What's on these GENESIS floppy discs?
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- This was a very special opportunity indeed, and I really hope you enjoy it.
In a nutshell, I got hold of an E-mu SP-12 from the 80s and then discovered that a friend, Andrew Ward, has some of Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford's original floppy discs for it that are part of his Genesis equipment collection.
Chris Poacher leant us a floppy drive and I fired up the discs, possibly for the first time in over 30 years. In this video, we find out what I discovered!
0:00 Intro
1:01 Extracting the sounds
1:46 Phil Collins custom samples
3:40 Phil Collins song data
4:14 It's alive!
6:24 Mike + The Mechanics custom samples
7:55 Bonus Sounds
8:28 Summary
9:20 Fake Genesis Jam
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Chris Poacher: / cpmagneticmedia
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// UPDATE //
"Can I have the samples?"
I've now had an official answer and it's a very clear "no".
However, numerous people have pointed out that these are possibly all stock E-mu sounds that the band compiled on disks for convenience.
So, the solution is to go and buy this SP-12 library that Beat Machine released 10 years ago, because it contains most (if not all) of these samples. You just have to trawl through and find them.
beatmachine.co.uk/drum-packs.html
so I guess the only way out is to do it '80s style and sample all the one shots you kindly provided in this video into my Akai
Honestly Alex. I REALLY liked the 'Fake Genesis Jam'. Any chance of seeing a full vid of a longer version of it??? Pretty please???? Great video as always mate 🤟
That is a bummer but totally understandable. This was so cool to hear and see. Well done!
I will buy them sample pack $$$
@@Janomix Copyright isn't removed by changing the name.
If only.
Samples from 1896. Genesis were definitely ahead of their time.
I can't imagine Phil wouldn't like to do an interview to explain and share his stories about these disks.
That would be superb - for all the stick he’s got over the years, he was a phenomenal drummer in his prime!
Every key hit sparks a PC earworm
Would love to hear his stories. Such an awesome talent.
Unfortunately, I understand Phil's not in the best of health these days and he probably wouldn't be able to do an interview.
Fascinating stuff.
Three of the first four sounds on the Phil Collins disk are on his songs "Sussudio" and "Don't Lose My Number." 😻
I think that gated snare at about 1:57 can also be heard at the beginning of Land of Confusion, if I'm not mistaken.
@@herbcraven7146 yes those sounds were definitely from Land Of Confusion - instantly recognizable.
Yeah, the snare clap is Sussudio. I think the first gated snare is the main snare in Land of Confusion, and pointed out, those two snares on the same disk is in the intro to Land of Confusion. Crazy to have the custom sounds to those huge hits in your hand.
You can remake "the brazillian" out of it
@@RhythmDeli The Brazilian consists of Simmons SDSV and SDS7 sounds (same for the middle section of Tonight Tonight Tonight).
How many others went "ahhh" The same time as Alex did when he played that gated snare? I know I did 😂😂
(edit) Land Of Confusion!
Those drums are the ones on Sussudio I’m sure.
hell Yes... several times
@@TheMrMarkWthat was my first thought
Iconic, right???
I was shocked, shocked I tell you to discover that a disk full of Genesis samples was full of pure 80s gated snare fabulousness
It's fascinating that the first samples were written to disc a mere 25 years after the London Underground started operations.
The diskette with Phil's drum sounds clearly contains sampled drums from Sussudio (No Jacket Required). What a cool find! Thanks for sharing.
That come to my mind immediately!
100% As soon as I heard that snare.
exactly sussudio was also my instant thought.
yep, its right there clear as day when you chuck on No Jacket Required. You could actually sample the kick and snare nearly from the album as the drums are solo at the start of Sussudio
i'm getting strong invisible touch vibes as well (1986), but i know that was a linn drum on some of of the tunes
Lovely! that SP12 clap/snare combo sounds just like the intro to Sussudio ! 🤓
I almost started singing it, it was bang on the mark
Nice to have Susan Sudio in the studio.
Lol! I posted the same comment. Great minds...
The first kick and clap are from Sussudio 😁
Cheers! Gonna check and confirm.
The fake genesis jam is actually pretty dam good! if you could take that back into the past, it would fit perfectly!
