Only variable i can see in that is that bad leaders create leaders as well. The dichotomy is the ones that turn out bad as well and the ones that observed the horrid patterns of the bad leader and said to themselves "ok this is what NOT to do"
People who love themselves don't complain they find joy in the little things. People who complain have self loathing and therefore cannot find joy in anything. If they are miserable they want you to be miserable. Misery really does love company.
a chronic complainer becomes impossible if they just want to complain aren't open to help, new idea's or chance. best thing you can ask them in my opinion is what do you want and what do you wish to accomplish by doing this (without judgment) but most of the time people don't even know why they are doing what they are doing
For me Complainers are life lessons to me. I tell my self “ Thank you for the opportunity to improve what I need to change within myself “ I love complainers they make me stronger. Also complainers is only hurting/ stress themselves. I tell myself “ oh well, it’s not hurting me”
Well that's what everyone thinks untill you get sick of them. And once you do, it only gets worse. Imagine if you had a chronic complainer as a parent... Horrible. Definitely not my case
leaders always take the time to listen... the problem is when the people who shouldnt be in those positions end up there, that's when we end up in the majority of corporate structures in the western world
I used to do something similar to this. If people would complain I would hold them accountable for what they were complaining about and made them fix it. After having to be the one to fix the issue and held accountable for it a shift in mindset began to happen. Either issues would get fixed before anyone complained about it or the complaining just stopped. Listening is powerful. You always have to have your ear to the ground listening to what is going on whether it is good or bad and you can catch things before they become a complaint. This is valuable because all it takes is one complainer to infect the team so the leader needs to squash that before everyone's energy gets drained.
My assistant scout master when I was 15 did this to me during a five day hike. He is a retired Green Beret. I never noticed he did this until now. I am now an Eagle Scout and can't stand complainers, and he is part to thank for that.
Jocko articulates a more refined version of what I've slowly been learning over my life. Listening to him has saved me literal years of trial and error.
The cool part about this too is that you get a much better sense of the character of the complainer when they follow through with their plan. They grow and your relationship with them evolves. Whether the outcome is positive or negative, it’s a new opportunity to inspire others and yourself to stay humble and lead with a clear head.
This is a simple but very good and important point. A lot of the time we don't listen and we want to just interject because we are on two far spectrums of a conversation like Echo started saying at the end of the video. Whether you highly disagree with someone and you want to put your 2 cents in to "correct" them or you highly agree with someone and you want to blabber about what you like. The me, me, me starts kicking in. A general rule of thumb I do is give 3 seconds for a persons pause if I can't gauge them since they might be someone I just met. Use your best judgement.
I just wanted to thank you for sharing your wisdom man. It's helped me become a better husband to my wife and better all around man. Thank you so much I appreciate what you do.
@funnyguyhahahaha spoken like a true sedentary person. Oh that person is in better shape? STEROIDS. You wouldnt know steroid use if it choked your ass out
Yep i agree with the listening part, it's crazy the fact that some people need discipline in conversation in order to communicate effectively, I have really thought about this discipline thing & you know what..... My god its so right
I hate chronic complainers first thing in the morning... asking questions and not liking the answers given to them and then have to ask more questions... it’s good in a way, it makes you think about their response before you talk to them but some people just need to know their roles!
I am a firefighter and acting officer at my work. Today I was talking to a young man and the subject of pushing buttons come up. This individual said he didn't understand why you can't knowingly push a person's most interpersonal buttons. What i mean is you know for a fact a person has a mother with a disability and that it would be insensitive to bring this up. I asked him if he brought that up knowing it would make that person mad what does that make him. He said it would make him an ass^#,& but he still didn't know what is wrong with that. I don't understand knowing this makes you an ass$^#& why would you continue. Keep in mind I remained calm during this conversation and he is not pushing my buttons i just don't understand this behavior
you ask for more money to do the task. they can't give you more money? you 'charge' task against time off, breaks, etc... Quantity or Quality; choose one, you can'T have both. You convince all your co-worker you will quit in block if he continue complaining. You effectively quit and you send your reasons to HIS BOSS. just a few ideas on how to deal with a idiot boss.
Complainer: It's hot out me: drink water C: It's still hot out me: Wear a hat to keep the sun off your face C: I don't want to mess up my hair me: suffer and pray for clouds. the sun ain't going anywhere til dusk.
