Chains are the best way to go anyway. I can't wait until polaris does away with belts on all their side by sides and goes the same way as yamaha. If it works on their motorcycles it works on the sxs's.
I may not be a fan of long chains going to sprockets near the wheels (a couple of his projects do this), where I keep getting mental images of they or their sprockets getting wrecked, or turning into flails of doom, but I have zero issues with what Chris is proposing. Heck, I marvel at his creations, chain drive or not, because of his sheer ingenuity and how he works around and resolves issues in ways I wouldn't conceive of, because of my personal prejudices on certain methodoligies.
If people don't like chain drives, they can build their own machines without them!! Build what you want based upon your own creativity and likes dude. That's why we consume your content!!
@@djmjr77 I suggested that years ago. It's a recurrent theme. 😄 He's said why he doesn't want to do that but realistically, it would be a huge benefit. Suggested a crane like this one ... th-cam.com/video/BBNx4yRdybo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kzSyGaWVNM28ANzt
@@MotoMattMania It's not complicated to make an adapter kit for them tho. Heck, depending on what angle he puts it at, it probably can be already bought from an existing use.
Wow, after seeing the test drive of that engine in the other kart😮. Pulling it out and using it in a better chassis is an excellent idea. ✔️ here for chain drive👍.
It's a two-stroke engine so the cylinders don't need point upwards. By making the intake pipes you can put the carburetors in the right position even if the cylinders point 45 degree to back or backwards, for example. This might help when the frame is small.Greetings from Finland.
I love your video because I feel included. "In today's video, WE...." I think it's time to do a full custom exhaust so you can really put the engine where it needs to be.
If you find a 90° box like the one Cars and Cameras used in their latest project. The engine can be placed longitudinally and the CVT can go directly on the gearbox/Diff.
I am rebuilding an old Honda F350 odyssey. I am using a Subaru R160 rear diff so my engine will be turned side ways. One interesting thing I found was the Subaru axles and the Polaris axles use the same spline. That means I can use XP1000 stock axles and they slide right into the Subaru diff splines. Using all Polaris XP1000 suspension parts. Those are heavy so I figure I wont be constantly breaking things and the parts are super easy to find and cheap. So are tires/wheels.
Gonna comment again, you need to look at the arctic cat engines from the f5/6/7 and crossfire as well. They are a lay down design (more slightly slanted), EFI, and the exhaust and intake are on the same side. They are literally perfect for these projects.
Chris, I don't personally see any issue with what you are proposing. I may have a personal distaste for excessively long chain drives, to the wheels, due to my fear they'll turn into a flail of doom, or get caught on something, but what you are proposing doesn't count. Your jackshaft solution worked perfectly!
You don't have to answer to the internet dude. Those of us who have similar hobbies are here to watch you do you. To learn from a full time, professional hobbyist. The guys that carry on in comments are angry about something, they just don't know what
oooo im excitedddd. From scratch with no "how to" makes building infinitely more difficult. Been following for years and years, and you continue to improve!
Cut & weld your expansion chamber where you need it. You won't change the Power band much if at all. That or better yet, get an aftermarket expansion chamber or full exhaust.
You could get a more compact trans like a rzr 900 trans would be perfect for this ! And you can still get 4x4 too ! But keep doing you buddy !! Love the channel always look forward to Sundays !!!
Hi, Chris turn the motor 90, run a 90 box, put the clutch on the gearbox, and line up the two clutches you will need to make the tapered adapter for the motor to the gearbox and one for the clutch side, too. this will take care of all this room trouble.
You can't make everybody happy Chris, although it would be cool if you ever do build something strictly shaft drive. Regardless, don't forget you have a lot of people that love everything you do. And a little jackshaft never hurt anybody. On that note, I have to say I'm really, REALLY digging this build, even if you didn't put the body on it, this is the sickest looking cart you've ever built, if you ask me. Keep it up, we love you, brother.
