I took subs for about 7yrs. I got off it without telling my Dr because I didn't think I could quit and didn't want to lose my Dr but after I quit the subs I quit my Dr. I cut down over months, from 3strips a day, until I was cutting strips into 8 pieces. I always took them at night and over time I started to forget to take my strip. One night I realized I hadn't taken any, I thought about it and couldn't remember the last time I had taken one. That was it for me, I haven't had another. I never thought I would quit but I got tired of the hassle. Knowing I was doing it on my own helped too, I think. Hope someone can use this to quit.
I take 3 a day it's been about 3.5 years I have health issues and hair loss ever since I started but I deal with them because It has helped me tremendously and I now had my doctor start weining me down so now I take a 2.5 8mg a day and I am hoping it doesn't take over a year I am thankful for all the help I got from my doctor but I just can't deal with this controlling me anymore how did u do this and of u have any other tips for me I would appreciate it
+Brittny Hudson I'd be glad to help anyway I can. Do you take your 2.5 all at one time or some in the morning and the rest at night? When i was taking 3 a day I took 2 in the morning and1 at night. When I cut to 2.5 I cut back my 2 morning strips to1.5 and kept my 1 at night. I couldn't tell a difference between taking the 2 in the morning and the 1.5, I felt the same. After a few months I cut down my 1.5 in the morning to just 1, I didn't tell my Dr. It was easier for me to cut down on my own, I don't like being told what to do. I kept taking my 1 at night. If my writing confuses you let me know and I'll try to explain it better. I'm not a writer.
+Louie Smith I take my 1.5 at 11 am and then around 4 I take the other one some days I can take only 2 and I feel fine and I don't notice but I feel like with my anxiety and my stress I will take more I started this month taking .5 less but it's more me being afraid cause I been on it so long and I just want to get off of it and have that will power to not take more than I should but I no I can do it I want to just get this over with
+Brittny Hudson if cutting .5 at a time makes you anxious then cut a 1/4 off for a week or two. It helped me to just cut a little at a time over a few weeks until I got down the whole half. I could not stand the anxious feeling so the slower the better helped sometimes.
+Louie Smith thank u I appreciate it I have anxiety bad so I just want to do this the rite way efficiently and make sure I don't have to take time off work or feel like I am dieing
Are you kidding me? Coming off Suboxone is horrible. A nightmare even coming off as the doctor ordered. The doctor I dealt with is just that. A dealer. Glad I'm clean now and living free... No opiates!
sooo happy for you and your sooo right my friend doctors are just that dealers. they should be locked up cause they have so much to answer for. my son is in this shit and has been 4 some months. i have seen no improvement in his condition at all. i am so scared for him its not funny. he has lost so much wait and is very agitated and highly strung. the doctors are to blame for so much of where hes at. i could go on and on but am way to upset. good luck to you birddog 108.
sarthaktandon21 yes they do help, I've used them a few times. Once u get in the right headspace to quit the 'smack' the subs help. I've never taken high doses at once but maybe at most 2-3 x2mls a day if needed but it depends on ur habit size and willpower. U frill feel a bit shit at the start but once a couple of days in push on and all good. ✌🏼and good luck.... I always find different surroundings/holiday at same time help, the hard bit is staying clean!
IF YOU TAKE NO MORE THAN 4MG OF BUPRENORPHINE AND TAPER TO ZERO IN A MONTH IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. TAKE MORE AND YOU HAVE A NEW - MAYBE WORSE PROBLEM. ALTHOUGH SOME JUST GIVE UP AND WOULD RATHER BE ON BUPE THAN ON H -- IF INSURANCE PAYS THIS MIGHT WORK WELL.
I am a 51yr old female on suboxone. I have back issues, fibromyalgia and a free other medical issues mixed with mdd, and ptsd with generalized anxiety. I came off of suboxone at the 1mg point. Wdwls were horrendous and the paws lasted well into 8months. I finally went back on suboxone because I couldn't take the pain and did not want to take opiates for relief. They effectively help me manage my life and pain. If I could do it without and still manage my pain I would but its impossible. I have no choice but this drug. For some of us it indeed gives its a life and we have to ignore the snide remarks and looks. I'm not a heroin addict but I'm made to feel like one because of the med I use tho control pain,yet if I took oxycontin people wouldn't say a thing. What a messed up world.
Joan'ne Valentina if your in pain it’s no different than morphine or OxyContin you are in pain believe me I’m dealing with pain clinics and it’s getting very hard too deal with they declare war on pain patients as far as I can see I’ve been dealing with withdrawals and pain the cdc didn’t put any restrictions on opioid replacement I see this is four years ago I hope you doing well
I have fibromyalgia and took Vicodin for pain. I started low dosed immunotherapy and immediately started weaning from the Vicodin. So glad I am now off of it . Low dosed immunotherapy is not covered by insurance but has been a godsend. It is available through telemedicine if there is not a provider nearby if you are interested. I also seen a TH-cam video where someone said she weaned off suboxone very slowly and she used potassium , heating pads, epsom salt baths and shakology successfully. I hope you get to feeling better and no longer need the suboxone.
I sure understand.I am 57 and I will take it for life.Ive tried getting off everything but have used opiates so long my brain never will return to normal.Where Im from subs are only 5.00 a month.I have no memory problems.I just dont let anyone know that I'm on them anymore.
I am also a 51 year old female and as you might know people are Less sympathetic and supportive than they are with younger people...the thinking maybe is that we are " old enough to know better". They dont get that it is an actual medical condition that says nothing at all about one's character or strength. I was on Suboxone for 6 years at 24 (!!) mg per day. Went off of it myself because I waa tired of the " game " one needs to play to get Suboxone. People found out I was on Suboxone and now I am looked at as less of a person. Even by my own family. I dont regret giving up opiates but if Id stayed on the real opiates, no one would know. All the rock-bottom stuff happened After I quit. Yup. Messed up world. Ignorant health care " professionals ", judgemental nurses, and a society that demonizes the very people who are Fighting one of the biggest battles a human can fight. So cheers to all the warriors! You get to come back. You do. But it's hard and if you think I'm being dramatic, you've not been there. I'm always a little grateful when someone Doesnt understand: there are too many of us that do. Big sarcastic thanks to doctors and big pharma for giving us all those groovy pills. Hope you're happy now.
ive been on 8 mgs of xanax and 16 mgs of subutex a day and attend atleast two 12 step meetings a day and am very involved and am slowly tapering down i pray that i can put this behind me i have a good doctor whos known for being able to comfortably taper people off these drugs please pray for me
Lucky your doctor didn't kill you man, I had a seizure and died on my porch for two minutes due to the mixture of xanax and suboxone. It stopped my heart and sent my into convulsion.
Holy cow. Theres no way you feel any emotion at all? This is coming from a long 14 year drug career. Past thank god but still theres no way you can feel shit that high. I pray you are able to one day be free.
The post acute withdrawal from suboxone is terrible and long as heck. Acute isn’t fun... but manageable compared to other opiates. But as a whole it’s fricken terrible! I’m a couple weeks away from being a year clean from Suboxone and I still deal with paws symptoms. It’s a roller coaster ride. I’ve documented my whole journey here on TH-cam as well. It can be done!
Oh. And the reason you get depressed without opiates is because opiates are perhaps the single best broad-spectrum anti-depressant. If you're depressed, and opiates can't help, *there is no help*.
Suboxene made me have pain. I have a serious back. My back feels better without it. Opiods get into your bones which causes more pain. ONce I got off all opiods. my back and pain has gotten better.
You CAN quit and you don't need to ween! It may help you to cut back but either way it IS doable!! I took Suboxone for 3 years and quit cold turkey from 8mg. It took me about 30 days to feel somewhat better but it's done and I haven't looked back!
Bro your wrong I'm on day 25 suboxone withdraw and it was worse than comingkoff methadone! Every prescribing doctor needs to go through it so they truly know!
You hit the nail on the head with that one... I've been on methadone for 12 years and I don't feel emotions... I've seen times where I had to go a few days without it because I missed an appointment and within 36 hours my emotions came back with vengeance.. I couldn't watch something on TV without crying... But I didn't realize how numb I have become because of it.. It definitely has effects of the brain that they don't tell you about or discuss... It's been proven that Oxycontin has effects on the brain and makes people very self centered and turns them ugly.. All drugs do I guess.. But a monthly injection is good for anyone who wants to have a life and not have a leash attached to the pharmacy.. But it is definitely a double edged sword.. Because you are giving them free reign.. Not to mention the fact that pharmacies make a living from dispensing fees and the privately owned pharmacies would go belly up if all of a sudden everyone switched to a monthly injection.. .I don't think all clinics are offering it... I know that they offer suboxone now as a first response to harm reduction...before it was called methadone maintenance.. But now it's called opioid recovery program.. And everyone who gets on the clinic is given suboxone instead of methadone ...i wouldn't mind switching.. But at the same time I don't want to sit there for 15 minutes while the sublingual tablet dissolves under my tongue with methadone I drink it and go... I know it has done serious damage to my insides... 15 years with hepatitis c ..is starting to take its toll on me... And methadone is just as harmful to the liver.. Most people when they get on it start to eat healthier and look after themselves so it overrides any harmful effects of the methadone.. And those people usually seek treatment for hepatitis c when they get connected with the resources of the clinic.. But not me I don't trust those treatments.. Especially the interferon it's gotta have some long term effects and destroys your immune system .. But I'm definitely headed towards the danger zone of chronic hepatitis.. My body reminds me of that fact everyday... I just watch my diet and exercise eat lots of apples that helps pass the toxins that can build up in the body
Exactly why I decided to quit... Couldn't get my subs and saw how numb I was... Last week I was on 2 subs a day... I'm on 2 mgs now. Phew!!! Not as bad as I thought... Gotta say!
I hate the stigma that comes w this drug. YES it is prescribed MOSTLY for those two reasons, but it is also prescribed for long term chronic pain (or in my case it was, because I didn't want to be on hundreds of pain pills per month, was allergic to some, and refused to administer fentanyl patches to myself at home wo the access of a Dr. to monitor me for fear id go to bed at night and not wake up!) ... I feel for those who need it for getting off opiates, heroin and methadone, but I also don't let many people know that I am on it (including some doctors) because they automatically think that I was a drug user because that's what this med was originally designed for. Just like some heart medications can be used for anti depressants, or some anti psychotics for sleeping, or other meds having many different uses other than just what they were originally made for. I think on the papers they give you with your prescription it should have other uses listed other than just for getting off opiates or street drugs. I'm not putting down anyone, I just don't think it's fair how some people look at me or treat me when they find out I'm on this medication.
sundragon1976 I agree with you! There is tons of health care providers who make negative judgements when a patient is taking Buprenorphine. What you're mentioning is called "off label" prescribing and we do this often. Be careful about not telling your doctor what medications you take. What happens when you're prescribed something that counteracts? If you don't feel safe telling your doctors you take Suboxone/Subutex tell them you're on Butrans Transdermal. It's the same active ingredient, but specifically indicated for chronic pain in the USA. I hope that is useful to you!!! I can totally empathize with you!!! I've been there!!
