Sorry buddy, youtube did not like your last comment on the Cache module video. But I saw it, and I appreciate it. Next time we'll get some results, for sure!
I remember my first lan was with my 166mmx and a voodoo2. Had to play half life in 640x480 to improve fps. Then with the duron 700 I could play in 800x600 no problem. Still got this voodoo2. Good old time.
Can't believe you still have that, that's awesome! It's so rare that someone keeps stuff like that for so long. Unfortunatelly most of my things I bought recently because at the time I had to sell as I upgraded. That's very cool though, thanks for the comment.
Interesting! I knew it was CPU dependant (as you called out obv) but I figured the Voodoo 2 would have been more powerful than it was here. I bet quite a few people upgraded this path or a similar one and then perhaps were dissapointed in the lack of boost in most games. But that's why it's fascinating to explore. Nice video!
You mean to say that this video is pointless and that I should use at least a 4 GHz xeon to properly show the capabilities of the Voodoo 2. eeeer you might be right. But you're right, I was so sure there would be clear gains with the Voodoo 2 that I didn't think the last video I made was a problem... eeerr, yeah. Thanks for your support, Rik. Always nice having you around here.
Excellent video. The difference between the V1 and V2 is big in games that are not CPU intensive like the Quake 2/3 engine games and small in CPU intensive games the Unreal engine games. But even in the cases where the difference is small you still have an advantage with the V2 because you can play in 800x600 with the same FPS as in 640x480.
Absolutely, the difference is substancial when it the CPU os software give it legs. At one point I'll test them in an over powered system to see how far apart these particular cards are. And you're right, Voodoo 2 is king when image quality comes into play.
There is a difference even at Half-Life. I played Unreal and Unreal Tournament with Pentium 133 and even there with Voodoo 2 games worked good, also Tomb Raider III worked great there. Glide is a low level API so games using that API can work better with slower cpu.
You're absolutely right. There is a difference even in Half-Life, but as soon as the CPU is demanded like in big areas the extra GPU is pointless. You can see higher framerates in confined spaces with the voodoo 2 in this situation. Have a great weekend, Andrew.
2:27 In Half-Life with the Voodoo 2 the frame rate is a little higher overall and in some parts of the game it is 2x higher than with the Voodoo 1. Very interesting video :). Greetings from Romania.
I did not fail to see what you did with the drum beats there 😋 As far as speed, I don't see any way the Voodoo2 would ever be slower, but in a fiscal sense, better to upgrade your CPU of course (back in the day).
Haha thank you for noticing my "art". At this point and time I would always prioritize upgrading the GPU and then dealing with whatever CPU I had. But maybe even the Voodoo 1 will be able to deliver more with a faster CPU considering what we see here. Thank you for the support, have a great weekend, Mike!
Awesome work Bruno! I really enjoyed this one greatly and found it to be quite interesting. I re-watched your last video and have to say that the one thing the Voodoo 2 seems to really have here is “better” VGA quality which, as you noted with most of the differences, is subjective. For sure, the Voodoo 2 was a real and reasonable upgrade path at the time with this hardware; I knew someone with a P166 classic and a Matrox Millennium that dropped a Voodoo 2 in! I don’t think there’s really such thing as an underpowered CPU for a Voodoo 2 and would push back against the arguments by saying that while, yeah, it’s bottlenecked, the damn Voodoo 2 scales all the way up to early Pentium 4 speeds, and it’s not like people actually carried their Voodoo 2 along for upgrades for that long. I would bet that most never saw much over a ~500MHz Pentium III, if that. But, as to the games, I actually preferred the muted colors of the Voodoo 1 in Unreal, but Shogo looked much better on the Voodoo 2, despite the gamma difference. Quake II is so damn well-optimized and that was one result I did not expect! That difference was nuts! I did watch the Half Life section a few times and can’t tell much of a difference. I’m curious as to how a 6MB or 8MB Voodoo 1 would compare in these circumstances. The 208MHz overclock on the 166MMX is awesome-I’m quite impressed with the performance and think that it’s probably not far off of a 233MMX. Hell, it might be faster with an 83MHz bus. Looking back on my tests of the Rendition V2200, I found that CPU scaling with early 3D accelerators is weird. PCI clock does make a difference and if it’s running at ~41MHz on your board (which I’d wager it was), that would pump performance up on the V2 and V1 a good bit and achieve pretty nice results-exactly what you showed! I really liked this and the side-by-sides were awesome. The Voodoo 1 may be THE Voodoo Graphics, but something about the Voodoo 2 just warms my heart. It’s the card I lusted after as a kid, and it wasn’t until last year that I got a (mismatched) set and damn are they fun cards! Thanks again for all of your hard work, Bruno! Videos like this and your previous one are absolute treasures, and they really taught me a lot about hardware I’ve always found fascinating! Thanks for sharing, buddy! This was epic!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it, buddy! I like your argument about the image quality, I think you're right on this one, the v1 really doesn't have the best output and you can kind of see that more in an LCD monitor for some reason. Seems like it was made for CRT and wasn't expected to be used with an LCD. The voodoo 2 does look a bit better. But this upgrade path must have been taken by so many, in 1998 anyone would definitely buy the v2 over the v1 in hopes of carrying it over to future builds. I ran mine with a K5 and then with a P3 600. But only briefly as I upgrade to a V3 then a V5. Thanks for reminding me that the overclock is on the FSB and therefore also on the PCI slots, I forgot about that! 😆 I got the perfect build to stick this V2 in, but first, we have some business to take care of! Cheers, my friend!