I want to see your next project with MORE chains. Imagine a 4WD buggy with full suspension, and all chain driven. You could model the front like an old vw beetle torsion beam and you guessed it, Chain drive it all. You could call it chain-ception. Shafts / belts are over rated just like ridiculous youtube comments. Build what YOU want. I will watch regardless. :)
U can move the engine way forward and custom fab the manifold- fairly easy too do bro 🫡 then fab the expansion pipe out the rear will change the peak power but not by much
Everyone in the comments acting like they built mini lifted muscle cars all their lifes lol Nah fr if chris didn’t like something about his project or gained new knowledge he’d always improve it and he has an incredibly steep learning curve
I wouldn't look for another motor the one you took from the other build looks like it was meant to be there. Loving the progress can't wait for the next video on it. Oh don't worry about the chain on the jack shaft sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. All that matters is if it rips and you're enjoying it.
A 2 stroke engine is a dry sump engine, so can be tilted backwards or forwards. The limiting factor is keeping the float bowls on the carburettors level, so may require re-fabbing an inlet manifold.
Who says you can't use two belts and the jackshaft? Then you can run second set as 1 to 1, or get out there and make them really hook up since you're using the two speed axle, and let second gear build the mid range and top speed part of the setup. Then it'll have a real hole shot that'll keep the tires from just spinning instantly. Remember tourqe moves the mass, and horse power gives you top end
Call it a Timing Chain.. to really piss them haters off…? 😂Do what will work! Enjoying the creative process! Plus Reminder Transfer cases, doublers and many vehicles have chains.. just need to find them..
That is a really cool looking build! I like the shape. It would be awesome to see that built in a large enough size where you could sit completely inside it.
I don't mind the chain drives, i just think that you should challenge yourself more, that's all. IMHO, chain drive represent for you (the builder) a place where you've been. Personally, i'm invested in seeing you grow, because that noggin of yours is full of wonders. But hey, if you feel like you need to use a chain drive to save a few coins here and there (or time), then that's ok too. You're still building awesome things that most people don't. End of the day, that's a great +1 to have. Looking forward to see this rip the road, if my napkin math is right, this is going to have a lot of motive power behind the wheels.
You know what’s interesting? This build will look pretty awesome without the fiberglass body on it at all. That tube chassis has taken on the shape of the fiberglass body so it looks great as it sits right now. Just a thought.
I;m just spitting out an idea, but to get the wheels inside the body why not split the body down the middle and add a couple of inches in between the two sides, then add some wide wheel arches. it'll give you some practice with fiberglass fabrication. plus it would look awsome.
@@somenygaard no no no... commenter WRONG. lol But really I do LIKE the 2 stroke sound, but 4 stroke is much more of a gut moving sound, and fits what you see muscle cars having. 2 strokes don't fit the muscle car idea, tho it is a very good engine still
@@TheDanielKelly I have always liked 2stroke. I had an Suzuki RG500 and a Kawasaki H2 . Have you seen the old Volvo with a mercury outboard v8 with 8 individual expansion chambers?
Turn the tri-y header 90° up so the expansion chamber goes back instead of forward. The space saving will allow the engine to move forward, and possibly sideways to make up the 4” difference.
If you shortened the exhaust manifold ,the tubes leading to the collector could be shortened back to the bolt on plate.Visualize it that will give you at least another 4 inches less on your exhaust/ expansion chamber. That would allow you to move engine towards the transmission.
I like the chains. I was thinking if you wanted with your configuration. You could use gears. Straight cut or hex wouldn't matter. It would look cool open gears always a crowd pleaser. Wheel wells would be cool.
I think you already talked about this but a four stroke electric start motor would be a cool way to go like an atv engine of some sort. Maybe Honda or Yamaha 4x4 quad. They have gearboxes usually too so it could be a semi auto for better offroad control.
Could have tried a Kohler 440 engine! (The classic two-stroke, the Rupp 440 Nitro snowmobile's engine. Inline twin. My late dad had a 440 Nitro, and my mom a 340, when I was a kid. Both were dang fast!)
