Is Britain's Class Divide Widening?
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Britain has certainly become more multi-cultural and diverse, but does its traditional class system still stand? It seems the divide between the rich and the poor is growing ever-more prominent.
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The middle class have all the arrogance of the upper class but none of the charm I find.
+James Burton nicely put James
Yes well put I've found middle class a bunch of pretentious wanabes in lots of debt just to appear wealthy car house everything on the tick lol
Hámríce Funny how that works out. Always dreaming of being like the rich, but never getting there.
Working class have all the arrogance of the upper class but no money it's reverse snobbery.
I agree it's the same as here in America. Remember there's no utopian class. The subtle charm of the bourgeoisie for example.
im working class and travelled to a few countries and the cultural divide between classes in the uk is the worst ive seen. as soon as i open my mouth in the uk i am judged. i was the only one in my neighbourhood to get a degree and really struggled to make friends in university. it was clear the people i met mostly had no experience of the uk i knew, and i would never be one of them, moving abroad to a place where my upbringing does not define me was the best decision i have made. thatcher blair cameron and now may have all contributed to making the issue worse and worse
I grew up in a council house in Longton Staffordshire, and the difference between rich and poor in the UK is education. If you don't have the skills necessary for the 21st century then you will stay poor. No government can legislate ambition and no government can solve poverty through hand outs.
most of the rick kids don't have any exceptional skill whatsoever. they're either ordinary or downright talentless. because comfort and lack of obstacles rarely produce talent. yet they get welcomed into Oxford, Eton etc, they get fabulously paid jobs. the devastating result of that is especially well seen in humanitarian fields. mathematics and technology are areas where social lifts still more or less work. but literature, fine arts, acting profession, philosophy... it's all down the drain.
You just need to be good at something that someone else is willing to pay for. That’s capitalism 101. Whether that be financial services, plumbing, electrician, sales.. Whatever it may be. If you don’t take the time to become good at something you are going to struggle and end up working behind a checkout. Children need to be taught this.
I am working class scum, and I fucking love it !
You should hear her vagina dentata...
As an outsider who visitied the UK in 1998 I came away with a definate impression of 2 classes. 1 lived in pinched tight conditions the other had all the room in the world. I visited a tourist attraction at the top of a hill that could normally only be approached by walking up the hill - except for a party in a Rolls Royce. Everyone stared at them thinking 'why are you exempt'? The occupants of the car had such a relaxed acceptance. Ordinary people in pinched conditions and another class with everything, accumulated on the labour of the lowly paid. Legislate all class distinction (Sir this and that) out. Legislate for an environment that rewards effort and excellence from anyone.
Legislation is the problem government trying to fix something more than likley make the situation worse.
90% of the UK is unoccupied and the 10% that is occupied has large amounts of free land.
But legislation is the reason that ordinary people cannot have larger housing.
'Twas ever thus. "It's the rich what gets the pleasure and the poor what gets the blame."
The UK the world's oldest democracy? Nope. Ancient Rome was a democracy about 800 years before England was even a thing. Let alone the UK. Sincerely, a Brit.
Yella Dart Democracy was in fact a Greek conception copied by the Romans (for a while) but I think what was meant was the oldest still existing Democracy although that in it's self is debateable the Icelandic Althing has a better claim
5888max Cyrus the great invented Democracy or atleast its concept!
Khan12078 It is possible that Cyrus had said something on this subject earlier then its development in Athens as he was 40 years older then Solom but if he did (I have not heard of it) It would be difficult to make rational augment that the concept of democracy grew out of the political structure of the Persian Empire
I thought it was to be taken as oldest surviving democracy.
Leontine Meier Well the Swiss system, is more bottom up and allows more direct participation, but changing the goverment in Bern is not very easy, you had a huge fuss about allowing the Freedom party one more seat in goverment in Britian the eletoate can throw every member of the goverment out in one day,( also female suffarage only arrived in the early 70,s in some cantons)
I am not sure which is more or less democratic but think both would be reconised as such
I almost teared when listening to the homeless guy talking. God bless those people.
LOL, I am from Britain and can tell you this is a bullshit perspective on class in Britain. You interviewed people who were nothing like average people from the UK.