Oooh! Quake II AND the K6-2 3DNow patch with Voodoo²! Pretty much = Socket 7 to the MAX ♥:♥ What's the Voltage settings on your motherboard? And to answer your question: NO I would not! But then again, never had a Voodoo only Voodoo² = Why would I downgrade EVEN if my CPU was a K6 200MHz - in 1998?
Oh yeah, I want to visit the K6, I never actually owned one. But I would really need a super socket 7 mobo. I'm not sure about the voltage settings, but it's a pure socket 7, wont go over 208 MHz. Deal with answering this is that Internet didn't have all that information back then, many times we didn't know what we were getting into, but you're right, knowing the reality of the performance of these cards and the necessary CPU one should never say yes to this haha.
i did back in 98 i had a p120 and a voodoo 1 8meg i upgraded to a 12 meg voodoo 2 and never looked back and i still have the voodoo 2 all complete in box on the shelf. thinking i may put it in my p166
@@dallesamllhals9161 its a techworks power 3d2 and when i looked in side there was all so a creative 12meg as well i think i was going to do sli but got a gforce 2 card and never got round to it i got a p1 166 and a p2 i am going to put it in the p2 and play the old 3dfx games ill not sell it had it 23 years
Oh man, epic that you still have that! Most of us, me included, didn't really have foresight like that and got rid of all the stuff. I used to upgrade frenquently and I used the current card as part of the payment for the next always, so I never kept any original thing. Most of the stuff I have today I had to reacquire throughout the years. Thanks for stopping by to watch the video, have a great weekend!
@@SUCRA I WAS THE SAME AFTER P120 I BUILT a p2 350 then p2 400 still got most of the p1 & p2 chips + mobo`s i give away my 21in crt should never of done that
Hello, Bruno! I remember using my VooDoo 1 with my PPro 200 but when I upgraded my system with a P2 300 I also got a pair of 8MB VooDoo2, the system was clearly under heavy CPU bottleneck so I ended up selling one of the 2 cards, sadly I didn't appreciate old hardware back then so I lost track of the VooDoo 1. A way faster PIII or the Slot-A system that I put together later would had taken my VooDoo 2 card to way higher performance but I was already with my mind set on nVidia TNT2 cards. I need to put together a system for my VooDoo 2 and see for myself how troublesome is to use the newer card in the oldest games.
The Voodoo 1 and a Pentium Pro seems like a great combo! But of course a P2 was a great upgrade, and yeah, 1 Voodoo 2 is quite enough for most games except probably a handful including Quake 2. The TNT2 cards were really a game changer, Nvidia was coming up in the 3d game and it was a strong showing unfortunatelly for 3dfx. Yeah man, put that system together, take some pics, make some vids, let's see it! Thanks for the support!
I watched the Unreal sequence again and if you stop the video or run it with 0.25 or 0.50 speed you will notice that the frame is around 30% lower with the Voodoo 2. The FPS is calculated 1000/frame. The Voodoo 2 runs Unreal with around 30% more fps, not a lot better than the Voodoo 1 but still an improvement.
I say that performance gain is... noticeable. I could say that animation is smoother with my blind eye. Sure Pentium 166mhz isn't a CPU for Unreal in general, but I say it's one of the two games where you can say you have gained something from upregade.
Thanks Ted! For sure... I'd always go for the GPU upgrade... massively bottlenecking any CPU I had. At one point I had a voodoo 3 and a pentium 3 600 MHz, then I upgrade the GPU to a voodoo 5 because, voodoo 5.