If it's going through a Jack shaft the motor could be rotated so the exhaust is at the back. Or you could use an outboard prop drive to turn it longitudinally instead of transverse.
I wish someone would make a kit for a common mass produced go kart or maybe a custom frame kit that uses donor 4 wheeler for engine and suspension parts. Maybe you could do some merchandise based giveaways. How much money in just materials is needed solely for the frame?
How about building an old school RC-buggy but in go-kart size? One of those with mono shocks mounted horizontally. Like a Tamiya Hotshot or a Yokomo Dogfighter YZ834. Due to the layout it wouldn't have any damping for roll, and it would definitely need anti-sway-bars. One with a chain driven 4wd would be wild
Why not do a jackshaft that's belt driven instead of chains.... That would make the haters shut up and it would be quieter. 😁👍 😂 Edit: OMG this thing is looking so good.... I can't wait to see what it's capable of when it's done. 😍🖤
Do the builds the way you want. You cant make everyone happy, especially on the internet. If you're enjoying building, we will be entertained.
Agreed. We, the comments section, should be here to help problem solve. Let the creator create!
Chains are the best way to go anyway. I can't wait until polaris does away with belts on all their side by sides and goes the same way as yamaha. If it works on their motorcycles it works on the sxs's.
I may not be a fan of long chains going to sprockets near the wheels (a couple of his projects do this), where I keep getting mental images of they or their sprockets getting wrecked, or turning into flails of doom, but I have zero issues with what Chris is proposing.
Heck, I marvel at his creations, chain drive or not, because of his sheer ingenuity and how he works around and resolves issues in ways I wouldn't conceive of, because of my personal prejudices on certain methodoligies.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself 👌🏻
If people don't like chain drives, they can build their own machines without them!!
Build what you want based upon your own creativity and likes dude. That's why we consume your content!!
Chris, you should build a sliding gantry above your work table.. prob like a days work, and save your back
@@djmjr77 I suggested that years ago. It's a recurrent theme. 😄 He's said why he doesn't want to do that but realistically, it would be a huge benefit.
Suggested a crane like this one ...
th-cam.com/video/BBNx4yRdybo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kzSyGaWVNM28ANzt
He’s talked about it and he says his rafters are not strong enough. But the weight he normally has should be fine with minimal bracing
Since day one..I've watched your builds because of your talent,SO KEEP DOING & BUILDING YOUR IDEAS.!!
One tipp.... 2 stroke engines can be mounted in any direction ( up side down and ctr...) you can ley down cylinders,no need for them to stay upside
I was thinking the same thing. But then the issue of the carbs and the possibility of running issues might not have been worth it to Chris
@@MotoMattMania It's not complicated to make an adapter kit for them tho. Heck, depending on what angle he puts it at, it probably can be already bought from an existing use.
@aserta right, but with recent engine issues he's been dealing with, he might not want to risk more issues trying to get it running right
@@MotoMattMania mikuni sbn type carbs can be run in any orientation
I love that you are still working in the same shed, not some fancy big shop and have a cocky attitude to go along with the big shop
Now THIS is going to be a wicked creation!! I can't wait to see her rip!
Wow, after seeing the test drive of that engine in the other kart😮. Pulling it out and using it in a better chassis is an excellent idea.
✔️ here for chain drive👍.
You now it’s a good day when you wake up and rather b weldings made a new video.
Your chain drive is so much better in many ways. The last 70 years of Moto-racing says much for chain drive.
Chris, you have such amazing toys. You literally should be in a big shop.
Cantilever rear suspension man!
It's a two-stroke engine so the cylinders don't need point upwards. By making the intake pipes you can put the carburetors in the right position even if the cylinders point 45 degree to back or backwards, for example. This might help when the frame is small.Greetings from Finland.
That kart would be a riot on the salt flats
I love your video because I feel included. "In today's video, WE...."
I think it's time to do a full custom exhaust so you can really put the engine where it needs to be.