Clayton Timberman oh I do tell my doctors for sure! I would be scared for something bad to happen I'm just saying I don't like to because of the judgment. Thanks a lot for that though I will start saying the other name. :)
Jai Jamison wow, I'm so sorry that for whatever reason I'm JUST NOW seeing your reply (from 44 was ago!) Anyway, so sorry to hear about your pain and then your nasty roller coaster experience with the Dr.s upping and upping your meds! Argh! How are you doing? Still on the subs? I have been off of them cold turkey for a 13 mos now! Yay! However...... switched myself to kratom and now the lovely DEA wants to take that away from me 😓 I finally found something that helped so much that wasn't deadly and the mentally sick people of power want to decide for me what I can and can't take, just so they can line their greedy little pockets. Makes me irate, scared and sad.... I know I'll never go back to opiates or subs, but unfortunately a ton of people will and there are going to be lots of overdoses on their hands! Then again they don't care, cuz they made money off of that too! (Dr.s visits, money for prescriptions, people going to rehab, etc. etc. it's truly disgusting. So now that I went on a rant about that too lol... I hope you're doing well! Sorry for all your pain 😓 I'd say take kratom it's a miracle herb, but.... 😝. Take care.
Its cruel how 2 mg is the smallest dose.. 2 MG is still a big dose, and going from that to zero would be insane.. You have to get takeaways save them up somehow and slowly cut the last bit down.. Closer you get to zero harder it gets.. You wont sleep properly for months after getting off this stuff
I'm on day 21 and got off from a quarter is the 2 mg pills. So half a MG. I used kratom for a few days but then started needing that so I stopped that and yeah you're right I haven't got a good night of sleep since. I can't wait to get some real rest.
I went this guy’s clinic and met him.Once again I’ll say the first two weeks where a breeze but the months after that where brutal and I relapsed.PAWS.
Its not legal. As a matter of fact its far more illegal than weed. Some states allow you to buy weed in shops. You are not going to get suboxone without a script.
XlunacyinblackX It's a much better alternative than heroin addiction. Suboxone and methadone are used to keep the crime rate down and keep tabs on junkies. However, suboxone does save lives.
Lia Pastohrias actually, it's been PROVEN that it's easier to come off of controlled doses of Percocet(oxycodone) or heroin (diacetylmorphine) rather than a fully synthetic opioid like suboxone. It's near impossible for an opiate addict to not take all the pills that make them feel good without overdoing it unless under supervision and someone is giving you your medicine at specific times through the day. Suboxone is fucking terrible and I was only using it as a way to stave off withdrawal until I got down to an insanely low dose to where I can take oxycodone again, cause I'd much rather come off of oxycodone than synthetic shit.
The side effects from taking it have actually been a detriment to me after the first few months. I’ve been on it about 8 years. I took about 2-4 mg a day for a long time but have went UP to 8mg or more a day now. I quit cold turkey for two months once, and I relapsed because I started my junior year in college. I was finally sleeping and over the physical withdrawal after a month but wasn’t prepared to function mentally or emotionally in school and work. I only got two weeks off work to detox and was mostly okay at work, but adding school was too much. 4 years later, I’m still on this shit.
DON'T LISTEN TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU CAN GET OFF IT, THEY WANT TO SCARE YOU!!! YOU CAN COME OFF ANYTHING, JUST GIVE IT TIME, PATIENCE AND TAPER YOUR AMOUNTS SLOWLY, THERE IS NO RUSH!!! ALL THE BEST:) GOD BLESS XO :)
You need to get way under 2mg before you jump off. Ive heard you should get down to .25mg and then do days on and days off at that amount for a few weeks before jumping off and youll still feel like shit but at 2mg youd feel like mega shit.
Buffster0896 what is this kratam. ? I’m terrified, I’ve gone through suboxone withdrawal and it was worse than 23 hours of labor!! And bs suboxone withdrawal is waaaaay worse than it was with OxyContin
Smile um he said nothing but facts...please explain how he is wrong...he is right that once u jump off subs, withdrawals can last for a month or months time depending on person and length taken/situation and they will give u other meds to aleviate that and make it a pretty much smooth ride, especially again if u tapered right, plus even that much better if u exercise, eat right, to u name it...nothing he said was negative or harmful...of course its best short term, but some people been out of normal lifes loop for decades on drugs, those are the ones get on subs for a years time to stabalize themselves and their life, their relationships, before they focus on the actual withdrawal and taper itself, but yes i agree even they shouldn't be on it more than a year or 1 sub max for example and honestly its people themselves that also beg doctors to stay and not taper and stay for 3 5years plus, come on now, and its not like he said anything for or against any of that, he clearly could have even added that if he wanted to go further in depth, but as a whole he said straight facts... it all depends on person to person, but if u do it right, it will work right...people are so fucked up with what they say, fuckin think first
Sarah Holliday my question is are u going thru that because u somehow forced yorself to jump off, lost insurance or whatevr it may be...because if u did it instead at treatment/the right way u would have gotten clonidine, valium, to help the rest of the way and wouldnt even be saying that...anyways kratom is basically a herbal opioid that will help, but u will also eventually have to come off that if like subs u take it long term...its the same with any withdrawal med...the point is u tapered and u jumped off, now get u some regular meds, excercise, eat right, and u will be straight...heck trust me if a doc gives u like a valium alone will make u feel right as rain...people make the shit worse than it is i swear...the problem or question really is, is a mf ready to quit forreal or not?! if so do it right, go hard
This man is very knowledgable on all aspects i respect this man to the fullest, thank you very much for helping so manny fellow addicts :) i just got out of sunrise detox in west palm
Seems like the onset of we is a few days longer. Then. Worse than pain meds. Clonidine helping. MY Dr. Went out OF state and left now back-up Dr to write. I was wanting off anyway ,but dang.
Sub withdrawal is the scariest and worst thing Ive ever tried to w/d from. Worse than the dilaudid I used to take. Wore than methadone also. It wasnt only physical but a severe mind trip of nightmare. Every new opioid treatment med promises to be less hard to come off of. For me its the exact opposite. The more synthetic the worse for w/d. This my personal experience. Ans I've tried everything to be opiod free.
juan baudelaire you should try to get your hands on the iboga plant, I hear it's like a Google search engine within your soul connected to the universe and your body and it has 80% success rate. Mainly because the other 20% just like drugs way too much.
I found it much harder to quit suboxone than any other opiate. When i quit suboxone i was taking it for about a year and a half and was tappered down to 2mg once a day. When i stoped i had horrible w/d for 60 days in a row. Ince i started to feel better (5-6months) i still suffered from paws, i tore 3 ligaments in my leg and had toget surgery, so i was perscribed percocet which indefinatly led back into using h again. I used for about 3 months. Now i am currently 22 days clean, and it was 100 times easier to quit this time than it was off of suboxone, maybe this is a miricale drug in detoxing somone, but in my opion horrible as a maintance program.
Kratom is also a partial agonist working on the MU receptors and is far less addictive than suboxone which is a natural and cheap way to detox against powerful opiate based drugs, and prevents new cases of traditional pharmacy based addictions using suboxone, and methadone methods of treatment.
It seems like you're replacing one drug with another that's all I have to say I hate coming off Suboxone but I'm glad to say I did because it saved my life in my own opinion
It’s been 16 days since I dropped subs and Adderall after 5yrs on. Started at 24mg and tapered myself down over yrs, first to 16, then 8, 6, 4, 3, and 2mg without much change. Started to feel it below 2mg so switched to weekly reductions of .25mg until I was down to .25 for a wk and jumped. Yes it’s looong but it’s not as violent as dope or reg opiates. Clonidine really helped my RLS and helped me sleep. I’m still dealing with PAWS but so far it’s only insomnia and no motivation
im on detox day 7 from 15 months of suboxone use and really i cant say its easy (constant fatigue headaches i cant seem to stay awake past 9pm and wake up at 12-2-4am with anxiety) but during the day making myself get up and doing stuff helps. seeing my family and talking about it helps and if you were given any meds (clonodine sleep meds anxiety) dont take it during the day because thats just making the fatigue worse. you will make it thru
I have been on suboxone for 5 years, I tapered myself on my last 8 mg strip 6 days ago took my last dose, day 4 OMG the pain was so intense I wanted to rip my face off, that's bad, I finally decided to start drinking just so the hurting will stop, don't drink to get drunk just to ease the pain,.
Hi! I had 14 mg a day of subutex the last 9-10 years(never missed a day). I really ant to quit but im scared as hell. Do you have any suggestions to how i can make it?
I agree I started off taking it for the right reasons...then I was taking off it and then started buying it from a dealer and then abused it for years and then had to quit cold.turkey and it was a horrible experience I know everyone is different but it was the worst withdrawals I've ever had...I think about getting high all the time but the 3 months after I stopped subs makes me never wanna use anything again...1 year clean off everything now and stuff is slowly getting better everyday
This is one of the better vids on TH-cam, VERY informative, professional and helped me personally - thank you very very much for posting this for the world to see.
Jordon Mcmullin Pontiac Michigan hospital offers a rapid detox Where they sedate you with ketamine and put you through precipitous withdrawal for two days to get off of opioids And then give you a shot of vivitrol and you go home Best 9000 ever spent. You can get a loan to have it done. It’s safe, it’s performed in a hospital No more being a slave to subs
I was a heroin addict for 20 years and ive been on suboxone for 2years. This guy really knows his stuff. My experience agrees with every thing he said and sometimes you need that conformation to reassure your self. knowledge is power. If your on suboxone and want to get off, learn all you can. Thanks so much for the video Dennis.
Derek White I agree with him as well. I know ppl who have came off subs and everything he is saying sounds familiar. I know ppl who it has taken a year to start feeling normal
I was put on suboxone by kaiser Baldwin park as a " pain management replacement for prior norco/morphine" 3 year use for chronic pain. I have been on suboxone since 11-2012. I am down to 1 strip cut in half 2 times a day. I do not get pain management from suboxone at all. I might have in the beginning. Now I have no energy, wide spread pain, migraines, nausea, anxiety.. I forget everything. I want to get off because I think that suboxone has made my chronic pain/fibromyalgia. Suboxone has not only been a scarlet letter but has taking my life from me. I'm scared but I'm thinking after these two last strips I will not refil and go cold turkey. Any advice?