@@SUCRA Best one for me was grabbing a Celeron 300A and running at a 100 MHZ FSB for an instant killer rig! Ok. only 128 kb cache but at the full speed instead of the half speed of the true PII 450.
I've never actually seen a side-by-side comparison of these two cards, so this is interesting! I felt there was a difference with Unreal, but yes - the margins are small. If anything this gives further proof just how good the Voodoo 1 is - I'd love to see the same comparison on a Pentium II or K6-2 platform.
If you stop the Unreal sequence or run it with 0.25 or 0.50 speed you will notice that the frame is around 30% lower with the Voodoo 2. The FPS is calculated 1000/frame. The Voodoo 2 runs Unreal with around 30% more fps, not a lot better than the Voodoo 1 but still an improvement.
Its great to see someone with a socket 7 setup witb similar graphics setup as im building mine with the Voodoo 2 and S3 Virge DX 4mb Im actually building an AT Socket 7 Asus with the Evergreen Spectra 400 adapter with the K6-2 400mhz and 512kb COAST L2 cache and a S3 Virge DX 4mb with Voodoo 2 (mb unknown) with a SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 with a Dreamblaster X1 midi adapter and finally a Seagate Cheetah on Scsi with a Aha-2940 card with a 5 1/4in and 3.5in floppy drive and Scsi cd rom drive
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's always nice to see other enthusiasts experimenting with retro gaming hardware and your putting together a killer system! Extra props for the evergreen adapter and the aha SCSI card.
@@SUCRA thanks the voodoo 2 and scsi card was found locally for cheap but the rest was bought on ebay, the Evergreen spectra with K6-2 was a deal from a guy i got for cheap, normally those are expensive and hard to get, i really like hardware from the 90s because it has so many options and obscure computers hardware parts like the MCA channel and the VLB, and i checked and my Voodoo 2 is a 12mb
Thanks, OCR. Sweet combo the v3 with a k6-2, that video card is one of my favorites. I had my v3 with a pentium II 600, and then probably pointlessly upgrade it to a v5 in 2000. And it's never too late! Have a great weekend!
great content as always! I for my Pentium 233 mmx I preferred to leave the Voodoo 1, all the games run very well and the support for DOS games is much higher. voodoo2 single or SLI only increase the supported resolution but hardly run titles that do not work with voodoo1
This makes a lot of sense. When I get to use the v2 in another system with a more powerful CPU, I'll give it a got with the v1 to see how much it's being limited by this CPU. Have a great weekend.
I wonder how the results would look like with the V1 and V2 on a K6-2 400 mhz (6x66) that is supported by socket 7 motherboards. I think that would be a great video, if you have the time and interest of course :). A lot of people who had socket 7 motherboards and Pentium 1s upgraded to faster K6-2s because it was not necessary to change the motherboard. My first PC was a P166 MMX which I later upgraded to a K6-2 400 on a socket 7 motherboard.
Yeah that would be maxing out the voodoo 1 for sure. That's something I can do once I have setup my pentium II. I'll have a review about it and then an upgrade to the V2. After that I can try a comparison video. Sorry about the long time frame, just lots to do! 👍
@@shaun4bigblocks993 hey, good question. I think it's close here as there weren't gains across the board. But I can investigate further indeed. Have a good one! 👍
Hey, how's it going? They mostly work the same but some glide DOS games only work with the voodoo 1 like archimedean dynasty and ef2000. There might be a ways to run them on the voodoo 2, but some tweaking is needed.
In my view the sweet spot for Voodoo2 was around P3 600, it does scale up to P3 800 and anything after is a waste. When it came out the fastest P2 you could get (2 m after Voodoo2 came out) was P2 450. So if you are aiming at that 1998 period correct HW, stick to that.
Im curious to see The same test but with a K6-2 because of the 3Dnow extension also because of the faster speed of the cpu for the Socket 7 since the Evergreen spectra adapter allows for a higher multiplier like 400mhz on motherboards with a 3X multiplier
Same here, I'd love to know what kind of numbers you'll get with this setup. Does the performance scale appropriately with the higher cpu clock? Well, good luck with it, sounds really cool!
