Technically it would be a seemingly endless string of 1s and 0s, but we like giving abstract figures human representations to relate to it better. It's why furries exist.
@@anpancake men why do alien look like alien when alien aint like what alien is like alien as well as being an alien to us, alien loving people that likes alien.
A decent amount of the time you can understand the moves of people better that are better than you. The main difference is that they are finding them vs you just understanding in hindsight.
If you notice all of his “umm”’s you then realize Levy is trying to let everyone know it’s beyond human comprehension. No mind can play this. Especially when there’s more possibilities on the board than stars in the sky. It’s actually pretty crazy.
@@svenpoletka5236 it isn't beyond his comprehension though. he obviously did some analysis and most of the time understands the rough ideas behind moves. sure, he wouldn't play those moves because a human != a computer, but that doesn't mean he can't break the moves down. what you're saying is the equivalent of a tennis coach not being able to tell a player what to do because the coach cant do what the player is doing.
"Leila lets the pawns in!!" Levy's recap mantra: "If a move doesn't look possible but gets played, it must be good!" This episode proves that beyond a doubt - just some ridiculous play. Engines are so sick. Great episode! Thanks for the hard work!
@@pokmanl9810 It’s levy’s mantra not the OP’s. Plus I think it’s just a playful saying rather than some absolute truth. Levy likes to just have fun and joke around a lot because a major priority of his job is to be entertaining. If you want objectivity go read a math book u nerd
"So this actually happened in a tournament just the other day, Van Foreest played this" *five seconds later* "No human in hiiiistory will ever play this"
right he probably had this video recorded before that one tbh and was ready to upload this during a period of dead content so fill gaps. It's normal for youtubers to create content and then release it staggered with recent event content taking priority and generic stuff like this video as filler content.
Its crazy that it happened in a high level tournament just a bit after it was played by the engine, shows how quickly the top guys pick up on these computer ideas
The craziest opening idea I saw was played by Leela Zero against Komodo(or maybe Stoofvless), where Leela (with white) played g3 and gave up the rook for nothing! Leela proceeded to win that game.
yeah that's the thing about those ai's. sometimes they do really ridiculous shit not even the engines would do. like moving the same piece over and over or putting the knight on an a or h square or just sacrificing stuff for nothing and then somehow 200 moves later they gain advantage from that. it's weird af.
But he is saying that as if it is from stockfish's perspective, and to stockfish Lucy and Benji are just a random woman and dog (respectively) ((yes I get that it's a joke))
Chess is such a crazy game. I have the impression sometimes that I “get” what is going on. I mean I know the pieces and how they move. But I’m blind to most everything else in the game as a beginning player. Watching these engines play and watching GM’s play I can think “okay this is how the game works”. It helps me be less bored by my low resolution ideas. Do I attack horse or do I protect my own horse? Oh wait I just missed that my bishop is about to get trapped. Oh well
@@Teritus911 Well. We can't *fully* understand every nuance, but super GMs watching the analysis do get the gist of most of the things it does. It's just not something they'd ever play because the engine sees way better than them and can correctly analyze a position 25 moves deep as winning due to a deep positional understanding. It's like an 1800 analyzing GM games. It's not like the concepts are incomprehensible to them. It's just waaaaaay above their level and they wouldn't come up with a lot of the moves on their own, or might even see the moves but not find an advantage the better player would (i.e. missed tactics, positional binds etc.)
15:48 "The queen is hanging, the rook is hanging, the knight is an idiot, and the bishop is trapped." Oh my god that was absolutely hilarious! White just doomed all of black's pieces and told the knight to know it's place, trash!
Kingscrusher introduced me to Leela, TCEC, and reinvigorated chess before the Queen's Gambit and pandemic even came around. Thank you for the higlight, much appreciated! For a suggestion: TCEC Season 14 Superfinal Game 63, a stunning 3 pawn positional sacrifice.
My 300 elo ass has personally thought about a "Battle King"opening that gets the king active early and makes it somewhat threatening. The idea being that you get the utility of an active endgame king gobbling pieces early
I knew long ago about Short-Timman, a great king walk, but just recently I looked at Spassky-Larsen which seemed very placid and then a king walk up the board and Spassky won. These things happen.
You are aware the engines are not smart? They just try every single possible moveorder and evaluate the outcome. They don't know why a move is good eighter.