The first thing you need to do is taper down until you're literally cutting those 8 mg strips into 6 pieces, and only taking a single dose in the morning. After stopping the sub all together, you need to get some Kratom from a local herb and tea shop.
You need adavan, any benzo and something for stomach. It really helps with withdraw. You need to get down to a milligram a day then go every other day.
I suffer from chronic pain & bipolar condition. I was on Vicodin HP, Oxy’s for 20yrs along with my bipolar meds. Since starting Suboxone 8/2 4 x daily along with Testosterone treatment 3 yrs ago I’ve never felt better & became way more productive & active. I’m 47 now. Opioids will effect Men’s Testosterone badly & something many doctors do not mention. When I was on pills. I was depressed, no energy, laid up in bed, anti-social, etc. Maybe I’m fooling myself but I feel like I did when I was in high school now.. I’ve dropped my depression meds & only take Subs now.
I live in Oregon. I was an oxy addict for years. Went to methadone for 4 years and struggled to get off so i switched to suboxone for a year. My Dr. Put me on Butrans to taper. I quit using the butrans 16 days ago. Most acute withdraw is gone but am now dealing with a high level of anxiety. My Dr doesn't seem concerned or have a solution for me. Am also dealing with insomnia. What meds can help? Tried trazadone but it made me feel weird. Worried this isn't going to get better anytime soon. Help please!!!
My situation is unique in that the biggining of treatment, I was great! I had been clean of Heroin 5 yrs. Doing well. Old friends, If you follow visited & I fell for the one time won't hurt. Wisdom warned me!! The problem is that I take suboxone, After 1 yr I have given Antibiotics 5 times for Phuemonia and "Bronchitis", Although no testing. I am sick daily while taking Suboxone. I'm sure it slows lungs down. I cannot function/work for sickness & Energy loss. Is this possible from long term use?
I was on methadone for 8 years previous to the subs (10mg/day for 3 years now), I seemed to tolerate it much better and didn't have any side effects! Side effects like confusion, fatigue, intense anxiety, skin conditions and hair loss! My body feels like its shutting down on me, I've been told I may have developed Lupus as a result of medication. It's bloody difficult dealing with withdrawal from any opiate/opioid but I feel the subs are especially nasty. I feel like a shell of the person I once was, thoroughly depressed and riddled with confusion and anxiety. Its like I've aged 10 years in less than two years. Beware of this drug, I may have to switch back to methadone as I'm not low enough to contemplate withdrawal. I desperately want to be free of this drug!
james ryan hey James! Recovering fentanyl addict, one year on subs, two months without subs. It took me a while to realize it was the suboxone that was causing me to feel like an empty shell of a person, I was determined to do whatever I had to get myself back! I do not recommend doing a drug free withdraw from suboxone, due to the months of acute withdraw it would have caused me to relapse on strong opiates. I don’t want to push my beliefs on anyone but I strongly encourage you to research Kratom if you have not already done so, how it works with your body & all the pros and cons. I’ve been on a small dose since the day I stopped subs and I feel fine, not high, but fine. With a tolerance and dependency as high as ours, Kratom is a life saver- literally- in getting you off subs or opiates in general. Herbal Salvation has some of the best kratom around, I would advise you to purchase it online after researching various companies & not buying it from a local smoke shop-big difference in quality and price! Let me know how things are going for you!
I got stuck on morphine after an accident and was put on suboxone 16mg 10 years ago . I feel like a dog on a leash ,but the doctors keep telling me to stay on it . Now I don't know if I ever get of it with all the symptoms, depression and adding fear . Can any one identify with me for this long time and amount .
sputnic I was on methadone for 12 years and the last 3 years it has been on suboxone it has worked amazing for me I'm awake, happy, energetic etc. You're better off staying on subs than coming off them it's just like saying would you stop taking insulin to treat your diabetic disease you wouldn't you would not stop taking heart medication to treat heart disease people need to understand that opiate addiction is a medical condition that is a life-long condition I applaud you for staying on it good luck to you in your recovery
sputnic, I've been on suboxone for at least 7 years. I'll be honest with you, what frightens me the most about coming off Suboxone are the psychological withdrawal symptoms. They speak of the physical withdrawal as like having a terrible flu. Well, that's basically true for the physical, but I can handle the physical withdrawal standing on my head. It's the long lasting psychological symptoms that scare me. Because your brain has to basically "reset" to where it was before you started opiates. That can be a very long process.
sputnic I was on subs for 13 years and I'm 34 days free!! It's possible. I'm not through it fully yet, but everyday is a bit better after day 9-17. You can do it.
Suboxone is an awesome drug other than it has a horrible withdrawals, so you're just trading one monkey on your back for another. the ideal situation for suboxone is only for about a week's use, basically use it to get past the opiate withdrawals and then stop after a week any longer than that you'll have horrible withdrawals off of buprenorphine also.
James Piccone exactly what im doing four days off heroin and just took a small smidge off a strip of suboxen on tuesday. still feel great today! praise God. just use it a small amount once you won't wothdraw i have my damn life back i could shout to the mountains
Atia Breen I was addicted to the same myself, trust me you don't want to be addicted to suboxone also, it's longer of a withdrawal. Also save your suboxin for when it's absolutely the worst. don't just take it because you kinda feel bad. Another helpful tip is to make yourself go outside and do something. I know it sounds weird but doing that and eating good for a week helped me a lot with withdrawals. Then I was on it for a couple years and now I'm on the process of getting off of suboxin I'm down to a third a day but I wish I never would have done it or I wish it would have used it correctly to begin with..
Woka Floka I'm down to 1/3 a pill a day but I can't seem to get any lower than that without going through horrible withdrawals. I got a wife, kid and a job I can't exactly take a month off to go through withdrawals. Good luck to you brother. Even on that I wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning with horrible nightmares & then later in the afternoon is when I start my yawning and heavily tearing.
I just realized that I had approval required on all comments for this video. I just approved a few years of comments! I am sorry for those that commented. My bad. Dennis Hansen
I quit suboxone in a controlled manner using a tried and true system. Do this. Lets say you are taking 16 mg a day. Well cut that dose by 25% every fifth day until you are down to .25 mg. YES, that is .25 mg. Well, take that for 4 days, then take it every other day for four doses and then take it after every two days for 4 doses. By then, you should be able to quit. It works. The reason it works is because the half life of suboxone is soooo long it creates withdrawals down the line that hit you hard. by following this method you balance out the half life of the drug.
SickofSub Pain You are terrible to come on here saying that. No wonder you are stuck taking subs. You have a horrible attitude. You will be taking subs the rest of your life because you are an insignificant and worthless person.
you do not mention ibogaine treatment (I realize it is not used in the US) but in other countries such as Mexico and in parts of Europe they use ibogaine treatment for opioid addiction as well as cocaine and alcohol addiction and it works wonders, some would say miracles. it is able to take a person that has been using suboxone for years at a heavy dose, a person that would normally withdrawal for weeks to months and yes people do withdrawal that long sometimes, and make the withdrawal period go away almost entirely. I would like to hear your thoughts on this treatment as well as its effectiveness and why it is not used in the US. is it because a pharmaceutical company bought the patent and refuses to do anything with ibogaine because it could cut into their profits and make suboxone and methadone almost obsolete? I think we all know there is no money in a cure for these companies and it seems like this is a big reason why ibogaine is not used in the US and people who discover it have to pay out the nose to go over seas and out of country to find the best kind of relief. thoughts?
+New Beginnings Recovery Center I was on suboxone for a few years along with Xanax,prescribed by a doctor,however I got into trouble with the law and was incarcerated for 45 days.Upon them finding out the drugs I was prescribed they had given me Librium for the first 3-4 days tapering me off at the fourth day,,they also had me drinking large amounts of Gatorade to flush the toxins out for the same 4 day period.Once they stopped the libriums I felt fine ,My question is why doesn't any other doctors take this same approach?
After YEARS of suboxone I finally quit. My advice is to just quit the opioids. Unless you are coming off heroin or worse, oxys, DON'T TAKE suboxone. I wrote it in all caps so you know it's bad.
I was in a roll over car accident. Rolled my car 6 times... I have metal in my leg and ankle been rebuilt. I have one more surgery to look forward to. I was put on sooooo many different medications and those meds cuased me soooo much agony and trouble. I did mis-use them. I am currently getting subs but I feel like its been too long. I ask Dr for help getting off of them but they give me same amount every month. I don't want to be on any type of drug period. I cant be sick tho ????????
I ironically had very mild symptoms coming off of suboxone. I was on it for about 1.5 years and tapered from 16mg to 4mg and came off at 4mg. I think I was so scared of what everyone has said about the symptoms that I was prepared for something much worse. I had an awesome doctor that gave me GREAT medications that made me sleep every night and feel relatively normal throughout the day. Clonidine, gabapentin, chlordiazepoxide, promethazine, ibuprofen were the main medications.
ATLHooligan exactly, he basically said the same stuff in this video, if u do it right it wont be bad...proly most who had horrid experiences are those that fucked around took 2 3 subs daily for 3 5 years, then instead of taper proly somehow were forced to quit, lost insurance etc, so of course thats horrid...but if u stabalize yourself, yor life, take no more than 1, begin to taper, and when u jump off still at a treatment place u will get other meds like clonidine, valium to help alleviate the rest of that months or however long post withdrawal symptom period and u will be good...also many proly dont add exercising to that, eating right, etc...thats why u see some with horrid results and others say it was a breeze...def dont get the hating ass talk about the doctor period, he said nothing but facts
Can some please help me is he on about subetex it comes in a tablet I'm from UK I just wanted to no how long it stay your body can you flush it out with water
this man...never ever went throuhg withdrawl!! i been on subs for 10 years strong and i got off for a whole 17 days one time!!..here's the secret! 1:God! 2: you cant hold down a job 3: what do i do after i'm done with subs? 4: how do i fight the day without sleep 5: how do i make myself eat? 6: how do i go to the bathroom? 7:how do i fight the depression? 8: how do i fight THE CHRONIC FATIGUE !!!!!!
What is Dennis credentials to declare yourself and expert? Do you know the distinction between expertise and authority.? What is your background on research and science?
On since 2006, detoxing myself now. Day #3, using Clonidine and it is helping some, but these inside tremors that I am having are hell. I keep fighting. If I have to, I have some that I can take a crumb if I need to, but I am determined not to do that.
