"There was nothing we couldn't do..." "Except keep the holodecks working right." I never noticed that until now and I am absolutely losing my shit about it
Wouldn't be the first time. There was that episode where Gowron rewrote the history books saying that he alone is responsible for his chancellor ship, leaving out the part where the Federation helped him defeat the Duras sisters and the Romulans.
This scene truly makes me hate Gowron. He asks Worf to come with him, but doesn't really give him a choice - threatens everything his House has left. And when Worf refuses, Gowron out of pettiness ruins his family. Absolutely no honour whatsoever. Gowron the backstabbing politician!
I'm not one of them, at least for another 2 minutes. You seriously think Gowron, that this guy can't bounce back again? You helped him yes, but you aren't the only one who could you know. You'll see. 😏👏🍖
Myself I'm a big Growon fan but but something that is a blink and you'll miss it type of moment are how he always tries to turn situations to his advantage. When he was running for leader of the High Council he tried to temp Kalar with a command of her own, or a seat on the council. After the Klingon Civil War he want Tural dead but wanted someone else to do and gave it to Worf who said no and was about ready to let Kern kill the boy when Worf said, "you gave me his life and I have spared it" honor being what it is Growon had to say fine. We do see many times there are honorable Klingons like Worf then there are those that always scheme. To me Growon at his best when he saved Quark from getting killed and even had to compliment him on his courage.
If you're a gowron fan and watched the episodes in TNG, you would notice he's always been a dirty politician. But the show cleverly makes you side with him because he's not Duras.
1. The more renound warriors at your side, the more political clout you have. 2. Worf is a killdozer when he gets going. 3. Worf's unwavering sense of honor makes him useful and easy to manipulate under the right circumstances. 4. He has Federation resources; handy when in a tight spot.
@@Jguthro He really is though! I just re-watched Insurrection. At one point he takes on eight aliens on their own bridge, at the same time. He has no idea what they're capable of, but goes hand-to-hand anyway, unarmed, tossing bodies over bridge workstations like they're throw pillows.
Or…the federation minds its own business, Klingons fight and defeat Cardassia, the dominion has no allies in the alpha quadrant, and worf kicks ass. Sisqo should have been Courts martialed for his actions. The premise of this episode was total bullshit.
This is kinda like the situation of Japan at the end of ww2, the US could have left well enough alone to the most part and let the soviet union take everything japan owned minus potentially a few islands that they couldn't maintain control over in the south pacific. Or we could go for broke and potentially gain an ally that would be stronger later, like now where Japan is rearming, this time on our side. We also see this in a sense of veitnam, while I think we prob morally should have stayed out, us entering did help prepare them for china when they invaded a few years later. Our failure led to us having pretty good ties with veitnam today, we both understand everyone misunderstood the situation a lot and things went bad, and in the end we both know the real cause of us wanting to be there was china and russia, their reason for communism was unity of their country. If we both understood eachother the war would have most likley been different, we also may have lost more troops and veitnam not had it's own country.
@@chemp231Japan is rearming to what end? China will obliterate them swiftly, and Vietnam has taken a neutral stance hence why there are no us military bases, you westerners need to learn the entirety of South East Asia is NOT another NATO, never will be if you think so then you're delusional.
"You have made enemies, but I assure you I am not one of them!"
...for the next few moments/minutes/hours.
I’m glad they later visited how Worf’s actions with Gowron affected Worf’s brother.
"You will have NOTHING!"
"... except MY honor"
This conversation is interesting, especially considering Worf eventually kills Gowron.
Uh Spoiler alert brosef.
There is no obligation to give spoiler alerts for films or shows which are decades-old.
Gowron (dying): I knew that uniform... would someday... get me into trouble...
Worf is one of the key figures in Gowron's story
Worf son of Mogh: The Rise and Fall of Gowron
I like O'Brien's comment about the holodecks. They certainly were a pain!
As the episodes go on, you can see that glassy look in Gowan's eyes as if he's going looney.
Well given the real Martok wasn't even there and Growon had had a Changeling in his ear for a few months or a year, he probably was going crazy.
Worf at 4:32 - "The Enterprise I knew is gone."
Little did he know what would happen 28 years later.
Exactly.
Wdym?
@@Gashahn24 The Enterprise would come back in Star Trek-Picard.
@@samsticka I know. Misread on my side.
I read "The Empire I knew is gone".
Friends don't let friends launch unprovoked invasions.
"There was nothing we couldn't do..."
"Except keep the holodecks working right."
I never noticed that until now and I am absolutely losing my shit about it
the Klingon inside Worf was pretty tempted with that offer of glory and deeds worthy of song. For a moment anyway.