An employee who never takes responsibility or a boss who never listens is a stalemate. If no one listens to a reasonable solution there is nowhere else to go except enforce rules and dismiss the employee because it only takes one complainer to toxify the team (or they might do it themselves).
@@icarus0206 lick you ish to me ,, sweet lishus we ,,both born on the same day dates 15/21 Dates !? ca rib er of tow re ers x4 ,,,dirtae windaes inner leith////crytic or WHAT...sorry thats the scots in me ! ?Be Bess DD.
We had one guy on the team I was managing who was a chronic complainer. He kept suggesting very expensive solutions to problems that have very low revenue. I should have said his negativity was hurting the team, but he already hated the entire business concept. I use to tell myself "Don't play politics at work, it only harms the environment. Just do the best with whatever you have, and be glad you have it." That was a big mistake. We ended up loosing everyone on the team after he came in, and then he quit. It might as well have been an infiltration and sabotage from a competitor.
Legit leadership is based upon competence, and if you are not competet enough to tackle a specific task, you should at least be wise enough to sort out the one who is, even if it is just listening "complaints". That is one of the main reasons I like (and sometimes, dislike) my actual boss.
Your videos are really helpful. I would really appreciate if you could talk about one's inner struggles , residues of past traumatic events and how it affects one's motivation life . How to keep your sanity for example when you grew up knowing that one of your parents hates you ? My self value till today ( I am now 33 ) is still based on the fact that if my own dad couldn't love me , why any one should ? Regardless of how accomplished you are , the sum of you will forever be 0 , this is driving me mad , filling me with endless anger and confuses my moral compass. I dont want to turn into an evil person. Help please ! 💔
I like your theory on this situation. Makes a lot of sense. If this comes up for me in the future, I'm going to run with it... (y) Former SOG Team Leader
Thanks im trying to figure out how to deal with my mom she a Chronic complainer and she complsin all of the of the time it go on an on it like all dayshe never stop thanks now i know what to do
I've got a guy who is a master at finding ways to avoid doing what I want him to do. He has one speed, slow. It's exhausting trying to get him to engage.
I don't think this necessarily applies to that situation because that is a different relationship than co workers. I think in that scenario it ends up being a hard talk. What do they want out of this relationship, what are their expectations, what are they going to do about it. Failing on all fronts, you can't get through to that person: let them go.
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to cope with the most extreme cases is to adjust my expectation that I shouldn't have to be bothered by this. Sometimes you just have to keep enduring the bother.
idk🤔 if its just me but ever since covid🦠 pandemic started & many lockdowns happen so many ppl have become hot headed😡 & so many ppl complain at me i just do my best to stay away from negative ppl
Suppose you’re not in a leadership position. There are people outside of the working environment that complain about the same thing all the time. So much so that you don’t want to talk to them.
Complaining all the time is just a bad habit unless they get a high from it than it’s addiction. I do listen but not every time and not too long, it’s exhausting at some point. Just sayin… My 2 cents lol
I'm not the supervisor. I have a colleague who complains a lot when he is asked to do more work. If he were put in charge he would slice the accountability steps in our job. He's lazy. I'm not sure I'd want to see him in charge. Mistakes in our field can cost millions of dollars or cost lives. I should add that he complains to the rest of us and gossips a LOT. I don't know how much he brings to the supervisor.
Speaking as a chronic interrupter, it's a selfish move. I almost always feel like I'm adding something and not trying to be an ass, but 9 out of 10 times it can wait the few required seconds/minutes for them to finish. Also, the other party will listen to me more if I show the same courtesy. Polite people will deal with it but respect you less for it...as a result you may never realize how badly you are shooting yourself in the foot day to day.
I've come to realize that People's favorite thing is not pizza, not money, not the beach, not sports, not Disneyland, not driving a Maserati, not even sex. People's favorite thing is to complain. Oh, wait. I'm People.
I agree with you Jocko but I’ve seen some personal examples of this going the opposite direction. In my platoon we had a lot of turds in team leader billets because our platoon sgt’s wanted to fix them and their poor attitudes. They became the focus while the good to go guys got shafted.
