I brought my 2006 6.0 to Bill from Wisconsin. My local Ford dealer (V&H Ford) told me it was an injector issue. Bill found that a screw had run through engine and bent a valve. I had Bill do a dealer proof on it. That was 40 thousand miles ago. Truck now has 170k and runs perfect. Thanks Bill
shows the quality of bills powerstroke service. someone "chose" to have their 6.4 either driven or transport to Georgia from queens new York just so bill Hewitt can fix their truck the correct way. thank you bill and keep the videos coming. -justin
All the mechanics in my area shit. They never tell the truth about what's going on. Al they say is good to go, then after one week the damn truck is back in their shop again. Good thing there's still honest people like bill.
I just wanted to thank you Mr. Hewitt for haring your honest and unpolished insight into these motors etc. I'm still driving my 350 7.3 and tried your archoil fuel additive. I didn't doubt you but was surprised at the difference it made in my 330k truck cold starting up here in NYS. As a craftsman with 6 kids every dollar counts and you save guys like me from expensive repairs that shouldn't need to be done.
I work for an airline. These trucks don’t tow baggage, they routinely pull up to 40,000 lbs of cargo pallets at 15 mph (airport service road speed limit) all day long. They’re workhorses. I’m surprised to see a 6.4 diesel one though
I really appreciate your videos...I'm watching the Ford diesel market like a hawk. I went to look at a 6.4 dually...nice on the outside but I heard these motors were risky. this confirmed it thanks again! I'll call you guys when I'm ready to buy something. 😎
Wow! $13,915 for that engine from White Bear Lake Autonation Ford (first site that came up in Google when I searched for that part #)!! Could buy me a beat up old Chevy truck for that much. Another awesome video, Bill! :)
posted before I was finished I was on a trip through Utah when the motor blew up took it to the Ford dealer and I must say excellent service they put long block motor for $15,800. This was in a 2010 F450. drove around town for a few days to make sure things were right hooked on to my trailer headed back to Oregon 1,100 miles later suck 4 gallons of water into the oil. They determine they must have missed a crack in the block at overhaul. Ford in Oregon replace the motor another long block. took off down the coast with the truck and trailer made it about 600 miles one of the injectors came apart took out the motor. Ford once again replaced with a long block motor .Tried it again we made it about 900 miles the fuel pump come apart took out the motor. They put another one in and I told the Ford garage to drive the truck around before they give it back to me and they lost a motor so I turned around and traded the truck in for $15,800 and I bought a 2016 F450 for $76,000 Shoulda listened to you Bill you said they were a throwaway at a hundred and fifty thousand miles and it was.
the reason people buy a diesel is for one reason , pulling power ,and longevity I personally don't own any ford diesels ,,I do however own several diesel powered vehicles and trucks the biggest of them is powered by a 12 cylinder detroit diesel and I also have a 1983 nissan truck with a 2.5 liter turbo diesel it has over 800K miles and my 1981 olds cutlass with a 5.7 liter diesel has 355,000 miles
Funny, Watching His Videos is why I now own a 2006 F250 6.0 .... as for why diesel... diesel trucks are stronger, use less fuel per ton of load, and have less OVERALL maintenance costs in the long run compared to gas..... and btw in some countries there isn't an option for a gasoline powered TRUCK. A diesel engine can go a million miles on a single rebuild (if they're properly maintained) find me one gas engine on the planet that's gone over a million miles pulling 20 tons of load without having been rebuilt at least twice and I'll buy it.
I really don't get how a DPF delete would void the warranty. I mean removing it would take a huge load off the engine and increase reliability making it LESS likely you would be in to warranty anything. If something did happen they the onus would be on the Ford dealer that the DPF delete is responsible for the problem. It would be impossible to pin a DPF delete on a say a failed axle seal or leaky AC. If you're paranoid you can always keep the old parts and put the DPF back and no one would be the wiser.
+Erik Kovacs, As much as I agree, deleting those items makes the truck more reliable, the warranty is based on the vehicle being kept and maintained in its stock configuration. Its also Fords way of making sure you don't break the law, at least for a little while anyway.
Ever wondered what a 6.4 truck would go through as a NYC taxi cab? I think this is the closest match. GO - STOP - GO - WAIT - GO - STOP -REPEAT 24x7. I'd love to see the runtime on that ECU if that's recorded.
Whoever decided it would be a good idea to buy a 6.4 truck to pull luggage carts around should be fired. Absolutely terrible idea. That's the job for an F-150, or at the very most a 5.4 Super Duty. 6.4 + low speed operation + high idle time = End up in one of Bill's videos lol. Some people.
Marcus Mar they probably were sold by the ford commercials on the 6.4. The amount of publicity it received and how badly they whored it out. Only to call it quits a few years later
D4x4Bronc great engines. I wish Ford would've stuck with the pushrod design for their gas V8s. 302 and 351 were workhorses. 300 was a great sixxer too.
