. Theres no control over a random 60 coming in and that would be fair game but after what was said letting a level 60 guildie ensure he dies is lame af regardless of cheating. I'm not saying he should've been able to keep the character he probably should've been made to delete it from the start or just gotten kicked. But Soda then created this situation and gave him a lifeline. Killing low levels is lame at the best of times but in a scenario like this where he might have actually survived having a level 60 guildie go in is the most pathetic outcome possible. Everybody giving them shit for it wouldn't have complained at all if he just got kicked, its the really scummy way this alternative went down people hate. Also he was lying anyway he should definitely have gotten kicked. It literally says auction successful. Why wouldn't he just list something then cancel the auction and leave it in mail?
Soda shouldn't have entertained his points so much, all he had to just keep saying was "He cheated and your right, I should have just gkicked him", anything else was just pointless fluff to the conversation. Soda did him a favor by letting him stay and by turning this into content that almost certainly increased his viewership that day, but in the end the guy cheated and this was a punishment not an opportunity.
@@gantref9202 All I would of told summit at beginning is "give me one reason I should give any shits about his precious hours when he cared about them the least by going out of his way purposely to cheat"
I don't even get his excuse honestly. If he was just using the AH for a bank, it would say auction cancelled not successful. it's hard listening to them bicker back and forth about the death though. dude was scheduled to die. they're so hyper focused on "content" the fact a sweaty 60 or a random guy died doesn't even matter. dude had to die
If youre talking about the guy at 10:50, that was Fyzicul. Hes an RP'er, plays gta a lot. He doesnt stream a lot but hes levelling with biotox and Garek who do stream. Theyre all RPing their characters in discord
5/7 of that first page mail box was successful auctions. Not expired or canceled, dude cheated and then lied about it too. It ended up being good content and was fun to watch. Only way of it being better would of been if more undead showed up and jumped in risking a race war.
Entire drama sequence relevant: You can't cheat > Cheats knowingly > Tries to exploit Soda's boundaries saying: It's a little extreme > Knows damn well if soda doesn't back up what he said it would turn into a drama of preferential treatment > Miz exploiting cheater for content (brilliant) > Murder of a dead man > Summit1G trying to make it about himself because every game needs a rage point to make it about himself losing the initial plot completely and doesn't care if he follows the moral of the story saying it's just his opinion and doesn't wanna start drama while voicing he wants to start drama by verbally wanting to attack zeroji in guild verbally and promps chat if he should actively pushing the hate. (we call this delusional). > Shroud shilling for Summit1G with the most out of touch comment (Classic shroud) saying: "soda doesn't understand where hes coming from" Shroud.. everyone understood. > T1 simply being based: Sentiment (get fookd loser don't cheat lol) TLDR: if you cheat and the punishment was death, there's no moral highground, you're betraying the trust of everyone that signed the form, justice was served that day no matter by whom's hand.
he cheated, getting a 0.0001% opportunity to continue his character is already too much. everyone crying about it is plain dumb. He can even continue taking part of onlyfangs when he should have been kicked
The summit stuff is pathetic. He keeps yapping about RP; a member of the horde dishonors themself and is given the punishment of surviving 10 minutes in the arena. This is not about giving them a fair shot, it’s about giving anyone who wants to punish the dishonorable act an opportunity to do so. Zeroji watched members of the horde try and fail to doll out justice, but when they failed he stepped in. What an absolute dork to table flip on this event and make it personal. Summit should log off.
the main point is that the dude was meant to kill his character the whole time. there was no "fair chance" to give because his character was always supposed to die. like end of discussion. summit isnt understanding and from the beginning hes been complaining about the guild anyway so hes just looking for things to be mad about at this point.
He willingly cheated and tried to hide it, he’s lucky he didn’t get banned from participating; the fact that there’s any controversy about this is wild
Holy hell summit is a special snowflake, imagine making something that shouldn’t even be a argument into a argument, acting ignorant to the mass hate he is sending someone else’s way, while at the same time dying on the most smallest petty hill I have even seen.
Im really trying to strong arm summits argument in my head, maybe he just doesnt understand that Soda is playing two roles, hes playing Admin/GM taking care of all back end items outside of wow, and he is also trying to have fun and RP as a Troll? Sequishas chara was dead the moment he cheated. So Admin Soda gave out a punishment instead of a gkick. Lucky sequisha. Now the punishment has been decided, the RP Soda, was with the Trolls and the Trolls collectively did RP to have the 60 execute sequishas character. Is he pissed at soda because he wasnt seperating admin from RP?
@@zao9256 LOL imagine caring about what some idiot streamer does in wow. You know they aren't your friends, right? You know when the camera is off they talk about how pathetic you all are, right?🤣🤣🤣
Honestly Soda should have just Gkick him. Not because what he did was super bad but just to be strict with the rules. It was the same argument with all of this was about to start. Self Found would prevent all cheating. And the moment you give people the opportunity to cheat they will. Don't get me wrong I understand for the content but if they start pulling back it will just become a lose lose for the guild because people are just going to expect this to turn right back into the mess the original onlyfangs was. Small edit: the second half of the video proves my point. Instead of seeing it the way Guzu does, the undead that are mad about this are what I mean. Soda sent Sequisha to die. Not a second change but to die. If anything I give props to Seroji for doing what needed to be done.
lol at all the people in guzu chat pointing out he has 20G at lvl 35. That's normal amount if you aren't buying stuff and can't have a bank alt. Can easily have more than that even.
@@bobdooley1864 what i said literally has nothing to do with any streamer and is just a comment on how fast you make gold in classic wow compared to your level. I have no idea why you decided to say this to me and not someone else.
This format is sweaty for casuals but casual for sweats. It's why both can exist and play in this space. No other hardcore format of a game really does this and no RP format in another game does this. This is uncharted territory. Summit has a solid point in the fact that this is fail RP. But it's not on zeroji, this is on Soda. And it's part of the danger of making cheating into content. You either set up the event for a fighting chance or you don't. If you want to execute him, execute him. But sending in zeroji was just an RP fail. Ruined a really cool idea and event. Or at least robbed it of a better RP ending. Seq was about to die, he really should have just let him die on his own, and by sending in zeroji to finish him, it steals the valor there "for the trolls." It's bullshit and bad RP. Summit is taking it too seriously, that's for sure. But for Soda to say he wasn't getting out alive after telling Seq he wants him to survive? Nah, Soda straight up lied to Seq hahaha. But Seq did cheat, it is what it is, he's lucky he didn't get kicked in the end which would be a lot worse than being executed in this or any fashion.
I don't like Soda, so I admit I'm biased against him, but I def agree with his take over Summits take. Summit kept waffling between being mad that Zeroji stepped into the arena, and mad that 60 hours was taken away from the cheater. Like Guzu said, this was not a duel but rather an execution. And Soda is right about others not wanting to risk their characters. If I was in OF and around the cheaters level, I wouldn't want to risk my character because HE cheated and needs to die. All that being said, I think this should have been avoided altogether and I was pretty heated when I heard that the guy didn't get kicked out of the guild and Soda broke his promise to do so.