It's a weird one. In the business sense if you fire someone it means you've failed to integrate them into the team. (I had this happen to a team I managed). I handled it all wrong. I figured I would show him how it works, and give him as much control as he wanted. But, it turned out he didn't want any control. Over the course of 2 years everyone who worked with him quit because he turned them against the job. I should have fired him before his sickness spread. I worked with an amazingly frustrated guy (same team, before complainer guy). He was pissed and had criticisms, but it was clear he wanted to do a great job. He was always helping out, doing more than he needed to, and generally he got a little more out of the rest of us just by example. Not a guy I'd want making decisions, but he was a complainer that made everyone better. The other guy just made everyone resent the job.
@@interfilamentar413 From an elite, high stakes team perspective, that is why you have selection. Identify those that are capable and have the desire to perform at an elite level for a long time. Unfortunately, you lose some of the good ones to circumstance and create some bad ones under changing circumstances (almost always domestic), but each sequential selection refined the overall quality. That is part of the point of things like business schools and rigorous academic sieves. The downside being the development of arrogance and not confident competence in some who will go on to fuck up big time because of their arrogance.
Distinct difference between "promotion and granting someone with the care of others"...and "putting them in charge of something". It is possible an attempt at addressing standards issues led to a move that caused contention. Your situation and your take on it is interesting. If the good to go guys were 'good to go'...in what way were they good to go? Did they improve the team leaders that were lacking? Did everyone support improvement of everyone? Did the 'good to go guys' think they needed to improve? Or did they think they are 100% fine, based on comparison to those who were lacking? Aside from the attempt at being in team leader billits, what else did your E7 do to improve their personal standards? Did anyone bring any of this up to the E7? Did the E7 possibly have other intentions (e.g. putting them more in the spotlight will both highlight the need to improvement as well as encourage it)? Was it not even the E7s decision to do so (maybe they disagreed with it but followed through with it)? I am not making any judgement call - just asking the questions. These are the types of things to really, really think about. You have to truly constantly question yourself and even those you look up to, and really consider if all that can be done is being done. Also consider if the 'right' things are being done, or are ineffective things being done.
Dealing with leadership that is CLEARLY ineffective? How would you suggest overthrowing them if you in fact wished to at least take them out of leadership not necessarily replace them because someone close to you is better? sorry this is so poorly worded and I don't know a better place to put this question by the way cuz you have nothing and your about section thank you grungepuppy
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Ive found that at times the newest guy on the team has great ideas. Why? Because us older guys have done it such a way for so long thats how its done. We over complicate it. Newer guy is so new he doesnt see the complexity.
Sometimes when you listen you’ll second guess yourself and lose a bit of confidence in your original decision.. there are 20 ways to skin a cat and everyone wants to put in their 2 cents.. there’s a very fine line
What about a friend who always plays victim. How many times should you “waste up your time “ on similar nonsense conversations. It’s like my friend disrespects me and my time. It’s always about him if I think about it…
@@abcjelly yes i did that but then we meet again and try again but he seems not to change at all. He’s not a bad person but carries a lot of baggage from the past. But maybe your right and I should distance myself again
yeah unless you have someone who, instead of empathizing with the leaders around them, has such a victim mentality that every time they're put in charge of something they reach the conclusion that they are just incompetent and dumb, and after they cry about it they make someone else should do it and then complain that they're doing it wrong
Echo wants to Blame Bill Put the person in charge and what happens THEY EXCEL AT IT AND NOT JUST 1 JOB DONE BUT 2 JOBS DONE Now what do you say to him " Bill " or Echo
Excellent advice. Eye opening as well. I must of been a "complainer". I considered myself a problem solver. Let's be honest the difference is bits of bitch thrown in
“Don't find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain.”
― Henry Ford
Another good man .1903
He complained pretty heavily when his son took over the company XD
Reminds me of; "The mark of a good leader is not the number of followers he has, but the number of leaders he creates"
ShallowBeThyGames indeed
Only variable i can see in that is that bad leaders create leaders as well. The dichotomy is the ones that turn out bad as well and the ones that observed the horrid patterns of the bad leader and said to themselves "ok this is what NOT to do"
I learn so much here i apply to my everyday life. Jocko is like the uncle i needed. Thanks, man.
Uncle Jocko and Grandpa Peterson
My salty xo
People who love themselves don't complain they find joy in the little things. People who complain have self loathing and therefore cannot find joy in anything. If they are miserable they want you to be miserable. Misery really does love company.
a chronic complainer becomes impossible if they just want to complain aren't open to help, new idea's or chance. best thing you can ask them in my opinion is what do you want and what do you wish to accomplish by doing this (without judgment) but most of the time people don't even know why they are doing what they are doing
I think the older they get they can’t change. They complain because they like being miserable.