@@Casa-de-hongos I’m not terribly sure and I’m not terribly knowledgeable on AI learning, but I think stockfish doesn’t test every possible outcome it instead uses alpha beta pruning. Especially in chess where there are so many variables, alpha beta pruning saves the AI time by not going through every single possible move and opponent response but instead testing only moves and outcomes that could be beneficial for it, though not too sure on how it determines beneficial outcomes
I’d like to see you play engines with piece(es) odds…. I think it could be instructive to see what you think is going to happen vs. reality, plus it’d be funny
I often wonder if the real engine metagame is to avoid the other engine playing it into a draw, and consequently, give a little room to push it into aggression, so that the stronger engine can take advantage and get a victory instead of a draw. I'm no where near good enough to know at all... But if that is what's going on, this is getting into the territory where the engines are playing something more akin to poker with each other where bluffing is starting to matter a bit in a sense.
@@psymar Right, but I think because the computers operate on a higher level than GM's their tactical efforts to bluff others into aggression play as just tactical errors to the level of play the engines are at. In other words, they are doing the "same strategy" but at a different level which in a sense is a meta progression of what GM's have already done, but still different because of the level of play... Maybe... Maybe not, again I'm not qualified lol. I can't tell if this is a critique of what I proposed or not, and it could be a justified critique for all I know XD.
5:24 "Add +7.0 positional advantage and -3.0 material advantage and you get +10.0 overall advantage" - Levy GothamChess Rozman 2022 P.S. This is a joke about the way that he said it, I'm not trying to be mean :)
Idea for another video in this series: get the position at 4:25 with white against Stockfish, play the Queen move and castle, and let's see how black replies!
Yeah but then he would still have to play the rest of the game, And he’d lose, Unless you’d like to plug another engine in again as white but that wouldn’t be the same as the computers actually playing against eachother
Stoofvlees is a type of stewed beef that they serve on fries in belgium, it is incredibly delicious. (I would call it Flemish, although I don't know if its common in other areas as well.)
Correct levy, stoofvlees is Dutch and is a popular dish in Belgium (we don't speak Belgian, that would be like saying you speak New Yorkish). It's basically stewed meat, usually served with fries or mashed potatoes
Stoofvlees is indeed dutch and means "beef stew". Engine could also be Belgian, that I dont know. If yall want to pronounce it like a dutch person say stoof, with an "o" as in low. And say vlees with an "a" as in Angel, aaaangel. Or dont I really like wrong pronounciations as well but in case you wanted to here ya go
Owned all of your courses for a while, please make a video on how to use the videos & the PGNs to study. I have gotten very little from $300+ worth of courses and it's not bc of a lack of trying. You say review these lines, what does that mean practically? Thank you.
Hey levi I just realised, stockfish saved 2or3 moves by playing Rc1 and then walking king to b1... by removing queen and long castling in traditional way and then playing Kb1 and Rc1 is 2moves slower.. engines are insane
Levy please please please please, make this videos a regular series. Most bonkers ideas by machines or something like that.... I find myself enjoying these kinds of videos a ton despite barely understanding anything. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks Levy.
The name Stoofvlees always cracks me up (beef stew). Btw stoof is pronounced like boat and vlees like hail. So Stoafvlais kind of phonetically... Good luck :)
To me it always reminds me of the time Craig Ferguson was told about the word around ten years ago and it became a running gag for a full episode. It's at the start of the "Some bits of Craig Ferguson cracking up!" compilation.
I'm grateful that you release content on a daily basis Levy. Seriously I cannot imagine the amount of work you put in but damn, it feels good when I see a new video with a crazy thumbnail popping in my recommandations. Your iroquois and your mustache are the alpha and omega of the chess world.
I've been watching most of your videos for quite some time, and for some reason this one was the most enjoyable ever. I'm glad you know the Dutch-speaking Belgians are Flemish. Stoofvlees is a word for a really delicous dish around here. It comes from stoof (=like a stove) and vlees (=meat). I'm sure it looks disgusting if you don't know it buts it's really good.
I didn't like that the other Chess AI battles used established openings then saw who was strongest. I want to see a completely novel opening that supercomputers come up with that changes chess forever
If you don't feed it some opening moves they will play the same openings they deem best all the time and you wouldn't see these new ideas. I don't remember but I think engines tend to play berlin as the first variation
I actually wonder how different chess would be if computer prep wasn't as good as it is today. I sort of wish I could peek into a different universe to see how openings would look like if people got to refute new ideas by themselves.
@@AlexDingsYea, but he would've wanted to see how modern chess would've changed "naturally" by humans in the 21st century, if there weren't computers more powerful than humans.
Love the exposure you're giving engines and their incredible ideas that GMs are putting into practice these days! Totally get that it's niche audience content to some extent, but every now and then (as you do) it's appreciated. I don't see this from Antonio (except once or twice years ago) and Kingcrusher loved Leela content only because he hates Stockfish and thought she'd de-throne it, and when SF incorporated NN tech from some clever shogi programmers (ironically, not from Alpha Zero papers like Leela's modeled after) - that's when SF took off like a rocket ship in elo and crushed Leela. So glad to see the inspiration behind so many GM games gets the light of day from a big content creator - couldn't ask for a better one too!