Should've confronted, got a confirmation, then told he's out of the guild and the Discord, both kicks. Soda altered his own rules because Miskif wanted content. The voice chat afterwards was obnoxious as I watched it initially. Cause drama, get kicked. No exceptions.
I honestly didn't like the fact a lvl 60 jumped in to kill the Guy. But the reason is simply that he was told he had a chance to make it if he completes this challange. But it was never a challange to begin with since they had a lvl 60 executioner waiting at the top of the ramp to make sure he can't win. For me personally, that kinda sours what was a pretty cool event. Either way, no reason to get overly angry =D
Saquisha was about to kill a mage that had like 20% hp and 2 warriors jumped in and 5 sec later zeroji jumped in. No1 even talk about the fact that the mage was saved due to that. Gurubashi arena isn't about honor, valor or fairness. It's a rat trap designed for snake activities and every1 has free will to do what they want. To single out zeroji is wild. There were level 50s on that server and guaranteed hundreds of 40+s. Every1 is watching one of these onlyfangs streams. Dude was gonna die one way or another he wasn't coming out of it alive. Those 2 warriors would have spanked him. A random would have spanked him. Dude is an idiot for getting mad at the 60 guy for jumping in. Every day on hc and normal era servers there is a twink or a low/mid level who jumps in arena to grab a chest and a 60 rogue always kills the person. With or without the consent and demand from the trolls zeroji is a free man to do what he want. If any1 is a snake it's the dude who turned off his fucken addon to cheat and bring disgrace to the leader of onlyfangs and the guild as a whole.
Me when I started watching Guzu a year or more ago: what a wholesome streamer Guzu after streaming WoW for a year: 23:36 It was NEVER stated as an execution. It was stated as "you have to stand on the Gurubashi arena for 10 minutes and the server will decide your fate". It was clearly intended as a "you have a chance if the server decides so". But quite quickly Soda realized: "I am the server" lmao I don't see that there's anything wrong with making a cheater kill their character for cheating. But once you make a decision, you stick to it. If you decided to turn into a content and give the perpetrator a chance, you do that, you don't turn into Darth Sodius within 5 minutes.
The fact that some people are upset that Zerojii jumped in and killed him when the other option was literally getting banned from the most content Sequisha has ever had, is crazy. The price of Sequisha's cheating was straight up death of the character from the jump, they spared him losing out on content. Sequisha is LUCKY they didn't kick him, he got a 20k viewer buff from the whole thing. Everyone needs to settle down. Also, the fact that sequisha is straight up doubling down and lying (he absolutely profited from the AH bigtime, wasn't just bag space) is crazy work. People like that are gross, don't be a weasel or a child, just own up to your mistake and move on.
Drinking game for the weekend: Listen to the entire call between Soda and Summit. Take a shot every time someone said "Brother" or "Sweatiest Guy". Before you start, write a message for the first responders/E.R. Crew.
It's also hilarious that Summit calls Zeroji the "sweatiest" guy on the server. Yes he's definitely a sweat, but he only got first 60 because the actual racers all died
Summit being cringe as fk and personally attacking Zeroji is insane to me. Sequisha cheated, he should have been kicked from the guild in my mind since the rules were clearly stated from the beginning. Sequisha got off easy.
1) You could killed him without bringing 60 EASILY. 2) You promised him he can fight his way out. 3) Your rules are joke when you same people use petris but whine about not using mailbox. So in the end Zeroji was indeed coward, he would never have guts to go arena to fight 60.
@@zao9256it was spur of the moment who gives a fuck lmao. Ontop of that he made a huge amount of money/views for cheating it’s a win overall for everybody
@@zao9256 Your second point is not true he said let the server decide he never said it would be fair. They decided to get a level 60 assassin to kill Sequisha that's how it goes.
@@zao9256that 60 jumped in the ring just like EVERY other person on the server had the option to. How was the fact he could fight it out not true?? It's understated anyone could go and kill him so why should Zeroji be excluded?
I think the drama could have been avoided if they didn't word it like they were gonna give him a fair-ish shot at it. Like Miz/Soda could have easily said "the level 60 can jump in" from the get go, vs. "hey survive 15 mins and you're forgiven" without mentioning the fact that they coordinated the lvl 60 jumping in. Personally, imo content wise it'd have been more entertaining to see "fair" fights (level wise), and no one would be bitching about the guild sending in a lvl 60. It'd have been win/win. Also to edit: the only reason I think it's unfair is due to Soda's own wording. "Let the server decide". He didn't say let the guild or trolls decide. That said, I actually think the idea was fantastic/personally I wouldn't mind seeing more of the "cheater has to live through the arena if he wants to keep his character" .. 👀
The point was for him to die, they were just gonna make him delete the character and restart anyways. So then why should people with equal level characters jump in to try and kill him only to risk all their progress that they didn’t even cheat for? Zeroji jumping in near the end and executing him was the best option at that point. Besides we already got good entertainment from it as he fought like 3 or 4 dudes in there already for like 7 minutes before Zeroji jumped in, it’s not like he just executed him right away without even giving him some equal fights beforehand.
@@zao9256 The undead said they were going to jump in and kill Zeroji if he jumped in, they had almost a full raid they would have killed him but they chickened out...
@@snandrew6094 Yeah no I get that, it's just why front it as giving him a chance to not die/"let the server decide" when really he just let the troll team/Vei decide? Like we all saw the vid, he was gonna die vs the lock, esp when the other two(?) jumped in. He was oom, it was a 3v1/3v2 if the rogue hopped in. Sending in the 60 was unnecessary and just a bad look given the wording (all my opinion, not saying it's a fact).
I thought it was a cool idea, that people killing him could die themselves. But the lame part was that pretty much the only people attacking him were grouped up. It was pretty much just sequisha infront of a firing squad.
@@whatever-w5n you could search for "tyler1 reacts to sodapoppin summit drama", which I did rn to get it word for word for you. "ok he played 60 hours, but he cheated. who gives a fk"
So, what i'm taking is that if you allow the guy to "survive" for 10 minutes in the arena, then you swarm him (cheater or not) you have rigged the gamed he agreed with. Basically it was just farming content with an outcome already destined. That's why it bothered people i guess.
they should have kicked him from the guild, because thats what soda said he was gonna do with cheaters and thats what he wouldve done if it were anyone else, but since its his friend he gets a slap on the wrist and gets to make content out of it
Summit really sappin all the fun out of the event. I'm actually watching the streams from time to time because of it. Does he not get how to improv around Rp events even when they don't go the way he wants? Bro needs to elevate his content.
The thing that blows my mind is the origional decision was just to kill him out right, so there is no difference between him getting killed by a lvl 60 or just getting his character killed before they decided Gurabashi arean either way he was going to die!