You mean the Media is telling lies and pushing propaganda? Tell me it ain't so.....
'Where a Sicilian invited me to row his Gondola...' Soho 1960.
the UK........
The only thing important here is money then class.
sadly if your working class and poor you'll die that way it's extremely hard even if you are lucky enough to go to university.
lived in Israel Spain USA Canada and now Mexico, life experience and the chance to study here for free convinces me of my beliefs .
Even the actors and singers today are all middle and upper class unlike yesterday's Britain where there existed a mix.
+Daniel S
You will die that way if you dont SAVE. I have been saving 20--25% of my pay since 1984. My father told me to save at least 6 months living money when I started working. Well I listened. And 32 years later I have enough money to live in for 9 years at 52.
And its growing all the time. Now heres the thing. Ive never earned more than €10 an hour. So you can be poor working class and not be poor all your life.
You have to SACRIFICE NOW ●●PAY YOURSELF FIRST●●.And 30 years down the road you will be in a very good place. And have plenty if money to invest and get even richer.
In Britain, if a person says they're upper-class it shows that they are not. The upper classes refer to themselves as middle-class; thus a high-court judge being and a shop assistant being so. Things have changed greatly since I was a teenager in the 1960s. It was more cut and dry then. Even local accents displayed different class tones, though the great divider was grammar. An office girl then would have spoken grammatically. Nowadays even teachers and other professionals are semi-literate.
" rule Britannia, the rulers waive the rules, the peasants ever ever ever, shall be fools " !
French revolution.
No different in Britain than America or any other failing state - the peasant class produce all the goods and perform all the labor for the things that the rich upper classes consume and enjoy.
I love the idea that the nanny and husband think they are working class
This isn’t much of a reflection of the England I was brought up in.
If Jesus came back, being the son of a poor carpenter, he would have to live in the North among all us working-class shit.
trust me janice,we have our poverty down here in bristol,i know i lived it.
the amount of bombs we have thrown round the middle east,we may have blown him up already.hope its better for you know up there,but i doubt it is. good luck
that homeless doesnt even sound like the real poor in the UK
Nothing about Council estates? Nothing about crime or education? Oxford one of the richest parts of the UK, this does not reflect true britiain at all.
I am soooo glad to be working class. I like my Real, common, simple life. Couldn't do all the posh picnics etc. I am quite happy with my Nissan, and wouldn't have clue what to do with a Rolls Royce. I 'd be afraid to drive it.
This has got to be one of the saddest comments I have ever read on youtube because it sounds genuine
The fact that you sincerely believe it shows how unaware you are
Having an eccentric and harmless hobby is very posh.
Im working class. Im not a stereotypical dirty, rude drunken slob as many posh people think of workers, but upper class snobs STILL look don their beaks at me when im at work.
I believe in mutual respect and understanding!
I thought the sentiment at the end was pretty touching - over here you have to either be in swathes of poverty or have money pouring from your ears not to be considered middle-class.
No matter what class you are, it is important to be humble and not vein about it.
What's not fair about it? You would appreciate the chance to immigrate and work toward a better life had you been unfortunate to be born in their position. Conversely when I was a teenager we emigrated from the UK to New Zealand to enjoy a higher standard of living there, which I greatly appreciate, I'm guessing you would too.
Middle class is a state of mine, based on one's hobbies, accent, etiquette, dress sense, walk, manner, a whole variety of things; then lower, middle and upper middle class is based on income. Upper class is the aristocracy and has nothing to do with wealth. Lower, or working class is dependent on ones profession, and again, ones state of mind. It's quite easy to move into the so called middle classes, but upper class is very much of limits unless one is born into it, or friendly with the monarch
Indigenous people are usually the first inhabitants of an area. Saying that Native Americans are immigrants would mean that every race in the whole world is a migrant race besides those from Central Africa.
Thankyou for a lovely view of what makes Britain great..Thank God we still have these types
How in hell does anyone make a living being a "British cowboy"?? Family money, that's how!
Britain is also not the world's oldest democracy. That title would probably go to Greece, although at the time Greece didn't exist as a nation state.