EpiDemic117 yeah for the most part everything is OHC. Only mass produced engines I know of that are still pushrod are the GM small block V8s, Chrysler Hemi V8s, and all the diesels in 3/4 ton and larger trucks we have. I prefer pushrod honestly. Keeps the heads a big smaller and like you said, simple.
Is it bad to run a H&S mini maxx in towing tune (80hp) around town and stock once towing on a 6.4 can't run anything over because clutch starts slipping
So you r telling me you cant rebuild 6.4 ? ??? I mean mine have white smoke and oils coming from the exhaust , find out the piston neber 2 is cracked. So what would you suggest ??????
I just checked and the current price for the rebuilt engine from Ford is $14,003.00 with a $3200 core. (my guess is a 'rebuild-able' core). That sounds like a lot of money but I am going to have about $6000 in parts and machine shop (no labor) for the rebuild of my 6.4 that wasn't in bad shape. These trucks are a real financial commitment.
My 2008 6.4 is still running at 217k miles. All OEM. Just had emissions crap repaired, should have deleted, maybe. Planning to get a new one built for when it fails so I'll be ready.
Question: I bought my '08 used with over 100k on it. It was a fleet vehicle in the oil fields in northern MT and before that it was a tow vehicle on a ranch. I immediately had to replace the oil cooler and the torque converter but other than an electrical issue under the hood that required a new harness, it's been steadfast. I deleted all the emissions from it when it was in the shop getting the new torque converter replaced and had an H&S tuner added. I normally run it with the hottest tune but I never really get into it because I'm afraid of starving the injectors. And I like to keep my tires for more than one season. I rarely tow with it and it's my only vehicle now with 160k miles on it. When it goes, is it possible to drop a 6.7l crate motor in instead of another 6.4l?
Another good video. I am running h&s tuning on my 2008 F-350 set on the "hot damn" setting. I have done the dpf & egr deletes. I got about 170,000 miles and haven't had any issues but I don't drive it hard and I do all the required maintenance. If H &S is no good. What should we be using??
I wonder if this truck made it through the 2 year warranty. No way that is still running today. It is certainly some young technicians set of harbor freight set of tools or tool box by now.
Man my f250 has cost me so much money since I bought it 2 years ago. first I paid 31k for it and 2 days later it was in the shop for new head gaskets and head studs, also dropped in a mishimoto radiator it ran fine for about 6 months it came with the minimax tuner and you're right that tuner grenaded my engine costing me more money for a complete rebuild. then less than 1k later it's back in the shop for a complete top end rebuild smh as soon as it's out this time I'm trading it in asap!!!! Don't buy the 6.4!!!!
H&S is that bad? I just ordered a tuner for my 6.7 for a DPF delete. Am I going to lose my motor sooner because of it? Not planning on adding power and am going to run the most mild tune.
No just keep it in the lowest power levels and watch it when towing you’ll be alright , people ru n the race tuners available on the tuner because of the great fuel mileage and it ends up cracking heads I run mine low no problems
Hi Bill it's Late 2023 and I got an 2008 6.4 deleted at 95K has 135 now with an H&S tune has never been tuned above tow has servesed every 5K or less. Now I'm worried. Would love some help. I love this truck I want to keep it forever. Heard you had oil-injected valve covers for these would love a set of those with hardware maybe your bulletproof oil cooler with all the hardware and inst. What else? New rockers. Would love a little help for a dumb Canadian. Now I'm not rich its payday to payday and Canadian money is like Mexican Paso but I love my truck
I like the 6.4 I agree with you need to replace the engine with a factory ford rebuild, but what if you dpf deleted it ? Would that make the engine last longer since you’re not sending all the extra heat and carbon back though the engine?
Is there any way to make a 6.7 have louder engine noise? something like 6.0/6.4 engine noise or can you only get a aftermarket exhaust and get exhaust noise?
You would have to have one of the tuners such as Jodie, shut off the pre injection shot of fuel that is introduced well before top dead center and is designed to light off early and soften the main ignition detonation.
If someone will make a tuner to remove some of the pilot injections, that would increase the diesel clatter. The older Duramax's and Cummins I have noticed that if you disconnect the pressure control valve on the injection pump the fuel rail pressure pegs out at max (24,000psi) and it sounds like an old tractor. I've only done this for testing a few sec, never for driving around.
Bill you said that navistar hired a European company to design the 6.4. What company was it? Ford actually partnered with a small european company to design the 6.7.
Do a 100 mile+ drive It has it's own regen cycle but if you don't want to do that then you have to remove it and a shop that works on DPF can bake it clean (at 1300 degrees for 8 hours) but if it's the one piece dpf/def system they won't be able to because it will destroy the rest of the system.
This is not what I wanted to hear. lol smh..... ok so how much was the complete engine? and was the remain replacement engine a better motor, meaning did they correct the issues with the new replacement? So that these issues don't happen with the replacement?