Soda said after 10 minutes, if he was still alive he gets to walk...why would he say that, imply it's a duel and then rig it. Soda said he wasn't gonna use cheating as content and he should have stuck with it.
Completely with Summit on this one, was great for as long as people around his level jumped in, and his own race tried to help him.. As soon as Zeroji jumped in and finished it off, the fun content went to being complete BS execution with no excitement.
Why is that dude so butthurt about this execution not being an honorable duel instead? Why did he even expect that this would be an honorable duel????? This makes 0 sense. Of course this was gonna be an execution. Honor was gone when the guy cheated. Yet he would demand the cheater to get an honorable duel anyways?
the "storage" arguement is bollocks. Getting sold a boe shield and that many jades. ANY ssf person would have sold/already DE'd that shield. He even had more pages in his mailbox(you can see the next arrow is highlighted, meaning there are more pages).
I might be in the minority here, but i slightly agree more with Summit on this and theres a few reasons why. For the 1st reason; as soon as Soda and Miz decided to make it an "event" where the server would decide his fate, it should have stayed like that, when the trolls decided to send in Zeroji it was like a rigged fight, like no point in the event, - Sure could argue it was an execution, but then dont tell all the viewers the server is gonna decide, when they are not, and pretend like he had a fighting chance... 2nd reason is, Soda went back on his word of no content out of cheating, personally, knowing the outcome, i would much rather have Sequisha just delete his character instead, as i think Soda's word just lost a little credibility 3rd is, theyre pitting the guild against eachother, in a much worse way than the "racism" from the points. Imo the guild should have stayed out of this as drama was bound to happen if they didnt. If they wanted execution, they should have had the undead leader execute him in a makgora. Now where i ABSOLUTELY DO NOT agree with Summit is how he is talking about Zeroji, this wasnt his idea or plan, but the trolls as a race and he is just spreading unnecessary hate. Sure Zeroji could just have said "no" and left, but he did it for the RP, they decided on within the race. All in all i just think it was a good idea, but executed very poorly...
This + Duo saying on stream that Pops should get cancer and die after claiming Pops was the reason he died but it was actually because Duo pulled a mob after everybody was hearthing out after completing their dungeon are big red flags that the trolls are scummy af and should be punished.
I also thought he might have died if Zeroji didnt come at that moment - there was still 5 minutes left - might have spared some drama. It couldve been more transparent, that he will die anyway, but that's hard in the stressfull situation. I liked the community part of it (even though I found the trolls building a lynch mob a little bit too tense for my feeling but it fit the roleplay and the racewars) - it was amazing how many people showed up there on short notice. I like how summit is kind of calm in his voice even though i disagree with his take and i thought it might have been better to talk about it the next day or so, if it was about making it clear. doesnt work with a crowd mobbing up in real life im afraid. I always find it odd that people feel offended on behalve of someone so much when noone has even seen Sequisha talk about it at that moment. Thanks for your thoughts Guzu - i think a review puts things so much more in perspective.
The whole fail RP thing is funny too because it's definitely completely lore accurate RP. If you dishonor the horde, you die. They'd put you in an arena, and everyone would watch you get killed to make an example. There is no "fair shake." The dude cheated, he brought dishonor to the horde, and his race. He dies. Great RP.
This is so true.
This is 100% correct
You dont have cringe alert from veibae?
@@zao9256 nah man she was great
I have to agree with Guzu here. It was an execution. He was not going to walk out of the arena alive whether it was a lvl 60 or not doesn't matter.
They could killed him without 60 though. Zeroji is coward
@zao9256 personally I would see it as a badge of honor. It took the lvl 60 to finally put me down. It is what it is could it have been handled a different way? Sure but it happened the way it happened
@@zao9256you’re just full of relentless stupidity, huh? How does Summit’s cock taste?
@@zao9256zeroji very well could of died by jumping in there. If like 20 people jumped in after him and all targeted zeroji he would of died.
and if he did it he would always be seen as a cheater
Summit completely lost sight of the plot. Forgot that this wasn't some honorable duel, this was punishment for a CHEATER. What the heck does "casual" or "sweaty" have to do with this in any way?
Summit is one of the biggest dummies on the internet. Also crazy toxic.
summit has lost sight of a lot of things. hes getting old and losing it slowly.
That and the fact Sequisha really isn't a casual... Not sure where Summit got the dislike for "sweaty" players from, so no clue what really offended him this much. I've watched Sum for a long time and thought with his experience from GTA RP and chat hoppers, he would have more awareness about sending hate towards another streamer, especially a small one... Big lapse in judgement, maybe he was too blazed to have a clear opinion
I completely agree. They could have announced Sequisha to just kill his character by fall damage or finding an NPC executioner to deal the killing blow. But instead they decided that the rest of the server should be his judge and executioner. It was never meant to be a fair fight nor a possible redeeming arc, he cheated and had to pay the price. And having a character killed over a gkick is fair, if it can set the example for everybody to not do anything like that again.
Alternatively they could have used a mak’gora with no option to fight back. It would end in the same way, death to the cheater.
Summit just didn’t get the full picture as it was decided very fast and executed immediately.
Content creator doesn't keep promise to not milk content. Our next segment: Water is wet.
Water is not wet but things soaked in water are wet.
@@jentachs Is water soaked in water wet?
@@jentachs wrong, being Wet is a state of being. Water is constantly within this state of being. Water is indeed Wet, and something soaked in water is also Wet as that *something* is now in the same state of being as the water.
Soda’s been milking content since his origination, anyone else remember the mercader vs soda duel?
How is this getting turned on Soda? lmao. He went into call and told Sequiesha to delete his character but Seq guilt tripped Soda hard and Soda folded. Soda shouldn't have done that, but this was about Soda feeling bad mostly. We see how being nice turned out though so hopefully he's harsher next time.
I don't see it as drama when he intentionally cheated turned off the add-on done . Ppl that are mad need to get over it and if soda didn't punish him more would do it. IT WAS CLEARLY STATED AT THE START DO NOT TURN OFF THE ADDON. summit and sardaco need to get it off their high horse. Also summit also complains GTA, rust, wow
Sardaco was just trolling
Not quite sure about the comments about "Soda looks like an executioner" Yea... No shit. The dude blatantly broke the rules, and he didn't even try and hide it. I would bet that stream feels INCREDIBLY lucky to not be removed because this is good content for them.
I would kick whole guild for using petris.
@@zao9256damn u rly cant understand the difference 😂
@@zao9256 You wouldn't do anything because you're a random summit1g crybaby who would never be in any position of power anywhere.
The situation was handled poorly, you don't go from "delete you char bro" to "ok if you survive arena for 10 minutes you can live" then ensure he dies anyway in the lamest way possible which also puts more guildies at risk of dying. Not to mention Soda wasn't even paying attention to the cheating he acted like it was minor. It had nothing to do with cheating for bag space he clearly had sales in his mail. If it were for space you'd list stuff then instant cancel and just leave it in mail and even that probably breaks the rules.