With Worf's help, Gowron wouldn't have been Chancellor. Gowron conveniently forgot that.
Wouldn't be the first time. There was that episode where Gowron rewrote the history books saying that he alone is responsible for his chancellor ship, leaving out the part where the Federation helped him defeat the Duras sisters and the Romulans.
Worf son of Mogh: The Rise and Fall of Gowron
Wonder how many songs Worf has about him?
Gowron, had no honor though. He was just a little bit better than Duras.
*"WAFF!"* lol 😆
Crazy eyed Gowron lol
The way he says "glory awaits you on Cardassia" 😍
TO THE FEDERATION!!! I love how extra gowron is
This scene truly makes me hate Gowron. He asks Worf to come with him, but doesn't really give him a choice - threatens everything his House has left. And when Worf refuses, Gowron out of pettiness ruins his family. Absolutely no honour whatsoever. Gowron the backstabbing politician!
Corruption at the highest levels
It wasn't that long ago Worf had to fight a platoon on Datas on the holodeck. You'd think he'd belly laugh there.
Worf understood, that O'Brien was trying to cheer him up with an in-joke, but Worf wasn't in the mood, and had other things on his mind.
at 3:13..... "We are strong now"
Go MIKEY 👍🏿‼️‼️
I'm not one of them, at least for another 2 minutes.
You seriously think Gowron, that this guy can't bounce back again? You helped him yes, but you aren't the only one who could you know.
You'll see. 😏👏🍖
Worf should have went. But Gowron is overreacting even for a klingon
As a Gowron fan, I really hated this. I never saw him as a saint, but DS9 really did him dirty.
Myself I'm a big Growon fan but but something that is a blink and you'll miss it type of moment are how he always tries to turn situations to his advantage.
When he was running for leader of the High Council he tried to temp Kalar with a command of her own, or a seat on the council.
After the Klingon Civil War he want Tural dead but wanted someone else to do and gave it to Worf who said no and was about ready to let Kern kill the boy when Worf said, "you gave me his life and I have spared it" honor being what it is Growon had to say fine.
We do see many times there are honorable Klingons like Worf then there are those that always scheme.
To me Growon at his best when he saved Quark from getting killed and even had to compliment him on his courage.
If you're a gowron fan and watched the episodes in TNG, you would notice he's always been a dirty politician. But the show cleverly makes you side with him because he's not Duras.
Why does he need Worf so badly?
1. The more renound warriors at your side, the more political clout you have.
2. Worf is a killdozer when he gets going.
3. Worf's unwavering sense of honor makes him useful and easy to manipulate under the right circumstances.
4. He has Federation resources; handy when in a tight spot.
@@pragmax That makes total sense. Lol@killdozer.
@@Jguthro He really is though! I just re-watched Insurrection. At one point he takes on eight aliens on their own bridge, at the same time. He has no idea what they're capable of, but goes hand-to-hand anyway, unarmed, tossing bodies over bridge workstations like they're throw pillows.
Gowron was needy and insecure (confirmed by his petty and vengeful reaction).
Come on Worf the Enterprise is just a starship. He talks about that hulk of duranium like it's his ex girlfriend or something
Oh the enterprise was more than just a ship, it was home
Or…the federation minds its own business, Klingons fight and defeat Cardassia, the dominion has no allies in the alpha quadrant, and worf kicks ass. Sisqo should have been Courts martialed for his actions. The premise of this episode was total bullshit.
Maybe, but there would have not been a cardassia to rebel against the dominion.
This is kinda like the situation of Japan at the end of ww2, the US could have left well enough alone to the most part and let the soviet union take everything japan owned minus potentially a few islands that they couldn't maintain control over in the south pacific.
Or we could go for broke and potentially gain an ally that would be stronger later, like now where Japan is rearming, this time on our side.
We also see this in a sense of veitnam, while I think we prob morally should have stayed out, us entering did help prepare them for china when they invaded a few years later. Our failure led to us having pretty good ties with veitnam today, we both understand everyone misunderstood the situation a lot and things went bad, and in the end we both know the real cause of us wanting to be there was china and russia, their reason for communism was unity of their country. If we both understood eachother the war would have most likley been different, we also may have lost more troops and veitnam not had it's own country.
@@chemp231Japan is rearming to what end? China will obliterate them swiftly, and Vietnam has taken a neutral stance hence why there are no us military bases, you westerners need to learn the entirety of South East Asia is NOT another NATO, never will be if you think so then you're delusional.
Tell me you didn't actually watch the episode without telling me you didn't actually watch the episode
@@LucaUmbriel tell me you cannot focus and were playing on your phone for the entire episode without telling me.