@@SUCRA I will definitely try some test like winbench and similar programs with my new setup which is an ASUS P55TP4N when the motherboard will be installed in my Case but from past experience on a Digital venturis FX 2 performance does scale properly and windows does detect the K6-2 @ 400mhz since there’s extra jumpers for voltage and CPU multipliers on the adapter, the bios of the FX-2 didn’t detect the K6-2 it depends on the bios because digital dropped supports of their Pentium era and older long ago but the Socket 7 P55TP4N is still supported by asus and latest bios was in 98 so it may be properly detected
Why pentium mmx 166mhz specifically? Is it the easiest pentium mmx to come across today? I thought pentium 200s were still easy to come across. If you are lucky you could find a pentium mmx 233mhz.
Hey, how's it going? Oh, it's just a system I had put together for personal use, and other videos for the channel. Nothing special about this CPU. Have a great Sunday! 👍
You said the main difference between Voodoo 1 and Voodoo 2 was the faster clocks and extra transistors. The real main advantage though was the Voodoo 2 has two Texture mapping units per pixel pipeline vs only one on Voodoo 1. Games that can use multitexturing like quake 2 will clearly show the difference. Also as you mentioned you need a faster processor. The CPU handles T&L (triangle setup) on 3dfx cards, not the graphics card.
Voodoo1 and drivers rely less on the cpu for its performance. this is most notable with launch drivers and a 6mb voodoo 1 like a canopus pure 3d or a miro highscore 1 the voodoo2 scales better with a faster cpu, but it is my contention that a voodoo1 at 6mb will perform better than an 8mb voodoo2 on anything slower than about a 300mhz p2. it comes down to drivers at that point more than anything but the voodoo1 architecture was designed to run on slower cpu so relied on the cpu for less calculations per cycle afaik. the canopus pure3d box art has some suggestions to this being the case aswell. but i ran a 12mb voodoo2 on a Pentium 166mmx bitd. it ran fine. upgraded to a 300mhz k62 and it still ran well. i never thought a bottleneck was happening bitd. all my friends computers for reference ran the same games slower so.. i was happy lol
Thanks for this info, I didn't know about the v1 being less taxing on the CPU but it sure makes sense. Unfortunately those 6mb voodoo 1s are hard to come by, I'm yet to see one in person. Hey, have a wonderful weekend, thanks for stopping by.
@@SUCRA 6mb are a bit harder to find, but they are around. I’ve got two in my collection. It’s the 8mb and 10mb voodoo1 cards that are really hard to come by. Sky3d and obsidian3d made those two and they are near impossible to find and when you do… I think the last one was several thousand dollars on eBay…
Cara, boa tarde! Beleza? Eu tenho um sistema parecido, mas estou usando uma voodoo4 PCI, eu atualizei o processador de um pentium 233 mmx para um k6-2 450mhz, mas meu fps no quake 2 não chega nem perto do seu fps com a voodoo 2. Sabe se tem alguma coisa que eu possa melhorar? A placa mãe que estou usando é a asus p5s-b com 128MB de RAM. Obrigado.
Desculpa, viajei. Toda forma procura o último driver lá que vai ter. É um que server pra V4 e V5. Fiz algumas comparações da V4 com a V5 no video que indiquei ao final, caso tenha interesse.
Girlfriend: "It's Friday night.."
Me: "what, oh erm, in a bit. Sucras playin with his Voodoos again! "
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Best comment as of now 😂 have a great weekend with your gf!
Sorry buddy, youtube did not like your last comment on the Cache module video. But I saw it, and I appreciate it. Next time we'll get some results, for sure!
I remember my first lan was with my 166mmx and a voodoo2. Had to play half life in 640x480 to improve fps. Then with the duron 700 I could play in 800x600 no problem. Still got this voodoo2. Good old time.
Can't believe you still have that, that's awesome! It's so rare that someone keeps stuff like that for so long. Unfortunatelly most of my things I bought recently because at the time I had to sell as I upgraded. That's very cool though, thanks for the comment.
Interesting! I knew it was CPU dependant (as you called out obv) but I figured the Voodoo 2 would have been more powerful than it was here. I bet quite a few people upgraded this path or a similar one and then perhaps were dissapointed in the lack of boost in most games. But that's why it's fascinating to explore. Nice video!
You mean to say that this video is pointless and that I should use at least a 4 GHz xeon to properly show the capabilities of the Voodoo 2. eeeer you might be right. But you're right, I was so sure there would be clear gains with the Voodoo 2 that I didn't think the last video I made was a problem... eeerr, yeah. Thanks for your support, Rik. Always nice having you around here.
Maby an P233 MMX With Voodoo 2 and Voodoo 1
I never thought about that! Quite the voodoo pentium. For that matter we can have a computer with a voodoo 3, 2 and 1! haha
In Unreal for benchmarks just type timedemo 1 while running the castle intro.