Ive been on opiates 8 yrs and suboxoxne 1 1/2 yrs my scrip was lost in a car accident i believe i have paws its intollerable i have had panic & anxiety before i was on it now its horrable and crippeling i took benzos 2 days ago it was a big help but i cant replace suboxone how do i get in a clinic like new dem and suboxoxe is the worst ive ever had physical&mental&im intollerable to antidepressants it makes symptoms worse I hate waking up ambian&benzos help
I am on a slow taper, I originally was on 24/8mg a day, which I tried to taper myself from half of an 8/2 strip, to nothing. Failed because withdrawing was so nasty and I couldn't manage. I sought out a solution and found a very supportive clinician Psychiatrist who put me on 1 strip of 8/2, I have been tapering and I am currently at one 2/0.5mg strip a day. The plan is to go to half of one of those and then to nothing...I a scared to death of withdrawal. I was wondering if anyone has done this taper routine and if so how and was it for you?
Was on the tablets for 3 years. Weaned down to 4 mg a day. Went off and I'm now on day 9. The wds are the worst thing I have gone through in my life. I feel like I'm dying. They say it lasts months.
I was put on 20mg a day in 2007. I'm down to about 1 mg a day now. I have 1 8mg pill left. I plan to use this pill by taking crumbs until it's gone. I kicked methadone... about 400mg back in 2006 and it took about a month to come off. It was terrible though. 23 days with no sleep. I'll hoping this won't be as bad but expecting the WORST. I know I can do this.
Thank you for your testimony....PTL! Yes, Jesus will never fail. I'm currently praying to Him for deliverance from Sub and if you read this, please say a prayer for me as well. God Bless!!/Jack
Trading one drug for another drug doesn't work...if you can don't take subs...worst withdrawal I've experienced of course I didn't have help cause I didn't have insurance and I got them from a dealer so I abused them...but after 3 years of taking them around 16 to 24 mgs a day I stopped cold.turkey and it was.not good at all but I managed to do it which is surprising and been clean 1 year from everything. ..the withdrawals from subs keep me.from using again...whenever I think about it I go back to do I ever wanna feel like.that again...only thing after a year I still deal with is depression but it gets better everyday..everyone is different in how it will effect them..just know it can be done and if you have a choice don't take it..and find sum one to talk to about it...I didn't have any one and I think that would have helped me out..good luck to all
Oh wow 20mg subutex a day? That's quite a lot, glad to hear you went down to 2mg the second time. My psychiatrist is trying to rush me through this, I went from 8mg/day to 0.5mg/day without much issue, now he wants me to just 'stop'. The mental and physical pain are unimaginable, and I want to take one so bad. But I want to willpower my way through this. Can I do that?
i am on methadone i am down to 15 mg could u tell me if suboxone is better than methadone as i am 10yrs on meth and i want to get off please reply to me thanks
I am on sub almost 15years, 8mg,16mg was my therapy.. when i try to get of, i cut the dose from 8 to 1mg by day, and about 1 mont on 1mg i stop juse it.. it was ok first 15 days, but 19 day i have the wost pain in my life.. now i more than two years on 1mg dose, i going to cut that on half mg eatlise 30 days than i going off, no matther what
It took me 90 days to feel normal after taking suboxone. Wrecked my thyroid, sex drive and Testosterone. I was prescribed this drug for pain management due to a back injury and chronic pain. Full agonist opiate withdraw usually takes about 3 to 4 days. Suboxone can take up to a year. This drug has saved many lives only to wreck them during detox. If you are on Subs, do not even attempt to stop them unless you have something to sleep or you will be at work falling out of your chair.
It should be explained that it will take this long but I have never talked to anyone that has had a Dr tell them anything about WD's. My friend is trying to ween off of pain pills by taking subs. I told him about the difference in half life but he doesn't understand yet. I am expecting a class action lawsuit in the near future.
TRUTH BOMB @ 8:30 mark. I’m begging for the answer. About to lose everything I care about. I’ve been taking it for 12yrs and I’m stuck in my own personal hopeless nightmare.
I got off heroin with sub and that was 4 years ago....I'm still on suboxone. I hate this shit and withdrawals are worse than heroin IMO so I'm stuck now.
Can someone plz tell me how long the vomiting an nausea part lasts ive threw up so much more then i ever have in my life where i have nothing else to throw up i feel like I'm dying
Bre Faulkner everyone is different all depends. ..took me awhile 2 months to even be able to get decent sleep....it's been a year and slowly each day gets better...but I just haven't been able to kick the depression. ..but I'll get there...hope all is well for you
What about someone who doesn't have a treatment plan and are buying them off the street and abusing them or started buying them to get off heroin themselves? What advice do you have on getting off of them without a regular doctor helping by monitoring your dosage? when rehab is not an option.
***** down to 2 mg a day. I'm not sure what to get down to, mg wise, and for how long on that mg before I can be done completely. Also, what vitamins should I take for strength, or what sleep aides work to help with sleep? I appreciate you responding to my original post. Thank you.
Hello I know u might not read this but I need your help.iam 21yrs old and been doin heroin 4 two yrs and I really need help iam stuck and I don't know what to do.i would love to c u a doctor pls help me....
Where is this place and do you take insurance from Walmart lol I am 6 plus years on it 6 to 8 MG a day.. I want off so bad I'd surely take the detox center route ...
You do not need health insurance to get off subs. If you want advice on how to stop subs - effectively without relapsing- I’d love share with you how I did it. I wanted freedom from being on pharmaceuticals period, and after a ton of research and a little hope I did it on my own- you can too!
The only Experts of suboxone or the ones that's took it for years! Dr- withdrawals only take 7 days ! User- I took my last dose 5 months ago I'm still got withdrawls !
I take this medication for pain and it's amazing. Prior to this I was on morphine, Norco, Adivan ect. All at the same time, now I take Suboxone for pain control. This medication also stabilized my anxiety so I'm on alot less of medicine. I do however worry about the side effects long term. What suggestion do you have?
I took my time as told and after a year decided to taper off-it took 9 months and I got down to doing near 1/4mg after a week I stopped and had near zero withdrawal. I know of many others who as me, had little to no withdrawal. My guess s in those "horror" stories the person was not on long enough, did not change basic emotional factors and perhaps went off at too high a dose ( 1mg is too much by the way) I thank God for buprenorphrine
I'm already on Xanax remron Valium and bupe subutex I was on suboxone for 5yrs lost all my teeth and weight went from 125 when I was on vicodin 4x's a day 10mg for 1yr dr cut me off suddenly so rehab was my only option they started me w/methadone it got me High I demanded the new treatment sub the naloxone made me angry&vomit&migraines daily I suffer chronic pain from poly-arthritis&fibromyalgia switched to subutex 2yrs ago but now...
thank you..your video was very informative..im a patient in pain management treatment..i have a brachiel plexus injury from a motorcycle accident 4 years ago..alot of nerve damage. ive also been diagnosed with crps..ive been on fentanyl patches and oxycodone for my pain but i still have pain spikes..my dr. is recommending this medication to help me get off my meds and try to relieve my pain..i really hope this helps..what do you think of the ketamine treatments?
My name is Jose and i can tell you that today im finally off suboxone these people save me from having to go tru hell please God bless this people thank you thank you thank you.
i tried to get off suboxone and after 14 days of misery i got with my family doctor and she prescribed catapress. it works pretty well. byntal for the stomach issues too. sorry about the spelling. But I had waited too long and when someone came around with suboxone i couldn't resist. so im going to try and titrate down to under 2mg and then try the meds she put me on. I wish she had given me something for anxiety because that was pretty bad.
I was on 16mg and choose to taper over a year why not? Suboxone allowed me to feel myself again. Not chasing after higher amounts and no "high" I tapered slow as suggested and had near zero WD exceot one night of insomnia. When I stopped I was taking mere "crumbs" perhaps less then 1/4mg. I hate to suggest folks are not being honest or maybe they went too fast or did not get change attitude but easy for me and I know about WD having kicked 400mg plus morphine 2X Bless sub!
I am on day 8! only been takin subs for a straight year. and on and off for a few years before that. I have not seeked medical help. no insurance. and did subs off street. will valume xanax and maybe hydrocodone help? if I am careful. don't wanna get addicted to those either.
I took subs for about 7yrs. I got off it without telling my Dr because I didn't think I could quit and didn't want to lose my Dr but after I quit the subs I quit my Dr. I cut down over months, from 3strips a day, until I was cutting strips into 8 pieces. I always took them at night and over time I started to forget to take my strip. One night I realized I hadn't taken any, I thought about it and couldn't remember the last time I had taken one. That was it for me, I haven't had another. I never thought I would quit but I got tired of the hassle. Knowing I was doing it on my own helped too, I think. Hope someone can use this to quit.
I take 3 a day it's been about 3.5 years I have health issues and hair loss ever since I started but I deal with them because It has helped me tremendously and I now had my doctor start weining me down so now I take a 2.5 8mg a day and I am hoping it doesn't take over a year I am thankful for all the help I got from my doctor but I just can't deal with this controlling me anymore how did u do this and of u have any other tips for me I would appreciate it
+Brittny Hudson I'd be glad to help anyway I can. Do you take your 2.5 all at one time or some in the morning and the rest at night?
When i was taking 3 a day I took 2 in the morning and1 at night. When I cut to 2.5 I cut back my 2 morning strips to1.5 and kept my 1 at night. I couldn't tell a difference between taking the 2 in the morning and the 1.5, I felt the same.
After a few months I cut down my 1.5 in the morning to just 1, I didn't tell my Dr. It was easier for me to cut down on my own, I don't like being told what to do. I kept taking my 1 at night.
If my writing confuses you let me know and I'll try to explain it better. I'm not a writer.
+Louie Smith I take my 1.5 at 11 am and then around 4 I take the other one some days I can take only 2 and I feel fine and I don't notice but I feel like with my anxiety and my stress I will take more I started this month taking .5 less but it's more me being afraid cause I been on it so long and I just want to get off of it and have that will power to not take more than I should but I no I can do it I want to just get this over with
+Brittny Hudson if cutting .5 at a time makes you anxious then cut a 1/4 off for a week or two. It helped me to just cut a little at a time over a few weeks until I got down the whole half. I could not stand the anxious feeling so the slower the better helped sometimes.
+Louie Smith thank u I appreciate it I have anxiety bad so I just want to do this the rite way efficiently and make sure I don't have to take time off work or feel like I am dieing
Are you kidding me? Coming off Suboxone is horrible. A nightmare even coming off as the doctor ordered. The doctor I dealt with is just that. A dealer. Glad I'm clean now and living free... No opiates!
sooo happy for you and your sooo right my friend doctors are just that dealers. they should be locked up cause they have so much to answer for. my son is in this shit and has been 4 some months. i have seen no improvement in his condition at all. i am so scared for him its not funny. he has lost so much wait and is very agitated and highly strung. the doctors are to blame for so much of where hes at. i could go on and on but am way to upset. good luck to you birddog 108.