Assuming working alone in good shop environment Lift the body off = about 4 hours unplugging stuff and evacuating a/c Engine swap on open frame = 2-3 hours for pre-assembled engine Reinstall cab = 5-6 hours reconnecting wiring and filling a/c If not originally 6.7 the pcm would need changed over to the one for it IF the original truck harness has the right wiring support it or correct harness that can be ordered (if not then entire harness from truck would need to be merged with 6.7 harness including the gauge cluster and that means dash equipment wouldn't be as reliable and some things may not function or fit properly at all )
One reason: Confidence in the work completed Bill Specializes in Powerstroke trucks and if quality is the main concern you always use a specialist because a specialist already knows exactly what to do and has usually made all the mistakes that others would still be unaware of
as for the life she will see up to 70k flat towing not bags but cargo from one end of the air port to the other. prolly 40-70 trips a day roughly 2 miles one way. and operate around 16-20 hours a day.
@Powerstrokehelp I was watching the Diesel Doctor and he was complaining about the motors rebuilt by Ford having plasma welding technology so the liners of the cylinders just suck and flake off and stuff
We go through bobtail trucks like crack on the flightline. Air Force just throws them away after they blow up. The 6.0's lasted about a year at a best. 6.4's were deleted from the factory, and they made it maybe two years. 6.7L ain't doing much better.
adrianspeeder The biggest issue with ford diesels is that won't ford settle for simple. They won't settle for a mediocre, average power rating. The biggest reason why Cummins engines are so reliable is that they're stone-age-stupid simple. Ford won't settle for that. Power strokes are like working on a space shuttle compared to a cummins. It all those highly advanced intricacies that are the downfall of ford diesels. But when they do all work as they should, the power strokes make killer power for their size.
adrianspeeder they don't last long, but I'm in the service as well, and I see how people treat these trucks. There hard on them, don't let them warm up and just petal to the floor them all the time. Maintenance is neglected. Here in turkey, we have a 6.0 with 100k, and the other is at 50k. Just this morning I saw someone start there work truck and immediately put it in gear. Was 24*F
Nathan Flightline rules require the truck to be off when out of the seat. Continuous starting and stopping while toting equipment from spot to spot just killed starters, turbos, and EGRs from never getting hot, and choking up with carbon.
Looked it up and that crate motor alone is $14,882.36 on the ford website so I can see why he says to stay away. I see these trucks on my local craigslist frequently for $12k so...
Reviewerguy1228 .....Spartan.... I've been running their 275-310 tunes since 2011. 2008 KR F450. Hooked to a trailer during the day and surprising a v8 guy at the redlight at night. Flawless programming
it's crazy I wish I could send you the other 2 we have here in miami One was running good till they thought it was a good idea to ford it through the drain after a large rain a had feel. someone I'm assuming in jfk as well thought it was a good idea to remove the splash gaurd from the passengers side wheel well. she drank alot of water then died out maybe 50 feet. one of the mechanics thought only to replace the air filter and not drain the cylinders. putting the biggest no no into the motor either or quick start. she blew the number 8 out the bottom of the motor. /sigh
Blowing piston out bottom means block is done.. just swap in a motor. Any COMPETENT tech can put a motor in... (pistons can't fit through the bottom of the cylinder bore without destroying the main bearing support structure) and when buying rebuilt if you want reliability always get engine directly from OEM. everyone makes mistakes but the OEM has the warranty to cover their's.
I assume you mean rebuild? (as opposed to rfebuild? lol) "Internet's full of REALLY GOOD DEALS on 6.4 trucks,", Theres always picking up some goodies @ destroked & dropping a cummins in...
This truck was probably running 18-20 hours at least 6 days a week. Moving stuff around, waiting for things to unload, etc. Any vehicle at an airport will be run like that, making the 6.4L probably not the best choice considering the DPF issues and such.
Well if you google the part number a new reman engine is $13k-$20k. Figure 10-15 hours work for the engine swap at $100-$120 per hr. So if he gets his engines for $13k and charges $100/hr and it takes him 10 hours then $14k... give or take. GO MATH!
all i needed to hear "I cant do it" from Bill and for me I will NEVER even try to have one. Had looked at an 08 with 130K miles on it and it was cheap....but knowing what I know about the 6.4........no way. Would rather call Dana up and buy a 6.0 truck from Bill than to fool around with a high miles 6.4.
Love your videos but I don't get the hate for h&s. It's not the tuners fault, it's the gorilla between the seat and steering wheel. I have a h&s in my 6.7, deleted the truck brand new and I've never had a issue 55,000 miles and I can pull codes.