I fell off of chess for like almost a year and this is the first Gothamchess video I’m watching since mid-2021… I’m so glad Levy’s freak-outs at insane things done on chessboards are still as funny as ever 😂
Love this topic for a video, as a Benoni player that last game was fascinating, I love seeing engines play openings I care about, it makes me feel like the theory is really alive. great stuff.
The first four ideas were very specific ideas supported by tactics in the background. The last one was more positional. It brings a lot of doubt into black’s position if white can just absorb black’s queenside counterplay.
@@JezreM i meant to type 200 years but my keyboard is kinda messed up cause i spilled juice on it so it added the extraa zero and i was just too lazy to go back and change it afterwards
I am a ICCF Grand Master, so to understand engines, you must do the following method You must analyse (What are the 4 best moves ?) Then you think what are the 4 best responses of the other side to each move ? Then you self analysis which position will give your oponent less activity, less playable options, then you understand the engine plays. If you use this technique, no kidding, you can find all engine strong moves of the opening and (simple) middlegames On game 1 those king moves were also complete logical, because any pawn break to try to explore the white king would result in material gain for white
That’s actually very true when we think about it. If there is no specific way of breaking through for black and as white you gotta consolidate a little bit more to get a nicer position, the king moves make more sense now. Cuz I imagine playing a slightly different way like castling or moving the queen w.e. would alternate the position too much and it could give black some attacking chances. Moving the king was perfectly reasonable because there was no direct way for both sides tbh.
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I am just a lowly 1000 elo player but maybe not moving the queen out because it opens white up to lose tempi while black can pressure whatever square the queen moves to delaying the castle while black gets to set up their position
I'm not a good chess player, by any means, but here's my two cents on Stockfish king moves: If the goal is to get king on b1, rook on c1, and queen on d1, doing it by moving the rook to c1 and then walking the king to b1 takes one less move than moving the queen and castling. Ignoring black's moves, it's "Rc1 Kd2 Kc2 Kb1" against "Qd2 O-O-O Kb1 Rc1 Qd1". Stockfish wants those specific pieces in those specific squares, and doing it without castling is faster. Edit: okay, I see Stockfish plays Qd2, but in this cases both sequences of moves are equally as long, so it just doesn't matter if it's done with castling or not. Why the rook needs to be on c1, though, is something only Stockfish can answer.
That king move adventure: I have never played or studied chess-but one thing that comes to mind is backgammon thinking: there’s is a timing to everything. In chess people are always talking about tempos, you don’t want to waste moves/time etc…but what if sometimes you *do* want to waste moves? Maybe just by overadvancing your pawns you can spoil your own position? So you need to have a slow positioning?
That second variation I actually play myself, was so cool to see you feature it! Very fun line, especially in classical because you have much more time to think on cool tactics for mate
3:39 *"I'm out here trying to teach beginners not to make multiple piece moves in the opening, castle early and then stockfish here is like 'I'm the best thing that ever existed...' "* 😆😅🤣😂🤣😁😆😂😅😆😂😆😁😅😁😂
maybe part of the reason 3 king moves is good is because it forces black to move in a closed position where there may be no good offensive or defensive moves? idk
At around 2:50 the walking king, I believe, is not to be analyzed as it ends up at B1, rather that each step causes the opponent side to make (predictable) responsive moves . . . and this is what stockfish "wanted." If the opponent side uses historical chess game information to inform it's game, then that comp is as confused as we are confused/surprised. I think the computer is being funny. (i had this one bit comment, this video is an entertaining/info 33:45 of interestingness of deep human chess and chessycomputer analysis.)
well for game 5 i think the general "idea" is that a castled king side is a pretty strong defense so attacking on the queen side is better. just that it's hard when black already established an attack on the queen side and even harder when your own attack was focused on kingside/center.
I love how everybody gives these robots human ai bodies when in reality stockfish would just be a trash talking bass fish
Tbh, It wouldn't be a talking bass fish, but would be undefinable and will sound like soome weird code, would also look a bit weird.
Technically it would be a seemingly endless string of 1s and 0s, but we like giving abstract figures human representations to relate to it better.
It's why furries exist.
@@anpancake men why do alien look like alien when alien aint like what alien is like alien as well as being an alien to us, alien loving people that likes alien.