Birddog108 more horrible than a person could ever imagine and tapering makes no difference don't believe the bs
Woka Floka Jst started taking 3 time a day, i was on smack will it help me??
sarthaktandon21 yes they do help, I've used them a few times. Once u get in the right headspace to quit the 'smack' the subs help. I've never taken high doses at once but maybe at most 2-3 x2mls a day if needed but it depends on ur habit size and willpower. U frill feel a bit shit at the start but once a couple of days in push on and all good. ✌🏼and good luck.... I always find different surroundings/holiday at same time help, the hard bit is staying clean!
IF YOU TAKE NO MORE THAN 4MG OF BUPRENORPHINE AND TAPER TO ZERO IN A MONTH IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. TAKE MORE AND YOU HAVE A NEW - MAYBE WORSE PROBLEM. ALTHOUGH SOME JUST GIVE UP AND WOULD RATHER BE ON BUPE THAN ON H -- IF INSURANCE PAYS THIS MIGHT WORK WELL.
I am a 51yr old female on suboxone. I have back issues, fibromyalgia and a free other medical issues mixed with mdd, and ptsd with generalized anxiety. I came off of suboxone at the 1mg point. Wdwls were horrendous and the paws lasted well into 8months. I finally went back on suboxone because I couldn't take the pain and did not want to take opiates for relief. They effectively help me manage my life and pain. If I could do it without and still manage my pain I would but its impossible. I have no choice but this drug. For some of us it indeed gives its a life and we have to ignore the snide remarks and looks. I'm not a heroin addict but I'm made to feel like one because of the med I use tho control pain,yet if I took oxycontin people wouldn't say a thing. What a messed up world.
Jesus bless you more sis
Joan'ne Valentina if your in pain it’s no different than morphine or OxyContin you are in pain believe me I’m dealing with pain clinics and it’s getting very hard too deal with they declare war on pain patients as far as I can see I’ve been dealing with withdrawals and pain the cdc didn’t put any restrictions on opioid replacement I see this is four years ago I hope you doing well
I have fibromyalgia and took Vicodin for pain. I started low dosed immunotherapy and immediately started weaning from the Vicodin. So glad I am now off of it . Low dosed immunotherapy is not covered by insurance but has been a godsend. It is available through telemedicine if there is not a provider nearby if you are interested. I also seen a TH-cam video where someone said she weaned off suboxone very slowly and she used potassium , heating pads, epsom salt baths and shakology successfully. I hope you get to feeling better and no longer need the suboxone.
I sure understand.I am 57 and I will take it for life.Ive tried getting off everything but have used opiates so long my brain never will return to normal.Where Im from subs are only 5.00 a month.I have no memory problems.I just dont let anyone know that I'm on them anymore.
I am also a 51 year old female and as you might know people are Less sympathetic and supportive than they are with younger people...the thinking maybe is that we are " old enough to know better". They dont get that it is an actual medical condition that says nothing at all about one's character or strength. I was on Suboxone for 6 years at 24 (!!) mg per day. Went off of it myself because I waa tired of the " game " one needs to play to get Suboxone. People found out I was on Suboxone and now I am looked at as less of a person. Even by my own family. I dont regret giving up opiates but if Id stayed on the real opiates, no one would know. All the rock-bottom stuff happened After I quit. Yup. Messed up world. Ignorant health care " professionals ", judgemental nurses, and a society that demonizes the very people who are Fighting one of the biggest battles a human can fight. So cheers to all the warriors! You get to come back. You do. But it's hard and if you think I'm being dramatic, you've not been there. I'm always a little grateful when someone Doesnt understand: there are too many of us that do. Big sarcastic thanks to doctors and big pharma for giving us all those groovy pills. Hope you're happy now.
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Take my money!
ive been on 8 mgs of xanax and 16 mgs of subutex a day and attend atleast two 12 step meetings a day and am very involved and am slowly tapering down i pray that i can put this behind me i have a good doctor whos known for being able to comfortably taper people off these drugs please pray for me
Lucky your doctor didn't kill you man, I had a seizure and died on my porch for two minutes due to the mixture of xanax and suboxone. It stopped my heart and sent my into convulsion.
Holy cow. Theres no way you feel any emotion at all? This is coming from a long 14 year drug career. Past thank god but still theres no way you can feel shit that high. I pray you are able to one day be free.
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The post acute withdrawal from suboxone is terrible and long as heck. Acute isn’t fun... but manageable compared to other opiates. But as a whole it’s fricken terrible! I’m a couple weeks away from being a year clean from Suboxone and I still deal with paws symptoms. It’s a roller coaster ride. I’ve documented my whole journey here on TH-cam as well. It can be done!
Oh. And the reason you get depressed without opiates is because opiates are perhaps the single best broad-spectrum anti-depressant. If you're depressed, and opiates can't help, *there is no help*.
Suboxene made me have pain. I have a serious back. My back feels better without it. Opiods get into your bones which causes more pain. ONce I got off all opiods. my back and pain has gotten better.
I hope my back pain goes away
You CAN quit and you don't need to ween! It may help you to cut back but either way it IS doable!! I took Suboxone for 3 years and quit cold turkey from 8mg. It took me about 30 days to feel somewhat better but it's done and I haven't looked back!
Omg I wish I could
Bro your wrong I'm on day 25 suboxone withdraw and it was worse than comingkoff methadone! Every prescribing doctor needs to go through it so they truly know!
if i could say anything positive it would be this addicts know and really your all so much stronger than you think
Day 7 it's getting a little better sleep is the worst thing but I going one day at time.
My question is, what does sub do to your brain during long term use. Cause it's made me feel soulless and stupid
me too.. someone would tell me I said or did something I couldn't remember 3 min ago. big time short term memory loss for me anyway.
yes im souless and stupid as well, we need to get off... this was a year ago... you off yet?
pray. keep praying
You hit the nail on the head with that one... I've been on methadone for 12 years and I don't feel emotions... I've seen times where I had to go a few days without it because I missed an appointment and within 36 hours my emotions came back with vengeance.. I couldn't watch something on TV without crying... But I didn't realize how numb I have become because of it.. It definitely has effects of the brain that they don't tell you about or discuss... It's been proven that Oxycontin has effects on the brain and makes people very self centered and turns them ugly.. All drugs do I guess.. But a monthly injection is good for anyone who wants to have a life and not have a leash attached to the pharmacy.. But it is definitely a double edged sword.. Because you are giving them free reign.. Not to mention the fact that pharmacies make a living from dispensing fees and the privately owned pharmacies would go belly up if all of a sudden everyone switched to a monthly injection.. .I don't think all clinics are offering it... I know that they offer suboxone now as a first response to harm reduction...before it was called methadone maintenance.. But now it's called opioid recovery program.. And everyone who gets on the clinic is given suboxone instead of methadone ...i wouldn't mind switching.. But at the same time I don't want to sit there for 15 minutes while the sublingual tablet dissolves under my tongue with methadone I drink it and go... I know it has done serious damage to my insides... 15 years with hepatitis c ..is starting to take its toll on me... And methadone is just as harmful to the liver.. Most people when they get on it start to eat healthier and look after themselves so it overrides any harmful effects of the methadone.. And those people usually seek treatment for hepatitis c when they get connected with the resources of the clinic.. But not me I don't trust those treatments.. Especially the interferon it's gotta have some long term effects and destroys your immune system .. But I'm definitely headed towards the danger zone of chronic hepatitis.. My body reminds me of that fact everyday... I just watch my diet and exercise eat lots of apples that helps pass the toxins that can build up in the body
Exactly why I decided to quit... Couldn't get my subs and saw how numb I was... Last week I was on 2 subs a day... I'm on 2 mgs now. Phew!!! Not as bad as I thought... Gotta say!
I have done a ton of research on this subject. I can honestly say this guy seems to know what he is talking about.
Great video. Quit while your young you'll get back on your feet quicker. U can do it.
I hate the stigma that comes w this drug. YES it is prescribed MOSTLY for those two reasons, but it is also prescribed for long term chronic pain (or in my case it was, because I didn't want to be on hundreds of pain pills per month, was allergic to some, and refused to administer fentanyl patches to myself at home wo the access of a Dr. to monitor me for fear id go to bed at night and not wake up!) ... I feel for those who need it for getting off opiates, heroin and methadone, but I also don't let many people know that I am on it (including some doctors) because they automatically think that I was a drug user because that's what this med was originally designed for. Just like some heart medications can be used for anti depressants, or some anti psychotics for sleeping, or other meds having many different uses other than just what they were originally made for. I think on the papers they give you with your prescription it should have other uses listed other than just for getting off opiates or street drugs. I'm not putting down anyone, I just don't think it's fair how some people look at me or treat me when they find out I'm on this medication.
sundragon1976 I agree with you! There is tons of health care providers who make negative judgements when a patient is taking Buprenorphine. What you're mentioning is called "off label" prescribing and we do this often. Be careful about not telling your doctor what medications you take. What happens when you're prescribed something that counteracts? If you don't feel safe telling your doctors you take Suboxone/Subutex tell them you're on Butrans Transdermal. It's the same active ingredient, but specifically indicated for chronic pain in the USA. I hope that is useful to you!!! I can totally empathize with you!!! I've been there!!
Clayton Timberman oh I do tell my doctors for sure! I would be scared for something bad to happen I'm just saying I don't like to because of the judgment. Thanks a lot for that though I will start saying the other name. :)
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Jai Jamison wow, I'm so sorry that for whatever reason I'm JUST NOW seeing your reply (from 44 was ago!)
Anyway, so sorry to hear about your pain and then your nasty roller coaster experience with the Dr.s upping and upping your meds! Argh!
How are you doing? Still on the subs?
I have been off of them cold turkey for a 13 mos now! Yay! However...... switched myself to kratom and now the lovely DEA wants to take that away from me 😓 I finally found something that helped so much that wasn't deadly and the mentally sick people of power want to decide for me what I can and can't take, just so they can line their greedy little pockets. Makes me irate, scared and sad.... I know I'll never go back to opiates or subs, but unfortunately a ton of people will and there are going to be lots of overdoses on their hands! Then again they don't care, cuz they made money off of that too! (Dr.s visits, money for prescriptions, people going to rehab, etc. etc. it's truly disgusting.
So now that I went on a rant about that too lol... I hope you're doing well! Sorry for all your pain 😓 I'd say take kratom it's a miracle herb, but.... 😝. Take care.
sundragon1976 yes I agree
Its cruel how 2 mg is the smallest dose..
2 MG is still a big dose, and going from that to zero would be insane.. You have to get takeaways save them up somehow and slowly cut the last bit down..
Closer you get to zero harder it gets..