Thanks, dude, next time I shall use it.
I had a k6 Athlon 380mhz and blackmagic voodoo 2
Awesome, that seems perfect
Thanks for the Video my friend, cheers from Argentina!
Hey! My pleasure, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Excellent video. The difference between the V1 and V2 is big in games that are not CPU intensive like the Quake 2/3 engine games and small in CPU intensive games the Unreal engine games. But even in the cases where the difference is small you still have an advantage with the V2 because you can play in 800x600 with the same FPS as in 640x480.
^This 800x600 = OMG IF a 15 inch+ CRT..that is :-/
Absolutely, the difference is substancial when it the CPU os software give it legs. At one point I'll test them in an over powered system to see how far apart these particular cards are. And you're right, Voodoo 2 is king when image quality comes into play.
There is a difference even at Half-Life. I played Unreal and Unreal Tournament with Pentium 133 and even there with Voodoo 2 games worked good, also Tomb Raider III worked great there. Glide is a low level API so games using that API can work better with slower cpu.
You're absolutely right. There is a difference even in Half-Life, but as soon as the CPU is demanded like in big areas the extra GPU is pointless. You can see higher framerates in confined spaces with the voodoo 2 in this situation. Have a great weekend, Andrew.
2:27 In Half-Life with the Voodoo 2 the frame rate is a little higher overall and in some parts of the game it is 2x higher than with the Voodoo 1. Very interesting video :). Greetings from Romania.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I can tell that I confined spaces the v2 does shoot up in frame rate on half-life. But it's usually briefly.
I did not fail to see what you did with the drum beats there 😋
As far as speed, I don't see any way the Voodoo2 would ever be slower, but in a fiscal sense, better to upgrade your CPU of course (back in the day).
Haha thank you for noticing my "art". At this point and time I would always prioritize upgrading the GPU and then dealing with whatever CPU I had. But maybe even the Voodoo 1 will be able to deliver more with a faster CPU considering what we see here. Thank you for the support, have a great weekend, Mike!
@@SUCRA Have a great weekend pal!
Awesome work Bruno! I really enjoyed this one greatly and found it to be quite interesting. I re-watched your last video and have to say that the one thing the Voodoo 2 seems to really have here is “better” VGA quality which, as you noted with most of the differences, is subjective. For sure, the Voodoo 2 was a real and reasonable upgrade path at the time with this hardware; I knew someone with a P166 classic and a Matrox Millennium that dropped a Voodoo 2 in! I don’t think there’s really such thing as an underpowered CPU for a Voodoo 2 and would push back against the arguments by saying that while, yeah, it’s bottlenecked, the damn Voodoo 2 scales all the way up to early Pentium 4 speeds, and it’s not like people actually carried their Voodoo 2 along for upgrades for that long. I would bet that most never saw much over a ~500MHz Pentium III, if that. But, as to the games, I actually preferred the muted colors of the Voodoo 1 in Unreal, but Shogo looked much better on the Voodoo 2, despite the gamma difference. Quake II is so damn well-optimized and that was one result I did not expect! That difference was nuts! I did watch the Half Life section a few times and can’t tell much of a difference. I’m curious as to how a 6MB or 8MB Voodoo 1 would compare in these circumstances. The 208MHz overclock on the 166MMX is awesome-I’m quite impressed with the performance and think that it’s probably not far off of a 233MMX. Hell, it might be faster with an 83MHz bus. Looking back on my tests of the Rendition V2200, I found that CPU scaling with early 3D accelerators is weird. PCI clock does make a difference and if it’s running at ~41MHz on your board (which I’d wager it was), that would pump performance up on the V2 and V1 a good bit and achieve pretty nice results-exactly what you showed! I really liked this and the side-by-sides were awesome. The Voodoo 1 may be THE Voodoo Graphics, but something about the Voodoo 2 just warms my heart. It’s the card I lusted after as a kid, and it wasn’t until last year that I got a (mismatched) set and damn are they fun cards! Thanks again for all of your hard work, Bruno! Videos like this and your previous one are absolute treasures, and they really taught me a lot about hardware I’ve always found fascinating! Thanks for sharing, buddy! This was epic!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it, buddy! I like your argument about the image quality, I think you're right on this one, the v1 really doesn't have the best output and you can kind of see that more in an LCD monitor for some reason. Seems like it was made for CRT and wasn't expected to be used with an LCD. The voodoo 2 does look a bit better. But this upgrade path must have been taken by so many, in 1998 anyone would definitely buy the v2 over the v1 in hopes of carrying it over to future builds. I ran mine with a K5 and then with a P3 600. But only briefly as I upgrade to a V3 then a V5. Thanks for reminding me that the overclock is on the FSB and therefore also on the PCI slots, I forgot about that! 😆 I got the perfect build to stick this V2 in, but first, we have some business to take care of! Cheers, my friend!