😂
Talking bass fish is the way to go lamo
Stockfish got into code geass anime and went like:
"If the king doesn’t lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow."
oooooooooooooHHHHHHHHH sheeeeEEEEEEeeeeEEEEssssHHHH
Underrated Comment 😂
This is the best comment here
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Yessss
The fact that stockfish has decided that bongcloud style opening is good actually makes me laugh
That's not bongcloud though
@@t-rozbenouameur5304 right, obviously not the bong cloud lol. The joke was that it seems counter intuitive that 4 king moves is superior to castling
@@vivianm1851 Very true. I can't see any human playing that sequence.
Me: that is clearly a blunder
Stockfish: brilliancy
Someone needs to call the arbiter. This stockfish guy must be using an engine
I'm telling ya man
yea i suspect it using nakamura's ceiling
I had to talk to my therapist about stockfish 7 and how it was running my life
Levy: "No human in history will play Kd2, Kc2, Kb1"
Jorden van Foreest: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Jorden was just following the computer line
@@everyzylrian It's really not that deep
@@jx_g wrong
Also Alireza played a similar idea in the Caro Kann on the Grand Swiss
@@yuristremel picture or it didnt happen. Jk but which game?
Levy: “I can’t begin to explain this to you”
Also levy : so basically what’s going on is
well he can try to make guesses from what the engine is threatening
Except that he didnt really give an explaination
Its like me 1000 lower elo player try to explain Magnus Carlsen moves.
I think its actually because the computer wants to make more moves for some reason but thats just a theory
A decent amount of the time you can understand the moves of people better that are better than you. The main difference is that they are finding them vs you just understanding in hindsight.
2:10
Stockfish: plays move
Stockfish: yes. I like this move.
what a coincidence
Who have guess it
Levy: "Engines are like the dumbest smartest things ever!"
Stockfish: "Was it a compliment?"
It was, since Levy or any human has no business criticizing moves beyond their comprehension.
If you notice all of his “umm”’s you then realize Levy is trying to let everyone know it’s beyond human comprehension. No mind can play this. Especially when there’s more possibilities on the board than stars in the sky. It’s actually pretty crazy.
Stockfish rates the compliment as equal
Levy: I don't know man, you tell me 😂😂😅
@@svenpoletka5236 it isn't beyond his comprehension though. he obviously did some analysis and most of the time understands the rough ideas behind moves. sure, he wouldn't play those moves because a human != a computer, but that doesn't mean he can't break the moves down. what you're saying is the equivalent of a tennis coach not being able to tell a player what to do because the coach cant do what the player is doing.
"Leila lets the pawns in!!" Levy's recap mantra: "If a move doesn't look possible but gets played, it must be good!" This episode proves that beyond a doubt - just some ridiculous play. Engines are so sick. Great episode! Thanks for the hard work!
Is it possible that stock fish is just trolling us?
I disagree with the second thing. 300s can also play impossible moves and also just lose all their pieces.
@@erikk17 jo06i00ih070067ha6ooag00
@@pokmanl9810 It’s levy’s mantra not the OP’s. Plus I think it’s just a playful saying rather than some absolute truth. Levy likes to just have fun and joke around a lot because a major priority of his job is to be entertaining. If you want objectivity go read a math book u nerd
@@aronianspigonian8589 Have you ever heard of something called “sarcasm”, mister?
"So this actually happened in a tournament just the other day, Van Foreest played this" *five seconds later* "No human in hiiiistory will ever play this"
Obviously he means without computer prep
right he probably had this video recorded before that one tbh and was ready to upload this during a period of dead content so fill gaps. It's normal for youtubers to create content and then release it staggered with recent event content taking priority and generic stuff like this video as filler content.
Implying Van Foreest isn't human?
Its crazy that it happened in a high level tournament just a bit after it was played by the engine, shows how quickly the top guys pick up on these computer ideas
@@camere1 Well, he would have to have been recording this after the van Foreest game, else he couldn't have mentioned it was played.
The craziest opening idea I saw was played by Leela Zero against Komodo(or maybe Stoofvless), where Leela (with white) played g3 and gave up the rook for nothing! Leela proceeded to win that game.
Unimaginable! Any link?
yeah that's the thing about those ai's. sometimes they do really ridiculous shit not even the engines would do. like moving the same piece over and over or putting the knight on an a or h square or just sacrificing stuff for nothing and then somehow 200 moves later they gain advantage from that. it's weird af.
>manually castles over 4 turns
Stockfish: Haha "tempo?" That's a funny word.