You should tell us about how ur personal 6.4 has treated u and how it's held up I own a 6.4 and used to own a 6.0 and the 6.4 these past few years has been nothing but reliable vs my old 6.0
well he should make entirely custom-made 6.4l Powerstroke engine my custom-made camshaft custom-made crankshaft custom-made connecting rods custom-made heads like bed plate and engine block will be from Ford but everything else will be custom-made
Almost feel sorry for that new motor, what a horrible life for it! I would have thought for towing luggage electrics would make more sense with the torque etc.
Mike Humphrey timing on a gas engine can cause misfires it can throw a rod which can blow a hole in the block. Timing can damage allot. Now as for diesel I have no idea what bad timing could cause.
Timing=Degrees of engine rotation the injector is firing. The closer you get to 40° the closer the piston is to the injector spraying high pressure fuel and can erode piston and cause cracking.
I hate the 6.4, we got one to pull live-stock trailers to auction and it didnt even last a month, but we have had great luck with the 6.0, we have an 05 with original everything that has 268k miles and still runs perfect, it is a later model though.
Wow iam suprised they convert normal Diesel trucks to be just Airport tugs, there are purpose build tugs aviable on the market. maybe they wanted more comfort...
If Bill made motors instead of Navistar Ford owners we be a lot happier!!
Alex Matthews actually ford is the ones making engines now.
I brought my 2006 6.0 to Bill from Wisconsin. My local Ford dealer (V&H Ford) told me it was an injector issue. Bill found that a screw had run through engine and bent a valve. I had Bill do a dealer proof on it. That was 40 thousand miles ago. Truck now has 170k and runs perfect.
Thanks Bill
We need a Bill for the duramax community. Its feeling cold and lonely over hear in bailout government motors territory .....
shows the quality of bills powerstroke service. someone "chose" to have their 6.4 either driven or transport to Georgia from queens new York just so bill Hewitt can fix their truck the correct way. thank you bill and keep the videos coming. -justin
All the mechanics in my area shit. They never tell the truth about what's going on. Al they say is good to go, then after one week the damn truck is back in their shop again. Good thing there's still honest people like bill.
Justin c it was on the way to mia so it was a trip of worth.
it's no wonder this guy is overloaded with jobs...he's the man!
Bill knows his shit
I just wanted to thank you Mr. Hewitt for haring your honest and unpolished insight into these motors etc. I'm still driving my 350 7.3 and tried your archoil fuel additive. I didn't doubt you but was surprised at the difference it made in my 330k truck cold starting up here in NYS. As a craftsman with 6 kids every dollar counts and you save guys like me from expensive repairs that shouldn't need to be done.
thanks to your tutoring Bill my 96 7.3 started today.F**K new trucks.its been paid for for 16 years and gets 20 mpg.
Shame about the shortcomings with these trucks, but I still think the 6.4 has the best looking front end.
Djentle Djiant I agree. That's why I would buy a 6.8 instead of a shitty diesel.
I can’t agree with you more the 6.4 just has a badass look.
Honorable European Nationalist that’s garbage too
I work for an airline. These trucks don’t tow baggage, they routinely pull up to 40,000 lbs of cargo pallets at 15 mph (airport service road speed limit) all day long. They’re workhorses. I’m surprised to see a 6.4 diesel one though
Outstanding work as always bill. No dealer on the face of this earth will tell it like it is the way you do
I really appreciate your videos...I'm watching the Ford diesel market like a hawk. I went to look at a 6.4 dually...nice on the outside but I heard these motors were risky. this confirmed it thanks again!
I'll call you guys when I'm ready to buy something. 😎
Thanks for the info Bill. I have an 08 f250. 6.4 .no issues yet .lol. very informative videos .keep up the great work
Start a kick starter for getting this guy a medal for these videos
That’s one fast and powerful airport tug
Wow! $13,915 for that engine from White Bear Lake Autonation Ford (first site that came up in Google when I searched for that part #)!! Could buy me a beat up old Chevy truck for that much. Another awesome video, Bill! :)
I agree with you with the H&S tuning it's what I had on mine I got 149,900 miles number 2 number 7 piston
posted before I was finished I was on a trip through Utah when the motor blew up took it to the Ford dealer and I must say excellent service they put long block motor for $15,800. This was in a 2010 F450. drove around town for a few days to make sure things were right hooked on to my trailer headed back to Oregon 1,100 miles later suck 4 gallons of water into the oil. They determine they must have missed a crack in the block at overhaul. Ford in Oregon replace the motor another long block. took off down the coast with the truck and trailer made it about 600 miles one of the injectors came apart took out the motor. Ford once again replaced with a long block motor .Tried it again we made it about 900 miles the fuel pump come apart took out the motor. They put another one in and I told the Ford garage to drive the truck around before they give it back to me and they lost a motor so I turned around and traded the truck in for $15,800 and I bought a 2016 F450 for $76,000 Shoulda listened to you Bill you said they were a throwaway at a hundred and fifty thousand miles and it was.