Oooh! Quake II AND the K6-2 3DNow patch with Voodoo²! Pretty much = Socket 7 to the MAX ♥:♥
What's the Voltage settings on your motherboard?
And to answer your question: NO I would not!
But then again, never had a Voodoo only Voodoo² = Why would I downgrade EVEN if my CPU was a K6 200MHz - in 1998?
Oh yeah, I want to visit the K6, I never actually owned one. But I would really need a super socket 7 mobo. I'm not sure about the voltage settings, but it's a pure socket 7, wont go over 208 MHz. Deal with answering this is that Internet didn't have all that information back then, many times we didn't know what we were getting into, but you're right, knowing the reality of the performance of these cards and the necessary CPU one should never say yes to this haha.
i did back in 98 i had a p120 and a voodoo 1 8meg i upgraded to a 12 meg voodoo 2 and never looked back and i still have the voodoo 2 all complete in box on the shelf. thinking i may put it in my p166
Voodoo 1 8MB? VERY rare!
And how much for your Voodoo² on the shelf? (better not - be a Creative 12MB one) ;-P
@@dallesamllhals9161 its a techworks power 3d2 and when i looked in side there was all so a creative 12meg as well i think i was going to do sli but got a gforce 2 card and never got round to it i got a p1 166 and a p2 i am going to put it in the p2 and play the old 3dfx games ill not sell it had it 23 years
Oh man, epic that you still have that! Most of us, me included, didn't really have foresight like that and got rid of all the stuff. I used to upgrade frenquently and I used the current card as part of the payment for the next always, so I never kept any original thing. Most of the stuff I have today I had to reacquire throughout the years. Thanks for stopping by to watch the video, have a great weekend!
@@SUCRA I WAS THE SAME AFTER P120 I BUILT a p2 350 then p2 400 still got most of the p1 & p2 chips + mobo`s i give away my 21in crt should never of done that
@@mikespikeey4625 that's too bad. Good CRTs today are not very easy to come by. But we all have gone through that.
Hello, Bruno!
I remember using my VooDoo 1 with my PPro 200 but when I upgraded my system with a P2 300 I also got a pair of 8MB VooDoo2, the system was clearly under heavy CPU bottleneck so I ended up selling one of the 2 cards, sadly I didn't appreciate old hardware back then so I lost track of the VooDoo 1. A way faster PIII or the Slot-A system that I put together later would had taken my VooDoo 2 card to way higher performance but I was already with my mind set on nVidia TNT2 cards.
I need to put together a system for my VooDoo 2 and see for myself how troublesome is to use the newer card in the oldest games.
The Voodoo 1 and a Pentium Pro seems like a great combo! But of course a P2 was a great upgrade, and yeah, 1 Voodoo 2 is quite enough for most games except probably a handful including Quake 2. The TNT2 cards were really a game changer, Nvidia was coming up in the 3d game and it was a strong showing unfortunatelly for 3dfx. Yeah man, put that system together, take some pics, make some vids, let's see it! Thanks for the support!
I watched the Unreal sequence again and if you stop the video or run it with 0.25 or 0.50 speed you will notice that the frame is around 30% lower with the Voodoo 2. The FPS is calculated 1000/frame. The Voodoo 2 runs Unreal with around 30% more fps, not a lot better than the Voodoo 1 but still an improvement.
Yeah the V2 does give you a little boost. I have something better to put it in though. Must get to it 😆
I say that performance gain is... noticeable. I could say that animation is smoother with my blind eye. Sure Pentium 166mhz isn't a CPU for Unreal in general, but I say it's one of the two games where you can say you have gained something from upregade.
Nice one Sucra! Reminds me of back then, when we'd do anything to grab that extra fps! :)
..and YOU won't now? Tee-hee ;-P
Thanks Ted! For sure... I'd always go for the GPU upgrade... massively bottlenecking any CPU I had. At one point I had a voodoo 3 and a pentium 3 600 MHz, then I upgrade the GPU to a voodoo 5 because, voodoo 5.
@@SUCRA Best one for me was grabbing a Celeron 300A and running at a 100 MHZ FSB for an instant killer rig! Ok. only 128 kb cache but at the full speed instead of the half speed of the true PII 450.