Levy: Stockfish here is like: "I'm the best thing that ever existed"
*Sad Lucy and Benji noises in the background*
They are not things
But he is saying that as if it is from stockfish's perspective, and to stockfish Lucy and Benji are just a random woman and dog (respectively)
((yes I get that it's a joke))
They know what he means
Chess is such a crazy game. I have the impression sometimes that I “get” what is going on. I mean I know the pieces and how they move. But I’m blind to most everything else in the game as a beginning player. Watching these engines play and watching GM’s play I can think “okay this is how the game works”. It helps me be less bored by my low resolution ideas. Do I attack horse or do I protect my own horse? Oh wait I just missed that my bishop is about to get trapped. Oh well
Well yeah, Justin, but also any human in the world cannot really understand these engine games.
@@Teritus911 Well. We can't *fully* understand every nuance, but super GMs watching the analysis do get the gist of most of the things it does. It's just not something they'd ever play because the engine sees way better than them and can correctly analyze a position 25 moves deep as winning due to a deep positional understanding. It's like an 1800 analyzing GM games. It's not like the concepts are incomprehensible to them. It's just waaaaaay above their level and they wouldn't come up with a lot of the moves on their own, or might even see the moves but not find an advantage the better player would (i.e. missed tactics, positional binds etc.)
In the second example Ke2 seems normal enough, but Kd3 is definitely sick.
That was me starting out now I'm 1900 and I understand most of the ideas and it's really quite fun to be able to keep up in though process
alternative title:5 very easy chess openings that every chess beginner should know or else they should reconsider playing chess
😭
Found Stockfish's youtube account
Levy I love these AI content. Machine Chess is simply fascinating because it is leagues ahead of us humans.
Humans made them, but they dindt use the right math creating them.
The King simply preferred a leisurely stroll over a rapid sprint
15:48
"The queen is hanging, the rook is hanging, the knight is an idiot, and the bishop is trapped."
Oh my god that was absolutely hilarious! White just doomed all of black's pieces and told the knight to know it's place, trash!
Kingscrusher introduced me to Leela, TCEC, and reinvigorated chess before the Queen's Gambit and pandemic even came around. Thank you for the higlight, much appreciated! For a suggestion: TCEC Season 14 Superfinal Game 63, a stunning 3 pawn positional sacrifice.
My 300 elo ass has personally thought about a "Battle King"opening that gets the king active early and makes it somewhat threatening. The idea being that you get the utility of an active endgame king gobbling pieces early
And you either get checkmated or forked into oblivion. Genius
@@Tiessie But the plan is to not
And that's how the bongcloud got created
@Verlisify you are a bad influence lol. Now i wanna try it
start playing the bongcloud
No human in history could take the king for a walk in the middle of the game...
Tigran petrosian: am I a joke to you?
I've also seen some pretty wild Yasser king manuevers in the middle of a game
Same for Alireza Firouzja. In 2020 in a Caro kann game. Hanging pawns has a video about it.
I knew long ago about Short-Timman, a great king walk, but just recently I looked at Spassky-Larsen which seemed very placid and then a king walk up the board and Spassky won. These things happen.
Crazy how humans managed to make engines so smart that we couldn't even understand what some of their moves mean
You are aware the engines are not smart? They just try every single possible moveorder and evaluate the outcome. They don't know why a move is good eighter.
@@Casa-de-hongos That sounds logical but I actually didn't know that, still I think they are playing "smart" moves
@@Casa-de-hongos I’m not terribly sure and I’m not terribly knowledgeable on AI learning, but I think stockfish doesn’t test every possible outcome it instead uses alpha beta pruning. Especially in chess where there are so many variables, alpha beta pruning saves the AI time by not going through every single possible move and opponent response but instead testing only moves and outcomes that could be beneficial for it, though not too sure on how it determines beneficial outcomes
@@Casa-de-hongos oh no, they know why it's good bcz they see the entire line
@@Casa-de-hongos indeed. One cannot be smart if they’re not conscious.
I’d like to see you play engines with piece(es) odds…. I think it could be instructive to see what you think is going to happen vs. reality, plus it’d be funny
Stockfish: Levy is Dumb
Levy: Stockfish is dumb
Levy: I am Stockfish
Also Levy : Ban Stockfish.
This escalated quickly
Also Levy: Stockfish is World Champion!
The manual castle by stock fish actually saves a move by keeping the rook on the b file
I often wonder if the real engine metagame is to avoid the other engine playing it into a draw, and consequently, give a little room to push it into aggression, so that the stronger engine can take advantage and get a victory instead of a draw.
I'm no where near good enough to know at all... But if that is what's going on, this is getting into the territory where the engines are playing something more akin to poker with each other where bluffing is starting to matter a bit in a sense.
I mean, GMs have been doing that for decades.
@@psymar Right, but I think because the computers operate on a higher level than GM's their tactical efforts to bluff others into aggression play as just tactical errors to the level of play the engines are at. In other words, they are doing the "same strategy" but at a different level which in a sense is a meta progression of what GM's have already done, but still different because of the level of play...