I hope Phil & Mike and whoever else was involved with these samples get a chance to see this, I am sure it will bring back a flood of memories and a smile
I'm secretly hoping that Mike sees it and can't believe that someone is still using an ARP Avatar.
@@AlexBallMusic I'll have it back if you don't appreciate it, Alex!
@@MisAnnThorpe Got the entire thing working now and it took years to sort. It's staying.
I should tell the story of carrying it home on several trains and a bus at some point. I had no idea it was so huge until I turned up at yours. 😄
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@@AlexBallMusic Yes, Alex, and you should tell the story of the synth you won on Ebay that arrived without ANY protective packaging whatsoever, just a label with your name and address on it. That one takes some beating! I thought you were good to go once you'd tracked (see what I did there?!) down the ARP pickup? I genuinely had no idea that there were any other problems. I'm VERY sorry to hear that. Regarding your struggle to get the Avatar home: just last Sunday night, I had to lug an MS20 back from Carshalton. It's less than three miles away but with the humidity, it nearly killed me! I had erroneously thought/hoped that my original "real" leatherette carry case for my MS10 would be perfect. . . let's just say it wasn't.
Those drum samples on the Phil Collins disk are awesome. You could create a convincing Falco album just with those and some German :)
Wow. Imagine owning Tony's JD-800, with his freaking PATCHES still in it. This is a super, super cool video. Those drum sounds! Takes me back. Actually I still listen to some Genesis today. Duke is my fave album.
Duke is a stellar album
The Tom at 7.39 was a popular SP-12 sample library one that was used a lot by Peter Van Hooke (the drummer in Mike and the Mechanics) . I've used it for that ridiculous 80s vibe in the past. It's all over the Mexico 86 ITV World cup theme - "Aztec Gold" by Silsoe, who were : Rod Argent and Peter Van Hooke :)
Cheers! I knew the answers would all come in the comments section.
@@AlexBallMusic The irony of people getting excited about ripping them (yawn) and throwing shade at you for 'not sharing' is that is they are ALL there on various E-mu libraries publicly and openly and have been since the early 1980s and yes, I had to buy them so there is a copyright issue which you were correct about but it lies with E-mu most likely (now Creative Technology) . I've been using the kick and snare and gated tom in songs for decades. . As was the case with many artists at that time, you shared disks of curated selections from 1000s of sounds for sessions and live gigs to give to producers and collaborators etc.
Mexico 86 was the first world Cup I was able to follow being about 7 years old and I still adore the Aztec Gold theme.
Intentionally or not, you review everything with your face. This is why I enjoy your channel.
I can safely say as a big Genesis fan, if there was a whole album (hypothetically speaking of course) of fake Genesis jams like the masterpiece you came up with on this video, it'd be my favourite new release in a long time. Awesome jam! 🤟😎
The problem with samplers in the 80s was that solid state computer memory was expensive and not as compact as it is now, so that is why you only get a few seconds of sample time on those machines. In the 21st century, solid state memory and hard disk space are unlimited, so the whole project is done digitally. Back in the 80s, you didn't have all the memory and storage space you have now, so recording was done on analog tape, and sampled sounds had to be recorded on tape in real time.
Not for that model but i seem to remember that a 32kb memory upgrade was £79.99 .....
@@hazard3020 what is that in $USD? Since drum sounds are only a split second in length, you can fit a number of them in 32K.
My favorite thing about this channel is it's just Alex doing what he loves. A dude, some synths, and hella jams. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you!
Man, I've had all those samples on my computer since the 90's. Weird how they get passed around.
the song at the end was so cool! the keyboard has a very 80's vibe
I really hope those floppies are backed up!
80’s Genesis, Phil Collins, and Mike + The Mechanics are some of those bands where you don’t realize how much they were the soundtrack to your youth until you hear something like this. Then you realize how familiar these sounds are to you and your mind is blown.
I have an Emulator 3 with an external CD Rom drive. And on one of the CDs there're exactly these Drum sounds, also in the same order.
Really?!
What's the name of the CD?