I've never actually seen a side-by-side comparison of these two cards, so this is interesting! I felt there was a difference with Unreal, but yes - the margins are small. If anything this gives further proof just how good the Voodoo 1 is - I'd love to see the same comparison on a Pentium II or K6-2 platform.
Well, I'm glad I spiked your curiosity. That second comparison will happen for sure. I got just the system for it. And hey, have a great week! 👍
If you stop the Unreal sequence or run it with 0.25 or 0.50 speed you will notice that the frame is around 30% lower with the Voodoo 2. The FPS is calculated 1000/frame. The Voodoo 2 runs Unreal with around 30% more fps, not a lot better than the Voodoo 1 but still an improvement.
Its great to see someone with a socket 7 setup witb similar graphics setup as im building mine with the Voodoo 2 and S3 Virge DX 4mb
Im actually building an AT Socket 7 Asus with the Evergreen Spectra 400 adapter with the K6-2 400mhz and 512kb COAST L2 cache and a S3 Virge DX 4mb with Voodoo 2 (mb unknown) with a SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 with a Dreamblaster X1 midi adapter and finally a Seagate Cheetah on Scsi with a Aha-2940 card with a 5 1/4in and 3.5in floppy drive and Scsi cd rom drive
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's always nice to see other enthusiasts experimenting with retro gaming hardware and your putting together a killer system! Extra props for the evergreen adapter and the aha SCSI card.
@@SUCRA thanks the voodoo 2 and scsi card was found locally for cheap but the rest was bought on ebay, the Evergreen spectra with K6-2 was a deal from a guy i got for cheap, normally those are expensive and hard to get, i really like hardware from the 90s because it has so many options and obscure computers hardware parts like the MCA channel and the VLB, and i checked and my Voodoo 2 is a 12mb
Sweet, that was good luck on the voodoo!
Want to see next part
Good! 😆 Thanks for watching, have a great week!
Vary nice bro. I had a v3 pci in my old pcchips amd k6-2 300 128mb ram. ran F.A.K.K and rune perfectly. I was late into the game on the voodoos.
Thanks, OCR. Sweet combo the v3 with a k6-2, that video card is one of my favorites. I had my v3 with a pentium II 600, and then probably pointlessly upgrade it to a v5 in 2000. And it's never too late! Have a great weekend!
great content as always! I for my Pentium 233 mmx I preferred to leave the Voodoo 1, all the games run very well and the support for DOS games is much higher.
voodoo2 single or SLI only increase the supported resolution but hardly run titles that do not work with voodoo1
This makes a lot of sense. When I get to use the v2 in another system with a more powerful CPU, I'll give it a got with the v1 to see how much it's being limited by this CPU. Have a great weekend.
@@SUCRA ^= no more on Socket 7?!? Boooh!
@@dallesamllhals9161 there is more, there is always more of everything lol
I wonder how the results would look like with the V1 and V2 on a K6-2 400 mhz (6x66) that is supported by socket 7 motherboards. I think that would be a great video, if you have the time and interest of course :). A lot of people who had socket 7 motherboards and Pentium 1s upgraded to faster K6-2s because it was not necessary to change the motherboard. My first PC was a P166 MMX which I later upgraded to a K6-2 400 on a socket 7 motherboard.
Yeah that would be maxing out the voodoo 1 for sure. That's something I can do once I have setup my pentium II. I'll have a review about it and then an upgrade to the V2. After that I can try a comparison video. Sorry about the long time frame, just lots to do! 👍
@@shaun4bigblocks993 hey, good question. I think it's close here as there weren't gains across the board. But I can investigate further indeed. Have a good one! 👍
But is there any gain in going from voodoo 2 to voodoo 1 for game/os compatibility, or do they work the same?
Hey, how's it going? They mostly work the same but some glide DOS games only work with the voodoo 1 like archimedean dynasty and ef2000. There might be a ways to run them on the voodoo 2, but some tweaking is needed.
I have the same case for my retro pc and I was wondering if you know the brand or wht model is it.
Aopen brand.
I really didn't know, thanks for replying to that.
At least I have one that was sold by Aopen. The case style may have been made by other brands though.
@@Zestypanda Thanks! I think it's made by a company and than sold to others to put their logo on it
In my view the sweet spot for Voodoo2 was around P3 600, it does scale up to P3 800 and anything after is a waste. When it came out the fastest P2 you could get (2 m after Voodoo2 came out) was P2 450. So if you are aiming at that 1998 period correct HW, stick to that.