Maybe...
Maybe not, again I'm not qualified lol. I can't tell if this is a critique of what I proposed or not, and it could be a justified critique for all I know XD.
5:24
"Add +7.0 positional advantage and -3.0 material advantage and you get +10.0 overall advantage"
- Levy GothamChess Rozman 2022
P.S. This is a joke about the way that he said it, I'm not trying to be mean :)
I think he means +10 in positional advantage (with -3 material resulting in +7 overall). Confused me too for a second.
@@Casa-de-hongos Yeah XD
+4 position advantage
and + 3 For 3 Pawns
Total +7
@@MR__MAD__MAX +10 positional and -3 material =+7 advantage
“Stock fish is like I’m the best thing ever I can do what I want” this made me laugh so hard
Im proud of myself that I remember this sequence of move at 2:30
Idea for another video in this series: get the position at 4:25 with white against Stockfish, play the Queen move and castle, and let's see how black replies!
Yeah but then he would still have to play the rest of the game,
And he’d lose,
Unless you’d like to plug another engine in again as white but that wouldn’t be the same as the computers actually playing against eachother
Yeah you don't really need to play it vs the engine, you can just look at the line
Please more videos of engine chess. I find them absolutely fascinating and you are hilarious analysing them
Stoofvlees is a type of stewed beef that they serve on fries in belgium, it is incredibly delicious. (I would call it Flemish, although I don't know if its common in other areas as well.)
South of holland / Brabant aswell :) Frietje stoofvlees
We have it all the way in Friesland tho
@@Naccer2 nee dat zou een bamischijf uit de muur zijn
Someone should submit one of these games to guess the elo it would be hilarious seeing levy trash talk stockfish
Except Levy uses Stockfish to analyze, so he'd see they're playing all the best engine moves
Pick a different engine so it doesn't completely match Stockfish
Levi: “this was seen in a recent game in covered in my last video”
Also Levi: “no human in history will play like this”
Honestly, this is Guess The Elo but the tactics actually work instead of being blunders
I think it's actually guess the elo strongest blunders ever
I can only imagine a human like Ivanchuk to calculate that hypothetical "Ke2, running out of check" line in the second game. Mad stuff!
stockfish says ke2, kd3 is fine but says Nh5 is +1 for white
Levy: Don't make multiple piece moves in the opening
Stockfish: Levy, fortunately I'm not one of your students.
*evil laughs*
Plays kd2 kc2 kb1
If someone submitted that game where it looks like stockfish blunders a rook in the opening to guess the ELO, levy would guess 1000.
If he saw only up to that point, sure. Not if he saw the entire game, he would realize it's two computers.
12:35 i love how people never know how to say Dutch words🤣
Stockfish: *makes first move*
AlphaZero: “That is a BLUNDER” 🤖
Correct levy, stoofvlees is Dutch and is a popular dish in Belgium (we don't speak Belgian, that would be like saying you speak New Yorkish). It's basically stewed meat, usually served with fries or mashed potatoes
This is actually good content do more it's interesting to see God's play
Perfect profile picture you git there
@@MIDO44444 ong
@@MIDO44444 I know it's pretty awesome and badass if I do say so myself
thumbs up for your picture
Alpha zero am i a joke to you. Alpha zero makes all engine look like a bunch of kids playing
Stoofvlees is indeed dutch and means "beef stew". Engine could also be Belgian, that I dont know.
If yall want to pronounce it like a dutch person say stoof, with an "o" as in low. And say vlees with an "a" as in Angel, aaaangel.
Or dont I really like wrong pronounciations as well but in case you wanted to here ya go
Stoofvlees is een vlaams gerecht
engine made by a Belgian Woman. And typically flemish dish.
"Unlike humans who have a bloodlust for checkmate"
I've never felt more see in my life
6:59 "buT ThiS! ThiS Is nOT a tHIng! NOt aT aLL!"
-Levi 2022
Levy: OBVIOUSLY opening the lines of attack
Me: I always play b3
You should do another one with 5 best moves AGAINST stockfish. Or did you already do it?
They dont exist, zero end game, best you can do is draw, ive only won against CPU 3200 once with a kadas
you can watch the alphazero vs stockfish video, it got crushed
@@nissansucc5486 lol yeah againist weak stockfish 8 😂
@@furkankarakaya26 nope bro.
@@showmicacharjee9859 ok :D
Really love your computer chess videos. I learn a lot from then and would like to see more of computer chess rournaments
Owned all of your courses for a while, please make a video on how to use the videos & the PGNs to study. I have gotten very little from $300+ worth of courses and it's not bc of a lack of trying. You say review these lines, what does that mean practically? Thank you.