@EmpyreanDreamer it was handled poorly he should have just gotten Gkicked quietly
SOda was nice for letting him save face...
BUT HE LIED. He DID sell items... and he directly had to turn off the add-on.
What Summit doesnt understand, is that Sequisha killed himself, not Zeroji, not anyone. Such big head wasted rip
Damn man i love Summit but this is hard to listen to...
@@oscarolsson5633 when he was arguing with soda saying he understands his logic to held the arena event but soda couldn't understand summit logic for the hate on zeroji, literally no one except his viewer at the time could not understand his reason. Sequisha was dead the moment he entered the arena. He didn't stand a chance. Zeroji dealt the final blow made no difference in my opinion. Bro got angry for all the wrong reason
@@AwangKhairunnas Yeah that's what im saying, he was dead the moment he turned the addon off anyway, summit is raging for nothing.
@@oscarolsson5633 If he was dead the moment he turned the addon off why did Soda give him the option of getting the debuff and deleting his gear. If he was dead anyways why say "live for 10 minutes" and not "fight to the death." A bit misleading on soda's part if that's the case. Summit was angry because they made it seem like sequisha had an OPTION to live. Be that through debuff or pvp skill. That didn't matter when the 60 jumped in.
I love Summit but he always gets triggered in events were they invite pro players with casuals, I think this just hit that nerve and homeboy stopped thinking straight.
Executioners typically wore hoods concealing their identity for a reason, and that reason wasn't "Because it looks scary."
If it was just for bag space he would have posted it and cancelled the auctions. So it instantly would have gone back to the mailbox. How has everyone forgotten that? He was lying.
Thinking the same, if he really just did it for bag space he would have sent it to a alt, no? Really sounds more like a hasty excuse for getting caught
The auctions also say successful, which means they sold. Straight up cheating liar.
@@sirexus8819 alts aren't allowed until lv 60 per the guild rules, but yeah... either cancel auctions or send to a friend who returns
Doesn’t even matter the reason why though. Cheating is cheating. And summit is a baby bitch.
The level of cheating doesn't really matter. Dude was either gonna be exiled from the guild or deleted to go again. At least this way, we got some content out of it.
The fact that he didnt get told off harder for it is kinda bad. He deserved to lose his character for this. He CLEARLY made gold from this, and SOLD items. Turned off a MANDATORY addon, and people dont think he should be punished ? Edit: Summit is a giant baby, with a really shit take.
Meanwhile you folks use petris and pretend you are not cheating
Your dumb he did lose his character
@@zao9256
1) "You folks" how do you know? Most people neither have them nor can they afford them.
2) There's a difference between using something that is officially part of the game and setting up a specific set of rules only to then break said rules. You might argue that petris are against the spirit of HC but they're not cheating bc there is no rule that says no petris allowed, plain and simple. It's like boosting. You don't have to like it (I certainly don't) but calling it cheating is simply intellectually dishonest. Same principle.
Rules are in place so people don’t get carried with fiery enchants etc etc. If you’re mad about petris then I promise you should feel the same about the AH lmfao
@@MellonVegan exactly my thoughts
Putting him in the arena to fight as a gladiator was the most Horde thing I've seen.
I can't tell if Summit is trying to farm drama or if he's legitimately stupid.
Yeah same. He did seem upset for real.
he's trying to set a precedent for when he gets caught in his own cheating scandal
Summit goes on stupid rants fairly regularly. He is not the smartest guy out there and is pretty used to bully his way around smaller streamers.
At the start it seemed kinda legit, but when it was explained that all of the trolls decided on this, and that Sequisha actually is not a casual andy at all. At that point Summit should have said "fair enough, these are the facts and I apologise". But he continued, so that tells us either he's creating artificial drama or...he's not very smart.
He's not smart. Sub 100 IQ for sure.
Saying that "you are deleting 60 hours of his progress" is wild as if he didn't know beforehand that cheating = ban. He willingly deleted his own hours by doing that, and got caught. 0 sympathy for cheaters, you cheat - you have it coming.
Exactly like it’s not unfair that a level 60 killed him cuz it was unfair that he sold on the auction house. It was unfair he wasn’t /Gkicked and he was lucky they wanted content. Like come on
60 hours of content > 60 hours of progress.
Not only that, but the dude got to be the center of attention for content that was ultimately pretty cool. Zeroji jumping in for the kill is obviously less cool than the cheater fighting it out for longer, but the fact that Summit blew this up over the cheater not getting a "fair" enough fight is so hilariously stupid and childish.
Guys you take a 20+ years old video game way to serious haha.
So when only BIG Streamers got send 4x 10 slots bags by Onlybags and having 40 slots in not cheating ? When Tyler1 getting Maild 4 bags 1h after he makes his new chars is not cheating? while ''little streamers like Sequisha dont get free bags ?
There's a difference between "I don't have to like him" and just constantly talking shit about him or spreading hate, pretty sad from Summit imo
This most of all, thought he would know better but i guess he's just one of those "i'm not responsible for what viewers do" streamers now
It’s simple… if Soda kept his word none of this would have happened… cheating is cheating and he should have been removed
The point they're missing is zeroji is also risking his level 60 by jumping in there.
apparently he was begging people for a FAP for like 10min and wouldnt go in otherwise
Soda made it sound like he was doing him a favor by giving him a chance to fight in the arena.
It was still essentially "delete your character" but with extra steps.
But on a more serious note, the fact that he didn't get kicked will make it hard to enforce a gkick in future cases. They'll definitely appeal for a character deletion and relevel or do something else than get kicked out and use this exception as a precedent.
Add in the fact that it wasn't soda's idea to do the arena thing, more people are gonna suggest alternatives whenever they get caught cheating or they're gonna ask for exceptions if they die.
Kick Summit for being a cheater simp.
Vei being so ruthless is deeply funny when Soda is always so on the fence about the punishment
You had no cringe alert?
@@zao9256 YOU GOOD BRO?
@@yeeaahboii1634I think he has some kinda tism
@@zao9256 Cry
@@zao9256hey glup glup glup guy, go back to the echochamber thats has a cry baby to echo for.
it's garbage that he wasn't kicked from the guild entirely, very obvious blatant outright cheating
onlyfangs didn't survive its very first test of integrity, insanely weak stuff
Guzu switched from “you can’t just make cheating into content” to “just this once” immediately after Soda allowed it, lmao
Maybe he changed his mind, it happens
23:50
and if sardaco cared that much about sequisha he wouldve jumped in the arena to defend him and die side by side with him...
Brother Sardaco is joking my guy, it’s his character in the guild it’s how he is lmao
@@9BallBory i dont know him personally (neither do you) so neither of us can speak to his INTENT behind his words, but i can speak to the CONTENT of his words
Singeling out zeroji for this when he went in on behalf of the trolls is so sad to see. The guy cheated, he had it all coming. Hating on zeroji for basically following troll orders (peer pressure) is like trashing a service worker for following work policy (not a waterproof analogy but you get my point).