You wont sleep properly for months after getting off this stuff
2 mg isnt smallest dose 0.4 and 0.2 mg
I'm on day 21 and got off from a quarter is the 2 mg pills. So half a MG. I used kratom for a few days but then started needing that so I stopped that and yeah you're right I haven't got a good night of sleep since. I can't wait to get some real rest.
It sucks tossing and turning all damn night
Smallest Subutex pills = 0,4mg. Same pills with lower dosis 0,2mg are for pain patience not for substitution...
I need something, I was not expecting this. I'm on day 4 with no bup and and dropped off from .25mg It's crazy how bad this is right now for me.
I went this guy’s clinic and met him.Once again I’ll say the first two weeks where a breeze but the months after that where brutal and I relapsed.PAWS.
How is this shit legal and not weed... I'm just saying...
Prescription.
Its not legal. As a matter of fact its far more illegal than weed. Some states allow you to buy weed in shops. You are not going to get suboxone without a script.
XlunacyinblackX It's a much better alternative than heroin addiction. Suboxone and methadone are used to keep the crime rate down and keep tabs on junkies. However, suboxone does save lives.
Lia Pastohrias actually, it's been PROVEN that it's easier to come off of controlled doses of Percocet(oxycodone) or heroin (diacetylmorphine) rather than a fully synthetic opioid like suboxone. It's near impossible for an opiate addict to not take all the pills that make them feel good without overdoing it unless under supervision and someone is giving you your medicine at specific times through the day. Suboxone is fucking terrible and I was only using it as a way to stave off withdrawal until I got down to an insanely low dose to where I can take oxycodone again, cause I'd much rather come off of oxycodone than synthetic shit.
It is legal...
The side effects from taking it have actually been a detriment to me after the first few months. I’ve been on it about 8 years. I took about 2-4 mg a day for a long time but have went UP to 8mg or more a day now. I quit cold turkey for two months once, and I relapsed because I started my junior year in college. I was finally sleeping and over the physical withdrawal after a month but wasn’t prepared to function mentally or emotionally in school and work. I only got two weeks off work to detox and was mostly okay at work, but adding school was too much. 4 years later, I’m still on this shit.
How are you doing now???
DON'T LISTEN TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU CAN GET OFF IT, THEY WANT TO SCARE YOU!!! YOU CAN COME OFF ANYTHING, JUST GIVE IT TIME, PATIENCE AND TAPER YOUR AMOUNTS SLOWLY, THERE IS NO RUSH!!! ALL THE BEST:) GOD BLESS XO :)
i'm at 2mg Is it harder after this point ?
You need to get way under 2mg before you jump off. Ive heard you should get down to .25mg and then do days on and days off at that amount for a few weeks before jumping off and youll still feel like shit but at 2mg youd feel like mega shit.
Buffster0896 what is this kratam. ? I’m terrified, I’ve gone through suboxone withdrawal and it was worse than 23 hours of labor!! And bs suboxone withdrawal is waaaaay worse than it was with OxyContin
Smile um he said nothing but facts...please explain how he is wrong...he is right that once u jump off subs, withdrawals can last for a month or months time depending on person and length taken/situation and they will give u other meds to aleviate that and make it a pretty much smooth ride, especially again if u tapered right, plus even that much better if u exercise, eat right, to u name it...nothing he said was negative or harmful...of course its best short term, but some people been out of normal lifes loop for decades on drugs, those are the ones get on subs for a years time to stabalize themselves and their life, their relationships, before they focus on the actual withdrawal and taper itself, but yes i agree even they shouldn't be on it more than a year or 1 sub max for example and honestly its people themselves that also beg doctors to stay and not taper and stay for 3 5years plus, come on now, and its not like he said anything for or against any of that, he clearly could have even added that if he wanted to go further in depth, but as a whole he said straight facts...
it all depends on person to person, but if u do it right, it will work right...people are so fucked up with what they say, fuckin think first
Sarah Holliday my question is are u going thru that because u somehow forced yorself to jump off, lost insurance or whatevr it may be...because if u did it instead at treatment/the right way u would have gotten clonidine, valium, to help the rest of the way and wouldnt even be saying that...anyways kratom is basically a herbal opioid that will help, but u will also eventually have to come off that if like subs u take it long term...its the same with any withdrawal med...the point is u tapered and u jumped off, now get u some regular meds, excercise, eat right, and u will be straight...heck trust me if a doc gives u like a valium alone will make u feel right as rain...people make the shit worse than it is i swear...the problem or question really is, is a mf ready to quit forreal or not?! if so do it right, go hard
This man is very knowledgable on all aspects i respect this man to the fullest, thank you very much for helping so manny fellow addicts :) i just got out of sunrise detox in west palm
Day 6,doing ok but wow this is so hard! Having a goal really helps..u need motovation to succeed.
Do you win the fight? Sober? I wish it to you🍀
Sub withdrawal was worse and lasted longer than the damn percs....
Seems like the onset of we is a few days longer. Then. Worse than pain meds. Clonidine helping. MY Dr. Went out OF state and left now back-up Dr to write. I was wanting off anyway ,but dang.
pagansforbreakfast have you tried kratom it’s a life saver☺️
Sub withdrawal is the scariest and worst thing Ive ever tried to w/d from. Worse than the dilaudid I used to take. Wore than methadone also. It wasnt only physical but a severe mind trip of nightmare. Every new opioid treatment med promises to be less hard to come off of. For me its the exact opposite. The more synthetic the worse for w/d. This my personal experience. Ans I've tried everything to be opiod free.
Muffy Chao I've heard of it. How much did you take and for how long ?
juan baudelaire you should try to get your hands on the iboga plant, I hear it's like a Google search engine within your soul connected to the universe and your body and it has 80% success rate. Mainly because the other 20% just like drugs way too much.
I found it much harder to quit suboxone than any other opiate. When i quit suboxone i was taking it for about a year and a half and was tappered down to 2mg once a day. When i stoped i had horrible w/d for 60 days in a row. Ince i started to feel better (5-6months) i still suffered from paws, i tore 3 ligaments in my leg and had toget surgery, so i was perscribed percocet which indefinatly led back into using h again. I used for about 3 months. Now i am currently 22 days clean, and it was 100 times easier to quit this time than it was off of suboxone, maybe this is a miricale drug in detoxing somone, but in my opion horrible as a maintance program.
Kratom is also a partial agonist working on the MU receptors and is far less addictive than suboxone which is a natural and cheap way to detox against powerful opiate based drugs, and prevents new cases of traditional pharmacy based addictions using suboxone, and methadone methods of treatment.
It seems like you're replacing one drug with another that's all I have to say I hate coming off Suboxone but I'm glad to say I did because it saved my life in my own opinion
Encouraging
Have you tried kratom it’s a life saver🤗
Robb Jones not the same AT ALL!
It’s been 16 days since I dropped subs and Adderall after 5yrs on. Started at 24mg and tapered myself down over yrs, first to 16, then 8, 6, 4, 3, and 2mg without much change. Started to feel it below 2mg so switched to weekly reductions of .25mg until I was down to .25 for a wk and jumped. Yes it’s looong but it’s not as violent as dope or reg opiates. Clonidine really helped my RLS and helped me sleep. I’m still dealing with PAWS but so far it’s only insomnia and no motivation
How are you doing now?? How long did it take to go away??
just curious...what is he referring to when he says "a long time"? 2 years? 5 years?
im on detox day 7 from 15 months of suboxone use and really i cant say its easy (constant fatigue headaches i cant seem to stay awake past 9pm and wake up at 12-2-4am with anxiety) but during the day making myself get up and doing stuff helps. seeing my family and talking about it helps and if you were given any meds (clonodine sleep meds anxiety) dont take it during the day because thats just making the fatigue worse. you will make it thru
I have been on suboxone for 5 years, I tapered myself on my last 8 mg strip 6 days ago took my last dose, day 4 OMG the pain was so intense I wanted to rip my face off, that's bad, I finally decided to start drinking just so the hurting will stop, don't drink to get drunk just to ease the pain,.
Hi!
I had 14 mg a day of subutex the last 9-10 years(never missed a day). I really ant to quit but im scared as hell.
Do you have any suggestions to how i can make it?
Reduce slowly, for month-years...
Me too!!
I've had RLS from subs way longer than pills
The maker of suboxone is Satan.
OGTripleDeuceUno I'm on day 8 and don't think I can do it anymore I regret ever getting on Suboxone
Just modern day methadone. Doctors instead of dope boys . Big Pharm is truly evil.
I agree I started off taking it for the right reasons...then I was taking off it and then started buying it from a dealer and then abused it for years and then had to quit cold.turkey and it was a horrible experience I know everyone is different but it was the worst withdrawals I've ever had...I think about getting high all the time but the 3 months after I stopped subs makes me never wanna use anything again...1 year clean off everything now and stuff is slowly getting better everyday
it is the truth I would say so it is prescribed for a good drug to help us come off of scripts but what helps us come off of suboxone
OGTripleDeuceUno. made by satan and pushed by drug dealers .. aka.. doctors .
This is one of the better vids on TH-cam, VERY informative, professional and helped me personally - thank you very very much for posting this for the world to see.
how is tramadol for suboxone withdrawl? how long many day after suboxone withdrawl shoukd i take the tramadol for best effects?
I can guarantee this man never went trough withdrawl.
Its so stupid. Never ever should suboxone be used long term, its impossible getting off it.
Jordon Mcmullin rapid detox man. 8000
what do you mean rapid detox?@@bowlingballmagic
Jordon Mcmullin Pontiac Michigan hospital offers a rapid detox
Where they sedate you with ketamine and put you through precipitous withdrawal for two days to get off of opioids
And then give you a shot of vivitrol and you go home
Best 9000 ever spent. You can get a loan to have it done. It’s safe, it’s performed in a hospital
No more being a slave to subs
I wish I could like this 17 times so let's begin👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 thank you for your time
I have Ben taking Suboxon since I was 13 and I am now 18 and I still cannot kick it and I really want to stop.
I was a heroin addict for 20 years and ive been on suboxone for 2years. This guy really knows his stuff. My experience agrees with every thing he said and sometimes you need that conformation to reassure your self. knowledge is power. If your on suboxone and want to get off, learn all you can. Thanks so much for the video Dennis.
Derek White
I agree with him as well. I know ppl who have came off subs and everything he is saying sounds familiar. I know ppl who it has taken a year to start feeling normal
I was put on suboxone by kaiser Baldwin park as a " pain management replacement for prior norco/morphine" 3 year use for chronic pain. I have been on suboxone since 11-2012. I am down to 1 strip cut in half 2 times a day. I do not get pain management from suboxone at all. I might have in the beginning. Now I have no energy, wide spread pain, migraines, nausea, anxiety.. I forget everything. I want to get off because I think that suboxone has made my chronic pain/fibromyalgia.