Hey levi I just realised, stockfish saved 2or3 moves by playing Rc1 and then walking king to b1... by removing queen and long castling in traditional way and then playing Kb1 and Rc1 is 2moves slower.. engines are insane
Levy please please please please, make this videos a regular series. Most bonkers ideas by machines or something like that.... I find myself enjoying these kinds of videos a ton despite barely understanding anything.
I really enjoyed this video. Thanks Levy.
The name Stoofvlees always cracks me up (beef stew). Btw stoof is pronounced like boat and vlees like hail. So Stoafvlais kind of phonetically... Good luck :)
To me it always reminds me of the time Craig Ferguson was told about the word around ten years ago and it became a running gag for a full episode. It's at the start of the "Some bits of Craig Ferguson cracking up!" compilation.
When this video was titled about Stockfish’s craziest openings
That first game felt like it was a deja-vu
It's probably because you already saw van Foreest copying this very idea.
I'm grateful that you release content on a daily basis Levy. Seriously I cannot imagine the amount of work you put in but damn, it feels good when I see a new video with a crazy thumbnail popping in my recommandations. Your iroquois and your mustache are the alpha and omega of the chess world.
I've been watching most of your videos for quite some time, and for some reason this one was the most enjoyable ever.
I'm glad you know the Dutch-speaking Belgians are Flemish. Stoofvlees is a word for a really delicous dish around here. It comes from stoof (=like a stove) and vlees (=meat). I'm sure it looks disgusting if you don't know it buts it's really good.
21:39 "Bishop E7 and try to castle" LOL
I didn't like that the other Chess AI battles used established openings then saw who was strongest. I want to see a completely novel opening that supercomputers come up with that changes chess forever
Do you still get hate?
But then you would just get one game out of every pair of engines. Also not sure if it would result in something to novel.
@@barackobamafanclub9954 yes. The Pokemon community only gets more and more toxic
If you don't feed it some opening moves they will play the same openings they deem best all the time and you wouldn't see these new ideas.
I don't remember but I think engines tend to play berlin as the first variation
Probably Ruy López is everything we would ever see
Stoofvlees is indeed Flemish/Dutch, I don't know for sure it's also called like that in the Netherlands, but in Flanders that's what we call beef stew
This stockfish guy should play in tournaments tbh
Sometimes he secretly does but when everybody finds out they ban him sad life and so unfair wtf sadge :(
It's so amazing seeing chess still being explored like this.
Yeah you would think they have it down by now...
I actually wonder how different chess would be if computer prep wasn't as good as it is today. I sort of wish I could peek into a different universe to see how openings would look like if people got to refute new ideas by themselves.
Well, you only need to peek into the entire 20th century 🙂
Chess has been played without computers forever.
@@AlexDingsYea, but he would've wanted to see how modern chess would've changed "naturally" by humans in the 21st century, if there weren't computers more powerful than humans.
I like how I immediately recognized the Jorden van Foreest game as soon as Kd2 was played.
Love the exposure you're giving engines and their incredible ideas that GMs are putting into practice these days! Totally get that it's niche audience content to some extent, but every now and then (as you do) it's appreciated. I don't see this from Antonio (except once or twice years ago) and Kingcrusher loved Leela content only because he hates Stockfish and thought she'd de-throne it, and when SF incorporated NN tech from some clever shogi programmers (ironically, not from Alpha Zero papers like Leela's modeled after) - that's when SF took off like a rocket ship in elo and crushed Leela. So glad to see the inspiration behind so many GM games gets the light of day from a big content creator - couldn't ask for a better one too!
I fell off of chess for like almost a year and this is the first Gothamchess video I’m watching since mid-2021… I’m so glad Levy’s freak-outs at insane things done on chessboards are still as funny as ever 😂
I love how Levy is just so angry yet impressed at these completely bonkers engine lines. 😂
been playing 4 months. Level 500 rapid. Love your work Levy. keep it up dude. I really enjoy these
“It’s never to early to lose the game…YOU would know something about this!” Lmao 🤣
Best chess commentary ever!!!
Love this topic for a video, as a Benoni player that last game was fascinating, I love seeing engines play openings I care about, it makes me feel like the theory is really alive. great stuff.
In the third game: 12:35
In the fourth game: 20:18
The first four ideas were very specific ideas supported by tactics in the background. The last one was more positional. It brings a lot of doubt into black’s position if white can just absorb black’s queenside counterplay.
honestly, at this point Stockfish is just meming on us.
Sure as God does look like it
24:05 Bro wtf is that rook shuffle what? I'm suprised Levy missed that
Magnus: I am 2860 Elo, and perhaps the best in chess!