Ford should hire this guy I bet he could help engineer a freggin beast of a diesel
Trevor Odom they already make "freggin beast" Cummins, Cat, perkins, Mercedes pretty much anything but international
Ford already has a beast. 6.7
Ford wouldn't hire bill , they wouldn't make any money.
Powerstroke Enginuities in Houston can rebuild a 6.4 with all upgraded internals for about $8K. $10K if you want upgraded turbos as well...
But you wont get to meet bill
Coincidentally, I am heading to JFK at 6AM to drop a friend off. BTW I have a 4B Cummins in my CJ-7 and Grand Waggy, enjoy your videos.
Love his knowledge, not long after I watched his videos I got rid of my Ford diesel. Why any one buys any diesel is beyond me.
the reason people buy a diesel is for one reason , pulling power ,and longevity
I personally don't own any ford diesels ,,I do however own several diesel powered vehicles and trucks
the biggest of them is powered by a 12 cylinder detroit diesel
and I also have a 1983 nissan truck with a 2.5 liter turbo diesel
it has over 800K miles
and my 1981 olds cutlass with a 5.7 liter diesel has 355,000 miles
Funny, Watching His Videos is why I now own a 2006 F250 6.0 .... as for why diesel... diesel trucks are stronger, use less fuel per ton of load, and have less OVERALL maintenance costs in the long run compared to gas..... and btw in some countries there isn't an option for a gasoline powered TRUCK. A diesel engine can go a million miles on a single rebuild (if they're properly maintained) find me one gas engine on the planet that's gone over a million miles pulling 20 tons of load without having been rebuilt at least twice and I'll buy it.
I wish I had your knowledge!
Bill, 7.3 tuning has come a long way in the past few years. I would like to hear your thoughts on it
don't do it unless you like buying new engines.
I think it's pretty impressive. The truck probably never had a proper regeneration in it's existence, and still made it to 150,000.
I really don't get how a DPF delete would void the warranty. I mean removing it would take a huge load off the engine and increase reliability making it LESS likely you would be in to warranty anything. If something did happen they the onus would be on the Ford dealer that the DPF delete is responsible for the problem. It would be impossible to pin a DPF delete on a say a failed axle seal or leaky AC. If you're paranoid you can always keep the old parts and put the DPF back and no one would be the wiser.
You're exactly right. But some people s that 350 hp tune on the tuner and just can't resist.
Unless you do, and I did.
+Erik Kovacs, As much as I agree, deleting those items makes the truck more reliable, the warranty is based on the vehicle being kept and maintained in its stock configuration. Its also Fords way of making sure you don't break the law, at least for a little while anyway.
Ever wondered what a 6.4 truck would go through as a NYC taxi cab? I think this is the closest match. GO - STOP - GO - WAIT - GO - STOP -REPEAT 24x7. I'd love to see the runtime on that ECU if that's recorded.
Hey Bill, love the videos. So what tuning would you recommend on a deleted 6.4? Thanks in advance.
Got 358k on my 2010 kingranch =D.
You my friend are doing something right
Was it ever rebuilt or was the engine replaced?????
Zombie 8892 I must ask what you have done to it?
What are you doing? Oil changes? Deleted?
powerstrokehelp only issue ive had was injectors and radiator. Maybe im lucky?
That thing is WORKED
Whoever decided it would be a good idea to buy a 6.4 truck to pull luggage carts around should be fired. Absolutely terrible idea. That's the job for an F-150, or at the very most a 5.4 Super Duty. 6.4 + low speed operation + high idle time = End up in one of Bill's videos lol. Some people.
Marcus Mar they probably were sold by the ford commercials on the 6.4. The amount of publicity it received and how badly they whored it out. Only to call it quits a few years later
D4x4Bronc great engines. I wish Ford would've stuck with the pushrod design for their gas V8s. 302 and 351 were workhorses. 300 was a great sixxer too.
EpiDemic117 nope it's OHC as well. Single overhead cam to be exact.
EpiDemic117 yeah for the most part everything is OHC. Only mass produced engines I know of that are still pushrod are the GM small block V8s, Chrysler Hemi V8s, and all the diesels in 3/4 ton and larger trucks we have. I prefer pushrod honestly. Keeps the heads a big smaller and like you said, simple.
That or get a 7.3 or a built 6.0
Got 220k on my 2008, no motor or trans issues yet. Not the best motor but I think maintenance is the most important.
Yep just bought me one with 111k miles fuel filter was filled with sludge
what's the pipe right next to the vertical ever cooler use for it looks like something should be connected to it
Is it bad to run a H&S mini maxx in towing tune (80hp) around town and stock once towing on a 6.4 can't run anything over because clutch starts slipping
So you r telling me you cant rebuild 6.4 ? ???
I mean mine have white smoke and oils coming from the exhaust , find out the piston neber 2 is cracked.
So what would you suggest ??????