Sodapoppin walking back and forth between determination and indecision is hilarious
When i frist had to fire someone i made this mistake, it makes the whole situation that much worse. Now ive learned to be firm and direct. Dont drag it out. Dont give leeway. Dont make promises.
He felt bad doing it to Sequisha im sure.
Naw he was very direct and to the point, just upgraded the punishment. If he had more time maybe a level 40 cap to enter if in guild, but it happened as it happened. Was funny and good, will be seen as a highlight of the whole challenge.
@@zoltanvonbozzay9678 what lvl 40 cap? it was a punishment and not a fair 1 v 1. the guy cheated and should have been trashed by 50 people at once.
Thats not a bad thing tho, being receptive to change and being firm in decisions go hand in hand for being a good leader.
The whole summit thing genuinely feels so stupid that it should be a bit, and if it is one its not even funny. like its such a thoughtless take
Used to like the guy back in the cs days. This smooth brain word vomit made me lose all respect for him.
Its like he doesn't understand that the entire point of putting him in there was so he would die in an interesting way instead of just jumping off a cliff. He was dead as soon as his PVP flag turned on, it was just a matter of when. Be mad about Soda farming it for content when he said he wouldn't, that's fine, but to act like this was some indecency because he couldn't ACTUALLY fight his way out is stupid.
Well i think Soda just needs to also punish himself for making the decision to milk content and just move on, this will also show that everyone has to follow the rules, even Soda himself
Man i love summit but his 2hour shittalking rant was fucking sad...
Don't know Summit but now hate him like he does Zeroji seems toxic af
lol he sounds like such a stupid little baby
prob had other issues and that just triggered it
This isn't a 1 off thing with Summit. He always gets really invested in a game and then goes on a long marathon session that ends with him being frustrated and going off on a rant. I remember 1 time in GTA RP he got really frustrated he kept losing races to a guy so he went on an hour long rant about how controllers were overpowered and the only reason he lost was because the other guy was using a controller. So Summit got his gang (CG, most influential gang at the time) and they all complained to the devs about controllers. Controller racing got disabled by the devs and then Summit lost against the same guy again anyway even without controllers. After that he (And most of CG as well) quit racing and said it was shit and everyone is too sweaty. Thats just 1 example. You should see his crazy rants about Tarkov being a shit game every time he dies as well. He's cool overall but sometimes he gets waaay too invested in what he's playing.
@SomeHarryGuy Maybe he was having a bad day.. we could probably find 2hrs of you that we hate too but that's not fair I'm sure you're cool.
I feel like soda did a poor job asking the right questions when he talked to summit. Clearly summit has a focus on the level gap and appears to be thinking zeroji should have personally made the decision against the race and guild leader on what needs to be done. I can only guess what summit thinks, but the questions I would have asked would be in the line of: "so you're saying someone of the same level should have risked their character just for a chance to carry out what is meant to be a punishment to someone for cheating" or "so you think zeroji should have personally decided to have some morale authority where he decides to say it's not honorable to kill someone of a lower level, even if this action is meant as a measure of upkeeping the integrity of the guild?" I think it's extremely valid to criticize soda for "making it into content" after explicitly saying cheating wouldn't be made into content. Furthermore there are some other hypothetical scenarios we could think about to figure out why everyone feels the way they do. Would the same have happened if some "nobody" had cheated or would they have just been guild kicked right away? What if sequisha also happened to be a level 60 (or close) at that point? Would the punishment have been different because at that point it would have been way less likely for anyone to take a fight, with much greater chance of just getting away with it?
Crazy that Summit is mad about a level 60 just instantly killing him and taking 60 hours away from Sequisha, but those 60 hours were going to be taken ANYWAY, no matter how he died. That was his punishment. But if Sequisha HAD somehow survived and won the fight, or even killed just ONE other person, this argument would be completely opposite saying "A cheater shouldn't have even had a chance to not be punished" and "Why did X character have to die for Sequisha's punishment". It's a lose/lose for Soda/Zeroji, which sucks. EDIT: I was just listening to the video at first, but after rewatching I see that he DID actually get a couple people killed in the arena, which sucks. Should have just had him restart, no event or anything.
Zeroji is still puzzy
@zao9256 you really scared to say pussy
@@zao9256cringe comment
@@Jeffffferson1818 sweaty nolife oneshots lowbie. Give him medal lol
@@zao9256? In what way? It was a collective decision from the trolls to MAKE zeroji kill him. Actual weedbrain without braincells
All the people mad at zeroji don't seem to get this wasn't an honorable 1v1 it was an execution lol
People that are upset are on some strong Copimum. There is no world where he was walking out of there alive. The entire point was for him to die and start over. People angry over nothing for people they don’t even know.
The problem is Thomas claimed he'd take cheating seriously and not make content out of it. Now people are rightfully salty towards Zeroji, Thomas and others. He should've just kicked him from the guild.
So why promise him he can fight his way out?
Not to mention all the streamers constantly talk trash about the viewers who are responsible for making them rich and famous.
@@zao9256 he knew he was dead lol. Everyone knew it. They just made content out of it. He literally said "I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier" after he died.
Ur dumb no one was expecting him to live regardless but having the mega sweat max lvl come in and one shot him was lame was fun and cool to watch when it was people around the same lvl holding the cheater accountable. Was a scummy move no denying that
I find it funny that before zeroji, sequisha was being murdered by his own race.
It's so easy not to cheat a set of rules, especially when you have an add-on that constantly reminds you not to cheat and you have to willingly disable it to cheat. These people are so weak minded and can't follow simple instructions, I'd hate to be friends with these kind of people who will be shady in something as casual as a video game.
He giga cheated. The fact that Soda *considered* it minor to begin with was a mercy.
Honestly if I was Soda I would have to tell Summit to get his act together or he's kicked from the guild. This is not acceptable behavior for any guild let alone for a streamer with a large audience. Summit 100% knows better he just doesn't care for whatever petty reason.
0 IQ take from summit, its hard to listen to
Rare summit L
Typical.
Na Summit was right here. 60 hours is a lot for some of us.
@@robs6404 Don't be dumb and cheat. But somehow you dont understand that.
@@robs6404not for people getting paid to sit there and play the game. GTFO here summit dick rider.
That was definitely not using it as bag space by overpricing items so they won't sell. It clearly shows in the mail they're all "Auction Successful".
Shit was awesome. Cheater dealt with in a fun way when the other option was to delete his character without the event. He wasn't using it to store his items he lied and people ate it up. Summits brain is obviously fried.
thats the point. if people get bored of playing they can just cheat and know they are going to get a big event to promote themselves. thats why they shouldnt do events
@@markc6113well that's not always true, Soda has final say no matter how much a cheater cries.
If he doesn't want an event in the future he can just Gkick and ignore them.