If you search TH-cam for "Emu Kyodai rock" you can hear most/all of them again. I'm pretty sure Depeche Mode bought and used the same discs. (It has some pretty silly guitar samples too that remind me of my old Yamaha PSS keyboard's woeful attempt at sounding like an Emulator).
All of these samples are included in EII and E-max libraries, some of them were used by Depeche mode in "Music for the mases" album
So much music history in one floppy disc! Not just Genesis, but Phil Collins and Mike + The Mechanics as well! What a find! You must be feeling like sitting on a beach of gold 😉
And when you sit over a beach of gold you don't live a beggar's life for sure.
Man, that's even more 80's than the Kawaii Industrial roms!
This content is just so awesome. Who would have known nearly 40 years later, a guy would be listening to and playing samples that were just as likely to have never seen the light of day again after being stored? Glad these legendary bands never got rid of anything.
Yep! Really amazing to get this opportunity.
I would bite my arm off for a sample pack!!! Great video. I’m a huge Banks, Collins Rutherford fan and often find myself trying to reconstruct their sounds in my DAW. You lucky, lucky b….
I was actually thinking it would be funny if he didn't do sample pack because he obviously would but then he didn't
Maybe the chap he borrowed them off said not to
If you're that eager, just download the video and edit out the samples from the video audio. The original sounds are only 12-bit 27kHz anyway.
@@toi_techno We're investigating different options / possibilities... 👍😀
@@bosonbreeder haha I did consider it!
@@ardvrech I'm not usually into 80s sounds, but these, if they're punchy as in this video... not ultra versatile, but they could be very fun to have around.
Wow Phil Colin's personal sounds, that crazy, the guys a legend great music and timeless songs.
That entire drum sequence bit from the Phil Collins SP-12 practically had me in tears, I'm into old machines and I've just found a machine with a floppy drive unit, if i found something like that, and it was that groovy and confusing I would have the exact same reaction, fantastic content as always Alex! :)
That Genesis playout was excellent! If you made a whole album of that sort of stuff, I'd buy it.
I agree fully! Awesome stuff!
I’d buy that album!!! Can we get twelve tracks of that goodness???
Phil Collins , Mike Rutherford, and Tony Banks are sound design geniuses. They were putting together some cutting edge stuff back in the day.
Holy crap, that drum sequencing was fantastic! I wonder how long that would've taken. SURELY it would've been done via MIDI at that point to save pulling your own teeth out.
Ending song is freaking stellar, BTW.
You can step program, so some lunatic may well have sat there punching that in.
@@AlexBallMusic Yep! . . Those were the days .... the norm.
I'd like to think that the Philmeister General would have played those patterns from his MIDI'd up Simmons kit into the SP-12, especially the more complex bits
All the stuff on the record sounds to quantized and pro to be placed live. Def midi
Awesome stuff. The first snare sounds like what was used on Land of Confusion. Watch out you don't get drum programmers neck - it's a serious condition you know.
For the love of god please tell me that these discs and the patches on those synths have been backed up.
Thanks, a number of people are giving me suggestions, so I'll listen in with samples at hand and find the answers.
Backup - couldn't be bothered. I also keep waving magnets near the disks and drives and pouring water on them.
@@AlexBallMusic Understandable, have a nice day.
Seriously though, I know it's a bit of a silly thing to ask, but you really do see some collectors who refuse to back something up because they want to have the only copy. It's pants on head silly thinking, but it really is a mindset. Not implying that it's the thought process of you or the owner of this gear, but as someone who works in I.T, I have an automatic urge to tell people to back things up. That goes for anyone else reading this comment too. Yes, YOU, random TH-cam comment reader. Back your files up already.
The first sounds of the video are from Phil's Sussudio!
In my stu-stu-studio!
That jam at the end sounded more like Mike + The Mechanics than Genesis, especially with the guitars. Like a outtake from the "Living Years" album.
Yeah... not enough complicated Banksian chords and pads
Sounds like a Genesis cover of Changes by Yes. Not a bad thing!
The best part of your videos is watching you play the bass at the end. You always have so much fun.
I'm confident the snare/clap at 01:58 is a standard E-MU sample. I remember having it on a factory disc for the EMAX. Even used it in a song or two.
many of these are library sounds.