You just give em one part number, and in the box, is a braaaaand neeeeew motor. 🤣🤣🤣
Really? I have a great h&s tune on my 6.7... love it
I just checked and the current price for the rebuilt engine from Ford is $14,003.00 with a $3200 core. (my guess is a 'rebuild-able' core). That sounds like a lot of money but I am going to have about $6000 in parts and machine shop (no labor) for the rebuild of my 6.4 that wasn't in bad shape. These trucks are a real financial commitment.
A new 6.7L is also a "real financial commitment" too.
My 2008 6.4 is still running at 217k miles. All OEM.
Just had emissions crap repaired, should have deleted, maybe.
Planning to get a new one built for when it fails so I'll be ready.
love mine, 75000km then dpf and cat delete, oil changed every 7000kmwith shell rotell t 15 w 40
and all moto craft filters
any update on your truck since you posted this comment 3 yrs ago?
Question: I bought my '08 used with over 100k on it. It was a fleet vehicle in the oil fields in northern MT and before that it was a tow vehicle on a ranch. I immediately had to replace the oil cooler and the torque converter but other than an electrical issue under the hood that required a new harness, it's been steadfast. I deleted all the emissions from it when it was in the shop getting the new torque converter replaced and had an H&S tuner added. I normally run it with the hottest tune but I never really get into it because I'm afraid of starving the injectors. And I like to keep my tires for more than one season. I rarely tow with it and it's my only vehicle now with 160k miles on it. When it goes, is it possible to drop a 6.7l crate motor in instead of another 6.4l?
hell yea easy as hell. Drops right in
7:45 from the sound of things In the party's over I'm quite sure his opinion is different.
Newb question, can you switch out a 6.4 for a 6.7? In a perfect world, that's what I would love to see in a 2008 450. Thanks!
Scott Trafford you can. I’ve seen it done. Optimally you will need a donor truck for the 6.7.
Another good video. I am running h&s tuning on my 2008 F-350 set on the "hot damn" setting. I have done the dpf & egr deletes. I got about 170,000 miles and haven't had any issues but I don't drive it hard and I do all the required maintenance. If H &S is no good. What should we be using??
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I wonder if this truck made it through the 2 year warranty. No way that is still running today. It is certainly some young technicians set of harbor freight set of tools or tool box by now.
Man my f250 has cost me so much money since I bought it 2 years ago. first I paid 31k for it and 2 days later it was in the shop for new head gaskets and head studs, also dropped in a mishimoto radiator it ran fine for about 6 months it came with the minimax tuner and you're right that tuner grenaded my engine costing me more money for a complete rebuild. then less than 1k later it's back in the shop for a complete top end rebuild smh as soon as it's out this time I'm trading it in asap!!!! Don't buy the 6.4!!!!
Another 6.4 ready to blow up again
Is it coming for that black paint to start to flake on these remanufactured motors I have one with 4000 miles and that paint is flaking
So are you guys not doing Dealer proofing on 6.4 anymore?
H&S has given tons of customers to Bill he should be more apprecoative to them
H&S is that bad? I just ordered a tuner for my 6.7 for a DPF delete. Am I going to lose my motor sooner because of it? Not planning on adding power and am going to run the most mild tune.
kpdanger1 why do you want more power out of an already powerful engine?
Please, just read the rest of the comment....
No just keep it in the lowest power levels and watch it when towing you’ll be alright , people ru n the race tuners available on the tuner because of the great fuel mileage and it ends up cracking heads I run mine low no problems
Hi Bill it's Late 2023 and I got an 2008 6.4 deleted at 95K has 135 now with an H&S tune has never been tuned above tow has servesed every 5K or less. Now I'm worried. Would love some help. I love this truck I want to keep it forever. Heard you had oil-injected valve covers for these would love a set of those with hardware maybe your bulletproof oil cooler with all the hardware and inst. What else? New rockers. Would love a little help for a dumb Canadian. Now I'm not rich its payday to payday and Canadian money is like Mexican Paso but I love my truck
I like the 6.4 I agree with you need to replace the engine with a factory ford rebuild, but what if you dpf deleted it ? Would that make the engine last longer since you’re not sending all the extra heat and carbon back though the engine?
Yes
I found one of them compete drop in from Ford for my 06 6.0 came out of a rollover up north did a car fax only had about 40k on it
Did that new motor not come with the egr on I see you put the original one on the new motor
Is there any way to make a 6.7 have louder engine noise? something like 6.0/6.4 engine noise or can you only get a aftermarket exhaust and get exhaust noise?
You would have to have one of the tuners such as Jodie, shut off the pre injection shot of fuel that is introduced well before top dead center and is designed to light off early and soften the main ignition detonation.
If someone will make a tuner to remove some of the pilot injections, that would increase the diesel clatter. The older Duramax's and Cummins I have noticed that if you disconnect the pressure control valve on the injection pump the fuel rail pressure pegs out at max (24,000psi) and it sounds like an old tractor. I've only done this for testing a few sec, never for driving around.