For me Complainers are life lessons to me. I tell my self “ Thank you for the opportunity to improve what I need to change within myself “ I love complainers they make me stronger. Also complainers is only hurting/ stress themselves. I tell myself “ oh well, it’s not hurting me”
Well that's what everyone thinks untill you get sick of them. And once you do, it only gets worse.
Imagine if you had a chronic complainer as a parent...
Horrible. Definitely not my case
“Listen to what people are saying”~ so accurate. Most leaders do not take the proper time to listen.
leaders always take the time to listen... the problem is when the people who shouldnt be in those positions end up there, that's when we end up in the majority of corporate structures in the western world
I used to do something similar to this. If people would complain I would hold them accountable for what they were complaining about and made them fix it. After having to be the one to fix the issue and held accountable for it a shift in mindset began to happen. Either issues would get fixed before anyone complained about it or the complaining just stopped. Listening is powerful. You always have to have your ear to the ground listening to what is going on whether it is good or bad and you can catch things before they become a complaint. This is valuable because all it takes is one complainer to infect the team so the leader needs to squash that before everyone's energy gets drained.
My assistant scout master when I was 15 did this to me during a five day hike. He is a retired Green Beret. I never noticed he did this until now. I am now an Eagle Scout and can't stand complainers, and he is part to thank for that.
Jocko articulates a more refined version of what I've slowly been learning over my life. Listening to him has saved me literal years of trial and error.
Jocko - As always, learning more from you everyday!!!!
Echo - And you as well.
The cool part about this too is that you get a much better sense of the character of the complainer when they follow through with their plan. They grow and your relationship with them evolves. Whether the outcome is positive or negative, it’s a new opportunity to inspire others and yourself to stay humble and lead with a clear head.
These podcasts...they are invaluable sources. Great for people who need some counsel and extra help.
This is a simple but very good and important point. A lot of the time we don't listen and we want to just interject because we are on two far spectrums of a conversation like Echo started saying at the end of the video. Whether you highly disagree with someone and you want to put your 2 cents in to "correct" them or you highly agree with someone and you want to blabber about what you like. The me, me, me starts kicking in. A general rule of thumb I do is give 3 seconds for a persons pause if I can't gauge them since they might be someone I just met. Use your best judgement.
Love it. You rock. So simple, so real. There is leadership.
Thank you.
THANK YOU! So many things can be avoided if people would listen.
Listening to others and being in the now is the key. Thank you for saying that.
The key to what? To temporarily feeling like the trite unoriginal self help cliché you've just heard will improve your life?
@@acesul8811 Self help is cliché. The only person who can help yourself is you. I suggest you start there. Let me know if you listen. 😁
Amen cant live with or without you !
Tip number one: RUN.
Active listening skills is key in life.
I just wanted to thank you for sharing your wisdom man. It's helped me become a better husband to my wife and better all around man. Thank you so much I appreciate what you do.
❤”use pauses”-as much as possible-works for me thx
Empowering the people to make things better.
Jocko, great job clarifying why you put them in charge, and how.
Echo, good points.
Jocko out here giving that 4D chess advive
These guys make me proud to be American.
@funnyguyhahahaha Stfu fat pig
@funnyguyhahahaha spoken like a true sedentary person. Oh that person is in better shape? STEROIDS.
You wouldnt know steroid use if it choked your ass out
Yep i agree with the listening part,
it's crazy the fact that some people need discipline in conversation in order to communicate effectively,
I have really thought about this discipline thing & you know what..... My god its so right
I hate chronic complainers first thing in the morning... asking questions and not liking the answers given to them and then have to ask more questions... it’s good in a way, it makes you think about their response before you talk to them but some people just need to know their roles!
I am a firefighter and acting officer at my work. Today I was talking to a young man and the subject of pushing buttons come up. This individual said he didn't understand why you can't knowingly push a person's most interpersonal buttons. What i mean is you know for a fact a person has a mother with a disability and that it would be insensitive to bring this up. I asked him if he brought that up knowing it would make that person mad what does that make him. He said it would make him an ass^#,& but he still didn't know what is wrong with that. I don't understand knowing this makes you an ass$^#& why would you continue. Keep in mind I remained calm during this conversation and he is not pushing my buttons i just don't understand this behavior
How would you go about this if the chronic complainer is above your chain of command ?