If you find a 90° box like the one Cars and Cameras used in their latest project. The engine can be placed longitudinally and the CVT can go directly on the gearbox/Diff.
I am rebuilding an old Honda F350 odyssey. I am using a Subaru R160 rear diff so my engine will be turned side ways. One interesting thing I found was the Subaru axles and the Polaris axles use the same spline. That means I can use XP1000 stock axles and they slide right into the Subaru diff splines. Using all Polaris XP1000 suspension parts. Those are heavy so I figure I wont be constantly breaking things and the parts are super easy to find and cheap. So are tires/wheels.
That 90 degree box wouldn't last the first drop of the hammer on that monster motor
Gonna comment again, you need to look at the arctic cat engines from the f5/6/7 and crossfire as well. They are a lay down design (more slightly slanted), EFI, and the exhaust and intake are on the same side. They are literally perfect for these projects.
That was a lot of progress in one video! Solid work, again!
Shootout from South Africa.. Big fan... God bless and thanks for the great show..
Pretty creative ideas to get that motor and drive line to fit. Build them the way you want to after all you have the right to do that.🙂🙂🙂
FYI snowmobiles use a chaincase to turn the auger that spins the track.
Chris, I don't personally see any issue with what you are proposing.
I may have a personal distaste for excessively long chain drives, to the wheels, due to my fear they'll turn into a flail of doom, or get caught on something, but what you are proposing doesn't count.
Your jackshaft solution worked perfectly!
Multiple Polaris VES 700 Twins on ebay. Much lighter and more usable power, easier to tune. You'd love this engine imo
This thing is going to absolutely rip, I can't wait to see the finished product.
Roller chains are capable of handling torque, hi speed they are versatile and smooth. Use them. Great as always!
You don't have to answer to the internet dude. Those of us who have similar hobbies are here to watch you do you. To learn from a full time, professional hobbyist. The guys that carry on in comments are angry about something, they just don't know what
oooo im excitedddd. From scratch with no "how to" makes building infinitely more difficult. Been following for years and years, and you continue to improve!
Cut & weld your expansion chamber where you need it. You won't change the Power band much if at all. That or better yet, get an aftermarket expansion chamber or full exhaust.
I can picture three fmf expansion chambers curling over that monster 😂😂
You could get a more compact trans like a rzr 900 trans would be perfect for this ! And you can still get 4x4 too ! But keep doing you buddy !! Love the channel always look forward to Sundays !!!
Hi, Chris turn the motor 90, run a 90 box, put the clutch on the gearbox, and line up the two clutches you will need to make the tapered adapter for the motor to the gearbox and one for the clutch side, too. this will take care of all this room trouble.
Personally I like seeing chain drives that work!!! Your projects are unusual and effective… super cool stuff
This guy is so good man, I'm building a buggy with same trans with fst 750 turbo snowmobile engine 2 cyl 4 stroke
Chris, the 3 cylinder XLT engine delivers excellent power, smoothly! This project is coming together nicely, Chris!
You can't make everybody happy Chris, although it would be cool if you ever do build something strictly shaft drive. Regardless, don't forget you have a lot of people that love everything you do. And a little jackshaft never hurt anybody. On that note, I have to say I'm really, REALLY digging this build, even if you didn't put the body on it, this is the sickest looking cart you've ever built, if you ask me. Keep it up, we love you, brother.
I’m pumped for this build, that possible monza spider body looks so good!
looking good! those two stroke snowmobile engines sound so good!
It's looking Great Chris. If you make even cuts in the wheel wells, you can use the cut-out pieces to reshape by patching them in. Seeya next time.
I want to see your next project with MORE chains. Imagine a 4WD buggy with full suspension, and all chain driven. You could model the front like an old vw beetle torsion beam and you guessed it, Chain drive it all. You could call it chain-ception. Shafts / belts are over rated just like ridiculous youtube comments. Build what YOU want. I will watch regardless. :)
I like chain drive in fact love chain driven vehicles ❤ great work 😊
U can move the engine way forward and custom fab the manifold- fairly easy too do bro 🫡 then fab the expansion pipe out the rear will change the peak power but not by much
Awsome video, glad to see the hard work paying off. Can't wait till your ripping that car around. Have a great day.