It wasn't an execution it became one in really underhanded way. Soda said if he lived for 10 minutes he could keep the character. Theres no control over a random 60 coming in and that would be fair game but after what was said letting a level 60 guildie ensure he dies is lame af regardless of cheating. I'm not saying he should've been able to keep the character he probably should've been made to delete it from the start or just gotten kicked. But Soda then created this situation and gave him a lifeline. Killing low levels is lame at the best of times but in a scenario like this where he might have actually survived having a level 60 guildie go in is the most pathetic outcome possible. Everybody giving them shit for it wouldn't have complained at all if he just got kicked, its the really scummy way this alternative went down people hate.
Also he was lying anyway he should definitely have gotten kicked. It literally says auction successful. Why wouldn't he just list something then cancel the auction and leave it in mail?
I think summits perspective is completely divorced from reality, gosh I can't believe I listened to him talk so long lol
Soda shouldn't have entertained his points so much, all he had to just keep saying was "He cheated and your right, I should have just gkicked him", anything else was just pointless fluff to the conversation. Soda did him a favor by letting him stay and by turning this into content that almost certainly increased his viewership that day, but in the end the guy cheated and this was a punishment not an opportunity.
@@gantref9202 All I would of told summit at beginning is
"give me one reason I should give any shits about his precious hours when he cared about them the least by going out of his way purposely to cheat"
I don't even get his excuse honestly. If he was just using the AH for a bank, it would say auction cancelled not successful. it's hard listening to them bicker back and forth about the death though. dude was scheduled to die. they're so hyper focused on "content" the fact a sweaty 60 or a random guy died doesn't even matter. dude had to die
Dudes in their 40s faking drama in a 20 year old game…holy fuck
dude I LOVE that orc roleplayer xD his voice is perfection
If youre talking about the guy at 10:50, that was Fyzicul. Hes an RP'er, plays gta a lot. He doesnt stream a lot but hes levelling with biotox and Garek who do stream. Theyre all RPing their characters in discord
5/7 of that first page mail box was successful auctions. Not expired or canceled, dude cheated and then lied about it too. It ended up being good content and was fun to watch. Only way of it being better would of been if more undead showed up and jumped in risking a race war.
Entire drama sequence relevant:
You can't cheat >
Cheats knowingly >
Tries to exploit Soda's boundaries saying: It's a little extreme >
Knows damn well if soda doesn't back up what he said it would turn into a drama of preferential treatment >
Miz exploiting cheater for content (brilliant) >
Murder of a dead man >
Summit1G trying to make it about himself because every game needs a rage point to make it about himself losing the initial plot completely and doesn't care if he follows the moral of the story saying it's just his opinion and doesn't wanna start drama while voicing he wants to start drama by verbally wanting to attack zeroji in guild verbally and promps chat if he should actively pushing the hate. (we call this delusional). >
Shroud shilling for Summit1G with the most out of touch comment (Classic shroud) saying: "soda doesn't understand where hes coming from" Shroud.. everyone understood. >
T1 simply being based: Sentiment (get fookd loser don't cheat lol)
TLDR: if you cheat and the punishment was death, there's no moral highground, you're betraying the trust of everyone that signed the form, justice was served that day no matter by whom's hand.
The thing I dont like about it, is the cheater got the reward. They got the spotlight. That's a bad message
"but he lost 60 hours, bro!"
I dont understand how summit can say they threw away 60 hours, he threw away his own time by cheating. This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
> Summary
>40min long video.
I see we're yapping today again, aren't we. Good.
he cheated, getting a 0.0001% opportunity to continue his character is already too much. everyone crying about it is plain dumb.
He can even continue taking part of onlyfangs when he should have been kicked
i like summit, but fuck, he's being a soy asshole. Get a grip ffs
"summary" = 40 min video
"this is not about honor, the honor is already gone. this is an execution!" -guzu.
The summit stuff is pathetic. He keeps yapping about RP; a member of the horde dishonors themself and is given the punishment of surviving 10 minutes in the arena. This is not about giving them a fair shot, it’s about giving anyone who wants to punish the dishonorable act an opportunity to do so. Zeroji watched members of the horde try and fail to doll out justice, but when they failed he stepped in. What an absolute dork to table flip on this event and make it personal. Summit should log off.
the main point is that the dude was meant to kill his character the whole time. there was no "fair chance" to give because his character was always supposed to die. like end of discussion. summit isnt understanding and from the beginning hes been complaining about the guild anyway so hes just looking for things to be mad about at this point.
Those mustaches made him do it. Them are too xrated gangsta.
He willingly cheated and tried to hide it, he’s lucky he didn’t get banned from participating; the fact that there’s any controversy about this is wild
everyone should have been solo self found
Holy hell summit is a special snowflake, imagine making something that shouldn’t even be a argument into a argument, acting ignorant to the mass hate he is sending someone else’s way, while at the same time dying on the most smallest petty hill I have even seen.
Guzu the most level headed streamer in this whole drama lol
Im really trying to strong arm summits argument in my head, maybe he just doesnt understand that Soda is playing two roles, hes playing Admin/GM taking care of all back end items outside of wow, and he is also trying to have fun and RP as a Troll? Sequishas chara was dead the moment he cheated. So Admin Soda gave out a punishment instead of a gkick. Lucky sequisha. Now the punishment has been decided, the RP Soda, was with the Trolls and the Trolls collectively did RP to have the 60 execute sequishas character. Is he pissed at soda because he wasnt seperating admin from RP?
He had to turn off the addon. Obviously cheating
Yeah like petris. Kick whole guild imo.
😂 look at that dude @@zao9256
@@zao9256 Make your own guild with your own rules. Crying about how other people with their set of rules play the game is crazy ngl.
@@zao9256 LOL imagine caring about what some idiot streamer does in wow. You know they aren't your friends, right? You know when the camera is off they talk about how pathetic you all are, right?🤣🤣🤣
@@F1zzlex589he has no friends, he cant do it, thats why he hates.
summit literally asking for soda to prevent free will in RP
if its minor but a big deal then what youre doing with dafran is manipulating the mail system and cheating as well
100%
How
@@Mati-mk5wd if you're logic is bag challenge is what is intended manipulation of mail like that is no different than the ah thing.
all these troll players doing awful Jamaican patois like they're Chet Hanks or smth my ears are cringing
Honestly Soda should have just Gkick him. Not because what he did was super bad but just to be strict with the rules. It was the same argument with all of this was about to start. Self Found would prevent all cheating. And the moment you give people the opportunity to cheat they will. Don't get me wrong I understand for the content but if they start pulling back it will just become a lose lose for the guild because people are just going to expect this to turn right back into the mess the original onlyfangs was.