RFEBUILD interesting...
Hello bill i have a 6.4 was just thinking would a 7.3 are even a 6.7 fit instead of a 6.4 motor just asking
Robert Tannenbaum you can make anything fit it just cost money I’ve seen summing sand 6.0l In them
Bill you said that navistar hired a European company to design the 6.4. What company was it? Ford actually partnered with a small european company to design the 6.7.
Renault.
how can I clean my dpf if do a lot of short drive trips.
Do a 100 mile+ drive It has it's own regen cycle but if you don't want to do that then you have to remove it and a shop that works on DPF can bake it clean (at 1300 degrees for 8 hours) but if it's the one piece dpf/def system they won't be able to because it will destroy the rest of the system.
This is not what I wanted to hear. lol smh..... ok so how much was the complete engine? and was the remain replacement engine a better motor, meaning did they correct the issues with the new replacement? So that these issues don't happen with the replacement?
How hard is it to put a 6.7 into a 08-10 f350?
Assuming working alone in good shop environment
Lift the body off = about 4 hours unplugging stuff and evacuating a/c
Engine swap on open frame = 2-3 hours for pre-assembled engine
Reinstall cab = 5-6 hours reconnecting wiring and filling a/c
If not originally 6.7 the pcm would need changed over to the one for it IF the original truck harness has the right wiring support it or correct harness that can be ordered (if not then entire harness from truck would need to be merged with 6.7 harness including the gauge cluster and that means dash equipment wouldn't be as reliable and some things may not function or fit properly at all )
Is this a engine rebuild or engine swap? If just an engine swap, why bring the truck to GA from NYC?
One reason: Confidence in the work completed
Bill Specializes in Powerstroke trucks and if quality is the main concern you always use a specialist because a specialist already knows exactly what to do and has usually made all the mistakes that others would still be unaware of
I thought they used a smaller golf cart type of truck? Not quite a golf cart, but not a 3/4 ton truck either.
What tuning should I run instead of h&s
Sct.
Spartan
Patriot, they specialize in Ford tunes.
So how much does ford sell the complete engine for? You never mentioned it... or i missed it
Usually 17 to 21 thousand dollars depending on year model
as for the life she will see up to 70k flat towing not bags but cargo from one end of the air port to the other. prolly 40-70 trips a day roughly 2 miles one way. and operate around 16-20 hours a day.
How much was that motor?
@Powerstrokehelp I was watching the Diesel Doctor and he was complaining about the motors rebuilt by Ford having plasma welding technology so the liners of the cylinders just suck and flake off and stuff
We go through bobtail trucks like crack on the flightline. Air Force just throws them away after they blow up. The 6.0's lasted about a year at a best. 6.4's were deleted from the factory, and they made it maybe two years. 6.7L ain't doing much better.
adrianspeeder The biggest issue with ford diesels is that won't ford settle for simple. They won't settle for a mediocre, average power rating. The biggest reason why Cummins engines are so reliable is that they're stone-age-stupid simple. Ford won't settle for that. Power strokes are like working on a space shuttle compared to a cummins. It all those highly advanced intricacies that are the downfall of ford diesels. But when they do all work as they should, the power strokes make killer power for their size.
adrianspeeder they don't last long, but I'm in the service as well, and I see how people treat these trucks. There hard on them, don't let them warm up and just petal to the floor them all the time. Maintenance is neglected. Here in turkey, we have a 6.0 with 100k, and the other is at 50k. Just this morning I saw someone start there work truck and immediately put it in gear. Was 24*F
What was the most common failure on the 6.0's?
Dan Smith For sure. I'm an FCC out of Dover, so if you see one of my jets land, stop over and say hi.
Nathan Flightline rules require the truck to be off when out of the seat. Continuous starting and stopping while toting equipment from spot to spot just killed starters, turbos, and EGRs from never getting hot, and choking up with carbon.
Looked it up and that crate motor alone is $14,882.36 on the ford website so I can see why he says to stay away. I see these trucks on my local craigslist frequently for $12k so...
Palmer Boudreau You can get a nice 7.3 or 6.0 for that price
Kennedy airport is in Brooklyn
Best tune for a deleted 6.4 other than h&s?
Reviewerguy1228 .....Spartan.... I've been running their 275-310 tunes since 2011. 2008 KR F450. Hooked to a trailer during the day and surprising a v8 guy at the redlight at night. Flawless programming
it's crazy I wish I could send you the other 2 we have here in miami One was running good till they thought it was a good idea to ford it through the drain after a large rain a had feel. someone I'm assuming in jfk as well thought it was a good idea to remove the splash gaurd from the passengers side wheel well. she drank alot of water then died out maybe 50 feet. one of the mechanics thought only to replace the air filter and not drain the cylinders. putting the biggest no no into the motor either or quick start. she blew the number 8 out the bottom of the motor. /sigh
Blowing piston out bottom means block is done.. just swap in a motor. Any COMPETENT tech can put a motor in... (pistons can't fit through the bottom of the cylinder bore without destroying the main bearing support structure) and when buying rebuilt if you want reliability always get engine directly from OEM. everyone makes mistakes but the OEM has the warranty to cover their's.