Suboxone has not only been a scarlet letter but has taking my life from me. I'm scared but I'm thinking after these two last strips I will not refil and go cold turkey. Any advice?
The first thing you need to do is taper down until you're literally cutting those
8 mg strips into 6 pieces, and only taking a single dose in the morning. After stopping the sub all together, you need to get some Kratom from a local herb and tea shop.
Im down to a little less than a mg and its still realy hard. You have to take it once a day than once every other day and so on.
You need adavan, any benzo and something for stomach. It really helps with withdraw. You need to get down to a milligram a day then go every other day.
I suffer from chronic pain & bipolar condition. I was on Vicodin HP, Oxy’s for 20yrs along with my bipolar meds. Since starting Suboxone 8/2 4 x daily along with Testosterone treatment 3 yrs ago I’ve never felt better & became way more productive & active. I’m 47 now. Opioids will effect Men’s Testosterone badly & something many doctors do not mention. When I was on pills. I was depressed, no energy, laid up in bed, anti-social, etc. Maybe I’m fooling myself but I feel like I did when I was in high school now.. I’ve dropped my depression meds & only take Subs now.
Please don't stay on subs long term. It is so hard to come off.
you can always give more drugs to cancel the downfall of the last drug, nice work!
well done, dont take that personal. you have my go for.
love to try it but pretty sure I can't afford it, no price listed on their website.
I have researched allot and this guy seems to know what he is talking about
I live in Oregon. I was an oxy addict for years. Went to methadone for 4 years and struggled to get off so i switched to suboxone for a year. My Dr. Put me on Butrans to taper. I quit using the butrans 16 days ago. Most acute withdraw is gone but am now dealing with a high level of anxiety. My Dr doesn't seem concerned or have a solution for me. Am also dealing with insomnia. What meds can help? Tried trazadone but it made me feel weird. Worried this isn't going to get better anytime soon. Help please!!!
My situation is unique in that the biggining of treatment, I was great! I had been clean of Heroin 5 yrs. Doing well. Old friends, If you follow visited & I fell for the one time won't hurt. Wisdom warned me!! The problem is that I take suboxone, After 1 yr I have given Antibiotics 5 times for Phuemonia and "Bronchitis", Although no testing. I am sick daily while taking Suboxone. I'm sure it slows lungs down. I cannot function/work for sickness & Energy loss. Is this possible from long term use?
How long should you be on suboxone. I’ve been on it for 3 weeks after using pain killers for 9 years
I've been on for already 7 years and can't get lower than 12 mg. I don't know what to do.
I was on methadone for 8 years previous to the subs (10mg/day for 3 years now), I seemed to tolerate it much better and didn't have any side effects! Side effects like confusion, fatigue, intense anxiety, skin conditions and hair loss! My body feels like its shutting down on me, I've been told I may have developed Lupus as a result of medication. It's bloody difficult dealing with withdrawal from any opiate/opioid but I feel the subs are especially nasty. I feel like a shell of the person I once was, thoroughly depressed and riddled with confusion and anxiety. Its like I've aged 10 years in less than two years. Beware of this drug, I may have to switch back to methadone as I'm not low enough to contemplate withdrawal. I desperately want to be free of this drug!
james ryan hey James! Recovering fentanyl addict, one year on subs, two months without subs. It took me a while to realize it was the suboxone that was causing me to feel like an empty shell of a person, I was determined to do whatever I had to get myself back! I do not recommend doing a drug free withdraw from suboxone, due to the months of acute withdraw it would have caused me to relapse on strong opiates. I don’t want to push my beliefs on anyone but I strongly encourage you to research Kratom if you have not already done so, how it works with your body & all the pros and cons. I’ve been on a small dose since the day I stopped subs and I feel fine, not high, but fine. With a tolerance and dependency as high as ours, Kratom is a life saver- literally- in getting you off subs or opiates in general. Herbal Salvation has some of the best kratom around, I would advise you to purchase it online after researching various companies & not buying it from a local smoke shop-big difference in quality and price! Let me know how things are going for you!
Ide rather be dependent on mother nature with my own free will.
Finally someone speaking the truth!! Good on you my brother... mother nature reigns supreme!!
I got stuck on morphine after an accident and was put on suboxone 16mg 10 years ago . I feel like a dog on a leash ,but the doctors keep telling me to stay on it . Now I don't know if I ever get of it with all the symptoms, depression and adding fear .
Can any one identify with me for this long time and amount .
sputnic I was on methadone for 12 years and the last 3 years it has been on suboxone it has worked amazing for me I'm awake, happy, energetic etc. You're better off staying on subs than coming off them it's just like saying would you stop taking insulin to treat your diabetic disease you wouldn't you would not stop taking heart medication to treat heart disease people need to understand that opiate addiction is a medical condition that is a life-long condition I applaud you for staying on it good luck to you in your recovery
sputnic, I've been on suboxone for at least 7 years. I'll be honest with you, what frightens me the most about coming off Suboxone are the psychological withdrawal symptoms. They speak of the physical withdrawal as like having a terrible flu. Well, that's basically true for the physical, but I can handle the physical withdrawal standing on my head. It's the long lasting psychological symptoms that scare me. Because your brain has to basically "reset" to where it was before you started opiates. That can be a very long process.
sputnic I was on subs for 13 years and I'm 34 days free!! It's possible. I'm not through it fully yet, but everyday is a bit better after day 9-17. You can do it.
Suboxone is an awesome drug other than it has a horrible withdrawals, so you're just trading one monkey on your back for another. the ideal situation for suboxone is only for about a week's use, basically use it to get past the opiate withdrawals and then stop after a week any longer than that you'll have horrible withdrawals off of buprenorphine also.
James Piccone exactly what im doing four days off heroin and just took a small smidge off a strip of suboxen on tuesday. still feel great today! praise God. just use it a small amount once you won't wothdraw i have my damn life back i could shout to the mountains
Atia Breen I was addicted to the same myself, trust me you don't want to be addicted to suboxone also, it's longer of a withdrawal. Also save your suboxin for when it's absolutely the worst. don't just take it because you kinda feel bad. Another helpful tip is to make yourself go outside and do something. I know it sounds weird but doing that and eating good for a week helped me a lot with withdrawals. Then I was on it for a couple years and now I'm on the process of getting off of suboxin I'm down to a third a day but I wish I never would have done it or I wish it would have used it correctly to begin with..
James Piccone exactly right
James Piccone good luck buddy I was only taking. .01mg for 60 days its day 20 and im sicker than I was on day 4
Woka Floka I'm down to 1/3 a pill a day but I can't seem to get any lower than that without going through horrible withdrawals. I got a wife, kid and a job I can't exactly take a month off to go through withdrawals. Good luck to you brother. Even on that I wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning with horrible nightmares & then later in the afternoon is when I start my yawning and heavily tearing.
What about its metabolites ? are they partial also.
I just realized that I had approval required on all comments for this video. I just approved a few years of comments! I am sorry for those that commented. My bad. Dennis Hansen
I quit suboxone in a controlled manner using a tried and true system. Do this. Lets say you are taking 16 mg a day. Well cut that dose by 25% every fifth day until you are down to .25 mg. YES, that is .25 mg. Well, take that for 4 days, then take it every other day for four doses and then take it after every two days for 4 doses. By then, you should be able to quit. It works. The reason it works is because the half life of suboxone is soooo long it creates withdrawals down the line that hit you hard. by following this method you balance out the half life of the drug.
F##k off
SickofSub Pain You are terrible to come on here saying that. No wonder you are stuck taking subs. You have a horrible attitude. You will be taking subs the rest of your life because you are an insignificant and worthless person.
you do not mention ibogaine treatment (I realize it is not used in the US) but in other countries such as Mexico and in parts of Europe they use ibogaine treatment for opioid addiction as well as cocaine and alcohol addiction and it works wonders, some would say miracles. it is able to take a person that has been using suboxone for years at a heavy dose, a person that would normally withdrawal for weeks to months and yes people do withdrawal that long sometimes, and make the withdrawal period go away almost entirely. I would like to hear your thoughts on this treatment as well as its effectiveness and why it is not used in the US. is it because a pharmaceutical company bought the patent and refuses to do anything with ibogaine because it could cut into their profits and make suboxone and methadone almost obsolete? I think we all know there is no money in a cure for these companies and it seems like this is a big reason why ibogaine is not used in the US and people who discover it have to pay out the nose to go over seas and out of country to find the best kind of relief. thoughts?
+New Beginnings Recovery Center I was on suboxone for a few years along with Xanax,prescribed by a doctor,however I got into trouble with the law and was incarcerated for 45 days.Upon them finding out the drugs I was prescribed they had given me Librium for the first 3-4 days tapering me off at the fourth day,,they also had me drinking large amounts of Gatorade to flush the toxins out for the same 4 day period.Once they stopped the libriums I felt fine ,My question is why doesn't any other doctors take this same approach?
does new beginnings have a inpataint detox ,and do you take medacare?
After YEARS of suboxone I finally quit. My advice is to just quit the opioids. Unless you are coming off heroin or worse, oxys, DON'T TAKE suboxone. I wrote it in all caps so you know it's bad.
I was in a roll over car accident. Rolled my car 6 times... I have metal in my leg and ankle been rebuilt. I have one more surgery to look forward to. I was put on sooooo many different medications and those meds cuased me soooo much agony and trouble. I did mis-use them. I am currently getting subs but I feel like its been too long. I ask Dr for help getting off of them but they give me same amount every month. I don't want to be on any type of drug period. I cant be sick tho ????????
Does ultram help witgh withdrawl and if so, how effective?
I ironically had very mild symptoms coming off of suboxone. I was on it for about 1.5 years and tapered from 16mg to 4mg and came off at 4mg. I think I was so scared of what everyone has said about the symptoms that I was prepared for something much worse. I had an awesome doctor that gave me GREAT medications that made me sleep every night and feel relatively normal throughout the day. Clonidine, gabapentin, chlordiazepoxide, promethazine, ibuprofen were the main medications.
ATLHooligan exactly, he basically said the same stuff in this video, if u do it right it wont be bad...proly most who had horrid experiences are those that fucked around took 2 3 subs daily for 3 5 years, then instead of taper proly somehow were forced to quit, lost insurance etc, so of course thats horrid...but if u stabalize yourself, yor life, take no more than 1, begin to taper, and when u jump off still at a treatment place u will get other meds like clonidine, valium to help alleviate the rest of that months or however long post withdrawal symptom period and u will be good...also many proly dont add exercising to that, eating right, etc...thats why u see some with horrid results and others say it was a breeze...def dont get the hating ass talk about the doctor period, he said nothing but facts
Can some please help me is he on about subetex it comes in a tablet I'm from UK I just wanted to no how long it stay your body can you flush it out with water
this man...never ever went throuhg withdrawl!! i been on subs for 10 years strong and i got off for a whole 17 days one time!!..here's the secret! 1:God! 2: you cant hold down a job 3: what do i do after i'm done with subs? 4: how do i fight the day without sleep 5: how do i make myself eat? 6: how do i go to the bathroom? 7:how do i fight the depression? 8: how do i fight THE CHRONIC FATIGUE !!!!!!