C'mon Chris!
We Know You Have
A Plan For It To Fit!
Can't Wait For The
First Drive! ☮️💜🇺🇸
That cart is a death trap thank God your taking it and putting it in the muscle car 😂
Everyone in the comments acting like they built mini lifted muscle cars all their lifes lol
Nah fr if chris didn’t like something about his project or gained new knowledge he’d always improve it and he has an incredibly steep learning curve
Excellent build😊😊😊
Keep it up mate having fun is the main point
When that bump stop compresses it's definitely going to hit that primary
Love to see the mini baha do some wheelies and steer with the rear brakes.
I wouldn't look for another motor the one you took from the other build looks like it was meant to be there. Loving the progress can't wait for the next video on it. Oh don't worry about the chain on the jack shaft sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. All that matters is if it rips and you're enjoying it.
Gonna be epic.. can’t wait to see this one done!
Keep it up. This thing is gonna be a ripper.
A 2 stroke engine is a dry sump engine, so can be tilted backwards or forwards. The limiting factor is keeping the float bowls on the carburettors level, so may require re-fabbing an inlet manifold.
Spring loaded/roller skate wheel like chain tensioner would work awesome on it. All ATV drag racing shops have them for sale.
Frm CHICAGO
Great combo with the short chain
Do what you gotta do! It will be awesome!!!
Maybe a electric version in the future .like the videos,amazing builds and fabrication,welding ,designing.
Who says you can't use two belts and the jackshaft?
Then you can run second set as 1 to 1, or get out there and make them really hook up since you're using the two speed axle, and let second gear build the mid range and top speed part of the setup.
Then it'll have a real hole shot that'll keep the tires from just spinning instantly.
Remember tourqe moves the mass, and horse power gives you top end
Love it bro! Keep up the good work!
He say it very heavy and I'm surprised that the little rope holding it 😂
Call it a Timing Chain.. to really piss them haters off…? 😂Do what will work! Enjoying the creative process! Plus Reminder Transfer cases, doublers and many vehicles have chains.. just need to find them..
Fk the people who don't like chain drive!
Keep doing you bro,
Absolutely love the channel 👍👍👍
PREDATOR 670 SUPERCHARGED!! 🇺🇸
Yes! Terrifyingly fast is perfect! Good choice.
That is a really cool looking build! I like the shape. It would be awesome to see that built in a large enough size where you could sit completely inside it.
You need to take a trip up north in the spring and bulk buy snowmobiles.
Weight distribution is like vespa on that gocart and those vespas was some dangerous machines
I don't mind the chain drives, i just think that you should challenge yourself more, that's all. IMHO, chain drive represent for you (the builder) a place where you've been. Personally, i'm invested in seeing you grow, because that noggin of yours is full of wonders. But hey, if you feel like you need to use a chain drive to save a few coins here and there (or time), then that's ok too. You're still building awesome things that most people don't. End of the day, that's a great +1 to have. Looking forward to see this rip the road, if my napkin math is right, this is going to have a lot of motive power behind the wheels.
You know what’s interesting? This build will look pretty awesome without the fiberglass body on it at all. That tube chassis has taken on the shape of the fiberglass body so it looks great as it sits right now. Just a thought.
You need to be in a multi-million dollar shop with employees! Great work!
I;m just spitting out an idea, but to get the wheels inside the body why not split the body down the middle and add a couple of inches in between the two sides, then add some wide wheel arches. it'll give you some practice with fiberglass fabrication. plus it would look awsome.
love your vids watching from germany
That engine will have good power. Just sad it isn't a 4 stroke for that true "muscle car" sound
Loving the build so far! Makes me want to make one!
Blasphemy!! Two stroke sound > 4 stroke sound.