There is no such thing as a middle class, capitalist society is based on a relationship between wage-labour and capital, the vast majority have to either sell their labour to someone else to survive or live off the surplas value created by labour. Just because you read the guardian, hang around in art galleries, and prefer wine to beer it doesn't mean your not a wage-slave. The SPGB has the analysis right when it comes to class in British society.
In addition to that, if it really is just nobody's land and the control of it is okay to shift freely then why is it not okay to happen now?
£55 Million every day to the EU While OUR OWN PEOPLE are going with out BASIC NEEDS. Now how do I vote!!!!!!!!! Think before you vote.
Difference between 'us' & 'them'...?
A few 0000's in the bank....
However, I was at Oxford as a student...but I ain't posh.
Copacetic Media Actually, they do....
I'm working class and I ain't posh either, Copacetic, you obviously ain't working class :-)
Remember when class was something that didn't have to do with money but your manners and your breeding? Now anyone with money can get into the Country Club. It just isn't the same.
Thats not ture. Money is an effect of who you are.
Its like saying the only difference between me and Lewis Hamilton is a few minutes on the laptime.
@George Money still can't buy lineage.
Even though here in America people talk a lot about equality, the unfortunate fact is that the gap between the rich and poor is monstrously massive. It's entirely too big and Regan and the Bushes have only made it worse. Obama, for all his talk of change, hasn't done a whole lot to change anything. It's despicable.
Obviously it is better to live in Switzerland because of the chocolate and the clean air and scenery. However, I love wherever I live. Have always lived in England but been to Wales, Scotland and Ireland which are fine too. Travelled to most of the cities in England, and seen lots of castles and cathedrals.
You can be posh and poor, and common and rich in this country. Greed has nothing to do with class :)
I am an American too. Trust me, the Brits are anything but our friends. I worked and lived in Britain for seven years, and I am glad to be back home in the United States. As Americans, we stand together against the very nation that tried ruling us a little more than 200 years ago. THe grass is greener on the American side., Trust me. Let freedom ring!
I wonder who inherits all this posh stuff once the owners die.
Their corgie dogs get the lot.
Go there and you'll find out. There is no substitute for experience. As for me, my travelling days are over. I'm staying in America.
This video is about classes. I'm no snob. I've got nothing to be a snob about.
Oxford can hardly be classed as representative of the entire UK. Outside of the famous cities the rest of the UK is rather shitty and is occupied by some of the poorest,well trodden and beaten down,pissed off people you could meet.There are slums and super slums,places where even the drug dealers won't go.The Americans,noting that the UK is much smaller than most states,seem to think everyone lives in London!
you are so naive it is beyond belief...........mum and dad looked after you didn' they. Housing benefit is not available if you do not a have an address, plus under 25s do not get HB. depp
If you do not have more than 4 servants you are in the middle class.
The problem with the class system, is happening all over the world. The American system is very much like the English. The poor depend on the government for all their needs. They don't get an education for the most part, and rely on the social service system to support them
think it's about time the modern day Guy Fawkes came along to save us all....
+OMG he said what!? ...change is slow
No it cannot - visit the southern USA, Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the middle east. But you are correct if you mean Tokyo, Paris, Berlin, Vienna, Barcelona, Geneva, Scandinavia,New York, Seattle und so weiter.
"The trouble with South Africans, is that one doesn't know where to place them", if you don't geddit go ask an Englishman, not an American or any one from the new world as only an english man can understand their class, caste system, which they NEEDED in order to become first country to industrialize after looting the world for start up capital.
Well same here really. I'm not rich. And I don't succumb to materialism, either. But neither are my family farmers or builders or "manal labour" people...
If I go to Uni, I will be the first in my family.
Rubbish and badly researched it doesn't answer the question it poses and a cashier at a supermarket is not middle class.
I have no idea how this documentary got commissioned- at first I thought it was a satire or a home production. Can you imagine making a documentary on the US with Born in the USA as the backing music. I don't think the film tells us anything- it shows some slightly eccentric middle class people doing some ever so slightly eccentirc things which does not surprise. Running a cinema, having a gondola are hardly signs of a gritty life on the never never.