Good ? Man I hope he does 1 more on this
or one of your kids!
you ask for more money to do the task.
they can't give you more money? you 'charge' task against time off, breaks, etc...
Quantity or Quality; choose one, you can'T have both.
You convince all your co-worker you will quit in block if he continue complaining.
You effectively quit and you send your reasons to HIS BOSS.
just a few ideas on how to deal with a idiot boss.
Great format and subject .... subbed
This will be great to learn more about myself, ty
...sometimes people interrupt not because their own interest and dis someone out but to speed up process or discussion.
Complainer: It's hot out
me: drink water
C: It's still hot out
me: Wear a hat to keep the sun off your face
C: I don't want to mess up my hair
me: suffer and pray for clouds. the sun ain't going anywhere til dusk.
Jocko and echo the best
And how to tackle the comeback " it's not my job, above my pay grade " etc ?
Pull it off beautiful & im gonna try to get you the pay grade you want
An employee who never takes responsibility or a boss who never listens is a stalemate. If no one listens to a reasonable solution there is nowhere else to go except enforce rules and dismiss the employee because it only takes one complainer to toxify the team (or they might do it themselves).
@@icarus0206 lick you ish to me ,, sweet lishus we ,,both born on the same day dates 15/21 Dates !? ca rib er of tow re ers x4 ,,,dirtae windaes inner leith////crytic or WHAT...sorry thats the scots in me ! ?Be Bess DD.
We had one guy on the team I was managing who was a chronic complainer. He kept suggesting very expensive solutions to problems that have very low revenue. I should have said his negativity was hurting the team, but he already hated the entire business concept. I use to tell myself "Don't play politics at work, it only harms the environment. Just do the best with whatever you have, and be glad you have it." That was a big mistake. We ended up loosing everyone on the team after he came in, and then he quit. It might as well have been an infiltration and sabotage from a competitor.
@@interfilamentar413 Witie YTe...google giggle on beta blockers
I cannot stop looking at echos arms, look at those fuckin pipes bro
Always loved a little bit of a whinge you know 🤘❤️🔥Jocko the man always will be
Hi Jocko, could you try to get David Goggins on? A lot of people would love to see an interview between you two!
Jeeze you can see the fibers in Echo's bi's
Those are tats
Legit leadership is based upon competence, and if you are not competet enough to tackle a specific task, you should at least be wise enough to sort out the one who is, even if it is just listening "complaints". That is one of the main reasons I like (and sometimes, dislike) my actual boss.
What if they don't want to lead because they don't think it's their responsibility?
Your videos are really helpful. I would really appreciate if you could talk about one's inner struggles , residues of past traumatic events and how it affects one's motivation life . How to keep your sanity for example when you grew up knowing that one of your parents hates you ? My self value till today ( I am now 33 ) is still based on the fact that if my own dad couldn't love me , why any one should ? Regardless of how accomplished you are , the sum of you will forever be 0 , this is driving me mad , filling me with endless anger and confuses my moral compass. I dont want to turn into an evil person. Help please ! 💔
I'm a chronic complainer. Jacko, goggins, an Wes Watson showed me I am. It has humbled me greatly an is turning me full force the fuck around
the end had me cracking up hahaha
Rush Voorhis Outdoors that was the best bit, imagining a mini jocko talking about aggression
Good tactics AND smoothly delivered. Thanks for that.
Some people aren't happy unless they aren't happy.
I like your theory on this situation. Makes a lot of sense. If this comes up for me in the future, I'm going to run with it... (y) Former SOG Team Leader
This is what I needed
this i very nice podcast channel.
I keep learning everday some new stuff to use in life.
thank you for uplaoding greets form the Netherlands 💪🏽👏🏻👌🏻
Jij ook al? 😉
I don’t handle chronic complainers, I walk away!!
Thanks im trying to figure out how to deal with my mom she a Chronic complainer and she complsin all of the of the time it go on an on it like all dayshe never stop thanks now i know what to do
Excellent! I like it!
“Son, you’re the man of the house now. I’ll be back from the gas station after I get some cigarettes”
What if the complainer is incompetent?
Then simply let them fuck up. I let some of the cunts working for me do that all the time.
Fire them?
😂😂I would say no no no. Humbling experience.