@@somenygaard no no no... commenter WRONG. lol
But really I do LIKE the 2 stroke sound, but 4 stroke is much more of a gut moving sound, and fits what you see muscle cars having. 2 strokes don't fit the muscle car idea, tho it is a very good engine still
@@TheDanielKelly I have always liked 2stroke. I had an Suzuki RG500 and a Kawasaki H2 . Have you seen the old Volvo with a mercury outboard v8 with 8 individual expansion chambers?
@@TheDanielKelly Volvo with 2 stroke mercury outboard v8
th-cam.com/video/AyXr7a2b3vo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=RNY7whqvfWt7AxOg
@@somenygaard Just looked up those 2 bikes. They look pretty sweet. And no I haven't seen that
Can't wait to see it done
Turn the tri-y header 90° up so the expansion chamber goes back instead of forward. The space saving will allow the engine to move forward, and possibly sideways to make up the 4” difference.
It'll be a ripper!
If ya ever make it around Minneapolis, I got a 92 Polaris indy 400 liquid cooled.
The rubber bumper on the shock is gonna squish some more and the belt deflection is fine tuned with the 3 bolts on the front of the driven clutch
nice build
Def go twin cylinder..the triples are nice but really temperamental
If you shortened the exhaust manifold ,the tubes leading to the collector could be shortened back to the bolt on plate.Visualize it that will give you at least another 4 inches less on your exhaust/ expansion chamber. That would allow you to move engine towards the transmission.
This thing is gonna be a nasty little thing. In a good way. This looks like it's gonna be fun.
The only time I like chain only drives in on a motorcycle. Everywhere else they are flexible enough to use.
I like the chains. I was thinking if you wanted with your configuration. You could use gears. Straight cut or hex wouldn't matter. It would look cool open gears always a crowd pleaser. Wheel wells would be cool.
Love the build, maybe think about a wide body kit.
I think you already talked about this but a four stroke electric start motor would be a cool way to go like an atv engine of some sort. Maybe Honda or Yamaha 4x4 quad. They have gearboxes usually too so it could be a semi auto for better offroad control.
Could have tried a Kohler 440 engine! (The classic two-stroke, the Rupp 440 Nitro snowmobile's engine. Inline twin. My late dad had a 440 Nitro, and my mom a 340, when I was a kid. Both were dang fast!)
thinking it as Up-cycling parts. I think the engine will work better in this build.
Looking good
awd at this scale is bad bidnis cant wait to see the outcome of this
Remember to lift with your back!! 100% back.
A banshee motor would’ve been sick , but still great use of the 3 cylinder
That would be epic to have a banshee in there!
@@DestinationDesert so it can sit cause it’s never gonna run right.
Banshee is kick start only and would be a huge pain to get it to start up.
@ that is true didn’t think that far 😂 , imagine stalling n having to unbuckle get out kick start
Might be a good thing to disassemble that death machine 😂 4:10
Remember, Chris two strokes can be mounted in any direction upside down even
I like chain drive!
If it's going through a Jack shaft the motor could be rotated so the exhaust is at the back.
Or you could use an outboard prop drive to turn it longitudinally instead of transverse.
I own a dirt gokart track in middle tn if you ever need a place to test MORRISON SPEEDWAY
I wish someone would make a kit for a common mass produced go kart or maybe a custom frame kit that uses donor 4 wheeler for engine and suspension parts. Maybe you could do some merchandise based giveaways.
How much money in just materials is needed solely for the frame?
Still awesome even with a chain. And it was more about the amount of chain.
How about building an old school RC-buggy but in go-kart size? One of those with mono shocks mounted horizontally. Like a Tamiya Hotshot or a Yokomo Dogfighter YZ834. Due to the layout it wouldn't have any damping for roll, and it would definitely need anti-sway-bars. One with a chain driven 4wd would be wild
Why not do a jackshaft that's belt driven instead of chains.... That would make the haters shut up and it would be quieter. 😁👍
😂
Edit: OMG this thing is looking so good.... I can't wait to see what it's capable of when it's done. 😍🖤