World's oldest democracy is Greece, not Britain.
Ah it's not so bad. The only thing is, she showed a homeless guy, and not working class people (that's very different). Also, you can be very posh, and very poor too…So the description is very out of kilter.
Shes right what she says about the middle class being the ones with the power. Class has nothing to do with cash - it's an attitude, and it's how your born. There is still very much a class culture in Britain-with all of them having their own types of snobbery & their own pros and cons.
Well the gondolier metaphor is nice but why not just do a straight gondolier video because it was very interesting.
Middle class is practically everyone nowadays. I don't think I know many people who aren't middle class. I know a few working class people, but I don't think I know of any upper class people. I doubt I've ever met any.
Race does not divide people, it's class.
Nah race divides far worse than class
6 million out of nearly 63,181,775 (63 MILLION) is hardly a staggering figure,it's only 10% of the entire population.Don't forget that those who draw a pension and those unable to work due to physical or mental disability are included in that 6 million.Of that 6 million 3 million claim disability living allowance.On average 1.5 million claim job seekers allowance and 400,000 of those are non UK nationals from Poland,Africa etc who were permitted to claim since 2008,according to the ONS.
Jimmy Saville, Was that a lookalike - The hair-dresser who wanted to go to Venice to hang out on a sandy beach, - So a detached wealthy woman made a Video.
Don't be pathetic, there's a difference between relative poverty (what we have in the UK) and absolute poverty (what's seen in the developing world).
Well, thank you so much for doing this. Beautiful.
First of all, thank you for having an actual debate with me! Most people on youtube (sometimes me) just start slanging and its over. I agree that it is changing quickly, and it can be a scary prospect. However, I cannot see in any european country white people being forced into a minority. In Britain there simply isn't enough room for that to happen! Yes, these are scary times we're living in, but I think it is time to learn that people who are not white are pretty similar to you and me.
I liked all the people represented except the ``Picnic bunch ``They really were for me representative of what i dont like in the well off in the UK.They dont have a clue what it means to be surviving in the UK if you dont have hard cash
Both Reagan and JFK did not make it worse they actually stopped the slide and made a lot of growth that then allowed other who came behind them look better than they actually were.
Both JFK and Reagan cut taxes and expenditure and this then created growth in the US economy.
You probably do not like Reagan as he was a republican who wanted to reduce government.
The US needs a Reagan again or a JFK to get the economy back on track.
the old class divisions need to be scrapped. the identifiers dont match each other.Is it about money, attitude or profession? Make your mind up.
What does tattoos have to do with social status. Sorry I fail to see the link.
Is the blonde guy near the end a facejacker character?
that is true. Every race is a migrant race from central Africa. Its really nobody's land just like everywhere else. it is just a matter of who can control it and these groups will undoubtedly change over time. I think bringing up "indigenous" American tribes is irrelevant to the discussion. but that being said that guy does sound racist when referring to immigrants. however multiculturalism by immigration is destroying the current American way of life which i empathize with.
I really enjoyed this - thanks for the upload
Subbed :)
To be rich and upper class in the U.K. is to live in heaven - except for the occasional contact with the filthy masses.
I've been living in the UK for a few years and this documentary does not reflect what it aims to talk about at all.
Yeah she did, she says what it means at 7:12. I'm British but I've never heard of it :P
Nothing. The oint is that they are the traditional definintion of working class.
Honestly WHAT is your problem?
Thank you for posting. Drawing conclusions about a nation of 60 million people (a third of whom are not native Brits) based on a short time spent in and around a very wealthy city like Oxford is akin to spending a year in the leafy suburbs of Washington DC and then claiming you know what America and all its people are like.
The truth is that it has nothing to do with good breeding if you are trying to imply that genetics has anything to do with it (not sure exactly what you mean). Britain is a welfare state that taxes its working class people to the point they cannot afford a better life. Both my parent worked through out their lives yet I was raised in rate infested council housing estate. The average house price in the uk is 160k average a salary is 21000 half of that is paid of in taxes.