Small edit: the second half of the video proves my point. Instead of seeing it the way Guzu does, the undead that are mad about this are what I mean. Soda sent Sequisha to die. Not a second change but to die. If anything I give props to Seroji for doing what needed to be done.
feels like the summit just has a chip on his shoulder about experienced wow players, feels like a very "them and us" mentality
lol at all the people in guzu chat pointing out he has 20G at lvl 35. That's normal amount if you aren't buying stuff and can't have a bank alt. Can easily have more than that even.
Especially on a mage.
lol at you for caring wtf some streamer is up to. You know these people aren't your friends and have no idea you even exist, right?
@@bobdooley1864 what i said literally has nothing to do with any streamer and is just a comment on how fast you make gold in classic wow compared to your level. I have no idea why you decided to say this to me and not someone else.
This format is sweaty for casuals but casual for sweats. It's why both can exist and play in this space. No other hardcore format of a game really does this and no RP format in another game does this. This is uncharted territory.
Summit has a solid point in the fact that this is fail RP. But it's not on zeroji, this is on Soda. And it's part of the danger of making cheating into content. You either set up the event for a fighting chance or you don't. If you want to execute him, execute him. But sending in zeroji was just an RP fail. Ruined a really cool idea and event. Or at least robbed it of a better RP ending. Seq was about to die, he really should have just let him die on his own, and by sending in zeroji to finish him, it steals the valor there "for the trolls." It's bullshit and bad RP.
Summit is taking it too seriously, that's for sure. But for Soda to say he wasn't getting out alive after telling Seq he wants him to survive? Nah, Soda straight up lied to Seq hahaha. But Seq did cheat, it is what it is, he's lucky he didn't get kicked in the end which would be a lot worse than being executed in this or any fashion.
This season of HC is going to be wild 😄
You act like it's a tv show and these people are celebrities.
@@bobdooley1864 kinda feels like reality TV doesnt it? xD
I don't like Soda, so I admit I'm biased against him, but I def agree with his take over Summits take. Summit kept waffling between being mad that Zeroji stepped into the arena, and mad that 60 hours was taken away from the cheater. Like Guzu said, this was not a duel but rather an execution. And Soda is right about others not wanting to risk their characters. If I was in OF and around the cheaters level, I wouldn't want to risk my character because HE cheated and needs to die. All that being said, I think this should have been avoided altogether and I was pretty heated when I heard that the guy didn't get kicked out of the guild and Soda broke his promise to do so.
Summit1g acted like a straight up child. He's literally throwing a tantrum over a video game.
Facts
Should've confronted, got a confirmation, then told he's out of the guild and the Discord, both kicks.
Soda altered his own rules because Miskif wanted content. The voice chat afterwards was obnoxious as I watched it initially.
Cause drama, get kicked. No exceptions.
I honestly didn't like the fact a lvl 60 jumped in to kill the Guy.
But the reason is simply that he was told he had a chance to make it if he completes this challange.
But it was never a challange to begin with since they had a lvl 60 executioner waiting at the top of the ramp to make sure he can't win. For me personally, that kinda sours what was a pretty cool event.
Either way, no reason to get overly angry =D
But he was never going to live, there was no actual "but you have a chance" no he was dying anyway
Just watchthe vod man he was like 20 seconda away from dying + the arena is like that, no fair battles.
Saquisha was about to kill a mage that had like 20% hp and 2 warriors jumped in and 5 sec later zeroji jumped in. No1 even talk about the fact that the mage was saved due to that. Gurubashi arena isn't about honor, valor or fairness. It's a rat trap designed for snake activities and every1 has free will to do what they want. To single out zeroji is wild. There were level 50s on that server and guaranteed hundreds of 40+s. Every1 is watching one of these onlyfangs streams. Dude was gonna die one way or another he wasn't coming out of it alive. Those 2 warriors would have spanked him. A random would have spanked him. Dude is an idiot for getting mad at the 60 guy for jumping in. Every day on hc and normal era servers there is a twink or a low/mid level who jumps in arena to grab a chest and a 60 rogue always kills the person. With or without the consent and demand from the trolls zeroji is a free man to do what he want. If any1 is a snake it's the dude who turned off his fucken addon to cheat and bring disgrace to the leader of onlyfangs and the guild as a whole.
And on the other hand you have Xar calling for the bank alt to be deleted and even sending Zeroji a tell to kill him lol
Yea xar the only one with integrity. It just needs a handful of these ppl that make the whole guild look very bad
Wow clearly Summit doesn't have 2 braincells to run together
He has 1... And it's racing for 3rd place.
Me when I started watching Guzu a year or more ago: what a wholesome streamer
Guzu after streaming WoW for a year: 23:36
It was NEVER stated as an execution. It was stated as "you have to stand on the Gurubashi arena for 10 minutes and the server will decide your fate". It was clearly intended as a "you have a chance if the server decides so". But quite quickly Soda realized: "I am the server" lmao
I don't see that there's anything wrong with making a cheater kill their character for cheating. But once you make a decision, you stick to it. If you decided to turn into a content and give the perpetrator a chance, you do that, you don't turn into Darth Sodius within 5 minutes.
The fact that some people are upset that Zerojii jumped in and killed him when the other option was literally getting banned from the most content Sequisha has ever had, is crazy. The price of Sequisha's cheating was straight up death of the character from the jump, they spared him losing out on content. Sequisha is LUCKY they didn't kick him, he got a 20k viewer buff from the whole thing. Everyone needs to settle down. Also, the fact that sequisha is straight up doubling down and lying (he absolutely profited from the AH bigtime, wasn't just bag space) is crazy work. People like that are gross, don't be a weasel or a child, just own up to your mistake and move on.
Drinking game for the weekend:
Listen to the entire call between Soda and Summit.
Take a shot every time someone said "Brother" or "Sweatiest Guy".
Before you start, write a message for the first responders/E.R. Crew.
It's also hilarious that Summit calls Zeroji the "sweatiest" guy on the server. Yes he's definitely a sweat, but he only got first 60 because the actual racers all died
Summit being cringe as fk and personally attacking Zeroji is insane to me. Sequisha cheated, he should have been kicked from the guild in my mind since the rules were clearly stated from the beginning. Sequisha got off easy.
1) You could killed him without bringing 60 EASILY. 2) You promised him he can fight his way out. 3) Your rules are joke when you same people use petris but whine about not using mailbox. So in the end Zeroji was indeed coward, he would never have guts to go arena to fight 60.
@@zao9256it was spur of the moment who gives a fuck lmao. Ontop of that he made a huge amount of money/views for cheating it’s a win overall for everybody
@@zao9256 Your second point is not true he said let the server decide he never said it would be fair. They decided to get a level 60 assassin to kill Sequisha that's how it goes.
@@zao9256 ya and after that he chasing other low levels to kill them too, scumbag move there
@@zao9256that 60 jumped in the ring just like EVERY other person on the server had the option to.
How was the fact he could fight it out not true?? It's understated anyone could go and kill him so why should Zeroji be excluded?