Im curious to see The same test but with a K6-2 because of the 3Dnow extension also because of the faster speed of the cpu for the Socket 7 since the Evergreen spectra adapter allows for a higher multiplier like 400mhz on motherboards with a 3X multiplier
Same here, I'd love to know what kind of numbers you'll get with this setup. Does the performance scale appropriately with the higher cpu clock? Well, good luck with it, sounds really cool!
@@SUCRA I will definitely try some test like winbench and similar programs with my new setup which is an ASUS P55TP4N when the motherboard will be installed in my Case but from past experience on a Digital venturis FX 2 performance does scale properly and windows does detect the K6-2 @ 400mhz since there’s extra jumpers for voltage and CPU multipliers on the adapter, the bios of the FX-2 didn’t detect the K6-2 it depends on the bios because digital dropped supports of their Pentium era and older long ago but the Socket 7 P55TP4N is still supported by asus and latest bios was in 98 so it may be properly detected
Why pentium mmx 166mhz specifically? Is it the easiest pentium mmx to come across today?
I thought pentium 200s were still easy to come across. If you are lucky you could find a pentium mmx 233mhz.
Hey, how's it going? Oh, it's just a system I had put together for personal use, and other videos for the channel. Nothing special about this CPU. Have a great Sunday! 👍
you can do record demos in hl1
Nice, maybe I'll look for that next time!
You said the main difference between Voodoo 1 and Voodoo 2 was the faster clocks and extra transistors. The real main advantage though was the Voodoo 2 has two Texture mapping units per pixel pipeline vs only one on Voodoo 1. Games that can use multitexturing like quake 2 will clearly show the difference. Also as you mentioned you need a faster processor. The CPU handles T&L (triangle setup) on 3dfx cards, not the graphics card.
The main difference is the sst2, but thanks for complementing the info.
Voodoo1 and drivers rely less on the cpu for its performance. this is most notable with launch drivers and a 6mb voodoo 1 like a canopus pure 3d or a miro highscore 1
the voodoo2 scales better with a faster cpu, but it is my contention that a voodoo1 at 6mb will perform better than an 8mb voodoo2 on anything slower than about a 300mhz p2. it comes down to drivers at that point more than anything but the voodoo1 architecture was designed to run on slower cpu so relied on the cpu for less calculations per cycle afaik. the canopus pure3d box art has some suggestions to this being the case aswell.
but i ran a 12mb voodoo2 on a Pentium 166mmx bitd. it ran fine. upgraded to a 300mhz k62 and it still ran well. i never thought a bottleneck was happening bitd. all my friends computers for reference ran the same games slower so.. i was happy lol
Thanks for this info, I didn't know about the v1 being less taxing on the CPU but it sure makes sense. Unfortunately those 6mb voodoo 1s are hard to come by, I'm yet to see one in person. Hey, have a wonderful weekend, thanks for stopping by.
@@SUCRA 6mb are a bit harder to find, but they are around. I’ve got two in my collection. It’s the 8mb and 10mb voodoo1 cards that are really hard to come by. Sky3d and obsidian3d made those two and they are near impossible to find and when you do… I think the last one was several thousand dollars on eBay…
What's your take on the newly made ones? Some guy made some V1 sli boards, really crazy stuff.
V1 better support with older 3Dfx games.
Interesting, second person that says that, but I haven't run into a game that doesn't run on the v2. Any examples to watch out for?
Cara, boa tarde! Beleza? Eu tenho um sistema parecido, mas estou usando uma voodoo4 PCI, eu atualizei o processador de um pentium 233 mmx para um k6-2 450mhz, mas meu fps no quake 2 não chega nem perto do seu fps com a voodoo 2. Sabe se tem alguma coisa que eu possa melhorar? A placa mãe que estou usando é a asus p5s-b com 128MB de RAM. Obrigado.
Opa! Welcome! Já tentou testar drivers diferentes? Qual resolução vc está usando? Aqui foi 640x480. Abraço.
@@SUCRA Não tentei ainda os drivers, testei tudo em 640x480. Qual driver você está usando? Obrigado.
@@Necr0BR é o último oficial pra voodoo 2, 3.02.02. Procura no site do philscomputerlab.
@@SUCRA Serve para a voodoo 4? É a única 3dfx que tenho...
Desculpa, viajei. Toda forma procura o último driver lá que vai ter. É um que server pra V4 e V5. Fiz algumas comparações da V4 com a V5 no video que indiquei ao final, caso tenha interesse.