Good depiction of some aspects of life in the UK
I'm so sorry that people have given you such rude comments in response to this very real problem. In Poland, we are doing everything we can to keep it homogeneous, but i believe that its too late for the US, and GB, they are already so mixed that the whites dont even make up the majority anymore. I lived in jersey, and its just disgusting how many oriental people came here, and how they acted. People dont accept my viewpoints here very much though.
this is entirely inaccurate...
wheres the lower class? not all lower class people are gypsies out on the street, she should of gone to an estate. but loved all those nice cars, some Firme bombas right there, must of been millions worth of car out on that field.
wow this first part has a serious clockwork orange feel to it
Wow. That manor was quite beautiful, so is that whole estate. I am infinitely jealous. :P
The accent of the guy at 03:53 onwards reminds me of Rowley Birkin QC.
Education, education education education...that's the way out of poverty.
Wow, they really missed the mark on this one. Presented by a snob, full of snobs and snobs that have no wealth, so they call themselves middle class, while dressing up like throwbacks from the 80's.
Who was the target audience for this?
warning. future viewer the first half of this is an old guy talking about a gondola, a big house and some rich toffs having gay encounters. the second half is about a rent boy, a hippys baby and some random wench.
@popazz1 well in the dvd extras it has blue being bummed by toffs in a gondola in a posh reserved manner.
If I was royalty, don't you think I'd know some upper class people??? Use your brain.
Amazing when the taxpayer pays the wages of those in charge only for them to increase the tax ? Voted by the people for the people instead we have these scumbags filling their own pockets. Why do these MP's need 90k a year that's basically a job for life ?
I hate to say this, but what was the point of this documentary? And who is the target audience?
oh & btw, I didn't say they were not brits! In fact i said exactly the oppisite! If you want to engage people, at least read what they said. ;-)
Because the British people will always feel 'great'. It's just tradition. x
I concider my self wealthy, but both of my parents work 16 hour days and their training is only as a baker and a social worker, and yes I have been partly privately educated and concider myself posh. But the real problem is those that come from a long line of wealth. My parents left school with out GCSE's and have always worked hard for their cash. IN ENGLAND WE NEED TO DRAW A LINE BETWEEN THE EXTREEMLY HARD WORKING AND THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ALL THEIR MONEY FROM INHERITANCE!!!!!!!!!! workers are the back bone of england , but, we must NOT punish those that do better than the rest
That private education really paid off with your spelling.
Oh be quiet, what I said was perfectly valid, you just didn't bother to read it. You might learn something.
The likes of me? who do you think you are, you filthy creature.
LOL! 'creature'??? Hey! Were you one of those English public schoolboys took it up the arse before you were withdrawn because of your deluded parents' lack of inability to pay for a SECOND term :D
"lack of inability" is a double negative so what you really said was "deluded parents' ability to pay for a SECOND term" and no! if you could read you would have read my 1st post and your tiny little brain might have picked up on my background.
I think it is the dream of doing it he enjoys most :) He is so middle class it hurts. x
LOL. At 6:16 did the lady just say "or have a pimps' cup"?
And I don't see Adam "the camp big issue" seller a fair portrail of poor people...it was filmed in Oxford right well why not go to blackbird leys estate or somewhere similar not interview some oddball big issue seller!
What about the people in this country?
Big Issue is being sold by homeless people? And I learnt something today!
How do you figure they are anything but our friends?
funny the guy with the gondola would have the money to buy such a boat and take people around for rides on the thames , for nothing more than a donation... yet he can't afford a decent rover or such to pull it around... that little front wheel drive saloon hatch is hilarious trying to tow the gondola out of the water with the other gentleman giving it a push from behind
Nations are a very new concept and I would say that Britain is probably the oldest in the modern sense of the term.
But I could be wrong and some body may give me an older example but probably not that much older.
I am White, I'm not a product of civilised university education although I do intend to be. Anarchist? Liberal? It does seem very implausible that someone could be both... I am neither by the way.
I'm just a pedantic, meticulous prick who likes to get on a high horse and point out when people are in the wrong and/or being ignorant arseholes. I'm not against free speech, without it I wouldn't be able to express my own opinion and that's like my favourite activity.
Oh and I hate coffee...