Def 80% Miz's fault
I think the drama could have been avoided if they didn't word it like they were gonna give him a fair-ish shot at it. Like Miz/Soda could have easily said "the level 60 can jump in" from the get go, vs. "hey survive 15 mins and you're forgiven" without mentioning the fact that they coordinated the lvl 60 jumping in. Personally, imo content wise it'd have been more entertaining to see "fair" fights (level wise), and no one would be bitching about the guild sending in a lvl 60. It'd have been win/win.
Also to edit: the only reason I think it's unfair is due to Soda's own wording. "Let the server decide". He didn't say let the guild or trolls decide. That said, I actually think the idea was fantastic/personally I wouldn't mind seeing more of the "cheater has to live through the arena if he wants to keep his character" .. 👀
The point was for him to die, they were just gonna make him delete the character and restart anyways. So then why should people with equal level characters jump in to try and kill him only to risk all their progress that they didn’t even cheat for? Zeroji jumping in near the end and executing him was the best option at that point. Besides we already got good entertainment from it as he fought like 3 or 4 dudes in there already for like 7 minutes before Zeroji jumped in, it’s not like he just executed him right away without even giving him some equal fights beforehand.
@@snandrew6094 You can do it without putting 60 on him. These people are cowards
@@zao9256 The undead said they were going to jump in and kill Zeroji if he jumped in, they had almost a full raid they would have killed him but they chickened out...
@@snandrew6094 Yeah no I get that, it's just why front it as giving him a chance to not die/"let the server decide" when really he just let the troll team/Vei decide?
Like we all saw the vid, he was gonna die vs the lock, esp when the other two(?) jumped in. He was oom, it was a 3v1/3v2 if the rogue hopped in. Sending in the 60 was unnecessary and just a bad look given the wording (all my opinion, not saying it's a fact).
@@slashbashful6549 Last time I checked they are part of the server.
I thought it was a cool idea, that people killing him could die themselves. But the lame part was that pretty much the only people attacking him were grouped up. It was pretty much just sequisha infront of a firing squad.
Tyler1 reaction to the Soda-Summit call is perfect, sums everything up nicely, and took 30 seconds lol
Which was what? You plopped it out there with no info
It was a few years ago
@@TheAustin09 now I'm just curious... It'll have to remain a mystery to me.
@@TheAustin09 few years? the call was two days ago.
@@whatever-w5n you could search for "tyler1 reacts to sodapoppin summit drama", which I did rn to get it word for word for you.
"ok he played 60 hours, but he cheated. who gives a fk"
So, what i'm taking is that if you allow the guy to "survive" for 10 minutes in the arena, then you swarm him (cheater or not) you have rigged the gamed he agreed with. Basically it was just farming content with an outcome already destined. That's why it bothered people i guess.
then people are rtrded
they should have kicked him from the guild, because thats what soda said he was gonna do with cheaters and thats what he wouldve done if it were anyone else, but since its his friend he gets a slap on the wrist and gets to make content out of it
I find it funny how summit said getting jumped by 20 people is more fair then getting killed by a lvl 60
Summit really sappin all the fun out of the event. I'm actually watching the streams from time to time because of it. Does he not get how to improv around Rp events even when they don't go the way he wants? Bro needs to elevate his content.
The thing that blows my mind is the origional decision was just to kill him out right, so there is no difference between him getting killed by a lvl 60 or just getting his character killed before they decided Gurabashi arean either way he was going to die!
Soda said after 10 minutes, if he was still alive he gets to walk...why would he say that, imply it's a duel and then rig it. Soda said he wasn't gonna use cheating as content and he should have stuck with it.
Cheater got his duel cheated. Poetic justice.
you are a potato
@@PyroEmbrace cheater is still in the guild and tarnishing the name then
@@PyroEmbrace well, you can call it hypocrisy too...
It was never set out as a "Duel" it was in the arena. No rules in that pit, the mage had a rogue in their to help him
Imagine hating the person pulling the lever over the one who put his head in the noose.
Completely with Summit on this one, was great for as long as people around his level jumped in, and his own race tried to help him..
As soon as Zeroji jumped in and finished it off, the fun content went to being complete BS execution with no excitement.
Mizkif:"I have an idea."
Me: "is that-?"
Guzu: "Of course is mizkif..."
Me: "Yeah...of course it was him"
Why is that dude so butthurt about this execution not being an honorable duel instead?
Why did he even expect that this would be an honorable duel????? This makes 0 sense.
Of course this was gonna be an execution.
Honor was gone when the guy cheated. Yet he would demand the cheater to get an honorable duel anyways?
Guzu is so chill and levelheaded its nice to hear his take
the "storage" arguement is bollocks. Getting sold a boe shield and that many jades. ANY ssf person would have sold/already DE'd that shield. He even had more pages in his mailbox(you can see the next arrow is highlighted, meaning there are more pages).
"" OnlyFangs drama summary"" the video is 41 minutes
GG WP
I might be in the minority here, but i slightly agree more with Summit on this and theres a few reasons why.
For the 1st reason; as soon as Soda and Miz decided to make it an "event" where the server would decide his fate, it should have stayed like that, when the trolls decided to send in Zeroji it was like a rigged fight, like no point in the event, - Sure could argue it was an execution, but then dont tell all the viewers the server is gonna decide, when they are not, and pretend like he had a fighting chance...
2nd reason is, Soda went back on his word of no content out of cheating, personally, knowing the outcome, i would much rather have Sequisha just delete his character instead, as i think Soda's word just lost a little credibility
3rd is, theyre pitting the guild against eachother, in a much worse way than the "racism" from the points. Imo the guild should have stayed out of this as drama was bound to happen if they didnt. If they wanted execution, they should have had the undead leader execute him in a makgora.
Now where i ABSOLUTELY DO NOT agree with Summit is how he is talking about Zeroji, this wasnt his idea or plan, but the trolls as a race and he is just spreading unnecessary hate. Sure Zeroji could just have said "no" and left, but he did it for the RP, they decided on within the race.
All in all i just think it was a good idea, but executed very poorly...
Its nor griefing, its judgment day
This + Duo saying on stream that Pops should get cancer and die after claiming Pops was the reason he died but it was actually because Duo pulled a mob after everybody was hearthing out after completing their dungeon are big red flags that the trolls are scummy af and should be punished.
I also thought he might have died if Zeroji didnt come at that moment - there was still 5 minutes left - might have spared some drama. It couldve been more transparent, that he will die anyway, but that's hard in the stressfull situation. I liked the community part of it (even though I found the trolls building a lynch mob a little bit too tense for my feeling but it fit the roleplay and the racewars) - it was amazing how many people showed up there on short notice. I like how summit is kind of calm in his voice even though i disagree with his take and i thought it might have been better to talk about it the next day or so, if it was about making it clear. doesnt work with a crowd mobbing up in real life im afraid. I always find it odd that people feel offended on behalve of someone so much when noone has even seen Sequisha talk about it at that moment. Thanks for your thoughts Guzu - i think a review puts things so much more in perspective.