@@DJDrinks I'm sure I heard that delay snare somewhere that isn't Genesus as well. But can't remember where.
Sussudio!
Reminds me of how we used to program drum machines back in '86. It's a whole different thing when you used a drum machine sequencer to program patterns. We used to use the TR-505.
My god I hope there’s a backup of those disks. Would be insanity not to
This! Please pretty please make sure that this gets archived properly.
I've stored a few in a box of magnets, some more in the freezer and I folded a few in half and put them down the side of the sofa.
In safe hands.
@@AlexBallMusic Love you work sir!
@@AlexBallMusic You do know that there's a _"right"_ way to fold 5¼" floppy discs, yes?
@@AlexBallMusic don't forget to iron out the crease of the folded ones.
There is something magical about knowing that these sounds, these exact sounds were used by Phil and Mike. It's like holding the original building blocks to a piece of history. I am also extremely impressed that the data on the floppy discs hasn't yet degraded.
Thank you!
The 'whip-a-like' sound is probably used in 'I can't dance' snare
The first kickdrum and the snareclap at 1:59 are from sussudio (i really love that snare). The snare is from the E-mu library. It's on the SP1200 library disk 'ZD603 Kyodai Rock' named 'snare6' (at least on the samplepack I dled) 'snare7' on that disk is the snare Phil used in Don't loose my number'.
the gated tom at 2:24 is probably used in 'In the air tonight' (the big tom fill)
As a huge fan of Genesis I can't thank you enough for this. Insanely interesting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
6:50 thanks for this prompt. This is a song I don't think I've listened to on relatively good audio equipment before. Usually it's just in my shitbox car with a garbage stereo, but sitting here with my decent-ish stuff this song sounds glorious. My god. It's breathtaking. Dear lord, that modulation, get out of here. Makes my hair stand on end it's so good. Now I'm listening to Silent Running and it's just gorgeous. God I love this.
Really interesting, it's a part of music history. :) Sussudio samples great. :D The E-mu part sounds like a breakdance track. :D
Sounds phenomenal with that last mix.
I love and miss the 80's more after watching that 😢❤😎👍
This is completely awesome. And "Taken In" is one of my favorite lost songs of the 80s.
yes im a genessis nut .my dad is a drummer , when i was young he bought a cd player . and showed me that 80s sound , this is amazing content by the way😍 ,rightly the samples are copyrighted but preserve them PLEASE 🤔megnitic media is not safe anymore😤
wen i saw a drummer change on a genisis concert video 20 years ago i got beat mixing audio .if the tempo is set the same .kicks blend into each other .this is what the tempo slider is for on a turn table .THE AMPLITUDE INCREASES BY ABOUT 20 % this is hard to do with 50 year old ears
there was a track on one album that was all synth instrumantal it was almost hard trance .THE Brizillian.I think that was what is was called Maybe .this has inspired me to try and make music .i went and did a vocational music Tuition Course . NEED OF UNDERSTANDING is Powerfull stuff
THANKS Alex
its Key i dont get .but capturing the output of my tracks at hard core bpm speed .and then pitching the track down WORKS
outro jam is top notch
Well that was incredible. I wonder how Phil would feel knowing you were fondling his samples? I hope someone somewhere has transferred those samples to a longer lasting medium.
well 40 years is not bad for a floppy disk! im blown away that they loaded to be honest
A least one of the snare sounds was transferred to a longer lasting medium. It's called the 'No Jacket Required' album, available in your local record store since February 1985.
So much fun. Recognise some of the first batch of samples from "Land of Confusion" - and probably te rest of the Invisible Touch album as well, which would be spot on for the year.
His reaction to the Drum sequences, pure gold! 😂 😮🤨😂
So amazing that it works!
@@AlexBallMusicthere were some seriously fat breaks in there. I'd be surprised if this video doesn't get sampled for some underground hip-hop
4:45 Wait. Do we have a headbanging Keyboarder here?😂 anyways, thanks for your so valueables efforts in archeologic music recovery, Alex 🎉 love it!
The orchestra stab must be included in every track from this era, it is 80s law!!