Stockfish: Hold my Fish.
4:00
Get castled and finish development
Human, Qc2,0-0-0,Kb1
Stockfish, king goes brrrrrrr
Levy: no human in history will play Kc2 Kb1
Meanwhile Jorden:
12:19 This is one of the time when Levy legit sounds like an unconscious rapper 🤘
chess is the perfect game. no updates in like 2000 years and it still has more players than the population of the us
The rules of chess have changed a lot within the last 2000 years. Try more like 200 years.
@@JezreM i meant to type 200 years but my keyboard is kinda messed up cause i spilled juice on it so it added the extraa zero and i was just too lazy to go back and change it afterwards
I am a ICCF Grand Master, so to understand engines, you must do the following method
You must analyse (What are the 4 best moves ?)
Then you think what are the 4 best responses of the other side to each move ?
Then you self analysis which position will give your oponent less activity, less playable options, then you understand the engine plays.
If you use this technique, no kidding, you can find all engine strong moves of the opening and (simple) middlegames
On game 1 those king moves were also complete logical, because any pawn break to try to explore the white king would result in material gain for white
That’s actually very true when we think about it. If there is no specific way of breaking through for black and as white you gotta consolidate a little bit more to get a nicer position, the king moves make more sense now.
Cuz I imagine playing a slightly different way like castling or moving the queen w.e. would alternate the position too much and it could give black some attacking chances.
Moving the king was perfectly reasonable because there was no direct way for both sides tbh.
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Stockfish pulling out some advanced bongcloud shinanigans against another engine. What a legend
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I am just a lowly 1000 elo player but maybe not moving the queen out because it opens white up to lose tempi while black can pressure whatever square the queen moves to delaying the castle while black gets to set up their position
I'm not a good chess player, by any means, but here's my two cents on Stockfish king moves:
If the goal is to get king on b1, rook on c1, and queen on d1, doing it by moving the rook to c1 and then walking the king to b1 takes one less move than moving the queen and castling.
Ignoring black's moves, it's "Rc1 Kd2 Kc2 Kb1" against "Qd2 O-O-O Kb1 Rc1 Qd1". Stockfish wants those specific pieces in those specific squares, and doing it without castling is faster.
Edit: okay, I see Stockfish plays Qd2, but in this cases both sequences of moves are equally as long, so it just doesn't matter if it's done with castling or not. Why the rook needs to be on c1, though, is something only Stockfish can answer.
That king move adventure:
I have never played or studied chess-but one thing that comes to mind is backgammon thinking: there’s is a timing to everything. In chess people are always talking about tempos, you don’t want to waste moves/time etc…but what if sometimes you *do* want to waste moves? Maybe just by overadvancing your pawns you can spoil your own position? So you need to have a slow positioning?
That second variation I actually play myself, was so cool to see you feature it! Very fun line, especially in classical because you have much more time to think on cool tactics for mate
25:07 somewhere out there Eric Rosen squeals in delight
Bobby played those multiple king moves at the beginning once or twice
6:24
Van Foreest took it personally
26:13 I thought he was going to say "Leela and Stitch" 😂
3:39 *"I'm out here trying to teach beginners not to make multiple piece moves in the opening, castle early and then stockfish here is like 'I'm the best thing that ever existed...' "*
😆😅🤣😂🤣😁😆😂😅😆😂😆😁😅😁😂
maybe part of the reason 3 king moves is good is because it forces black to move in a closed position where there may be no good offensive or defensive moves? idk
Respect to the chad who called their engine ‘stoofvlees’
3:24 I was thinking that Stockfish would short castle as the insane move.
19:08 Was thought to be legitimately impossible*
At around 2:50 the walking king, I believe, is not to be analyzed as it ends up at B1, rather that each step causes the opponent side to make (predictable) responsive moves . . . and this is what stockfish "wanted." If the opponent side uses historical chess game information to inform it's game, then that comp is as confused as we are confused/surprised. I think the computer is being funny.
(i had this one bit comment, this video is an entertaining/info 33:45 of interestingness of deep human chess and chessycomputer analysis.)
2:12
I remember in this position white played Kd2 in yesterday's video.
Stoofvlees is a Belgian dish. It's meat cooked for ages in a dark beer sauce.
Together with fries it's one of the most delicious things in the world.
well for game 5 i think the general "idea" is that a castled king side is a pretty strong defense so attacking on the queen side is better. just that it's hard when black already established an attack on the queen side and even harder when your own attack was focused on kingside/center.
When it’s Stockfish: GENIUS PIECE SACRIFICE
When it’s me: BLUNDERED A FULL PIECE