Know no now !! oops!
I've got a guy who is a master at finding ways to avoid doing what I want him to do. He has one speed, slow. It's exhausting trying to get him to engage.
You see this at work all the time. They’ll call you a try-hard for doing the minimum.
Chronic Complaining = Chronic Action-Listening
Would you take this approach with clients with fitness and nutrition? Clients that struggle with consistency and always resort to complaining?
I don't think this necessarily applies to that situation because that is a different relationship than co workers. I think in that scenario it ends up being a hard talk. What do they want out of this relationship, what are their expectations, what are they going to do about it. Failing on all fronts, you can't get through to that person: let them go.
There is nothing you can do if it’s your spouse short of leaving that person. It feels like they have a sickness.
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to cope with the most extreme cases is to adjust my expectation that I shouldn't have to be bothered by this. Sometimes you just have to keep enduring the bother.
criy sis , cry tesla tears of joy ce sti vi k !
Ignore em. Make em look bad.
why is that one spot on his biceps so shiny?
idk🤔 if its just me but ever since covid🦠 pandemic started & many lockdowns happen so many ppl have become hot headed😡 & so many ppl complain at me
i just do my best to stay away from negative ppl
1st comment!! I never catch this when it first drops! Literally excited!!
Braden Zeigler glad you finally peaked. Sincere congratulations!
and you wasted it impressively. well done. :)
Suppose you’re not in a leadership position. There are people outside of the working environment that complain about the same thing all the time. So much so that you don’t want to talk to them.
Complaining all the time is just a bad habit unless they get a high from it than it’s addiction. I do listen but not every time and not too long, it’s exhausting at some point. Just sayin… My 2 cents lol
Please, please interview David Goggins
romobeat1771 Navy Seals hate David Goggins! Just ask one.
@@ronandheather3079 Even if that were 'true' - it would not necessitate that Jocko shouldn't interview him.
Complainung about complainurs thats a new wun 😂🤣
I'm not the supervisor. I have a colleague who complains a lot when he is asked to do more work. If he were put in charge he would slice the accountability steps in our job. He's lazy. I'm not sure I'd want to see him in charge. Mistakes in our field can cost millions of dollars or cost lives. I should add that he complains to the rest of us and gossips a LOT. I don't know how much he brings to the supervisor.
Speaking as a chronic interrupter, it's a selfish move. I almost always feel like I'm adding something and not trying to be an ass, but 9 out of 10 times it can wait the few required seconds/minutes for them to finish. Also, the other party will listen to me more if I show the same courtesy. Polite people will deal with it but respect you less for it...as a result you may never realize how badly you are shooting yourself in the foot day to day.
Jocko, get Nick Norris on the podcast!
Jocko: You just made this point...
Echo: 🙂
Jocko:...that I made.
Echo: 😠
Is a chronic complainer someone who hates good weed?
Shut up
@@lukebrown3709 hey hey let's here em out bro lol
@@ferrallderrall6588 I don't like drugs man haha
@@lukebrown3709 drug's dont like you ya damn chronic complainer...
I've come to realize that People's favorite thing is not pizza, not money, not the beach, not sports, not Disneyland, not driving a Maserati, not even sex. People's favorite thing is to complain. Oh, wait. I'm People.
I'll bet Ecco has a wicked falsetto! Lol. Like the beegees. Haha. It's all love!
Wish my boss listened to this. I’d love to jump in and help fix the company. I’ve got time to do it. Management doesn’t.
…I think you’re missing the point.
You’re the moaner who needs humbling 😂
@@benironside1264 Help me with the point then!!!
🤣🤣🤣 cute. That works about 10% or the time.
Bombs, “Listen to their moves”. Watch what they do not what they say
I agree with you Jocko but I’ve seen some personal examples of this going the opposite direction. In my platoon we had a lot of turds in team leader billets because our platoon sgt’s wanted to fix them and their poor attitudes. They became the focus while the good to go guys got shafted.
In some combat roles, that might get good soldiers killed because they aren't in the turd clique.
It's a weird one. In the business sense if you fire someone it means you've failed to integrate them into the team. (I had this happen to a team I managed). I handled it all wrong. I figured I would show him how it works, and give him as much control as he wanted. But, it turned out he didn't want any control. Over the course of 2 years everyone who worked with him quit because he turned them against the job. I should have fired him before his sickness spread. I worked with an amazingly frustrated guy (same team, before complainer guy). He was pissed and had criticisms, but it was clear he wanted to do a great job. He was always helping out, doing more than he needed to, and generally he got a little more out of the rest of us just by example. Not a guy I'd want making decisions, but he was a complainer that made everyone better. The other guy just made everyone resent the job.