Genesis were the first band I truly obsessed over in my youth. They were the gateway to everything for me. I listen to music and write music because of them. So excited to see this. Thanks for this video and for all of your continued excellent work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Always interesting doing a bit of synth archaeology! Couple of points though; the SP-12 doesn't have internal eproms like the Linndrum. Whilst the SP-12 (unlike the SP-1200) has internal sounds, these were stored in ROM and were not swappable. Secondly, a number of the samples you play first are from the Emu factory library that were sold as separate disks.
Cheers for the info.
Very interesting!
The sound ROM are socketed and can be replaced with EPROM. It's a bit complicated to make these since the 12 bits are weirdly distributed between the ROM.
But you are right that this was most likely not intended by E-Mu. I'm not aware of any aftermarket chips for the SP-12.
Those sequences around 5:00 and onwards reminds me of the "Do the Neurotic"-sequence that plays at the beginning of the song. Not necessarily the sounds and rhythms themselves, but the behavior of the sequencer in terms of dynamics and such.
Fake Genesis Jam is fire!! Hope you'll release it. Thank you for the great vid, Alex.
The funny thing is I’ve got the sample pack of the factory SP1200 sounds and there’s a bank in there called “Kyodai Rock” containing a number of sounds you played in this video, so I’d assume that Emu sampled a lot of the Phil sounds off the original records.
And if you move to sound banks called “Latin” and “Traps” there are a clave and tambourine sound used by Phil on the But Seriously and We Can’t Dance records. I think PC also alluded to this in the 808 interview saying that (paraphrased) “they sampled what they thought is me but it’s actually just a drum machine running through a reverb”
Incredible sounds! All my teenage years were in the 80s!
Interesting disks! But a lot of those sounds are probably taken from other Emu disks and just mixed to their own liking in order to write and fit sequences. Only a few sounds sound like they were custom samples of Phil's own drumkits.
It was my understanding that Phil used the SP12 mostly as a writing tool but that a lot of it did not end up on his solo records (or the Invisible Touch record). He started using the SP1200 after But Seriously I think. Not only for writing, but also to perform the duty of playing all sequences (instead of relying on 5 different drummachines) and also as a trigger machine for his drum triggers (to trigger Simmons sounds). I think all drummachine grooves on We can't dance are SP1200. Those custom sounds he triggers are not included in here. It's also known that Phil bought library disks. One of the examples being "Hip hop brushes" as those sounds formed the basis for the song "Living Forever".
Also not included here it seems are the sounds used by Chester Thompson (not sure if he ever used the SP12 with Collins or Genesis. He did use the Dynacord ADD TWO for But seriously and We can't dance). Tony also has drumsounds in his Emulator. He triggers a few during Domino. Always was curious how compatible Emulator II sounds were with the Emu SP series (and vice versa) .
That said, the Emulator library (either from Emu or third parties) sampled a lot of those Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel sounds. I've encountered those sounds from Don't lose my number, I don'\t care anymore, In the air tonight, Sussudio, Rythm of the heat, I've got the touch, Intruder, Lay your hands on me, and I probably left some out, in so many of the Emu sample collections along with just the regular roster of TR808, TR909, Linndrum, CR78, DMX, and Simmons SDS samples. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their sounds (like the first ones you trigger which are from Don't lose my number and Sussudio) on these disks are also from third-parties who basically did the work of sampling those sounds and the guys figured that buying them for a small fee is much less hassle than sampling and compiling those sounds themselves. Most of the sounds we know from Phil/Genesis songs included in this demo never originated from the SP12 so it's all work done "after the fact". Btw, surprised these disks are still in good readable shape after a few decades.
The end song is MAGNIFICENT!
Absolutely epic! That outro should've been on We Can't Dance... 👍😍❤💯
Thanks Lady Luck.
Oh wait, it's not the weekend.
What an absolute gem. I really hope the samples can be shared some day. Grats and thanks!
That first gated snare sounds like the beginning of land of confusion, nice!
...got so well beamed back to the 80`s, thanks for that!
Those first drums from Phil's disk sure sound like the Sussudio to me.
exactly my first reaction too
Only bassdrum.
The mix on the out tune was superb Alex! I miss those days....
Cheers!
The look of joy in your face says it all!