Hey Bill, do you think you can give me permission to put your face on an 2008 ford f550 that I am interested in?
Hiw much was that create engine
I assume you mean rebuild? (as opposed to rfebuild? lol) "Internet's full of REALLY GOOD DEALS on 6.4 trucks,", Theres always picking up some goodies @ destroked & dropping a cummins in...
Don't like the paint when it comes to working on it later after the "warranty" is up
How much is a reman engine from ford? Thanks
how many hours were on this truck? must be a lot seeing the life it lives.
steffan sedore that would be interesting to see. I betcha its a boatload, then some.
steffan sedore 149k. he showed it
That is MILEAGE, not running hours. Probably sat around idling for at least that many hours waiting on planes to arrive and leave.
This truck was probably running 18-20 hours at least 6 days a week. Moving stuff around, waiting for things to unload, etc. Any vehicle at an airport will be run like that, making the 6.4L probably not the best choice considering the DPF issues and such.
Just for anyone wondering that new engine is $15,100. $18,300 if you don't have a core to send back.
What is the crate motor worth?
john d 10000 -17000 no labor
That's the 17800 engine minus core plus taxes delivery installation
Minus the core, you're at 14,800.
GameDog plus labor new radiator new batteries hoses exc that's crazy expensive 💰💰💰💰💰
Tony Mikesell 50000 less than a new truck
What is the total cost for the engine and labor cost?
Well if you google the part number a new reman engine is $13k-$20k. Figure 10-15 hours work for the engine swap at $100-$120 per hr. So if he gets his engines for $13k and charges $100/hr and it takes him 10 hours then $14k... give or take. GO MATH!
Just the engine is $14,800.
all i needed to hear "I cant do it" from Bill and for me I will NEVER even try to have one. Had looked at an 08 with 130K miles on it and it was cheap....but knowing what I know about the 6.4........no way. Would rather call Dana up and buy a 6.0 truck from Bill than to fool around with a high miles 6.4.
Bill how much would you charge me to have my truck shipped to Georgia from Vegas tank proof my truck then send it back to me fixed the right way.
Love your videos but I don't get the hate for h&s. It's not the tuners fault, it's the gorilla between the seat and steering wheel. I have a h&s in my 6.7, deleted the truck brand new and I've never had a issue 55,000 miles and I can pull codes.
Dj
Do you still have the h&s tuner on your 6.7? have you had any problems
So what your saying is that a 6.4 is a glass cannon... great power, can't fix...
You should tell us about how ur personal 6.4 has treated u and how it's held up I own a 6.4 and used to own a 6.0 and the 6.4 these past few years has been nothing but reliable vs my old 6.0
Angel Gonzalez mine too.i had 2 6.0s amd both put together didnt come close too the reliability of my 6.4
How much does the reman cost from Ford.
14,800
There's a typo in the title. Just saying.
Anybody ever putt a 6.0 motor in a 6.4 truck bill ?
well he should make entirely custom-made 6.4l Powerstroke engine my custom-made camshaft custom-made crankshaft custom-made connecting rods custom-made heads like bed plate and engine block will be from Ford but everything else will be custom-made
Almost feel sorry for that new motor, what a horrible life for it!
I would have thought for towing luggage electrics would make more sense with the torque etc.
bet that truck is not on the road today
Can somebody explain to me what timing does to damage the engine?
Mike Humphrey timing on a gas engine can cause misfires it can throw a rod which can blow a hole in the block.
Timing can damage allot.
Now as for diesel I have no idea what bad timing could cause.
Timing=Degrees of engine rotation the injector is firing. The closer you get to 40° the closer the piston is to the injector spraying high pressure fuel and can erode piston and cause cracking.
I hate the 6.4, we got one to pull live-stock trailers to auction and it didnt even last a month, but we have had great luck with the 6.0, we have an 05 with original everything that has 268k miles and still runs perfect, it is a later model though.
Wow iam suprised they convert normal Diesel trucks to be just Airport tugs, there are purpose build tugs aviable on the market. maybe they wanted more comfort...
.I wish Ford stuck with International.
Navistar is International
it is thanks for the info.
What have ya'll got for sale?
335k on mine 08. stock engine. EGR/DPF delete and SCT tuning. Guess I’m a lucky one too.
What do you do to it ? Anything special
If you only know how them black engines where built
I got 265,000 on my 6.4 king ranch and she still a ticking.
What have you done to it to keep it up and running? Religious maintenance? Deleted?