@@interfilamentar413 From an elite, high stakes team perspective, that is why you have selection. Identify those that are capable and have the desire to perform at an elite level for a long time. Unfortunately, you lose some of the good ones to circumstance and create some bad ones under changing circumstances (almost always domestic), but each sequential selection refined the overall quality. That is part of the point of things like business schools and rigorous academic sieves. The downside being the development of arrogance and not confident competence in some who will go on to fuck up big time because of their arrogance.
Distinct difference between "promotion and granting someone with the care of others"...and "putting them in charge of something". It is possible an attempt at addressing standards issues led to a move that caused contention.
Your situation and your take on it is interesting. If the good to go guys were 'good to go'...in what way were they good to go? Did they improve the team leaders that were lacking? Did everyone support improvement of everyone? Did the 'good to go guys' think they needed to improve? Or did they think they are 100% fine, based on comparison to those who were lacking? Aside from the attempt at being in team leader billits, what else did your E7 do to improve their personal standards? Did anyone bring any of this up to the E7? Did the E7 possibly have other intentions (e.g. putting them more in the spotlight will both highlight the need to improvement as well as encourage it)? Was it not even the E7s decision to do so (maybe they disagreed with it but followed through with it)?
I am not making any judgement call - just asking the questions. These are the types of things to really, really think about. You have to truly constantly question yourself and even those you look up to, and really consider if all that can be done is being done. Also consider if the 'right' things are being done, or are ineffective things being done.
Get some!!
Dealing with leadership that is CLEARLY ineffective? How would you suggest overthrowing them if you in fact wished to at least take them out of leadership not necessarily replace them because someone close to you is better? sorry this is so poorly worded and I don't know a better place to put this question by the way cuz you have nothing and your about section thank you
grungepuppy
A one size fits all solution that assumes a lot.
Amen a real leader listens to problems and helps with the soulations to solve it true leadership!!!!! God Bless!!!!
Amend and atone my friend s
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Ive found that at times the newest guy on the team has great ideas. Why? Because us older guys have done it such a way for so long thats how its done. We over complicate it. Newer guy is so new he doesnt see the complexity.
How do you deal with your boss being a cancerous chronic complainer?
Sometimes when you listen you’ll second guess yourself and lose a bit of confidence in your original decision.. there are 20 ways to skin a cat and everyone wants to put in their 2 cents.. there’s a very fine line
i react humorous to this, I'll maximize his/her complain to the absolute limit until the person laughs and leaves me alone with the complaining.
00:15 sincere question, what are those lines in the guy's biceps? freaky
muscle fibers probably
Give them a chance to take ownership of their complaints.
What about a friend who always plays victim. How many times should you “waste up your time “ on similar nonsense conversations. It’s like my friend disrespects me and my time. It’s always about him if I think about it…
@Richard
its time to unfriend him/her. Have🤔 you done that yet? Its gonna be 1 of the best decisions in life
@@abcjelly yes i did that but then we meet again and try again but he seems not to change at all. He’s not a bad person but carries a lot of baggage from the past. But maybe your right and I should distance myself again
Complainers ate never happy unless they are moaning,they feed off drama as well.
yeah unless you have someone who, instead of empathizing with the leaders around them, has such a victim mentality that every time they're put in charge of something they reach the conclusion that they are just incompetent and dumb, and after they cry about it they make someone else should do it and then complain that they're doing it wrong
Echo wants to Blame Bill Put the person in charge and what happens THEY EXCEL AT IT AND NOT JUST 1 JOB DONE BUT 2 JOBS DONE Now what do you say to him " Bill " or Echo
jocko red pinned my true blue you...cheers tae the red mate...check please for ma suns sakes
"Good"
A leader who brushes off accountability and responsibility to others, is not viewed as a leader and doesn't get respected.
Chronic Complainers.....You fuck up and Marry them.
Excellent advice. Eye opening as well. I must of been a "complainer". I considered myself a problem solver. Let's be honest the difference is bits of bitch thrown in
is that guys biceps fibers visible or is that tatto? wth