If you want these sounds (or at least very similar), check out the “Ultra 80s” drum libraries by Zenhiser. They’ve got a lot of the same sounds.
Right out of the Land of Confusion on those Phil samples.
My favorite music youtuber talking about my favorite band???? Is this a dream? Too good to be true...
1:46 That drum samples were used in Phil's "Sussudio" drum track! I recognized the similarity of the sounds.
Yay! I love this sort of thing! I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but I think a bunch of the Phil Collins sounds were part of the Mirage library. I had them back in the day. Used them on a bunch of my own songs. I used to use that gated snare layered with my TR 707 because I didn’t own a proper reverb unit. Fun times!
Incredibly interesting. I love the "random" output of one sample set and one sequence set without knowing how they were originally intended to pair. I guess bands grow/progress so much that they don't care anymore, but I also find it surprising this stuff's not in the artists' possession.
Most likely has copies of them on at least one PC & a flash-drive for safe keeping!
I was hoping someone would recognise the pattern and say "This was used for a one-off performance in the Bulgarian version of the Brit Awards in 1988", or something like that, and then link to a TH-cam video of it. I'd guess that at least a couple of the discs were used for later performances of songs that had already been released (rather than in the compositional process), and the discs were used for "playback" in a live context.
Great that the discs are still readible.
Guitar face at the end says it all really 😄
The one at the lower right reminded me of Jimmy Page with Led Zeppelin at Knebwirth 1979 video on TH-cam. Stairway to Heaven solo. 😂
I was looking forward to having some of those sounds come together and I was not at all disappointed. Lovely stuff and captured that period of Genesis pretty well, I think.
Amazing! Made even better by the high-quality "aw, that's filthy" face.
Orchestra hits instantly make everything a solid 10/10
I had one of the four SP 12 ex Phil Collins world tour units. It had switchable 110v-230v power on a little rocker switch on the rear panel.
I didn’t know it at the time but was informed some years after I sold it.
This is a really good video
Makes me think of Genesis a bit differently
A rare case of where having all the gear did actually make you sound just like the artist. We know the secret is in your fingers still of course. All it needed was a Phil Collins soundalike singer and that easily have been a lost track from their Abacab era.
It's amusing that Depeche Mode and hundreds of other bands used the same E-mu sample libraries and didn't sound quite like Genesis.
The whole video is awesome... but the final "Genesis jam" is pure gold! 🤩
Yet another amazing video Alex!!!!
👍🎹🎹🎹
Cheers!
Genesis have got alot of flack particularly for their later output but they really were one of the most creative and innovative bands of their era imo
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
@@dielaughing73does a bear etc? The News are amazing.
Also, Peter Gabriel. His solo work is what got me into Genesis, funnily enough.
Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when 'Sports' came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
5:52 Longest review-with-your-face ever. You're spoiling us!
You are correct sir, that WAS absolutely fascinating. Cheers Alex.
Love me some "Drum Phil Collins".
What an absolute treasure, this was amazing! As everyone says in the comments, please make sure to make images of those disks and if at all possible, pretty please make a sample pack!
Not possible. He'd be sued by Concord Music Group and you don't want to mess with them. In fact, he may yet get a cease and desist order for this video.
This is fantastic in every way! Thanks for sharing, Alex!
This is a gem ! And you're jam is so great ! Really digging it... can't wait to see what's next with these treasures
What a wonderful find! That Collins sequence was amazing. I am proud to say I knew the song at 6:32 before you told us. :)
"all I neeeeeeed is you"
Fantastic ❤ I recognize so many of them and I have a few of them on my Emulator II library!
Sussudio heaven that kick and snare at the start 😮im just blown away by the provenance Alex…I remember buying invisible touch as my first album at 18 on CD love this ❤😊
Best video I've seen in months! Love that jam at the end, great stuff Alex!
Not a big fan of 80s samples but that's some seriously wicked 80s drum programming there in those sequences. Nice bit of Genesis treasure, for sure.
Yeah, those cats could program back in the day!
oh nice, even Geert will like these! Always liked Genesis, and great to see their gear and sounds being shown off :-) Senk Joo!
Ken Danger would be all over these too