Seems like a nice guy. Non-judgmental.
What is Dennis credentials to declare yourself and expert? Do you know the distinction between expertise and authority.? What is your background on research and science?
On since 2006, detoxing myself now. Day #3, using Clonidine and it is helping some, but these inside tremors that I am having are hell. I keep fighting. If I have to, I have some that I can take a crumb if I need to, but I am determined not to do that.
why is a preferred SSRI for post acute withdrawals? Would you recommend Lexapro, or a long acting SSRI like Prozac?
get gabbapentin aka nuerontin for withdrawal.
Neurontin for withdrawal is nothing better than Tylenol. It's absolutely useless. Actually, I don't know what Neurontin is good for?
Ive been on opiates 8 yrs and suboxoxne 1 1/2 yrs my scrip was lost in a car accident i believe i have paws its intollerable i have had panic & anxiety before i was on it now its horrable and crippeling i took benzos 2 days ago it was a big help but i cant replace suboxone how do i get in a clinic like new dem and suboxoxe is the worst ive ever had physical&mental&im intollerable to antidepressants it makes symptoms worse I hate waking up ambian&benzos help
I am on a slow taper, I originally was on 24/8mg a day, which I tried to taper myself from half of an 8/2 strip, to nothing. Failed because withdrawing was so nasty and I couldn't manage. I sought out a solution and found a very supportive clinician Psychiatrist who put me on 1 strip of 8/2, I have been tapering and I am currently at one 2/0.5mg strip a day. The plan is to go to half of one of those and then to nothing...I a scared to death of withdrawal. I was wondering if anyone has done this taper routine and if so how and was it for you?
Was on the tablets for 3 years. Weaned down to 4 mg a day. Went off and I'm now on day 9. The wds are the worst thing I have gone through in my life. I feel like I'm dying. They say it lasts months.
I was put on 20mg a day in 2007. I'm down to about 1 mg a day now. I have 1 8mg pill left. I plan to use this pill by taking crumbs until it's gone. I kicked methadone... about 400mg back in 2006 and it took about a month to come off. It was terrible though. 23 days with no sleep. I'll hoping this won't be as bad but expecting the WORST. I know I can do this.
You can accomplish anything through Jesus he will never let you down it worked for me just pray an truly believe
Amen
Thank you for your testimony....PTL! Yes, Jesus will never fail. I'm currently praying to Him for deliverance from Sub and if you read this, please say a prayer for me as well. God Bless!!/Jack
oh lawd i was waitin for this comment 😂
Trading one drug for another drug doesn't work...if you can don't take subs...worst withdrawal I've experienced of course I didn't have help cause I didn't have insurance and I got them from a dealer so I abused them...but after 3 years of taking them around 16 to 24 mgs a day I stopped cold.turkey and it was.not good at all but I managed to do it which is surprising and been clean 1 year from everything. ..the withdrawals from subs keep me.from using again...whenever I think about it I go back to do I ever wanna feel like.that again...only thing after a year I still deal with is depression but it gets better everyday..everyone is different in how it will effect them..just know it can be done and if you have a choice don't take it..and find sum one to talk to about it...I didn't have any one and I think that would have helped me out..good luck to all
what do you people think of ibogaine?
Oh wow 20mg subutex a day? That's quite a lot, glad to hear you went down to 2mg the second time. My psychiatrist is trying to rush me through this, I went from 8mg/day to 0.5mg/day without much issue, now he wants me to just 'stop'. The mental and physical pain are unimaginable, and I want to take one so bad. But I want to willpower my way through this. Can I do that?
i am on methadone i am down to 15 mg could u tell me if suboxone is better than methadone as i am 10yrs on meth and i want to get off please reply to me thanks
I am on sub almost 15years, 8mg,16mg was my therapy.. when i try to get of, i cut the dose from 8 to 1mg by day, and about 1 mont on 1mg i stop juse it.. it was ok first 15 days, but 19 day i have the wost pain in my life.. now i more than two years on 1mg dose, i going to cut that on half mg eatlise 30 days than i going off, no matther what
And YES IT IS AS INTENSE (IF NOT WORSE) A WITHDRAWAL AS ANY OTHER OPIATE/OPIOID!
It took me 90 days to feel normal after taking suboxone. Wrecked my thyroid, sex drive and Testosterone. I was prescribed this drug for pain management due to a back injury and chronic pain. Full agonist opiate withdraw usually takes about 3 to 4 days. Suboxone can take up to a year. This drug has saved many lives only to wreck them during detox. If you are on Subs, do not even attempt to stop them unless you have something to sleep or you will be at work falling out of your chair.
J - took me 6 months. Did a number on my thyroid also. I wholly agree with your comments. Sub is a double edged sword.
It should be explained that it will take this long but I have never talked to anyone that has had a Dr tell them anything about WD's. My friend is trying to ween off of pain pills by taking subs. I told him about the difference in half life but he doesn't understand yet. I am expecting a class action lawsuit in the near future.
thank you for sharing. im on day 3 and its rough
do you take medicaid. If not how much is this.
TRUTH BOMB @ 8:30 mark.
I’m begging for the answer.
About to lose everything I care about. I’ve been taking it for 12yrs and I’m stuck in my own personal hopeless nightmare.
I got off heroin with sub and that was 4 years ago....I'm still on suboxone. I hate this shit and withdrawals are worse than heroin IMO so I'm stuck now.
Can someone plz tell me how long the vomiting an nausea part lasts ive threw up so much more then i ever have in my life where i have nothing else to throw up i feel like I'm dying
Bre Faulkner everyone is different all depends. ..took me awhile 2 months to even be able to get decent sleep....it's been a year and slowly each day gets better...but I just haven't been able to kick the depression. ..but I'll get there...hope all is well for you
what worked for me was the gradual reduction of the dose down to 1/8 of a 2mg pill
cheers
Can you tell me how it went for you, i am doing the same thing now.
A year of withdraw?? I'm on 16 mg daily and I hope that's not true
What about someone who doesn't have a treatment plan and are buying them off the street and abusing them or started buying them to get off heroin themselves? What advice do you have on getting off of them without a regular doctor helping by monitoring your dosage? when rehab is not an option.
+Kristofer Phillips how long have you been using subs and how many MG a day?
***** down to 2 mg a day. I'm not sure what to get down to, mg wise, and for how long on that mg before I can be done completely. Also, what vitamins should I take for strength, or what sleep aides work to help with sleep? I appreciate you responding to my original post. Thank you.
Kristofer Phillips also, I've been using them for over year.
i was on them for 3 years.
***** how'd you get off of them?
How to get off from 32mg of buprenorfin?-at least to 8mg?
Hello I know u might not read this but I need your help.iam 21yrs old and been doin heroin 4 two yrs and I really need help iam stuck and I don't know what to do.i would love to c u a doctor pls help me....
Are you clean?
Where is this place and do you take insurance from Walmart lol I am 6 plus years on it 6 to 8 MG a day.. I want off so bad I'd surely take the detox center route ...
You do not need health insurance to get off subs. If you want advice on how to stop subs - effectively without relapsing- I’d love share with you how I did it. I wanted freedom from being on pharmaceuticals period, and after a ton of research and a little hope I did it on my own- you can too!
The only Experts of suboxone or the ones that's took it for years! Dr- withdrawals only take 7 days ! User- I took my last dose 5 months ago I'm still got withdrawls !
I take this medication for pain and it's amazing. Prior to this I was on morphine, Norco, Adivan ect. All at the same time, now I take Suboxone for pain control. This medication also stabilized my anxiety so I'm on alot less of medicine. I do however worry about the side effects long term. What suggestion do you have?
I took my time as told and after a year decided to taper off-it took 9 months and I got down to doing near 1/4mg after a week I stopped and had near zero withdrawal. I know of many others who as me, had little to no withdrawal. My guess s in those "horror" stories the person was not on long enough, did not change basic emotional factors and perhaps went off at too high a dose ( 1mg is too much by the way) I thank God for buprenorphrine
My doctor doesn't know how to tucking get somebody off suboxone, he' SWEARS up and down to god that there's no withdrawl from suboxone.
@europhiCc im 22 i weigh 138 lbs been snorting subys for 7 years now......stuck in this shit , its like having a 22 without shells .......u got any?
I'm already on Xanax remron Valium and bupe subutex I was on suboxone for 5yrs lost all my teeth and weight went from 125 when I was on vicodin 4x's a day 10mg for 1yr dr cut me off suddenly so rehab was my only option they started me w/methadone it got me High I demanded the new treatment sub the naloxone made me angry&vomit&migraines daily I suffer chronic pain from poly-arthritis&fibromyalgia switched to subutex 2yrs ago but now...
thank you..your video was very informative..im a patient in pain management treatment..i have a brachiel plexus injury from a motorcycle accident 4 years ago..alot of nerve damage. ive also been diagnosed with crps..ive been on fentanyl patches and oxycodone for my pain but i still have pain spikes..my dr. is recommending this medication to help me get off my meds and try to relieve my pain..i really hope this helps..what do you think of the ketamine treatments?
My name is Jose and i can tell you that today im finally off suboxone these people save me from having to go tru hell please God bless this people thank you thank you thank you.
i tried to get off suboxone and after 14 days of misery i got with my family doctor and she prescribed catapress. it works pretty well. byntal for the stomach issues too. sorry about the spelling. But I had waited too long and when someone came around with suboxone i couldn't resist. so im going to try and titrate down to under 2mg and then try the meds she put me on. I wish she had given me something for anxiety because that was pretty bad.
If ur not on subs dont stay on longterm
I was on 16mg and choose to taper over a year why not? Suboxone allowed me to feel myself again. Not chasing after higher amounts and no "high" I tapered slow as suggested and had near zero WD exceot one night of insomnia. When I stopped I was taking mere "crumbs" perhaps less then 1/4mg. I hate to suggest folks are not being honest or maybe they went too fast or did not get change attitude but easy for me and I know about WD having kicked 400mg plus morphine 2X Bless sub!
I am on day 8! only been takin subs for a straight year. and on and off for a few years before that. I have not seeked medical help. no insurance. and did subs off street. will valume xanax and maybe hydrocodone help? if I am careful. don't wanna get addicted to those either.
Good video, very informative and helpful. There is so much info based on feelings, very little on "good" research and experience.